Ask Dr. Drew - "Died Suddenly" Whistleblower Dr. Theresa Long on mRNA in Pilots w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 160

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome everybody. Today, Dr. Kelly Victor and I will be welcoming Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long, whom testified at the Military Whistle Protection Act, or under that act, that she had witnessed symptoms of myocarditis in pilots who had received the mRNA vaccine, and she was concerned they would die in flight. However, she was informed by her superiors that those concerns perhaps were not going to be pursued. And one morning she says, I had to ground three out of three pilots due to vaccine injuries. So we're going to talk about that and her sworn testimony. I'll tell you more about her pedigree and background. And of course, we are out there on Twitter spaces. I'm watching you all on the restream.

Starting point is 00:00:39 And of course, at the Rumble Rants, I'll be watching you there as well. And after I speak with Lieutenant Colonel Long, of course, Dr. Kelly Vickie will step in and we'll hear from her as well. So let's get right to it. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. Psychopaths start this way. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

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Starting point is 00:03:05 and February 1st, Dr. Ryan Cole comes back. He very kindly was on the Twitter spaces yesterday. It was kind of interesting to get an update from him. I had a chance to ask him about whether or not there was immunohistochemical changes that we could document to tell us whether or not the proteins embedded in the endothelium that he was seeing in these patients who died of essentially endothelitis myocarditis, whether that also included the fragments of spike protein, the mal-folding spike proteins, which have sort of also, it's another category that has been sort of unattended to, I have lots of questions about. But I want to get to our guest right away. Let me tell you a little bit about her.

Starting point is 00:03:39 It's Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long, MD, MPH. She has served as an Army since 1991. She has a bachelor's in neuroscience from UT, a MD from UT as well, however, in Houston. She completed residency in aerospace and occupational medicine at the U.S. Army School of Aviation, master's in public health from University of West Florida. She received her specialty military training in the medical management of biological and chemical casualties, as well as medical effects of ionizing radiation. She's also trained as an aviation safety officer and as well as an army flight surgeon, amongst other things. Please welcome Dr. Teresa Long. Hi, Dr. Drew. Thank you for having me on your show.

Starting point is 00:04:21 It is a pleasure. Thank you for joining us. Before we get started, you had a comment you wanted to make. Yes. My opinions are my own. They do not reflect that of the United States Army, the DOD, or any entity thereof. Has anything changed in terms of a willingness to kind of... So here's, let me just frame it this way. We know that we rushed these vaccines out. It was an emergency circumstance. It was an extraordinary time. Things were rolled out quickly. The usual process of use authorization, as well as just the usual practice of bioscience and how things are sort of assessed. All that was skipped in the name of getting this thing out as fast as possible.

Starting point is 00:05:08 Why suddenly when people see signals here and there and ask questions, I wonder if there's something going on here. Why don't we go back and do the usual research proceedings that we would customarily do to look at whether any of these signals have validity. Why is that a sin now? I'm not sure. That's a great question. And why we've deviated from all of our safety procedures and processes in place, why we've completely abandoned risk management and all the principles of epidemiology. It's really quite something to see. And anyone with a background in epidemiology would want the data on the emerging adverse adverse events that are going on after this new novel technology platform for what they are calling a vaccine was introduced not only in our military, but across the country and

Starting point is 00:06:16 around the globe. And there doesn't seem to even be a healthy amount of scientific curiosity about the adverse events that we're seeing and the signals, safety signals that are glaring in every aspect. What are your most concerning signals? My most concerning is that I have a fixed population of 4,000 people that are extremely healthy and fit. They're selected for their health and fitness to be pilots, and I monitor the health of that population decline and to see upticks in things that, you know, in 30 years in the Army and 16 years as a practicing physician in the military, I had never seen such a clustering of very unusual things in such healthy young adults and especially

Starting point is 00:07:29 young males. And so in the military, there are doctors that just happen to put on a uniform and there are officers, there are army doctors. And so when you're trained to think about anything that could pose a threat to the health of our fighting force, you know, even if it was rolled out and all the regular safety systems had been in place and we had taken the time to get this right, you still should be monitoring. There's a reason that vaccine vials have lot numbers and people should be looking at lot numbers. Perhaps there's a correlation between, you know, increased amount of adverse events in a certain lot number, but to have no discussion whatsoever and for people to completely and blindly believe that this thing is as safe as air and water when they have no historical data to back that up.

Starting point is 00:08:38 How do we tease out, this is something I've been asking for lately, and I'm shocked that it's not sort of priority one. How do we tease out what's COVID, what's vaccine, what's vaccine and COVID? Because any one of those could be the main culprit, or it could be distributed across, who knows? It could be any possibility, because they seem to have done nothing to answer that basic question. Well, they'll point at things and go, see, it's all COVID. Unvaccinated people have less this, less that. Really poor observational sort of correlational studies. They need to do the real studies to decide what's COVID, what's COVID plus vax, what's vax, what's booster. Maybe there's a corollary. Maybe it's just the boosting. But don't you agree with me that we got to answer that question, priority one?

Starting point is 00:09:27 Yes, absolutely. And before the majority of the force was vaccinated, one of the things I was kind of screaming from the rooftops was that we needed to check for antibodies and we needed to see if people had already been exposed to COVID. And I knew that if we did not get those lab results on people before we vaccinated them, that this is exactly where we would be, where people would always, the pharmaceutical companies and the people that push this would always have the excuse, well, this was COVID. And I encouraged everyone I could, if I can't dissuade you from getting this, I encouraged people to at least go, even if it cost money out of their

Starting point is 00:10:15 own pocket, and get tested and see if they had antibodies to COVID so that if they got sick later on and people tried to say, no, it was just COVID, you could say, nope, this is the day before I got my vaccine, and it was negative. And it could still be, yeah. It could be some variation of that, but you're surprised. I'm sorry. To my surprise, I was ordered not to order antibody tests on anyone, that we were not supposed to do that, which is seemingly bizarre. Let me circle back around and talk to you as a public health official, as somebody with training in public health at least. What's going on?

