Ask Dr. Drew - Dave Rubin: National Divorce of the United States, Trump vs. DeSantis & Fighting Big Tech Censorship – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 185

Episode Date: February 26, 2023

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Welcome, everyone. It is our pleasure today to come to you from New York City on this President's Day. And it's a little early and a special day to bring our friend in. We thought we'd bring in a patriot, so it is the one and only Dave Rubin coming in. You can follow him on Twitter at RubinReport and also Rumble.com slash RubinReport. He, of course, is the host of the Rubin Report on Blaze TV, author of Don't Burn This Book. And Locals, Rumble, this is all Dave Rubin. report on blaze TV, author of don't burn this book. And locals rumble. This is all Dave Rubin. And so he has created platforms in response to some of the censorship and he helped us out

a great deal actually, when things when they when there were darker hours in terms of the censorship amongst the social media giants. So we'll get into all that we'll get into your questions. I'm watching on restream and no cost, of course, the rumble rants. We'll see you there. And I've got a million questions for Dave today, so let's get to it. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin.

Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying. You go to treatment before you kill people. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. And I suspect Dave Rubin has even more to say than I have to say. Follow him again at Locals, also on Twitter at RubinReport, and be sure to check out the Rubin Report on BlazeTV. And do get Don't Burn This Book. It's an excellent book, and I suggest you read it. But before the mic's heated up, I realized the real Dave Rubin story is going to be Escape from L.A. That's going to be his next

book. A sort of sci-fi, sort of dystopian story about a city that became completely a wasteland. Welcome, Dave Rubin. Drew, it's good to be with you. You know, it's funny. That was a very kind intro. You hit all the main points. I thought you were going to say a guy who abandoned me in Los Angeles, because if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, so we had you guys over a couple of times for dinner parties and some other events that I did and things, but I'm pretty sure you were at my last party, my last house party, dinner party in Los Angeles before fleeing. I got the few people that were still sane in L.A. under the roof. We fed everybody.

And I said, that's it. I'm out of here. And, well, it's about 13 months later, and I'm flourishing in the free state of Florida, my friend. I know that people are happier down there. We were down at West Palm Beach about six months ago and people were significantly happier relative to Los Angeles. But I actually was in denial at that party. We were

at that party and I thought, nah, he's not really. He's going to keep the house at least. He'll be back and forth. And there was an interesting group, too. There were libertarians. There was kind of a mixed bag there. And a very nice evening. And I thank you for I think it was two evenings, maybe three we spent at your house and they were always a very interesting and enlightening experience.

Well, you know, one of the things that I was trying to do, especially for that last year in Los Angeles, well, first off, when, when the lockdowns were really draconian and they said, you can't have friends over and all don't be out on the road at this hour and all that crazy stuff. I immediately was like, no, no, no. If they tell me not to do something, I'm gonna do it. I really started going by that policy. And that's when we were having illegal parties.

And I was, you know, people were, oh my God, Dave, you're gonna have a party at your house and you're not gonna warn your neighbors. And what if somebody narcs on you? And I'm like, what are you people talking about? You're all nuts. And I just thought we had more of it. But you know, when we did a lot of those dinners towards the end, it was really interesting

because I do have, and as I think you do as well, drew an eclectic group of friends, meaning that my friends are not all politically aligned with me there. I have a lot of friends that are certainly more left than me at this point, but I have libertarian friends and more socially conservative friends and all that. And, and watching people one at a time systematically leave and flee and just be like, I'm never coming back here. And now to see so many people, you know, the Daily Wire guys who of course went to Nashville and just to watch so many people just leave LA

and to your point of what you saw six months ago, people are happier here. I mean, I went back to LA a couple of weeks ago. I did a few days in San Francisco as well, which is a complete nightmare. I mean, you should be, Drew, if you're looking for another career, I know you've got a lot going on, go to San Francisco and just stand on the corner because the drug situation there is just insane. But people are genuinely happier here because freedom and happiness actually go hand in hand. Yeah. And I never thought my life would include a renewed preoccupation with the notion of freedom and the

ability to sort of protect freedom for people. But I can't resist but make a comment about the drug scene in San Francisco. What a lot of people don't realize, what's been driving me crazy about homeless for the last five years, and you and I have had many conversations about this, is these are my patients. I know exactly how to treat them. I know how to get them back to a thriving life. And those for whom it's not possible, I know how to treat those as well. And for people who need custodial care, I know how to treat those. I've done it all. I did it for 35 years. But in California, we are not allowed to help people. It's against the law to try to help them or to ask anything of them. Like, hey, come with me.

Oh, no, you can't camp here. That's against the law. You can't do that. And one of the things you must do to treat a drug addict is go, hey, stop that. Come with me. That's just the first principle. You got to do something. Even if you're going to give them replacement therapy like Suboxone or something, you still have to say, I'm going to ask something

of you. I'm going to ask you to live something of a different life than what you're living. And we're not allowed to do that. And so they're dying just in LA County now. Every year we go up by at least one. Now we're, I think, eight per day dying on the streets of LA County. And when the meth kicks in, meth deaths come late and meth is ubiquitous out there. When those come in, you're going to see dozens dying every day. And for what? What's the point? What are we doing? That's the part I don't get. If I can give you a positive on this, the drug thing, which it's hard to ever find, especially when you're talking about San Francisco and LA. Do you remember about a year and a half ago, maybe a little bit more, I had texted you because I had a friend

whose adult son was struggling with some severe addiction and you pointed us to a couple of places. I should have told you this about four months ago. He's clean. He's clean. He cleaned himself up. He's got a job. He's doing well right now.

It's a freaking miracle. I'll tell you a little bit more on camera. I'd love to hear it because when you see the recoveries, they they are miraculous people throw my own daughters a year into recovery more than a year into recovery and to be close to it to watch it it's a magical process but there's got to be something that creates the motivation because the drugs have taken over the motivation and they this is the part that everybody misses it's a progressive illness that ends in death especially with opiates and meth but my my point here today is not to talk about that i can go on

all day about that and as you well know there's a lot of stuff on my mind let me just ask you first are there things keeping you up at night right now well it's interesting i i often say on the show that my the day-to-day politics that I talk about, meaning the national politics and what's going on with say Ukraine, which I talked about this morning, you know, Biden showing up there instead of being in East Palestine or what's going on with gas prices or supply chain, et cetera, et cetera. You know, that stuff obviously bothers me, but in some ways it's weird because it's very disconnected from how my life here is in Florida.

