Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Fauci Admits Lab Leak NOT A Conspiracy Theory, 6ft Social Distancing NOT Based On Science w/ Dr. Paul Alexander – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 311

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

In January 2024, former NIH Director Dr. Anthony Fauci testified in front of the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic, making multiple explosive admissions about the lab leak hypothesis, social distancing, and vaccine mandates. Former HHS advisor Dr. Paul E. Alexander – who warned repeatedly against pandemic lockdowns and mandates – discusses LIVE. “He testified that the lab leak hypothesis — which was often suppressed — was, in fact, not a conspiracy theory,” wrote Ohio Rep. Brad Wenstrup, Chairman of the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic. “Further, the social distancing recommendations forced on Americans ‘sort of just appeared’ and were likely not based on scientific data.” 「 SPONSORED BY 」• CBDISTILLERY – Targeted CBD formulations made from the highest quality CLEAN ingredients. No fluff, no fillers – just pure, effective CBD solutions. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://CBDistillery.com Dr. Paul Alexander holds a PhD and has graduate level training in epidemiology and work experience in epidemiology, teaching of clinical epidemiology, evidence-based medicine, and research methodology. He is a former Assistant Professor at McMaster University (Hamilton, Canada) in evidence-based medicine and research methods; former COVID Pandemic evidence-synthesis consultant advisor to WHO Geneva-PAHO Washington, DC (2020) and former senior advisor to COVID Pandemic policy in Health and Human Services. Follow Dr. Alexander at https://DrPaulAlexander.com 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome, everyone. We are in prime form technically today. Thank you, Caleb and Susan. So today we are welcoming back Dr. Paul Alexander. It's a great day to have him back for a number of reasons. Just by coincidence, it turns out he was last here on January 11th, 2023. So it's exactly one year to the day that we have him in here. And it is on the heels of Dr. Fauci's interview in front of the House Subcommittee on Coronavirus, in which he talked about the fact that the six-foot social distancing was not scientific. It's just something that appeared shocking that he continues to sort of skate with that admission. And what was the other one?

There was some other thing that I'm not sure he actually even said it, but we'll get to that and other things with Dr. Alexander, who is, of course, an epidemiologist. He was a research methodology teacher, assistant professor at McMaster University. He is an evidence-based medicines and research, a researcher. We'll get to all his details,

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The other thing I was trying to think of that Fauci had said was that the lab leak theory is not a conspiracy theory. Shocking, shocking that he would say that. And finally, his quote actually was, social distancing recommendations forced on Americans, quote, sort of just appeared and were not science, but not based, likely not based on scientific data. Likely, likely.

I would just ask him to direct me towards one document, one document that substantiated six feet for an aerosolized virus. It's looking, you know, so many of these excesses that happened during COVID are looking worse and worse as time goes on. We know it's an aerosol, so we know that wearing a mask with a slight jet here that steams up your glasses is going to increase the aerosol and spread it further distances. You're not only not protecting somebody else, you are increasing the number of people you're going to expose. And that the surgical masks, because it's an aerosol, of course, spit fluid,

inconsequential in the transmission of this particular respiratory virus. So Dr. Paul Alexander is an epidemiologist. He's a researcher. He has a PhD, I believe in, you'll have to tell me whether it's epidemiology or not. Please welcome Dr. Paul Alexander. What is your PhD in exactly? I don't have the information right here, Paul. Hi, Drew. Thanks for having me on your team once again. Tremendous show as always.

My graduate training outside of so I did a graduate school master's at University of Toronto in epidemiology. I went on to Oxford and did a graduate degree in evidence-based medicine and clinical epidemiology. I did some work at Johns Hopkins, a short certificate in biological warfare and epidemiology of it. But my doctorate is in evidence-based medicine from McMaster University in Canada. And for those who don't know, people who go on to get into research methods programs at Stanford, Yale, Harvard, are people who could not get into the McMaster program. The McMaster program is the seat of evidence-based medicine globally.

