Ask Dr. Drew - Data Republican: She Exposed Billions In NGO Fraud, Now She’s A Target w/ Larry Elder – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 664

Episode Date: September 11, 2026

Jennica Pounds, AKA Data Republican, built an open-source platform that gave Americans searchable access to billions of dollars in federal grant spending. The discovery was explosive: while Americans struggle to make a living, their government is wasting billions of dollars on fraud and overseas NGOs. But the exposure angered her targets, who stand to lose multimillion dollar money trains. After her research went viral, Pounds says she was doxxed and harassed – and now the media is attempting to divert attention from her research and focus the story on her instead. “Why are the world’s most generous people financially abused by their own government?” she asks in her upcoming book UNELECTED, which traces $200 billion sent to Ukraine, $50 billion a year to USAID, and $9 billion for refugee resettlement back to what she calls the NGO-Administrative Complex. Jennica joins Dr. Drew to walk through where that money actually lands, the federal departments and NGOs that move it, and why she says it’s linked to a “centuries-old ideology called supranationalism.” Jennica is deaf and appears with the assistance of her interpreter, Terrill Corletto. Also on today’s show: Larry Elder, talk radio host, former presidential candidate, and author of As Goes California: My Mission to Rescue the Golden State, joins Dr. Drew to discuss California’s governor’s race. Jennica Pounds is a software engineer and data analyst known online as DataRepublican. A former Big Tech engineer, she rose to prominence in 2025 after her spending research went viral. Follow at https://x.com/DataRepublican Larry Elder is a talk radio host, attorney, and a former presidential candidate. He is the author of several books including As Goes California: My Mission to Rescue the Golden State and Save the Nation. Follow at https://x.com/larryelder 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • BIOPRO - BioPro+® is a natural formula of growth factors and peptides that support how you look, feel & perform. Learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/biopro⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right. Very interesting show today. I don't know. I know all of you don't get to see that Charlie, the lead in video we put up. But seeing Charlie Kirk, it actually makes the sort of the tear on the back of my neck stand up. It's such a traumatic time of year here. I didn't realize that the two 9-11 and a anniversary and the assassination of Charlie Kirk would have such sort of dramatic emotional impact. But it really has. And he was saying something. profound in this video, which was, we need to, I'm going to adopt this. I didn't remember that part of the interview we did a couple years ago now, which was we need to focus on things that are good for their own sake. That is really a very profound statement and something that needs to be explored further. And I, I pledge that I shall do so, Charlie. Okay, today we're joined by Jenica Pounds, also known as Data Republican, open source platform that gave Americans search access to billions of dollars in federal grant spending. Her findings were explosive.

Recently, there was a Nigerian chief who billed Medicare for over $30 million in fraud, suspected, alleged fraud, allegedly using the funds to build a palace. And her targets now these days are angry because she is messing with their money. Follow the money, everybody. She's been doxed and harassed. Now the media is diverting attention. She's written a new book. It is called Unelected.

It releases on October 3rd. Pre-record pre-order now. Also, you can follow her on X. It is Data Republican. And then we'll be followed with Larry Elder. Of course, Larry is a talk show host, former presidential candidate. His book is As Goes California. Little did we know how prescient that title would be.

He knew. I did not. He's got many things. I always get to press when I talk to Larry, but he spits the truth. Follow him on X. It is merely Larry Elder. be back with my guest right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre.

The psychopaths start this right. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for, I say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals.

Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Lovelin all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent. and to treat you have trouble you can't stop and you want to help stop it i can help i got a lot to say i got a lot more to say nica pounds is a software engineer and data analyst known online simply is at data republican where she can find her on x using open source tools to expose spending patterns inside our federal government her platform gave the public access to billions in federal grants And she drew national attention after exposing bureaucratic waste.

Imagine that. She is a former big tech engineer, Utah small business owner. She rose to prominence in 2025 after her research went viral. Again, to follow her data Republican. You can also find her substack, also Data Republican. And the book, The book is Unelected, How You Paid a Sinister Elite to Take Over America. I think amongst other things COVID has opened up the Overton window a bit to all of us to understand how true that statement is. Genica is deaf and she has an interpreter, Terrell with her, and Terrell will be the voice of Jenica.

While you hear me speaking to Jenica, it will be Terrell who you see there next to Jenica. Genica, welcome. Yes, nice to meet you. Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. So this is going to be fun. First of all, let's get into the book. Tell us about that.

Oh, yes, of course. Honestly, you know, I wrote the book at the end of the year because I wanted to try to join the Doge group. But then that kind of blew up, you know. It was a big mess. It was very complicated. And I noticed looking back that all the protesters

are financed by NGOs. So I really started diving into that research and that's what brought up this book. I really wanted to figure out why so many people are trying to destroy my family and the Doge family and everything. It's really interesting. So when it comes,

I'm guessing that a lot of these things you uncovered are NGOs. Is that accurate? Oh, yes, absolutely. That's right. You know. And so my question, Jenick, I don't, I don't, I go ahead, let her finish her thought. So the way that NGOs work is they use this word called democracy, right? Not for what it means, but to just take over this word and make these organizations under the guise of building democracy when they're really in their own interests.

