Ask Dr. Drew - Del Bigtree on The Amazon Files: Subpoenaed Emails Show White House Pressured Amazon To CENSOR Books on Vaccines & COVID – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 321

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Del Bigtree returns to discuss The Amazon Files. On Feb 5, Rep. Jim Jordan revealed internal emails between Amazon and the White House from 2021, which appear to show officials pressuring Amazon to censor books that did not agree with the admin’s stance on mRNA, vaccines, and the pandemic. “How did the Biden White House conclude that there was “propaganda and misinformation” in books sold in Amazon’s bookstore?” wrote Rep. Jordan. “The White House ran keyword searches for controversial topics, such as “vaccine,” and emailed Amazon when it didn’t like how the search results appeared.” Del Bigtree is one of the world’s preeminent voices of the vaccine risk awareness movement. He is the founder of the non-profit Informed Consent Action Network and host of the breakout internet talk show The HighWire, the fastest-growing program in the natural health arena with over 100 million views. Del’s career as an Emmy-winning producer of the CBS talk show The Doctors changed profoundly when he produced the documentary, Vaxxed: From Cover-up to Catastrophe. Since its release, the film is credited with igniting a revolution against pharmaceutical tyranny around the world. Follow Del Bigtree at https://x.com/delbigtree and watch his show The Highwire at https://thehighwire.com/ 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • CBDISTILLERY - Targeted CBD formulations made from the highest quality CLEAN ingredients. No fluff, no fillers - just pure, effective CBD solutions. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://CBDistillery.com • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We need to name our studio like the YMHU Staff Studio Jeans. Susan, we need to, don't do it right this second. Playroom Puds. Playroom Puds. Fair enough, Caleb. Del Bictory in the house. Appreciate you coming all the way in here. It's a pleasure.

We've sort of, we've had you in here once before. We've run into each other in airports. Yeah, we do. Which is where you spend most of your time these days, it seems like. If you want to find me, just stand in an airport somewhere. I'm sure I'll pass you by. And let me quickly, again, give the particular, the High Wire is the pod.

Yes, you have a podcast every Thursday. Highwire.com. the particular, the High Wire is the pod. Yes. You have a podcast every Thursday. Highwire.com. Yeah. At the High Wire Talk. No, at High Wire Talk on X at Dell Big Tree. Your name is spelled exactly like it sounds. Yes. Maybe Dell with one L.

Shouldn't have to spell it out. People are like, how do you spell that? I was like, really? Is it getting that bad? Yeah. And just as the mics were starting to heat up here you you uh said god it's so weird so many people who thought they were liberal suddenly realizing that free speech is under attack and the suddenly the the frame has shifted and uh it's left us in the dirt somewhere

and i was saying that i sort of always felt like Dave Rubin was the poster child for that. Yeah. But you are too. I was a loudmouth, progressive, liberal, screaming how the Republicans were just going to take away our freedom and censor us and bring in the authoritarian military state. I spent most of my career fighting the right. I was advocating for mourning after contraceptives. I was advocating for the HPV vaccine. I didn't feel about that, but I was a very strong advocate. And I was fighting. And by the way, I had a show that they thought was inappropriate.

I dared to speak to young people about sex and relationships. Right. Yeah, sure. And so entire career fighting that group. And then kaboom, all of a sudden, the other group came out. A total pole shift overnight. Wow. It is really wild.

And friends friends my family you know i they're like well okay the censorship part that you know the biden administration's got that wrong but the rest of us like what rest i mean it's it's down the line you know as far as i can tell authoritarianism right just we're going to decide what you think what you do you know what you do with your money whether you can step outside i mean like the whole thing's just the opposite of what the left was all about my whole life right it was all about live your own lives do what you want man leave people alone and by the way protecting gay people protecting right people of color protect them to do what they want to do man it's like right let your freak flag fly. Remember the Peter Fonda.

Caleb, find this. I'm sorry. I don't know if we can air it even. A Peter Fonda clip at the end of. It wasn't Easy Rider. It was a film like that. Free to be me. Yeah.

And the judge goes, a group of young people. And then he goes, what is it you want to do? And he goes, we want to do what we want to do. We want to free. We want to be free. We want to get high. We want to ride. Right. that was the left yeah and then all of a sudden we're going to centralize authority which is i don't understand how you can imbue all goodness in centralized authority that to me that to me

is a central mistake that seems to be being made these days do you agree with me well look i think it's the very thing that our founding fathers you know really sort of projected this is where you're going to go like you know make sure states right stays powerful keeps you know you know the separations of the branches of government we still don't let funding right still our strength it is and by the way it's one of the things i think sort sort of saved us in COVID. When you look at Australia, you look at Canada, you look at these places that really went down the tubes, it held on by a thread, you know what I mean? But Texas and a few states, Missouri, like really pushed back and showed, wait a minute, there's another way. Florida, of course. So those types

of things. And also, you know, centralized banking and And central, I mean, I'm blown away when you go back and read what the founding fathers were talking about, that they predicted that. They anticipated it. They anticipated it. It's really, really stunning. It's stunning. And yet, because of our current moment, I have found myself becoming a dilettante, but a student of history a little bit. And people that watch this show hear me every day talk about the french revolution they must be so i know my wife is tired of me

talking about it but but it just it's so many echoes in the present moment in terms of the things people are thinking the personality styles the the guillotines which are cancellation now it's the same thing the same damn thing and i i people have done this before and so the the the framers knew that we've gone a long way without having to come back to this kind of primitive bs and so we've forgotten about it a weird way yeah i mean well you look at it's been a flash i mean we're so young still really as a nation it is just a few hundred years and we've sort of gone this full you know uh loop back to what we're running from in in many ways so it's uh it's really

it's amazing i actually think it's amazing what do you have any theories to what's motivating the desire see i i do you know who mark chankisi is no he's a cognitive psychologist he's a physicist who's made a study of all the crazy thinking and cognitive distortions of COVID particularly. And he has said, you know, he is sort of beginning to see that left and right are distilled down into the right sort of imbuing goodness in the individual. And the left is centralizing authority and imbuing goodness in the individual and the left is interest centralizing authority and imbuing goodness in the centralized authority it's sort of a interesting fundamental sort of difference and my question is where'd that come from what's motivating that and my fear is but those of you who weren't watching on rumble before this the cameras heated up we were watching me interview um bob rob schneider and we were talking about um

some of the corruption and stuff that's showing up and you know what about hunter biden and and i said in that interview i'm worried they're all involved in something not so great and then now we're protecting that that's what i fear is motivating some of this centralizing of everything and then we're circling the wagons around it. And censoring. Like, don't let the cat out of the bag. Don't let people read about the weaknesses and the things that we've told them they should be following. And I think the – I don't know if I have some giant general principle that I question every day, but what I really question is my own journey, right?

What I've watched myself go through. For instance, talking about looking at founding fathers, talking about history, I actually remember when hearing songs about flags and eagles and, you know what I mean, America, I would kind of like get nauseous. Like, I mean, I would say, honestly, like as a liberal, those were thoughts that were kind of gross. Like they were like, we're just, I mean, I would say, honestly, like as a liberal, those were thoughts that were kind of gross. Like they were like, we're just, you know, well, that's the authoritarian America. And like, we're better than like that. And by the way, a lot of that stuff came, if you remember Anita Bryant and all the condemnation of, I forget, was it music or gay men or something? Gay men are teachers.

Right, right. And it all came out of Florida. Remember that? Right. No, I don't. Not particularly came out of Florida. Right. You remember that? Right. No, I don't. Not particularly that part of it. Well, maybe I thought it did because she was the, you know, a day without orange juice is like a morning without sunshine. Right.

