Ask Dr. Drew - Del Bigtree & Naomi Wolf: The Media Finally Admits “Some Children May Have Died From COVID Shots” In Response To Leaked FDA Memo By Dr. Vinay Prasad – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 566

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

“Yes, some children may have died from COVID shots,” says The Atlantic, in a startling headline that would have gotten them deplatformed and shunned just 2 years ago. After a leaked memo from FDA vaccine chief Dr. Vinay Prasad alleged that evidence was found showing mRNA COVID shots killed at least 10 children, over a dozen former FDA commissioners pushed back by calling the memo a “threat to evidence-based vaccine policy and public health security.” But finally – and possibly for the first time in its history – the Atlantic admits: “The idea that mRNA-based shots have, tragically, killed a very small number of children is not far-fetched… this insistence that no evidence exists for vaccine-related deaths risks adding to the crisis.” Del Bigtree is an Emmy-winning producer, journalist, and filmmaker. He is the Executive Producer of “An Inconvenient Study,” CEO of the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), and host of The HighWire. Bigtree previously produced “Vaxxed” and served as Communications Director for the Kennedy 2024 campaign. Follow at https://x.com/delbigtree Naomi Wolf Ph.D. is an independent journalist, co-founder and CEO of DailyClout.io, and co-editor of The Pfizer Papers with Amy Kelly. She is also the author of Facing the Beast: Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age and War Room/DailyClout Pfizer Documents Analysis Volunteers’ Reports eBook. Follow at https://x.com/naomirwolf 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Naomi Wolf, we'll join me in just a few minutes. She, of course, is an independent journalist, co-founder and CEO ofdailyclout.io, co-editor of the Pfizer Papers and Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a Dark New Age, and War Room, Daily Cloud. All right, she'll be here in a few minutes, but first up, Del Bigtree comes back. Very kindly is going to give us an update on an inconvenient study. He, of course, is an award-winning journalist and filmmaker, executive producer of the Inconvenient Study. and also CEO of the Informed Consent Action Network, host of the Highwire also. And Dell's been very busy lately, and they've been coming after him.

Guess what? There's been ceases and desist. There's been updates. He's been now sort of riding out to look at the issue with the overprescribing of psychotropic medication. We will get into all of that right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this right. He was an alcoholic because of social media.

and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a . I say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals.

Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat. You have trouble, you can't stop, and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say, I got a lot more to say. Canada's Wonderland is bringing the holiday magic this season with Winterfest on select nights now through January 3rd.

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One more time on Naomi, you can follow her at dailycloud.io and Naomiwolf. com. Del, thank you for coming back. Give us an update, if you can, on the Inconvenient Study. Well, I mean, the film has been a major success worldwide. We're nearing about 70 million views that we can track. I'm assuming we're somewhere near 100 million. When you think of all the downloads and countries that maybe aren't using social media to spread the word,

there's a lot of suppression out there and censorship. So we think that a lot of the downloads we're seeing are probably being spread in different ways. but it's just been amazing. The conversation that it's creating is exactly what we wanted to happen. As I was saying to you, we're watching, you know, real scientists weigh in on this and say, you know, as you pointed out the last time I spoke to you, you know, Henry Ford Health did send a cease and desist letter. They wanted to be known that this study was never published. They're saying because it didn't meet their scientific rigors.

And they try to point to, you know, confounding issues that may explain some of this. But I think you've looked at it, you know, Peter Gutsch has looked at it, the former, you know, Cochran Collaboration scientist. And a lot of doctors and scientists are saying this is a really gigantic difference between the vaccine and the unvaccin. There's people that don't know what the inconvenience study is. It was done by Henry Ford Health. They compared vaccinated to unvaccinated children and their health outcomes

and found in the conclusion the 2.5 times more likely to have a chronic disease if you were vaccinated six times more likely to have a neurodevelopmental disorder. If you were vaccinated, nearly six times rate of autoimmune disease if you were vaccinated. And then they did a timeline comparison over 10 years would be the likelihood that you would suffer from chronic disease. And it was 57% of children that were vaccinated were believed to suffer from chronic disease, whereas that rate would only be 17% to months they unvaccinated. This is one study.

It's 18,500 kids, 2,000 of whom were unvaccinated. And as you know, Dr. Drew, this stood all by itself. And in all science should be questioned. And I love the challenges that are happening. Even on our website, if people go to an inconvenient study, we haven't hidden from it. We've posted the Henry Ford complaint, some of the attacks on the study itself and what they're saying. We've also pushed back and written what we think are the defense. of those different issues that they may have.

But what we're seeing is this is, you know, the most recent of many studies that have made this comparison, at least a handful, up to 10. What we've never seen, Dr. Drew, is a study that compared vaccinated, completely unvaccinated, that showed that the vaccinated are healthier. And I think that's really the headline here. We should be seeing that. And, you know, we've got amazing hearings now going on. the ASIP meetings last week, I'm sure we're going to get into.

But these conversations are housed in this film that is covering it. But we're watching it in real time. We're watching a CDC that is finally, I think, asking the questions that we assumed had been asked and answered all along the way in this vaccine program. So we really live in a very interesting moment right now where science is being questioned, not just by, you know, journalists like myself or Naomi and doctors like yourself that are, I think, you know, starting to have to re-evaluate some of the ideas that you learned in school. But we are now seeing these conversations and debates happening inside the walls of the CDC and government, which I find incredibly refreshing. Yeah, it is, and it's a long time coming.

