Ask Dr. Drew - Dave Rubin: Can Spencer Pratt Save California From Gavin Newsom’s 2028 Shadow Campaign? w/ Former Congressman Bob Livingston — Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 621

Episode Date: May 13, 2026

While Gavin Newsom flirts with a run for President in 2028, former reality star Spencer Pratt has danced into the hearts of Angelenos with his common-sense campaign for LA Mayor – convincing many in the deep-Blue city to vote Republican for the first time in their lives. Can Spencer save California? Dave Rubin joins Dr. Drew to break down the bizarre reality of California’s political landscape, the hypocrisy of the elite class, and the fight to return common sense to the Golden State. Former Congressman Bob Livingston details the shocking abuses of power within the American judicial system and how weaponized lawfare is being used to target political opponents. Rubin also discusses his upcoming one night only FLORIDA MAN event on June 11, 2026, at The Fillmore Miami Beach, featuring a candid conversation with Governor Ron DeSantis, along with Ben Shapiro, Jillian Michaels, and Adam Carolla. Reserve a spot now at https://daverubin.com/events Dave Rubin is the creator and host of The Rubin Report, with over two billion views and more than three million subscribers worldwide. He is a New York Times bestselling author of Don’t Burn This Book and Don’t Burn This Country, and launched Copal 22 Reposado Tequila in 2025. Follow at https://x.com/RubinReport Robert L. Livingston (Bob Livingston) is a Founding Partner of The Livingston Group and a former Member of Congress from Louisiana, first elected in 1977. He served as Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee from 1995–1998 and was chosen as Speaker-designate for the 106th Congress. A Tulane University graduate, he previously served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney and Chief Prosecutor. He is the author of The Rainbow Chaser and The Windmill Chaser. Learn more at https://livingstongroupdc.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The great Dave Rubin, creator and founder of the Rubin Report, founder of Rumble, no, founder of locals, acquired by Rumble, you can have that too. Best-selling author, 2 billion views for the Ruben Report, 3 million subscribers worldwide. I'm going to get right to Dave because he's got limited time with us. After he leaves, I'll be welcoming former Congressman Bob Livingston to talk about lawfare. But Dave Rubin, right up to this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this friend.

He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a second. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals.

Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent and to treat. Do you have trouble? You can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

welcome Dave Rubin in studio with us. We coerced him back to California. Find him on YouTube at Ruben Report, X, Ruben Report, Instagram. It's still Ruben Report. Ruben Report everywhere. But you're here to talk about an event in Florida that I wish to hell I could be a part of.

I tried to get you on. Before I tell the kind of A-list people we got on this thing, you got the first call. You and my actual friends, you Sage and Gillian got the first call. First of all... Also mentioned actual friends. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Thank you for including me in actual friends. nothing but a pleasure top to bottom. It's been great spending time with you, which I always

have enjoyed, but to get to know Sage and Jillian better has been really a pleasure. I love, well, it goes both ways. I mean, I thank you for doing it. And I love doing the show. Me too. I love doing the show. You know, all of us, even though we're having some discussions about it now, we've been doing it for about a year. We've all been doing it for free. Is it been a year? Yeah, it's been about a year. Oh, my God. That's like that. Which is crazy. That's crazy. And I always say to you when we end the stream and then we're still on for just a second, I always say to you that other name of the show could have been creator therapy or something like that because it feels like we're just venting about all of the, you know, there's all the issues that we deal with

during the day, but then there's how we have to deal with the interpersonal relationships. And sometimes, for example, on the show this past week, you know, we were talking about Megan Kelly, who we all know to some degree or another. And do you want to talk about friends or former friends, sort of vent about some of that stuff? And what I liked about that particular conversation is some of us are ambivalent. We like Megan, but we don't like how she treated it. you. We understand how you're family. So it's just a really a friendly conversation. And that was what I wanted to do. The last thing that I would want to do is just another political show or just another purely culture war thing. I wanted to do something that I felt would allow

people to see us a little bit differently and kind of just get us to exercise or excise some demons. And I think it's working nice. I hope so. And the other thing is I think you invited some people that are mostly moderate in a lot of areas. Well, that was, yeah. I mean, because even though I'm thought of as a right-wing maniac, which is hilarious. No, I think of you as moderate, too. Yeah.

Because we come from a similar line of thinking. Classical liberalism. As I was going to say, most people are classically liberal. Most people believe in individual rights and laissez-faire economics and get the government off your back. And that's what the founders of this country believed in. That's what all the Enlightenment thinkers

really came around to that led to, you know, 350 plus years of unbelievable human flourishing that we seem to be on the precipice of reversing. But in any event, I did want you at this Florida thing. Jillian will be there, but it's going to be, we're going to do a live Rubin report that day. So we're going to write the show that morning. That will be our show for the day.

Which is what we do. When I go on the road, we did Australia, a bunch of shows out there that morning. We write it. It's the only, and I don't do a rehearsal. It's just get up there and let's see what happens. And of course, Ron DeSantis is going to be there. And I really, the whole idea of the show is to celebrate,

what this guy has done in the free state of Florida. Yeah, because, you know, he's coming up on the ending of his two terms. We don't have to do the whole how great Florida thing is. Everyone gets it. And I wanted people to see him in a different light. You know, I've gotten to know him in a way that people don't. I've been to dinner, you know, private dinners with him where he kicks his feet up on the table after and has a whiskey and has a cigar and talks baseball.

And I met his wife, too, she's really, truly a caring person. Not somebody who has to care to make herself feel good. She just looks at things and goes, we've got to do better. And gone through her own health journey and all of this stuff. And I just wanted people to celebrate that a little bit. And then have you heard of this guy, Adam Carolla? I think maybe you guys.

He's going to be there? Yeah, Corolla. Well, I couldn't get Drew. Could not get the Drew. I just left him like an hour ago. He will be at the F1 in Monte Carlo. You felt that being in Monte Carlo was going to be better than being with Dave Rubin and Ron DeSantis. So we're going to reset that up a while ago.