And that was the Florida orange juice organization. It puts it all together. Yeah. But, you know, again, it turned on its head. Well, now I look back. I mean, that was the thing. And I remember I was talking to a libertarian friend arguing, like, just right before I got into all of the vaccine investigations

and things. And I was, you know, he was a libertarian and he was saying, one day the Democrats are going to step on a right that you actually care about and then you'll realize

how dangerous they are. I was like, whatever. And like, sure enough. How long ago was that? That would have been right around 2014, 15, just prior to starting to investigate this vaccine issue, which was something that, you know, I believe in medical choice. And once in an SB 277, that whole push in California to forcibly vaccinate kids,

that whole thing just really shocked me that we were going to take away your right to choose as liberals. I was a modest supporter of that at the time. Of SB 277. Sure. That was Dr. Liu or something? No, no, no. He's a pediatrician in the state congress here. And he was like, and I remember I interviewed him once.

He goes, we need to get over. Senator Richard Pan. I can't believe I've got PTSD. I pushed that guy out. He goes, I interviewed him interview him he says we got to get over this it's time to be come to the modern age and we have to protect the kids and we have medical people have an obligation to just get get people past their biases and their stupidities and stuff right and i was like yeah you're right yeah and and i'm like now i'm like uh-oh yeah

well i mean that's you know that's it it's and that's how authoritarianism comes in right well it's a good idea as long as it's a good idea, it's benevolent dictatorship. Then it's okay. Well, the same Mark Cianchese who I've interviewed here and I mentioned a few minutes ago, he has also made the point that whenever social evils are perpetrated, think about large-scale ideological movements. Okay. large-scale ideological movements okay it's always in the name of good that untold harm is done to people always in the name of what's right for them what's good whether it's the cultural revolution in china or uh what lenin thought he was doing or what robespierre thought he was doing they were all self-righteous saving humanity yeah. Yeah. Doing what was good.

Really? I think that that's part of, like, when we look at the dystopian novels, when you read Brave New World or 1984, Fahrenheit 451, you never see the precursor, right? It's just you're just living in this really dark world. That's right. And what we didn't realize, I mean, it always seemed like it was done to the people. Oh, it was just done to them. What I'm realizing now is they voted it in yeah like they was like oh this is the greatest idea ever we're gonna be happy forever we won't have to work or i don't have to you know worry about my you know our sexual differences or i mean all of these things or that war outside

of this is gonna be taken care of us we'll be safe you know we come into those books when it's in the middle of it right now i think we're really seeing what that journey is in that slow roll i mean i i've been arguing with friends my whole life since i was a kid sort of obsessed with nazi germany and i would say look i'm pretty sure anyone would be a nazi at least 99.9 of people will you know under you know some socialization can be you know taught to hate and do atrocities. And but I think we don't really see that it is coming from a place of good. I mean, it seemed harder because it was like, oh, well, they're just going to make you mean.

And one of the things that I've said is I always knew everyone was capable of being a Nazi. It's just during COVID, I didn't realize it only took five minutes. I mean, it was so fast. Yeah, the whole thing just shifted so fast. Like they're the bad guys, they're going to get you sick. If they're not vaccinating, if they're out there without their mask, then turn them in.

It's like, okay, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude. I got one right now. It was like, just in seconds. Christmas of 2020, it was two days before, three days before Christmas, her birthday. I was going to get the vaccine for her birthday. I said, because we were going to travel. What a great gift.

Because we were going to travel and I a great gift. Because we were going to travel. And I needed the vaccine in order to travel. And I went to my hospital where I've been attending for 35 years. I was, first of all, met at the glass door by some dude who's like, what do you want? It's like the entrance to Oz. No way, no how. I have an appointment.

I filled out the thing. I'm here to get my vaccine who are you where's a lot a big shakedown okay fine attending here and a senior attending 35 years this facility walking the floors and uh i go in he goes behind the counter and he starts screaming at me he's like a 28-year-old kid in a security outfit now. Where are your papers? Where are your papers? And I thought, my God, this is like a border crossing in a World War II movie. I couldn't believe it. I thought, oh, that's how this happens.

You give people this authority. You tell them they're doing the right thing. Especially weak people, people that never had authority before, right? And think about it. I'm a senior attending at this facility where I've been walking around for 35 years, and now some kid who was just hired as a security guard is going to shake me down and love it. He clearly loved it. And, okay, because my paperwork wasn't in order,

I had to run around the hospital to convince people that I needed it. At my hospital, they wouldn't give me a covid vaccine because i didn't meet their criteria so i was running around trying to convince because i was taking care of covid patients at the time and i wanted to volunteer in the er in the tent for covid patients because i wasn't scared of this thing right so i'll go in and take care of people i got covid running around the damn place severe covid bad wow bad covid but But then I still have to take the damn vaccine because in order to go to Greece that summer, you had to have your damn card. Oh, man.

To get on the plane, to go to the restaurant. He's pointing to me. It was my fault. No, I loved it. It was great. This is the Adam and Eve story all over again. But I knew I didn't need it. I knew it because, oh, this is the reaction of the vaccine I had.

See that? Wow. That's called a raccoon's eye. And I took the J&J vaccine because I had, oh, this is the reaction of the vaccine I had. See that? That's called a raccoon's eye. And I took the J&J vaccine because I thought, I just want to take one shot. Just one and done. Yeah. Next day, they canceled it. The day after I took it, they took it off the market, and I got the severe reaction.

Wow. And fortunately, that particular reaction is a sign of transverse sinus thrombosis in the skull, which is the dreaded complication of the J&J vaccine. I didn't do it, I swear. So I had the early manifestations, and I just thought, well, we're going to see how this goes. And at the time, no men had had that complication. I thought, great, I'm going to be the only male that has thrombotic thrombocytopenia purpura and a transverse sinus thrombosis.

Great. Amazing. And it kind of went away, but was not comfortable. I was sick for a few days with it too. And unnecessary, totally unnecessary. And by the way,

at the time I was working with a company that I still admire greatly called Adatex that had this very elaborate score of all the different antibodies. Still, we can measure more than just your spike protein antibodies. We can measure it to nucleocapsin. We can measure neutralizing antibodies. It's not part of the routine thing. And it should be.

We've been asking for that for years with the vaccine program. I mean, can we at least start with if my kid can titer out, they're like, well, titers don't necessarily mean that you're, well, then that's, but that's all you use in the trials to say that your vaccine is working. I mean, it's amazing. So in a trial, it's okay. But if I want to test out of getting it, then the titers don't mean anything. I would have been unsympathetic to that five years ago. I know. Now I am quite sympathetic.

Welcome. I don't know how to answer it because the reality is we should be studying more of these more elaborate profiles to be able to know how to use them. But we haven't because nobody's been investing in that. Right. And now you can think of evil intent in that because it's not – but there's a group. Again, I work with a group that should be doing more testing on that. Yeah. I don't tend to lean in the.

I mean, I try to avoid just lopping everything in the evil. I think. It's never lying. There's no must trash twirling. There's no. And it's almost always in the name of good. Right. Well, that's the point.

Right. And I think people think they're doing good. Correct. And the doctors are mostly you know brainwashed to believe that i mean we were just talking about that right that you're sending people home without any treatment whatsoever it's like the first time any illness and then you know in the modern world that we've said you know what the real the best treatment is just don't do anything at all i mean like defies everything we know to be true about modern medicine which is

always the earlier the treatment is the more successful you're going to be but somehow i will even add to that this is the part that bothered me people were sent home with no care our job is to care for the patient once you've seen a patient you were responsible for their follow-up, for their ongoing supervision and care. When I see a patient for the first time, they become my responsibility. And to just send somebody home with an oxygen monitor on their finger and come back when you're blue, just mind-blowing. That was the first shoe to drop for me that was so mind-blowing in this experience. And again, the folks that did that in my profession were employees and they were just following instructions there you go that's how centralization

can do untoward harm i think that was pretty much the argument of the you know every doctor the nuremberg trial right i was just doing what i was told and that ultimately you give me chills when you say that doesn't end up being a defense in the end 70 of doctors were members of the nazi party in germany i i now after being through covet i don't think you have nazi germany without doctors oh i actually that's how far i'm gone with this i listen let me add one more let me put one more feather in that cap and just say you know the the terror the reign of terror in france the the first incarnation of the republic was fairly benign the jackamots it was idealistic and bullshit but it got taken over by the san culotte who was uh who the head of that group was robespierre and robespierre had a committee that

he put together to adjudicate justice and he was doing good in the name of the republic and his committee do you know what it was called this was the one that brought out the guillotines in full force and brought the reign of terror no the committee for public safety right right safety uber alice man that is a dangerous philosophy not only is a dangerous philosophy. Not only is it dangerous for a government to take safety as their ultimate goal, it's no way to live. It's not a life. Right? Absolutely.