And Benai Prasad, I know we'll talk about his letter, which generated a lot of action. And he is a brilliant clinician research scientist. What was the issue that they claimed with the study, the Henry Ford study? Because as you said, I read it. It wasn't the greatest study I'd ever seen, but it was sort of pretty simple and pretty straightforward. I didn't see any glaring issues. And there was a very strong signal. And why couldn't that signal have been published?

it could generate more research? That was my question. But what was the issue that they were taking with the study itself? Well, they point out several things, some of the confounding issues, meaning issues you might not have accounted for. You've a pretty smart audience, but there were studies that showed that alcoholism caused cancer, but then you realize you were missing the fact that alcoholics tend to smoke cigarettes, and it was actually the cigarettes. So those are the types of confounding things when we look at science just for people that are watching so they understand what that means is there's something that we're not seeing that is that is is creating an abnormal effect that we're seeing and so what what they were looking at in the unvaccinated

group is there were things like there were more African American children in the vaccinated group than were in the unvaccinated group but they controlled for that they you know they they sliced it and went through and said they didn't see in the study itself they look at that. There was some socioeconomic differences that they looked at, but it looked like they tried to check that out. And then I would think probably the biggest one that they're going to point to, and frankly, they're going to point to any time this study will ever be done. And it's why the CDC has used as an excuse they can't do it, which is it's the amount of times an unvaccinated child goes to the doctor. In this study, ultimately, they go far less. On average, the unvaccinated child goes to the doctor. the unvaccinated children were seeing doctors one to two times a year, whereas for the vaccinated,

it was, you know, on average seven times per year. But that's because they're going to get their vaccines and they're going for, well, baby checkups and things like that, that unvaccinated parents just aren't going through with that. And so the argument was and is by Henry Ford Health and many experts that we're, that the unvaccinated are probably getting these autoimmune diseases and things that aren't being reported. But because they're not seeing doctors, it's not being diagnosed. But they even did a cross-section looking at that. And what they discovered is if a child's really sick,

if they have asthma, they need an inhaler. The unvaccinated were going to the doctors. In fact, on all the major categories, when they were sick, they were seeing on average five times. If you had a health issue, the unvaccinated were seeing doctors about five times a year. So it's things like that, that they point out those, you know, Those problems, well, they're not going to doctor as much.

But when you really sliced that study, they looked at those issues, and I think proved them out. So I think Henry Ford is on thin ice with that argument. But as I've said, any retrospective study, and as you pointed out, it's not a perfect study. No retrospective study is. No retrospective study has a perfect control group and all the things that we wanted, which is why the argument has to be, you know, why didn't we? When we had the opportunity when these vaccines were being created, do the proper controlled study where one group got the vaccine and one group got a saline injection placebo and we tracked them over a period of time long enough to see autoimmune diseases and see things like that. This is what we're doing with drugs, Dr. Drew, this is what I've spoken about with you.

I think it's shocking for every doctor that's waking up to this and more and more are. We are now being surrounded in this conversation. It's no longer an unvacc, you know, an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theory when you see Dr. Robert Malone, who is a part of, you know, inventing MRNA technology, looking at this, Dr. Peter McCullough, the most published heart doctor in the world, is now saying there's no placebo trials, that's a problem. Dr. Paul Merrick, the most published ICU doctor, and frankly, Dr. Drew, you, I think, are saying, I'm troubled by the lack of proper safety testing. And look, it doesn't mean they're not safe, but it means we cannot be saying that they're safe with the sort of bravado that we have been for decades.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's the careful risk reward analysis. The hepatitis B, I've been worried about that for a long time. And now, thankfully, that's been moved off the day one schedule. The reason for that was zero. There was a non-zero chance of serious reaction to that vaccine and a zero. zero reaction of the child getting hepatitis B in a hepatitis B negative household. We know when there's hepatitis B in the household. We test for it. And so this is, and even a hepatitis B household, the E antigen has to be up in the carriers, which is relatively uncommon, in order for it to be highly infectious enough that it would be a household contact. Needle 6, zero probability, sexual contact, zero probability. So 3.6 million kids receive a vaccine for which there is a non-zero risk of the vaccine and a zero risk of the hepatitis B.

So it reminds me exactly of COVID with 19-year-old males. Non-zero risk of myocarditis, zero risk of Omicron's COVID hurting those kids. And this is what we're kind of waking up to. Vinay Prasad, Vinay Prasad now, wrote an article looking at the data and said, look, there's been many deaths, at least 10 are for sure related to the COVID. Did you see that, the COVID vaccine, rather? Did you see that Atlantic article? I glanced at it, yes, I'm and I'm aware of the entire.

It was disgusting. It was, I didn't see the whole thing, but what I read was, let me look at it again. I might have thrown it away. I was so disgusted with it. I don't think it was written by someone who's a clinician. And it was, oh, you know, Vanay Prasad with his inflammatory rhetoric and his political posturing, that is how a scientific paper analysis is written. He wrote an article of the science that's available and was raising issues with his pen.

And that's how we do it. That's how we talk as doctors. There was not a political thread anywhere in what he was saying. And the fact that journalists can now take that and try to spin it, this is an area that I've become gravely concerned, which is, Del, help me here. When you produce television, what did you produce? I produced the medical talk show, the doctors, so I am, you know, well aware of what you have to do when you make science into news. Right. Right. And before that, were you doing anything else in television, any other kind of production? No, mostly that's what I came up through the Dr. Phil world.

I did Dr. Phil, then I moved to the doctors, and then, of course, I started doing my own investigations outside of that. Yeah. Got it. So I'm worried that almost everything in our perceived universe in this country is under the influence of propaganda, some sort of distortion of reality. I mean, I just see it everywhere. I feel like Don Draper has been steering the ship for the last 40 years.

And it's all had, of course, money at the head, but political power and NGOs and all these things that we as Americans just had good faith. And this is people are operating with good faith. And it's not true. Almost everything needs to be re-evaluated. And it's really concerning when you start thinking that way. And what's even more concerning, I'm happy to do that and try to think everything through and be careful. But what's concerning to me is there is at least 60% of the country that isn't aware of this. And that's what's most troubling to me.