My doctoral supervisor was a founder of evidence-based, anything to do with evidence-based medicine globally. My doctoral supervisor was a founder of evidence-based, anything to do with evidence-based research, Dr. Gordon Guyatt and Dr. Dave Sackett. So I did my postdoc with him also. And anything to do with research, research methods, randomized trials, observational studies, anything to do with research generally comes out of McMaster and we constantly refine the process and refine the methods so that's my background training but you know I'm very very humble that you've had me here again and persons like Dr. McCullough, Dr. Rich, Dr. Marcus, myself, we provide technical scientific support to a wellness company, TWC.Health. Go to TWC.Health,

take a look at the website and what they offer. It's gone breaking a revolutionary way of medicine with some good nutraceuticals, et cetera. So I just wanted to put that on because I'm very happy to be working with them. Me too. Me too. I'm working with them too. And my position on it is not just what you're describing, but also that we're putting control access in the hands of patients. It's time we let patients be driving the ship. But I want you at some point here to tell the story about what

happened over at HHS. But before we do, I think the evidence-based medicine topic is a perfect place to start here. I want to start with that because I don't know if your research advisors are still there at McMaster's, but if they are, they must be dying. What happened to evidence-based medicine? How do they – it's just they must be mind-boggled as much as I am, gobsmacked as much as you and I are. How do they understand what has happened to our profession? Well, you ask a very good question, and I'm a purist scientist in the sense that, again, I come from that school and that program. So I have to represent it in a way. Dr. Risha and myself are actually almost the same in this regard.

Well, the problem is evidence-based medicine died during COVID. It committed suicide, basically, because no one was really practicing evidence-based medicine and evidence-based research. And for your listener, evidence-based research and medicine basically is trying to come up with decision-making that is informed

by the most highest quality, trustworthy evidence. And it's the body of evidence that we're talking about. We're not necessarily talking about one study. We are saying that if you give me an estimate of effect for a drug in terms of its benefit or its harms, we want you to look at all of the evidence, the randomized trials, the observational research strong research weak research and give us the best so we could have as much confidence

in the estimated effect evidence-based medicine is reproducible the doctrine is it has to be explicit open transparent and that's the difference because what I'm trying to say is from about 40 years ago, the idea was clinicians, et cetera, and surgeons were making decisions based on what their colleagues did, what they heard worked. And the idea was that

they were not consulting the literature and the data, et cetera, to make decisions. Now, I think in one way, Drew, evidence-based medicine went too far and removed too much of the decision-making from the clinician and have these clinicians reading books, running into the library to consult. No, you have to give the clinician and the surgeon the clinical discretion in the decision-making too. So maybe the pendulum will come back a little bit, but I agree with you. Evidence-based medicine died because all of the research in COVID is basically junk. I have to say, research methodologically wise, it cannot

stand up to scientific muster really what JAMA Lancet BMG Whatever they are publishing 25 years ago if you sent it to me to review even you as a review of an article I would I would recommend do not publish We getting stuff today that cannot normally stand up to scientific scrutiny and it's being published. So it's a terrible situation for the population because – And there's another twist on it that's even more disturbing to me, which is that science is a dialogue.

It's a back and forth. It's never just all one direction. Results don't go one way and that's that. There's a consensus that builds. We are seeing what does get published. Also, what doesn't get published might be something worthy of scientific scrutiny and it doesn't get published. So it's being hit on both ends. Things not worthy are being published and things that potentially are worthy because the topic isn't any good for the reviewers or the editorial process aren't being published it's really breathtaking let

me ask this i'm i'm sort of a purist scientist and i was trained in a very um purist view of the scientific method and in my world i've heard this has been modified a little bit lately, but you came up with a hypothesis, you designed an experiment to test that hypothesis, and you tried to ask simple, narrow questions that you could control. And then based on that narrow question, is this true or not?

Test it. And then essentially what I was reared on was do a null hypothesis that i don't see that ever being done what happened to the basic scientific method what i mean and once again um i agree with you and i'm happy that your acumen is as a purist too. So you understand how much it, well, that bothers us because we understand the dirt and the lack, the suboptimal work that's coming out of academic research now. The reality is that we know the power of things like large, pragmatic, randomized control trials, simple, et cetera, in being able to tease out cause and effect. I agree with you fully that we don't have the proper comparative effectiveness research today to help us make informed decisions. And this research we have is very weak. And I think what has happened too

is that many people mounted research in COVID and really didn't know what they were doing. And they were submitting stuff to the journals. They were violating their protocols. They didn't even register protocols. So we couldn't even see what they were doing

