Ask Dr. Drew - DOJ Investigating Medical Journals For Fraud; Publishers Call Letters “Harassment” w/ Elijah Schaffer & Dr. Ram Yogendra – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 481

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

The DOJ is investigating top medical journals for biased editorial practices, alleging they suppressed studies on COVID-19 vaccine risks and alternative therapeutics for partisan reasons. NBC reports the science publications (including CHEST, New England Journal of Medicine, and Obstetrics and Gynecology) were sent letters “questioning their editorial practices.” In response, medical journal The Lancet called the letters “harassment” and claimed science in the USA was being “violently dismembered” by all of these annoying questions being asked by the peasants. “This corrupt web of suppression, fraud, and retractions demands a legal reckoning,” writes epidemiologist Nicolas Hulscher. Dr. Ram Yogendra, MD, MHP, is a board-certified anesthesiologist with a public health background. He advocates for vaccine injury research, highlighting issues like the persistence of S1 spike protein in monocytes post-COVID-19 vaccination. More at https://x.com/dryostradamus and https://covidlonghaulers.com Elijah Schaffer is a journalist for The Gateway Pundit and the host of Slightly Offensive on Censored.TV. He’s also a news presenter on Vigilant News Network. Schaffer filmed the Kyle Rittenhouse shootings, was inside the Capitol on January 6, 2021, and went undercover in groups like Antifa and BLM during the 2020 riots. More at https://x.com/ElijahSchaffer 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠ • FRESH PRESSED OLIVE OIL – Olive oil packs the most flavor and healthiest nutrients when it’s fresh. Don’t settle for stale supermarket olive oils – get it direct from small, award-winning farms! Get your free $39 bottle for just $1 shipping & taste the difference at ⁠https://GetFreshDrDrew.com/ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, today, amongst other things, we are going to get into the department of justice investigating medical journals for essentially Rico action, which is what RFK junior promise would happen. I didn't realize it was going to happen through the department of justice, but it makes sense that it would. The journals are calling it harassment. Several journals, the journal OBGYN journal chest, and a couple that have not yet been identified. Great guest today, Dr. Romuald Gendro, who's been doing research on long COVID and long vaccines got finally got his stuff published. He's going to talk about his frustration with doing so. And then in studio, we are an Elijah Schaefer studio. And he joins me today as a journalist

for the gateway pundit host of slightly offensive on censored as well as almost serious on riff TV. He is a presenter on Vigilant News Network and he's known for having filmed the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting and being inside the Capitol on January 6th. Let's get to these guys. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre.

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as we often do when we're in Florida. Thank you. Yeah, I know, we had to clean up the party real fast. It's getting out of hand, but. Well, there was a famous episode here last time we were here where I dumped Coca-Cola all over their soundboard, which I'm shocked that he's letting me come back, but here we are.

That was the excuse we told you guys. You can follow Elijah on X at Elijah Schaefer, S-C-H-A-F-F-E-R. And just as a sketch, tell people about how you got into the public view and what the consequences were for that. Yeah. Just quickly, I don't get too into it. We got a lot to talk about today.

Yeah, yeah, I'll just say that. I was a journalist embedded in covering extremism, both on the left and the right during the year of love and of peace 2020. And unfortunately, filmed quite a few people get murdered, including the people who got murdered from Kyle Rittenhouse.

Or as you know, in self defense, as it was a verdict and also ended up at the Capitol on January 6 inside of Nancy Pelosi's office, not legally, but luckily for me, Trump won, so my investigation officially got closed. I had a press conference with Pelosi's office, not legally, but luckily for me, Trump won. So my investigation officially got closed.

I had a press credential, right, with the Sergeant of Arms there, so I wasn't technically breaking laws, but I'm just grateful to be alive and well and glad that we all know the truth. You're just kidding, we don't know the truth. You left the country for a minute. Yeah, I had to leave. Yeah, yeah, I had some curious things going on. So I left to Australia and then they had more precarious things going on and now they have their new hate speech laws

So my podcast is illegal there. So I had to move back. Did you see? It is so ridiculous. Did you see Winston Marshall in the press pool yesterday? No, no, no, I didn't but you mentioned it Yeah, yeah So he I mentioned on the almost serious podcast, I guess, because I love that guy. And he, you know, they put new media, you could end up in the press for, you know, they put new media in the front row there

and they get the first question out. And he said, given the seriousness of the transgressions of civil liberties in Britain, would you consider having, what's the word when people seek us? Would you have a silent seer from the UK? Would you consider having, what's the word when people seek us? Would you have a silent secret from the UK? Would you consider that? And Carolyn Levitt to her benefit said, yeah, I'm gonna go look into it.

I'm gonna talk to the national security group. Yeah, they care. I mean, if you put a meme up, this is real stuff. People always talk about, oh, if I was alive when Hitler was out, I would have hid the Jews. I would have stood up. But then things happen today. You see people getting jailed for just a picture and it's like, well, you're not even standing up

for a lesser crime. Why would I think you would stand up to something greater? Lesser crime with lesser consequence. And most of them are climbing on board, which to me indicates they'd be the prison guards. I would not be standing up. They would be the freaking prison guards. I mean, we saw it during COVID.

Anybody who yelled at you for not wearing a mask, prison guard, 100%. Anyone who reported a neighbor for having a barbecue, prison guard, we saw it during COVID. Anybody who yelled at you for not wearing a mask, prison guard, 100%. Anyone who reported a neighbor for having a barbecue, prison guard, that's who you are. Well, unfortunately today though, I think these prison guards would be a little more out of shape than the ones back then. You know, I see a lot of times they would be dressed as sharp. Well, you always see the most unhealthy people, right? I mean, it's like, Hey, you know, I'll wear a mask if you drop 80 pounds. That's how I feel like we can make an agreement. So, well, Susie, you have something to say. I'm just saying.

And that was being nice. I could have said 100, which would have been more honest. So you heard the opening that I mentioned about the investigation into the medical journals. Are you aware of how difficult it has been to get data published that ran in any way contrary to frankly the White House's narratives, particularly on COVID and vaccines?

Unfortunately, yeah, because my background is genetic engineering, and I used to co-publish on studies back in the day from the NIH. Not like you, not some, I claim to be some extreme expert on any topic, but- If you were a genetic engineer, you were an expert in genetics. Well, I wouldn't be a genetic

because I was still working on my grad school, I dropped out, so. But I will say this, I did know that there were many times where I was told in my abstract that I had to make claims that I knew probably weren't true in order to guarantee the funding due to the agenda of whatever department

was giving out the grant. And I remember always being uncomfortable, having to tie certain things in the study to other things. And sometimes saying, hey, maybe we'll leave that inference out, even a bit with inferences based off of repeatable research.

It's something that we can prove in a bit. Yeah, but that PI doesn't like this, so he might not further, he might give you more of the grant. So from the PI up to NIH, this was before COVID,

I saw the corruption there. And I mean, the journals, we all know, like it's a peer review, but it's sort of like the studios deciding what movies get into theaters. So it's the same thing. Yeah, peer review seems like a very adulterated process to me. It's corrupted. Yeah, it's corrupted.

As is the publishing process. I mean, the fact that so many great articles, really, we eventually did see them. And Dr. Yogendra is gonna bring us his when he gets in here. He has a wild story about how they kept asking him to make changes that were identical things he had made and gotten published before and claiming, oh no, no, this is something totally different.