Starting point is 00:11:00 What happened to our public health officials? I'm so confused, and I've been confused for two years, and confused about different things every step along the way. One of the first things that confused me was the mandating, the lack of risk-reward, and the certitude, and the use of fear. Those things were just astonishing to me. What do you think is going on here now? Well, I don't know, mass psychosis.

Starting point is 00:11:35 I will tell you that I have seen is even in providers, you had all these providers that jumped on this bandwagon and they had all these providers that jumped on this bandwagon and they, you know, they had all their virtue signaling and they felt really great because they were, you know, doing their part. And they did not put in the time to sit down and read, not what the CDC was telling them or what Anthony Fauci was telling them, but actually sit down and read the scientific literature and look at the studies and do their own research. They didn't. So now they're in the position where they have promoted this as safe and effective. And they've staked their reputations on that, and they don't know how to admit that they recommended to their friends and their family and their patients something that is not safe and effective.

Starting point is 00:12:36 And there are going to be serious consequences. It wouldn't be the first time a medicine came out after widespread use. We found out there were some problems with it. I've been through many cycles of all kinds of medication that have been in that category. Why suddenly this one, we behave totally differently. It's so weird. And by the way, I certainly wouldn't ask those same people to come off their position completely. I still, although Dr. Victory disagreed with me, I still think that in the

Starting point is 00:13:05 elderly population, I think I know what I'm doing when I'm vaccinating and boosting. I'm not as worried with the younger females, but there are some concerns there. I'm just worried about this one population with the younger males where there's a very heavy signal that everybody's seeing, but everyone's ignoring. And why to say, hmm, now after we've spread it out, we've used it widely, a billion, we're starting to see a signal. We have to refine our risk reward, or at least be able to do better informed consent. Even why is that? Why is just getting to that place? So impossible. Um, I think we have seen this, this, um, momentum in a direction that was not science-based. And it's really quite astonishing to me that any dissension from this was stamped out immediately. And there was a swift and brutal response to anyone who tried to speak up and just say,

Starting point is 00:14:10 hey, you know, there is a long litany of history of the pharmaceutical companies being sued, having to take drugs off the market. And somehow this has become a sin to even, you know, mention that there might be a problem here. And, and I, I don't know how we step back from this, but I, you know, it's just like I teach my kids, you know, think very carefully before you do something that, that is a one-way direct, take can't take it back, and it's going to have second and third order consequences. But I think to motivate people for medical treatment out of fear was a huge driver in

Starting point is 00:15:01 the wrong direction, because fear is a very powerful motivator. But I would tell you on the battlefield, if we had bad intelligence and we were working off bad intelligence and soldiers were getting slaughtered and we realized we had bad intelligence, we would not, for ego's sake, say, let's keep going with this game plan let's keep moving forward we would find good intelligence um and we would we would have to pivot from where we were at if we wanted uh to win that battle and that's something uh i'm seeing people will not do is when they realize there's a mistake that has been made here and not even go into the backstory of why we're at where we're at, but this is where we're at. And clearly the safety signals are there and we need to pivot and people don't want to.

Starting point is 00:16:03 People, I'm not sure who the people are necessarily. I don't know if you can necessarily comment on that, but it is, well, the fact that fear was systematically used to me already as an ethical problem. That is, I've never ever, I mean, I guess we did a little bit of that back in the AIDS epidemic, but it was done, actually it didn't work. And we finally realized that the way to do it was to use humor and music and relatable stories of people with these conditions and, you know, tell narratives. And all, it was actually a discipline that developed of how to change health behaviors, particularly in young people. And it was, very clearly that authoritarianism and fear, no, that didn't really work. Now, we're trying to get the entire population on board quickly in the case of this pandemic. And I understand why they

Starting point is 00:16:55 might have used some fear, but they should have at least been contemplating the risk reward of that and the ethics of that. And it seems to have not been something that was contemplated and is currently not contemplated, which is, again, I worry that public health officials are being trained in ways that are problematic because it was so, it wasn't ubiquitous, but it was so commonplace amongst even the local and county level mental health professionals, so-called? Well, when you train in public health, they train you about messaging in a disaster situation that there has to be one unified message that is repeated and regurgitated ad nauseum.

Starting point is 00:17:42 An unfortunate long message. And so... an unfortunate long message and so is it possible is it possible that that that technique is from a day of a completely different media landscape of sort of broadcast radio and television rather than the current ip2ip kind of communication that goes on, in which there is ample opportunity to say, to explain your position, and not just put it as a shibboleth out there, be afraid, shelter in place. That is the most disgusting, unless there was an incoming nuclear missile. It's the most disgusting thing I ever saw. Do you agree with me? Yeah, I do. And a lot of people, when it comes to aerospace medicine, a lot of people ask me, what do you do? So our entire focus is on the health of pilots.