Well, what you're leaning towards is what I believe. I think the most dangerous thing in the world we have today is media or mainstream media or what is becoming clear and clearer to those of us, you know, aware of it is propaganda. And it's dangerous because you can't make the changes that are necessary if there is a constant mantra that's going on that's telling people the exact opposite of the truth. That's making them afraid of the science that's finally happening inside of the CDC that is saying that Robert Kennedy Jr. is unqualified to be an HHS secretary when he is in a huge body of former HHS secretaries that were lawyers. Some of them, you know, lawyers for things that had nothing to do with science, whereas Bobby's been. suing on science and medicine and health his entire career. He's totally qualified for it. And I know him personally, you know, full disclosure, as you know,

I was his director of communications, but I know this man. I know this would be the first guy that if the studies came out and said, it's not vaccines, he would say it. He is honestly dedicated to get into the truth. But as you and I and Robert Kennedy Jr. and a host of doctors I've already discussed, we know that science hasn't been done properly. And then when you try to get it done, or what Vene Prasad is pointing out,

and by the way, this guy did not write an article and then put it in the New York Times, he had an internal memo that he was telling his own team, we're going to take a deeper look at this because I've had two different groups now sliced the Bears reports, and we've looked through it, and 10 of these babies were definitely killed by the COVID vaccine.

the press comes out with it and then they say oh he's just being dramatic and trying to scare us and using big words he wasn't even trying to make this a press release you turned it in the press because someone leaked it so this whole story is is really fascinating but to your point when i watched how i think it was i don't know it was like the morning show or something where they were literally making fun of this idea that 10 babies you know died and this is ridiculous and i asked myself with journalists, where are, where is your confidence coming from? Because you are by overriding what the, you know, what Sieber and FDA are now saying, which is this vaccine can kill babies, but people believe you, they're listening to your show. When you write that off, do you recognize

that you may now be marching children? If those parents believe you override the report that's now known and go and vaccine their baby and they die, do you have any idea? idea that that blood in some way could be on your hands. And where is your confidence to override Vene Prasad, who is an incredibly talented doctor? And especially, where does it come from when you were the ones that were told to say it's 95% effective at stopping transmission? But now you know that's not true. That 10 people are getting 10 shots and still getting sick. That the social distancing was a lie. That, you know, it was made up. And we now know that. Tony Fauci has admitted that in front of Congress

and that the mask, there's no studies anywhere that show that they could stop a particle as small as a coronavirus. So these journalists have watched them, their own lives affected by a lie that they were told to tell. They know what's why, but they're still going to... They've been wrong. Tell me one of them. Tell me one of them that stood up,

stood up and got that right. That person, if there's one of them that stood up and got it right, I might listen to that person, but I can't think of one. other than yourself. But let's stop for one second here. I've got to take quick break. I want to talk more about the COVID vaccine,

the black box warnings. I want to talk about psychotropic meds. Can you stay? Yes. I'd love to stay. That'd be great. Okay. Okay.

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Sean, who are you? Like Dr. Drew all of a sudden? Del Bigtree, the high wire, the and inconvenient studies we're talking about, which is his documentary. Go see it. It is inconvenient and inconvenient study.com.

Del Bigtree is Del Bigtree on X. And let's talk quickly about, you know, COVID. It's been well established. that we should not be using MRI platforms for a respiratory virus that is insane and now there will be

black box warnings on some of these tell me about that are you aware of what's going on there no I'm not totally on that black box warning is not you know I've been paying attention to what they're doing there but it does need a black box warning the point is they're right they're just they're saying that hey be careful they're not taking them away so I get very worried when we throw the baby out with the bathwater

I mean, physicians need to have an armamentarium at their disposal to use for the best interest of the patient, and that patient, that doctor, you to figure out how to do that. But whenever you get mandates involved, I go insane. Again, mandates, it's anathema to the basic principles that this country was founded on, and 88 countries have no vaccine mandates, and three of five communist countries have no vaccine mandates. What are we doing? Hopefully, we've got Joe Lattipa put down on floor raising this issue aggressively.

I mean, there should be some sort of happy media. I mean, yes, there's some things that during an outbreak or during problems and we can sort of come in and really push things or use educational programs. But this sort of, hey, listen to me from on high because your kid might step on a HIV-infected or a hepatized bee-infected needle. And this is insane. It is insane. And it's really highly misunderstood. I just saw Whoopi Goldberg saying on the view, Who is Robert Kennedy Jr. to tell me what I'm going to do, whether I can inject a vaccine or not.

Or, you know, this is a decision between me and my doctor. I'm like, that is exactly what Robert Kennedy Jr. is doing for you. Yes, that's his position. Government should not be forcing to vaccinate. He's doing exactly what I think, I wish they would just blanket doing with the entire program, which is just shared decision making. This is a decision between you and your doctor like it is in other intelligent nations around the world. and to your point.

Why is the one truly free nation in the world one of the few that is taking away your freedom when it comes to medical choices? It makes absolutely no sense. For your body, your bodily integrity, your children's well-being. It's in your parental rights. It's insane.

So before I bring Naomi in here, you're starting to get into the world of psychotropic meds now. What are you messing around with there? I would say one thing, before you did tell, I would just say one thing is, I was just telling Susan this. She's getting very excited about the topics that you're raising awareness about. And she went out, what's with this vitamin K stuff?

Why are they giving vitamin K to babies? I said, look, there are things that we do that are a little perfunctory but are, in fact, harmless. They really are. And we have to be really careful that we don't start attacking everything because we think it might be problematic. So I may push back. This is my way of saying I might push back in some of your tachotropic stuff. So go ahead. Wait, we got to bring Naomi in because she doesn't have a lot of time.

She probably has something to say about this. I'm going to bring her in after I hear what Dell is into. So go ahead. She's a mother of babies. You have to understand. Go ahead. Well, I just very quickly, I think there's a lot to look at, right? I mean, I think we're seeing SSRIs are very problematic.

We're seeing that there's the same type of lack of understanding of what God is there when it comes to depression. You know, we had, you know, Joanna Moncrief, you know, come forward in 2022 and do a metadata analysis and say it may not be serotonin at all that. defining your emotional space. And then, but you see these incredible stories coming out, especially around PTSD and military and people that are coming out and saying, you know, I went and tried, you know, a psychedelic at a, you know, in a place where suddenly in one treatment, it's shifted their thinking and shifted their experience, whether that's psilocybin, you know, studies that are going on.

You also have to, you know, look at me, there's all sorts of things like that. Boga. I think all of these things are super fascinating, especially when it comes to getting off of drug addiction where we're seeing that. So this whole space of depression, I think, needs a new, I mean, again, just like we're doing with the vaccine program. It's time Dr. Oz, I just saw him at the Kennedy, Senator Honors, say, we're just getting out and kicking the titers again. We're going back to reevaluate what we have said is settled science because so much of it now appears to may be wrong. We have new information that's going on.