He had to show them the actual sentences that were identical to pray. We'll get into it. I don't remember the details. Is he gonna get to meet Yogendra? Should we bring him in? We'll do a little crossover maybe. He sounds, look, I agree with that.

I think everybody knows the biggest thing was during medications like with ivermectin, that is a very common medication. And at a certain point, that could get you kicked off of YouTube, off the internet. Oh, we got there. Yeah, talking about that.

And you go, it's so strange to me. Doctors talking about a medication, book, YouTube, Jail. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. It's like, you would see, I think when I first saw Dr. McCullough, he's like a highly published cardiologist, maybe one of the utmost respected experts in his field, having papers not published by critical journals,

because he was disagreeing with the science. I go, okay, this isn't a marriage. It's not like one person gets to pretend to be right. There's either truth or there's not. Well, so explain about the science. There is no such thing as the science. There's the scientific method, right? What is your understanding of the scientific method?

Let me see if you have the same understanding that I do. Yeah, well, what we work with in actual physical sciences is we say, okay, this is more of approach or a method. Physical, biological science. Correct, is that we are going to take something, variables, we will manipulate them, we will record the data after observing it, and then we will make inferences,

which some people say it's not part of the method, and then if it can be duplicated or repeated, then over time we could change it from, you know, just being a hypothesis to perhaps a theory. A theory, a theory. And it's not part of the method. And then if it can be duplicated or repeated, then over time we could change it from just being a hypothesis to perhaps a theory. A theory. And it's very simple. So you first have a hypothesis, then you have an experiment,

and that's the manipulation part, and then you have a statistical analysis, and then you repeat it. Correct, that's easy. That's it, that's the scientific method. It's not complicated. A fourth grader can pick it up. But it's delicate.

It's a delicate procedure. As soon as you F with it in any way, it's no longer the scientific method. I mean, it has not changed since Francis Bacon came up with it, right? And if you're doing something else, it's not science. I mean, you can do data analysis, you do all kinds of things, right?

And those are useful and important. That's not the scientific method. And the science does not exist. It was social science. That's what I always tell people. It was just pop culture social science. It was an actor told, I always, I thought this was funny. I remember arguing with YouTube

when they removed a video of mine. The vaccines were rolling out and I made a claim that turned out to be true that you're on YouTube so I don't even wanna say it. Well go ahead, they've been a little better lately. Well I was saying. Ever since they went in a hat in hand to try to make nice with the administration.

Because I was saying this is more like a genetic therapy or like. Oh a gene therapy. Yeah I was saying this comes across from what I was reading from what it was when it was first getting rolled out. I go, this is sort of something that you might wanna give to someone in desperation, who's suffering with, exactly, with cancer.

I know we've talked about these things. That's what it was designed for, it was designed for cancer. And by the way, I was very enthusiastic about it for cancer. Well, as, look, as anybody is, when you're, like, as my mom died from cancer, when she's dying, when you hear that there's a, And anything. That has a 90% kill rate,

but she's got a 100% chance of dying. Having that 10% sounds like a good idea, but when you're a healthy 21-year-old guy or a 14-year-old girl, and they're telling you you need to take something, any bit of risk is something that you have to greatly think over and think through before you want to introduce that into your life.

Well, and almost serious yesterday, I was telling you, it made me an absolute maniac about bodily autonomy, bodily freedom, and freedom of speech. What was the abortion people? I can't understand. My body, my choice. I know, I can't understand it. There was so much insanity. It was so weird. So weird, so much of that stuff.

And then a couple years later, when Roe v. Wade was pushed out, we got back to the my body, my choice. So we took a break. We took a break from the flu. We took a break from RSV. We took a break from logic. And then everyone just sits here and goes, Oh, come on, man. Don't be like that weird uncle at dinner that, you know,

wants to be racist or whatever. You're like, no, no, I'm not just complaining about minorities or something. You guys persecuted us and I have it on video and we all have it on video. And we have the documentation from professionals on, this was a universal persecution. This is like, what, do we, should we stop talking about the Holocaust? Do we stop talking about things because years have gone by?

I thought we were supposed to learn from history. Where's the COVID museum? That's what I wanna know. When do we get our- Ooh, I like that. When do we get a museum documenting the crimes of what they did to humanity? That's interesting to me.

That is interesting to me too, I'd like to contribute. I would too. But back to history, so we have these really weird claims that Elon Musk, when he went like this, my heart, here's my heart, was somehow making a Nazi salute. It was a Roman, he's throwing a Roman, right? That's what the kids call it then. heart was somehow making a Nazi salute. There's a Roman, isn't that a Roman, right? That's what they call it, kids call it that. But let's go back to history.

Do you think for a second, the Nazis like hid their salutes? Did they low key their salutes, right? They were hugely quite, and by the way, they were quite deliberate in making these gestures. They weren't afraid of the swastika. They weren't subtle in doing it. Correct. And I've met Nazis over the years,

most of them are in prison, and they're just sort of pathological sociopaths and things. They put swastikas on their foreheads, they're very sick people. They also will be very clear about their gestures and things. They get their ass kicked in prison and maybe somebody settles down then, but it's not something you do on the DL

if you're a Nazi, right? If you're Nazi, that's a thing. How do these people get away with calling people Nazis who are clearly not, have never, I don't understand. Why don't you just call them a Martian, right? And you're just hiding, you're hiding some aspect to yourself that should be obvious, like you're a Republican or you're a Democrat

or you're whatever. No, no, no, they're hiding this. They really mean it. We can read their minds. This is bizarre to me that people are buying that. It's Bolshevik propaganda. Well, it is. Well, it's Hitler, you know,

Goebbels used that kind of thing. They called it the big lie, right? They make a big lie, then they repeat it, and they repeat it is. Well, it's Hitler, you know, Goebbels used that kind of thing. They called it the big lie, right? They make a big lie, then they repeat it, and they repeat it, and they repeat it, until people started to think it must be real. Well, but that's what people have to realize. Like, just because, you know, militarily, the Soviet Union, you know, per se,

you say, oh, the America won World War II. Technically, the Soviet Union won World War II. The communists won World War II. You mean they defeated the Nazis in the field. Technically, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But you have to realize that, you know, when you take down one giant, the communists won World War II. You mean they defeated the Nazis in the field. Yeah, but you have to realize that when you take down one giant, we still had the Soviet Union.

We still have communism and they were infiltrating the United States before World War II. They've been infiltrating the United States after. And part of their KGB playbook was as you bring this disassociation society, anybody who wants to

bring order back, right, we're not even talking about bringing racism, discrimination, anti-Semitism, you're just trying to bring order back. For instance, just because black Americans had to use a different drinking fountain 70 years ago doesn't mean that they can be doing street takeovers in the middle of Los Angeles, okay?

There's a balance of, okay, maybe wrongs were committed, but yet we don't wanna create more chaos from what we saw as chaos. The KGB playbook is, okay, once chaos is introduced, we must keep the chaos. So therefore, anyone who tries to bring order, we must do what? Call them a fascist, and then we must archetypically,

link that to Nazism, which of course, the Americans for their right reasons, wouldn't be largely accepting of Nazism. And then we'll also throw it in the movies and lay this idea that Nazis are the enemy, Nazis are the enemy, and what? If you say and you want order, you're not just a guy who wants order,

you want authoritarian Nazism. So it demonizes the call to order. It makes people afraid for their jobs because calling for order won't make you lose your job, but being a Nazi might. But you told me yesterday that you had some data that suggested that Gen Z was moving towards more authoritarianism,

which was really shocking to me, I can't believe. 52% right now of 18 to 24 are believing some form of authoritarianism might be the solution out of the housing and the cost of living crisis. What would that be look like, redistribution of something? They lean towards authoritarian communism and fascism. In fact, in fact- Or is Trump their solution or is-

No, no, no, they think Trump's too moderate. I see. So I went to CPAC. Are you familiar with that? The conservative PAC? Yeah. So, you know, I have a popular show with young people. My audience is like pretty much 18 to 25 years old.