You just told me about your skiing. You were not being very safe in your skiing. No, no. I was just, yes, yeah. I was skiing with Robert Kennedy Jr., and as it turns out, the guy likes to go almost 60 miles an hour, so it's about the fastest I've been on a pair of skis in a long time. Now I'm worried about what that testosterone is doing to you now. They're making him a little

hypomanic maybe. Look at that safety term. Here in the United States of America, I mean, is it Ben Franklin that said, or was it Jefferson that said that you should never give up a little bit of liberty to gain a little bit of safety because you'll have neither liberty nor safety? I think it's Jefferson. Again, our founding fathers said the same same thing you know safety is not the answer yes you know the pursuit of happiness allows for danger and risk you know and risk no without risk there's not reward right i get sick when i think about this stuff because it it's so infiltrated the the zeitgeist of young people it makes me feel so horrible for them there's no thrill there's no excitement there's no investment there's no no fun i really grappled this like

because my kids turning 50 he's just turned 15 he's going to be driving a car soon and i'm seeing the end the end of car driving is around the corner right it's just going to be electric cars that are run by google satellites or whatever and they'll'll never speed. You know, I'm sure. And there'll be no accidents. There'll be no anything. But, I mean, that's like the American pastime is just stepping on it once in a while. Our kids are never going to experience that. You're about to go through a little education

because while your kid will get a license because you were there pushing it, at least half of his peers will just not even get a license they just don't care they just have no i guess it was freedom again freedom right freedom i've got a couple relatives like they're like you're not driving like 20 years old like nah i'm like freedom man freedom doesn't have a great virtue for them i don't think or i don't know why that's a really good point yeah i they We have to really, we have to make the future look more enticing and more exciting for young people because I really feel bad for what it looks like to them. I agree.

I've been thinking a lot about that. I've been thinking about, I mean, this is probably in your world more, just all the modernization of parenting, which is like, you know, I hear it all the time. Just make sure that you have a constant schedule, really you know defined schedule and keep everything organized structure structure structure and oh my god your day is not structured kids are gonna fall out all of these like you know what do they call the micro aggressions and all like the and and i'm telling you like working with these young kids coming up which i'm doing more of now as soon as you change anything in their schedule like recently with one of them, you know, we're not going to fly you to so-and-so. Instead, we're going to put you in a car.

You're going to go shoot a video. And they're like, but I'm flying today. I was like, no, no, we're changing that plan. But I have a rental car. I was like, yeah, you're going to take the rental car, drop it off, then just Uber over and hop into the car. We're taking you. And it was back to, but I have a flight today. I mean, I was like stuck in this circle.

And I could tell they were getting tense. Like, wait a minute. My day is already set. And I'm like, it's changing. And I see it more and more. Like, any change, they can't handle it all. So I'm like, you know, and I'm starting to really mess with my kids. Like, I'm tearing out structure.

I'm just going to like, where are we going dad you're never gonna know it's wild time you know wild man big tree that's right we gotta fix the problem here i'm seeing a problem and you don't know what you to have it so on my restream greg the baritone gave us the quote those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor ben franklin ben franklin all right i guess right the first time this has been quoted to me a number of times yeah i always oh sorry sorry i'm just taking a picture good go live i took i was on twitter spaces and i just disconnected it from the spaces for a second. So, okay, there we go. Yeah.

Let's see. Yeah. I mean, we'll just talk about, you know, raising kids, child, like all of the issues that we have. I mean,

and you look at our depression numbers through the room. That is, that's the screens meets a predictable response to lockdown. Just predictable. Yeah. I predicted it when it started. I said, we're going to destroy 12, 8 to 15-year-olds. Destroy them.

Yeah. And I just hope they, your kids in that category, I hope they grow up pissed. They should be furious what was done with that. They took their middle school and high school years and destroyed them. Be angry about that. You know what I think is, when it was happening, I thought it was really weird, but we pulled our kids out of the school. Like we started,

we actually started our own school in Texas, my wife and I, and ended up just saying, Hey, in our school, there's no mass. This isn't happening. We're going to,

you know, and like 55 kids, you know, we had like five parents that agreed with us. And the day we opened our school, like 55 kids walked in. But what I thought was in part of it was my son, you know, at that point it wouldn't have been like 12, 13,

had a really strong sense of himself, but I didn't want him arguing with his peers. We're all wearing masks all the time. I didn't want him having to explain himself. You could imagine how he'd get in fights. Where that would be. And then I thought, this is like no other, maybe I'm wrong, but I felt like every other tragic moment that's happened to a generation, whether it's the Blitzkrieg or some war experience, the kids share that experience and come out of it as a generation saying, remember when this happened to us? What really concerns me about this is that we were so divided on what was actually happening.

My kids are like, this is our government overreach. It's totally out of control. None of this is that we were so divided on what was actually happening. My kids are like, this is our government overreach. It's totally out of control. None of this is necessary. You should be allowed to go to school. You don't need this mask. You don't have to vaccinate. And then the other half of the population is telling their kids, you have to do what's right. You got to wear the mask. This is like the best part. And those people are the bad people. So you're going to have this generation of kids that have two totally diametrical perspectives on what they went through i mean what they got you know they'll find their groups but they won't have a shared trad you know tragedy it's it's totally different experience for both

of them one you know but and for both of them it's a bit like a civil war the other side's perspective was what was really putting everyone at danger caleb unfortunately i can't i can't uh read what you put up there this bunch of stuff piled up in front of the screen uh oh there we go uh yeah we're gonna do that yeah i see it i see it yeah we're gonna we he wants me to talk about the amazon uh yeah we're gonna get into it okay censorship is what i thought we were gonna talk mostly about we got a lot of other stuff here too but before i go to break uh i i want to say that i i always when the way this show is scheduled i get my um electronic delivery of the new england journal of medicine during my wednesday show which just came through and i always okay i was on theL trying to check it here. And the lead article is entitled,

the New England Journal is no longer filled with science. It's got some science, but it used to be just science. Lead article, the risks of normalizing parental vaccine hesitancy. Lead article. There we go. See? See, there it is.

The other side's dangerous. Their kids are in danger. I'm going to read this during the break and see if I can pull out. He seems he might be reasonable. Double down efforts to increase confidence. All right. But is the complexity of the issue addressing parental vaccine hesitancy requires partnerships?

Yeah. He's okay. It's not not what i was expecting it's all right he's he's you know wanting to build this is what all i would ask for build community build discourse build let dell come in and raise his concerns and yeah you know and and by the way and this is the part that i feel very very very strongly about if you guys you pediatricians that want the vaccines to be normalized, you must give physicians

the information they need to give informed consent and that should be memorialized in some sort of document. And if patients want to see the data, you should provide the data. And if they decide in concert with that doctor

that the two of them together decide they don't want to do this, that should be nobody's business. Nobody's business. Now, I understand there are some public health concerns. And at a certain point, I understand that certain diseases, that needs to be discussed that way. But what a doctor and a patient does together is really nobody's business. And the more we intrude on that, the more we violate people's liberties. That's just the beginning of them.