Should there be no SSRIs? I'm with you. Look, there should be an evaluation on are these having benefit? But that's different. I mean, what we shouldn't have are drug commercials saying, you know, that this is going to cure your depression and that you should get out there when the evidence really doesn't even exist

that this is targeting the right part of your experience. So I'm kind of generally saying the high wire. is looking at all of these things. We're looking, and I looked at this on the doctor's television show when I worked at CBS. SSRIs were in the crosshairs then. Is this the way to deal with depression? And we are seeing some amazing results from, you know, microdosing of psilocybin. Very interesting, you know, down to total tripping out, I guess, on, you know, some things down in South America.

No disagreement. No disagreement. Everything you've said. But I want to bring Naomi in here. I'm sure she's chomping at the bit. But one quick thing, one quick thing I will say is, Caleb, you may want to pull this clip. Adam Corolla was on the free press with Barry Weiss, and he was talking about this kind of issue and talking about how people need to be outdoors and use their hands and build things and how the fact that we're all stuck in cubicles is getting to the point we're starting to chew our paws off.

And then we have all the propaganda on top of that and the social media, et cetera. And he goes, and he goes, and this is not specifically. specifically at what you were talking about, but it's at whether or not we are a happy or healthier nation because of these medicines. He said, have you ever seen the TV show, Little House on the Prairie?

Yes, it's a TV show. Yes, we understand it's a TV show, but it was about a period of history where he goes, look at them all. They were all miserable, but nobody was depressed. They were miserable, but they weren't depressed. It's a good distinction. And there's a line,

there's a line and fiddler on the roof where Tavia goes, the new married couple, they're both so happy they don't know how miserable they are. And so the point being is misery is not bad, strictly speaking. Misery can help us, can help us build and become resilient and respond to things and develop resources. Write Naomi Wolf. Let me bring Naomi in here. Naomi, of course, DailyClout.io.

The Pfizer Papers, War Room. Oh, there he is. You're going to play that? Can we hear it? Or is it going to screw with our... Yeah, I still can't hear it. It might be muted. That was it. That was clear.

Naomi, welcome. Welcome back. Hey, hey, hey. Oh, Susan. Go ahead. Hi, Dr. Drew. So I'm certain you have a lot to say. I'll just let you go.

So what do you want to start with? I mean, you all have said so much. And I'm really glad that SSRIs are being looked at because I don't know a young person who isn't either taking a mood-altering drug or thinking about taking a mood-altering drug, they're being prescribed like, you know, tick-tacks by their doctors. And I hope, Del, that after you issue the next major study of SSRIs, you go into birth control because young women are having horrible, horrible mood destabilization, and they don't even know why, because they're on different doses of birth control,

and even the pill used to use when, you know, I was coming of age. So, yeah. Naomi, I want to stop you and just say a 100% true. Again, I get embarrassed sometimes when my sexism blinds me. Because I used to talk a lot about that and I let it go if you, because COVID got my attention. But it is, and let me just tell you, it is the fact that these powerful progesterones, it's a whole new class of medicine. It's extremely powerful progestogen.

and that's causing muscle changes, metabolic changes, mood changes, vaginal dryness, libido up, libido down, changing personality, fucking with sleep. And no, when we prescribe it, no doctor goes, hey, there's really a side effect profile on this, check it out. Just, hey, don't get pregnant. Yeah, absolutely. No, it's terrifying. And so first, let me congratulate, Del, my goodness, what an important achievement.

And I'm so glad that you're getting such a wide audience for, you know, all these landmark cultural texts and objects that you're producing. It's high time. And I think it's also kind of a trifecta culturally, you know, to have HHS finally doing all the right things. I mean, I've been a critic of some of what I saw as their shortcomings earlier in the administration. but, you know, we're getting early Christmas, Maha supporters. I'm glad to hear you say that. Naomi, I'm really happy to hear you say that because I was the one, not you necessarily, but there were a lot of people like you who were very frustrated and angry.

And I just kept saying, give them time. Give them time. This is hard. You're moving a battleship. My goodness. And you're right. What is it that's making you most happy? Well, honestly, the acknowledgement or the release of the internal memory.

that the media has to grapple with that you all were discussing confirming that 10 kids died from the MRI or subsequent to the MRNA injection. Obviously, I'm not happy about that fact, but it's now undeniable. You know, the Atlantic has to kind of do its distraction spin in order to manage it. A pathetic, as a journalist, shameful headlines and subheadlines in my life as journalist. You know, yeah, maybe they died, whatever, but don't help the anti-vaxxers, you know, let's strategize our way around the anti-vaxers. That's amazing, looking at the childhood schedule, you know, the questioning from HHS of the RSV injection, or is it

the K injection or both? I mean, so much is happening and respectfully, they still don't have their comms down 100%. So it's a little hard to process exactly what's under discussion, what's a real kind of achievement already, but it's their, you know, and they've got clearly the White House's support, POTUS's support, they're examining the science behind all those vaccines. And even to have POTUS saying, you know, kids are getting all these injections, I mean, that's a dream come true. And that doesn't happen automatically. I know it's taken lots of internal conversations. I can imagine, you know, from the secretary to the president and his team, So it's profound because it's like, you know, it's like Harry Potter and Voldemort, you know, he who could not be named, right?