That's my audience. I keep up on them. They're crazy. I like them, right? Remember being 18 to 25? They like you. Yeah. That's when I started Loveline.

There you go. See, so, you know, it's a crazy show. It really was. Well, it's all, back then it was. Now it's like, huh? But I learned through doing that when people thought I was being crazy for doing it, that you shouldn't question

18 to 25 year olds just trust them just listen to them You know, I mean their instincts are you they see stuff that we don't see well And I agree with you and what I noticed was I was actually really shocked because I always thought of CPAC being very pro-israel being very Very safe, you know politically I I wouldn't even call it moderate I'd call it like center left, center right, come together for like a centrist meeting. I know that everyone calls it Nazis meeting, trust me.

That's not what it is. And I saw that this was the first year I went where there was barely any young people, which was shocking to me. And when young people came up to me, they would all talk to me about how they respect Hitler and how they are really into fascism. And well, I was shocked too.

Listen, I was shocked. These are young people, 18, 19. And I would go, why? You know, that's what we're gonna, why, like why? You know? And they would come up to me like,

you know, aren't you into that too? No, but I was gonna say, so you've fallen into the trap too, just because I want order, doesn't mean that I'm trying to go me like, you know, aren't you into that too? No, but I was gonna say, so you fall into the trap too, just because I want order, doesn't mean that I'm trying to go back to, you know, the third Reich. But I realized that what's happened is that I talked to a lot of them, rather than judging them, rather than saying, oh, hey, you're just a bunch of Nazis

or this, because they were brown, by the way. This is what's scary to me. These are diverse people. These are black kids and Asian kids and Hispanic kids. And you're going, and I'm kind of, you know, crass to that, I'm like, how are you a brown Nazi? Like the real question. I don't think Hitler would be very proud of you.

You know, he would be very disappointed to find out that Nazis are diverse now. It reminds me of some of the UK authorities, local authorities who brought in, who are gay and brought in Muslim extremism, yeah. That's the same question. And I asked them, what I got from a lot of them is they feel pushed up against the wall,

they feel demonized, and how the Bolsheviks sort of created this victim identity politics, the us versus them, a lot of people feel like the them. And so even if you're like a Hispanic boy, but you're straight, right? You feel like you're in the them. So they're sort of like this, they're not really Nazis. Okay, so, but you're straight, right? You feel like you're into them. So then it's sort of like this, they're not really Nazis.

They just, yeah. So this is how history works, right? We're seeing history evolve. First, we saw a mass formation, which is part of it. By the way, I read a book recently about early, like 1930s in Germany, through the eyes of the American ambassador. And the word hysteria came up several times

in terms of the Nazi movement. And I thought oh Yeah, it was a mass formation And we have to be really careful these mass formations and there's it then there's it and so was the Russian Revolution kind of a mass Formation and then there's a reaction against it people go the other way. That's also a mass formation So you have to be really careful about these Disconnected they're they're not rational. Do you think it's, so what do you think that is?

Only because I was shocked, right? I'm always shocked when I'm like, yeah, some guy in prison with a swastika on his forehead, okay, some bald white guy, I get it. Maybe you grew up in the hood, there's gang wars, racial stuff happens. But it's like, hey, you're a young Chinese boy. Why are you identifying with the Third Reich?

And I did realize it is the fact that blaming all these people for the problems has really created the monster that they said that they were fighting. And so a lot of young kids are turning towards this factor, and also towards communism. We have to be careful, because that's dangerous. Going both ways. Well, I was gonna say, my speech at NYU got canceled, right?

So this is what I mean by extremism. I was gonna speak at NYU. It got canceled, right? So this is what I mean by extremism. I was gonna speak at NYU, it got canceled because I'm in the middle of a lawsuit with the school. They claimed, this is an illegal statement, there was a 400 people protest in front of my speech, and these people were threatening to kill me. Okay, they were threatening to kill me. They were writing me, they were gonna skin me alive,

very, very nasty stuff. And it was from what? The Democratic Socialist Alliance and Communist clubs of the school. So these are politically aligned far left people saying they're going to murder me. And I don't know if you've seen history, but communists typically make good on that threat. Maybe we're not there, but I don't like to take my chances. So I publicly wrote that I was looking for security in New York. I didn't say I was looking for security at their school to just looking for security.

License, I spoke to a licensed firm and the school then shuts the speech down and says, Elijah Schaeffer told students to illegally bring guns onto firearm to form a militia to try to protect him. So out of the safety for our students, we cannot have violence, we've reported them to the police. The police call me like, yeah, you never said anything like that.

You should definitely probably sue them. My point is that, you know- Oh my God. We have gotten into this position where it's been going on for a long time. People think woke is dead. I want to remind people that. It's like, oh, woke is dead. Trump's in office. No, I just got shut down and maligned illegally by a large institution.

Wow. You know, making claims, which is extremely disastrous to a career, to claim that I encourage felony behavior on a college campus. And so I just wanna remind people that, you know, this extremism really hasn't gone away. And we have to look at the young kids because you understand the mind. And it is scary.

A lot of us think, you know, well, we're all fighting it out and trying to figure it out. What are the young kids thinking? What are they doing? And I don't think anyone's really trying to tap into that. You're absolutely right. You have to, spot on to pay attention,

pay attention and to try to put your finger on it. Any theories about the Virginia, Jiffrey, is that what you pronounce her name? Goof-frey? Goof-frey. Jiffrey. Jiffrey. The Epstein, what should we call her?

Epstein victim. Yeah. And she dies suddenly. In Australia, does she die in Australia? Western Australia. Which is weird. Furthest away from civil if I wanted to hide from killers I would be in Western Australia. It's hard to get to even from Australia. Yeah, so it's like to people that don't understand the geography It's about from where we're at about a 24-hour trip to get to Eastern Australia Another six to eight hour trip to get to Western Australia

So you're talking about plus it's 17 hours ahead You're like a four-day journey to get there from the. So you're talking about, plus it's 17 hours ahead, you're talking about like a four day journey to get there from the United States. If I wanted to hide from people in America, that's where I would go. Has she been there for a while? Do we know? Or is she behaving as though she was hiding from something?

I just say coincidences I've learned in the media industry, they do not really exist as often as people like to think. They may often comfort ourselves to believe they do. But when like a Boeing whistleblower dies right before his hearing, suddenly, you know what I mean? It's a, you know, did he just get a booster yesterday? Maybe not. So.

It's a coincidence, yeah. I believe she was killed. And I will tell you this though, here's a caveat that I don't think anyone's, I've heard mentioned yet. Oh, I can't wait. Is it is possible that she did kill herself, but that she was pushed into it. Like it could be that the pressure

and what they were telling you, like maybe she got a call, you know, we're gonna kill your family, we're gonna do this to that, you know, we're looking at, but they sent her pictures, we're seeing your mother right now, we're gonna take a shot, you better find your body within 24 hours

or your family's dead. That does happen too. So sometimes with suicides, there is a pressure campaign that does drive people to insanity. Also don't forget, sometimes the trauma of this could naturally lead someone to kill themselves, but I don't know because, you know, another one just said she wasn't suicidal. You saw that one of the victims?