No, so Corolla's going to be fair. Corolla is going to open up with some stand-up. he's going to warm up the crowd, then I'll do the live Rubin report. Then we're going to have Ben Shapiro and Jillian Michaels, which I thought, what a wacky duo that is. He's talking so fast. And, you know, Gillian is sort of, she talks in sort of these like rhythmic. So we'll do a little debate with them.

There's going to be tequila and we're going to do giveaways and Q&A and all the stuff. And I just, I just want to be a celebration. Where is it? How do we go? Oh, Dave Rubin.com slash events. It's at the Fillmore in Miami Beach. Fillmore is a great theater, which if you saw Bill Maher's last HBO special, it was at the Fillmore.

I did the Fillmore years ago with Jordan Peterson. beautiful theater. And it's going to be, you know, it's like a couple thousand people and it's going to be a friendly, fun night. And as I always tell people, if you get the meet and greet tickets, you are allowed to hug me for one second. But if you are with someone else and they are willing to forego their hug, you can do the two seconds of.

Because what I find is married women really want to hug me. The husband's not that interested in hugging me. Single guys don't want to hug me. But if there's a married couple, the woman, always wants that extra hug and the husbands are usually willing to do it. Married woman here, maybe she can explain that. Susan, can you explain that? She gave me a rather generous hug when I walked in.

Of course I did. Why did a married woman want to hug Dave Rubin? You know, I'm... Because, yeah, he's sweet and loving and... Yeah, you're nice. Speaking of nice, Corolla's got a great, nice stand-up routine. Yes, which you hear, you know, Trump is trying to steal it now. Oh, it's fantastic.

Yeah. Wait, I think you were the one that showed it to me first. You're talking about with him talking about how ICE should be nice, right? It should be the national immigration service. Well, did you hear that Trump is now using that? And then... Trump does... If it makes sense, he'll do it.

So it makes perfect sense. So why not? So Trump then used the joke that we should call it nice. I hate nice. And then Tom Holman was on a TV show a couple days ago and they were asking him about it. And he's like, well, Trump came up with nice. And I was like, that was Corolla. Bruce sent me the thing.

You know, Corolla and Trump have a relationship. So I'm sure he could know. if I'm like, hey, you're sure to give me a couple of nods. As Tucker Carlson once said before he went completely bananas, in this biz, you just steal, you don't give credit. I've never felt that way, but, you know, a certain set of people. I've been working with Ralphie May's wife on his documentary Come What May. And a couple of meetings were saying he thought he had, or somebody had stolen something.

And I thought, oh my God, these guys are still worrying about that stuff? Adam has always said to me, he goes, look, certain things come into the zeit case. And because of that, people come up with the same ideas at the same time. There obviously is some level of stealing. Robin Williams was very well known to sit in the back of comedy clubs and lift things. And then you know what he did. And I know this firsthand from a comic who probably doesn't want to be mentioned, but a well-known comic from TV that you probably know him personally,

an L.A. guy. He once was doing stand-up. Robin took the premise. And then, of course, Robin could act it out in a way that nobody else could. So it always looked original. And by the way, I'm not even, I'm not bad-mouthing Robin Williams. He was the most incredibly talented, ridiculously. He's so missed it.

and culture and everything else. However, he then sent the guy a check one day. Never said I stole it or anything else. A check just showed up at his house. You know the guy. I'll tell you during the break. Very interesting. That's how, Robin was a recovering guy. And so that's an important part of being recovery. It's his honest, accountability, making amends where necessary, that kind of thing. Stealing occasionally, but at least paying the guy. Well, being accountable for it. And doing it better and doing it different. I mean, I don't know. You were a comedian for how long? I did stand up in New York for 15 years, which is insane from 98 to 2013 with all the successes of that and all the failures of it and the misery and the, it's a heck of a life, man. It is, I don't have to tell you. Did you have a home base there? I started, well, I saw it was basically, well, at one time, I think I was the youngest comic past at the comedy seller, which was like the spot.

Still is. The spot, especially, but back then it really was the spot. But then what I realized was when I started 98, it was just as sick. were kind of wrapping up and reality TV was kicking in and all the comics that were supposed to move. The guys that were supposed to move on, you know, to get their eventually get the Tonight Show, then get the sitcom and everything else. They were kind of stuck at the clubs. So like kind of the Colin Quinn generation. Yes. They were all, they were the guys that were five, 10 years past me, but they were still stuck at the clubs. Nobody wanted to be in the clubs forever.

The idea is you're at the clubs for a while to get on the Tonight Show to get the sitcom and move on. But because of reality TV, you could maybe be a game show host or a reality host. But there weren't sitcoms anymore. It was just wrapped up. Interesting television history. Yeah. So it really fundamentally changed how standup operate and everything else. And I think one of the reasons that I suppose I became successful or whatever I am, I kind of realized quickly.

I thought, this isn't working. The guys that are good that are ahead of me are not going anywhere. Where am I going to go? Were you doing political humor at the time? Yeah, I was doing a lot of people. I was always doing, you know, I loved George Carlin. I loved Bill Maher. So I was always kind of political.

I was also started right out of college. I was a polysign major. So that was kind of the world I was coming from. Sunni Binghamton in New York. A lot of weed. It was a lot of weed, Doc. You would have taken me and put me in a room. That was the weed of your.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not what they have now. That was sold in lids. Exactly, exactly. But I did that, and then I realized this isn't working. So I actually started a couple clubs in the city with some other comics, and we ran them and profited from them and gave stage time and everything. We'd be standing out there barking, you know,

coming out tickets and everything. And then I guess that really started the entrepreneurial side of me. And then when that stopped working because the big clubs came in and they had guys that were pinching us off on the streets because they were handing out tickets and they were paying them. Then I heard of this thing called podcasting. And I didn't know what the hell it was. I did not even have a, I didn't have an iPhone yet or anything.

Corolla was probably doing it by then. Carolla probably this is just starting. Yeah, I don't know. This is like 2005 or something. Okay. So this is probably 2007 or eight or something like that. And I started doing a podcast with this radio guy. And then from there, that took off.