Vaccines could not be named the minute you raised any question, even the most benign, like basic science. Like Dell was saying, you know, here's a basic study looking at these two cohorts, you're a crazy anti-vaxxer and your career is over and there's blowback and, you know, no one will ever speak to you. But just to center it as seriously as they have to date and to defend the centering, you know, as Dell has been doing, with such kind of solid, sober, non-hysterical, non-emotional scientific language. Like, you know, we are scientists. We look at the science. It's a, it's a, it's both a PR coup and a real deliverable for MAHA and Maha voters. I'm going to have you respond to

go ahead yeah well first of all there's so much that she said it's true but what I really want to point out is something we were complaining about earlier which is we keep talking about mainstream media how manipulated it is how much is propaganda but really we should celebrate that that is

not the media that people are watching anymore and I really want to tip my hat to Naomi and the work that she's done but also to show how independent media works because the two of us have worked together yet we're never in the same same room. My nonprofit sued and got the Pfizer data released. It took us over a year in a lawsuit to do that, the Pfizer trials of the COVID vaccine. But all I, you know, my, what I'm guided to do is

let me just get this out to the public. But then look what Naomi did. She gets hundreds of, you know, incredible experts together and then starts combing through, you know, tens, hundreds of thousands of pages of data and information and writes the Pfizer papers, you know, book, that's, that's, I mean, we have to celebrate that that is actually what's changing the world. That is what got Donald, that's what got Robert Kennedy to join Donald Trump. And what I would say is, you know, let's be careful that we don't complain too much about media while not recognizing that the world has actually changed because Donald Trump was hated by everyone in mainstream media, 24 hour a day news cycle against him.

Robert Kennedy Jr. I was running his as director of communications. That guy was pulling 20% of the vote and still only got two appearances in mainstream media during the entire time we ran him as president. They tried to act like he didn't exist. And then when he did get out there, of course, they just abused him and slandered him. But both of those guys are now changing the world as we know it. That says, you know, first of all, that all of that $10 billion spent on COVID propaganda and all, All of the media pushing against these two guys and they still overcame it. It means they are no longer the power brokers. They are not actually deciding how we think. It shows like yours, Dr. Drew, it's Naomi Wolfe that's out there and writing and independent shows like mine and Joe Rogan. We actually now, you know, are the voices. We are the free press. And so let's celebrate that too and recognize that we're here.

These conversations are happening because NBC, CBS, ABC, CBS, ABC. CNN have all lost control of the republic. Thank God. Thank God. Well said. You're here. I mean, I'm absolutely cheering. And I do want to validate what you just said, Del. It's really incredible and providential. You and Aaron Siri did crack open that vault, which would have stayed closed for 75 years or more if you hadn't, you know, been such a pioneer with dealt with Aaron Siri and our teams in breaking that open to the public. And then, yeah, we, you know, slaved away for two and a half years to analyze what you found. And, and, you know, Dr. Drew, I want to give him credit too, looking back on what we should celebrate because I remember during the lockdowns and the,

you know, rollout of the vaccine, you, Dr. Drew, were very understandably, you know, sober and cautious as you should be. But then at a certain point, you could no longer stay with the safe consensus reality. And you just started to follow where the science led and have people on your show that, you know, raise the difficult questions, the inconvenient questions telling the inconvenient story, as Dell's title has it. And that was very courageous. And I just want to credit all of you. and thank you for acknowledging our team as well.

It's true. And one thing we haven't lost that the legacy media has lost is trust, the trust of our audience. They know we're telling them the truth because we have the battle scars. And also what we say checks out. They can check it for themselves. We invite them to check it for themselves. So you're right.

We should be celebrating. Just while I have the mic for just a moment, I just want to add to the record, if I may, that there are more than 10 people who died. from the, or immediate subsequent to the COVID vaccine. And I'm sorry, more than 10 children. There's a seven-year-old girl buried in a footnote in England. It's disgusting.

And the Pfizer papers who died of a stroke after receiving the MRI injection. And they, I mean, the science is so evil because the authors of the Pfizer papers kind of, I mean, in Pfizer, split her off and really hid the data, you know, literally in a footnote, so it would be overlooked. And there's a baby who died of multi-organ system failure after nursing from a vaccinated mom. So there are at least two more. And there are two reports, again, for the record, and I hope that Senator Johnson is listening or we'll hear about this. and Vinay Prasad, of course, there's our liver report and our stroke report

and half the deaths in both of those reports took place within 48 hours of the injection. Right. Which were excluded from a lot of the studies and the original Pfizer analysis, right? Or anybody lost to follow up in the first 48 hours were just dismissed. So isn't that interesting?

We were literally legally eaten. Yes, yes. Yeah, it's wild. It's wild. To that point, I mean, all that Veney Prasad and I believe was Tracy Beth Hoag that first said, let me look at the VERS data. Let me just see what's been reported. And she pulled out all the babies that reported have died. Now, you know, the CDC has been beuling on, you know, just on and on about how you can't trust that. But it's there for a reason. It's one of the only capture systems. It's only civilian capture system we have. and to think that when someone finally went through it and called those parents.

And the question I'd like to have is, did any of those parents get a call from the FDA prior to this year when Tracy Beth Hoag decided to do it? No. And that is what is so shocking about this is that you were releasing a totally experimental product. You had only a few capture systems that would have seen if we had a real tragic problem or error or issue. And even though we were seeing record submissions to VERS, no one at FDA, no one in our government, no one thought maybe we should look into some of these deaths.

And when they finally did, to be clear, they're only looking at 90. How many people even know VERS exist? How many people know to report it? Almost nobody. Then when they do know about it, how many actually follow through the study at Harvard when they looked at the VERS system found that less than 1% of actual injuries are even being reported. So there's a potential that this 10 babies is 1% of the actual and probably no more than 10% of the actual amount of deaths that could be out there.

So this is just the tip, the very tip of the iceberg of this issue, but to finally have an FDA that is voicing these things, to finally have regulatory agencies, as I said, to finally have advisory committee on immunization practices meetings that are discussing how long was the safety test on the hepatitis B vaccine, was five days really long enough with no placebo group. And where is the data? You know, thank God we're finally asked these questions. Thank God someone's looking at the VERS data and starting to report on it. You know, I think we're going to start uncovering as Naomi knows. I mean, talk about bodies being buried. There are bodies buried all over, you know, this vaccine and many, many others. And really quickly, a shout out to President Trump, his mandate now to Robert Kennedy, Jr., to now do a peer nation review. If Denmark is only getting, is only vaccinating about 29 vaccines compared to our 72, they're not having outbreaks. they're not having any issues with deadly diseases, then why can't we go on a 29 vaccine program? And I would like the other part of Denmark's program, too, it's your choice.