Right. And I feel like the open border and some of COVID expose people like me to the existence of these organizations. Two questions. How are they different than just not-for-profit charities? And the second question is, if they are different, why do we, and they seem so destructive, why do we allow them? Firstly, number one, when technically there's the same kind of nonprofit, but the word non-profit, I associate more with like hospitals and churches, but there are many, many nonprofit organizations involved, you know, more political stuff and especially things that promote and build democracy. I use the preferred term to separate churches and hospitals and things like that

from these organizations that have more political leanings and changing our policy throughout the country. And secondly, and secondly, I've been here, they've been here for years, years, years, hundreds of years, and they're hidden on a deep level. They just don't want quote of quote,

normal people tell that they're there. You know, this is a sinister underlying of society. It's a, they function at a level of power. So they stay hidden. Like when the light shines on them, they don't like that. They have more soft power when they stay obscured. Hidden, didn't. So why, my, my next question would be then, why, you know,

why can't they be combated against by another set of NGOs that are set up to push them down a bit? I believe we're actually starting to see that, but it's a very early stage of that, like very early. But I think we're starting to see that. But it's not necessarily a good way. For example, Neville Singhham, the Chinese. group, the Singham group. And there's also Muslim groups that are setting up NGOs that are combating our current NGOs. But it's really no better than the originals. So it's not always good that we're

setting up other NGOs to combat the other ones. It's so weird. Can the government do anything to go ahead, Terrell? I'm just going to say it brings in both good and bad actors. in that sense. And so as a result of writing the book, what do you worry about now? I don't know. I worry that I worry that I'm doing God a good service by sharing this information the way that he's ordered me to.

I've been called here to analyze this and I just hope that I'm serving well. Yes. If you're comfortable, how did this, does there are some, you know, sort of inspiration that happened to you? You know, around five years ago or so, well, more now. I mean, before COVID, before all this happened. I don't know. It's a really long story. But I didn't explain it in my book, Unelected, but the short version is that God called me to do something.

something public. And I didn't understand it then. And to honest with you, Drew, I am not a public person. Like, how could God expect somebody who doesn't speak a deaf woman to come and be of service on a problem that's so big? I mean, this is saving the country, right? And then it just happens that I'm always called to the truth. My goal is always the truth. And that's what happened to me. Truly, it was a miracle. I believe that it was a miracle that I can use the skills that God gave me to find all of this stuff, and it would be against him and all of his order for me not to. Is it in scriptures that they have written God works in mysterious ways? Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Really interesting. How is she using, how are you using AI now to

continue your work? Or are you worried that AI or are you worried that AI is going to be a problem? You know, I believe that, okay, number one, AI is tech that's capable of scaling intelligence, scaling all kinds of things. And I use it. That's the big thing. It's a scaler. I use it for all my work. But I don't have any, I don't have much problems with AI bias. You know, there's this big debate. But to be honest, my opinion is that it's just a tool. And I use, I use the tool for facts, right? Strictly for facts and firsthand sources. I don't ask AI to reach conclusions. I scraped all of the data that I've used and made sure it was accurate. I did not let my AI hallucinate on me to give me something weird. I'm about facts.

Got it. Speaking of which, did you see that SIOP yesterday where a employee of, I think it was anthropic, after six weeks of work left and then put an ex post out where he said that the AI providers are irresponsible and are going to, you know, there's going to be an end of the world. And then there were 125 million views and it was pushed out by multiple NGOs and multiple politicians. It just looked like a massive sciop. There it is. He was only on the job for six weeks, guys, six weeks. Yeah. And that's the other thing that's always an issue, right? When it comes to AI, everybody has something to say about it. And they all have connections to effective altruism,

right? Which is a truly sick, tyrannical philosophy. It sounds good on the surface. They want to do the best good for humanity, but they also include future decision making in that. And I think that... You know, you... Go ahead. Yeah. Sorry, in other words, if they decide that Elon is responsible for millions of deaths because of USAID, they'll consider it a moral thing to kill him, right? But the same thing happened with any other technology, cars. I mean, everybody thought automobiles were going to kill everyone in the world. Yes. Every single time there is a technology, there is a giant pushback. And there also are legitimately bad things that happen,

and we learn to adjust to it. We're still trying to adjust to our cell phones, and I don't know where that's going to end up. Let me ask you this, where I have to take a break. I think I'm going to actually break a little early, Caleb. But I want to tell you, I want to ask you this question.

When I first saw you pop up on social, media. I thought, is she playing with the words date a Republican? Or is it just strictly data Republican? Were you playing with that when you thought of that acronym or that name, screen name? Oh, honestly, I don't know. I just started doing early voting analysis with the data five years ago. So it never crossed my mind. I do have an amazing husband. I should just let everybody know.

You cannot date a Republican on data Republican. It was more I wanted. And that's why I framed it with a small R too. If you notice that, data Republicans small R. Because even though I am a Republican, I'm a conservative, grew up a Republican, I'm about the truth, right? That's why it's not important for me to be so much aligned with any type of opinion as it is to be aligned with the truth.

Isn't it weird how much, I was educated, you know, reared on the ascension to the truth. Isn't it weird how the truth has been marginalized? Doesn't that strike you? It was just so strange. Yeah, absolutely. It's a bizarre world that we're living in. And it's an epistemic bubble, really, if you think about it. Like, I think everyone lives through it to an extent, right?

has this experience. But there are times when it gets bad, when it gets really bad, when you're just feeling like you're the only same person in the world. Like for example, the Soviet Union crumbled due to the epistemic control just collapsing, right? And I think we're seeing a smaller version of that happening around us now. Yeah. And I think we have to fight it.

The Overton window is opening a little bit. but you mentioned epistemic collapsing. I mean, epistemology was the first thing they got attacked before the truth, right? Epistemology was sort of marginalized as a discipline probably 20 years ago. And then virtue ethics, then they were marginalized.

And here we go. And now everything is qualified. Yep, exactly. And absolutely. It's very, it's a bizarre experience. Like I said, I think everybody goes through it to a certain extent. But the way that we're all connected, right, with AI, like you were talking about earlier, that just makes it even weirder.