And then I eventually got a serious XM show, eventually got on the Young Turks, lefty maniac woke up because Larry Elder smacked me around. You know the drill. And here we are. So Dave was a lefty maniac. That's your describing. And Larry Elder came in...

Well, you're a right-wing maniac. You're just sort of a lefty kind of... Screwball. Yeah. And you were exposed to Larry Elder's reality of the numbers as it pertain to police attacking black men. Yeah, there were a couple things when I was on The Young Turks, so this is now, I started there in 2013,

which is crazy, 13 years ago. And there were a few things that I was waking up about. There was an endless sort of hysteria around progressivism that I just thought didn't make sense. It couldn't be that everybody else was racist, and we were just so bright. You know, the math just didn't check out. And there were a couple moments, two of them real quick,

because you probably know the other guy too. Do you know David Webb from Fox News? He's also a radio guy, and he sucks in for Hannity a lot. And he's been on Fox for years. I know David. Yes, I do. But David was a, he's a very gruff voice. It sounds like he's a great radio voice like this.

And David was a good friend of mine because when we met at Sirius XM, I was a lefty. He was on the right. But we met in the hall one day, hallway one day we started chatting. He's like, why do you come on my show every week? I'll be on the right. You'll be on the left. We'll talk it out. And then we would do this for weeks.

We did this for months. And every day, when we'd be done, go downstairs to Del Friscoes, he'd have a whiskey. I'd have a tequila. We'd have a steak. And just then we became great friends. years later, about two years later, I'm now on the Young Turks, and they're playing a clip of David Webb. They don't know that I'm friends with David Webb.

And these tolerant progressives, these anti-racist progressives, Jank and the rest of them, are talking about what a sellout he is as a black man because he doesn't believe in affirmative action or whatever it might be. And he's a sellout, and he's a race trader. And they're talking about my friend, not just some guy in a box.

And it suddenly hit me. It was as clear as day. I was like, wow, they actually are the racists because I know David, he happens to be black, but that does not define all his thoughts. And once I saw it, once I saw it in the most specific personal way, the Larry Elder thing happened a few months later where Larry just hit me over the head with facts related to,

you know, police brutality and everything else. So I credit those guys an awful lot. And the Larry moment, I always, I think I've told you this before, It was my best and worst moment on camera at the exact same time. It was my worst moment for obvious reasons. I got into an intellectual battle not equipped properly to fight.

And it was my best moment because right after that we weren't live like we're live streaming right now. It was to tape and the producers came up to me and said, Dave, we'll cut that. And I said, no, we got to leave it. How can I do this for a living if in a moment of reality, I'm not going to put it up and thankfully I put it up

and the rest is history. Thankfully, and now here we are. Foolishly, thankfully. How do we manage to get you in California? And how has it been? How did you get me here? Well, I'm doing press for the big show that we're doing on June 11th, Dave Rubin. com slash event.

So I was with Billy Bush this morning and you, and I'm heading to Larry Elder right after this, which is great. I'm doing this Jubilee show tomorrow, which I was telling you a little bit about. Before it's this huge YouTube channel where I'm going to sit in the middle of the circle. No, it's not live streamed. So it's me like sort of MAGA guy versus 20 far lefties. And I bring up the topic and then they get to run in and challenge me and debate me. So that'll be interesting to say the least.

Yeah. And then a bunch of other, bunch of other hits. And you know, I lived here for eight years. And as I always tell everybody, six years of it were great. I mean, that's when we became friends. And we used to host great dinners and met so many cool people. And there was something great about L.A. at that time. And then the day COVID started, I knew it.

I just knew it on day one. You did. Yeah. It took me about a year to really wake up to what was going on. I just could feel it on day one. But this sounds ridiculous, but this is true. It was on day 15 when I really knew it. So I knew from day one, I knew I just felt.

After two weeks to bend the curve. But you know why? Because we're watching, I kid you not. You're going to say this is crazy, but this is true. On day 15, after two weeks to flatten the curve, we were watching the Golden Girls on TV land. Okay? And it has commercials.

old school cable commercials. And suddenly we're watching the Golden Girls, as we did every Sunday. And then a commercial comes on for the new normal. And I thought, wait a minute, wait a minute. I know how this business operates. You can't just make a commercial overnight. This thing was in the can.

This thing had been produced. So when was this produced that you're telling me on day 15 after it was supposed to be two weeks to slow the spread, that I'm seeing commercials for the new normal. Don't shake hands anymore. And that's when I was like, this is not going to work. you know, we tried to stay.

I fought very hard. You know, I fought for the recall of Gavin Newsom. I ended up campaigning with Larry Elder. I mean, what a cool evolution. The guy who wakes me up years before I end up campaigning with him to get rid of Newsom. Obviously, that didn't work out. And then after the recall election, I just said, I'm leaving. And I took two companies out.

I didn't know if any of my employees were going to come with me. Every single person came with me. Oh, wow. And most of them are still with me. And we sit in envy. And you're here. and we're here. We often mock you for it on actual friends.

But Spencer Prouder, we're going to talk about after the break, articulated something that I have been saying, which is it's worth fighting for. I've been here my whole life. It's worth fighting for it. I don't like having to fight for it. I don't like what's going on. Orange County is still,

you can still live a life in Orange County. Two of my sons are down there. And in the meantime, let's see if we can wrestle it out. I'm not saying it's not worth fighting for. Everything good. New York, I spent 20 years in my life in New York. And New York City is worth fighting for. for. You know, it's a matter of what you can do at a certain point in your life. And I fought very

hard during those COVID years and I had that crazy debate with Gloria Allred and they wouldn't even let me into the Fox studio to debate her about COVID. And on air, the most famous civil rights attorney in America asked me if I was vaxed. I mean, how insane everything went. And then the Newsom thing happened. I just couldn't take it. I just could not take it. I can barely take it. Right. No, so I think sometimes it's worth fighting, fighting for something that's not working. And then what I've realized in Florida is I'm fighting for something that's working and I want to keep strengthening it. And those are just different things that you do at different points in your life. But the key thing is that you mock your friends who stay.