But that mandate by President Trump is going to override anything else, any other agreements that Robert Kenny Jr. might have made with a senator or two. They're not going to be overcome that. The executive branch has spoken now, and President Trump has given his mandate, this investigation is now going to happen. And it's very, very exciting news. That is exciting. Del, can you stay with me to like the top of the hour?

Because I know Naomi's got to go. And I want to spend five minutes with her and then I have to go to break. But we do, Naomi, spend about five minutes with you. Okay, good. Five minutes of you right now before I go to break. And I want to just ask you really quickly about a couple other quick topics. You have been focused, I believe, on a post from Sasha Latipova about Dr. Boyle, is that correct?

Can you say that about that concern? I mean, I've certainly been thinking about it, yes. Concerned about it, I'm sorry, I'm not laughing. I'm not laughing because these things are funny. I'm laughing because some things are so scary and the times that we're living in are so scary or dark. It's macab. Yeah. But yeah, do you want me to describe what her post is about or what the issue is?

Yeah, and then I'll let you go. You have a heart out here. And by the way, for people that keep complaining that we're kind of stepping at each other, when you have three people in a delay, it gets, it gets wonky that way. It's just the way it is. We're not stepping on each other. We're not letting each other talk. We don't hear each other.

So we start talking, and then the delay steps in. But anyway, talk to me about what you're seeing in that post and what you're concerned about. Sure. And if I interrupted anyone, I'm sorry. So. No, no, it's not you. It's not you. Okay.

So Dr. Francis Boyle was one of the most distinguished, I believe, human rights lawyers, and certainly one of the most distinguished human rights lawyers working in the field of bioweapons. He spent his whole career at the absolute highest level of global treaties and advocacy. And he was the man who wrote the bioweapons treaty that governs the United States. that basically says you can't deploy bioweapons on civilian populations. So he knows intimately what a bioweapon is, what it does. Early in the COVID drama of early 2020, he started to say this is a bioweapon. Both COVID and the vaccine, and other people have certainly made this point

because they have very similar structures, and they come from the same place. And he warned the world, this is a bioweapon. and he is such a distinguished voice that he was the most powerful voice to date, you know, having made that warning. And I interviewed him. I believe it was in 2023 or 2024. Very, very deeply knowledgeable man, very brave man. And it's one of the most important interviews I've ever had.

Sadly, you know, it should have been front page news where he was literally saying, you know, I know what a bioweapon is, I know what it does, I know what it looks like. you know, both the virus and the vaccine are bioweapons. And he has said very clearly in public their goal, they're designed to, and, you know, people have asked me very skeptical questions when I've said the same thing. I don't have his background that they're designed to depopulate and to disable and to kill. Well, he said they're designed to depopulate and disable and to kill. I mean, a thousand percent to disrupt reproduction and to disable and to kill.

kill those were his, I'm paraphrasing, but those were his words, those three. And he died in, he passed away, I should say, in January of this year. And Sashlatova said he was in good health. He was in his early 70s, I believe, very active, and he died suddenly. And that's all we know. And I don't like to be ghoulish. And I don't like to intrude on families' privacy. But I think it's worth noting that he was one of five witnesses and by far the most kind of distinguished Belly of the Beast witness slated to testify in a trial in the Netherlands against Pfizer and Albert Borla and Bill Gates specifically for this issue depopulating, disabling and murdering people with the injection.

So Sasha said, you know, she believes, well, that there's a problem with the death. I'm not going to kind of paraphrase what she's saying because, again, I don't like to intrude on families' grief or make, you know, baseless speculations. But I don't think it's good, you know. I think it's concerning that he died suddenly when his voice, in that context would be the most damning, the most unanswerable voice. And I just want to add, it's not in a vacuum the lawyer convening and, you know, leading the prosecution, I believe, for this trial was arrested and detained in very severe

circumstances. And this is the Netherlands, Dr. Drew, which is like the most chill country ordinarily. So these are dramatic interventions that do not align with the rule of law and due process. So I don't know what happened. I mean, you know, God rest his soul. He was an extraordinary person, but it's a great loss, whatever happened. I would just say to anyone listening, you don't listen carefully to Sasha Latipova or to Naomi Wolf etch your peril. I've had experience with both of them enough to know that if it sounds tough to swallow, just pay attention. I don't know, but I know these two women

and I know they're at your own peril if you question the veracity of what they're reporting. So, Kenwood, is there someplace we can hear that interview? Oh, it would be Daily Cloud a long time ago, like two years ago. Yeah, I really need to find it and repost it.

It was powerful. And I was, yeah. Honestly, the other thing that I'll never forget about that interview is I was like at that time in the wilderness of media. I mean, I didn't have a giant reach. I had been censored. I'd been banned. And his sense of responsibility to the world and urgency about this message led him to clear out

an hour of his schedule to talk to me in the middle of the wilderness, right? Because the guardian and the BBC weren't hearing his message forward. that really was very moving to me. All right. I'm going to let you go. I know you have a hard out. Anything coming up? We should look from you.

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I am so glad that you guys are out there, you know, you and your team and Caleb and Susan. It's so important to have all of your business and talents. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Thank you, Naomi. We'll see you again very soon. And we're going to take a little break. Happy Hanukkah. indeed. We take a little break and happy holidays, everybody. And so we take a little break here back

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them to be exposed to this universe, whether they fully embrace it or not. They don't even know this is happening? Yeah, it's really, we live in two different worlds. Reminds me of a mini series years ago, Martian Chronicles, where you had the people living on Mars and then there was these ghost ships going by two different times or crossing. I feel like that's how we're living. I'm living in a different world. Like when you watch the ASIP meetings this week and you watch the difference between Malone and the panel and the people speaking, and then Cody Meisner and I forget the other vaccine doctor, but it's like we are speaking different languages. We're living in different worlds. I know we all care. We all care about children. No one's saying anyone's evil here

or trying to destroy the world. But how is it? We are on this side, but you hear it on the other side. I know. Like they accuse us of being heartless or mindless. And yet we're the ones that keep posting our science and they won't post any science. Where is your evidence for what's being said. So yeah, and it is, I think we're all, I'll be honest, like going back for the holidays, I'm going to go back to Colorado to visit my family. I'm losing sleep right now at trying, I find myself running, how am I going to have some of these conversations? Because my family's got Trump derangement syndrome, you know, and like I wake, you know, I'll wake up, I'll write out a great thought, like a what I had in a dream is how conscious I am of this. But it's, and I think

it's really, really important. What I think would be the worst case scenario is that in order to protect, you know, family unity, we don't have these conversations. That's what, that's why COVID happened. COVID happened because none of us were speaking to each other. If you even think about the mandates on large corporations, there were groups that said to me, you know, they're going to force me to get vaccinated. I was like, talk to everyone you know at your business and just tell them, I don't want to get the vaccine because your business must be like the rest of this country. At least 30% of the country rejected the vaccine, which means 30% of your company is on your side, but you don't know it because they've got you afraid to speak to each other. That's how authoritarianism works.