Florida is having an economic surge. There are 1200 people moving here a day, a day. The one issue in Florida really, we're having record low crime, a record low unemployment. The one issue we have is that housing prices is high, are high because so many people are moving here and it would be hard for any state to deal with that kind of influx.

Let's not forget, California lost about a million people in the last two years. Florida has gained probably about 600,000, but again, 1,200 people a day. So my day-to-day life here is quite good. As you know, we're also new parents, so I have two young boys downstairs that are keeping me quite busy, and it's given me a renewed fervor to fight for the right things and try to live the right way, which I'm trying very hard to do and that sort of thing. But in terms of what's keeping me up or what I'm really worried about, I mean, I am worried, I would say at a blue sky level, that the American experiment maybe cannot continue the way we've always known it to continue.

Meaning that, you know, Drew, you and I are of a roughly certain age, let's say Gen X-ish, something around there. And we kind of grew up in a world that had solved for most of these things. There was, I grew up in the 80s and 90s. Nobody thought it was cool to be racist. Nobody thought it was cool to be anti-gay or any of this nonsense. We have unearthed all of this stuff now. And now because of the way the woke have operated, and I would say basically decimated the Democrat party and destroyed what were old school liberals who almost don't exist anymore. This thing has infected all of our institutions. And I am worried that at a federal level, the United States of America maybe does not fully work anymore the way we wish it could

work or the way it was supposed to work. The states seem to be doing it better, although I should say it's actually the red states. And the question is, how long can that tension exist? I mean, this is what federalism is all about. Our founders were very wise to, you know, really put the power in the hands of the state. But we've got an ever encroaching federal government that is screwing things up at an incredible rate related to financial policy and foreign policy and everything else. And it's like, man, I don't wanna be the last guy fighting for something that doesn't exist anymore.

Maybe our efforts are better spent fortifying wherever it is you happen to live, which is basically why I moved to Florida in the first place. Well, you're sounding like Michael Malice now. I don't know if you've interviewed him, but he has made this case very strongly. No, I have many times.

I love Malice. Well, he would say, I think Malice would say that's a bit of a white pill, actually. Because on one hand, it sounds like it's a black pill, meaning it sounds very depressing, the end of the United States.

And I am certainly not saying that fully, and I am not calling for civil war or anything of that nature. But the white pill version, meaning the positive vision version of that, is that this is exactly how we were founded. That the 50 states were supposed to be these experiments of democracy and certain states could have low taxes

and low regulation and then we could see what that would be like. Some states, like where you live and where you are now, could have very high taxes and high regulation. And then we can see how that operates. And then all you have to do, you don't have to be a mathemagician or anything else to just see the migration patterns. Where are people going and where are they leaving?

And that really tells you all you need to know right now. Right. So that's a really interesting point. So my question would be, why does there have to be a dissolution of the more perfect union notion? Why can't it be exactly what you're describing and still find some sort of more perfect union of the states? In other words, one where the states are allowed to do this and there still is a federal government that does its thing but is limited like it was originally intended to be. And one of the things I will say that one thing has come to me during the pandemic, I didn't realize how federal

bureaucrats were really the ossification and the ones that run the government and the people that I and you elect to go there can't seem to do much because of these bureaucrats. Unless somebody could undo that, my little model may not work. But why not that? Well, I don't know if you remember, there was this guy. He was sort of orange and he used to talk about those people often and how they kind of run everything and you've got to drain the swamp of those types of people. That bureaucratic never-ending state, it's a giant sucking sound. It always wants more

money. It always wants more power, et cetera. So it's funny what you're, what you're asking for, as you said, is really what we have already, right? We're not asking to rebuild a nation in and rebuild all of our founding documents. Like we really have to sit down and look at these things and parse through the bad parts. Actually, that's not what we have to do at all. What you want and what you're asking for is strong states so that way you have more local control. So it's a truly bottom-up way of looking at the world.

You know, Biden always says, I want to build the economy bottom-up. What does he say? Bottom-up and side-out, something like that. Makes no sense because actually he wants everything top down, which is why we have high inflation right now and everything else. What you would want are strong, you know,

local towns and cities first that build up into strong states. So you have governors that have a lot of influence, let's say over, you know, the day-to-day lives of their citizens. But the federal government has a very short list of things that it's supposed to do. Controlling borders is one of them. It doesn't seem particularly good at that. So really, all we would need are enough red states to somehow put pressure enough on the

federal government to behave the way it is supposed to behave. I don't know that it can fully do that or that there's a mechanism to really make it happen because the mainstream media, big tech, all of these things, we've created a situation where 250 plus years ago, we left England because we didn't wanna be ruled by a king. And yet for some reason, we all pretend that the president is the king and that somehow Joe Biden can solve all of our problems,

which I'm pretty sure Joe Biden can solve none of my problems much less his own problem. To your point, everybody that's listening to us really needs to go read Democracy in America or at least look up the Wikipedia of Alexis de Tocqueville because he was here in the early stages. And one of his prime observations was the practice of democracy was the reason. First of all, civil studies, an understanding of how you operate a government, participation in the government, and local democracy, and the practice of democracy is what he saw as the central ingredient that allowed democracy in America to thrive.

And he actually had real doubts that it could survive in Europe because they didn't have that practice. Yes, and it's funny because in my last PragerU video, which is entitled Three Ways to Fix America, I referenced that. And to talk about when he came here, he couldn't believe it. Because to watch people who are sort of unencumbered by government, which is what virtually everyone, whether you're a first-generation immigrant in the United States or you're a third or fourth as I am, no matter whether your parents or grandparents

or whatever it is came from Eastern Europe or they came from Cuba or Venezuela or they came from India or wherever, basically everyone's ancestors came here with nothing but a dream. And what he could not believe was, oh my God, when you put that dream into action and the playing field is basically even, not to say that there's no bad actors and mean people and people that'll take advantage of you and all those things.

But when you basically have that with the promise of freedom, people, it will literally, I think there's probably an argument that it will literally change their biology. People, because of their happiness, might start taking care of themselves a little bit more, smiling a little bit more. And that's why I'm telling you to go back to where we were before. When I'm out here in Florida, every day walking my dog, I say hello to every freaking neighbor. I talk to everybody. People are smiling. There's a zest for life here. That is in stark contrast to what it was when I was in LA, where especially during COVID, I'd be walking my dog. Someone would be walking their dog the other way, and they wouldn't even want the freaking dogs to say hello to each other.