And as Corolla has been saying forever now, that we're going to devolve into safe spaces and octagon. And you're the state, you're the octagon and it's working. All right, we'll take a quick break. We're going to talk about Spencer Brad. Dave's got to get out of here in about 10 minutes. You're right back. Your body's in a constant state of repair. It's trying to stay healthy.

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Everything is at Rubin report. Dave Rubin, a few more minutes with us here. Let's talk a little mayoral candidacy and maybe even some gubernatorial candidacy. We brought you a little extra time here, Drew. I appreciate it. I really do. I clear it out the day. Whenever, whenever I get some more time with you. And I, You know, one of my sentinel events was having dinner in Beverly Hills with everybody and meeting Sage, Steele, and then watching Corolla split up, split up, baked potato with David Sacks. I offer you people.

I bring you to a private room. I'll pay for everything. And I've got Corolla splitting a potato with the billionaire. There's a reason Corolla is Corolla and the billionaire, it's a billionaire. Yeah. You know what I mean? It does actually make perfect sense. And actually that was the last time that I saw Dennis Prager in person before he took his spill.

Dennis, you asked me about him off camera the other day, but he is getting better for sure. And they've moved him to Florida. But, you know, he has basically no movement below the neck right now. But his mind is there and he's Dennis and the joy. And he keeps such a positive attitude. Yeah. When I tell you that when we went in and to sit with him closer than you and I are right now. So, you know, really getting close to him, smiling endlessly.

there was, I did not feel sad in any way, which that is a testament to him, not a testament to me. His spirit is just incredible. And hopefully, hopefully some of these treatments they're doing will still help. There's a happiness research out there on people with spinal cord injuries. And they usually end up back at their baseline. So that's where his baseline was. That's him. Wow. Yeah, which is weird. I can't imagine being a good thing. I mean, the guy's written a gazillion books, several on happiness. So it does kind of make sense. Yeah. You remind me of a quick story. I don't know if it's for real or not, but about Rockefeller.

Apparently, he had a driver who drive him to work every day, and he would give him $5 tip when he'd drop him off. And the son was also driven by the same guy, and the son would give him a $20 tip every day. And after years of this, the driver finally went to John D. Rockefeller and said, this Rockefeller, we're old friends. I just am so curious about this. You're very generous.

It's not a complaint. I'm just curious. You always give me $5 from my tip. And your son always gives me 20. Explain that to me. And he said, my son had a father with money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So, you know, how, and that's back to Coraola and David Sacks,

the Coraola came from impoverishment. And so it kind of lives that way. Can't stand waste. David Sacks got his money by being frugal, I'm sure, and managing, you know, budgets. Well, you know what? I've done, you mentioned locals before, and David was one of our investors in locals.

That's kind of how we became friends originally. And I have to say, you know, there's such a, this endless assault that we see on billionaires now, that they're just so, they fundamentally are evil. Or you saw the video this week of AOC saying you could never become a billionaire. That was the weird, somebody should have said to her, so explain to me this AOC. So Oprah didn't earn it.

What's his name that does the comedy shows? It's now going to get all the late night slots. And what about, there are a million of black veil, Billionaires, whether it's LeBron James or Michael, Michael, and you name them. They didn't earn it? It's so, well, it's not only profoundly ridiculous, but it's so full of a word we were talking about right before the live stream started, envy.

Envy. You know, so I've met some, so David is a good example. So I've met some of these people that have unimaginable wealth. It's actually unimaginable. And some of them are really, he happens to be really, really kind and a brilliant businessman man who invested. I met him one time at a New Year's party for five minutes. We got on the call a few days later.

I gave him the full pitch. He invested two or three days later. And it opened up endless doors for us. And he always picked up the phone if I needed advice. You're telling me this guy doesn't deserve what he has earned. And the idea that someone has so you don't have is also really, really dangerous. You're a French Revolution guy. You know what that leads to.

There is not a pie that gets divided up. There are people that can build things and grow our economy and grow jobs. Elon Musk, an unbelievable example of that. But to me, the most disturbing thing of what she was saying was belies, exposes a deep lack of understanding of economics. Yeah. So profound. Well, it's because they just want more. It's what, it's what Mom Dami's doing in New York.

Give me the number, Zohan. Give me the, what is the number that you need to fix the problems? And he can't, which is why the guy said free buses. He gets in and within weeks, no free, but he announces no free buses. And now, now there's 20 other problems that he suddenly magically has found. And it's like, guys, surprise, surprise, you're going to kick out everybody. We're getting them all, by the way. We're getting them all quite close to where I live in Florida, in Miami,

we're getting all of these guys. And they're all coming. And then you know what I'm seeing where in Miami right now? New restaurants everywhere. fixing roads everywhere. Houses being demolished and built up fast everywhere. Where would you rather be? Listen, we've heard both Cuomo and Hokel.

Cuomo said, rich people are not bad. We need them. And Coal, come back, come back. You've got to fund my stuff. What I'm so confused about as you go further left is there's nothing the government does better or even well. So why? Why the enthusiasm for centralizing everything with the government?

It's a confusion. It's a real confusion that particularly young people have. They have a utopian view of the world. You think, oh, if I'm smart enough now, we as humans have evolved enough. My grandparents were old and had old ideas. This time will be different. And this time will be different. And if I just have the power.

And the irony is, you know, they'll run around, even AOC now. We're fighting fascists in the government. All right. Let's pretend that's true. even though actually the Democrats are far closer, I don't have to do COVID with you, but the way they eluded government and big tech against the people. That's actually fascism.

That's it. But it's a confusion because if your argument is the government is bad, how about instead of giving the government more power or saying to the government, how about then starve the government? At least the libertarians who I think, you know, I think they miss a lot of things about human nature when it comes to war and peace and things like that,

at least their ultimate. solution is you should have more skin in the game. So I can at least get on board that. The progressive view is quite backwards. It's wild that it's been done and done and done. You know? Indeed. It's happening right here. Well, let's talk about Mayor Pratt. Yes. What do you think? Is it possible? So in that I am not a Los Angelino anymore. I'm not like, you give us an outsider's point of view. I can give you a out from an outsider's point of view. You need this guy. In some sense, it does not even matter what the rest of the rest of you. I'm not. of his beliefs are.