How did you come out and say that? Yeah. Very weird. What do you think? I'm, I don't feel like I have enough information because you're right there. I'm not tuned into this story the way you are obviously. And just what you just said, I would never, it would never have occurred to me.

Like first, when you describe this pressure campaign, first thing I think is who would do that? Like who and why? That's the part that- Lawyers of the trust perhaps. The trust? Perhaps, well, cause I'm sure his money is offshore. offshore. I'm sure Epstein stuff assets were not fully seized. I'm sure there's an entire campaign.

A lot of my understanding. This was, you know, is it intelligence operation from the evidence I've seen? You know, it seems to me, I heard different intelligence groups. Well, I think, so I don't know if you've heard this suggestion. So the connection with Epstein and Diddy, which again, this would be, I have heard that conjecture, yeah, but- Or that they may be similar operations. Well, what some people were saying,

I have friends in the intelligence community, a family intelligence community, so I don't wanna go say too much about them, but these are like, this is not someone I'd talk to in the pub. What did they tell you? Well, I've heard two different theories here. One of them told me that Diddy

was a Hollywood massage operation that the CIA got out of control and they needed to bust it and take it down. They knew what was going on, but there was some sort of an issue and it had to do with the current war that was going on. Basically Netanyahu had like gotten out of control and so they were like, look,

we're gonna kind of bust your balls a little bit. You can't have this kind of control on our land when you're not really listening to us and you're not really taking our orders. So that's what I've heard from them. There was a sort of disruption of a foreign intelligence campaign. But on the other hand, some people were saying,

yeah, but the CIA has been involved in it, that it has been the piece because a lot of these campaigns- You've done a Diddy there, or both. Yeah, Diddy, well, I'll go back to Diddy, that the CIA is involved because part of the reason the CIA will push some of these campaigns, right? I mean, even look at COVID,

how do you get all these celebrities on board with pushing vaccines and stuff? Some of them did get paid. So there is an arbitrary, you know, they're cheap slots as they call them on my show. You know, they hoard themselves out for money and that's some people. But other people are somewhat a little bit more educated,

maybe a little smarter. And they might be internally under control of somebody because, and I don't believe, by the way, that a lot of these perpetrators, who would be perpetrators now, who did take advantage of minors, I don't think they intentionally took advantage of, I think we all know that.

They didn't intentionally, most of them did. They were set up. This was a set up. Yeah. But it doesn't matter. I mean, if you fornicated with a minor, that's obviously called statutory rape, and that's obviously not going to be, that's not gonna be called fornication.

So I don't think, I think that's scary for somebody when you're not a bad person, maybe you're a little bit promiscuous, maybe you don't want your wife to find out or whatever like that, that's a different story. You can get divorced, and that's not gonna make your life good, but being seen as a predator,

that's, look what happened to, what's his name? What's the guy's name, the actor who went down the city, like went on top of a young boy when he was like 14 or whatever, what's his name? The guy from the West Wing, not the West Wing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, West World, right? No, what's his name? The guy from the President show, House of Cards.

Yes, House of Cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can see him as clear as day and I don't know why I can't remember his name. He's a great actor. Kevin Spacey, there you go. But yeah, but Kevin Spacey went down on allegations of predation and he's as big as it got.

Yeah, that's true. Can you stay about 10 more minutes? Oh yeah, I'm good. Okay, so we're gonna take, and you adequately paranoid now, Susan. Did Elijah trigger all your paranoid thoughts? There was a lot of information in that brain. But she wasn't listening.

Were my buzzwords too bad for YouTube? No, I was listening. I was also batting trolls over on Rumble. We have somebody who just keeps talking. Okay. I'm batting trolls. It's all good. But what we're gonna do is we're gonna bring

Rob Yoginda in here who's done that race. I want him to tell you his story about how difficult it was to get this paper published. And I think you'd like to hear this. So, Liza. It's only one troll. I don't know, do you have like crazy people that say shut the fuck up over and over and over

and over and over and over and over? I have probably like several hundred people in my chat permanently muted. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Yeah. They're over here now. I mean, I'm for free speech, but you don't get to co-op my company.

It's the troll spirit. Absolutely. So Dr. Yogendra can be found at covidlonghaulers.com, also on XDR Dr. Yostradamus. Y-O-stradamus. He's a anesthesiologist, public health background. He's been doing some careful research throughout COVID and he's gonna join us about his newest publication

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There he is. Ram Yogendra, anesthesiologist, researcher. Thank you so much for joining us. Tell, you're here with Elijah Schaefer, who also did, was it officially genetic engineering? Was that you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He published under genetic engineering. We were talking a little bit about the recent

Department of Justice action, Was that you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He published under Jenny Conjuring. We were talking a little bit about the recent department of justice, justice action, and what's starting against various high profile journals. First, let's start by you telling your tale of woe to get this thing published. Yeah, well, good seeing you again, Drew. Hi, Susan, and nice meeting you, Elijah. Yeah, this is about a four year ordeal. I'll call it an ordeal because it's

been taxing. And you've been there watching it, Drew. So I know you and I have been in contact over the last four years about this journey that we've gone with our vaccine paper. Started in 2021, our initial studies were in 2020, looking at post-COVID, many people call it long COVID or PASC. And then as we were studying that, we started to see patients, people getting, coming in with vaccine complications. Now initially, we were told that once you get the vaccine after seven days, maybe 14 days, you might have some symptoms and that'll go away.

But then we started having people say 30 days out, all these symptoms started after I got my first dose, neuropathy, brain fog, fatigue, so a lot of cardiovascular. Shortness of breath, yeah, exactly. Women having menstrual issues. They're getting this, you know, they ignored quote unquote gas lit.

You know, everyone knows this now, you know, I think it's really now openly talked about, but back in 2021, you said this, you were going to be ostracized reported to the medical board, possibly lose your privileges, credentials. That is, can you imagine that, Elijah? You couldn't speak up about a syndrome

you were seeing medically without risking your professional status. I believe it. Oh, it was crazy. So, okay, so now you keep shut up. We talked about it a lot. You actually presented some of it on this show with Dr. Patterson.

Yeah, yeah. So what we found with the vaccine paper was, and this is a very specific group of people we studied in 2021. So that's the important thing to keep in mind, because I know one of the criticisms, and there's going to be a lot of, we know we're going to be attacked once this paper comes. Yeah, and you can see that if you go on my Twitter page, I put the whole ordeal that we've had to go through since 2021. Basically what we did was we found patients

that didn't have COVID, I screened them with multiple different ways, screening methods. You know, one of the things that, you know, this criticism's gonna come our way is how do you know that they didn't have COVID before? Well, you know what, there's no gold standard. That is, anytime anyone in this space is gonna study about the vaccines, you know,? There's no gold standard that is anytime anyone in this space is going to study about the vaccines. You know, a couple of months ago, the group in Yale corroborated our findings.

They have not published their paper. They put it in a preprint. And the criticism they got was, well, how do you know that it's not coded? So when I was designing the study, I used many different screening methods. One was the T-detect, the negative PCR, a history in physical history on a patient. And obviously, you know, the history is very important when you have a patient say, look, I got, I have no medical problems. I went and got the vaccine and 24 hours later I'm in the emergency room or, you know, I can't get out of bed or having myocarditis and my chest is about to explode. You know, there is, there's definitely something there that needs to be, needs to be considered. What we did was you, you, you got, you got stonewalled at the public.