Starting point is 00:18:43 And I always tell people there's, there's two populations of people that just can't take everything and anything that's over the counter, pregnant women and pilots, right? You pilot can't take a Benadryl and just go fly. That could cause a major air disaster. So I think the most alarming thing for me was to see this complete deviation from all of our risk management principles and aerospace medicine decision making. at when Peter McCullough called me one day and he said, Colonel Long, the CDC is about to have an emergency meeting about the increased incidence of myocarditis in young, healthy males. And he said, this is your population. Oh my gosh, you guys have to, you have to hit the brakes. You can't do this. And the risk of sudden cardiac death. Now, so to a flight surgeon or anybody in aerospace medicine, the thing that actually just is terrifying to us is something,

Starting point is 00:19:56 sudden incapacitation that is unpredictable is the thing that we are hypervigilant about because, you know, you're talking about having X number of souls in the back of the aircraft that are dependent on that pilot. And so, you know, that was the thing that really caught my attention was that we were putting our young healthy males at this increased risk of myocarditis, which put them at an increased risk of sudden cardiac death. And when you look at the literature and you see that most people with myocarditis don't have any symptoms and that this like potentially the only way to truly know whether or not they had myocarditis is a very, very expensive cardiac MRI or cardiac biopsy. And you realize quickly, this is a nightmare. We don't want to go down this path of having to get these super

Starting point is 00:20:54 expensive cardiac MRIs on every single pilot to ensure that they're safe to fly after every, you know, six months, uh, and after every vaccination, but there was no relenting. And I will tell you, I talked to, um, a very senior cardiologist for the FAA very early on. Um, and he completely agreed with my entire assessment that we had to stop vaccinating pilots, that this was a disaster. And the FAA has pushed forward with that. I would add, and document more clearly the cardiopulmonary effects of COVID in the intermediate to long-term. Both those questions for pilots need to be answered, right and because we're now into the endemic and people seem to seem to have lost track of what endemic means which means we all get it and we all get it more than once that's the way it is and so i'm still here people say i can't

Starting point is 00:21:55 believe i got it yeah okay you're gonna get it but uh dr long we're gonna take a little break here i want to bring dr kelly victory in as soon as possible i i appreciate your your forthcoming with this it's a very interesting conversation more to be revealed we'll take a little break here. I want to bring Dr. Kelly Victor in as soon as possible. I appreciate your forthcoming with this. It's a very interesting conversation. More to be revealed. We'll take a quick break. Be right back with Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long. I want to give the gift that keeps on giving. GenuCell Skin Care keeps everyone on your holiday list looking young and refreshed. And who doesn't need that type of luxury, especially over the holiday season? GenuCell has so many products that Susan and I love. GenuCell's X-Fee Moisturizer locks in moisturizer fresh. And who doesn't need that type of luxury, especially over the holiday season? Genucel has so many products that Susan and I love. Genucel's X-Fee Moisturizer locks in moisturizer on top of the serums, making dry spots a thing of the past, especially great with the colder climate and all

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Starting point is 00:25:06 ends here. The rest of the show is available at drdrew.tv. There's nothing in medicine that doesn't boil down to a risk-benefit calculation. It is the mandate of public health to consider the impact of any particular mitigation scheme on the entire population. This is uncharted territory, Drew. Welcome, Dr. Kelly Victory. Thanks for having me. I am. Maybe we should tell the story of your relationship with Lieutenant Colonel Long. That's what I was going to start with. Dr. Long, thanks so much for being here, particularly right before the holidays. I know you've gotta be super busy.

Starting point is 00:25:50 You came on my radar about a year ago, really just about a year ago now, based on the testimony in front of Congress. And I'm gonna get into the weeds with you on actually some of these adverse events and the actual data. But I wanted to frame it up for people how that happened. But one of the thing that got me permanently banned from Twitter was actually posting a link to your sworn testimony in front of Senator Ron Johnson's committee called A Second Opinion. And when I posted the link to that testimony, I set off a firestorm of just vitriolic, hateful commentary,

Starting point is 00:26:34 people gunning for me. And within 36 hours, I think, I was permanently banned from Twitter and remained in Twitter jail. I find it amusing that of all things they would call misinformation, a link to sworn congressional testimony is misinformation in the mind of some Twitter fact checker. Anyway, before I get into the weeds with you on the data, I want to frame it for people a little bit what it was that you were reporting. I was on every news network that would have me, when your testimony became live, reporting

Starting point is 00:27:13 on this. You and two of your other career military physician colleagues, brave people that you are, believed that you were seeing increases in certain categories of medical conditions, blood clots, fertility issues, neurologic issues, myocarditis, those sorts of things. Rather than running around like a bunch of bandy roosters screaming, this is what we're seeing, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, you took the time to reference DMED, the Defense Military Epidemiology Database, something that you have access to that Dr. Drew and I do not because you're in the military. You were able to look back historically over a five-year period and calculate the average incidence on an annual basis of these

Starting point is 00:28:01 different categories of things, heart attacks, strokes, miscarriages, fertility issues, Bell's palsy, whatever it was, and you compared it to the incidents that you were seeing in calendar year 2020. And in fact, it was only 11 months of it, as I recall, because you only did it through November at the time you said, holy bejesus, this is what we're seeing. And the numbers that I put in that tweet that you testified to were things like a 470% increase in blood clots to the lung, a 300% increase in miscarriages, a 270% increase in heart attacks and on and on. So it was truly something that I think you did that was stunningly not only brave, but insightful to not just say,

Starting point is 00:28:53 we think we're seeing this, but to say, here are the numbers. We know what we're seeing is real. So that's where you came onto my radar a year ago. Nice to finally get some time to talk with you one-on-one. Talk about that data, that process of what you and your colleagues did, what the process was, how you came to the decision to look into it and take it from there. Sure.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Well, I started to see unusual things in a very young, healthy population, and having an epidemiology and public health background, it quickly caught my attention. And you can call around to other colleagues and say, hey, what are you seeing? And it's a lot of anecdotal, yes, we're seeing unusual things. But very fortunately for me, when I was getting my master's in public health through the military, I was given access to the defense epidemiology database for my research project. And it was a year long research. And so I used the database very extensively, I was trained on how to use it. And so basically, in the database, all across the entire Department of Defense, we use one electronic medical record system. So it doesn't matter if you're in

Starting point is 00:30:20 Afghanistan or Texas, all those records are accessible. And so what the DMED does is it takes ICD codes or international of disease that are specific to a disease, injury, or illness. And you can query this database and, and it's really a pretty amazing database. You could narrow it down and see how many pilots on Fort Rucker had pulmonary embolisms during a certain period of time or whatever. You could look all the way across the DoD. You could look at just females, just Hispanics. I mean, it's really pretty amazing. But when I was told that they were