Or in San Francisco right now, where there's so much homelessness and it's such urban decay that you would never say hello to somebody on the street because you don't want to stop moving. Because one of the easiest ways to stay in front of the zombies is to just keep perpetual motion. So those things, they're not disconnected. They're really not disconnected. Yep, listen, I have a vivid memory of the darkest hour of the pandemic,

and we should probably talk about that at some point today. But I was going on a run, I would add a, you know, I wouldn't wear a mask when I went running. And it's just sort of a gesture. I would go out on the curtain in the gutter. If somebody was on the sidewalk, you know, I just sort of a nod towards a little distancing. There was a gentleman coming up the road as I was running down with a mask on, and I was probably four feet away from him. And he leapt away from me. Like I was on fire. I'll never forget it. I was like, and you know, Dave, that the whole six foot distancing thing was made up,

made up one day in a conference room in Washington. And the whole world bought that. That's the part I cannot understand about the pandemic that essentially the CCP advised our government, our government took that in whole cloth and then advised their own, they sort of invented their own system of this term called social distancing, also invented, and the whole world fell for it. It's the most extraordinary experience I would have ever thought. Drew, can we switch this for a second and let me ask you a question? Yeah, yeah.

So when I had you on my show, it was one of the last shows that I did before I left LA. And it was still in the middle of COVID. There were vaccine passports, all of the nonsense. By the way, I'm still unvaccinated and I'm very proud that I'm unvaccinated. And I never force any of my employees to get vaccinated

or anything of that nature. But when I had you on on that show, we talked a little bit about Fauci and you were you were somewhat critical of him. But I sensed you thought some of my criticism was a bit overboard. And I'm probably 10 times as critical of him at this point where, you know, these emails have come out and, you know, he was telling people not, you know, his friends don't mask while he's telling the rest of us mask. He's been on the record many times saying that he never called for school closures, but we've got all the videos of it.

Vaccines work. You're not going to get or transmit COVID. I mean, do you, I don't, I don't mean to put it on you, but do you regret a little bit of your defense of him? Or do you think this thing just got out of control or what? I think both. I think it with an absolute hysteria developed. I don't understand why he was so

adulterated by it. As I told you in that interview, he was a very important leader during the AIDS pandemic. And he was somebody I looked to and guidance, and he was just superb. But I can see the seeds of what happened here now in retrospect. For instance, think about how we used fear in the nineties. Everybody's going to get AIDS. Everybody. Every time you have sex, you grab sex. Everybody that person ever had sex with. Remember all that? I was a part of that. And I felt justified in using that fear. And I remember Fauci, now I remember he kept saying, there are going to be 2 million people dead if we don't scare everybody. 2 million dead. We ended up with like 175,000 in that same time interval. He was expecting two million because we went out and scared people. Now it wasn't the same level

of hysteria that they created here. But I have learned that what happens in these, whenever there's a physician who feels that he or she is an evangelist and is out to save the world, that's mad science time. That's the time to run. And somebody like Birx, I don't know if you've read her book, but her book is still, she still feels that she was heroic in her efforts when, in fact, all I see is an evangelist marching up on her own and convincing governors to do things that had unbelievable harm on the populations. He, Fauci, likewise, was using fear, using techniques, was clearly adulterated in many ways. And I'm in shock and disbelief and angered by it. How much of it was part of the hysteria of the moment?

How much was Trump derangement? I don't know, but I'm shocked by so many things in this pandemic but that is one of them his his he was as adulterated as he was for shocking to me since you mentioned michael malice before in his newest book is called the white pill i mean i would say the white pill version of all that is so so you you know someone like you who was influenced by fauci and now you can see some of what happens to these people. I think an awful lot of people are feeling a renewed sense of what it means to be an American right now. A lot of people, even people in LA that are, I hope,

I don't know the numbers on this exactly. And I always say to people, you know, I have a bit of a distorted view on this because now I am living in the place that, as DeSantis calls it, it is the citadel of freedom. And you can so strongly feel it here that my version of this might be slightly skewed at a personal level, but I do think,

and I can sense at least from my audience, which is somewhat self-selected, obviously, these are people who enjoy what I do, so I'm not getting the most cross-section of America, but an awful lot of people that I hear from are saying, I was a Democrat three years ago, or I believed all of this stuff three years ago. I, I was for school closures. I was for masks. And now after three years of it and a COVID emergency that Biden still has in charge,

even though after the state of the union, he walked around and hugging everybody and he's 87 years old or whatever, 81, whatever it is. It's like, I think enough people have seen the hypocrisy and seen the way the media has gaslit all of us throughout this, that there is some kind of awakening happening. How that connects to politics, especially at a national level is hard to say. I think at a state level, you look what happened here in Florida. It makes full sense. People were fed up. They wanted freedom. They got freedom and they rewarded the guy who helped them get there. At the national level, it's a little more messy. And that's always partly because of the tension between the big cities, the urban centers, and then the rest of the country, which look very, very different.

The pandemic is over. Oh, there it is. Pandemic is over. But as I hope people understand that we're pretty much in the same place with Omicron as we've been for the last 18 months. But 12 months ago, we had mask mandates and now nobody's wearing masks. Has there been a massive outbreak of Omicron because people aren't wearing masks or did the masks do nothing and it just has doing what it does and will always do. And this is the thing that people need to look back and go, oh, where was I 18 months ago? And what was the incidence and hospitalization rate of Omicron? Oh, it's the same as now, or at least in the same vicinity that that should teach you something that what we were doing was not just excessive, but ridiculous at that point. But part of that is the ossification of bureaucracies. They can't change direction. They can't admit they're wrong. They can't assess their recommendations. They just say it's the Lord. It's tyranny, like you said.

Well, I would say that's why having unelected bureaucrats or these organizations, the CDC says this, so you have to do it. The NIH says this, so that you have to do it. The Department of Education says this, so you have to do it. When we have these machines above us that seem like they're so influential and seem like they're doing the right thing, people want to bow to something. I also think, I mean, without getting on like a total spiritual tirade here, I think that's why there also is a bit of a religious revival happening in the United States right now. Because I think so much of this, remember when Fauci basically pulled a Palpatine and he said, if you criticize me, you're criticizing science. Do you remember that?

