Ask Dr. Drew - Dave Rubin: Kristi Noem Controversy, Biden's Parkinson's Features & California Spiralling Into The Abyss – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 379

Episode Date: July 14, 2024

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Wait, start over. There we go. As I like to say, because it's true, he needs no introduction. The great Dave Rubin in the house, host of the Rubin Report. You all know it. Author of Don't Burn This Book, Thinking for Yourself in the Age of Unreason. And we were just talking about we need to help people wake up. How do you get people to wake up?

You hit them with a frying pan. Slow down. You're slow. You're wrong, my friend. We're do you get people to wake up? You hit them with a frying pan. Slow down. You're slow. You're on, my friend. We're going to get you in here in a second. You can follow on X at RubinReport. You can follow RubinReport.Locals.com. Of course, Dave was a founder of Locals and very much involved in Rumble as well.

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I'm fine, Drew, but I don't want to complain to start, but something's happening to me, and you're a doctor. I know you're not a doctor of the eyes specifically, but so I got glasses a couple of weeks ago because of the close reading, right? And I've been wearing them for the iPhone like this. I put them on, old man. They're actually very similar to your glasses, very nice. I've also had to increase the size of the font. I'm now giant font as well.

You need to increase the power of those lenses. Okay. What do you have going there? I don't know. I was, someone checked me and then they did something. they usually go, for whatever reason,

they go a little light on the close reading one. I think so. You know, I had like a Lasix procedure. I had radial keratotomy, which was a disaster afterwards, but I could see beautifully at a distance, but they don't tell you that you completely lose your closeup.

And so I practically have to have magnifying glasses and I read constantly. That's not in the fine print somewhere. We're going to fix all your other stuff. You know, how about the fact that I didn't think about it? I'm such an asshole. And so, and I do a lot of dermatology and I had to look up close and I'm like,

oh, come on. I lost that too now. So anyway, so enough about the, all right, enough. I'll ask you other medical questions that you're not fully a expert in off air. No, no, it's okay. But it's enough of the old man talk. That's the stuff I want to I don't want to turn people off

with that. But you you did say something to be speaking of medical stuff that your twins Yeah, right. Do people know about this? We talk about? Okay. So Dave's partner, Dave's partner, David. That's confusing. That's more confusing than any of the rest of it. It's not because Dave is Dave. Dave Rubin is Dave Rubin. Yeah.

And you said to me something interesting that the governor of Florida helped you arrange surrogacy and all the transfer of all the complicated things you needed to do to get these two pregnancies completed. Well, long story short, what happened was we very publicly fled California. Everyone knows that story already. And we're always trying to drag the Pinskys there. And I know that one day it's going to happen. But I don't want to- You got Sage Steel. We got Sage Steel. And I've brought in many, many other refugees. We have several refugee

camps. We feed them for a while. And then we make sure they have the proper nutrition to get out there on their own. And it's working quite well. And then we don't need any voter ID or anything. Exactly. Meat sticks for everybody, and then go build a life in the free state of Florida. No, but what happened was we had two surrogates that were pregnant here in California because that's where we began the process. And then post-recall election, having gone so poorly, that was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back. And when we left, when you move to a new state or even anytime, surrogacy or not, generally OBGYNs, they don't want to take on a pregnant woman in the middle of the pregnancy.

They like going from beat one just so that they have all the proper, they've seen the history, et cetera, et cetera. And I didn't know what to do. And I happened to be at a dinner with Governor DeSantis and Casey, his wife. And when we just moved to Florida and she said, if there's anything I can help you with, let me know if you need advice, where to go shopping, like literally anything. And I said, actually, this is going to sound nuts, but I do need advice. We need help finding an OBGYN. And the funny part about that is that that was at the height of the ridiculous media firestorm around don't say

gay so here on one hand every day you open up the new york times or you look at cnn and it's ron desantis hates gay people and blah blah and meanwhile i have his wife literally helping us get the ob-gyn that that uh helped obviously birth our son they didn't say gay i said no no we were not allowed to say gay but the kids are here and they're happy and they're healthy and they're great as long as nobody says the word gay so but but it was just one of those things you know this like when we're talking about another one of those well it's just another one of those things where we're talking about the news and then something happens in your life that is so counter to what the the actual reality or the narrative is the reality is so counter to the that that you just you're just like oh oh, God, here we go again. Have you heard of Gell-Mann amnesia?

I think I brought this up to you before. Maybe I'm having it right now if you brought it up to me before. It's a different kind of amnesia. Gell-Mann was a physicist, famous physicist, who recognized that whenever he opened the paper and read a story about physics, it was just completely wrong. Oh, yes. We have talked about this. Yes, yes. And when he read the rest of the paper with complex world history, world events,

he thought, well, this is right. Whenever you get a story about yourself, whenever you have, let's put it this way, whenever you have a direct connection to the stories, you realize how far the press is from reality. Well, if people want to see a good one right now, once you're done watching this show, just Google anything about the France elections

in the last week, and every single, every single story about the France elections in the last week. And every single, every single story about it says the exact same thing. Left parties unite to stop the far right. So the left is never framed as far left. So they can be socialists and communists and Antifa and jihadists. They're never far left, but quite literally anyone that is on the right is now far right. This is one of the things. Well, you and I have both. I saw you tweet about this, and let me refine what you said a little bit.

Please. They don't say far right. They say extreme right. Oh, extreme right, far right, all right. The droite extrême. Yeah. And I watch this. I just have so much fun watching the French.

I speak a pretty good French. It's very entertaining. And they have today in France started talking about the extreme left. Oh. And Marie Le Pen was complaining about this. Why is anything. Yes, I saw that. Yeah, anything slightly right of left, extreme right.

We just want you to be fiscally responsible. Why is that extreme right? And the American press is the one pushing the bullshit. Right? Of course. Well, that's nice to hear that maybe there's a little pushback in France. They debate. They debate in good conscience there. They start, they get a little excited on the press side, but they listen to the people they're debating with.

And I just heard from three hours ago, Moulin Chon is the bad guy in this. He's a problem. And they're all kind of recognizing this. And some of the old timers who got reelected into the assembly are stepping forward and saying, look, we're going to have a detente. We're going to have a, what did he call it? He had a name for it.

It was essentially like, shoot, it's a word like a coming together kind of word. And we're going to horse trade. We're going to figure this out. And the right and the left are going to have to get together and sort of figure out where we can agree and disagree. And we all have the desire to do what's good for this country. Or if I've heard them right, I think if they don't really have

an effective government within a year, it dissolves again. Well, that would be just... I think that's what I heard. Listen, I am by no means an expert in French politics. But the fact that Marine Le Pen's party got 34% the vote which was the most and then 46 46 where did the third i don't know where it over here is she said it multiple times in the interviews i heard and they never corrected her 40 so this time you mean 34 yeah oh yeah the original though was right the original right right yes yes they got like 30 so but the point is, it was the most amount of votes

and then still was not able to form a government because the lefties do what they do because, as a general rule, they're collectivists, so they all came together to stop that. And what was most interesting about it, I thought, was that I saw the speech that Marine Le Pen gave after winning that first round, and her speech, again,

and this is the quote-unquote far-right, extreme-right person, it was all about liberty yes and classically liberal values classic and not and defending borders but not being racist it was i mean if it's just again it's just one of those things that it will never stop no matter how many times we expose the nonsense it will just well the french are pretty smart and they're sick of it that's what you hear constantly like they are not listening to the will of the people. They're making deals and they're getting around the will of the people and they are pissed.

I mean, I spoke to, I had dinner with a friend last night who was in Marseille a couple of days ago. Which Marseille is one of the most liberal cities. But he said that at the airport, it was basically, you would not have known if you were in Syria or Saudi Arabia or Lebanon. Now, that's just something that the people of France have to grapple with. And we'll see. It's what's mobilizing them.