Starting point is 00:31:09 not tracking, tracing, or monitoring adverse events, I became very concerned that what I was seeing locally was not just local. And one day I was sitting there and kind of thought, well, I wonder if I still have access to the DMED. It's been several years since I completed my research. And I did. And I sat down and I started putting in everything I was seeing. And the numbers were coming back just horrific. And we rolled out the vaccine in the military in January of 2021. And so 10 months into 2021, the numbers were off the charts. And I called up Colonel Chambers and asked him,

Starting point is 00:31:59 like, hey, tell me some things you're seeing. And I started pulling those codes and asked him to take a look at the DMED, asked Major Sam Sigaloff and Lieutenant Mark Bayshaw to look in the database. And we couldn't believe what we were seeing. And all of the things we were putting in were consistent with the things that we were seeing. And, and you, you know, we kind of racked our brains. It was very nerving because the data was so catastrophic. My attorney was very fearful for my life and how we would get that data in terms of someone who could do something about it or look into it. And so we ended up bringing that data to Senator Johnson, Ron Johnson, and within a few hours, Moderna lost $140 billion in stock. So it's pretty concerning. Well, and again, just to put this in perspective

Starting point is 00:33:09 for people who are listening, when you reported, for example, a 300% increase in cancers, compared to the annual average, a 300% increase in calendar year 2021, it wasn't an increase from one case on average to three. It was an increase from 38,000 cases on average to 140,000 cases. Okay. So these were orders of magnitude. These were not small numbers. Statistics, as people know, can be very deceptive. If you say 300% increase and you mean from one case a year to three, it doesn't mean much. But you were talking in the tens of thousands of cases, and I assume that was the case for the other categories of illnesses or conditions as well. Yes. And things like, for example, pulmonary embolisms, what the general public

Starting point is 00:34:08 may not understand is the prevalence, meaning how much disease, how many pulmonary embolisms a population has over a period of time is very consistent. And so um, so I could actually take when people started saying the data was, uh, fabricated or made up, um, before we ever released it, we looked and we crunched the numbers and we said, okay, what is, what is the prevalence of pulmonary embolisms in this age group? And we calculated out what we should be seeing in, in, in, uh, in the military population. And that was consistent with the 2016 to 2020 numbers. And, and then you look at 2021 and it's, it, it, it wouldn't make sense. Um, you know, in retrospect, people said, well, the 2021 data was accurate, but there was a supposedly for five years in our surveillance system

Starting point is 00:35:15 that was underreported. So they went back and they elevated all the previous year's numbers. But for something like that, you would say, so you mean to tell me that in the military, we've always had pulmonary embolisms like 10 times the national average, and the national average including people all the way up to 90 years old. So are we to believe that our military has always been sicker than the general population and we just didn't realize it? And that's- Well, I want to push back a little bit right there, Dr. Long, if you don't mind, just a little bit of pressure right there, which is I would expect you to have at least more DVT with the prolonged position in a cockpit or a flight deck for long periods of time. I would imagine that pilots

Starting point is 00:36:12 would have a higher incidence, even though they're younger, certainly higher than their cohort of the same age when the prolonged sitting and whatnot and lack of mobility. But the other thing is, and just going to share my own observation, I personally have not seen a lot of DVT from vaccine, but I saw a lot of DVT from COVID, a lot, when they were acutely ill, not subsequently. Well, I would tell you that if you, actually the database can go all the way back to 1990. And so the database was not just looking at pilots, it was looking at everyone from across the board. So, so no, we're a younger, healthier population with less comorbidities than the general public. So it wasn't just one ICD code. It was numerous ICD codes. And the other thing we did is we looked at ICD codes that we had no pathophysiologic basis to believe would increase with COVID or the vaccine.

Starting point is 00:37:18 And I won't tell you what we ran numerous of them. And they were steady, really steady, no increase. And so, I mean, we did a lot of queries and a lot of consulting specialists. Yeah, so, and I was really very, very impressed with what you did with this. So you come up with this data now, and it wasn't just one or two categories of things. It was many. And as you said, you compared it to other things that you wouldn't expect to have an increase in incidence of appendicitis or whatever else.

Starting point is 00:37:58 And lo and behold, those were very stable, as you'd predict. So you take this information of Senator Ron Johnson, who, by the way, as an aside, is one of the only people in Washington doing anything about anything. God bless him for his efforts. You bring this to him. What was the response of the military? Talk about that process. I can't imagine... So you've got this trove of data that you're about to blow it wide open. Talk about what was their response. Nothing. Nothing.

Starting point is 00:38:36 So they didn't say, we want to look at it with you. We want to understand it. These are our pilots that are, you know, in charge of some pretty important things. Um, nobody wanted to discuss it with you. Not a single person. To this day, have they? No. And, um, I did go on to pretty much demand to meet with a senior leader and laid it out for him. And I just saw the blood drain out of his face as I brought the numbers and laid out for him meticulously a lot more data than the general public has seen and reasons why the data was credible. And, you know, as this person told me, if what you're saying is true and if this data is true, I'm going to make it right. And I'm like,

Starting point is 00:39:45 you can't make this right. It's been injected into all of these people. It can't be undone, but we can start screening. We can start setting a screening process in place to make sure that we identify any potentially deadly things like myocarditis early. And, um, but, but I think what is the bigger story is the complete absence of dialogue about this. And, um, many people would tell you, uh, myself, Pete, Sam, um, we literally prayed we were wrong on this because it was probably the most painful couple, you know, to, to, for me to realize what I was seeing in, in my local population was, was part of a much bigger picture and, and being in, in the position of how do I protect soldiers and how do we get this information to people who will do something about it? Well, I certainly share that sentiment.