I'm not fully aware of what, you know, he's running as a Republican. I don't think he knows. I think they're evolving as he sees problems. I don't even think they matter. I think it's clear what he represents right now, which is basic common sense. As we talked about actual friends last week, one thing that I really like is I like people who are sort of apolitical

or not known for politics that something happens, that they become political because then you realize that this stuff matters. Supposedly that's what happened to Sarah Palin. Yes. And that's why I was like, oh, good, this woman was sitting on the boards of a hockey game. And then all of a sudden went and became governor and took on big oil. I can sign up for that. That's what this government's supposed to be about.

And whatever. We don't have to rehash everything about Sarah Palin. But there was a moment where she could have really taken it and maybe she got a little over her skis or whatever. She had that terrible interview where they asked her, what do you read? And yeah, whatever. Spencer Pratt, to me, just represents right now the angry, righteous. indignation guy. And that's what this town needs.

He was not political. His house burned down. His parents' house burned down. The neighbor across the street literally died in the fire, was burned to death. And now he's pissed. And when you look at him

in stark contrast to these two ridiculous people, I am sorry. Karen Bass is a ridiculous person. And the one, the Zohan wannabe, what's her name? Raman is the last name?

She's absurd. This is a woman who's fighting against having, they want to keep the drug addicts away from the schools and she's trying to bring them closer. It's endless with these people. And I hate to tell you, at some point, at some point all the good people will flee. And then you end up in some kind of Philip K. Dick situation.

Well, the one thing I really admire that he did is he kicked open the Overton window. And he said things that I've been saying for 15 years. But he said something very simple. They're talking about should the homeless people be near the schools or should the homes cost $750,000 or $850,000. He goes, no, no more lying on the sidewalk. That's it. If you're so sick that you lie down on the sidewalk and stay there, we're going to put you somewhere.

We're going to help you. We're going to help because you're too sick to lie on the sidewalk. You can't do that anymore. And if you're a drug addict, we're going to get you some treatment. What is wrong with that? You're saving lives. Drew, could your producer pull up? Oh, they have it up right now.

So I took this picture this morning. Okay. I was walking in West Hollywood and I saw this picture and look, there is a homeless guy who likely is a drug addict. Swastika message on it. The whole thing. That's on Melrose, you know, high Melrose over there where there's, you know, the restoration hardware and it's a primo area of this town. We walk through West Hollywood this morning where I used to live. It literally smells horrible everywhere.

There are homeless people everywhere. You don't see people going to work. Joey, who's with me, who kept saying to me, where is everyone, why aren't people going to work? Where is everybody? Like,

there's something fundamentally wrong here. And if, okay, so if Pratt loses, if Pratt loses, okay, so kick it another four years. All right,

how much worse will it be in four years? And four years and four years and four years. And before you know, that, you know, things happen very slowly and then they happen very quickly. Yes. And by the way,

that's what's happening in New York City right now. I mean, it's getting, now New York seems to be an accelerated version of it. So the riots are getting a little bit worse. You know, this craze to mass people wandering through residential areas in Brooklyn to find

Hasidic Jews. It's just to put aside what you think about the Middle East or anything else. Societies can't function like that. They can't function when you allow drug addicts everywhere and they can't function. We have people quite literally dressed up as jihadis terrorizing people in their homes.

I live in Florida. I just want to quickly And as an aside, slowly then quickly, you know, where the most famous rendition of that is, is Hemingway. One of his characters went bankrupt and the other character asked him, what was it like? How did it go? And he goes, well, first was slow, then it was fast. Yeah, but it makes sense, right? Like, it really does.

And so, look, I don't know if he can win. I don't know enough about the electorate anymore. I just don't know if there are enough sane people here anymore or anything else. But if you, I think you can objectively say, let's put it this way. If those, that debate that he was part of with those ridiculous people, if that had been aired 20 years ago, so 2006, almost everyone in America, regardless of politics, if you just removed that he happens to be a Republican and their Democrats, almost everyone in America would have been like, well, that guy seems sane. Paragmatic, problem solving. Let's get stuff done. And most people would have said, these people seem deeply, deeply unqualified. Something like that. But something very dangerous has happened over the last 20 years. So to say what is going to happen with the other.

I have no idea. I think I said this on actual friends. People are not interested in governing anymore. They're interested in representing. Yes. And representing is non-governance. It's not governing. You've not done anything when you represent.

Good. You've got to place to the table. What have you done? You know who's doing a lot of that these days? Is Governor Newsom's wife? Kroll and I, listen to our podcast tomorrow. We're putting up, we took her words and took an AI instrument that lets us make be Bert Reynolds saying the words.

When you hear Bert Reynolds saying these crazy things, it's astonishing. Oh, that's funny. I like that. All right. It is just word salad and just one shibbleath after another and you're like, wow. But look, the fact of the matter is, the guy is still polling in the top three for the Democrats for president. No matter what he does. We've been through this. You and I have been through this a gazillion times. And, you know, the other part is, you considered getting in the gubernatorial race a couple years ago. I was like Pratt during COVID.

Somebody's got to do something. I guess I'll have to do something. No, and I remember, and you came over, we started talking about a little bit. And then I know you had some health stuff and didn't do it. But a good person like you doesn't, for the most part, people don't want to deal with all of the baggage it comes with. You know, they haven't tried to fully.

That's across the table here. She does not want to deal with that. But that's a perfectly rational, decent thought to have. My God, they're going to come. for my family. They're going to come for my children, my finances, blah, blah, blah. Now, they, in a weird way, they haven't, unless I'm missing something, they haven't fully done that with Pratt yet. So I think it's possible that they're, you know, he still is doing, he's on his rocket ship right now, right? Right. He's getting a real high right now. They could be,

feels like maybe they're just waiting. Well, he's, I think he frames something very well. He goes, we need adults right now. That's the overturn window stuff. And he goes, can you imagine, I'm the adult? That's the perfect frame because he is not known for being a good guy or an adult. So he's already put it out there. Like, I'm the adult. This is crazy. But think about it. Right, but that's what I'm saying.