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I got to say, I did it too yesterday. I forgot to mention that on yesterday's show. I did exactly what Susan did. I put it on the part of my hands, that muscle, where it's, I guess, the texting and the holding the mouse and typing the keys. An hour later, I noticed. Am I showing you the same?

No, no, it's up higher. It's like right below my thumb. So mine's different, I guess, than hers. It's like on the inside of my hand. Oh, no, it's the same. You're right right below my thumb. So mine's different, I guess, than hers. It's like on the inside of my hand. Oh, no, it's the same. Yeah, it's right there. It's the same general thing. I literally, Susan, I never tried that that way.

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I did have a chance to look at the New England Journal for this week, and there's some real science in here, I'm happy to say. I'm delighted to see it. It's some really good stuff, too. But that opening article, I will look at a little more carefully as time goes on here and sort of see what we can do. And someone who came with Dell has said, when you see the word

hesitancy you just should think curiosity yeah that people who are hesitant are curious and want information and we as doctors should be very interested in providing that to patients so i don't know uh it's been a very weird experience all this like for instance i'm i'm a paxlovid fan i think paxlovid works great i've've had some great experience with it. I treat mostly very old patients with multiple medical problems who could get into very serious trouble with COVID. And so Paxlovid keeps them out of trouble. And there's some rebound and stuff here and there, even though people have told me, there's no rebound.

There's rebound from Paxlovid. It happens. But it's worth that risk if you have a very old patient with lots of medical problems, and they're going down the shitter with the COVID. This is very, very helpful to have a product. Great. If it's raw that risk if you have a very old patient with lots of medical problems and they're going down the shitter with the COVID. This is very, very helpful to have a product. Great. If it's raw medicine like that.

It's really not been shown to be useful under the age of 65. We really don't know what we're doing with vaccinated patients, even with Paxvid. But I can tell you from my clinical experience, which is meaningful, that there's some utility to this. And so there's, you know, there's, again, it's all about context and the specificity and the risk reward of a given case at a given age with a given medical context. That's what patients should be, doctors should be doing for patients. It's amazing to me that we've gone the opposite direction

at a time where, you know, with all the computers and all the files, we should be able to track people better and deal with them on a personal basis. Instead, everything's becoming more and more of a one-size-fits-all. And I'll be honest, all of these laws that are taking people's rights away,

you're also taking away a second opinion. As far as I can tell, if all doctors, as you're saying, are only employees, and essentially the dictates sort of seems to be coming from regulatory agencies that seem to be taken over by the pharmaceutical industry, and so it just sort of trickles down. than the opioid crisis right that was that was your that was your model for what happened in covet same thing happened evangelizing physicians became convinced that pain should never be experienced in america ever again and that anybody who wasn't using as many opioids as possible was quote opiaphobic

and was guilty of patient abuse not malpractice a criminal act for which the lawyers loved that jumped all over it a criminal action of patient abuse so we started seeing patient doctors go to prison and get gigantic fines for inadequate, not giving enough opiates. That's amazing. Then these same physicians and physician groups got a hold of the VA. They invented pain is the fifth vital sign. VA adopted it as policy. California Medical Association, Joint Commission on Hospital Accreditation,

Insurance Aid, boom, boom, boom. Boom. And there's your opioid crisis. At the end of it, 90% of all Vicodin on earth being prescribed in the United States because of these, again, back to our original model, people believing they're doing something really good. Right. And doing something horrible.

My point being, though, I think you- Deborah Birx, think Birx. Yeah. Lockdowns, she did that. Yeah. Well, look look but i think doctors are just about to just be replaced by kiosks i mean if all the doctor's gonna do is just punch you and what is your ailment and here comes the drug you know here's the drug you give

somebody to be fair i'm pretty sure i can do that myself i just what is what is what is the site that i go to and then just hand it over there's a lot of stuff you should be doing by yourself yeah stuff is pretty routine and perfunctory these days, and we shouldn't be encumbering the system. You certainly shouldn't be going to ERs and urgent cares. Right, taking up that time. That's what I've been doing with the wellness companies. You should have a lot of stuff.

Do you know that you can – people, they're very worried about syphilis right now. Oh, my God. Oh, your phone's making noise again. Is that me? Yeah. Yeah. So –

My phone and this microphone. It's interfering with the microphone. We have these great blue mics. They're great. So great. But what was I saying about this? You know, we should. Syphilis.

Oh, something about syphilis. You know, people are very, oh, syphilis on the rise right now. Do you know you can take doxycycline every day if you're sexually active? And much like you can take PrEP for HIV and prevent HIV, you can take doxycycline every day and prevent syphilis and gonorrhea and chlamydia. Why aren't we doing that more? I don't know.

Or you could just find a decent monogamous relationship. Different issue. Different issue. Different issue. I try to meet people where they are, my friend. But look, I think we can transfer it right now into the conversation that we talked about, which is on this censorship front, right? Because exactly what you're saying, when we see the opioid crisis and you see doctors

being thrown in jail for not promoting and selling more opioids, when you see this level of top-down corruption really being driven by the pharmaceutical industry, all you have in a free country is the freedom of speech. What you have is the doctors like you or somebody writing a book or going out. I was speaking up about it like crazy all through the 90s, and I was crushed by the regulatory agencies, including the Department of Mental Health, my own hospital administration. I was a dinosaur. I was interested in patient suffering. And my heroin addicts who i was

taking off of heroin who were uncomfortable should be given opiates wow it's insane so right insane it was so insane and then they went and killed my patients once i got them off everything i got them well they would put them back on and they died and not immediately by the way the the the prevailing wisdom would be of course, they were no longer sensitive and they took their usual dose. No, they died months and often, usually months later, as the pain specialists stepped up the opiates and the benzodiazepines until they stopped breathing. Do not take benzodiazepines and opiates together, ever. Not without very careful supervision. But the books, books.

Yeah. supervision but the but the books books yeah so i mean what you know what we're talking about right now is jim jordan you know um is having these hearings and you know the same cat this andy slavic guy who you know start you know was reaching out to twitter and the social media platforms you know trying to basically get them to change their algorithm so that anybody that wasn't supporting the government or supporting the vaccine program or things like that there wouldn't be able to you know there we go so so here it is the how the biden white house concluded there was a propaganda misrepresentation it's books sold in amazon's bookstore they would just they would run these searches right and by the way i would say do not blame amazon for this but i saw some tweets before the show. They're going, should we buy a band? Should we avoid Amazon? No, this is the government. This isn't Amazon.

Amazon was just doing its thing. And Amazon was asking, when you look at these emails that were being exchanged, they're like, wait a minute. Are you asking us to get rid of books? These are the same people that are complaining about books that aren't

in the library in Florida. Not books that are unavailable. My book was one of books that aren't in the library in Florida. Right. Not books that are unavailable. My book was one of the banned books, by the way. The book I wrote with my daughter. Congratulations. Thank you. And it was in Alabama.

It was banned. But you can get it. You go on Amazon, you can get it. You can go anywhere and get it. Right. But it was banned in the public library. Yeah. Fine.

I don't give a shit. But this is actual banning of books. Yeah. This is making it so you can't find the books you can't find it i mean what i mean when we talk about like book burning right i mean this is modern burning this is electronic book that's a hundred percent and and we i saw this before uh gosh i saw some electronic book burning but even before covid i saw some waves of this come around so i I'm not that surprised by it. Well, look, people that have been, you know, when I got into this whole vaccine and autism and all of that space, these parents that have been dealing with autism for years

have been watching the books and the things that they're sharing with each other that are working, getting banned like this long before COVID ever came around, right? As soon as they're finding, hey, this treatment seems to be working for me the treatment gets banned the books recommending the treatment get banned they're getting flagged so these are things that have been going on covid just like really i think took it to another level and you know it really tore off the the the band-aid or tore off the whatever cloak was there you know there was a cloak of silence and a boom. It's all of a sudden, oh, I didn't know.