Starting point is 00:41:01 I get no joy out of being right about this because the implications are are horrific and one of the reasons that this platform you know for me came into my being on this platform with drew came into being was because of the egregious censorship that has happened the total lack of dialogue that before kovat robust vigorous debate was a cornerstone of medicine and something that we really took pride in. And it has been absolutely non-existent, as you know. You and I were speaking a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about some blood work that you do routinely on soldiers and your ability to determine whether or not somebody perhaps may not be vaccinated on the basis of routine blood work that you're running. Talk a little bit about that. I've been pretty surprised to see

Starting point is 00:42:01 suppression in the white blood cell count, neutrophils and lymphocytes, and not just in one or two people, but that's completely normal. And, and let's just say, reasonably, they, you know, they're not maybe vaccinated. But I have never to see that consistently across the board in numerous young people and not just one abnormal lab, but repeated labs are abnormal, is concerning. of CBCs and I have not seen this many abnormal CBCs in my whole 15 years prior to this year. I still have that same lingering question though, guys. The lingering question is COVID, COVID plus vaccine, vaccine plus COVID, just vaccine. Can you tease any of that out for us? I never, honestly, I never saw any of that with this consistency before the vaccine was rolled out. But interestingly enough, at the most recent discussion with Senator Johnson, Dr. Ryan Cole talked about how in the tissue samples, what he sees is a ton of neutrophils and lymphocytes within the tissue. And it made me start realizing maybe all of those are getting sequestered into

Starting point is 00:43:53 there. But Dr. Drew, you bring up a very important point that correlation does not mean causation, but we are not talking about this. We're not looking at this. And right out the beginning, my concern was that they had the studies that showed, they said, you know, we're vaccinating all of these people because the risk of getting myocarditis from COVID infection is what we're preventing with this vaccine. And I said, well, okay, the risk of myoditis is 2.3%. But what, and then when we, we had the CDC come in and say there was a increased risk with vaccine, my big concern is, is it synergistic? What is the fact? Because now when I've seen 98% of the people COVID positive in the last year are fully vaccinated and they've gotten two bouts of COVID.

Starting point is 00:44:56 Now we're talking about people with three and four risk factors for myocarditis. And I don't know, does that put them at a 30% increased risk? A 20% and I don't know does that put them at a 30% increased risk a 20% I don't know but we like to there's no way for me to do risk mitigation when when I came completely blind and so since we don't have the data to completely ignore that that it is a concern and it is a risk and just not talk about it, it's not acceptable. So take us. And I was going to say, take us to the perspective of the soldier. You know, you're a career military physician.

Starting point is 00:45:42 Are you personally how does it work in the Army? Do soldiers come to you to get a required vaccine, or is there like a vaccine clinic, and they just go there and get that done? Or are you personally responsible for giving these mandated vaccines? And either way, what is your conversation with these, the average soldier? Are they gung ho? Yeah. Feeling awesome that they got to get their, you know, their fifth booster, or are they not keen on this, but are doing it to keep a job? Let's talk a little bit about that whole thing. Sure. So we have vaccine clinics. So generally, we keep track that we have a dashboard that shows us if they're deficient

Starting point is 00:46:33 in getting their HIV annual test drawn or their immunizations up to date and those types of things. So we're aware if someone's deficient in an immunization, but we do not, we are generally not the people who do the immunization. Now, when the vaccine mandate came down, historically, we have a list of reasons why someone could be exempted from the vaccine to include a disinfection demonstrated by antibodies. And for this vaccine, for COVID, all of a sudden, natural immunity didn't count. And all of a sudden, you know, people who had an allergy to polyethylene glycol, they, that didn't count. And so all of a sudden we're deviating again from longstanding procedures and policies

Starting point is 00:47:34 with no explanation why. And I was, I was forbidden from having any say on whether or not people I was responsible for got a medical exemption. And when you see all of these deviations that don't make sense, really start to raise a lot of flags about why all of a sudden natural immunity is not a reason to not vaccinate somebody. And why aren't we checking antibodies on people? So one of the things that occurred to me before this conversation was that all three of us, you, Dr. Drew, and I all took a Hippocratic oath. We share that in common. We not only all went to medical school and did residencies, but we all took the same oath. I have on top of that, I have a very strong faith. It's something

Starting point is 00:48:42 that I haven't discussed with Drew, but I have a very strong faith that keeps me grounded in my medical practice. But you answer to a third, very powerful, you know, authority, namely, you know, the commander in chief. You answer to a third component that I do not. How have you balanced that, your medical oath and ethics and training along with your commitment, your oath to the government and to the military? Well, that's easy. For me, I obey God i'd leave the consequences to him um my morals my ethics are not they're not for sale and i won't compromise them and you know i before i ever came out publicly um i brought my concerns high up in the defense health agency and on the spot was given a medical exemption. And once I came forward as a whistleblower, I lost that exemption.

Starting point is 00:49:55 And but I had told my family, look, I have to do this. It may cost me my medical license and any other part of the military and my wings, but I have to do this. And I'm willing to lay all of that down because you cannot compromise here. Um, I, I will not compromise the health other people are indifferent to what is going on and why other people would compromise that. They took away your medical exemption? Yes. They removed your medical exemption when you when you released this data oh it was it was supposed to be for for a time and and um and then i was told that that

Starting point is 00:51:15 that that duration was was no longer going to be um respected and and that's nothing i didn't you know i didn't think that that it was appropriate for me to get an exemption when other people with the same, you know, concerns wouldn't get an exemption. So I've, I've filed for a religious accommodation request. I've already gotten the first denial back and, you know, we weren't talking about a handful of soldiers, we were talking about upwards of 250,000 soldiers who were facing being kicked out of the military. And a lot of people don't realize that right out the bat, anyone who is in a command position was told that if they did not get vaccinated, or they would not order their soldiers to get vaccinated, they were immediately relieved of their command.