Yeah. Like, trust the experts, quote unquote, is one kind of epistemic bubble we all know is false now, right? Like experts are into school. Yeah, that's right. It's trust the facts, I think, is a little closer to the truth. Okay, let's take a little break. Terrell, thank you so much for helping with us. We're going to continue this conversation.

I want to talk about the topic of supranationalism when we get back. And I also want to hear if you're willing, if there are any predictions that you have for us, because you've been pretty good at predicting the future. And predicting skill is always a sign of someone who should be listened to and someone who is accurate. So I want to give you a chance to make some predictions for us. So as we age, most men notice that they're not getting the same workout results they used to. But a lot of guys are reaching for synthetic hormones.

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And Caleb, do me a favor. Keep an eye on the chats. And if anything comes through any questions for Jenica, text me with it. I'm having trouble keeping up with the chats. There's a lot going on there. And if anything is of interest that they want to ask, me to ask, because it seems like

Janica is very, very popular, and I want to make sure I give everyone a chance to kind of, you know, make sure we raise the issues that people are interested in. But Janica, let's first reintroduce people to Terrell, who is the interpreter today. Terrell, thank you again for your work. We just want to show you on screen, say hi. You're doing a great job. And, Jenica, so we were talking about your book,

and we were talking about supernationalism. Tell me about that and what's happening with that and where it's going. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So there's a group of people who are working above the line of the country, right? And, you know, they're all very technocratic, right? It's this tech bro type of situation. And I think what we'll end up seeing is that the sovereign debt will force multilocratic. lateral solutions. And, you know, supernationalism, the word, that's my co-author of the book,

unelected, is Joshua Lysek. And he and I came up with that term for an idea that borders are something that will eventually be transcended. And often it's not, it doesn't have to be a group of technocrats driving this, although it is often. It's smaller than you think. And this is largely NGO driven, UN driven, and it's with your taxpayer money. And is this a good thing you and Joshua are predicting? Yes. A prediction that we have is that global sovereign debt will essentially become a huge problem. And the sovereign debt solution, the sovereign debt solution, like I can't predict exactly where

would go, but that debt cycle will be collapsing. And, you know, I think that there's signs, like, especially with the DSA elections, that there's crisis of legitimacy on that as well. And, you know, I'm less confident about this, but I think it's very possible we're going to have a crisis of legitimacy. Yeah. Legitimacy of what makes a legitimate government? Yeah, like, who decides what's true? Like, and, And also, who says where does the truth start? I mean, do you have any? That's a profound, that's a profound, very difficult.

Yeah, we look up our laws and we look up to the laws. We look up to the judges. We look up to the lawyers. We look up to the government. But if we can't believe anyone and everything starts crumbling down, who is to say who was right and what's true? And I do believe we'll end up very decentralized and chaotic age where nobody really accepts any source of legitimacy. Like, I mean, I'm more confident about the sovereign debt collapsing, but I think it's also highly possible that a legitimacy crisis could happen.

What do you make of Elon Musk prediction that goods will be so plentiful because of robots that the sovereign debt issue may solve itself? I love Elon. but I think he's confusing two different things. You know, there's robots saving world and then there's, you know, and then there's sovereign debt. Interesting. Caleb, what did you put up there? It's an article about how big of a fan Elon Musk is of her stuff. Oh, that's interesting.

And you've talked already, Jenica, of your Doge fan. family. You describe it that way. Are they still having an effect? Are they still operating on a level where you expect to see more exposing of bureaucratic excess and more fraud? The way Doge works is that they're not one centralized group. It's not like there's an office with, you know, all these Doge people. There's more like a few Doge people in different government agencies. So each agency has Doge influence. So there's Doge in DHS and there's Doge of the Department of War and there's Doge in all different kinds of sections of the government. So so far, Doge's executive order expired on July 4th. But as far as I know, the team has continued on

their mission doing good work as far as I know. Interesting. And then my understanding is that Antifa has a lot of NGO underpinning, and I think you've been able to expose some of that. Do you think our government will shut that down? I hope so. We've infiltrated signal groups. And what we find is that, hey on, let me type this in the chat. I want to go faster. Okay.

It's on speed. We infiltrated signal groups earlier this summer. You know, the whole cloak and dagger pretend were someone else type thing. And particularly pertaining to the ice riots in Newark. And what we found was that even though Antifa would be in those channels, right, because there's so many people in these chats, there can be quite large. The signal groups were all led by administrators from NGOs, particularly the ACLU. And we did not publish this because of doxing.

That would not be appropriate. I've been docks before with my whole family, and it was absolutely horrific. I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone, even my enemies. But we were able to identify some of those administrators, and they were all NGO-led. They all had positions in NGO. So Antifa can say that they're decentralized and led by no one, but it's more like they're kind of reared in this institutional support that provides medical care, legal and food and so on. So it's not like it's this group that takes orders.

It's more like if you come and do these things, you know, we'll tell you how to get things that you need, connect you with the right people. Does the intelligence community come to you for information? If you can tell me, you may not be able to. And my follow on to that would be, if so, are they, why? watching Antifa carefully? What I can say is that there's a lot of people in the government fighting the good fight. I haven't been privyed to any important information,

so that's all I can share. Okay. Yeah, I hope they're coming to you. I can only hope that they're, at least if they're not coming to you directly, they're listening to what you're posting. I think I think I, although I came across your stuff early on, I think it was when Scott Adams got behind you that I really started to notice you were posting more. Did you ever have communication with Scott?

Oh, Scott. Yeah. Yeah. No, I didn't meet him personally. I only saw him on video. Oh, my gosh. He's my children's fearful. Like they wrote, they read the book and he write.