So think about it. Even though, again, I don't know that much about his other political beliefs, right? Or if he even cared about any of this before two years ago. And yet he's the best hope. So what does that tell you? You're just not going to get, you know, you know who would have been a great mayor? It was Rick Caruso, but he did not win. So here you have a qualified businessman who dealt with fires before and his, his mall did not burn down.

Yeah. Because he prepared for climate. change or whatever's causing these things. You basically had the perfect guy with the pedigree that could have been mayor. You didn't choose him. So, okay, the next guy that is basically like, hey, I've got the kind of similar, I'm a businessman, I've got money, I can do it, I don't want to save my community. But he's like, well, we saw what happened there.

So we'll leave it to the reality star. Well, I think that's, again, we started this conversation, talking about the lack of trust that's out there. And if somebody is successful in business, the presumption is they must be a cheater, they must be, you know, something. And I kind of get it, but then you're going to have to go with Pratt. I think it was just because he was a Republican. Did you happen to see, maybe your producer can grab it about three or four days ago,

I put up a tweet. It's a picture. I was driving down the highway in Florida and I drove past the Ken Griffin Cancer Research Center at the University of Miami. I have never noticed that before. It's been there for a while. But Ken Griffin, of course, is the one that Mom Dami stood in front of the Gated tear and said, 238 mills. this is the guy. And now Citadel is moving to Miami. They're debating whether they're going to keep any presence in New York. So again, you're literally going, hey, here's the guy, go to the house, burn it down, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. AOC did the same thing with Amazon. Long Island City could have been a massive center of economic growth. But my parents, my parents live in the same house that I grew up in

since they moved there in 1979, still there now. And when Amazon was moving there, houses were selling like crazy because everybody was realizing there's all these new people coming in. So people that were kind of getting ready to sell suddenly were starting to sell house prices went crazy. She kills the deal. They lose 21,000 jobs. House prices go down. And she's the good guy. Dave Rubin, pleasure. Thank you for being here. Can we do this? Oh, we're going to do this in Florida in about two weeks. We'll do this every week on Thursday. We'll come back here every week.

You guys are great. I enjoyed the sell CS. I appreciate it. I'll sit in that seat. You'll be back in Miami. We'll do actual friends. Yes, but I will see you in Miami in a week or so. Yes, exactly. Oh, my God, it's coming fast. All right, my friend, you've got to go down to stuff. Susan's going to drive you there, and I will see you very soon. Good to see you, my friend.

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My pleasure. We are going to take your calls at 8333D-R-A-W. Robert Livingston is the founding partner of the Livingston Group and former member of Congress from Louisiana. You can follow him. Let me give you some of the details. Oh, Caleb, these things are out of whack now where you put these things. He doesn't have any social media, so it's just the website.

Okay. That's why it's not there. So the website is Livingston GroupDC.com. His book is called The Rainbow Chaser, the man who gambled for success and broke even amongst other things. He's a graduate of Tulane. He previously served as assistant U.S. attorney

and chief prosecutor. And as I said, the rainbow chasers. The new book, the old book is the windmill chaser. Congressman, welcome to the program. Thanks very much, Dr. Drew. Good to be with you. Let's open by talking about the book. Tell me why should I read it?

Well, the book was not ever intended to be have been written uh but after 80 years of with a relatively good uh and successful career both uh two years as an listed man in the navy six years as a prosecutor 22 years as a member of congress and 28 years and successful business i got a knock on the door from the FBI uh when i was just turning 80 uh my wife and i uh welcome the two agents in I've spoken to FBI agents all my life for background and information on various things, both in Congress and out. So it didn't occur to me that this was a problem.

But we spoke for two hours. The woman thanked me for my service. I thought that was fine. And then the guy handed me a subpoena for all my records for a problem, for a case that I represented five years earlier. represented Julia Timoshenko who ran against Mr. Zelensky

who ultimately became the president of Ukraine. He beat her but while she was running she wanted to get closer to the United States and I wanted me to show her around, introduce her to politicians and think tanks and press

and that sort of thing so that it would enhance her campaign. And it did that for 10 months. And we reported everything and when you represent a foreign client, you got to report, follow the law and report everything. We did it. Reported all the visits. And then I get the subpoena. And I was puzzled. My wife was puzzled. We called the FBI, I mean, the U.S. Attorney, the next day, said, are we a target?

The guy said, yeah, they told you, you were a target. We're going to investigate you. We're possibly going to indict you, take you to court, convict you if possible, and send you to prison. Well, that made my day. So I immediately got on the phone and started calling around and I got experts and document retrieval and very expensive lawyers and we started fighting it and we fought it for 20 months. Dr. Drew, frankly, I wrote the blue. because I was mad. I was angry. Not only did I have to fight it for 20 months, not only did I know that if I had been charged or if it had hit the press, I would have lost my business, or I could have been taken to court, or I could have been convicted and even sent to prison.

I fought it. I never had a problem in my life. I love this country. I was a prosecutor. It never would have occurred to me to pick out a person. and charge them for who they were. But I'm a Republican. I have been a active Republican my whole life. And when I started looking into it, I realized that I was just one of many during the Biden-Garland administration.

When Merritt Garland, Attorney General in the District, in the Department of Justice, sought out countless people, not only January 6th. Actually, they began with President Trump. They went after him unmercifully, both in civil and criminal courts and in various states and in the federal government. And he beat them. And I fought them for 20 months and I beat him. But as I looked into it, I started realizing there's a list of people who were victimized because of who they were.

You know, Leventi Baria, who was the chief executioner for Joseph Stalin when he was headed the Soviet Union, said, show me the man and I'll show you the crime. And that's the type of activity that these guys have been using. Lawfare, and that's what it is, didn't just begin with the Biden administration. It's gone through the beginning of time. When a monarch, a king, a dictator, wants to target a person, they can do it. and they can ruin their lives. They can destroy them. They take everything they have and put them in prison.