I want Elijah to hear the, the publication sort of stonewall you got and gaslighting. Yeah. So he, he, he's a scientist who's published as well. publication sort of stonewall you got and gaslighting. Tell him that part. He's a scientist who's published as well. And I was saying, this was an extra, you'll see how divergent from scientific norms this is. Yeah, so everyone knows if you find some data, they're also able to get it in the journals,

get it in a well-respected, high impact factor medical journal. So he said, okay, we're not gonna post stuff on Twitter or Reddit or wherever people are posting these days. Yeah, let's go go through the scientific process and the methodology. So in 2021, by the end of 2021, we had actually found an immune signature

in post-COVID vaccine syndrome. We also found the spike protein from the vaccine in the monocytes and the vascular monocytes of these patients. We knew it was the spike protein cause we sequenced them. So it wasn't just using flow cytometry, but we sequenced them. And all of this information was on our paper

and it's been in the preprint server since 2021. So none of this is new. When people say the Yale study was new, it's like, no, we knew this since 2021. So none of this is new. When people say the Yale study was new, it's like, no, we knew this in 2021. Internally in our group, we had doctors in our team who told me, Rob, we should not be studying this. We should not be looking at this.

In our own group. Do not put my name on this paper. And you know, we have an ethical and moral duty. I'm not making this up. This is not data or something I'm making up. It's just we find something we have to present it to not only the scientific community, but the public and then let the decision makers decide what they're going to do with that information.

And so that's when we delayed the paper, you know, even submitting it till about the middle of 2020 to the journal. We wanted to get the FDA, the NIH and the CDC engaged. Now in 2021, April of 2021, we were introduced by Congressman Mike Doyle of Pittsburgh to Francis Collins at the NIH. This is a public meeting. It's on April 29th of 2021, where he was first introduced to all of our research. We sent all of this to Dr. Collins.

Congressman Doyle specifically told Dr. Collins to any correspondence with us that he wanted to be CC'd on this. Well, crickets. We sent all our papers to Dr. Collins. We were on a call with them and he said, Oh, this is very interesting. We send our, all our data to, uh, the FDA, uh, to Dr. Woodcock, to, uh, Dr. Marks, all of our data, what we found. And we were not trying to cause controversy or we say, Hey, look, we found and we were not trying to cause controversy or we say, hey, look, we found something.

We're finding the spike protein in potentially these in these vaccines, weeks and months after the vaccination crickets didn't hear anything. I put my cell phone, I put my email, same with Dr. Patterson. We said, listen, we are happy to, for you guys to come and take a look and look at the data we see.

I have to interrupt you. I have to let Elijah go. Just describe to him, we're gonna go back to this point in the history after I let Elijah out of here, but describe, there was some point you described to me where they were asking you to rewrite parts of the article that were identical, just tell him that little piece. I couldn't quite get that story right.

Sure, so we submitted a piece to six different journals and going through the peer review process. And the first journal said, this is a low priority paper, low priority topic. And that's on my Twitter feed. I posted all of the receipts on there. So anyone that wants to take a look and go see it. One of the other journals said,

this is preliminary information. Finally, one journal said we will accept for peer review. They came back to me and they said, well, this is all copied from another paper. And I said, well, this is from our paper where we found the spike protein in the long COVID patients. It's the same materials and methods section. And the same journal that had published it, now when it came to the vaccine,

they had questions about the materials and methods section. They said, well, you know. Right, so they published under materials and methods to determine long COVID, but one of them, but had great issue with the materials and methods if it was going to look at lung vaccines. Science was okay when what you were looking for,

they were okay with you finding. But when your findings could jeopardize whatever they didn't want you to know, then suddenly they would question your methods, also your sanity, your credentials, and your ability to work. And Stonewall the process. And as I recall, you put them side by side, right? You put the both materials and

methods side by side for them. What does that say? Trust the experts. And what? And then they still sort of stonewall for a while? Yeah. You know what happens? Anyone that submit, when you submit a journal, it goes through this plagiarism check, right? So it'll say, oh, these 70% of your paper at 80% is plagiarized. Well, we got this thing back saying, well, this entire section is plagiarized. Well, that's because we, we applied the same exact materials and methods from the, from the long COVID paper. We're the same group that was published the paper. So it actually got four to five stars to the accused of plagiarizing their own study. Right.

So they, they reprinted, same journal, same journal reprinted their materials and methods, which are just factually a description of the materials and methods. And then that's called, that's called the repeating part of science where it's like, Oh yeah, can you duplicate this? Yeah, we duplicated it. Oh, well don't duplicate it for this reason. You stole it from somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Well us, we did it. We did it from me. That's the same car you had last time. Like, yeah, it's

cause I own it. Thank you. Sorry that happened to you doctor, but I believe it, man. It's the persecution of, of, of people who were actually trying to follow the method and find and discover the true information during a, you know, what a weird time in history. I, you know, you can't undo the reputational damage and also the time they took away, but we can always just try to work. Well, we can learn from it. We can learn from it.

We can, like I said, we can protect bodily freedoms. We can protect and teach the scientific method, which apparently has been undereducated of our physician population. And we can really protect free speech. Amen. And then require these publications to use proper editorial processes

and to be ethical in terms of how they print stuff. And that has yet to be worked out, but I'm gonna let you go. Doctor, thank you so much. Thank you for being here. Appreciate it. Where can they find the show? Just give them all the details.

Yeah, yeah, if you wanna find all of my shows being here. Appreciate it. Where can they find the show? Just give them all the details. Yeah, yeah, if you want to find all of my shows, you can find it at RiftTV.com, R-A-F-T-T-V.com. That's RiftTV.com. Check it out, all the shows and articles right there. Good. Thank you, Doctor. Thank you for the studio. Appreciate it.

God bless you for coming on. God bless you guys. And thank you for letting us use your amazing studio. Always. Thank you. We appreciate it. Yeah. All right, so Ron, let's go back to where you were.

You were bringing things forward from, let's see, I guess it was the point at which you were working with Francis Collins, who, I mean, look, I don't know Francis Collins, but his behavior has been uncanny, let's put it. That's the kindest thing I could say. Yeah, you know, I think obviously there's a lot of focus right now on Dr. Fauci and his role in COVID and the response to COVID and, you know, with all the stuff going on

in Wuhan and the gain of function research and all that going on. But I think the role of Dr. Collins here should also be scrutinized. And that's coming from a personal experience because you know our work was um ignored and i don't know the reason why maybe he was busy or maybe someone can ask him but you know this is this is not this is public information this was on a congressional hearing and i posted this on my twitter page where congressman Doyle is literally bringing us up in our research and and we had some correspondence with him and then afterwards we were ghosted, ghosted by the letter organizations by the FDA, the FDA, NIH and we didn't engage with the CDC but it was the NIH and the FDA because we said look we found this I had

Brian he's our lab tech he I said listen store the blood NIH and the FDA because we said, look, we, we found this. I had Brian, he's our lab tech. He, I said, listen, store the blood because if the FDA scientists or the NIH scientists want to, want to examine these patients' blood, we'll we'll coordinate that and get this over to them. And maybe they can, they can do further studies because, you know, quite frankly, even with our research and what we found, there's still a lot of unanswered questions in our findings. So if we had the help back in 2021, I think we might have helped

millions of people that have been suffering from this COVID vaccines. It's true. So now we're going coming forward from there, we're into 2022, what happens? Yeah, so we're trying to get the paper published. Now there are hit pieces coming against Bruce and I. We're getting doxed. Debt threats. You know, we got, I got a couple, I got email.