I just didn't know. Well, that's why I told Dave Rubin in the interview last week, like, I'm considering everything now. I'm open to everything. I had no idea. Now I can't trust anything in the mainstream media. I just, I mean, I just. Well, by the way, I mean, and I know you know this,

and we've talked about it, and I've been saying for years, just watch the commercials between the breaks of your mainstream media and count how many pharmaceutical ads there are. And then recognize that is who's paying the salary of the news anchor you're listening to. So if you're expecting a story, if there's a problem with a drug, do you think that that news anchor is going to be able to deliver it? I've been saying that for years. I will tell you now, now that COVID just made these companies like a hundred billion dollars, watch your television now. I mean, I was watching football,

a rare moment, get home to watch a playoff game. And like every, I swear it feels like every single commercial is a pharma ad. I was just on Spotify listening to music. Every commercial is a pharma ad. Folks, they have just taken over the planet Earth.

There's nowhere in media that they are not just telling you, you are sick, you need drugs, you will not live without these drugs. Do you have restless leg syndrome? Do you have a rash? Do you have anything that's bothering you? We've got a drug for it. Come and get it. You know what's kind of funny is that the ones that are not,

I was looking at this last night, in fact, the ones that are not pharmaceutical ads are personal injury lawyers. And Adam Carolla brought this up the other day. He said, he goes, back when I was homesick at school in the 70s, the ads would be about, hey, you learn how to drive a truck, learn how to get a job, learn how to advance yourself. Now it's all personal injury lawyers, how to take advantage of the system. It's really sad. it's really sad it's really sad and then now you were a producer at the show the doctors yeah which i like that show and i like the guys it was a great show i really enjoyed was pharma getting

involved with you guys there were they trying to find their way in did they find their way in you know what i would say about that is you just kind of learn as a producer the stories that you can do and the ones that you should probably stay away. It's not like you get sat down, like don't ever talk about this or do something like this. You just get pushed back on certain stories. Where, from where?

In your meeting. Like when you go in. Or would it be the, oftentimes it was all based on ratings, right? If the ratings are down, they go, Hey,

maybe you avoid that. Yeah. Well, ratings is what's supposed to drive the decisions. Right and i would say i was one i was probably the most controversial producers of all the producers that were on the show i would do very controversial stories like when the who ruled that uh glyphosate which is sprayed on like 90 of our crops is probably causing genetic to human beings i decided to want to do a show on it but i do a lot of research and then i had a debate on the show between, I got Donna Farmer, the head of toxicology

to show up from Monsanto. And I got Jeffrey Smith, who'd written books on the subject and like really had that debate. And the lawyer would always, for the show, would always say, Del, you cost us more money than anybody. But I knew where I was pushing the envelope. Most people are just riding along, but there's certain topics. And you have to understand you're doing interstitials and we're doing product placement inside of the show. So all of those things, you know who you're working for. And so you just, and every once in a while,

there'll be a story like the one that gets me in the middle of this whole conversation. When I pitched the story of a whistleblower inside the CDC that was coming forward and saying they were committing scientific fraud in the vaccine safety studies. In that rare moment, the executive producers laughed. They were like, are you out of your effing mind? We are not going to say that the CDC has corrupted the vaccine program or has bad scientists inside of it. And we're not going to really destroy a Merck vaccine that everyone uses. And so that was one of the rare moments where they just came out and said

it like, are you out of your mind? But usually you just like, ah, we're not really going to touch that topic. What did the physicians in the panel say? Did they ring in on that? I'm just curious. On what? on doing that topic? Oh, no You know the only person I did talk to Travis Stork who you know, really people don't realize I mean He was sort of our moral compass for the show and the anchor But he also was our science specialist like when you would bring a heavy science story He would be the one fact-checking really really smart guy I know I know Travis He's very good really great and not just good side a good clinician and he had a good sense of things and he and i

would talk about stuff so yeah yeah so when i first was looking at that story i went to him personally i said you know what do you think about the vaccine program he's like they don't make any money there'd be no reason to corrupt that that's what i said back then and i didn't i didn't know that that would be i was like that was my struck was like, I don't know where to go with that. That was what, what we were told at the time was that vaccines were a loss to the pharmacies. They were straight out loss. And the only way to make it reasonable for them to manufacture vaccines was to protect them so they could do it. So they could do this loss leader and make this social good for us without

making any money. Right. Yeah. You're laughing. Right. Yeah. You're laughing. I am laughing. But obviously whether that was ever true, I'm not sure, but now we know. So we should ask Bobby Kennedy about that. He would probably know.

Indeed. Yeah. And that's one of the things, you know, Bobby's amazing. I've been working with him for years. We brought some lawsuits together against the government. We won a lawsuit together against Health and Human Services. And now I'm director of communications with him, which is just an incredible honor. But sort of getting back, when we talk about these issues, it's really the corruption of regulatory agencies.

I think at the heart of probably, there's some major issues America's dealing with right now. But if you just clean that one up, if you got all of the corporate funding out of our regulatory agencies and got back to the reason they're there, which is to protect citizens against greedy corporations, you know, that are either poisoning us or putting us in danger. I mean, all the way to the FAA. Look at this airplane issue. And as you hear the story, it's the same issue that I'm dealing with with vaccines. It's the same issue you're looking at when you're dealing with drugs and painkillers and all of it is that.

Bobby said to me it's the same with the military. Yeah. When you put the heads of the industry into your regulatory agency, which is what the FDA did, you look back, and all of a sudden it's like, well, we don't need to pick the paint colors on your plane, so you do that yourself. We don't need to test that. We don't need to design your bathroom.

While we're at it, we don't really need to be involved in testing your engine. You guys do that and just tell us how it turned out, and then you get planes dropping out of the sky, which they did. You start finding out they put an automatic pilot on the plane and never told any of the pilots it's on there. So they're fighting this autopilot. So the whole thing, it's over and over and over again. And when you really do a deep dive in any one of these topics,

I'm not a specialist on FAA or even energy. But when I go to these conferences to talk about what I do know, which is the vaccine program and how that has skipped all the safety testing you thought had happened, and you start talking to someone else that's the head of one of the big voices in one of these other regulatory agency corruptions, it's the same game being played over and over and over again. There's nothing that changes. But halfway into the conversation, I was like, let me guess. I bet you I can finish this story for you i know where this goes yeah i in in my world i was telling dave rubin this i'll say it again here is that i cannot even allow a drug company representative into my office to give me a pen if the pen has a medication name on it

that's the level of restriction i have with interaction with drug companies used to be they'd come in and pitch and all that stuff and yeah no they are not we are not allowed to ethically and i think legally now we're not allowed to have any contact they can send us emails saying would you like samples that's about it and with the samples they'll send some you know material about their drug, whatever. Okay. That's it. While the government shares lives and jobs with these guys. And it's funny.

Again, this is another area where I change. I met, gosh, who was the guy that was the head of the HHS under Trump that used to be the head of Lilly? Really good guy. Nice guy. He's a lawyer. I'm spacing his name, too. I know. But he was somebody. Caleb helped me out with that.

He was helping human resources, helping human services, and he was also president of Lilly before he came over and did this job. I can see his face. I can see his face, too. And I thought, oh, good. Alex Azar. He had. Azar.

Azar. Alex Azar. Yeah. It's like, good. He understands how these things work. He can do it. I he's, yeah, it's like, good. He understands how these things work. He can, right. So you were the, I was like, this is good. This is these regulators.