and what they were not doing. And like you mentioned earlier, this issue of they're not publishing good stuff, which is going against their narrative. You know from your own expertise that we're talking about the negative effect studies and publication bias. And we could actually see that in the research where we plot our graphs to show that what is being published is only the research that has outcomes or estimates of effect that support what the researcher wants to see, positive effects. They will not publish the ones that are negative, which actually are very important. And it's like the clinical trials done by Moderna and Pfizer. They stopped the studies early for benefit. They said, Fauci and they said, well, it looks like we have a signal of benefit here,

so we're going to stop the trial. But you and I understand, Drew, and many people in your audience, because I really don't know who the audience is, but I assume some of them have done this too, that if you stop a study early for benefit, what you're actually doing is you are risking an overestimated estimative effect. That's a risk of bias. We flag that. Why? Because had you run that study to sample size, that benefit that you would have seen so early on accrue would have petered out and you may not have seen the benefit downstream. So the research that was produced and published by Pfizer and Moderna and accepted wrongfully by the FDA to grant EAU is actually not just suboptimal, but it's wrong science. It cannot stand up to proper scientific scrutiny. risk of bias studies, none of the estimates of effect are proper. They actually to me fraudulent and they use the relative risk reduction as the estimate of effect. When you know, Drew, that the estimate that we wanted, the outcome measure is actually absolute risk reduction. And when Pfizer says there's a 95% relative risk reduction, whoop-de-doo, based on 170 events, the absolute risk reduction is just 0.7.

You would have never taken that shot if a doctor would have sat you down and said, listen, the absolute benefit is just 0.7%. And there's a downside because the shot carries risk. The shot carries potential toxicity. There's a cost to the shot. There's uncomfortableness. There might be fever. You may react to anaphylaxis, et cetera. And when you weigh the benefits versus the harms, you'd say, but wait, this benefit is so modest compared to actual harms that I could experience that I don't want.

I would avoid the shot. People were never told the truth. Every single thing. Look, had we done nothing, Drew, had this thing come around, this is my opinion based on four years now. Had this thing come around in December, January of 2020, and we'd done nothing, it is my view that we may not even have noticed this. It is my view, my view, that had we done nothing, we'd have lost far fewer people. It was the response, the medical management is what killed most

of the people. This virus did take some people through high-risk elderly. We know that. You are an expert. I know that. You're a clinician, an expert. But when you look at the denial of treatment, lockdowns, the collateral damage from the lockdowns, that's Jay Bhattacharya's expertise. You look at the vaccine itself, the collateral damage from the lockdowns, that's Jay Bhattacharya's expertise. You look at the vaccine itself, the harms from the vaccine, and you look at the medical management with the isolation, the sedation with propofol and midazolam, the ventilator, the denial of antibiotics. When you look at those deaths, you realize we actually may have killed more people by the medical response. And that's a very controversial statement to make, but that's the statement I'm making.

I'm willing to defend it. Had we done nothing, we'd have been better off. Well, certainly, certainly, you know, the place we ended up really doing nothing was in the care of the patients, right? Because there was lockdown, because there was panic, because the hospitals were closed. Where we really did nothing is the one place we should have been doing something, which was observing our patients, monitoring our patients, trying different things on the patients. The steroid inhalers would have worked. Steroids themselves would have hurt.

We could argue about early treatment and whatnot, but there were things to be done. Patients were sent home and told to come back when they were blue. That was the first chapter of this whole catastrophe that just blew my mind. By the way, I wrote down a couple of the things that Jay Bhattacharya said to me.

He said, they looked at every single person alive as a biohazard. And he said, society can't run that way. He's absolutely right about that. And now I just went to an event last night talking about the mental health consequences on teenagers and young adults. It's profound.

It's profound what we've done. The numbers of deaths that are gonna happen as a result of despair and drugs, it's just profound. None of that would have happened if we had done nothing. Plus, you mentioned the slight improvement with the vaccine. We didn't know the potential side effects. Now we know we can go to a 22-year-old male and go, you know, there's a 1 in 5,000, let's say 1 in 50,000 chance of myocarditis. And half of those are going to be, well, in one year, we know it persists. And those people, some of those may end up with really serious cardiac problems, as opposed to zero risk from certainly in the Omicron age.