It's what they're trying. They're really trying to figure out, what does it mean to be French? Is it something you just throw in the trash can? It's over? Or is it something we have to defend? And how do we defend it? And I told you at dinner, which I want to talk about our dinner. And thank you for that dinner.

Yeah, my pleasure. Are we free to speak about it we are free to speak about it we are going to make fun of adam carolla in just a moment trust me we're getting there susan will love this but um marie le pen what was i said oh yeah i told you at dinner that the one thing she has said that i thought sounded conservative to me was she wants to reinstitute uniforms for grammar school kids and the teachers have to be referred to with the formal term voo instead of two and uh the fact that they call teachers they still when you go on tv in france you have to say voo or they'll correct you but the teachers know right right right that's an extreme position again boy that does sound like something that must be stopped at all costs it's so funny it's so ridiculous uh on my phone just you know i one thing about the iphone is every once in a while the uh it'll pick up the recording oh

congratulations now people are going to hear what we're saying drew thankfully this is going to my son i'm tempted to send it to him just to freak him out and see what he says. But there we go. You think they're listening to us on these things or what? Now they type it out for us. The ones that always happen when you're staying Well, Susie might have won an exam. Yeah, that's a numbers game actually.

That's what I was thinking. So Dave put on this wonderful meal at a restaurant in a closed room with a, as he has a long history of bringing together interesting people. He went full force during COVID in the name of COVID. I'm sorry. I keep banging the mic here in the name of COVID. My producers look at me with that meanness. Yeah. Stop banging. Come on. Is this your first day? Where the phone gets that idea. But you tell your story through COVID because I've had some great meals over at your house. Yeah, well, basically I just,

after 15 days to slow the spread or two weeks to slow the spread, whatever they said, literally the next day, I remember I was watching the Golden Girls on TV land. We still had cable at the time and every single commercial was about the new normal. Yeah, as is my custom. I can do Golden Girls all you want. And every single commercial was about the new normal. Yeah, as is my custom.

I can do Golden Girls all you want. And every single commercial was about the new normal. And I thought, this is nuts. How did we go from two weeks to slow spread to the new normal suddenly? And then coupled with the draconian lockdowns and all the stuff that we always talk about, I just thought, I am going to continue living my life to the best of my ability. And I'm going to walk my dog. And I'm going to have people over for dinner and

all of those things uh we moved in the middle of covid to a nicer area because the riots went right by our house in sherman oaks i didn't know oh yeah the riots went interesting i don't even know that you came to ever came to our sherman oaks house no so it was right off ventura there so at the height of the summer of love and people knew where i lived and then yeah it started getting a little nutty and our mailbox was being broken into constantly. So I thought I was sort of ready to leave California at that point altogether. But I thought at least we'll move to Encino up the hill a little bit. It'll be a little more difficult.

The protesters are usually fat and decrepit, so they won't want to go up the hill. However, we got there for about a year. And then, yes, we threw some fantastic parties. I mean, basically every weekend, as many people as I could get get together either around a table or just open the doors to the house and you sort of pulled from all spectrum you know all kind there were a lot of independent thinkers and a lot of canceled people i would get i mean anyone that had been canceled or was on the verge of cancellation or you know the part that i thought was the funniest was i would often have you know usually you have a dinner party you're in world, like people take pictures at the

table, this, that, or the other thing. At these parties, it was always like, wait, did that person take a picture? Did he take a picture? Did she take a picture? Was I in that picture? There was a lot of that. But I had a great mix of people and fun people. And I think it was one of the things that allowed me to not go completely insane while

I was trapped there. And we were thrilled that you guys came to many of them. And so that was sort of what I wanted to recreate the other night. The one thing you missed. I don't have the house anymore, but it was a nice room. It was a lovely room. And among the, well, it was, can we say who was it?

Yeah, I think we can say. So Sage Steele, who was terrific. I'm really trying to get on her show. We will make that happen. Oh, so if you have something to do about it. She's a great, great interviewer, by the way. I just did that yesterday. And she revealed to us some history

about her having been a shy person, which is, again, kind of weird and shocking. But I kind of consider myself the same way, shy. Yeah. And David Sachs, who was great to hear his opinions. Yeah, from All In Podcast. And he was one of the original PayPal mafia guys. Everyone thinks it was Elon and Teal,

but it was about 10 guys that created the entire thing that all became huge tech uh gurus over the years actually the financial piece he was like he was the ceo yeah he was right the ceo exactly ceo oh see what did i say ceo said ceo he's the accountant he's a financial guy but he seems like he's very conversant in tech when you hear him talk and i listened to to the All In podcast that day, and he was advocating for President Biden to do a Bob Dole, which was you go all the way through the election, but take all the money away from the presidential campaign

and move it over to the Congress. Right. Because if you don't, you're going to lose that too. Well, he's an interesting character because he just hosted Trump, a fundraiser, a big fundraiser for Trump at his house in San Francisco. He's not a Trumper, is he? No, I don't think he voted for Trump last time. I can't swear to that.

But he definitely has gone through his own red pilling. I think he probably considered himself largely somewhat apolitical, something like that. Maybe a little bit center right. But I think he has now seen what many of us have seen which putting aside whatever you think about trump or the republicans that's something unbelievably rotten and i would say as close to evil as you can get is happening with the democrat party right now between a president who's clearly mentally compromised a media that runs cover for it and then and then a progressive base that is wildly wildly out of control so i don't think

he wants to be governed by these people and thus he's hosting fundraisers for Trump. Well, good news, Dave. You came to this program just in time for AOC to propose some impeachment papers for Alito and Thomas. Yes, because that really is the problem right now. Oh God. And she's backing Trump.

I mean, even, think how, sorry, she's backing Biden. Sorry, I just, that was a Biden for me. Think how funny that is. You know, you have Barack Obama who came in, you know, whatever it was, 12 years ago on hope and change. And it was the system's awful and we're going to change everything. Now you have Barack Obama backing the 50-year politician

who's 81 with likely some form of dementia or something like that. And now you have AOC, the progressive renegade, also backing the 50-year politician. It's just so, it's so interesting to see all of the nonsense get exposed in real time. Well, my hope is, and maybe I'm wishful thinking here, but my hope is that this extraordinarily dishonest behavior

by the press will causeest behavior by the press will cause people who believe the press to reconsider everything the press says because everything is gel man amnesia. Exactly. Everything is gel man amnesia. I said it on your show, and you pumped it out. It sort of went a little viral, which I can't trust anything in the news. They may be saying something that's true.

I can't trust it. No, it's deeply depressing. I would find something else to do. I really would, Drew, at this point. If the media would do anything remotely close to its job, and suddenly I looked at my numbers and I was like, boy, these numbers are really off because there's other people doing something that's better

and it's more effective. I don't know. I would find something else to do. I love what I'm doing, but I would. And i think it would be better for the country but they simply they are so deep now the the biden thing has fully exposed it it's one thing when a very fine people hoax gets pushed for a while edited clips of this and that the jesse smollett thing you know we can point to all of or the covid stuff particularly because it dealt with science chlorine in the injected in the arm that's so far from what he even even even if you

want to make the case that he was talking about a something like a chlorine a bleach no of course but there was even one in the last couple weeks about him saying he wanted to be a dictator and if you watch the full clip he's not saying he wants to be a dictator he says he'll be a dictator for one day he's it's a joke and then he says just so i can close the border and then he says one other one other thing that he would do but it it wasn't, I will be, it's all just endless nonsense. The issue they're having right now is the lies and the reality are now on the same track. They're usually, there's a distance between them.