Starting point is 00:52:10 So right off the bat, you got rid of any critical thinkers. You got rid of anyone who had concerns about about this vaccine. that and that to me is one of the scariest parts of it is that when you call the herd of anybody who actually is capable of um of having critical thinking or had or dares to dares to ask a question i'm sorry drew i cut you off twice i we we have i just noticed a lot of hands up in the twitter spaces and there was another physician on hand here can Can we take a question? Sure. You guys up for that?

Starting point is 00:52:48 Or comment. We'll see what she wants to say. Mary, I want to give you a chance to speak. You have to unmute yourself in the lower left-hand corner. There you are. What do you have in mind? I don't know why we're not hearing her. Sometimes there's a little delay on some of this.

Starting point is 00:53:08 Mary, maybe you're... Caleb, can you help us with this? I'm looking. I don't see any sound coming from her yet, so she might not have unmuted herself. She looks unmuted, but I think the mic may not be working or some such thing.

Starting point is 00:53:23 Well, there we go. There was my big plan to get some questions going in there. Yeah, but I think this issue, though, which you're bringing up, Dr. Long, is really critical. The idea that we are culling the herd of anybody who would ask questions is happening not just in the military. It's happening in health care as well when you start removing everybody from you know the hospital staff and you know relieving people of their admitting privileges if they dare to ask questions all you're left with is a bunch of robots i'm sorry that sounds like mary hi mary hi dr drew Nice to talk to you. I'm a doctor in Dallas and I'm just listening to Colonel Long's story and it's just unbelievable that she's having to go through this. who represented this as safe and effective without doing research, needs to go back and do a lot of research and, you know,

Starting point is 00:54:30 look at the population that it clearly the risks outweigh the benefits in many of the population. And for her to sacrifice her career in honor of her oath, her Hippocratic oath, and to step forward and do what she's done in order to support her patients and do no harm, I think is just what we all should be doing. And I commend her for that. And Mary, let me interrupt you. I would even say there's a simpler middle ground for physicians who are uncertain about those risk populations and these signals is to just go and say, hey, it's hard for me to give you fully informed consent because we haven't really

Starting point is 00:55:15 finished the evaluation yet. The data is suggesting things. It's really about the consent process in the meantime. You could also choose not to give them to certain populations where you're seeing a signal, but at the very minimum, raise the issue with the patient. There are doctors that are concerned. There's research that needs to be done. As we make this decision together, let's talk about these things. And I even will say things like, look, I hear a lot about these problems, and so I might be a little biased by it. If you really are hell-bent on getting the vaccine, I will support you in that, but I want to make sure you're fully informed before you do it. Exactly, and that's how I handled it in my practice.

Starting point is 00:55:55 Yes. Lieutenant Colonel? Yeah, and Dr. Drew, I would say that that was one of the starting points was really, Dr. McCullough called me and I read the information. Hey, thank God we have this renowned cardiologist calling us with information that could impact us. I immediately asked at the very minimum, I was mortified to go into work the next day, see the immunization clinic up and running without pause. And I asked in a series of emails, could we at least hear

Starting point is 00:56:35 that everyone was getting informed consent about this risk of myocarditis, that there was a pending meeting, that there's forthcoming information. And I was reported for that and got me into a lot of trouble for even asking if they could have informed consent. And I came from a place where when you only have across the entire DOD, only 93 soldiers deaths attributed to COVID, we have meticulous record keeping system. So I was saying, unlike the general, we could literally 25 year old down and say, across the DOD, we had zero 25 year olds that are African American, you know, everything about your demographics that died from COVID, um, versus this vaccine, um, in which we have this, these emerging trends from VAERS. And now we have concern for this age group with this CDC meeting. The idea of form consent was no. And soldiers, and despite what people think, we do not forfeit all of our rights when we go into

Starting point is 00:57:57 service. We are not slaves. We are not big farms lab rats. We're not. We are the sons and daughters of this country that people have loaned for serving our country, not for serving any kind of interest in the pharmaceutical company. And Mary is the fourth position in this little group. I just want to say, isn't it so odd to you as it is to the three of us? I'm guessing you feel the same way. Yes, absolutely. I, my, my complaint has never been about the speed or the, or even the technology. I understand why we rushed it. My problem always was, was informed consent.

Starting point is 00:58:43 And even my ability to find research was so hampered by the censoring that I couldn't even give informed consent, not for lack of trying. I literally dedicated hundreds of hours to trying to answer this question. I knew that I would have to ask every single patient. We would have to have this discussion about what the benefits and risks would be. And the science was so incredibly censored and so difficult to come by. And, but, you know, you can dig and find that there were certainly... I would push back, I would push back even on the quote, need to rush it. There's a need to rush it only if you

Starting point is 00:59:27 continue to suppress the fact that there are readily available, safe, and very effective treatments. It was only because they continued to promote the idea that there's no treatment for COVID. They continued to censor anybody who talked about using fluvoxamine or inhaled steroids, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, all of the huge cocktail of medications that we knew, really from the very beginning, within a matter of weeks, we knew that those things were effective. Peter McCullough had already put together a protocol

Starting point is 01:00:01 within a matter of less than two months in the start of the pandemic, we had a protocol for treating it. So the illusion of the necessity for rapidly pushing this vaccine was really based on continuing with the therapeutic nihilism and denying the existence of safe, readily available medications. Well, Kelly, I think... And, you know, I'm just a... Go ahead, Dr. Perlman. The point I think is important to make, informed consent is even more important

Starting point is 01:00:34 in the military setting because only the President of the United States can waive informed consent of service members. And so you cannot force a service member to take an EUA product without a waiver from the President of the United States. We have never, that waiver has never been issued. So now you're talking about a population of people

Starting point is 01:01:01 who can be ordered to do something with the threat of everything from negative action to imprudence for disobeying an order. So informed consent was paramount and you cannot just say you know they're in the service they don't have any rights just stand in line shut shut up, take your shot. And who ultimately pays when these service members are injured? Is the American taxpayer is going to be paying their disability, not the pharmaceutical companies, but the American taxpayer who's paying the medical bills when they are injured and they have to receive a lot of medical care. It's the American taxpayers. And again, the pharmaceutical companies aren't are getting off scot-free.