Why are we still pushing these things? On young people particularly. Yeah, and this is why you have your show and it's so popular and this is why even the wellness company is have particular products to address despite protein post-virus and vaccine vaccine is a problem look i think historically we will we will learn things that we think we understand today that we will get to know was wrong-sided and we will be corrected long-term. Yeah, we were wrong. For sure.

We totally, I figured that out. No, no, no, no, no. I cannot understand how a product that is so problematic in the sense of it's causing harms they're reported deaths wiki input i put on a sub stack about this this japanese study with this teenage girl who died that they're linking it directly to the shot that's not the only study we have many many instances so we have a problem yet the powers that be don't want to talk about it and when we talk about, we get attacked and smeared and slandered. So it has to be that people are being incentivized, Jay, in some way. And incentivization is not just money, cash money. You could get incentivization by being able to keep your job, keep your research position, keep your research grant.

And that is wrong. Because what we need is honest, scientific debate on what the facts are. Bring the facts to the table. And even if you don't like the outcome, you're going to have to agree with it because this is proper, proper science. We are not dealing with proper science here. Zero. I mean, between Redfield, between Walensky as heads of the CDC, both of them. I knew Dr. Redfield personally.

In fact, he told me personally about his six-foot social rule. When I wrote that a few years ago, people said, are you sure he told you? Yeah, he told me that. I liked him. To me, I know him personally. He's a good, God-fearing man. But he was flat wrong on a lot of the science coming out of CDC

and the decisions that they made while he was there. Walensky was worse. And the present CDC director, even worse. So we have a problem. We seem to have patronage. I'll say it. He was a patronage probably appointment under Trump, like Walensky and the under Biden.

They're not putting the right people in place who bring the pedigree. But we don't want a political animal. We want somebody who know what the hell they're saying and what they're doing. And they could lead those thousands of employees to actually give us good science and good research, not politicize the agency. You know, so I am one of them saying straight up, whoever the next president, you know I'm a Trump supporter. I'm on the Trump train.

But I have said, Drew, show me a Democrat. Show me a liberal. Show me a rhino even. You show me somebody. Show me somebody who's an independent. And they love the country. They love the borders. They respect the flag. They respect the anthem. They know about, understand law and independent. And they love the country. They love the borders. They respect the flag.

They respect the anthem. They know about, understand law and order. They understand all those things. They like the police. They don't want to burn the police down. They respect the military and the service, the history of America,

the greatest country in the world, Van Lund. When you show me that person, Democrat even, I'll vote for them. I don't have to vote for President Trump. Right now I'm in his orbit. But I will not support him if you show me somebody who could check. Because Trump checks those boxes.

You show me somebody who could check them plus one. I'll strongly consider them. But right now on the deck, I need somebody like a Trump to go into D.C. and burn that place down. You need to raise CDC, FDA, NIH, NIAID, raise it to the floor. Take it down to the studs.

Fire everybody, 1,000 top down across the board in all of those agencies because they're inept. They're incompetent. they're politicized. I know because I work there, I know these people. I can't believe the quality of the people at CDC. They have some really good people, strong people too, scientists,

but the vast majority of them are just overpaid and underworked, and they get there not by ability. I'm sorry i've been same in canada i work for the government of canada i'm an epidemiologist for health canada and the public health agency of canada some of the most inept people work there and they make decisions that affect lives like the decisions they made on lockdowns, we found, Drew, I'm echoing Jay, but I'm going a little deeper than Jay. We looked at all of the lockdowns. I published a paper with McCullough, Rish, Dr. Raminoski, Dr. Howard Tenenbaum. We looked at every single study in this entire world, across every country, every study, every report, we

could find not one. Not one study has been published up to four years now to show that any lockdown worked to curb transmission or death. None. Not one. Same with school closures.

That's an incredible statement for me to make, but I challenge anyone to produce one for me. Because I know what the data is. I published it, 400 studies in Brownstone. Go and find it and read it. You bring one and show me. But look, you can't. So that's a...