Now it's just all in front of all of us. But one of the things that we discussed at dinner was for those of us that do not want a Democrat anymore. And to me, it doesn't matter if it's Biden or Kamala because they're all just interchangeable parts to some extent for a much bigger or a much more nefarious set of ideas. But for those of us that don't want Biden,

put aside what you think about Trump for a moment or don't want a Democrat. In a weird way, the more we expose Biden, the more chance they will get rid of him. And the more chance they get rid of him, the better chance the Democrats will win because then we will watch the system reboot, whether it's Kamala or Gavin or anyone else, the system suddenly, if Biden is out of the way right now, they feel very depressed and everything is about how bad Biden is.

Overnight, it will be Kamala is here to save democracy. Overnight, it will be Gavin and Gretchen Whitmer here to save democracy. And so we better be careful what we ask for. But I'm an American first. How would be Queen Kamala? I mean, it would be like the first black woman president. Let's put her in the Oval Office. Let's get rid of him. And let's put her with the G7.

Let's have her do a little international tour, like Eva Peron. And let's anoint her. And that's what they'll do. And everything else you knew was just right-wing conspiracy. All the previous stuff that David makes fun of before is a right-wing conspiracy. We will be Venn diagrammed into hell. I mean, but that really is the problem right now.

Because I am, just like you and everyone listening, I'm an American first. I want what's best for this country. We are classical liberals. Yeah. And I want the president of the United States, even if I disagree with all of his policies, I want him to be competent. And even if he's doing things I don't want him to do, and clearly Biden has, I still am not happy about this. This is horrific for the country. Just think what Xi must be thinking about what he can get away with this summer if he wants to take Taiwan or what the Ayatollah is thinking in terms of getting Hezbollah to do more with Israel or a

litany of things that we can't think of, that we don't know. Just what the Iranian leadership might do to bring stateside to get, you know, apparently they're involved with all the nonsense. Well, now we're hearing that, that they are actually funding a lot of the campus protests and everything else, which of course, you know, where do they all get the same exact tent exactly you know boy there everyone's going to rei and getting the same exact tent so also at the party was uh the great larry elder who and yeah announced he was leaving politics which really bothered me uh i wish he wouldn't so work on him please i think he did he fought the good fight like the Like the guy, the guy ran out. Yeah. He ran. I love Larry.

We both do. He, he ran as a Republican in California first against Newsom. The system treated him horribly. Supremacy is what the international, the low LA times, LA times. That was one of the most disgusting.

And then of course, you know, he ran for president and the RNC, even though he qualified for the debates, didn't put him on the debate stage. So I think, I think he's just a little bit burned out now, but if I know anything about Larry, all Larry can do is fight for the debates, didn't put him on the debate stage. So I think he's just a little bit burned out now. But if I know anything about Larry,

all Larry can do is fight for the things he believes in. So I think at the moment, he's feeling a little burned by all of it, but we all go through those phases. And then Prager and his wife Sue were there. Dennis Prager, yeah. And then this guy named Adam Carolla was over there. And also Michael Sherman.

Michael Sherman, yeah. But Carolla, my understanding is you were on the Adam Corolla show. Yes. And you had something to report to me about that. Yeah, this is very disturbing because I know you guys have three decades of radio and television and all of these things together. Susan, what's the relationship like now with Adam? What happens every day in terms of- He has a counseling appointment with Drew every day.

Oh, now he's- I'm not counseling, but he calls me every day. He calls drew every day okay oh now and now he's you're now counseling but he calls me every day he calls you like an hour well look i went on his show yesterday and um he said that for all the time that you've spent together and you're an incredible duo that one thing that you do that upsets me if he limits it to one thing well he only wanted to we had a lot of topics to get to. But the fact that he sort of said it that way, actually, it's a compliment coming from him. Is that when he's telling a story, you find a way to blow the punchline for him

before he can get the story out. He was telling the origin story that obviously- Caleb, what are you laughing at? Come on now. That obviously you've heard. He complains about it all the time. Yeah, you've probably heard this 10,000 times. the origin story of how he got connected with kimmel originally the really the problem really the sad part about what i did during his origin story at the table on the other

night um was he was laying it out so beautifully yes i didn't know i didn't know the story i was enjoying it i was like where's this going and i in my head, I went, wait a minute, Adam, they don't know who you're talking about. I didn't understand he was going for a punchline with it. Yes. You've only worked together for 30 years. You have no idea how his mind works. No, I do know very much how his mind works. What I don't know is when a punchline is coming. Specifically, it's that. and I'll jump on it with some information that I it's like Tourette's. And so I'm trying. I'm really it's you know, well, we spent I don't know. I was in the studio for about an hour and I'd say about 58 minutes of it was complaining about Dr.

Drew stepping on his punchlines. I wanted to talk about Biden's brain because everybody wants to talk about that. But no, we had to do it the other way. Caleb, Susan, do you have any questions? You seem to be enjoying this a little bit too much. I'm just recalling all of the effort that we had to go through just to get him to answer his phone on a scheduled appearance

on this show last week. It took us like 20 minutes live on the air trying to get him just to answer his phone for Drew. They've been working together for years. If you noticed when it didn't work immediately, he was like,

okay, I'm out. I was chasing him after that. So, well, I warned everybody. I knew that would happen. If you want to make fun of Adam,

at least a little bit, since he kind of hit you, he were literally ordering. Obviously anyone can order whatever they want. He turns to David Sachs, who's a billionaire, billionaire with a B. And he says, do you want to share a billionaire, billionaire with a B, and he says,

do you want to share a potato? And they shared a potato. I said, Adam, it's on me. Everyone get whatever they want. Wagyu, potatoes, wine. He shared a potato. When do you think the last time David Sachs shared a potato with someone at a restaurant?

I think he liked it. I think he kind of dug it. Because it seems so out of context for the moment. All I know is watching Adam Kroll slice a potato in half and put it on the billionaire's plate. I was like something, this is the socialist dream right now.

It's happening right in front of us. Oh, it's so good. What else did I want to talk to you about? Oh, I am enjoying this so much. What's that? As far as listening to you guys. Oh, right on for Adam. It's funny.

So, um, I wanted to ask you something else about Adam and that's not coming to right now. I do have to take a break right now. I think that's, what's bugging me. Um, you know, uh, I want to ask you a little bit about what your thoughts are about what's happened to Kristi Noem. It's been a very odd. It's very bizarre. Has anything popped today?

Because I know the social media accounts now seem to be down. Correct. Her official accounts. Some people went, oh, it's because she's running for president. That doesn't sound right to me. It looks like there's something up with her, humbly. And I'm a fan. I'm a fan of hers i think she runs a great state yeah i've been to be here i like her we went to the um freedom fest there in rapid

city it was lovely and so you know they it reminds me of florida a little bit people are happy and doing business yeah um but all of a sudden the dog thing like threw her the shooting a dog in a way that was i don't know why i threw her so much even she had a couple very bad media hits after that so first well first off she put the story in the book now obviously there was a ghost writer but like you have to have some accountability for that so if she didn't want it in there that that does fall on her that's gone look this from part of the world where this goes on and we did animal husbandry and part of his aunt dogs and so we do absolutely but. But then of course,

the other thing that got screwed up in the book was that she had met Kim Jong-un and I guess gotten his face. And then it sounds like they have actually never met. And then which show was it? Was it maybe Meet the Press or one of those Sunday shows where they repeatedly kept asking her

and she wouldn't say it wasn't true. She basically was like, I'm not going to talk about the book, but you were on a book tour. You were on the show for the book. I don't know that that has anything to do with what's now happened in the last couple of days, but it does, you know, you should be prepared for those moments. You know, who is the publicist?