But Biden administration, under Merrick Garland, refined that to a fine tooth go. They just really took on a lot of people, a heck of a lot of people, and ruined their lives. And so my book not only described my background and how they came at me and how I won, but also a lot of other people and how they were mistreated, not only by the Biden administration, by other prosecutors throughout time, some Republican, some Democrat. But the bottom line is I just thought that it was important enough

to stand up to them and win and beat them. And you know why I was able to convince them that they were barking up the wrong tree? in the final analysis, after 20 months of fighting, 20 months of lawyers investigating, speaking to all my employees, my witnesses, and everybody who had, we came to the conclusion that yes, they were coming at me, but they had charged me with representing Julia Temashenko for 10 months and reporting everything while they, while Julia, Temichenko had been represented by a Democrat firm for four years, and they hadn't reported anything. But guess who was investigated? So when the dust settled, the status of when we filed a brief, we never heard another word from them until the statute of limitations told. We called them and said, look, are you going to come at me or not?

They said, oh, no, never mind. We're not interested in that anymore. And I just, frankly, was so upset that I sat down and took my year. I wrote a book about it. What do we take from this? I mean, there are so many things that have been exposed in the last couple of years about our government that is profoundly, deeply disturbing. I look at how the public health system overreach goes. I look at the fraud and abuse that's being uncovered.

And now the lawfare stories that are coming out. What is the, I guess I have two questions, which is what are we to learn and what are we to do? Well, law fair in and of itself, whether it's used by Republicans or Democrats, is an abusive government. It's the use of authority against the citizen, the individual.

And as I say, it's been going on since the beginning of time. But it's devastating. When people get charged, particularly if they're not sophisticated. It's been going on since the beginning of a time. And that is precisely why we've established the form of government that we established was to exactly prevent this, all this. And yet now here we are. So when I think about these three things,

overreach of public health, fraud and abuse, lawfare, To me, it is that the government needs to be knocked down a giant notch and out of our lives. It was never the purpose of this federalized system. Our Constitution is the greatest document on Earth and the Declaration of Independence. And because of our Constitution, we brought more wealth and prosperity not only to our own people, but to people all around the world. But our Constitution is only as good as the people who implement it. And I heard your discussions with Dave Rubin earlier.

The fact is we have too many people in government, be in the legislative, the Congress rather, or White House or elsewhere, too many people in government in recent years who have disregarded and thumb their nose with the Constitution and just move forward for their own purposes, for their own political convenience or objectives, and that's what's dangerous. The Constitution demands good people. Honorable people live and prosper in this country, but if bad people take hold, it's skating bar on the door and we're in for bad problems. And by the way, I track a little bit of how it happened in recent years.

I really laid the cause at the feet of Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton knew that she was destined to be president, and she was going to use every trick in the book, fair or foul, to become president. But she had stifled some 30,000 emails in her own private server, contrary to the rules and laws of the State Department, and the regulations of the government. She had to get around that.

And so what did she do? She trumped up, to use a phrase, trumped up a fictitious case involving Russian activity, Russian delusions against President Trump, and literally ruined as much to the degree as possible, but he won anyway. And so she declared him an illegitimate president, And for the next two years, he had to face the Russian delusion investigation.

And then he was impeached by Nancy Pelosi twice. And so he was definitely the worst victim of this kind of stuff. But they didn't stop. They couldn't stand the fact that Trump had beat him, not once and later twice. And so they have gotten determined, and particularly in the Biden administration, they determined to go after every political enemy, religious protesters. right-to-life protesters, school board people who showed up

because their kids had been molested and they protested at the school board and were arrested. The January 6th protestants, the peaceful ones, not the violent ones, the peaceful ones, were mistreated by the entire legal system, including the courts in the Washington, D.C. area. So the thing goes on and on.

I just one of the worst cases that I saw was Governor Bob McDonnell of Virginia. Bob and Donald was a wonderful governor, and he was well-liked by Republicans and Democrats alike, and he served in four years because that's the limit in Virginia. Two weeks afterwards, this guy, Jack Smith, who's saying Jack Smith who went after President Trump time and time again and was spoiled, went after Bob McDonnell. He indicted him.

He tried him. He convicted him. McDonnell fought it all the way. He lost his family was dissolved. His reputation was ruined, even though he had been on the short list for Attorney General or various other high offices. The guy was a wonderful politician,

but his life was ruined. He appealed it. He lost on appeal. He took it to the Supreme Court. It cost him tens of millions of dollars in attorney's fees. And yet he took it to the Supreme Court and unanimously unanimously, unanimously the Supreme Court rule that Jack Smith had indicted him for something that wasn't even a crime in the first place. That's the kind of thing that is just unforgivable, but it's not isolated. It's something we all have to be alert.

There is a dark state. There are people in office or past offices who have missed. used our Constitution and have sought to impose their power forever and repress. Right now, we're seeing in Virginia alone, the new governor. She said she would never redistrict the court, their congressional districts, but she did. She did exactly what she said she wouldn't do. And she's an emblematic of some people in the Democrat Party who don't give a damn about the Constitution.

and that worries. Well, Trump said it himself. If they can come for me, they can come for you. And so what do we do? What is the solution other than reading your book and becoming aware of these things? And by the way, can you guys sue for anybody that's watching will read the rainbow cherson

because it pretty much spells the problem. We have to expose it. We have to expose those people. when a James Carville gets on television and brags that if they take power, they're going to stack the Supreme Court and they're going to rig all the districts and they're going to seize power and never turn it back to the Republicans. You better believe it. You better fight back.

Wild. Caleb, you keep throwing up the Arcadia mayor there. I don't understand the connection to that story. He was talking about like the government corruption and how. people are using their positions of power and abusing them. And this is an exact, this is exactly along the lines of what he's talking about is the Arcadia mayor was caught literally, literally being an agent working for China in secret. Like in the indictments in the documents, it shows how she receives a we chat message

from her Chinese handler. And she calls him, like, thanks leader. And then posts it exact copy onto her websites and was elected mayor of Arcadia. I mean, that's espionage to be. that's all where the Russians did it that way for a long time and now China's doing it. Go ahead, Bob. It's something that we have to expect. And I think that it's more insidious because we can expect it from the Chinese. We can expect it from the Russians. But we shouldn't have to expect it from American citizens who just simply want to seize power and corrupt the system. And yet,

we're faced with that. They're just as bad as those people that are reaping espionage on the country. you got to get you on social media why not a social media presence for you in your book well i've done a little bit i'm doing radio tv stations and the podcast and thank you again for having me on uh i'm 83 years old i'm not too good at social media that's the answer the question um you're one of your kids or grandkids somebody's got to do it to help you out but listen uh i appreciate you being here i appreciate you fighting the fight and writing the book and yeah, I get very frightened when I hear these stories. It is, it's, again, I've become quite crestfallen that this brilliant system is being so adulterated.