They understand what drug companies are doing and how hard this all is. And I, and then I didn't consider the downside, which is comical really, but we have to, we, we, we need, we need laws in place there. I think at least you have to have some sort of at least maybe like a five-year stay where you cannot go back into the industry if you're working for a regulatory agency. So you don't just go and sweep in and make a huge investment in your career by working for the government for a year or two. Scott Gottlieb, when you look at these guys, I mean, they go and then they just, it's like they get paid off for having been there. Yeah. See, I don't want to lose the talent. Some of these people are very great talent. Right. It's a different issue. We got to regulate how they're regulating. Something's got very remiss there. And another

opportunity for me to apologize. You're hearing today some of my evolution over the last few years. I apologize for my ignorance to some of these issues before. And I'm sure I've gone too far in some areas, and I've got persistent ignorance in others to this moment. But it's about trying to ascend to the truth, ladies and gentlemen. That is our goal. That should be each of our tasks. What I've been saying lately is, of course, because of the overtake of critical theory and post-structuralism, truth doesn't matter anymore. Truth does matter.

Truth matters to me. Me too. But that's no longer fashionable. Ask your kid about truth. See if it's coming back. The editor for the Wall Street Journal was just at the World Economic Forum, and she said, it used to be that we owned the facts.

We owned the truth. If we stated something in our paper, people just accepted it. Now they want to know where we're getting our information from, and they don't trust us anymore. And I'm like, good. Yeah, how dare we? Finally, how dare they ask us how we came to our conclusion.

So what do you think about the World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization and their so-called treaty? Again, had this been five years ago, I would have been, calm down, everybody. Now I'm like, I've seen what this does. I've seen it. You showed me who you are. You showed me what you do with centralized authority. I've seen it. It's egregious.

It's terrible. You do untoward harm. We can't give this to you i'm sorry you're not you're not trustworthy it just it clearly doesn't work in human systems to be that centralized look i mean first of all when they advertise to you that here's our great plan you're going to own nothing and you're going to be happy that's about all i need right there's like it's like, whoa, hold on a second. And you see it. Then when you see it actually happening, when you watch these giant corporations, BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, moving into the housing market, and now the college students are never going to be able to buy a house. When you see families trying to compete for a home and they're being outbid by a

cash offer, and then you look behind that, what looks like a mom and pop company, but it's really owned by the biggest oligarchs of finance there is. Blackstone. Right. And they're telling you we're going to own 60% of the family home market by, I think, 2030. And then you realize they don't just say you're going to own nothing and be happy. They're moving in that direction.

We're seeing the same thing. We just covered a story. Bobby did a brilliant interview we just put out of this young woman who just had a daycare center that was a franchise. But then the franchise got bought up by a giant conglomerate. They wanted to jack up her prices. She didn't wanna go along with it. And then they started suing her out of existence.

She's bought her ground and they're trying to throw her in jail. And everywhere she cannot get her day in court because everything's turned to arbitration. So they've controlled the arbitration system. You can't get in front of a judge and you're just being outmanned by a giant multi-billion dollar corporations. And now they're behind in what is a really fascinating story. They're buying up all these mom and pop shops and keeping the skin on it. Right. Joe, the plumber, I've been here since 1992 doing plumbing. But if you actually look behind that company, their website, you realize, no, it's not.

It's this giant, you know, corporate massive machine. And they happen to own all the other plumbers in town. So if you think, well, go get a a second opinion you're competing with the same company all of what we see is in america this idea of the entrepreneurs and the family businesses it is being just just taken over by this monster and the wef and this sort of globalist picture this globalist idea is what's doing it and if if we don't wake up, we're really going to be in trouble. We're going to be slaves. It's back to everything centralized, centralized, consolidated, centralized. And then if that consolidated corporate world sidles up to the government, well, now we have fascism.

That's the original definition of fascism, right? It's a government for the corporations. Let's not confuse fascism with totalitarianism and authoritarianism fascism is a government corporate unity yeah and if the if the corporations have found their way into everything it's very small step where the government gets involved well i'm you know it's it's weird because again like going through my background if there was one like hero in my family was jimmy carter i mean when i was like going to third grade oh yeah my parents you know i remember wearing like a peanut t-shirt to third grade you know in texas that was like not the thing to do there and my parents would always

talk about like this idea of the un and it's like star trek all the nations are going to come together we're all being like one global family it was a really beautiful idea and it's a lot of what i think liberals and progressives grew up with right is this kumbaya we're all in this together the bread america can be the breadbasket of the world now i'm like wait a minute you know carter brought in the trilateral commission and like you know and i started looking at all of the beauty if it was ever supposed to be beauty's gone now it's just massive corporate control and power. It owns our government, owns our regulatory systems.

It is now taking over our businesses and it is, you know, deciding whether and all these smart cities, this idea that I'm not going to be able to move 15 minutes from my house. I mean, these are the ideas coming out of the WEF. And this is why I'm such a huge fan of Bobby Kennedy, because this is a guy that has literally been fighting these people in court his whole life, fighting for individuals' rights, for the right to be safe and healthy, to not have your river poisoned. And we allowed ourselves to get like a bad taste in our mouth about regulatory agencies just make business expensive well no i mean they're there to protect you you don't want something just poisoning your river i mean none of us don't want the regulatory agency controlled by the business by the business itself which is where we're at now so now like

when my my family would call and say you know donald trump's gonna blow up the regulatory agencies i was like good i mean in some ways i hope he does remember when he was was in office because at least then you'll know no one's protecting you you need to read every label do not trust anything that you are putting in your body don't trust any of this because they're not working for you they They're working for those corporations. We're just, just look at fluoride in water. You know, there's this, there's this document, this, this study done by the top toxicology company there is, and found that 52 of 55 studies that looked at fluoride, that the increase in fluoride reduces the IQ in children. 52 out of 55 studies and Levine, you know, HHS, blocks it so that no one can,

it was only through FOIA requests that they finally had to let go of a study. When did our regulatory agencies, our health agencies, keep us from seeing that we're actually being poisoned by a product that's being dumped in our water? I mean, this is what's going to stop. This is what Bobby Kennedy, those days are over. Those days are going to be over for this corporate capture. The days of these corrupted scientists that work for industry will be over. I can guarantee you that. The rest of it, you can decide what you want, but that is what this is about.

This is about protecting humanity. It seems like there's a similar argument or story to be told about media with the centralizing authority and yes those you i mean look at all the the parroting of the same things over and over and over again during covid they're all saying the exact same phrases over and over again if one isn't safe no one is safe if one is i don't know where the hell that come from yeah And that was dumb on dumb. But yeah, it's interesting. I found Bobby to be a reasonable guy, very smart guy. He's a good human being and has done a lot of good work in his life. The fact that he gets vilified and turned into a cartoon character

and people says he says things he doesn't say, which is always what happens on social media it's never what you say it's somebody says you said i would say that there's no but anyone that says that they're against bobby kennedy hasn't heard him speak yeah if you really ask you can disagree with him on a lot of this and that but but you you're once you talk with me but oh man this guy's got some idea yeah and and i'm gonna you're going to agree with a lot of what he's saying and who who do you agree on everything they're saying? But the people that really have like a visceral reaction when they hear his name, they've never heard him speak at all. They've got some idea of what he's talking

about. And the big one being, you know, eight years, nine, 10, whatever, you know, since the Rolling Stone article talking about vaccines. And, you know, I'd really like to just take a moment to just clear up for anyone listening right now what your big fear is. It's really simple. I think that it's been blown out of proportion. First of all, Bobby's an attorney, right? All he's been doing is fighting for the protection of people his whole life. So if he's protecting the Hudson River, if the Hudson River is poisoned, it's affecting a few families that fish in that river and those that are downstream. Doesn't affect me. Doesn't affect my life. Why do I care? You don't. Luckily, Bobby Kennedy does, and he's there fighting for the people who's going

to matter and pushing back against those corporations and cleaning up their water so that their way of life doesn't change. Very similarly with vaccines or any pharmaceutical product, as we pointed out, there are side effects to every single thing we take. There's not a drug or a vaccine on this planet that someone's not going to have a serious reaction to. No free lunch in Mother Nature. There's no free lunch. You have to risk rewards.