Who is the publicist? I remember, I don't remember what the specific was, but I remember, you know, probably 30 years ago when Charles Barkley had a book, maybe he had just retired. He came out with the book and then he suddenly had had to disavow five stories in the book. And it's like, no one thought you wrote the book, but you should at least read the book or have somebody read it to you or something. And the publicist should have you on guard, especially it had already been raised, these issues, hadn't it, before the Meet the Press thing, the Sunday show? Yes. It wasn't as if she was getting hit with it for the first time on live television. People knew

definitely about the North Korea story. That's ridiculous. All right. Dave, other than the Rubin Report on X, do you have your own X handle? It's just Rubin Report. Rubin Report and Rubin Report Show. That's the show clips and then Rubin Report is me. I tried

to get Dave Rubin because it's a defunct account and the guy was impersonating me and he has no followers. He blocked me and I can't get Dave Rubin because it's a defunct account. And the guy was impersonating me. And he has no followers. He blocked me. And I can't get it. Oh, well. Can't get it. Caleb, can you help out with that?

I know you work magic all the time. Yeah, Caleb, you want to work some magic? I might be able to help with that, especially with the new management. He's sort of an evil genius when it comes to this stuff. Yeah. Oh, all right. The only one that has not been helpful at all is Instagram. We can't get Dr. Drew on Instagram.

Some other guy has it and uses it. So he's Dr. Drew Penske on Instagram, but everywhere else, we got it. Is he impersonating you or is he actually a Dr. Drew? His name is Drew, but we don't know his full story, but I guess he's gone by that name for a short time and then they won't give it to us, even though it's obvious there is one Dr. Drew.

Right, that one, you can always, they have to figure out ways to do all these things. Sometimes you can argue, look, if he's a doctor and his name is Drew, then it is what it is. But if it was somebody that was not Dr. Drew that was impersonating you, or even if it was a guy named Dr. Drew who was impersonating Dr. Drew Pinsky, then that's something else.

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to us i can't i cannot get over it and i feel as though the only way i will ever get over it is until first of all a lot of mea culpas are taken like people acknowledge this didn't accomplish anything this is excessive it harmed people i think we're past that point well i worry that people are fearful that by acknowledging they will have some liability. Right. And people do sort of rattle these sabers once in a while where they're like, what do they call it, Nuremberg 2.0 and all this stuff. Yeah. We're never going to get to the bottom of things if they do that, it seems to me. But if we could just get people to say, and it seems to be like on a 10-year time course or something to get this to happen. These were excessive things.

Let's not do that again. And here are the safeguards we're going to put in place to see it not happen again. I'm not going to be happy until that's the case. Am I never going to be happy? No. Well, not in this life. Really? Yeah.

I think not. I think we're in a weird state of our democracy, of our country, where very little of it is working as it is supposed to. We're in sort of a Frankenstein phase where it's been stitched together and in places it works and then in other places it doesn't work. But at a national level, just the messaging about the country and the direction of the country does not feel right. And I think you're right on one hand that there's a liability issue. So Fauci or some of these guys to say,

oh, I really did screw this up, even though they've subsequently admitted a bunch of it was kind of nonsensical or whatever, but to really say, boy, I did screw it up. Or if Walensky was ever to say, I really did push some bad messaging like redfield's getting close it would be nice colin's francis call one of those guys getting close to saying this this was a major screw-up it would be nice but i i suspect it's not going to happen because the apparatus doesn't work anymore the the layer of that which would hear an apology and then go in and then go with you mean the press well but no no press is, forget the press for a second. The press is long gone.

Like to me, even the NIH or the CDC, I don't know that they have the functioning ability anymore to fix what is wrong. We are years into giant government programs. We've hired people for all of the wrong reasons with DEI. And I don't know that those things can self-correct. And especially when you have a Democrat administration that is largely in on it with them. I do think it's possible if a guy that we both like, if RFK, assuming he doesn't become president, let's say, if RFK, let's say, was tasked by Donald Trump to just go in and break up the agencies, that would be a fundamentally

important thing and a job he could do and his whole life has led him to do. that would be a fundamental a fundamentally important thing and a job he could do and and his whole life has led him to do yes that would be a way to get a little bit of what you want but short of trump coming in and bringing him in to do something like that you don't really sense that there's any any hope it is that middle management it's the bureaucrat and and i the guy that taught me paul alexander that the the six feet distancing was invented out of thin air. He was there when that all happened. I was like, yeah, they should have been 30 to 60 feet by what we understood at the time. But Dr. Redfield said, well, we just can't get them to do that.

So 10, 4, 6. Crazy. The whole world went for that. Think about that. But in any event, he also told me he's a Trinidadian gentleman with a heavy accent, and he looks like he shouldn't be in the Trump administration. He sounds like he shouldn't be. And maybe he shouldn't be.

But he was invited to a meeting at a party by the State Department sort of bureaucrats, and so they were socializing. And they thought this guy was one of them. And they brought them in under the tent and said oh you know don't worry about these guys that are elected they're only here for four years at a time we run the cover i mean that's the thing that's when they said that it literally a chill went down my spine this idea that the will of the people is being ignored and french the french are dealing with this right now too and that's kind of why I'm enamored with it, trying to figure out how they can solve all that.

But it is disgusting that a, I was rereading the Gettysburg Address yesterday, thinking, you know, government by the people, for the people shall not perish from this earth. I'm not sure it's on this earth anymore. Well, that's why the best system that, or the best way we can, let's say, separate ourselves from that system,

I hate to tell you, Drew, is to live in a place that abides by those documents. Because at a federal level, it's not working. We see that. That was going to be my point, which is the one thing that does function, and I think is one of the brilliant safeguards of our system, is the states. Did you see a video, there is a video that's going viral today of a lululemon in arlington virginia i think that they that got broke into so it's just one another one of those you know dash in and grab as much stuff then the reporter is standing outside doing a live report explaining what happened and more people run in live on television and steal more stuff and was it mostly peaceful or It was mostly.

Then they burned it down. They threw Molotov cocktails through the window, and it was mostly peaceful. But that sort of thing, in some places, it will continue to be allowed. You can directly connect that with what we're talking about about the agencies, that places and organizations and institutions that have been allowed for so long

to do the wrong thing with no comeuppance or anything else yeah rob twice in two hours in front of the reporter hopefully the reporter part comes up on this it's just fantastic she's standing there well it happened again and here we go it's it's so insane but the point is there it is the actual footage so the point is can can any of that be reversed or taken back? That is them as they are only there to report on what happened right before. It's absolutely crazy. I was in Lululemon today in Century City Mall. I'm wearing Lululemon pants.

Are you wearing Lululemon? Yeah. And you paid for them? I paid for them. You sucker. You sucker. I could have walked in and been like, you think I want to pay 68 bucks for a tank top? Come on, man.

So our buddy Adam Carolla to to sort of drill on him again he's been saying for for since he wrote a book called in 50 years we'll all be checks yeah yeah that was kind of you know that's sort of the he didn't foresee the democratic party becoming that uh but that's kind of what's happened uh and he has for the last three four years been saying to me i kept going adam how long is this going to go on for when is he going to correct what's yeah he go he goes i don't know but it's going to be safe spaces and octagons that's it yes spaces and octagons the some of the people are going to go towards mma and octagons and everyone else is going to be sitting in safe spaces

being victimized. I think that's a great, I'll use that on my show and I'll credit him for it because I think that's a great explanation. And you can see that happening, by the way. The states have become like safe spaces and octagons. Right, so you can see it happening at the state level, but then if you drill it down even further,

you can see it by things like homeschooling, which is exploding right now. You can see it, school choice would be just another version of that. But all of these things where people are just looking at things and getting out of the system, some of this health stuff that you talk about all the time. I was asking about bone protein a moment ago because people are looking and they're going, boy, the food pyramid that the government told us about, this doesn't make any sense. And more and more people are trying to get locally sourced food suddenly.