And that was Emperor Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith. I am the Senate. Look, leta semois. Leta semois. It was exactly the same thing as Louis XIV. Yes, yes. Let them eat cake. And you know what?

They're going to start eating brains soon enough. I mean, this concept of these organizations that should have some power over us. I don't know if you saw it, but, you know, is it Michelle or Rochelle? I always forget. Walensky. Is it Rochelle Walensky? Rochelle Walensky. Rochelle.

Rochelle Walensky. She was testifying just a few days ago at Congress, and she still is calling to mask children. Drew, you know, we've got a six-month-old and a four-month-old here. By the way, they both have COVID right now, as does my partner, David. And guess what? They're drinking a lot of extra breast milk right now. They're sneezy. We're using the snot sucker, taking care of them. They're both getting better. And, and David's actually, he's kind of sick right now, but we both have said all along, thank God you're not vax. Cause I, I think, and this is, you can say what you want about this. I don't think there's any reason to think that he is less sick because

he, or that if he had been vaxed that he would be less sick right now. I, and I'm not vaxed and I'm living in a house with three people who all have covid yeah you probably already had it and didn't even know it but but yeah this is the point i got it once i probably had it two other times yeah well there you go so so i i'm trying to understand i really people who watch my stream know i'm i'm really trying to understand the other points of view. I really want to get it because I'm mystified. I'm mystified by the excessive enthusiasm for vaccinating the young. I'm mystified by the desire to mask children. I can't imagine what their justification would be. And I'm looking for it. I'm always looking for it because I want to understand what they're doing. I don't believe these are bad people, but I think there's something wrong with their thinking of it. Well, I don't think,

well, go ahead. Well, prove me wrong. Well, I'll give you the cynical version of it first, and then I'll give you the other version. The cynical version would be, and I started to come across this very early on when, when there was such a push, even though we knew it was 99.99 something percent that you weren't going to die, especially young people, right? So, you know, the only group that was really ever really affected was people over 80, or if you had these other serious cohort, but there was this crazy push to get kids vaccinated. That was also when one of the major alarms went off for me because it just didn't make sense. Well, wait a minute. Kids get sick with all sorts of things. It's part of

growing up. You know, you're sick as a kid and then you wait a minute. Kids get sick with all sorts of things. It's part of growing up. You know, you're sick as a kid and then you're a cyst. We all know this. This is basic stuff. Your immune system is going to get stronger and hopefully the next time around, you're going to get less sick. I think, and maybe this is the cynical version, but you know, in a weird way,

all the conspiracies are coming true these days. I think one of the pushes from the CDC and the NIH and Pfizer and all the mainstream media to get all the kids vaccinated was because once you as an adult, it's one thing to get yourself vaccinated. You know, you dealt with whatever pressures you had and I'm not diminishing that,

the fact that they were firing nurses and all of the horrific things that they did to people. It's one thing to do it to yourself. Now, let's say you get your 12-year-old son injected with this thing. And now we know that myocarditis is way up and there's all these studies now. And I have a, I have a young friend. Uh, he, I think he's 22 years old who, since he got vaccinated has been having heart issues. He's wearing for two weeks, he's wearing a heart monitor right now. Perfectly healthy.

I've seen a lot of that. I've seen a lot of, I know it's just, I know it's just one example. I'm just putting it out there. But I think what they did was they said, wait a minute. If we get these people to do it to themselves, it's one thing. But once we get you to force your child to be vaccinated, then, man, you have to be in on this because to confront yourself with the reality that you injected your child with something that you have no idea really what it is or did it do anything or god forbid did it do something actually net negative to their health man you have you in some ways you have a slave for life at that point because to deal with that reality that you were part of it to your own child i again as a new parent i just simply cannot imagine i i i get

that i i get that that i don't know why they would. I don't know why. It's too much for me. And by the way, we now know there's a big study that just came out that shows that, guess what, natural immunity is as good or better than vaccine. There's been data out there occasionally that says natural immunity plus vaccine may be a little superior. But the point is natural immunity is very, very effective. And if I had said that 18 months ago, I would have been canceled. And now I have NBC News up on the screen with us. How worried are you as a doctor that the next time something comes around, let's say there is something that is quote unquote more legit than COVID or something that is really dangerous, whether it's a respiratory illness or something else, I am quite worried that even me, that I will be so dismissive of virtually everything

that comes out of the machine, that that could cause a problem, that the trust breakdown now to me seems scarier than whatever COVID was. Right. I would have a, I, whom somebody who's used to pouring over the medical literature and trying to figure things out would have difficulty figuring out reality. That's the problem. Reality is obscured. Even in medical journals now, the editorial process is highly problematic and you need look no further than Twitter files to see how what you're seeing or what you think you're seeing is being adulterated. How did you respond to the Twitter files? And why isn't that a bigger deal? It's hard for me to get my head around that too, man. Well, as you know, I went to, uh, to Twitter San Francisco. That's why I was in San Francisco a couple of weeks ago. And I chatted with you on it. The plan was not that I was going to drop a Twitter files. It was really just, they found some, I had been working with these engineers for a couple of weeks because my traction was way off i finally got in touch with someone at twitter and

then they uncovered some stuff in my account that they had not seen on other people's accounts so at about five o'clock on east coast time i get a call can you get to san francisco tonight to meet with elon i somehow bolted on a plane got there literally after midnight met with him for a few minutes and he said you know i'm actually pretty. I've been testifying all day long at the Tesla quarterly meeting, but this is how good the guy is truly. He says to me, it's about 1am. Like he was tired. His eyes were bloodshot. Like he was tired. He goes, listen, if it's a real problem that you need me to deal with right now, I'll stay. Otherwise, can we deal with it tomorrow? And I was like, this is the world's richest man, literally like he doesn't owe me anything, you know, like treating me like I'm the boss. Anyway, the next day we had

a much longer meeting where, where he explained a lot of things to me. But what's interesting to your point is if the, if the question really is like, well, why aren't more people paying attention? Well, the whole system is dependent on people not paying attention. If people were really paying attention, there have been massive violations of our first amendment rights. Twitter employees were pressured by government authorities to take down tweets. That is a violation of the first amendment period, clear and simple. I I've talked to a couple of first amendment lawyers on this. What's interesting about it is that you really have no recourse if that happens. So for example, and I was trying to find this out from the Twitter people and they couldn't give me a clear answer on this. In July of 21, I was suspended on Twitter for saying that

vaccines were not working as promised and that they were prepping us for mandates. That's exactly what happened. It was a month after Biden said, if you get COVID, if you get the vaccine, you will not get or transmit COVID. That wasn't true. I knew it. And I knew it was just obvious that mandates were coming. I got suspended on Twitter for that. Now I asked them, Hey, can you guys find out, is there a way to actually go back and check?