Yay, join the club. Yeah, debt threats. Bruce got a lot of debt threats on his business line at the lab. People are scared to go to work. You know, some of our credit our credibility is being mirrored all over the place because you know, quite frankly, we were we were looking at an uncomfortable topic and that's the the post-COVID vaccine syndrome or the vaccine injuries. So I'm trying to get the paper published.

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Well, I can't get it into peer review because they're not accepting it. And here's the other challenge behind this. They'll say, well, you need to get it in a highly respected, high impact factor journal. And now, you know, there's a lot of these predatory journals out there. Unfortunately, many researchers with really good research

have to resort to publishing their papers on there because they just don't have an opportunity or chance to even have go through the peer review process. And, you know, and then when they, when it does get published, there's a group of, you know, the scientists and researchers that are going to look at it and say, well, you publish it in, you know, Bob's international journal of, you know, immunology out of someone's garage. So it completely gets discredited any of the data and that is not not taking not taken seriously. So that was the challenge that we faced.

And what how did you finally get it published? Yeah, so we 2022 trying to get it through 2023, one of the journals said yes, but it took us about six months for it to go through peer review because they wrote back to me after six months says, we cannot find anyone to peer review the paper. No one will, we've sent it out to about, I wanna say they said between 20 and 30 of people,

experts and they said no one, they said it's highly unusual that we have this response. But they finally got it through. There were four reviewers. One rejected the paper without any comments. One refused to review the paper. And the other two, you know, I'm fully transparent with this information out there.

So someone wants to look at my Twitter timeline, I pinned this whole ordeal on that. What two other reviewers wrote to us, or the reviewer and gave four out of five stars, said that minor revisions needed and they endorsed it for publication. So Bruce and I are like, well, finally, we're gonna get this paper published,

and this is August of 2023. Well, finally, about two weeks later, a specialty editor gets involved and says we're rejecting the paper. And we don't know the reason why. Just said, paper is not a fit for the journal, and that was it. And at that point, I was seeing it was two and a half years

of just trying to get this to peer review. And I, to be honest with you, it was just so emotionally taxing. You know, we're self-funded, Bruce. We, I mean, Drew, Bruce and I are self-funded. You know, we don't get any pharma money or government money or anything. We spend our own money on this.

And it was just emotionally just draining. And, you know, to be honest with you- I see, just the way you tell the story, I could just tell the way you tell the story. You have PTSD from it. Oh, well, the PCC is still there. Yeah. And I'll tell you why. I'm saying I see it right now. I see it the way you tell the story. So, so you know what? And I didn't know if we were going to ever resubmit the paper again. It's about six journals we went through this. And you know, when the election happened on November 5th, something inside of me said, you know what, maybe things are going to change, not just in this country, but in the world. And maybe we can have some of these difficult conversations.

And exactly a week later, I submitted the paper to a reputable journal. And I said, all right, let's give it a shot. Let's see if the tide has changed. And this was November 12th now. I officially submitted the paper back to peer review. Two months later, the journal wrote back to me saying, we are still having a difficulty finding reviewers. In in fact, here's the here's the funny thing about this. They sent Bruce Pattison an invitation to peer review our own paper. That's desperate. You know, they just couldn't

find a reviewer. But but finally we did we went through the peer review process and about, I think it was April 15th, we got notification that the paper had been accepted for the journal. It was a very vigorous peer review process and it should be. Science is all about questioning. We're not sitting here with cheerleaders, cheerleaders with pom poms and saying, what a great job.

It should go through a grueling, rigorous process. The peer review process of about four weeks, I made sure with the rest of my team that the data was immaculate, pristine, all the T's were crossed. Yes, because we know, and even to this day, I talked to the rest of my team, we're so scared of this,

that someone is gonna sabotage this journal. Like Bruce is just on edge. Everyone journal like Bruce is just on edge. Everyone on that paper is just on edge even though we know we've gotten accepted. I just confirmed the proofs. I mean any day now we should we should have the link to the paper and it is actually to be honest with you a much better paper than the pre-print version. It's a significantly better which is a testament to the peer review process, which is why we need an opportunity go through the peer review process,

which was denied to us for almost four years. But thankfully, and I don't know if it was, the tide has changed because of the election and people are able to talk freely. I don't know, I'm merely speculating, but definitely something's changed. I mean, look, we hear about these social media companies being under the pressure from the administration.

Maybe they were applying pressure to medical journals too. Doesn't have to have been pharma per se doing it. Could have been the government doing it. Now, what do you think about the Department of Justice getting involved in looking into the collective action of these different journals? You know, I think it's a good thing. You know, I think for the longest time, as everyone in medicine knows, some of these high impact journals out there, these reputable, quote-unquote, reputable journals, there's a medical oligarchy that's out there that controls the flow and dissemination

of information. You're either in the cool crowd or you're outside it. And I think we need to break that up. That whole process needs to be dismantled. I'm not necessarily sure anything will come out of this DOJ inquiry because these journals, it's very easy for them to say, well, you know, that paper or that study wasn't up to the standard of the journal. So I think it might be tough, but what we can do is get more transparency moving forward in how these journals are reviewing articles and papers.

For example, it can't just come from some of the elite institutions, because there are some great researchers that's as you have, you know, you know, over the years and interviewing other researchers who are not in these big academic centers, they're private investigators. You should know that that is one of the priorities that Jay Bhattacharya said he was going to put in place at the NIH, which is that they're going to fund a variety of researchers and not just rubber stamp the Ivy League schools and places like that.

Absolutely. And like I said, it's a medical oligarchy, right? So we would get interviewed by mainstream media, which by by the way, I, you know, I get Washington Post and New York Times reporters trying to contact me about our research. And I just kind of give them the Elon respond G F Y, because, you know, what they'll do is they will they will go, they will go and they will they will interview Bruce and I get a little quote and then they'll go to the expert who will then try to discredit us and turns out the most of the experts and these people that work with that crap on us all had conflicts of interest whether they were paid by pharma which if you go to openpayments.gov you can

look and see who's been paid by pharma or they have some sort of competing interests between a lab or some research that they're trying to do. So, you know- Rob, I won't do print interviews. I will not do print interviews. They distort everything all the time. They're muckrakers. They are not interested in the truth. So, sorry, I'm not gonna work with people like that.

They're dishonest, they're disgusting, and they should be ashamed of themselves how they behave, what's that, Susan? I'm having like a psychic moment, like I'm thinking Fauci, I don't know why, but I'm thinking like how was, like he got pardoned, so how was he involved, like what was, like the whole thing was being covered up,

or they just couldn't find anybody that was willing to take the risk of doing something that was going to go against the status quo at the White House or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, that's just me. I don't know what you mean. Okay, so how was, like when you're doing all this stuff,

you have to get a certain, you have to get people that are willing to take a risk and do the peer review. But maybe once Biden was out and Fauci was pardoned, and that administration changed, maybe it just opened up. Well, that's the point. That's what we've been discussing, is that maybe the administration was applying the pressure,

not just to social media companies, but also to these medical journals in some way that we haven't yet identified. And the whole point about the Department of Justice investigation is to uncover things like that. And let's see if they come up with it. What's next for you guys? What's next on your research docket?