And people are getting off seed oils now, even though we were told that we should be drinking almond milk in our coffee. And now I'm on whole milk, grass-fed whole milk. And I'd like to get completely unpasteurized milk. But even in Florida, there are laws around that where you actually, if you can go get it at certain stores and it's sold as pet food, it's sold as cat milk. And it says not for

human consumption but you can drink it that's not that's not uh health advice right but the point is that that will be the savior the savior is not the system coming in and will it save or will it separate us all so far that we'll have difficulty getting along well i think likely that but because you at least have a chance in that game states like this are going to fail so badly financially they're going to start leaning on other states for support so my big concern having now left toward to florida and to greener pastures so to speak is that if things really start separating and separating and maybe they have more than we can even see at the moment you know know what I mean? But if that keeps going, I don't think the red states will want much from the blue states.

I really don't. No, they won't. But the blue states will want things from the red states. Yes, that's going to happen. Because the ethos generally of lefties is they want to rejigger society. So they will not just want to rejigger their society. They will still want to rejigger the other people's society.

So that is going to be a tough negotiation to have. Because if you, it's in a divorce, if you have a man and a woman and they just are like, you know what, we're both done, let's walk away, it's fine. But that's not how most divorces work. One person wants more, they can't get over the house or war of the roses, you end up dead on the chandelier. Like there's some version of that

that I think we're going to just see happening more and more. Timely reference of a Michael Douglas film from the early 90s. Great movie. If you haven't seen it lately, it's fantastic. But yeah, I... Are you saying I have to update my references? I'm just saying.

We started talking about vision problems, all kinds of old man stuff. You want to talk about your prostate too? I saw Citizen Kane the other day. I thought thought it was wonderful you've never seen that before no that was a joke i was making i see you i get it as though it's a first run yes incredible yeah that's it was a wonder how i am with punch lines it was no good no bueno i take everything quite literally um yeah you know it's interesting i i'd read once that osama bin laden's plan uh with his terrorism

was to separate the United States into 50 independent countries. That's what he wanted us to do, to sort of have a diaspora amongst our, to undo the federal union, which now looks like heaven to me at the moment. No, I mean, look, 23 years post 9-11, I mean, that's not that out of whack. But again, that might be the one redemption story that we have here but you know it also it brings up there's a gajillion secondary and tertiary problems if you do something like that so florida for example florida could we defend florida well we have a coast you know we're a peninsula so that's beautiful we have a coast

guard and we could expand that and do something we have a simple border basically a pretty straight border with georgia a little saying with louisiana like you could do it but then you still have problems because you know russia has warships in Cuba right now. Well, that's not what's Florida gonna do if that went hot. So that's why all of these things, we can talk about them intellectually. I also don't like really talking them into existence.

I don't like the idea. Don't put it in the universe. Right, I don't like the idea of it. I just know if things continue to, let's put it this way, Drew. If Biden or whatever he represents or Kamala or whatever it is, if they win in November

and we're going to have four more years of just the border situation, then how do we have a country? Truly, truly put aside every other issue. Watch the French. They're struggling with all these issues you've just mentioned in terms of how to function as a federal system.

What are we? They've got a thousand years of culture they're trying to figure out if they should defend or not. And I knew this was going to happen because I sort of went down a rabbit hole on the French Revolution with French historians in French. And they started talking about opening up and looking at the primary documents and reconsidering their ideas about these historical figures, all of them. And they were very pissed about the Napoleon movie, and that's what sort of energized everybody. Oh, interesting. But the historian were already like, hey, maybe these people we have condemned were not all bad. And by the way, they're French.

They're a part of us, and they're part of who we are now. We should understand it more realistically. And I thought, oh, there's going to be a problem yeah once you want a border issue that's what that is yeah exactly well it's also why you know if you condemn as so many of the lefties do if you endlessly condemn the founders for owning slaves if that if that you think is sort of the sum totality of their work and then they choked out these documents that actually did do some good although the lefties often won't even say that. But if the idea is, well, George Washington owned slaves, George Washington's evil, the founding of the country is evil,

then this whole thing is just nothing. It's just shredded meat that is old and not worth chewing, right? And that really is the fundamental problem. So I'm sure you've been to Monticello, Jefferson's home in Virginia. I've never been to Monticello, but I love Jefferson. I've read all his stuff. Drew, you guys must go. I've been to Charlottllo, Jefferson's home in Virginia. I've never been to Monticello, but I love Jefferson. I've read all his stuff. Drew, you guys must go.

I've been to Charlotteville or wherever it is. Right. So if you go to Monticello and you see the grounds and the lands and the house and you get to see some of his inventions and documents and all of that's wonderful. But you take the tour. And first off, one thing that's interesting about the tour is that they focus so much on slavery. I know. Disproportionately, I would say.

And that's just maybe a sign of the times. But they do, within that, fully acknowledge that he obviously was a slave owner. They acknowledge that he most likely had relations and possibly a child. Oh, I'm sure. I think it now is, I think it's now a fact that he had a child with at least one of the slaves.

Sally Hemings. Right, Sally Hemings. So now think about that. I mean, if you you know quote unquote own someone and you like so there's rape kind of i mean it's all yeah all sorts but at the same time he was doing that he was writing the documents and they even take you into the room where he was literally writing the documents to free the slaves that level of of the polarity of our lives is absolutely incredible but if you want to just whittle him down to slave owner,

awful human being, then we can't do this. We actually can't do this. It turns out, again, that's why I have an eye on the French. I feel like they're a couple years ahead of us. When it comes to Napoleon, they call it the legend noir, the black legend, which was he was pro-slavery, and therefore all bad, everything bad, and violent,slavery and therefore all that everything bad and violent and whatever and killed lots of frenchmen everybody else but the but the but the fact that he was a

he was pro-slavery done that's the end of napoleon well one of the first things i saw in these reopening of the books when they were mad about the movie they went back and went now wait a minute he he ended slavery in all the west indies except for this one place guadalupe or something and there there was a slave uprising funded by the royalists against him and so he just said we're going to leave everything in place there till we solve this this problem with the royalists not with the slaves yeah the royalists were using the slaves for their for their bidding and that was his slavery story the thing is drew we're all we're all just people of our time so look i eat you see my

twitter all the time i eat a ton of red meat i'm largely doing a carnivore diet right now i eat wagyu i eat good stuff i love what am i sitting next to right horrible horrible human being but look if if a certain set of people get their way, there won't be red meat. And 40 years from now, as they've also convinced a whole bunch of people that the earth is going to swallow us up through climate change and everything else, our grandchildren will be like, you were one of the people that ate meat

and you posted pictures about it. You should be in jail. Like that really, it's just another version of this thing. And we really have to watch out for that. Well, I'm not stopping eating meat. I think the pushback on that stuff is calm it does it does feel for the first time something in the last year where you can actually push back on climate change without all hell breaking yes i think jordan peterson who's done a hell of a job on almost every front imaginable i think he started some skepticism or at least helped inch some of it into the ether.

And I think that that's really helped. So that's good. I think, again, it's much like COVID. An interesting way to sort of frame it is, well, all their predictions didn't happen. Yep. Except that the climate is seeming to get warmer. It is. But the islands that were going to go underwater have more land.