They love him. Oh, my gosh. is this guy? He's so sweet. We love Sky. It was a very, well, very amazing man.

I don't know if you know, but Joshua Lysak is working on his biography as sort of the copy editor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Josh was so wonderful. Lysak writes all the books. I mean,

he is amazing. So you should definitely go get a copy of unelected by Joshua. Lysak and Janica Pounds because he wrote it and I wrote it. I would agree with that. Yep. So let's kind of wrap this up by you. You've predicted a sovereign debt crisis throughout the world. You've predicted a some sort of, what should we call it, a breakdown where local becomes.

By the way, I mean. Yeah, legitimacy crisis, yes. And there, I mean, look, we've been through those cycles before. I mean, that's a lot of what certain upheaval periods have been about, which are what gives a government legitimacy to govern, right? The French struggle with that, the British struggle with that. And it would not be surprising to see that come around again. But you're predicting more of a disintegration into local kinds of,

are they going to be tribes, or are they going to be states? counties. I mean, this, I heard years ago when, well, here we are the Eve of the Twin Towers, when they came down that Osama bin Laden's main goal was to try to get the country to disintegrate into 50 different countries, no longer have a legitimate, so to speak, federal government. Has he achieved his ends? Is that what you're predicting? No, no. Not exactly. I think it'll be much more individual. Like, okay, like, for example, we have tech setups that we've never had before.

Like, I'm not saying this will happen, but I'm just saying this is a global dollar or something could happen. Like, we could decide to use global currency or use crypto or something like that. So I think tech will give us the tool, on a very individual level. And it'll be all very confusing because where's the truth, right? The legitimacy crisis.

Like if we move to a global currency, who's to say which border is better than another, right? Who's to say which country is better than another? Right. And that comes down to a crisis legitimacy, right? Who's to say which country is what and who leads it? It scares me a little bit because that's when issues of force start to, rear its head. You know, people claim legitimacy by force.

You know, the whole might makes rights ideas start to come out. Yeah. Yeah. And we should be concerned. That's one reason to be concerned about AI there, but I'm not going to go into that. Just trust God and believe that we will find our way through this. Okay. I think that's a reasonable place to kind of.

kind of a roll to a stop here. I really appreciate you coming in here and sharing your thoughts with this. I hope everyone goes and buys the book, Joshua Lysak with Jennifer Pounde. It sounds fascinating. I admire your continued pursuit of the truth on all of our behalf. And the inspiration that has brought you to us is kind of extraordinary, but I'm grateful for it. And hope you'll come back and share new insights in the future. Thank you. Yes, I would love to. It was really nice to meet you. And thanks for letting me chat with all your viewers, Drew.

You bet. Terrell, thank you so much for being a part of this. My absolute pleasure. Okay, guys, thank you so much. We follow her on X, Dada Republican. And up next, the one and only, Larry Elders, after this. Dr. Drew here. Faddy 15 was discovered working with the Navy's fleet of dolphins, a brilliant Veterinary epidemiologists realized that dolphins deficient in this odd chain fatty acid were helped by replacing that fatty acid. They didn't get the conditions. Turns out humans have similar deficiencies.

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What is it like for you to be the most chiseled and best-looking man in media? Giving us the information we need. Thank you for the truth. My pleasure. We are going to take your calls at 8333-D-R-D-R-A-W. Caleb, before I bring Larry Elder in, she's very interesting. She sort of lives in a world that I don't fully understand. Did you see anything on the chats that we should be addressing?

Nothing specific. I saw a lot of support. People were really excited about it. I mean, it's numbers. It's numbers in math. Like, you can't just people, everyone wants to be angry at her for the stuff she's putting out there. But she's like, these are just the numbers. Just look at the facts, people.

It's not like she's inventing these. It's not like she's targeting any specific group. These are just the numbers. Yeah. She's obviously terribly bright, and she is divinely inspired by her description, and she is into the pursuit of the truth. How can you get mad at that? I don't understand.

But people get mad at everything these days, so I hope everyone follows and reads, and maybe we can learn something from her. All right, so Larry Elders, the black face of white supremacy, as he was labeled during the, I think it was a gubernatorial race, was it? Larry is a talk show host. Larry is a bringer of the truth. He is a political commentator,

radio host, former attorney. He hosts the Larry Elder show now on YouTube and the Salem Podcast Network. He was a presidential candidate, author of several books, including as goes California, my mission to rescue the

Golden State and save the nation. Larry's on X as Larry Elder, E-L-D-E-R. Larry, great to see you and welcome. Oh, your sound is new. Hang on, hey, your sounds are muted somehow. No, still don't have you. Is that me, Caleb, or is that Larry's end?

There you are. There you are. God bless you. I was saying, my technical incompetence. I'm not a former attorney. I'm still an attorney. I haven't been disbarred, at least not yet. Not yet. Larry, I have to be honest. I think I've told you this before.

I always leave conversations I have with you kind of like, oh, no, because you do speak the truth. And last time I talked to you, I was, I know, we were talking about saving California. And I was like, well, can, you know, can somebody like Steve Hilton or, I guess it was at that time, it was probably, what's his name that was running for mayor that had blanking on the name of the developer that had the place in the Pacific Palisades that he's rescued. Peruso. And you just looked at me. you went, no, not a chance. Zero. I was like, I want to believe there's some chance. So what do we do to save this state? You know, Drew, again, thank you for having me. If I had the answer to that, I'd be talking to you from the governor's mansion as opposed to my studio here in Gondale.