Was this a random Twitter employee that took this account down? In which case that's, that's annoying, but it's not a violation of my first amendment rights because it's not the violation of my first amendment rights because it's not the government. Or did a government agent collude with someone at Twitter to do it? Now they did not give me the answer on that, but I asked a couple of first amendment lawyers about this.

And what they said to me was, well, even if, you know, Biden himself called up Twitter and said, you know, you got to get Ruben's tweet down about this mandate stuff because it's rolling out soon and we don't want to freak everybody out. You basically have no recourse. You can't really sue the government for financial recourse. You can maybe get them to issue an apology, but usually they're not going to do that either. So I think part of the reason that this stuff always continues is that the system is built to never punish anybody. I mean, nobody's been fired because of COVID. Somebody at the CDC should be fired, right? I mean, fire the janitor, throw

somebody under the bus, but nobody has been fired at all. We live in a time of cancel culture and we're canceling all the wrong people. That, by the way, I have an analysis on my computer called censorship and suppression of COVID heterodoxy, tactics and counter tactics. And one of the observations is that only the very most highly qualified who were trying to make comment were the ones that were silenced. The ones that really should have been listened to were the ones. Yeah. We literally fired the doctors and the nurses, the doctors and the nurses who we were

told were indispensable or whatever that phrase was. Uh, what was it? Not indispensable. Uh, whatever that phrase they were using. Um, uh, what was it? Whatever. I remember it all with people are essential, whatever it was, essential workers, essential workers, right? No, right, right, right. Most people were essential or non-essential, but these people we were told are essential until they didn't do what the government wanted, then they were non-essential too. So weird. So, okay, I want to take a real quick,

is this not, do you not feel like you're through the looking glass, Dave? This is bizarre. I remember you were sort of more in this camp when we did that interview you just talked about on your show before you left Los Angeles. And now I'm like, okay, I'm through the mirror with David. What the hell happened here?

Yeah. Well, look, you're one of the guys that I look to, to give clear answers on this sort of thing. So when we had that sit down and, and I was definitely like sort of getting here, I would say a little bit faster than you or something like that, which I don't think that that's not to pat myself on the back. You, you come from this this from more a science perspective, right? I come from it from a talk show perspective. It's a different thing, right? But I have to say, I'm glad that you got to the other side on this because we need some communicators. One of the reasons everything's breaking down

is that nobody knows who to trust. And I'm not saying people should be listening to me going, man, David is, you know, Ruben's right on every freaking COVID thing there is. But I think the right to be skeptical and to not, you know, the same people who said, my body, my choice, suddenly wanted to inject you with something

basically under gunpoint. And if we don't take stock of that, then man, it's going to happen again and probably much worse. You know, it's interesting. I have to take a break. And there's a lot of other stuff, even dicer stuff I'm going to get into with you. But I was in France about 16 months ago, 14 months ago.

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There is no the. Okay. All right. Got it. And my wife ran in here during the little break and said, please thank him for Rumble because we were getting censored regularly by YouTube. I was in YouTube jail. I was sanctioned at all kinds of stuff. And when we wandered over to Rble, we found a interesting free, uh, you know, uh, open space for Liberty and expression and YouTube, their act together

a little bit after that, after some of us were just heading over there, which is interesting. I think you sort of forced their hand a little bit. And then we have, we have a better relationship with the now because we found a human being in at YouTube. We could talk to an appeal to, and, uh, you know, the appeal is allow physicians to discuss science in real time, which they actually agreed on. Well, doesn't that just show right there that competition is good, right? You always want to invent a better mousetrap.

So YouTube basically has had a monopoly on online video and the rumble guys came around and said, we can do this too and we're not gonna be as restrictive. And holy cow, if you put some stuff up there and it's a little controversial, that's not for us as a platform to decide what can be up there. If you break the laws of the United States,

you have a bigger problem than us, obviously. But beyond that, with very limited exceptions, I mean, there are slander and libel laws, things of that nature, you can do what you want on Rumble and we're here to be a neutral platform. The way I got involved with Rumble, as you know, is I started Locals,

which was really a subscription replacement of Patreon. That really, it was a couple of years of my life that was a blur. I didn't even know what I was doing, building a tech company as if I wasn't busy enough, but it really blew up. And then we've subsequently merged with Rumble and we're now the subscription part of what Rumble's doing on the video side. And, you know, Drew, one of the

things that people don't really know about Rumble, because everyone thinks that it's a YouTube replacement, is what it really is. It's an infrastructure replacement to Amazon AWS. Amazon AWS is Amazon Web Services. That's the underbelly of the internet. Yeah, so you may remember, you may remember when, remember after January 6th, when they blew up Parler. Basically, Amazon, just on a touchscreen,

I don't know if it was a touchscreen or a lever or whatever they have over there, they said, oh, we don't like Parler. They're the new guys in town, 23 million monthly users. Let's just blow them up, and they're off the internet. So what Rumble is

doing is building that infrastructure up and we have our own servers and all of those things. And we have a lot more to work on. But competition and human ingenuity, that's the only thing that will get us out of any of this stuff. I agree with you. I just keep wondering how long, but here we are. I mean, at least you've been able to do something extraordinary, and it's appreciated framed it as teaching civics, that we at least understand our common history, our common heritage. And there's almost no topic where I look at what people's level of conversation is. And I think they just don't understand. They have no idea. People seem to have no sense of what this country was founded on, where it came from. And I have to talk about a difficult topic today with Greg Gutfeld on that show,

and it has to do with lynching. And I want to discuss it with you beforehand, if you don't mind. Are you up for that? Sure, yeah. Okay, so we have now Joe Biden going out before this new Emmett Till lynching movie. And he said the following,

and this is what I want you to react to. White families gathered to celebrate the spectacle, which is historically true. Southern white families, the whole story there. And by the way, I spent my morning just pouring over Frederick Douglass's words. I can't get enough of that man. He should be on Mount Rushmore. Oh my God. Uh, I don't know if you ever read his words, but that dude was a genius of, that can only be increasingly appreciated as we move through the present moment. But, uh, I hope you agree with me on that, but his words were just always revealing to me. And he made a big issue of the, uh, the sinister effects of having been living amongst and around the institution of slavery. And that it affected people and left behind this inhuman sort of behavior. But now here's the part that Biden went on to say.