Always risk rewards. So what's amazing is that this has been blown out of proportion. There is a group of people that are injured, maimed, and killed every year by the vaccine program. He's been specifically working with them, trying to figure out how to protect them. How do we get science done to figure out why are they having a bad reaction

when the other group of people are not? Yep. All right? And how do I identify them ahead of time? And all that. So what I would say to people is, if vaccines work for you, this is what he's saying,

if vaccines work for you, there's nothing in a Kennedy administration that's going to change that for you. All we're going to do is focus and get the nih to say stop avoiding this issue stop saying that's just an accepted casualty of reaching herd immunity what we're going to do is use the nih to say we're going to investigate those people we're going to figure out what's going on on the screen i am not into vaccine i want safe vaccines we're both robust safety testing. It's that simple.

The only thing this guy is going to do is make this program safer for everybody. He also told me he's going to take on some of the scientific publication industry, which is so distorted these days. Very, very concerning. Follow Vinay Prasad. Vinay Prasad, if you want to. Yeah, he's been. He's been all over it.

Very smart man, man physician oncologist and um and he was going to he was going to he said he's going to bring him in on day one and prosecute them under rico yeah for colluding until they figure out how to disentangle themselves from whatever is biasing their editorial process you know we talked about when you have every you know editor from i think it's almost every one of these major journals major journals coming out and saying we can't recreate sometimes 50 of the science that's in here yeah that's another problem that's you know and by the way i don't mind that as long as they get to see the back and forth but unfortunately i don't get to their their their and that's again like with the covid vaccine so many scientists and doctors

that were like really writing very important studies fine attack it they just pull it down well to me the the one that again i i have poster children for the excesses of covid like jay badacharya for me is the poster child for a wonderful man and a wonderful professional who was guillotined yeah that's he needs to be elevated and remembered you know as a as a it's a cautionary tale but one of the the uh studies to your point about getting sidelined was that danish physician that produced the study where they saw 90 of the adverse events from the covid vaccine and 10 of the the vats the the vials. Do you know this study? I don't know. It reminds me of it. That is the study

that was a very carefully, very well done study out of Denmark. A very thoughtful group. I forget the physician's name. We had her. We interviewed her a couple of times. Caleb, maybe you can help me with that. And she showed very clearly early in the vaccine distribution that the vast, vast,

vast, 90% of the adverse events were responsible from a small group of- The batch. Batches, yes. And so what was going on in those batches should be the next question. Let's go study that. Well, guess what? That's what my nonprofit just got the batches released because the problem is we don't know

how big the batches were. And so even with that, that could have been a gigantic batch- Right. Which would have taken so now you're getting at the stuff that uh jessica rose and uh sasha latapova have been talking about which is the way it's manufactured has been kind of screwball also yeah and so there's that it needs to be looked at and addressed but but the the batch issue um that that study was sidelined for two years two years to get It should have been instantly published, and there should have been a follow-on.

What's in those batches? Where did they come from? Yeah. Two years, sidelines, go away. We're not going to publish this. Finally publish, and then no follow-on. Really bad. That's bad science.

Really bad. Or disprove it. Fine. Go disprove it. That's great. But yeah, people are saying here, they saw Dr. John Campbell today talking about the white clots. I don't, be careful with some of these things.

Don't get too, don't get over your skis, everybody. Be careful. Yeah. Don't be skeptical about everything you're seeing and hearing. And just take it all in, but don't run to one side of the boat. Yeah. I mean, I put like one of the things we did, we put a hundred vials under electron spectrometry because everyone was talking about graphene oxide and it wasn't in there. You know what I mean, I put, like, one of the things we did, we put 100 vials under electron spectrometry

because everyone was talking about graphene oxide, and it wasn't in there. You know what I mean? Yeah. It wasn't. I mean, I don't know what to say. People are like, oh, you're working for the other side. It's like, no, I'm just doing careful studies.

Just doing careful studies. We have to look at the double-stranded DNA stuff that's in there, too. All the plasmids. Let's just prove it. Good. Excellent. Excellent. Do it. Not so far. All right. Listen, my friend, I'm so happy you came in here. Me too. Can I plug a couple

things? All of it. I just want to say before you do, we're going to get into all your stuff. Just that this has been our virgin journey in this studio, and I think it's gone well, and I appreciate you being a part of it. It's a beautiful studio. And Susan, are you happy with this so far this is susan's creation you got talking i think it looks pretty good is there anything you want to ask there's more stuff we need to do but i'm pretty happy she's got she's on her on her shit here yeah any questions for

dal before we let him know i want to know about his uh his um event coming up. A lot of stuff. And you go ahead and ask questions about that, too. So go ahead. Yeah, so I'm going to be at the Conscious Life Expo, which is happening all this upcoming weekend at Hilton in the LAX area. LAX Hilton. So that's just a great event. So many different speakers, all sorts of spiritual topics there.

Hold on, so that is the 10th and 11th? Do you have it over there, Susan? I think, is it Friday, Saturday, Sunday? It's on the Monday, I know for sure. 9th through the 12th, is it? 9th through the 12th. 9th through the 12th. 9th through the 12th.

And when you say the Airport Hilton? Yeah. That's on Century Boulevard or something? Right there, yeah. On Century, Airport Hilton. Okay, so look that up. And if you go to Conscious Life Expo, it's right there online.

Conscious Life Expo. So I'm going to be speaking. I'm going to be doing a talk on Sunday at 2 o'clock here at Pacific Time. And then I'm on a panel at 2 o'clock on Monday talking about medical freedom. But I'm actually going to dive into the really touchy subject of vaccines and autism, actually. This is something that a lot of people just want to avoid. But I've got, because we've been bringing so many lawsuits, I've got some of the biggest scientists, Stanley Plotkin, really the godfather of the vaccine program. I have them on the stand under oath. You'd be amazed what they tell you about the science behind these things when they're

under oath. It's really shocking. I would have been so dismissive of this three years ago. Yeah. Now I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical. And I used to, my friend Jenny McCarthy, I couldn't get near these. We were friends and I had to avoid these topics. I'm skeptical. And I used to, you know, my friend, Jenny McCarthy, I couldn't get near these. We were friends and I had to avoid these topics. I'm like, I can't talk about this stuff. Now I'm like, okay, investigate it. Let's get into it. See if we can figure out.

Why not? Why not? Why not? I could blow your mind. I mean, I got some videos that will blow your mind. I'll send them over. You can take a look. Continue to investigate.

Why not? And that's the thing. Like no matter what, you want people like me out there pressing the system right i'm asking questions that's the scientific method it's the the heart of journalism the heart of science is the same never stop asking questions never be afraid to ask a question the establishment whether it's a corporation or a government if you start working for them if you start like the way all of our media is now they seem to be that seem to be that's what their propaganda is. They're like going out of their way to figure out how do we stop the social media people that are telling a different story.

They feel like, I mean, it's so weird to see your media. Like, how do I help them lock the people down? Yep. You know, it's really crazy. V. Becky Menakee was the physician I interviewed. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I remind people every day now.

I'm going to say it again here. There was one scientist that spoke up with a discovery that literally challenged the fabric of everything, of the church, of the interpretation of the Bible, of where man thought he existed, what life was about. And that man was suppressed by the powers that be and put before the Spanish Inquisition twice. Do you want to be part of the group that suppresses the person that ends up being the next Galileo? Or do you want to just allow them to speak and let this science work itself through? We are not going to evolve.