We are outnumbered in California. People say that Republicans are outnumbered two to one. That's not really true. When you throw in the independence, and independence vote left wing pretty much California, we're outnumbered about three and a half, almost four to one. There hasn't been a Republican elected mayor of L.A. Since 19, I think it was 79. And at that time, about 30% of the city of L.A. was registered Republican. Now it's 15%.

And just the math is the math. When I ran in the gubernatorial election or the recall election, he were angry at Gavin Newsom for a couple of things for the mandates and because he was at the French laundry restaurant in Napa Valley, kicking back with the very people that draft of the mandate, not wearing masks, not social distancing. So people were very angry of what they thought was hypocrisy. But I figured that he would apologize and grovel,

which is ultimately what he did, and then the anger sort of went away. But I was convinced that maybe just maybe if the ball carry him the right way, I might be able to sneak in on the recall election. I carried 57 of the California, 58 counties. The only one I lost was San Francisco. I lost that by 149 votes. The difference is in 2003

when Arnold Schwarzenegger successfully recalled a governor, the lieutenant governor also ran. So a lot of people wanted the lieutenant governor to win and some people wanted Schwarzenegger to win. So the combination meant that the first part of the ballot, which is do you want the governor recalled passed? In my case,

they made sure there was no prominent Democrat. There was me. I got 49% of the vote. Same percentage that Schwarzenegger got, by the way, almost identical to the same. percentage. The second highest person was a YouTuber who got around 9% because they made sure that no major Democrat was going to get on the recall side to cause more people to vote for their vote for the I want the recall side. So that's really what happened. It was that close. They had they had put a prominent Democrat on there and Antonio Villarigosa, the two-term mayor of L.A.

made noises about running. Then all of a sudden, he was not there. And the L.A. Times said that quoted people that said, if he ran, he'd be a social pariah. for the rest of his career if he ever did that. So they made sure they didn't make the same mistake they did in 2003. Other than that, I'd be talking to you from the governor's mansion in Sacramento. I had a very, your mouth of God's ears, maybe that one day could happen. But I had a very curious experience recently in San Francisco. We put out a documentary about homelessness, and I've been helping educate some of the thought leaders up there

about how to approach homelessness and what should be doing. And they started doing it. The new mayor, you know, he's obviously both in San Jose and in San Francisco have adopted these policies. And guess what? Homelessness is down 25%. People are getting sober. They're getting back into the workforce.

It should work. They're treating sick people with brain diseases and they're treating them. But I suppose this is, that part is matter of fact to me. If they do it, you need to do what we've always done for people with brain diseases, they get better. But what shocked me was talking to some of the elected leaders there, both at the county level, the city level, state level, they sounded like, they sounded more Republican than me. I'm a, I'm in one of the independents. I'm, I don't even think, I'm, I don't think of myself as conservative. I think myself as sort of independent, left-leaning maybe, although these

days, that means far right, extreme right. So, I mean. I mean, what I see the Europeans calling, everything extreme right. Yeah, everything extreme right that is not extreme left, which I am not. But I was really, I was like, I don't care what you call yourselves. You're talking about, you're speaking a language and a policy that has, specifically what Larry Elders would like. Are you seeing that at all? Am I deluding myself? Well, let me give you a couple of stories. I'll try and make this brief. When the recall election was over, I went to a restaurant in West L.A. to meet a buddy of mine. He was late. I was sitting there by myself for by 15, 20, 25 minutes. There's a table with two ladies next to me, and they felt sorry for me sitting there looking pathetic. So we started talking. And within a few minutes, I found out they were both 85 years old. One was celebrating her 85th birthday. They known each other since the second grade. They were both Jewish. We had a wonderful conversation. Then about 15 minutes into it, she said, wait a minute, I know who you are. You're that guy that ran for good. You're that Larry Elder.

And she said, guess who we voted for? So you didn't vote for me. She said, how do you know that? I said, let's see. We're in L.A., west side of L.A. You're both Jewish. It doesn't take Colombo to put that together. You didn't vote for me.

And they laughed. And I said, let me ask you something. How do you feel about the way Gavin Newsom shut down the state in the more severe way than any other governor did? They were angry about it. They said that they had friends who left, people who lost businesses. I said, what do you think about the homeless problem we have in L.A.? They were angry about it. They had an encampment not too far from the house.

What do you think about the cost of living? They had children who couldn't. live in L.A. because they couldn't afford the price of a home. I said, you mentioned you have children. Do you educate them in the Los Angeles system? Oh, absolutely not. It's lousy. It's horrible. We never put them in there. And I said, so here we are completing each other's sentences, but you didn't vote for me. Have you had a conversation with a conservative Republican before? They look at each other. And they said they haven't. And after that, I have some back issue. So I had someone recommended a back therapist. So I made the appointment. I thought I was going to be in an office building.

street, a house. So I knock on the door. I get hit in the face with a big plume of marijuana smoke. Not that I would know what that is, but I read about it. She had tattoos everywhere. She had piercings everywhere, but her eyeballs. Not exactly a conservative mage a person. So she starts working on my back. She's playing Motown music. My favorite genre of popular music, and virtually every song I knew something about the backstory, who wrote it, who sang it about the group, who formed it. I talked a lot about Motown. And then about half hour into the session, she said, I know who you are. When you called to make your appointment, I knew who you were. I wasn't going to say anything because I didn't vote for you. But had I known you with this funny and this personal

ball, I would have voted for you. I said, you know any Republicans? She said, no. I said, you don't know any? She said, no. I said, you don't work with any? No. Nobody in your neighborhood? No. She had never had a conversation with a Republican. Now, you mentioned when you went up to Sacramento, you were educating these people. That's the problem. These people, these people, people are completely ill-informed about so many issues, including what Republicans really believe, what they really think, they think that we are evil. They believe the Republican is a four-letter word. And when I ran for recall, every single ad had a picture of Donald Trump and Larry Elder saying, stop Republican takeover, not Gavin Newsom doing a wonderful job for California,