But I hope people do fight back. Thank you, Bob, for joining us. Thank you for having me. Really appreciate it. You got it. Let me quickly take a call here from this is Kelly. Yeah, Kelly, you wanted to ask a question. Go ahead.

Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I just wanted to ask to see, I mean, like, censorpratt. Like, I'm native Los Angeles resident. I mean, I was born and raised here. Um, I just feel like his past is kind of his conspiracy theory, uh, adjacent views on financial recklessness. Like in the past, it kind of makes him a risky bet for like competence to be the mayor of

Los Angeles. So does I not, what is his past again? What did he do? I mean, well, 2012 and like blowing him and Heidi blue $10 million in fear of the Mayan apocalypse. Their entire fortune because they generally believe that the world is going to end. Which left them in like financial ruin. Again, that's interesting.

Let's look at it. I don't know what to believe anymore. So let's look at a pre. What is the nature of this conspiracy? What's that? I think it was like, I think the date was December 21st, 2012 was supposed to be, I think that might be the incorrect day, but it was December, I think 21st of 2012 was alleged to be the Mayan apocalypse.

I remember that's true. I don't recall it. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. So this is whenever, it was a social media thing. Everybody was freaking out because there was the Mayan calendar that supposedly said the apocalypse was going to be coming, I think, December of 2012.

This was Heidi and Spencer. He said in an interview that they had made. $10 million and then spent $10 million on preparing for this apocalyptic moment. This is something that happened, what, 13 years ago? Now, you have to remember, he was a reality star back then. I'm sure he was exaggerating spending $10 million on that. I think what's in that $10 million, what he's saying is more so he had a business. He had a business selling.

People do extraordinary things to stay on reality TV too. I mean, there's all kinds of, if you really look, dig into some of the stories where people spend crazy amounts of money to maintain their appearance that the shows required or their, whatever their narrative was. But yeah, it's concerning, but I do, I, if you have concern, I'm not voting in the Los Angeles election. I'm in Pasadena. But he thus far seems highly pragmatic and solution-oriented. and he has said repeatedly he's going to bring the right people in. Can you trust him to do that? I don't know.

You know, you have to, everyone, every voter's got to make that decision. I just like the fact that the, he's blown open the discussion. And you can say things like, I'm sorry, we can't have drug. Yeah, we can't have drug addicts dying on the street. Can't do it. They got to get up, move, and come somewhere. We've got something for them. But let's do that.

But the fact that the other two are not anywhere near any of that is so profoundly concerned. But, you know. At least a one, a front run. I mean, I'm saying, it's like the lesser of three evils, I guess. You know, but it's like, to be fair, the city is like a huge part of like everything. You know, it's like California. Well, you know, and Kelly, you know what I would say here? I think here's a good practice is to see where he's doing interviews and listen to them

and see if he's making sense and to see if you're convinced. I mean, you know, Dave Rueblo was just a minute ago and said, you know, Rick Caruso would have been the proper choice, right? he's a successful businessman. He knows how to build things. He knows how to protect things from fire. He did it himself. But the people of Los Angeles won't have that.

So you get this. Okay. It's at least trying something different. I know. I just, it's just, and I have watches. And I absolutely have dedicated to time. I'm going to get, I listen to everybody's because I do care about, you know, I'm from here.

I walk down the streets and see everything that's, you know, the poor. Well, maybe we got to get you running for politics. What I like about all of this is, this is supposed to be, Alex is to Talkville, a French nobleman came here at 1820 and tried to figure out why democracy worked in America wrote a famous book called Democracy in America.

And his conclusion was it worked because of the local practice of democracy. That everybody got involved. People voted in classrooms. People became public servants in one capacity or another. And then went back to their private lives. And we've lost track of that. and I say Kelly for, I don't know, whatever we would interest you. Let's get in there and be a part of it.

Okay? Okay. Thank you for listening. All right, you got it. Thanks for the call. All right. Let's throw up what is coming ahead for us. We have, I believe, Russell Brandt in here tomorrow. He was unable to come in person.

Patrick Nashley-Sullivan. Salty Cracker returns on Thursday. Eric Bowling, Gloria Romero. Let's see, Andrew Yang coming in. That's fun. He and I did a reality program together, and Brad Williams is with him. Fantastic. Dreia de Mateo is coming. So a lot of great guests coming. I can't see the rest of the cameras in front of me.

It's hard for me to see these lists when they go up on the screen. But we appreciate you all for being here. Let me quickly check the rants and the restreams. Where are you guys? okay. Oh goodness. We're getting some conspiracy theory going in the Rumble rant. Okay. Somebody has an issue, but somebody does know the difference between you're, meaning belongs to you and you are your. Okay. Yeah, Poppy Golden Sun says, according to the constitutional records, congressional records, congressional records, when a national emergency is declared, the constitution is basically suspended. that is true and that is a wrinkle in the Constitution that needs to be managed.

The problem, I don't really mind actually if the elected officials can do that in a national emergency from the legislative bodies. What I mind is appointed public health officials who have no business, making those, either declaring the emergency or taking away people's rights and privileges, that's where I have the problem in this equation. And that is one of the small wrinkles in this whole phenomenon in our Constitution where it doesn't work properly. And we have seen it.

All right. So I'm going to wrap this thing up. I appreciate you all being here. And we will see you tomorrow is Wednesday. So we'll be at 4 o'clock Pacific time. And I will have met with somebody from the HHS about some of the, their initiatives as it pertains to treating addiction and having recovery programs more available. I'll let you know what I learned from that.

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