So they gathered to celebrate spectacle, took pictures. Some people still want to do this. And I thought, oh, man, do they? Do we live in that country? Is that a real statement? I know people feel that that would be true. What do we actually think? Yeah, you know, I actually, we were prepping for my show tomorrow.

We're going to use that clip. So I saw the clip right before you and I jumped on here. Look, this is just the same sort of racial pandering that the left has been doing with literally everything. Literally everything. Look what's going on right now with this AP African-American Studies course here in Florida, where they instilled woke gender studies

to be part of African-American history. Any honest assessment of African-American history, especially at an AP class where a high school kid is gonna get college credit, anyone in their right mind knows that this has nothing to do with gender theory and the rest of the critical race stuff and intersectionality and everything else.

So all DeSantis did was say, no, that cannot be a course that we're gonna teach here in Florida. He didn't say we can't learn about civil rights or Martin Luther King or slavery or anything else, which of course you learn at literally every Floridian high school and junior high school and everywhere else.

But if you look at how the media treated it, Andrea Mitchell on NBC news talking about how DeSantis doesn't wanna teach about slavery, the crazy women. I mean, I think they're all legitimately crazy at this point at The View, all saying that DeSantis doesn't wanna teach about slavery. The crazy women, I mean, I think they're all legitimately crazy at this point, at The View, all saying that DeSantis is racist now and doesn't want an honest assessment of history. I would say what you're describing there, Biden's words there, it's a deep connection to,

they only have a coalition of voters if they can keep those people thinking that half the country is coming to get them. If the Democrat party was so good to black people, then why is it that it was under Donald Trump, scary, orange, mean, racist Donald Trump, that there was all-time low black unemployment? And you may remember during the famous State of the Union

when he said that under me, there is the lowest all-time black and Latino unemployment, the Congressional Black Caucus. They went to them on TV and they sat there with their arms crossed. And I would have thought that, you know, low, all-time low black unemployment was something that the Congressional Black Caucus would have been for, or that the progressives would have been for. But when you realize they're not for these people, they're for power, then it all starts becoming increasingly clear. So when Biden says something

like that, nobody, nobody, I don't think anyone in their right mind really believes it, but an awful lot of people have been bamboozled. I think people and media, I think people believe it. I think they feel like it's a real thing. And, and I want to take it away from the baiting part of this and back to what you and I had both agreed early with, which is that let's teach history. And what a lot of most people, I would argue, don't understand that all of that violence was a part of Southern Reconstruction, not slavery, although slavery left the blemish on the humanity part. It was democratic policy during Reconstruction flying in the face of Grant and Lincoln's ideas about how to put down this behavior as roaming groups of angry Confederate soldiers went around and killed black people indiscriminately.

I mean, we have to look at that history realistically, I think, before anybody can heal from it. Of course. And anyone that knows anything about history would also know that the Republican Party was founded as the anti-slavery party. That's why it splintered off. I mean, there are realities out there. There are facts. And there is a true, honest history of this country. It is not perfect.

And perfection does not exist. But, you know, when people run around saying America is systemically racist, first off, there are no laws that stop anyone from doing anything is not perfect and perfection does not exist. But when people run around saying America is systemically racist, first off, there are no laws that stop anyone from doing anything because of their skin color or their gender or sexuality. And if there were such a law that stopped anyone

from getting a government job or doing anything they wanted to do purely because of an immutable characteristic, of course, as a liberal position, I would be against that. That is what classical liberalism is totally for, individual rights, laissez-faire government that gets out of your way so that you can flourish the way de Tocqueville was talking about. But that is not what these people seem to want.

They seem to want to constantly feed everyone this idea of endless racism. And yet nobody leaves this. I mean, what would you say is a less racist country than the United States? Meaning that there's more people of every walk of life here. We've done it unbelievably well for 250 years. What country is less racist than us? I mean, we're not a racist country by any estimation. But Dave, I would push back that we have this extraordinary history.

And if we're going to point at that extraordinary history, let's understand it. Let's actually get into it deeply. And the extraordinary history where people were not seen as full humans, right? Three-fifths or whatever they were. And really, I think so much of the trauma that's still around was from Reconstruction, more than slavery, which is an extraordinary thing to say that the violence of reconstruction people have, it's so horrible and so violent. It's been expunged from the American memory. It was horrific. And so when somebody points at something like, um, the, um, lynching, of course it has echoes, but if you don't understand where those echoes come from,

it's just going to feel like it's about to happen again. Well, I think in essence, what we're talking about here is how do you educate people properly? So that, you know, we can take any, any issue of the day, whether it's understanding what individual rights are when they lock you in your house, or when they try to scare you about some race, race issue or some gender issue, What we're really talking about is education. This is where I would say what you want to do is we've seen that the teachers unions, which are so deeply embedded with the Democrats right now and locked all these kids out and put masks on them. And now, as you know, there are all these kids with speech delays and a whole bunch of other cognitive stuff and depression and everything else. And the simple truth is they're

not getting a good education anymore. And you don't know what a kid is walking out with when they leave a public high school. So if you have you read really listen. Yeah. Have you read some of these reports from Ukrainian kids that have come over here in California, specifically, some of these have come out where they're in these middle school classrooms and high school classes and they cannot believe it. They can't believe what's going on and what is accepted as education there.

And I've always said, you know, when you look at the, as you said, the lockdown and, you know, keeping schools closed, and I'm with you on the teachers thing, that that was the reason things stayed closed very clearly. Because I did a nightly newscast during that year, and I interviewed some of them. I kept saying, all right, do you want all these things? Let's do it. Let's get them. Let's get them in place. Let's open the schools. You're a sexist. Like what? They just didn't want to do it. They didn't want to do it. So, uh, I've always point at the Ukrainian women. I've said this many, many times. I've said it once more. Cause it's you, which is when they, you know, when, during the beginning of the Ukrainian war, there was this exodus of women and children, men were generally staying back to fight. And in Poland, all the reporters were putting microphones in the women's faces. And of course they were crying and saying, it's terrible. We had to leave our husband, our son, it's awful.