Yeah, so we've actually got, so we're doing a, the FDA has approved a clinical trial with long COVID, which is studying the spike proteins and the vascular monocytes from the COVID infection. We actually have congressional support. From COVID not, hang on, for long COVID, not long VACs or both? Well, we're gonna do both.

So right now what we're working on with Senator Todd Young is really been a big supporter of us and he's helping us with Congressman Pete Stauber in Minnesota and Congressman Jeff Crank in Colorado, who are just running up and down the halls of in DC, trying to help us right now, which is incredible. And I know a lot of people saw Senator Young with the RFK confirmation, and he's been really a big advocate for the long COVID community, which is a testament. Because one of the things I want to mention is that there's a whole division and an argument

about long COVID and long VACs, and it's sort of a right wing versus left wing. We've got a lot of support from the GOP side. And I keep telling people this, long COVID is not a right wing versus left. And we've got a lot of support from, from the GOP side. And I keep telling people this long COVID is not a left wing liberal disease. You know, this is, this is something, you're right. This is something actually GOP we've gotten more congressional, Republican senators and congressmen behind us than unfortunately our Democrat side and shouldn't be, shouldn't be political. Um, so we got an FDA approved clinical study

that we're trying to get funding to and hopefully we should have, we've got a couple of leads that Senator Young is working on. Now that this paper- This is for treatment? This is for treatment of long COVID? Is this an FDA-

Any of the things you guys have been doing? Yeah, it's a Moravirac, Is this an FDA? Any of the things you guys have been doing? Some of the combinations? Yeah, it's a Merau-Borac, Merau-Borac, Cotervastatin, phase three, FDA approved clinical trial that in 16 weeks if the trial is successful, we'll have the first approved medication for long COVID. And what I've done,

I've actually just finished writing the protocol now that our vaccine paper is published is a phase three clinical trial for post vaccine, post COVID vaccine syndrome, which we're submitting to the FDA in about a week. And then hopefully get funding to run different protocol. It's a different protocol. Yep. That's a different protocol. We're going different protocol. Yep, that's a different protocol. We're gonna submit to the FDA. Can you mention what it is? Yeah, again, it's the same thing,

it's a Marovra and a statin combination, but the patient population is gonna be different. We're gonna look at vaccine injured patients and then screen them one year not having a COVID infection. You know, here's the thing, Drew, that's difficult about studying the vaccine group right now because many of them got COVID afterwards. So it sort of muddies up, you know,

that the argument could be made as well. Is this because of COVID or is this because of the vaccine? So what we're gonna do is- You know what though? Why don't you compare it? Cause I think we should be perfectly comfortable saying, okay, the best we can do is vaccine and COVID. Vaccine and COVID is a meaningful population.

That's a huge number of people. Let's just call it that because it couldn't tease out the vaccine part. That's what we're doing. So what we're doing is we're saying, if you had a vaccine injury, a documented vaccine injury, regardless of the time period, and you haven't had a COVID infection in the past year,

you're enrolled in the study. You know, when the paper comes out, you'll see there are different immune markers with the vaccine group compared to the COVID group. But right now, if you're trying to study this, it's gonna be a mix, because people that had vaccine injuries got COVID and it's a big mishmash of things right now.

I remember he actually did the, when I had long COVID from Alpha and Delta, I had the big veg VEGF spike that you see with the long COVID. Yeah, so that's the next thing. I think the focus should be, there's a lot of, and I think rightfully so, discussions on the COVID thing. I think the focus should be, there's a lot of anything rightfully so discussions on the COVID, the vaccines and the mandates

and all of that that's going on. But I think a lot of discussion needs to be made, but we need to have more discussion with running clinical trials and get therapeutics. I've been reading some articles and speculation that we're looking at about maybe 15 to 20 vaccine injured patients in the United States,

along with another 20 million or more that have long COVID. So if you're, if you take those numbers, you're looking at about 40 million, 50 million Americans that have long COVID or vaccine injured, you know, we're looking at about 15, 20% of the American population. So, and instead of looking maybe back and trying to point fingers, I'm more focused on looking forward and saying, how can we help? Helping people. Helping.

Right. How do we help people? And there was some overlap you found with Lyme. Is that right? I remember Dr. Patterson was telling me something about that. Can you describe that to us? Yeah, you know what's really interesting? There is some of these long COVID patients and even the vaccine injured patients,

what we're doing is we're actually finding also Lyme in them too. So we're finding reactivated herpes infections. The Yale study found that some of these vaccine injured patients had low CD4 counts. There's some sort of immunosuppression taking place. And with our long COVID patients, we saw CD8 counts that are low.

Well, did you hear, have you seen Pat Sonchang's theory that it's a suppression of natural killer cells that's resulting in some of the spike in cancers? Yeah, I've seen that. You know, in fact, we have in our Vax paper, there is a potential signal there with some of the immune markers that might be,

that are sort of tumor checkpoints, that regulate the checkpoints in tumor in angiogenesis. So, I think there's a lot more to uncover with that spike protein and what was injected in people. And we just need to have those uncomfortable conversations. The other thing too, I just want to mention, Drew, that we can't study long COVID without acknowledging the vaccine in your patients.

You know, Congress has given $1.6 billion to the NIH, you know, and no one knows where this money has gone. There's Stat News and Washington Post have been writing articles about this. You know, the congress, the congressmen that we talked to are just frustrated. They said, well, where is this money gone? And if you look at the research that's going in long COVID, you know, and I hope Dr. Bhattacharya and Bobby Kennedy look into this as, hey, how are we spending this money on long COVID?

Because they're just going around in circles. Like no one is acknowledging the vaccine injured and you have to include them if you're going to study long COVID otherwise we're wasting US taxpayer dollars. And quite frankly, you're not seeing anything meaningful coming out of that $1.6 billion that have been allocated by Congress.

Well. I don't think they want to. They don't wanna be called out for being wrong. Yeah. Susan, you're 100% right. It's all very disturbing. Yeah, it's very disturbing to me. I think she's right too.

It's just, and in the meantime, we keep giving spike vaccines as opposed to shifting to nuclear capsid or whole virus or something, we continue to expose people to, and I understand that the very elderly, maybe it makes some sense, maybe the risk reward is there, but to have anybody mandated to take this for any reason. And we're forcing it on infants.

We're facing, we're asking mothers to inoculate their babies, ridiculous. And if there's something they know about the virus itself, from a standpoint of bioweapon or God knows what, that they're not telling the public, I suggest they come clean. But Rom, we gotta wrap this up. How would you like people to,

where would you like people to watch? Where would you like people to go to see your work? Give them some specifics. I post on X, Dr. Yostradamus on X. I post all my papers there. And the next couple of days, we should have the vaccine paper on there. And then we post updates on all the work

that we're doing with our research with long COVID and the vaccine studies. And hopefully, in the next couple of weeks, we'll get a green light from the FDA on our, on a vaccine clinical trial. So we try to get some help for these patients out there. There's so many different ideas about how to help them with the natokinase and the colchicine and the,

whether you should be using anticoagulants or very, there's a lot of ideas flying around. We need to get some studies going. Absolutely, clinical trials. We got all this money rather than funding, I don't know what they're funding this money for. One of the studies they were looking at was kimchi. One of the studies that was allocated

from the NIH recovered trial to study long COVID was kimchi. I remember looking at this going, are you kidding me? So, you know, some, we need some, some oversight and, you know, some deep dive into how this money has been spent. And just like you said, there's some really interesting stuff there, Colchicine, the anticoagulants and let's get some clinical trials and some data out there that could be make some, you know, we can make some meaningful impact in people's lives.