In other words, we lock society down based on what? We no no we never did it before and we had no evidence that it would work same with the social distancing redfield told me at hhs i asked him i said dr redfield blunt dr redfield show me the studies again you use the word purist. I'm a purist. And I went there to help with my research ability. He laughed with me. Not at me, but he chuckled. He said, Paul, there's no science. We made it up. I said, Dr. Redfield, you made it up?

He said, yes. Some of the countries we're in consultation with, because that happened before I arrived, two months before. So it was already on deck. They wanted one foot. Some said three feet. Some said 12 feet. Some said 22 feet.

We found six feet sounded good. Now, people thought when I wrote that in a sub-staff, in my blog, that, well, he's pulling that out of his behind. Why would Redfield, here Redfield told me, Scott Gottlieb, the former FDA commissioner, pulling that out of his behind. Why would Redfield, here Redfield told me, Scott Gottlieb, the former FDA commissioner, went on the news shortly after me and said the same

because he was there too. He said it was made up. Now Fauci has come and said it was made up. So I was speaking what I knew. I actually spoke to Redfield. That was COVID. Everything that they did, they were making it up as they were going along. The only problem is their policies had serious real-world implications,

and their policies harmed people. Many people died because of their policies. I'm telling you, we had husbands and wives. The data was coming to my office, so we knew. Me and Dr. Atlas, it was coming to us. Husbands and wives were turning up to the ER, standing there across America. Wife telling ER doctor, doctor, I have been locked down for 10 months, 12 months. I've had no work, no income. I'm angry, I'm bitter, I have been locked down for 10 months, 12 months. I've had no work, no income.

I'm angry. I'm bitter. I'm miserable. And I have to admit, I've been physically violent against my husband, standing right here. Husband would tell the doctor, doctor, I too have been beating my wife every day. I have not worked for a year. We're losing the house. We can't pay the mortgage. It's a disaster.

Our life is over. But they're standing there, both of them with their arms open and a child is laying in their arms, unresponsive. And they're telling the doctor, today, doctor, we're here because we think we crossed the line today. We think we might have killed the

child. Please help us. And the child is there unresponsive with broken bones. They beat the child to a frazzle. And that happened across America multiple times. I know because they were reporting what was coming to our office. We were rolling it up to the White House. So when Trump was on

the stump, begging the CDC and arguing for the states to open the economy and the schools. It was because he was getting the reports from us. We had, we harmed, and I'm actually trying to support what you just said,

Drew. We harmed our populations. We harmed children. Some models suggest it will take the rest of the 21st century, 80 more years To put them back to where they were in January of 2020 We harmed them

Sexual abuse, physical abuse When we locked schools down We didn't understand that most American children Get their only meal in school Most When we closed schools, many American children get their only meal in school, most. When we closed schools, many American children starved for months. When we closed schools, many American children were sexually abused in their own homes. And school is a place where it's flagged for the first time.

We put children at risk. Many children were physically beaten by their families, by their family's friends. Most children have sexual abuse. The parents knew the person. That's another important statistic. And children suffered. We suffered our children.

And it is bearing on. I would argue you're pointing out the most extreme, obviously, cases. But as you go down the scale of severity of the consequences, they are still profound in terms of the impact on development, mental health, cognitive development, school. I will tell the story now. I always tell it when I have this conversation. I suppose I'll take this one to my grave. When the Ukrainian women were running out of Ukraine at the beginning of the invasion from Russia, they were running into Poland with their children and there were reporters there with microphones. And to a person, each woman said, oh yeah, it's terrible. We're leaving

our sons, our fathers, our husbands back to fight this war. And then the next thing out of their mouth was, but these kids have been out of school for two weeks. We have to get them back in school immediately. It's been two weeks. That's a sane mother. Two weeks out of school is for real. It is substantial. In this state, California, where I am right now,

we did it for two years. And what we expect that to suddenly magically vaporize in terms of its effect? It's too much. Dr. Alexander, I'm going to take a little break here. When we come back, amongst other things, I want to talk about Dr. Birx because she was the one that evangelized about closure. And I've got a little pet theory that when a physician evangelizes on any topic, when they become a, you know, when they become, you know, I don't know what other word to use,

but evangelical, not religiously evangelical, they become evangelical on a topic. That's how we got the opioid crisis, for instance. That's how opiates were evangelized by the pain medicine world, where pain became the fifth vital sign and pain assessment was more important than the pulse and all this craziness. That was because of evangelical physicians. Birx on her own and in her book, not only evangelized, but felt like a hero in having done so. I'd love to get your assessment now that we have Dr. Fauci slowly turning towards reality where he is saying, again, the six feet social distancing

was non-scientific, made up, no evidence that it did anything. And yet we got the world to cooperate with that. It's just sensational. And two, that the lab leak, where the specifics on the origin of the virus came from, I don't know really.