But then they would always turn to the kids and go, but these kids have been out of school for two weeks. We have to get them back in school. This is ridiculous. And they put them in a school where they didn't even speak the language. They were so anxious to get them in school because two weeks was unacceptable. Two years for us, two years, everybody. And I'm going to guess they got a better education and they probably got a better education in a language they didn't understand than what you'd be getting at a California state school. And that is the point. What you would want, what you would want, if you care about education

and so that people can have an honest assessment of history, so we can get to the root of where we started here, you would want school choice. You would wanna fund students instead of systems. You would wanna say, if you believe in taxation, right? So if you're any of us other than Michael Malice, our ANCAP friend, if you believe that taxes are valuable at any level, and he might be right about it, but if you believe that

a state should exist and it should take some money to do some basic functions, generally people think that that means one of the functions is educating young people. But we've now proven because of the bloatedness of the Department of Education and these crazily powerful teachers unions, that they are incapable, at least at a national level of educating young people. So what you would want is school choice. You would wanna say, okay, instead of just pumping all of this money

into state schools that are constantly failing, you might wanna say, and we could do it from a racial perspective, you might wanna say to a young black woman, hey, you have a seven-year-old kid and the district that you guys are closest to is actually, it's a terrible school, there's crime and there's drugs and all of this stuff.

How about instead of just forcing your kid to go to that school, we'll give you a tax credit or a voucher, whatever you wanna call it, for about seven grand. And now you have four different schools you can choose from. One's a public school, one's a charter school, one's a private school. You might also be able to find a nonprofit that could help make up some of the extra costs on some of this stuff. And through choice to get to what we talked about with YouTube and Rumble, well, now these schools have to compete a little

bit and they might start doing something more honest and decent. But when you ask why do people not know history? Well, it's fairly obvious. The education systems have absolutely failed everybody. It's monopoly versus competition. We need a Teddy Roosevelt towards education rather than just the, although we need it for business too these days, but at least you were able to get some inroads competitively. I want to point out one other thing that occurred to me when you were talking about wherever people come from to get to this country to take advantage of the ideas upon which they were founded. You know, people are now increasingly aware of Ukraine's history. My family was running away from the Holodomor, right? As there was a huge exodus,

which was, this was Stalin's, you know, it's much like they did in Mao's China. They did all these agricultural re, you know, groupings of people and killed millions of people as a result through famine. And, uh, what's interesting is that I used to hear stories from my grandmother where she, before they left, they were fictive to leave because there were people that would run through these communities and destroy them. And just did, they were fighting, they were fictive to leave because there were people that would run through these communities and destroy them. And just, they were fighting, they were fighting amongst themselves. They, you know, along the way, destroy the properties and things. And some of these were

Jewish communities. And so there was almost like pogroms going on at the time. And she called them all the bandits. They were the bandits. And, and to this day, I don't know if those were the Bolsheviks, the czarist, the Mensheviks, or just criminals roaming around. And it could have been all of them because that's what was going on in Ukraine, courtesy of the Russian Revolution. And then Stalin took it into a complete famine. And it's only recently that you started seeing the country thrive again. But it's interesting to me that they're very accustomed to leaving. People just, they're out're out there going somewhere else. Well, it's an interesting point, actually,

because, you know, as Biden is literally in Ukraine today, basically promising Zelensky more money and saying we will he in essence, Biden said we will fund this thing forever and we'll give you whatever you want. And then I don't know if you saw that. I don't know if you saw the video on this, but Zelensky basically said there will be no compromise until we join NATO. He's not going to be able to join NATO. Putin will not allow them to be part of NATO on his border. It's as simple as that. And Putin has nukes. So we can fund this thing forever and we can give them tanks and we can give them airplanes and bags of cash and never get a receipt. And it will not end this thing. And, and the other odd thing is you seem unable

in mainstream media to say just that. I'm not pro-Putin. I'm not pro-authoritarian. I have no doubt he's doing horrific things to political, not no doubt, it is known. He does horrific things to political dissidents. This is not a friend of freedom or of minorities or anything of that nature.

But the question is, does that mean the United States of America, which cannot protect its own borders or basically do anything right anymore at a federal level, should we be giving a foreign country a hundred billion dollars to literally pay their pensions? Do you know that we're now paying the pensions of some of the Ukrainian citizens? We should at least be able to ask those questions. But if you ask those questions, MSNBC will call you a homophobe or something like that. Maybe the U.S. government owes me something, given my heritage. I don't know.

Wouldn't it be nice? Wouldn't it be nice? Yeah. So do you think, do you think, let me ask you just an assessment. I keep hoping at least, and I wonder if you have any sense that this is so, that a lot of this is a bluff to try to get some sort of negotiated something going on. Is that possible? I guess it's possible, but what do you think? Oh, you mean on Zelensky's part, like playing the hard line to get the negotiation?

Everybody's part. Everybody. Like, everybody. Because what is Biden's endgame here? Go forever? I mean, really, that's your game? Or is it to say, I'll go to Everest so we can get Putin to sit down and do something reasonable? Right. Well, one of the problems

with this administration is because they lie, I would say about everything. I cannot give you an example of something they don't lie about. They are so deep in it that every day, I mean, I cover those ridiculous press conferences with Jean-Claude Pierre every day. The woman could not say anything true. And by the way, this is, you know, Saki before her, I used to always say she can't say anything true. If you asked her what her favorite color was, she would say four. I mean, these people are completely incapable of saying true. So I don't know what the American position on this is. You know, there's also this, this sort of story, not story that it sounds like we blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, which probably would be an act of war in a sane world.