If you speak to each other, then you go to your boss and say 30% of us are going to walk out of this building if you decide to mandate this product. And the companies that held together, the ones that get vaccinated did exactly that. There's safety in numbers. There's safety and numbers of the future of our, we're talking about the future of our species, Dr. Drew. You know this. These are these are critical conversations that need to be happening, both not just in the government. We should be waiting for Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy Jr. to save the world, especially in America where the system is a mandate of for and by the people. The people have to get involved, but the people have to be informed. So I really think, I really think we have

a special moment right now because we've been the fringe, right? It's been hard to talk. about the lack of vaccine safety studies because the majority of people have a belief system that we're against the entire government seem to be on one side but I assure you when you go back for the holidays and we all know kind of well del's the part of the family that has this belief in whatever but they're freaking out right now the other side though they have been sort of brain wash living in a bubble they have they want to talk about it because they they're in a defensive position. They're not in the offensive position right now. I think there's a psychology to how we have those conversations. We have to recognize that we actually have the government. It's now moving

in our favor, but those on the other side, they're going to want to complain about it. That's going to be our opening to this conversation. So we've got to prepare, I'm preparing, as I say, laying in bed how I'm going to be gracious about this. Yes, it's going my way. Yes, freedom is re-entering medical decision-making. I think it's great. Why do you? you not think that's great. Do you not want to have the right to choose? Do you think the government should be making your decisions for you? There's a very easy place, I think, to start having these conversations. But to your point, we've got to override that brainwashing box that's inside and it's owned by pharma. But this is the moment to do it. It's going to be over these

holidays right now as we're all coming together. We're meeting with family. This idea, the destruction of America really was in this idea of being politically correct, of not rocking the boat. Let's not talk religion. Let's not talk politics. That's just going to upset things. This nation is based on our ability to communicate and we cannot allow them to tell us that's the wrong way, but we have to be gracious. Ask questions of your loved one. Try to understand how it is that they have the perspective. Show your curiosity and then maybe in kind they'll have some curiosity about your perspective, that we've got to get there because these elections that are going to be happening, the midterm elections are going to be critical to this work that is being

done by this government, that it continues. So I just not, it shouldn't be political. I still consider myself politically marooned. I ran with Bobby when he was a Democrat. We became independence. We joined Donald Trump because there was an opportunity there. I'm very, very happy with a lot of what I'm seeing President Trump doing not all of it. There's no perfect leadership. But I believe we're watching a government that is surrounding them. And look at what's happening. Like beyond even vaccines and drugs, did you just see yesterday $700 million being put forward by the Department of Agriculture towards regenerative farming? That shows that Bobby is having effect even outside of his jurisdiction there in HHS, which means we have a government that's

talking to each other. We really haven't seen something like this. I don't think in my lifetime, at least not that I remember. It's really exciting. We should be sharing that excitement, that positivity in the kindest, most gracious way that we can and see if we can't wake some of our friends and family up. Your mouth to God's ears. And a reminder, really, there's been such a weird, I don't know, we've been through this weird thing. And I in terms of the overreach of government and authorities of all types I've been watching a bunch of French radio

for a little while now and the one thing that Marine Le Pen keeps pointing out that I think we need a dose of over here is the people are sovereign that's the form of government we are in the people are sovereign it's their word that not the government not the NGOs, not the money, not the media

not the companies, not the Atlantic the people are sovereign here and we should be disgusted when that is intruded upon in any way. It's one of the things that in the politics of it, like when I look back, I mean, Naomi was a Democrat, I mean, she worked with Bill Clinton, I was a

progressive liberal. Part of what scares me that I see in that space and not to make this political is this sort of self-hatred, right? You know, and I almost, my joke, you know, is that we were all told to, you know, treat others as you would like them to treat you. And then, but I would say, unless you're a masochist, and I feel like there's a huge part

of our population that are so self-loathing and hating that I don't want me to be treated like you're treating yourself. And I think that's a serious dilemma here. And when you say sovereignty, when we say sovereignty to some of these people, we say that the people should, you know, really it's about our voice. They have. have been taught now to not trust people. It's never them. It's never me. I don't have a problem.

But everyone around me is stupid. Everyone around me is dangerous. Everyone around me won't back. Everyone around me make bad choices. That's why we need a government. And this is what I realize is that liberal thinking. It's the mommy state that our hatred of each other, our fear of each other, is how they're getting away with us voting in an authoritarian government, which is what I think we were about

to see. I really think we dodged that bullet. I may not vote conservative the rest of my life, but right now, as long as you're going to keep saying, your job is to stop free speech and end misinformation and the government's going to dictate what we can say and how we spend it and inject things into us, then I am all about a no Kings march. On that front, I'm all about no Kings too. Do not ever allow the government to inject us with things we have no control of or decide what free speech is. yeah it is uh astonishing that there is the the hatred you were talking about actually has a term it's called oikophobia okay and it is literally translated oikophobia oikophobia and it is literally translated from greek as hatred of one's home and it's considered a description of the hatred of society generally and people that i've written read some articles on this

say that when society has become very successful, they tend to turn inward with oikophobia. And we must be aware of that and fight against that and not allow that to happen. If you believe the writings of the fourth turning book, there should be a generation that comes in and rescues us a bit from this oikophobia that we seem to be in.