wonderful job on cost of living, wonderful job on homelessness, wonderful job on on fire, on water, stop Republican takeover, and it worked. Well, it's working. So it sounds like a branding problem, right? So it was Republicans are bad and evil and we are good, virtuous people, and we have the warm embrace of collectivism. I don't think MAGA did Republican branding any real favors. It just becomes MAGA is ruining the country. I'm afraid of MAGA. They scare me. They have guns and ice and these sorts of. I agree with Adam Carolla. We've got to change ICE's name to the next. national immigration control group. So it would just be nice. We got to get rid of it. We got to shut down nice. Nice. Nice is not. I'll forget it. What, Dr. Drew, I know it's tempting to say that Donald Trump has kind of poisoned the water. But if you go back at the history, 1964, Barry Goldwater ran against Lyndon Johnson. And at the convention, the then governor of California, Jerry Brown's fathers said the stench of fascism is in the air. They said the whole same thing about Ronald Reagan.

It was a congressman from Ronald Reagan who said Ronald Reagan gets his racist precept from the pages of Mind Comp. And George Sorda was referred to George W. Bush as Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda minister of Hitler. So they've been doing it for a very long time. The reason they dislike Trump so much is because Trump is so effective at branding them as crazy, branding the media as fake news. That's why they're angry at him. But this calling Republicans not to you, they've been doing it for decades. But I do believe that it's happened with Donald Trump on steroids. But they've been doing it for a long time.

But is it, but it is a branding endeavor. Is it NGOs that are funding it? Or is it media being completely adulterated? How is this so successful? It's a perfect storm of Hollywood, academia, media, and now big tech, all left wing. And they're manufacturing students. They're coming out like widgets that are indoctrinated. You look at Harvard.

Only around 3% of Harvard professors call themselves conservative or somewhat conservative, 3%. Only about 4% of reporters covering national politics called themselves Republicans. And so you're surrounded by people who think like you, reason like you, see the world the way you do, and nobody's there to challenge you. That's why the story I told you about the massage therapist and these two ladies at the restaurant is important. You're not around anybody to say, wait a minute. Wealthy people are, in fact, overtaxed. They're not undertax.

Wait a minute. Medicare for all is not a panacea. If you look at the health care system in Canada and in Great Britain, a lot of people are complaining about this. Republicans are not selfish. In fact, Republicans are more generous with their money, with their time than are a conventional. There's a book called Who Really Cares that outlines all of this because nobody had ever done a study about this. So there's nobody around to say stuff like that. And the idea that Israel, for example, is committing genocide and that Israel is an apartheid state is absolutely unbelievably ignorant.

Yet much of the country believes that. Majority of Democrats now do. But they don't have anybody around there to challenge this kind of nonsense. And so what is, how do we save the state and the country then? Is it is it, is it Trump's $5,000 bribe to keep his sort of train running down the track? Is that what's needed? I wonder your thoughts on that. And what else do we do?

That was a shock to me. I don't know where he's going to get the money. There are like 245 million adults in this country. And if you gave $5,000 to every one of them, I think it would come out to like $1.3 trillion. I don't know where the money is going to come from. Yes. But the answer to the question is people have to freaking wake up. They have to just understand what's going on.

When I ran for governor, somebody went through my something,500 columns I've been writing. We're running a column once a week since April of 1998. So they're around 1,500 of them. And somebody enterprudically read every one of them and found one of them where I said, the ideal minimum wage should be zero. So she says to me, you think people should be paid nothing? I said, do you read the column? Do you work for nothing?

I don't work for nothing. do you work for nothing? I said, I just said that there shouldn't be a third party getting in between a willing payer of labor and a willing supplier of labor. That should be set by the market. Have you ever sold anything, a car, a coat, a hat, a house? You want somebody telling you what the price ought to be, or do you want the market to set that price? That's all I said. She had no blooming idea. And then I said this, Dr. Drew, I said, who's your favorite economist? Because she said, she studied economics. I said, who's your favorite economist? Lank Stair. You can't think of anybody?

Oh, my. I said, if you don't know who Adam Smith is, blank stare. You don't know who Milton Freeman is, blank stare. So she didn't understand basic economics 101. Here she is writing about business. By the way, that interview that I mentioned was on YouTube. They were so lazy. If you look at the description, it said, Larry Ola talks to so-and-so about this, this, this, and the minimum wage.

They took that part out where she was embarrassed because she couldn't think of an economist, but they forgot to take it out of the description. So if you're looking for it, you won't be able to find it. They just took it out because she looked so foolish. Yeah, the $5,000 thing was shocking to me for two reasons. One is that it's the thing he's been aiming at the Biden administration about for so long as causing inflation, the fact that he essentially gave out thousands of dollars to people. And then number two, it does the opposite of making people independent of the federal government.

it's creating more of the dependency. Right. It's also subjected to the charge that you're just buying votes. Shockingly, politicians have been buying votes on both sides for a very long period of time. This Inflation Reduction Act by Joe Biden, he admitted it had nothing to do with reducing inflation, had more to do with the Green New Deal. And so politicians have been doing this for a very long period of time. I didn't take it all that seriously other than to show that Donald Trump really, really, really wants to win. And it realizes that much of his...

agenda will be stalled for the next two years if the Republicans don't retain control of at least one chambers of the legislation. Do you have predictions for the midterms? I think we hold the we meet in the public. If we hold the Senate. I think the House is going to be going to be very difficult, but not impossible. Donald Trump has been underestimated so many times. I would not underestimate him this time. The Iran war could take a twist. A gas prices could fall dramatically. And all these things that he's done, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, expensing 100% right away, no tax on Social Security. These things are kicking in now. Massive refund, tax refund, over $3,000, about 11% more than the refund that was last year. This is real money in the pockets

of people. And if gas prices go down, and I believe they'll go down dramatically once this thing has ended, who knows? We could have a shocking upset the way we did in 2016, the what we did in 24. Caleb, you just put up there, was that an ex post that Larry had put out about black Americans? They put that up again. Yeah. Well, let me read the headline, Larry. You'll let you explain.