But okay, let's put that aside for a second. At the Zelensky level, if you say, hey, I'm being funded to the tilt, I want everything I want and I will take nothing less and I'll just have this thing go on forever. Putin, the other guy, might just say at one point, five years into this thing, after we've just more and more money and it's just endless and all that stuff, Putin might just say at one point, you know, five years into this thing, after we've just more and more money and it just endless and all that stuff, Putin might just say,

you know what, enough of this and we're going to end this war. And the way he would end it would be something unimaginably horrific. So this idea, everyone needs an off ramp here. Everyone, the U.S. needs an off ramp because I think the average person has had it. They just don't understand what's going on here. Why we're not giving any money to the people of East Palestine with this horrific disaster and Biden's showing up over there, right? In Ukraine. So we need an off ramp. Putin needs an off ramp because I assume he wants the, he wants Russia, whether it's greater

Russia or his Russia to be part of the world again at some level. So maybe he won't get everything he needs. But Zelensky also, how is it that the guy who we're told is being bombed out of, into oblivion and losing his country and all these things, how is he the one saying, I'm not negotiating? That's not how any of this works. Remember that, what was that? The progressive commercial, whatever it is.

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works. Right, right, right. Oh, it's so upsetting when I think about that it's very disturbing and and you know i i this is just sort of my own personal feeling about this i i feel you know that was a country that was just starting to thrive and so pathetic i i feel the same way though about what the lockdowns did to so many businesses and people in this country people were just starting to thrive and our overreach of our government in a hysteria just destroyed people and gave no risk reward analysis in their decision making. It was just too much. Well,

my friend, you've been very kind with your time here. I don't want to overstay my welcome, although I could just keep chatting all day with you and I miss you. We got to come visit you. I mean, let me know when there's another dinner party down there we can all come in for the party Drew it's free state of Florida you can come at any time everybody's here everybody's happy we'll serve you a fried gator legs whatever you want man it's true we were in West Palm Beach and you could you could feel I don't know if Susan you want to comment that she's sitting in front of her mic that we could feel the happiness. It was like really kind of an extraordinary thing.

There was a happiness sort of to- What is keeping you guys in Cali? I know, I know, you've been there for a long time. Yeah, and roots are deep there. I practice medicine there. I still have patients that, I mean, I could literally fly in every two weeks and do the work probably,

but it's until our kids are out and settled and our dogs die and they don't need the land, we're thinking very actively about doing something though, I must tell you. Are we- I've got very dogs. Until your dogs die, that's what's keeping you there? I have a dog here, he'll be all right.

Stay on the house. It's their house, right? It's our kids and our dog's house. We're just there as sort of patrons. But we are past the contemplative, I'd say, into the planning phase. So I wouldn't be surprised if we showed up somewhere. We've thought about it. Trust me.

Drew, I'm going to text you and Susan after this. The house across the street from me is for sale. Tennis court. Really nice. Nice ranch ceiling. You're going to love it we're literally thinking like condos we want to downsize oh my god we don't want natural gas bill was fifteen hundred dollars this month again third month in a row it's criminal and by the way

whatever has gone on there in the state of california gas prices are down susan you'll love this natural gas prices spot prices are down. Susan, you'll love this. Natural gas prices, spot prices are down 80%. But we're getting none of that benefit in California for some reason. And that's just about- They're trying to push the rest of us out. Spot on for how that state operates. Dave, give us the last plug.

Yeah, go ahead. Get the plugs. People know where to find me. I'll just leave you with the, I'll give you with a little advice. How about that? Instead of plugs. As Jerry said to George, after George told him all of his problems and who he really was, good luck with all of that.

That's what I say to all my friends from Cali. Good luck with that is about all you can say. So here we are. All right, my friend. Caleb, anything from your standpoint? Oh, no, that was amazing. That was amazing. Got everything good. Dave, thank you, sir. We'll see you soon. All right. All right, man. For everyone else, we had a change in schedule. Wednesday was supposed to be Brooke Jackson. Now it's going to be Aaron Cariotti.

And I thought this would be a great time to get back in touch with Aaron. If you don't know him, you can find him on Twitter spaces almost every day. He is a psychiatrist who was fired from his job at UC Irvine for having the temerity to suggest, by the way, where he was the head of bioethics for years, a decorated professor and teacher dismissed for daring to suggest that natural immunity may be comparable to vaccine immunity. And he specifically was taking issue with vaccine mandates based on what you now see on the screen from NBC News.

Immunity acquired from a COVID infection is as protective as vaccination against severe illness and death study finds. No shit, Sherlock. We've known that for quite some time, particularly, geez, for the younger people and people of sort of medical school age it just it just sort of made no sense but i was reading something today also where our

friend dr latipo was being crushed on twitter for daring to say something like that it's interesting people put up this uh they were retweeting something from a year ago where his bosses were taking issue with some of the things he had said and that he'd been disruptive because of that and everything they said in that in'd been disruptive because of that. And everything they said in that little article about him being disruptive as a teacher of residents, 80% of what he said was correct and 100% of what his superior said was wrong. So just chew on that for a second. I mean, people are being – we've got to get realigned again.

And this conversation with Dave is, I hope, part of that process of getting us back in alignment. Unfortunately, I'm through the looking glass with David in the meantime. Looking at- It's kind of Florida. It may happen. He's gonna send you the picture of that house. I'm looking at the rumble rants.

Yeah, Alabama sounds good to us too. We were just in Louisiana. It wasn't so bad. So what do we got going here? I'm sorry, i'm looking at the ramps before i wrap things up all the red pills i'm just hoping that it changes in california that it's not going to stay well i have said that it would be uh i think we need to complain more well no kidding i think it would be appropriate i thought it was appropriate to fight for california about a year ago i thought it would worth it worth the fight now i'm not sure there even is a fight so i don't even know what quite what to do because most people that are up for the fight have left

or are leaving although some are going down to orange county and sort of apparently i'm hearing there's some people down there that are from the northern california yeah that's that utopia idea for us so anyway back to my roots All right. So what's happening tomorrow? Do we have some? In a one bedroom that doesn't need natural gas. Right. I'm in for that. Oh, my God.

So look for me on Greg Gutfeld tonight. Also, I believe we are not having a show tomorrow. That was today's show, correct? Is that true? Yes, that's correct. We're back on Wednesday. No, tomorrow. We don't have a show.

We're off tomorrow. Tomorrow is Caleb's wife's birthday. Oh, yeah. We don't have a show. We're off tomorrow. Tomorrow is Caleb's wife's birthday. Oh, yeah, that's right. Happy birthday to your wife. And we'll be back with Ariadne on Wednesday at our usual time, which is 3 a.m. With Dr. Kelly. With Dr. Kelly, of course. Dr. Kelly will be in here.

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