Because you're absolutely right about that. We have nothing to hate here. Okay. There's a lot here, Del. We've covered a lot of territory today. Is there anything you want people to know about what's coming up for you or where they should go to find you or the In Inconvenient Study? Well, look, I think this film is a very, very important tool.

Even if you think you understand this issue, one of my favorite things about it is how many people are reporting to me. I had a loved one that would not listen to this issue, but they watched an Inquivian study. They found it to not be overreaching, and it's really got them thinking twice. I think this film is really good on that part. I worked hard to make it just stand as an objective of space.

And frankly, the power of it is in the hidden video camera footage of Dr. Marcus Zervos, a world-renowned, brilliant doctor. And you see his internal conflict. He's very honest about it. He believes the study should be out there, but he knows it will ruin his career. That's the part of the film. I think that if everyone saw that, it really will help change this conversation. that's the tool.

I mean, I think it's there. I think the holidays is a great time to share that film with everyone that you know. Of course, you can keep watching what I'm doing at thehighwire.com. I want to give a shout out to Robert Kennedy Jr. There were a lot of doubters. I know Naomi's been harsh at times, as we should be. That's fine. Criticism of the government.

That is what it's supposed to be. I'd like to see a little bit of that in the right framing by the mainstream. But look at what he did this year, just reflecting on removing, chemical petroleum dies from baby food, getting lead and arsenic, I mean, out of baby food, out of formulas, you know, finally bringing forward a drug that can help people with autism and lucavoren. And I think changing, one thing we didn't talk about was changing the CDC's webpage on autism, now stating what is true. There is not science to define that vaccines do not cause autism. That statement still lives on a page that they say because of an agreement he made

with Senator Cassidy, but it says this is not a scientific statement. It is not a scientific statement. And Dr. Drew, I think what we have to realize is that we all have a confirmation bias. I'm asking over the holidays that we all take a little bit of a humility pill here and say, you know, we have the ability to get it wrong. We all believe, you know, we see what we believe. We are truly creating our reality of what we see. So we all have to be careful with that. You know, every time I see someone get sick or has cancer or suddenly a major health crisis, my brain says it's a vaccine injury. That can't possibly be everybody that's getting sick. You know, and I've got to check in with myself. The opposite is true for those that believe that,

you know, I mean, hepatitis B, it's rare. It's a rare injury issue. For those that suffer it, it's horrible. But for those that suffer vaccine injury, it's horrible. Why can't we all speak about them on the same balanced level. If we could just get to a place where say, I see your side, I'm listening to it. I think we can make the changes that really matter. But we're all suffering from it. We're all suffering from a confirmation bias. And nobody's more prone to it than scientists and doctors has been my experience. So I think we live in a time now where you should not bow down just because someone's wearing a white lab coat. I think you really have to trust your own instincts now and really ask yourself, am I getting a full, well-rounded picture of what's going

on there? That's what I'm trying to do with the highwire, thehighwire.com. That's what Robert Kennedy Jr. is working out with the government. I want to thank President Trump for having the courage to let Robert Kennedy Jr. Vinay Prasad, Dr. Marty McCarrie, Dr. Mehdi, Dr. Mehmet Oz, and J. Badacharya, these are, you know, historic figures. They're going to go down in history at a very, very important time. These debates, these conversations are happening, and I'm just excited about that, and that's what we're celebrating on the highwire.

Drew. Go to the highwire, everybody. Del, great to see you. We'll talk soon, no doubt. Get this. Because we had Dell on the show today, TikTok just gave us a strike for violating their community guidelines

and kicked our stream off in the middle of the show. So I don't know if we were able to stream for another week on TikTok. Thanks, Del. Yeah, I have that effect. That's so nutty, cuckoo. All right, there we go. Well, keep fighting the fight.

Talk to soon. All right, we'll do. I hope you have me on again after this. Okay. Next time I get on TikTok, I want to get kicked off. Yeah, exactly. Can you go to them and ask them exactly how we did so? Yeah, I'm going to raise a big stink about it because that's pretty ridiculous,

especially in this day and age. it's uh yes that's ridiculous and and and then you had um the former director of the CDC up there at a video what was that all about oh that was uh dr rachel rachel i forget what she was talking about i tried to get the captions well yeah rachel willensky and it was it was a video i think it was naomi had posted it back when i showed that uh well michel had been wrong a lot so i'm not really interested in hearing from her anymore there's what's coming up peter saint unge and uh Day Palette here on next, let's see, we're Thursday at it, next Tuesday. Jonathan Alpert, Martha Byrne, and her husband, Shane Cashman, and Elizabeth Cousinich.

So this is, I think, is that, I think we have a couple of it. It's because of Christmas, I guess, right? We have some more that we're lining up, but also it's possible and actually likely that the one on New Year's Eve is going to be earlier in the day, earlier than four Pacific. We might be moving that earlier if she can make it. So we can celebrate. I would appreciate that. All right, beautiful thing, everybody. Now, I want to, Dale sort of, you know, mentioned so many things I want to just quickly

follow up on here, which is irrational certitude is the enemy, rational uncertainty, rationally uncertain, humility, like Dale just said. And, you know, as it pertains to JFK, RFK Jr., I want to confirm that not only is he the right man for the job, he has told me that he loves this job. He's like, this is like the pinnacle of his entire life. what he has built towards his entire life. Cheryl, his wife, confirmed that. He is very happy doing that job

and really not interested in a presidency. He's interested in making these changes and making America healthy again. And finally, two things. Beware the Dunning Krueger syndrome, everybody. If you know a little bit about something, you feel like you know a lot, that's called Dunning Kruger.

When you really know a lot, you feel like you know nothing. That's where real expertise kicks in. So the graph kind of goes, oh, I know. I think I know a lot. I feel like I know a lot. And as I know a lot,

I feel like I know very, very little. So the other thing is pay attention to what we just were talking about, that the world, our perceptions of the world, as we know, it have been highly processed through propaganda and advertising and moneyed interests and government. There's so many things. And now we're learning, they do the I'm sure we'll be reporting in 2026 on the extent to which intelligence agencies have

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