Rom, thank you for sticking with this. It has been a privilege to see you through it this far. I mean, it's been quite something to behold. I wish I could say I was surprised by the struggle you've been put through, but I'm just so grateful that you've persevered. Drew, you and Susan have been, I mean, so instrumental and supportive, especially times when I would text you and say, Drew, you know, F this, I can't do this.

And you just, you and Susan were awesome in, you know, helping me push through. So a lot of credit goes to you. You were on Dose of Dr. Drew. Well, you were on Dose of Dr. Drew. We had you on so many times when we, when you were fighting the good fight. Yeah, back in the middle of COVID, in the dark hours.

If anybody wants to just Google Ram Yogender and Dr. Drew. You came in with the CCR5 stuff. And then Dr. Patterson was on the show. We have to have him back too. We were trying to originally explain the cytokine storm. That's what we were sort of trying to struggle with. But it's all history now. Thank God we documented it.

It was educational, it continues to be. But we didn't know how bad it would continue to be. We would never have imagined that the government was working so hard against us. Can you imagine that? And that our peers and the journals we rely upon, our education and our ongoing training and continuing education, this would

all let us down. Yeah. It's just too much. It's really something. And Ron, remember when Drew was championing Fauci and he was like, just follow the guided star here. He's your North star. North star.

And we were like, yeah, okay. Now we're like, oh my God. He just got pardoned. I think a lot of us did. Yeah. But a lot of us did, okay. Now we're like, oh my God. You just got pardoned. I think a lot of us did. But a lot of us did, Drew. You know, we believe in our institutions and then now we're questioning everything, not only from COVID, but what we've been taught

in med school and the last several decades. Yes, sir. It's like finding out that Dr. Drew is in cahoots with the CCP. Like you wake up and it's in the chamber. I'm a lizard person. I'm actually one of the lizard people. So, all right, Rob, we'll talk again soon. No doubt. Get that paper to us as soon as, or tag me when you put it out on X and let's push it out there.

I will. Thanks Drew. Thanks Susan. Appreciate the support. God bless. Good to see you. Fantastic. Thank you. Yeah. Out of all the doctors we've ever interviewed he has been fighting the hardest He's been the most even he's been he's been fighting a lone ranger battle Intellectual and so pure of heart. What's that Caleb before today's show? I was trying to cut a clip from one of those old episodes

From whenever you were saying this stuff back in 2020 He was saying the same exact stuff that people are just now getting on board with now. Like he was warning about this stuff and I couldn't get the clip cut in time. But then I was in that same realm of wait, oh wait, there's Dr. J Bhattacharya, who's now running the NIH in the early days of the show, saying this stuff and no one was listening.

You should- What about Dr. Lizilenko? We had him on. I wish he was still alive. I'm going to place one of his episodes. We should patch together something for sort of TikTok or Instagram that sort of really shows those historical moments. Best ofs. We can't put it on TikTok.

They'll censor it. So that's kind of the plan. While you guys are out of town, that's my plan is I'm going to take some of these really breaking news episodes from 2020 and 2021. I'm going to run some best ofs on the channel so that people can watch and kind of go back in time and see how far we've come. It's so historical.

It's so funny too, because every one of those guests got us censored, including Kelly Victory. Like every time we put up a show, we'd get censored. Zelenko, censored. Yo, Ram, Yogendra, censored. I mean, it was ridiculous. And then we were like, oh, what are we doing Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo,

Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo, Yo there. Yep. Well, when it was Twitter, yeah. Yeah. For sure. I mean, we have- Facebook's always been terrible. YouTube has been terrible. Sorry, but you have been. And we'd like to be able to speak freely with my peers. We used to, remember when we used to start the show

on YouTube and then go, okay, everybody, we're gonna say the word Ivermectin. So we're gonna have to go, everybody go over to Rumble. Well, no, he would put that QR code up there. So we stopped playing our show on YouTube and we'd move everybody over to Rumble or Facebook or Twitter or whatever. So running from the law.

Let's getting upcoming guests here. If you don't mind up on the screen. Oh yeah, that's what he had. I'm having PTSD thinking about it. I know, I know, poor Ron, I could tell he had a pretty good dose of it. So upcoming guests, we have David Zweig, who was the journalist that pushed out the data

about school closures. We have Jenny McCarthy coming in, we have Gary Brekka and Sabine Hazan. Sabine is the Bifidobacter expert, Gary is a biohacking expert. Lauren Delano in her book, Unshrunk, it's a really good book. Tim Pool, I think you guys know who that is.

Anne Coulter, ever heard of her? All guests coming up, great job. Emily Barsh, we are going to be here tomorrow at three o'clock, Susan, is that correct? Or is it five o'clock? No, well, it depends on what coast you're on. Tomorrow is the day of the Pacific. Five o'clock Eastern.

Which is the Dana Loesch and David Dwig. We will get into that tomorrow and then we are out for a week. Oh yeah, we can't, oh, that's Thursday. I can't remember, sorry. And then we come back on the 15th with Jenny McCarthy and that's where we get back into the swing of things again. I just found out there's thunderstorms in New York.

So I got to call the airlines, Drew. For tomorrow, for Saturday? Go through Switzerland, yeah. We're flying out of the country and there's Thunderstorms and I got to change our flight Okay, so Caleb anything on your front though. I'll talk to you guys later. Okay. No, there's gonna be a lot of stuff coming up Even while you guys are out of town, I'm gonna put some best of episodes and also all the clips and the interviews from the White House there's still two or three more of those going up and Dr. J Bhattacharya's full one will be up I believe Friday or Saturday.

30 minutes. Great stuff with them. I think a redo of Dr. Yeo, Zelenko, Bhattacharya, like a little like best of clip would be so fun to watch. I don't know if you have all that information. Maybe, I don't know if you can take it off YouTube or whatever, it's even there anymore. All right, there's all our gratitudes up there

and of course people support. I'm giving you more work to do, Caleb, sorry. I beg your pardon. You done? Yes. People support the show, we appreciate you supporting them so we can continue to do this thing. Let me quickly look on the restream there. All right. I see you. Well,

never scan a code. When am I going to bring back a Z dog? That would be good. You're right. Casey, I think we had to try to bring him back. He means theelenko. No, he means Dr. ZDogg. Dr. Casey, what's his real name? It's, he was very good. Like Zubin, Jemani, or something. Zubin, Dr. Zubin, yeah, Zubi. No, that's different, Zubi's different. I think it was Zubin, Dr. ZDogg MD is how we know.

Oh yeah, oh yeah. He went on Rogan when, talked to him. All right, and we will see you all tomorrow. Remember that one guy we had, that guy that was on YouTube and he did the short pieces and he had, he was kind of nerdy and gosh, what was his name? You liked him at the very beginning. The physician?

Yeah, he was like, he's kind of this nerdy dude and he would- Oh, doctor, he was like, he's kind of this nerdy dude and he, he would. Oh, doctor. He was a virologist. Yeah. What happened to him? He's still out on, on TikTok somewhere. Do you remember his name?

A good memory. He just, he had like a Dr. N or something. Yeah. So, but he was good. He was very good. Okay. Thank you so much for being here today. We'll see you tomorrow at five o'clock Eastern, two o'clock Pacific. OK, talk. and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your personal doctor,

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