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and World Health Organization Conspired to Overthrow President Trump. There is the book, and here is Dr. Paul Alexander, who has been on fire in his substack lately. You can follow him on Twitter. Put it up there, Caleb, if you would, his substack on the Twitter.

Make sure I get this right. DrPaulAlexander.com where you can find it. I don't have his Twitter account, but you can find it at DrPaulAlexander.com. Got it. And the substack, Paul? The substack, the address is very simple.

You just need to Google Alexander COVID News. Just Alexander space COVID space news, and it will pop up. And it's free. I've made it free. You know, you don't have to pay to join. There's no moratoriums, no firewalls. Anyone could comment, and you could get into the discussion. Excellent.

Now, before the break, I mentioned Dr. Birx and her evangelizing for lockdowns and her sense of heroicism in her own book on having done so. What is your assessment these days? Well, I agree with you. And Dr. Birx and me, Dr. Birx had serious problems with Dr. Atlas, myself. He was in the Eisenhower building. I was at the

Health and Human Services, because we were raising serious hell with her and Fauci as to the lockdowns, school closures, etc. And I think she wrote in her book that she didn't really care for me. And the thing about it is, what I don't understand, Drew, is these people made a lot of mistakes. And they're not being held accountable. The type of hearings and the discussions needed are not happening. So I hope it will come. A lot of these people, the reality is you can't hate people. You can't.

You have to love each other and be gracious, mercy. People make mistakes everyone is uh-oh just uh froze on dr alexander caleb are you still there with me or is that just on this end no yeah i'm still here that was just his his call okay dropped he'll be he's coming back okay okay excellent yeah uh i it's again he was. He was the one fighting the fight. I remember I was on a nightly news broadcast. I've discussed this before here in Los Angeles, and a school board member came in the night they closed the schools. And I was sort of shocked that they were doing this because it seemed excessive and bizarre for this particular pathogen.

And the school board member came in and I said, who told you to do this? Did you consult with a team of infectious disease experts? Was there public health? Who told you? And thank God there's still footage of it. And if you look on the Adam and Dr. Drew show, we played it there a couple of times.

And the guy looked at me and went, we just think it's the right thing to do. You could close, what? Just because you think it's the right thing to do. You could close, what? Just because you think it's the right, what does that even mean? Who are you to make these decisions? It just was just the most uncanny experience. And thank God I was asking those questions

and they had no answers to them, but it was still so odd to be around during those days. And always beware of physicians that have evangelical points of view. It's why I really try to be careful and humble with my positions. In fact, I got a little over my skis. When I look back at my own errors,

I feel like that's where I got into trouble, which was being excessively sort of hubristic and pushing back on the chaos and panic that was being induced. At the time, I thought it was the press that was doing it. I really did. I thought they were the ones just doing it to try to do what they always do. I mean, look around now. I mean, every time it snows, it's a climate change.

Every time there's a white lung syndrome in China, that was nothing. Hey, by the way, it's respiratory virus season. We're going to have respiratory viruses increase including COVID. It is going to happen. And it's going to happen every respiratory season. Are we going to be panicking about that every year

for the rest of human life? It's just too bizarre. It's just wildly, I don't know. I don't know what to think about. But Caleb, how are we doing there with Dr. Alexander? We're trying to reconnect him. He's coming back into the Zoom call. I don't, it's been so bizarre, Drew.