In fact, we haven't evolved away from throwing people in jail when they speak out against industry or the government. It's crazy. And to see this government going out of its way the way it has to really censor people, to burn books, to shut people's websites down, to get them off of YouTube, Facebook, all things that you've faced, LinkedIn getting kicked out. And then ironically, when you see even these Amazon files, what you see is we don't want any books out there that is questioning the efficacy of the COVID vaccine. Well, guess what? Everyone questioned it was right. We were right. It did not stop infection. It did not end up doing what it said. You said it was 95% effective. Fauci said, if you get the vaccine, you will not catch

it. Therefore, you can't give it all a total lie same guy is just now in front of the congress you know basically saying yeah this social distancing thing that destroyed your lives made up yeah kind of came out of nowhere didn't have any scientific basis the very guy that sat there and said if you question me you're questioning science i mean it's outrageous wait wait put that back up that's what i've been saying when you hear the names of legislation or anything done by the government, it's worth remembering that the group that sent so many people to guillotine during the French Revolution was called the Committee of Public Safety,

I think, for public safety. So I've been so good. Elon's raising awareness about that. Retweet that for me, somebody. I love it. Because that is what I've been saying. I brought this up to Adam yesterday. We were doing a podcast, and he was like, oh, my God,

because it's always about the safety. What's that, Caleb? You missed the last part. It's called the Committee of Public Safety, not the Cut Off Their Heads Committee. Yeah, that wouldn't have been as easy to sell. So, look, we have to keep a sense of humor. Let me go ahead and make another pitch for the Kennedy campaign.

We're having a giant night of comedy. It's a night of laughter here in Los Angeles, February 21st at 730. I will tell you right now, we got Adam Carolla in the house. It's going to be pretty awesome. Mike Binder, Bobby Lee, Tim Dillon, Dustin Ybarra, and Rob Schneider. Cheryl Hines is going to be hosting. I understand you might hop on the stage. I would love to.

Maybe help out a little bit. It's going to be a real blast. So people just go to Kennedy24.com, go to the events, and then look up the Night of Laughter. That's going to be really cool. And that's a tour we're sort of starting around the country. Because, I mean, look, we have a lot of work to do. But one of the things is that I love about this campaign is we're not going to make the change we need from fear. We've got to start, you know, recognizing we have power, we're empowered, the people, we the people have power. It's another thing here in California, if people go to

kennedy24.com and then look up our ballot measure here in California, we got to get them on the ballot. So we've started We the People Party. So we need people to just register themselves as the We the People Party. 75,000 registrations and Bobby Kennedy is going to be on the ballot here in California. Did you have an option of We the People? I don't know. Try that. You have to type it in. So go to the website. Can you write it in? It's all online. You can do it online. So it's all set up for you, but we explain how to do it on the website. In California, you could change your party affiliation every 10 minutes if you want. Yeah.

And by the way, it doesn't mean you have to vote for it. It doesn't mean you end up having to vote for Bobby. But across the country, for everyone listening, Bobby is now polling between 21 and 26%. NBC just had him. It's really crazy. That's crazy. NBC just said in a poll that 34% of people said they're considering Robert Kennedy Jr., which means this is going to be a three-way race. In a three-way race, 34% can take

it in those battleground states. So anyone that thinks that there's just no chance, no way, the truth is Bobby takes 5% from Trump, 5% from Joe Biden. He's the next president of the United States. We're really in an amazing position right here. So if anyone's interested, if anyone's interested, go to the website, Kennedy24, all of his videos there, YouTube channel.

What's the web, I mean, how do we change our affiliation? Go to Kennedy24.com forward slash, I think it's ca-ballot

or ballot-ca. I'm sure someone's going to be like, Del, how did you not know that? But look up ballot, California. You can also just go California registration. But the website helps you understand how to do it. I registered through the DMV and it didn't work. But also, I just wanted to mention one more thing. We have a lot of Steve Kirsch fans here. Yeah. And he's going to be at the

Conscious Life Expo. Lots of great speakers. Yeah. So I was just scrolling through all the people. There's so many speakers, so many. So there's some great ones here. And you're busy. I'm busy. Yeah, I've got a lot going on. I feel really blessed. Did you ever imagine, I think about this,

I think about this kind of all the time. Here you are, TV producer, producing daytime talk. Did you ever see this in your future, all this? No. It's so odd that at this stage of life this this becomes it was we have i was a late bloomer for sure anyway it's it's like like you like this is crazy when people have to stand up and do something yeah yeah i think the thing is everyone has to find that something well i think we all have to recognize we're alive in this time in this moment. We should stop complaining what's happening in the world. What is the proverb? May you live in

interesting times. May you live in times where your life actually means something. We do right now. Every single person right now, every dollar you spend, every vote you're making with the dollar and the choices you're making are deciding the future for our kids. All of these issues, AI technologies, central banking, digital currencies, WF globalist powers, whether we're going to hold on to sovereignty in this nation or control of our own bodies, all of these things are going to hit us

in the next five, 10 years max. So it's not like we have to wonder what our grandchildren are going to be dealing with. We are deciding right now in this generation, in this moment, the future of our species. Are we going to adhere to the idea of freedom and liberty that was endowed to us with this great constitution and Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights?

Or are we going to throw it away and become a centralized authoritarian system that can't leave our homes? I mean, all of that is literally hanging in the balance right now in our hands in this next election. I can't imagine why that would be appealing to people. Me neither. It's so hard for me to understand that, but I try.

I always try to understand other people's points of view, and I'm still trying on that one. Dale Bigtree, everybody. Anything else? Did we miss everything? I think that's it. We can always do this again. I would love to do it again. You'll be out here again.

I would say I feel blessed because I get to live a life where I'm constantly forever curious. I'm just passionately curious. And if that's hesitant, then so be it. Be curious. All right. Thank you guys for being here today. Let's put up the schedule going forward, everybody. It's been a really great week.

Thank you, Emily Barsh, for booking our guest. It was Roseanne yesterday. It's Adele today. Oh, Nikki and Jim Norton tomorrow. They are so funny. It's a change of pace. But Jim's got some ideas. James O'Keefe on Monday, a special.

So I think it's noon. Jimmy Dore, Alex Berenson coming in. Zuby coming around. Rob Henderson, social psychologist. Check it out. We've got lots of great guests coming. Dr. Willie Soon. Dr. Willie Soon. Dr. Willie Soon.

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And tomorrow is with Nikki. Is it the same time tomorrow? Tomorrow, yeah uh they're gonna actually be a little later 3 30 or 4 o'clock okay they have to come across town from tiger belly okay so they're on bobby lee's show who will be at the yeah event um which is great i feel so bad for them they've been here for probably like a week and it's been raining the whole time it's terrible they're new york but we survived the nicky's from like finland or something she's from norway or something you know she's used to cold yeah but when you go to california you're always like looking forward to the it's pretty today it's

all over it's better today don't believe the press it was way overblown what happened here we had a it rained that's what happened in california it rained yeah but we can't drive deadly rainstorm we have nasty pacific storms that come through here every so often. And this one only, and I mean only, lasted three days. Usually they last seven to ten, and that's when they get bad. That's when we get the mudslides and stuff. Anyway, it rained. Some people had some mudslides.

Of course. When it rains here, shit happens. I'm just waiting for a tree to fall on my house. Do you know the tree fell? You haven't driven out here. What? There was a tree that fell across our street. Our street? Our street. And the city was here sawing it all up when I left

this morning, I guess. It was yesterday. I haven't left the house all day. It was when I went to Newport. It was across the street then. Well, at least they came out and did their job. Yep. And we was gone. I got across, no problem. All right. Tomorrow, 3.30 to 4.00. Check it out. Well, at least they came out and did their job. And we was gone. I got across. No problem. All right. Tomorrow

3.30 to 4. Check it out. Jim Norton and Nikki Norton. What's that? It's 4 Pacific tomorrow. Okay. It is 4? Yeah. So we're going to do it at 4. Yeah, I guess.

Thank you, Susan. 4 o'clock. Thank you. I don't know. 4 o'clock Pacific. Thanks, Del. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having you, Susan. Four o'clock. Thank you. All right, we'll see you then. I don't know. Four o'clock Pacific. Thanks, Del. Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me, Drew. It was a pleasure. See you soon.

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