The coral reef in Australia was going to end. It's having a giant bloom. It's much better. The polar bears are coming back. So in the meantime, let's solve this thing. Let's figure out how to solve it. If we need to solve it, let's solve it. You can also do very dumb versions of it,

which would be that AOC seven years ago told us we have 12 years to live. Does anyone think we honestly have five years? If Barack Obama believed that climate change was real, would he have bought a 30-acre house on Martha's Vineyard, which, by the way, he didn't offer even one acre for those 30 migrants that they sent up there from Florida. For some reason, Barack did just one acre. You could put 30 people on one acre. They could live very comfortably. One of his six homes. He's very famous for saying, when is there enough? You know who also lives on the water? Bill Gates with the biggest house in all of Seattle on the water. All of these people john kerry has put out more carbon emissions through flying

private through his wife's plane that he claimed wasn't his he lied under oath claimed it wasn't his because it was his wife's so so all the hypocrisy all of these things um and actually i think i think maybe you just hit on it really that is why more people are skeptical of climate change because they now see the lies related to everything else. So is this the one that they really got right? Right. And I would hope the Biden thing would expand their skepticism.

Yeah. So let's talk about the Biden thing. This is your chance. You said you would talk to Adam about his medical condition. Yes, okay. Maybe you want to reserve that conversation for me. If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

Yes. Well, I think what we haven't seen, I think it was tomorrow, it'll be two weeks since the debate. And in the 13 days since the debate, everyone knows something is not right. Right. And those of us that are physicians, why my peers have not spoken up about it, I don't know. But it's been obvious for a long time.

If I'm not mistaken, I had you on right before the debate. You were on with Jay Bhattacharya, right? And we were talking about Biden. So right, had you on right before the debate. You were on with Jay Bhattacharya, right? And we were talking about Biden. So about a week before the debate. Now, obviously, many, many people have known about this for years. And what did I say? I described what we were all seeing to another physician, Jay Bhattacharya. I said, what do you call that, Jay, if you're a medical student?

And he immediately said Parkinson's. Yeah. So the point is, what happened there was so profoundly bad. The way that the split screen was and the gaping of the mouth and all this stuff that nobody knows what to do now because it's just so out of control. And again, and I will just keep saying this

to the nth degree, obviously I don't support Biden. I don't support the policies of the Democrats. I have, whatever my reservations are even about Trump, he would be a much better president and we have all sorts of evidence of that, especially because of his first term. But either way, either way, I don't, I want the president of the United States to have his head on straight. I want to believe that he could make some

decisions unless it has already all been handed out to that managerial class that you mentioned. And by the way, if it has the managerial classes, if they're really in charge, which is also known as the deep state, well then who would be the perfect avatar as a president? Wouldn't it be an 81-year-old man who has potentially Parkinson's or something else? Like if you were writing the script, wouldn't that be it? Yeah, a body snatcher, somebody to take over the body. And the Wall Street Journal had a big article today on the inside group that's keeping everyone insulated from the president, and it's scathing. It's a long article.

So they basically say it's scathing you might it's a long article so who do they so they basically say it's hunter and jill no there's a whole there's like five got people that are not what i would call heavyweights and they are calling the shots for the president and i i urge you to look at that article a friend of mine called my attention this morning i was like oh wow what do you make of the clooney thing now because clooney coming out on i know he's a hollywood actor okay fine we don't have to care but he's so so deep in with the Democrats that he didn't want to break or keep in mind, Barack Obama has now backed Biden. Now, the reason I think he's backing Biden, at least for now, is because he knows this is his term, right? He's running, his guys are running the show.

The policies he wanted to get are happening, but Clooney's an Obama guy. So Clooney going against Obama. And again, it's crazy to talk about celebrities as if it matters but there's something there that it's like they're hitting him from every which way and how long can you know a former crack addict and his wife manage that entire operation i don't know i i don't know uh i do it is example to be of the disarray that's in the democratic party there they seem completely fragmented and can, which is unusual for them. They usually all roll in the same direction. But he's not well.

He's not well and has not been well for a long time. And the concerns I have, I don't know him, as I mentioned to you when I was on your show. I don't know what he has. I'm not going to render a diagnosis, but I can. What physicians do do is talk about a differential diagnosis. What are the possibilities causing this Parkinsonian syndrome we're all seeing? He's Parkinsonian. That's just a fact.

Motoric slowing, waxing faces, hypophonia. The speech can't produce volume. He's got rigidity and bradykinesia. If you showed a video of him to a medical student and they didn't call it Parkinsonism, I saw a neurologist say this a couple of days ago, that medical student would be remediated. That's his word. And I thought that is exactly what would happen. We learn about these things by watching videos. That's how we learn about Parkinsonism that is exactly what would happen. We learn about these things by watching videos. That's how we learned about Parkinsonism, things like that.

The question is what's causing it. He had brain surgery twice on an aneurysm. And people, you get gliosis from that. Your brain scars. And you can get all kinds of problems from that. You can get dementias of various types associated with Parkinson's. You can get Parkinson's disease, four out of five of which eventually end up with dementing illness and you know it's his if i had to guess it sort of goes in the parkinson disease zone i mean it

looks like that but they're in a weird way this is what i wanted to say to you in a weird way i i have a sort of a flip of upside down take on all this, which is so much of what we're seeing is the Parkinsonian features, the stuttering, the muttering, the difficulty with word finding or the word production, the slowing, the crazy mask-like faces. That's all Parkinsonism. Why aren't they treating this guy? Well, that's the question. Why are they not treating this guy? It's disgusting. Treat the guy and see if he's able to express himself more clearly and maybe he won't look so

demented i tweeted it out a couple weeks i probably tweeted 10 times over the years but a couple weeks i think it was before the debate i tweeted out the only question that should be asked of biden and anyone in the administration is is he on medication for any cognitive issue because if the answer is yes well we should know and then there's a whole list of questions. And if the answer is no, he clearly should be. Why is he not on Parkinsonian medication? Forget the dementing stuff

because they don't work very well. But we can help with the Parkinson's. Sure. Why is this man not being treated? And when people have their Parkinson's symptoms treated, they don't look so impaired. They look, they have expression again, their speech is more fluid and coming forth more clearly. He might not be as bad as he looks.

And if he is as bad as he looks after being treated, well, then we've learned something. Look, and again, we don't know, but it seems to me that it has to be the latter actually, because how could they, how could it be in a situation right now where he hasn't been on something? I don't know. The medical care seems so in disarray. The way they're, of course we're getting information, but the fact that allegedly the neurologist didn't see Biden except that his physical

and only met with his doctor. And why didn't he speak about the physical then? You said something at dinner that I thought was really interesting, which was that many families get to this point where it's when do you take the keys from dad or when do you take the keys from grandpa? For sure. And if you think about it in that sense, so if we really were trying to like really zoom in on it as Joe Biden, as a man and a family. So let's remove president part.

So, okay. So what does he have? have we now know hunter is seemingly closer but with all of the problems that he's had in his life we have a wife who really does seem to be the driver of some of the kind of quest for power here and some other things he may not have a structure in his family to actually do the right thing to him now that's a very interesting way of looking at this outside of just all the political part yeah no so i thought it was a great way of explaining it. It's so common. So let me lay it out for everybody so they can understand what I'm talking about, is that when patriarchs or matriarchs develop neurological disorders or medical illnesses that start to really take them

away from their family, it's like they're looking like they're starting to fail. And if that somebody has been high functioningfunctioning their whole life, as I said, been a patriarch of the family, and all of a sudden you're wondering, should he really have the responsibility he has? And my goodness, should he even be driving? Do we got to get the keys away from him? At least because he's going to kill somebody.