Poll finds black Americans are more likely to be seen as racist. Right. Well, there was a poll done by Raspers. In fact, he's done several over the years. He's the only one has ever polled this. When blacks and whites and Hispanics and Asians were asked, of these four groups, which group is the more likely to be racist? whites said blacks were more likely to be racist.

Hispanics said blacks were more likely to be racist. Asians said blacks were more likely to be racist. Wait for it. Blacks said blacks are more likely to be racist. Not that the majority of blacks are, but then of those groups, you're going to find blacks more likely to be racist than the other three groups. Even blacks agreed with that. So this idea that Republicans are racist is just a bunch of horse bleep.

The city that most voted for Donald Trump of over 100,000 was Abilene, Texas in 2016. He got about 80% of the vote. Guess which city of 100,000? 40 years, just a few months later, voted for their first black mayor, Abilene, Texas. So knock it off. It's just not true. Most Americans feel really, really, really, really guilty about slavery, about Jim Crow, and they lean over backwards to show that they're not racist. We don't have a problem of racism in America. We are a problem of this integration of the nuclear intact family. 70% of black kids are born outside of wedlock. That leads to dropout. It leads to poverty. That leads to imprisonment.

We have a problem with schools that are awful. 85% of black eighth graders nationwide are neither reading nor math proficient. 13 public high schools in Baltimore are all located in the inner city, Dr. Jew. Zero percent of the kids are math proficient. That's the problem. And, of course, illegal immigration. One study done by the Civil Rights Commission found that a million fewer blacks to working because of illegal immigration. And the presence of illegal alien workers puts down with pressure on the wages of people that are unskilled

because most of the illegal aliens are unskilled. So, therefore, they disproportionately hurt black. black people. And those are their main problems facing this country. Those are the systemic problems facing this country. But you won't hear that from people like Jasmine Crockett or Elon Omar or even Barack Obama. They all want to talk about how blacks are old this, oh that, oh that, you are a victim. And by the way, these SOBs, Republicans over there, they're the victimizers. And we are the people on the white horse. We're the social justice warriors on your behalf, doing nothing whatsoever about the family that I mentioned, nothing whatsoever about school choice that I mentioned earlier. And

the party of Open Board has in the last four years. Yeah, it seems like some simple focus on familial health, fathers, not just for black families, by the way. We've got a father problem in this country. Education. I mean, it's not, it's just

literally the ABCs that, but I feel like we've entered an era where people that are in government aren't interested in governing. They're interested in representing. and it's made the governance. I mean, it's why we have potholes everywhere.

Why are streets in L.A. are more suitable to a horse than to a car? Am I wrong? I did a documentary called Uncle Tom, which you can see on YouTube for free. Nineteen 40, 87% of blacks live below the poverty level. 20 years later, 1960, that number had fallen to 47%. A 40-point drop in 20 years. The greatest 20-year period of expansion in American history for blacks. And this was still doing during Jim Crow.

A Brown versus Board of Education wasn't until 1954. The Supreme Court decision that struck down anti-race mixing laws was not until 1967. Why did this happen? It happened because it was rare for a black kid to be raised by a father in the home, a strong belief in entrepreneurship, a strong belief in American values, and a strong belief in Judeo-Christians. Many blacks, most blacks, more than today, went to church. So all of these were the qualities of hard work, thrift, personal responsibility, commitment that made blacks prosper.

Now you're being told that you're a victim. You're being told you are old reparations, which is one of the most asinine things I've ever seen. Reparations, the extraction of money from people who are never slave owners to be given to people who are never slaves. It is completely totally ridiculous. But is that what I call a victocrat mentality that so many people, young people, people of color have in this country, which I believe is a cancer. You know, one of the things I've always thought is that, you know, I don't understand how we, I mean, how you'd even do reparations because how do you get the genetic purity to say that this person was just this or just that. But I've always wondered, I've wondered about the impact of reconstruction in the South, that the reality is that was more traumatic. I mean, I'm not saying more than anything,

but I mean, that was a period of violence and trauma. And, you know, Douglas himself, I'm blanking on his first name. Frederick Douglass. The orator. Frederick Douglass. Frederick Douglass said, he said, he goes, we've given up the lash for the shotgun. And he was mortified by what was happening.

And this was a Democratic, you know, this is the Democratic Party that, perpetrated these horrors that Grant could not manage because of some scandals and things and his illness. But, you know, people get very mobilized by the word lynching, right? Just the idea of a news gets people activated. That didn't happen during slavery. That happened during Reconstruction because people did not kill other people's property because the slave owner would kill you. But during Reconstruction, there was just unrestrained violence on African descent Americans. And we've never really had a, we've never really

reconciled that. And I feel like people don't even understand that's where the latest trauma, the most profound trauma, sort of still sits. Well, I disagree. If you look at, as I said, the black family, a black family during slavery and during Jim Crow was more likely to be raised under a roof with his biological mother and biological father than today. the biggest damage is not slavery, it's not Jim Crow, as horrific as all those things were. The biggest damage is the way the nuclear intact family has been destroyed by the welfare state. We've incentivized women to marry the government and incentivize men to abandon their financial and more responsibility.