Starting point is 01:01:47 No, I agree with you. And I also have said we have enjoyed, Drew, for decades now. We have enjoyed not having a draft. We have not had any selective service for decades now. With the exodus of young, healthy military recruits and the hesitance of people to join the military because they don't want to be forced to take a vaccine that they either don't want or don't need because they've already gotten natural immunity, that's a real problem. I would not be surprised if this vaccine mandate for the military ultimately translates into a

Starting point is 01:02:27 reinstitution of the draft as we have simply not enough service members to run a military that's capable of defending this country. Crazy. Super crazy. I want to circle back to the early treatment stuff. And you and I have sort of disagreed on that the whole way in our relationship. But I do want to, I always want to keep people updated on my thinking because I, what I've always said was, you know, I, I saw people using all those things at the

Starting point is 01:02:52 early part of the pandemic and I'm not sure they did anything. People got really sick, still got really sick. And the Paxlovid really interrupts that. But I have to tell you now, I have seen so much rebound from Paxlovid. I'm getting very concerned about it. The rebounds are nasty. And so under 65, I'm increasingly convinced that is a wrong drug. There's still molnupiravir if you want to try something like that. But my feelings of Paxlovid have shifted a little bit. And so I just wanted to update as I talk about these things. Well, there's a reason I call it Pax Lavoie. Yeah, I think that

Starting point is 01:03:32 why we wouldn't entertain those things early on is simply mind-boggling. And I remember going to a senior leader and saying, before the vaccine rolled out and everyone's terrified that they're going to die. He said, why don't we try chloroquine and offer it to everyone? And we can gather enough data. We are a small population, but enough for a study. We could gather all that data, and by the time the vaccine rolls out here or so, we'll know whether or not it works. It's not going to harm anybody, but we'll definitely know if it helped.

Starting point is 01:04:14 And the answer is just no. And so, you know, if you're truly in such an emergency that you have to go at the speed of science, why wouldn't you try everything in your toolbox? This doesn't make sense. Kelly, we have to kind of drift towards the, we have to start to move towards wrapping up here. So I'm going to leave it in your hands for a few minutes. Yes. I was, thank you. I was just going to ask Dr. Long, where, where do you go from here? Uh, you've been incredibly brave. You're a COVID truth warrior. Um, I like to consider myself in that same, that same boat. Uh, it hasn't been easy. I'm sure you have suffered the slings and arrows as well. Where do you go from here?

Starting point is 01:05:13 Well, I'm going to keep pushing forward, trying to take care of soldiers. I think repealing the vaccine mandate is not enough. A lot of damage has been caused to people's careers. Like you said, our recruiting is absolutely failing. We have a mass exodus of people leaving the service. We have people leaving because they're injured. And so the bigger question is, how do we recover from this? And whether I have a part in that recovery process in the military, I'm not sure. But I think people can see from Twitter and the Twitter files, this is big explosive stuff coming out on the Twitter files, and it's not being covered by any news media networks. Just like when the DMED data came out, it wasn't covered by anyone. And I think it is the most accurate epidemiology database in the United States and all of the data and all of the information being completely ignored. It's very concerning. Well, I certainly, I did my part. I have a very big mouth and I went on every news network that would have me, as I said,

Starting point is 01:06:31 and exposed that data and I will continue to do so. So I really appreciate you coming here because I think it's unique data. You had the ability to access epidemiologic data that the rest of us don't have just because of the unique nature of the way that the military captures these ICD-9 codes. And I thought it was fascinating and a brilliant way to look at it. So hopefully it won't ultimately get ignored. Hopefully they'll continue to delve into the weeds on it because it's important information. And I thank you personally for being willing,

Starting point is 01:07:10 not only brave enough to come here, but smart enough to do that data analysis. Well, I think it has to be said that the data, what's more concerning, that potentially our surveillance system was glitching and defective for five years during the pandemic or that the data is accurate? Both of those are very concerning to me. Yeah. And back to Kelly's point, it's a uniform, healthy population, specifically the group we are most concerned about in the short term. I hope you, about repeating these shibboleths,

Starting point is 01:08:05 these empty slogans with repetition and just nonsense. And that just, it's just not pertinent to the present moment, the way the media system works today. It's just ridiculous that, that I took away that. And the other thing that's ringing in my ear head is this, that there's a senior cardiologist who turned pale in front of you,

Starting point is 01:08:23 whose ear you have, I hope you can twist his arm yet again to try to get a few weeks of data. Let's get some data going in here. Let's get some perspective something if it is all possible. But we do appreciate you coming in here very much. And I will tell you that throughout all these chat threads, we're looking at just universal praise for your courage at stepping up and doing what you believe to be right. Well, thank you. It would be great if Elon Musk would put this out on Twitter space and take up this Twitter file that never got tweeted out, I think. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:03 Well, I'm looking at our Twitter spaces here. I don't see him there, but maybe there's some other ones amongst the Twitter spaces. There's a lot of people there. There's a lot of people in Twitter spaces right now. But again, I'm looking for Mr. Musk, and I don't see him there. Let me out of jail.

Starting point is 01:09:17 There are others. Let me out of jail. Maybe he's in there under a secret cell. Dr. Drew and Dr. Vickery, I greatly appreciate your guys' relentless effort to bring the truth out and to just openly have a dialogue about it. I think that is the concerning thing is the lack of dialogue and the lack of curiosity. Yeah, it's odd. It's weird. log and the lack of curiosity. Yeah. It's, it's, it's odd. It's weird.