Home alone. He's going to kill somebody if we don't get the car keys away from him. And what always happens, not always, but the vast majority of time happens is the family goes into certain denial and certain amount of protection and i don't want to upset the the guy he's done such he's been such a great life we don't want him to feel like we're taking over like he's a child which they will the patient will say like i'm not a child i've been driving my whole life my corvette's in the garage i'm driving now you can't stop me the classified documents. The DMV. I know my rights. I'm a lawyer. And you get in these huge conflicts.

And the family often will back down and then protect the identified patient until they can kind of get them to the point where, well, first of all, they aren't convinced themselves that anything should be done. And so they have to kind of convince themselves. Well, they also know he's the meal ticket still and all that. And maybe there's things that they don't want to deal with. Who knows? And so they've decided.

And I think the key ingredient is, and it's pretty clear this is true, the identified patient, the patriarch, doesn't want to stop working. And in my experience, the family protects that in particular. They may take their keys away and give them a driver, but the driver will drive them to work. So I think this is an interesting thing for you to keep talking about, and I'll keep talking about it to the extent that it's a story right now. We're not saying we know it's true, but that kind of feels more right to me in terms of what might be going on here rather than a grand conspiracy. But there is a group. There's a conspiracy element to assure because

other people have to know. You still, if you're bringing in doctors let's say or anything else someone knows someone opens the door at the white house there's a chief of staff so i'm not i'm not moving all blame off anyone else may not be motivating all this it may be motivated from the president with his family and they're doing the job they're supposed i mean also keep in mind just imagine just hypothetically think about it imagine Imagine if the president of the United States really was having all of these issues. Now the family, which again, has been largely frayed and there's a lot of craziness there.

If they don't know exactly what to do and Joe Biden has loomed large over them and helped them get jobs and all sorts of stuff. And now let's say you are a chief of staff or you're someone really close in the White House or you're an aide who really should know about things. It would be very hard for you to be the one to say jill uh we got to wrap this thing up now and and i think so that might that's sort of a it's a conspiracy non-conspiracy

in a way yes and and i the people that should be speaking up are the medical people and again i believe anything now because of covet right so? So I can't get over it. My peers have shocked me in ways I can't believe. This is another version of that. You know, the moment at the debate, which clearly was the worst, was that it was about seven minutes in when he started going completely broken down. And he said the thing about,

we have to destroy Medicare and just blah, blah, blah. And then he started talking around it. That's a specific mechanism of- What do they call that when they have sort of trick phrases to kind of well it's covering it's covering overlearned slogans and things they can just so he has he has a lot of those let me be clear you know he has a lot of these sort of reset phrases and then at times he says stuff that is fairly cogent and fairly like kind of surprises me a little bit and that's okay i that's why i want to see him on Parkinson medication to

see if he gets better well what's interesting in that moment where it was really breaking down there and then tapper did save him because tapper basically was like okay thank you mr president and it's like if we would if if tapper didn't do that he was that was the moment it was only about seven minutes in and the rest was pretty horrible too what really would have happened there i mean he he would have he this is what people with dement. What really would have happened there? I mean, he would have, this is what people with dementias do. He would have made a joke. He would have deflected.

They get very, particularly smart people get very, very good at this and they will do everything they can and then get offensive and angry and sort of pushing back if you go, are you okay? Of course I'm okay. What are you treating me? This is what they all do. But imagine if you go, are you okay? Of course I'm okay. What are you treating me?

This is what they all do. But imagine if you and I were in a debate and I had some moment where I just completely lost my train of thought or I had no idea what I said. And then you said to me what happened later with Trump where he said, I don't think he even knows what he said. Imagine if you had said that to me in a debate. I would say, Drew, actually, let me explain that again.

Maybe I did, or I would have said, Drew, you're being unfair and here we go and but he couldn't even respond to that and and that thing that we now again we're we're sort of reiterating things that everyone knows yes but until we get some more clues here uh this thing is just not going away well and back to this inner circle of five or so people that are protecting him and protecting the flow of information uh pierre jean-pierre what are their names yeah you're you're in france still yeah i i just am no she's i can't believe which i i just don't i just don't answer or go don't get up there i i don't know what to say the flipping of the papers she is she could not you know i used to say about jen saki who was her predecessor I used to say about Jen Psaki who was her predecessor, I used to say she can't say

one declarative statement that's true. If you asked her what her favorite color was, she would say four. And Corinne Jean-Pierre actually is even worse in that sense.

She is running cover all of her body language. I'm not, you know, you should have a body language expert on at some point. Remember when Bill O'Reilly

used to do that? And you watch her in these press conferences and the body language and the way she even blinks. It's condescension though. Oh, it's horrifically condescending. And that's what bothers me is that, hey, just get up and say, I can't answer that.

That's fine. But to treat these professionals as somehow behaving bizarrely for doing their job. But by by the way i don't have a lot of sympathy for those there are some good ones there are some good ones there peter ducey is quite good over at fox there but you know i don't have a lot of sympathy for them because they all should have been doing this all along all along look the fact that the wall street journal uh subjected uh the inner circle to five different investigative reporters to me was like a great sign like somebody's doing their work as a journalist, somebody. Man, who would have ever thought that

this is, I mean, I guess, I guess in some ways we would have thought it right. Because we knew that this is where we'd be with him, but I don't think anyone realized it would break down. I don't think anyone would realize that it would break down so explosively, obviously. I did not expect that. Yeah. I think maybe, you know, I did a video. We have it maybe you know i did a video we have it sitting there i have not reposted it since on the day he was sworn in i did a video saying that there is zero chance he will be sworn in for a second a second term and that if he is sworn in for a second term i will retire that video exists that's how now look i can't be legally held to that so we'll see but the point is that when he was sworn in the first time,

I was already screaming about this and I'm not patting myself on the back. It was obvious then. So come on people, what are we really as a nation going to do in this weird moment? And what I hate the most is this seeming body snatcher phenomenon where he's doing things and saying things

that are so far from who he has been his whole career that it just really bothers me. And also the way Jill talks to, talks to him and about him in public. You're great. You saw, you answered the questions. You're getting a cookie.

Like what? Even that, or you know what the worst one was? Maybe your guys could throw up the video while we're talking. When, when Obama basically walked him off stage. And it's like, that was the weird one to me

because if you were really, if you truly were sympathetic to him, if you were empathetic about what's going on, if you really wanted to hide it even for your own nefarious reasons, there's a way to go up to someone and whisper to them, Joe, we're gonna walk off this way. But Obama held him the entire time

and made it very clear that he was the one gating him out and all of that and i thought that was also a signal of obama saying yeah you could vote for this idiot because i'm in charge oh that's interesting look can we show that video caleb are we allowed to it was the end of the there's a little element here comes that yeah oh it's too far away for us right now well that's him being let off yeah but it was the moment right where he first grabs his hand grabs his grabs his wrist right right right that's an odd move by itself and if you notice if you don't have a trained eye you'd miss he startles like uh which that is that's one of the symptoms also right like it's also related to parkinson's he's just going to kind of strong

and and but doesn't but still is frozen startled but frozen. And Obama pulls him around and then leads him off. Drew, we don't do deep existential psychology often together, but what did we all do to deserve this? What did we do? We the people. We're sinners. We're all just sinners. So we just unearthed all of this, right?

That would be the biblical version of it. You idiots deserve all of this. I'm worried about this issue because I'm not saying that we all have to find religion. But when this all started happening, I said out loud, I think we need a great awakening, something akin to that at least. I didn't expect it to go this way. I said that probably 10 years ago. And when you look at mass formation, okay, Matthias Desmet was telling me that, and we both arrived at the same conclusion,

that the fall in religion, which really contained things like envy and sort of our worst impulses, and envy is really amongst the worst, sort of that became an unrestrained feeling and narcissism kind of started taking off at the beginning of the 20th century. That's really when you see this kind of go.