Like as you guys probably noticed yesterday, we had tons of technical issues. Today I had even technicians come out and change all the hardware only for us to find out that it was because of the tornadoes that went through Florida, knocked out a whole fiber array, they called it. So everybody using fiber on the East Coast

has been having some issues like this. So he's coming back, I see he's on his way. And then now, good. And now he's having still this up, but we've been doing pretty good, I think. And so we are dependent on somebody's systems and that's fine, that's how this works. And so you froze there in the middle of what you were saying i wanted you can continue your

thoughts sir thank you thank you oh now we know there we are yes yeah so thank you very much um yeah somehow we lost there but um yeah you were talking about Dr. Birx. The reality about it is that I was trying to express that a lot of mistakes were made by a lot of people. And we need to find a way to get to the bottom of the mistakes and have a serious debate so that these kinds of things don't happen. I tend to believe that I don't believe that people were just purely inept because from very early on, including people like Bhattacharya and Kulof, myself, Atlas, McCullough and stuff, we were shouting out about the harms of like the lockdowns and stuff.

And it seems as though these people like the Berks and Day of the World, they just hardened the lockdowns and extended them when the evidence had accumulated quickly. Two, three weeks out of the gate, they just hardened the lockdowns and extended them. When the evidence had accumulated quickly, two, three weeks out of the gate, by the middle of April, the lockdowns were harmful and harming the society. So we need to be able to ask them these questions as to what were they looking at, what data, what evidence to keep the lockdowns going, especially harms on children by closing schools. And I think Dr. Birx was a very charismatic individual.

Her fights with Dr. Atlas were legendary in the White House, et cetera, in meetings, because he's a very evidence-based guy. He would walk into meetings with stacks of research studies and papers. Birx and Fau, and they would have nothing. They would sit down on the desk at the table with nothing. And Atlas would ask them, we'd ask them serious questions. And they would not be able to answer the questions from a data and evidence point of view. Yet they were producing these graphs that they would put up every day, spooking President Trump and with all these infections and cases, yet they won't tell him, President Trump, Dr. Berkson, they won't tell

him, President Trump, that they were overcycling the PCR process. So we knew that many of those positive cases that you were taking people out of school and society were potentially false positive infectious pathogens. So there's so many crazy, nonsensical, specious actions taken that when we look back at it, I have to say, Drew, that I don't know how people like you, your crew, me, that we got here. Because at one point you thought, well, the world was just going to be destroyed because they were just doing things that were just harming people. And now we realize that everything that was done with COVID basically was wrong. I ask anyone right now, give me an example of a policy,

just one, that was done, that was implemented and imposed on us, that worked. I don't think anybody could find a policy that worked. We lost in every single thing that they did, but yet, yet $4 to $5 trillion moved

from the lower and the lower middle class population towards the wealthy people. Wealthy people who were in big business made a lot of money and became richer. We shifted the burden of morbidity and mortality, though, to the poor. Because the middle class and upper middle class, these people and the rich people could have afforded to shield Dr. Burke's lockdowns. She was locking down, yet the poor people, marginalized people, women,

women who had front-facing jobs, had to go to the grocery, had to go to the assembly floor, had to go out there, had to drive buses, men. Those poor people had to face whatever this was. And when we look at the data, the infections

were highest in them and the mortality. So there's a lot, a lot of questions as to why certain things were done and what went wrong. I don't find that Fauci and Birx in there. Like they had this, these hearings.

Let me tell you something so your listeners could understand. In these hearings that are taking place now when Fauci came up, the ones before, et cetera, and even now, people like myself, and I have full disclosure,

people reach out to me from the Congress and the Senate and say, you know, Dr. Alexander, can you put together some questions for us? We are the congressional, we are the house members, we are the senators, whatever. Questions for us to ask. And I reach out to a lot of scientists and doctors that I work with. And I say, you guys give me questions too. Let's put together a big trove. And I sent it to them. And then they started to select. They would select questions that they want.

And they would put in questions that are so nonsensical, it's just junk. And then I would start communicating and say, but wait, hold on. This is supposed to be a hearing and we want accountability and stuff, right? What shocked me, Drew, is that, and I can't name names here, but I have the emails. Some of the aides would write me back to the different Congress people and say, Paul, I don't think you're really understanding. We're bringing these people up here to the Hill under questioning and hearings, but we're not looking to punish anybody, et cetera. We're just trying to embarrass them. Well, I nearly fell out of my chair. So I wrote them back and

said, what do you mean embarrass them? Do you mean like this is a dog and pony show? Yes, it is a dog and pony show. And this is the point. When the Democrats have the chairmanships, they do the same. The Republicans have the chairmanships, they do the same. There is no accountability that's