Starting point is 01:09:47 It's like, it's hard to understand as all three of us and Mary, the other physician that came up here, we all had the same quarter, like the head shaking, which my head's been shaking for two and a half years now. But thank you, Dr. Long. We'll let you go. Thank you for your service. We can help you and thank you for your service. You let us know.

Starting point is 01:10:04 Okay. All right. Take care. And then Kelly, Kelly, go. Thank you for your service. If we can help you and thank you for your service, you let us know, okay? All right. Take care. And then Kelly. Kelly, you and I are in here tomorrow with Steve Kirsch, which will be an interesting. For my birthday. It's Susan's birthday tomorrow as well. My favorite guest.

Starting point is 01:10:16 So, and Steve. He had us in YouTube jail a couple times. Yeah, every time we had Steve come on, we'd go in YouTube jail. I just wanted to mention how good Kelly's skin looks today. I noticed it. I was like, I'm not a genuine. I'm a genuine. Kelly said genuine. Yeah, I am. I'm a genuine. No. Yeah. I'm going back in time now. Yes. I'm a genuine self convert and I've got my, my now beloved Dr. Drew bobblehead. Thank you for that. I received it in the mail. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:10:59 There they are. Two of them. There's hers. There's mine. Merry Christmas. Thank you go thank you thank you all right uh yeah so i'll be back with using the product absolutely tomorrow but also i'm gonna tell you i don't know if you've seen asim malhatra and the stuff he's been saying in britain and in front of parliament whatnot i had the chance to interview him on a podcast i've talked to him a couple times since then that you you know as usual i don't agree with everything he says but but oh man has he got a he's got a very compelling case when you hear him speak he is he is you heard him before oh i i yeah i that's why i invited him on i think he he's spectacular. I think he was a really, really staunch vaccine proponent early on.

Starting point is 01:11:50 And he has done a 180 largely because of what he's seeing. He's saying that the signals are clear. What we are seeing is unacceptable. This must stop. And so, no, he will be a great guest. And then, as you said, we've got, uh, uh, Byron bridal coming up who just has got fascinating, uh, information he's in Ontario. Uh, and then we'll have Dr. Ryan Cole part two coming up in February and then I'm sure we'll have some others in between, but yeah, really great,

Starting point is 01:12:24 great guests coming up and people again, willing and brave enough to have the conversation. Um, so hopefully people will make time for those shows. I'm just shaking my head. It's truly odd that it requires any sort of bravery. It just, it's just businesses should be business as usual, but here we go. Well, that's what I said when I first posted that in, in referred to Dr. Teresa Long, Lieutenant Colonel Long, as a whistleblower.

Starting point is 01:12:49 I said, how odd. In the past, we used to just call them honest physicians. Now she's a whistleblower. When you're releasing data that you see as a physician, no one called you a whistleblower in the past. You used to be just a truth teller. But times have changed. We didn't even have a category. It was just what we did.

Starting point is 01:13:16 Here's the data. Shared data, shared information. I'm seeing something. Are you seeing something? I'm seeing something. And that was it. Well, okay. So Steve is. seeing something are you seeing something i'm seeing something yeah and that was it well okay so uh steve is uh well you know what i just keep thinking is if somebody designed this

Starting point is 01:13:31 this virus you're getting paranoid exactly what they would want to do take down the the air force well you know i mean it it and to somehow get a little paranoid streak she's listening to us for too long i the communist plot always gets me i'm sorry i just can't so truth is stranger than fiction this is war baby yeah i want to save our people and not make it worse well we want we're looking for the truth and uh it's truth now the the vaccine was good at the beginning because a lot of people were dying that we couldn't you know was running rampant you know you're having a hard time with some of your elderly patients so it was great for that i don't think anybody although steve kirsch will say this tomorrow i correct me if i'm wrong let's put this out there i i'm not we're not

Starting point is 01:14:17 saying the vaccine is bad we're saying it needs to be not given to 25 year old maybe not given needs to be reconsidered may you may go as far as saying needs to be not given to 25 year old. Maybe not given. It needs to be reconsidered. You may go as far as saying needs to be halted while we examine more or whatever, but we're not saying that. Are we saying that? That's not my opinion. You tell me yours.

Starting point is 01:14:34 Well, I am saying that that I'm saying that the signals are so strong, are so overwhelming that we need to halt the vaccine immediately. I, I, I think there is absolutely no indication at this point for anyone to be getting it, given the strength of the adverse event signals

Starting point is 01:14:54 and given the fact that the new variants are so mild and given that we have ready access to effective treatments. So I think it's a three-pronged thing. The vaccines are unsafe. They aren't effective in stopping it. We have mild variants right now, and we've got other medications to treat it. I see no justification ethically, morally, scientifically for continuing it. Pull them off.

Starting point is 01:15:21 Do the studies. Do the studies that should have been done before. And there may be a time in the future when we can relaunch them, perhaps with some changes, but not right now. Yeah. I'm going to say my position is, and I think Steve Kirsch and Mulhatra is going to agree with you. My position is we accomplished a lot with them at great risk and with moderate amounts of harm it appears

Starting point is 01:15:47 but we accomplished quite a bit but to forge on with the kind of um you know intensity and certitude is just seems nonsensical to me to go yeah you've got to do it it does not seem right to me people want it they should be able to get it. But this, this, it's not a mandate, but this near mandating and sort of, uh, it's just, I don't know. It doesn't seem wise to me. Okay. Well, there we go. Uh, Dr. Kelly Victory, we will see you in here tomorrow at three o'clock. Yes. We'll be back tomorrow. Looking forward to it. Thank you for your service, Kelly. As I say, if this continues much longer, I'm going to need more than GenuCell. I'm going to need vodka.

Starting point is 01:16:26 This is, this is. Tomorrow's my birthday. Tomorrow's your birthday. All right. Well. Susan, get on that. Okay. All right.

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