And narcissism is at the core of a lot of this and an external, what's called locus of control. Like you believe everything happens to you. Nothing's my fault, nothing's happening in me. It's all something I have no control over that happens to me, which is one of the narcissistic sort of phenomena. And I don't know how you get the genie back in the bottle.

And then, by the way, algorithmically charge all of that, right? Incentivize people to be narcissistic, to be envious, and everything else. Now we have literally an AI version of our worst traits pushing back on us or feeding us back, amplifying the stuff that we should, at a human level, try to somewhat control or temper or whatever. I mean, that's the purpose of it. So the last 15 years, I could kind of see this kind of stuff coming,

but I never thought it'd be like this. I always would fall back on what of what i understand about 12 step which is sort of spirituality humility finding you know empathy for others and sharing your faults with other people and being clear about them and managing your shame that's what religion used to do uh and if we can't do it with religion you don't want to do it that way there are mechanisms out there i mean just go read the 12 steps and start living that way. It's very simple. Right, right.

Well, that's a great, I mean, obviously that one's personal to me in terms of my relationship with Jordan and being on tour with him and seeing that through a largely secular lens, not that the book was purely secular. And of course, Jordan's done biblical series and all sorts of stuff. But he wrote a book that was for the secular mind that gave the in essence the religious lessons you know all 12 rules and now subsequently there's 12 more and he's working on another book they're all you know sort of religious in nature 12 rules but i'm first

about talking about the first 12 rules for life that i saw things that that would refer you for all of your years of clinical practice and everything else, that would make you cry, the type of things that I saw, people off drugs, mending relationships. Did I ever tell you what happened in Dublin? If we have a moment, I'll tell you real quick. This was the most unbelievable story that I saw. And I saw the craziest things you can imagine. So we're in Dublin and we're bouncing around Europe,

jet lagged, he's doing 10 interviews before the show. Was this before he got sick or since? This is before he got sick. So this is the year before, this is 2018. So he's doing in you know 10 interviews before the show this before he got sick or this is before he got sick so this is the year before this is 2018 so he's still really on the rise and i'm opening all the shows we're bouncing all over the place 120 shows in about a calendar year it is insane 20 countries and you know sometimes we would land and we were for a moment we didn't know where we were it was just and there would be people it was as if the beatles showed up we literally people would be waiting for us at the airport. It was just, every restaurant we went to, everyone had a story for them, all that stuff.

So that's the easy stuff. And people off drugs and everything else. So we're in Dublin. The show ends about 1 p.m. And you know, at these theaters, as the performer, you can't walk out the front because you're going to get mobbed. So there's always an artist exit, usually in like a dark. But it's always in the alley, which I find hilarious.

It would be the easiest place to get jumped. But anyway, it's about 1 a.m. He's done the the alley, which I find hilarious. It would be the easiest place to get jumped. But anyway, it's about 1 a.m. He's done the meet and greets all day long. He was particularly tired that day too, and he was very rarely tired. But I remember thinking that morning that he was tired. And I even told him that day, you got to ease up on the interviews. It's not necessary.

Anyway, we get out about 1 a.m. We're in this dark alley, and about 40 feet, 50 feet away from us, we see two guys. And it seems as if maybe they're fighting or something, and then they start kind of rushing towards us, and we can't really see them. And at this point, we didn't have security. Think about this. Jordan didn't even have security at the time. It's me, Jordan, Jordan's wife, and the tour manager.

That's it. And we're in this dark alley, 1 a.m. These two guys are rushing towards us, and then as we can see them, we see they are both hysterically crying, hysterically crying. One of the guys looks about 50. The other one looks about 20, 25, something like that. They then tell us they were a father

and son who had had a falling out five or six years before, had not seen each other for five or six years. They both independently read the book, went to the show alone, saw each other at the show and made amends. I'm getting chills right now. It's just telling you the story made amends right there. They tell the story. Jordan begins to cry. His wife begins to cry. John, the tour manager begins to cry. For some reason, I don't cry that much, but a little tear came, but I literally just got chills again, telling you the story. And I thought, and the reason I'm telling you that of course, is that he's giving secular lessons, which is largely what we should want as a mostly secular society. But obviously not everything can be done through pure secularism.

Well, and to the extent that it can be, it starts the process. And then you decide if you want it to be a fully religious thing or not. And yeah, men, we have to do more as men. And I think that was one of the messages that sort of Jordan was getting at early on. And I really think that's, we like to be problem solvers as males. And I think we need to like step up a little bit or something.

Well, I can tell you as a new father, one thing that everyone keeps asking me, what have I learned and all that stuff? I mean, the one thing that I've learned so far, or I've learned obviously many things, but I would say the main driver that I've learned so far is that every morning when I wake up, these two kids rush at me or if I get them out of the crib, they rush at me with the most open world, open eyes, joy, happiness. They think I am the greatest thing in the world. So I think, I think, no, but I think it probably will, or it were definitely will. But I think that thus it's showing me that my challenges, I may as well try to be as close to that as possible. And so that

would be the challenge. So I am definitely a better person now than I was two years ago. And that doesn't mean I'm perfect. I absolutely am not. But I really feel that with them when you see that. There's the ultrasound with you and David. Fantastic. I was not as good a person then. That was pre-John. Well, I like the Dave we have right now. That's the only one I really think I feel like I've ever known.

That guy threw good parties, though. Okay. But Dave, thank you for coming by. And you came all the way up to the San Gabriel Valley here, Susan. I don't know where I am. I have no idea. I actually fell asleep in the Uber, and I have no idea then i got out of the car they the susan was standing at the door i i was like where the hell am i it's hot it's like a time

zone time trip here we're against the mountains you know the hills that you see off in the distance in los angeles were right up against all that how about the rose bowl rose bowls right right outside here i guess i'll just wander around maybe i'll sleep the night at a homeless encampment or something really get the phone you can stay here you full stay here. This is fine. No, I'm going to, I'm going to Mar tonight. I'm going to interview Bill Mar at club random. So we're going to flip the script in his place, but I'm going to kind of leave the conversation. Uh, we get the video tonight. Hopefully we get it out tomorrow. You're going to love it. He's so much fun. He's so bright. He's just great. I just don't think I can smoke the weed with him.

Well, I mean, not to do the interview you want to do. That's the biggest problem. Tell him your mom said you couldn't. My mom would probably prefer that I don't. David, great seeing you guys. Great seeing you. Thank you for being here, coming all the way out here for it. We can't thank you enough.

And I look forward to seeing you with Bill tomorrow. Yeah, my pleasure. The Rubin Report, everybody. Make sure you watch it. And if you're not subscribing on Rumble, I assume you can do. And wherever you follow him on X, and, you know, follow him everywhere.

It's good stuff, yeah. See you next time. And, oh, we want to show our upcoming guest here real quick. So before I sign out so we can let Dave go. Michael Faricolo tomorrow at noontime. It's an early show. He is an educator in England. Has some really interesting ideas about the lockdowns and how kids should be educated.

Dave Smith coming in at 23rd. Harvey Reich on the 18th. Some of these other guests, I don't know that well, so it's hard for me to promote them. But I have a wonderful booker who assures me these are going to be very interesting, very entertaining interviews, and she's never been wrong, literally never. So we thank you all. Don't forget about my calling out with Susan Pinsky tomorrow with my psychic mediums and Annie Lieberman. Annie Lieberman is a great comedian if you don't know her. She has her own podcast. Be promoting that tomorrow. I think, is it Annie Wood? I forget the name of the podcast, But do Annie Lederman.

You'll find her easily on all the social media. Lederman, yeah. But that's Susan's show. She's working hard on it. So please do support her. Show up, check it out. It's going to be a lot of fun.

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