You mentioned in Frederick Douglass. He once said it is easier to build strong children than to repair, than to repair broken men. We have a lot of broken men in this country of all sorts of races. That really is the biggest problem we're facing in this country right now. It's a problem of- I agree with you. spiritual impoverment. Yeah.

Yeah. Impoverished. I spiritually impoverished. I completely agree with you. Yes. I completely agree with you. And I really do feel also strongly that the words of Frederick Douglass need to be resurrected and studied. Man, that guy is a treasure.

And I don't think people really appreciate the magnitude of his contribution. I mean, just go read his words. They're just unbelievable. And I would add also Booker T. Washington, who was born a slave, he wrote a book called Up from Slavery. And he said, I'm paraphrasing, whenever a Negro boy learns to cook, to someone who can wash dishes or to practice medicine as well as or better than somebody else, he or she will be rewarded without regard of color. The world wants the best and will not long be denied the best. Just be good. Work hard. Invest in yourself. And you'll be fine in the greatest country and the creation of human

civilization. Right now as we speak, there are people in 80 lining up for a lottery for a shot to get to America, a country that people like these people on the hard left talk about being institutionally racist. They're lining up to come to a country that is institution or institutionally racist. It's absurd. Absolutely absurd. Dr. Drew, my show starts in about 90 seconds. I've got to roll. Okay. All right. Okay. One quick, a couple more Booker T's in the world and we would, they could resurrect the education system. What that guy did for? for education was unbelievable. Or the great philosopher, Randolph, Elder, my father, hard work wins.

You get out of life, which you put it into it, you cannot control the outcome, but you are 100% control of the effort. Before you roan or moan about what someone did you or said to you, go to the nearest mirror, look at it and say to yourself, what could I have done to change the outcome? And finally he said to my brothers and me, no matter how hard you work, bad things are going to happen, how you respond to those bad things, will tell your mother and me if we raised a man. This is a eighth-grade dropout who never knew his biological father.

my dad started a little cafe when I was 10 years old. When he retired, his network was over a million dollars, which is not too savvy for a black kid from the Jim Crow South, who never knew his father. Larry, thank you for joining me. My pleasure. Thank you. See you soon. It's the one Larry conversation that I've had right.

I'm not feeling bad about it. It's good. Thank you, Larry. Appreciate you being here and sharing some of your ideas. I don't know. I feel like the Overton window is open wide enough that we can start to have real conversations. again. So at least that's happening.

All right. So can we put a schedule up there? And Caleb, is anything on the chats that I should be attending to? There you go. Naomi Wolf coming back. Shane Cashman back. Kelly Victory. Nick Holster's got some really interesting publications coming. Lindy Lee, that should be fun. Mary Talley Bowden has been going viral on many different important topics. So check it out.

We will be back again on the 14th with Naomi Wolf that I believe is Tuesday. Let me double check myself. Monday. We're going to start up and we're going to have to see. Good thing I checked. And that show will be at 2 o'clock. So we're going to go Monday, Tuesday, Thursday next week. Keep an eye out for us on Monday at 2 o'clock Pacific time.

And let me kind of drop in on the chats here and see what you guys are talking about. We appreciate your gratitude, people. We have a mail problem, M. Buck says. Yeah, it's a mail problem, but it's a mail problem that we. we've created. We've told men they're worthless. They're not worthwhile. It's, men are going to be, I don't know, you push things down hard enough that tends to be a spring back up. And I, and I think you're going to see men come back. But it may not be in a way that makes everybody happy because I don't think women really appreciate what they have done to men and how,

how marginalized they feel, how bad they feel. I went viral a couple days ago. Just some comments I made Adam Carole, I was just saying, I'm observing that men are going overseas to, I think the 90-day fiancé sort of reality series was pressing it. That's what people are doing. They're, they're being told they're not worthwhile, any attempts to be, courtship is met with your, you're toxic. Then it's what marriage is what, it's going to fail anyway, and you're going to take half my stuff after I work so hard. And now you can kill my kids and then you get out. I manage just like, okay, well, that's pretty much it. I'm out.

Let's see what Thailand and Ukraine have. They're just going elsewhere. But let me quickly go back to the chats here and see what you guys are talking about. The Inter Republic was very interesting, I thought. She's a thoughtful person. Caleb, anything you saw that was worthy of comment? No, I'm still stuck on reading that article about the Nigerian chief, who allegedly made over build Medicaid for over $30 million and literally built a palace with the money.

This was something that just came out yesterday. It's just as a. This is your hard-owned money funding individuals overseas or, you know, what did I see that the Somali government, it receives more money for Medicare fraud than its gross national product? Okay. Well, it's like why? email scams, you just do a Medicaid scam like this. Like maybe the email scams were all a distraction because this is mega money,

like $30 million over a small amount of years. And it's like they're showing on the charge. Oz is getting in there. He was like, okay, this place made like, you know, a million, a million, then suddenly jumps up to $7 million a year. And then they stop filing their mandatory forms, but they're still getting money from California. There's probably tons of these all across the country that are defrauding us

out of tax dollars. and you know and a fast train to nowhere and there are just so many things about the way our government runs in this rate that is should have people extremely upset they should be so sick of it

their money it goes nowhere but whatever you're going to have to either vote with a suitcase and move somewhere else like Caleb did or start to vote differently for your representatives.

It's your call. All right. Well, thank you all for being here. Again, we will be back on Monday at 2 o'clock Pacific time, and we will see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. Emily Barsh is our content producer. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only.

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