going to come out of these hearings as they exist today none and that's i'm not surprised i i i'm not surprised although there's a part of me i've said this before that i i don't want us to go on a punishment seeking affair in the sense that my priority is getting to the truth so we can adjust and put things in place to make sure this doesn't happen again uh and i don't and i worry that if you seek to punish people all the people that want to have a nuremberg 2.0 and all this stuff people are going to go on the defensive and you're not going to find anything out. We're not going to figure out a damn thing

about what happened because people are going to shut up and follow what the attorneys tell them to do. In this case, at least we have the possibility of finding out where the mistakes were. Just the fact that Fauci said what he said yesterday, that suddenly you and I have been talking

about the six feet thing for two years. And every time I bring it up, I could get 500 hits on Twitter calling me an idiot. How dare I? Well, where are those people now? The theme for the day is everybody needs to take a good, hard look at themselves. Everybody. Where were you wrong? Where were you right? Where you jumped on to propaganda that was brought by another country many times? And where you were a horrible human being to somebody else who was

merely offering an opinion. That is where everybody needs to be. And that should be the focus of even these sorts of hearings. What do you get off telling a guy going after Dr. Fauci in an email, a guy like Jay Bhattacharya, a guy that you funded his research?

What were you thinking? What's going on in your mind that you would behave like that? To me, that's, of course, they would get embarrassed by all that too, which would satisfy their goals and all this. But I worry about going for blood. I really worry about that.

What do you say to that? Well, I mean, look, there's a lot of siege in what you just said, because we are a good governance society, and we are civilized people today in the 21st century. We are supposed to have even the most difficult discussions civilly to find a way to have the discourse. But also, we need some kind

of accountability. Let me put it to you this way. When Susie went to her doctor and asked her doctor in Canada as an example, because I know many Susies, this happened to them because I was asked to play a role. Even in America, I told the doctor, I cannot take this vaccine because I have an allergic reaction to components of the vaccine based on my past life.

Actually, doctor, you are treating me for one of those components. The doctor would tell her, look, wait right here. I was there. He would go and bring a piece of paper from the province of Ontario, the College of Physicians and Surgeons, or the federal government, showing that as a doctor, if somebody in Canada, this is what happened, and this is still on the books now, it's the rule. If somebody asks you for an exemption, and it's written there,

you as the doctor need to inform them that you need to give them the first shot. Only if they develop myocarditis or they get an allergic and anaphylactic reaction there in your office, are you to then consider not giving them any further vaccine. So the person would say, but doctor, that means I could technically, potentially die. And if you hear,

oh no, don't worry about that. We get a nurse when you come to give you a shot because you're a little sensitive, blah, blah, blah. That person would say, doctor, no dice, no deal. I can't. So the person would go back to their workplace and tell their boss, I'm not taking the shot. The back to their workplace And tell their boss I'm not taking the shot

The doctor is not giving me the medical exemption The boss would say Because the doctor said If I did give you the exemption I would get fined $78,000 By the college, by the government And I could lose my license So she would tell the boss

He wouldn't give me the exemption. The boss is going to have to lay off. Well, the other part of that story is Susie went on for three, four, five months without a job. And across America, many Susies took their life. See, that's the issue. There are a lot of implications for these wrong, crazy policies that we know today that the vaccine was non-sterilizing, non-neutralizing, did not stop transmission. There was never any legal, medical, clinical, scientific basis for mandate. These vaccines should have been offered, never mandated. My argument is it shouldn't have even been brought in the first place. But I'm just saying, Susie

went and hung herself. So who is going to pay for Susie hanging herself? That's the problem. So when everybody talk about kumbaya and let's hold hands and kiss and make up, Susie had a family that doesn't have a mummy anymore.

So that's the issue. And that happened across the world. So these people didn't make, this is not like going to buy a pair of shoes and, oh, I make a mistake, the wrong color. You affected people's lives. People, lives ended because of what you did. And if you made decisions that caused deaths, we need to talk about it. And we need to figure out how to make sure that you don't ever have that kind of authority again.

You could never do that again, ever. So, you know, like, let me just say, you know, a couple of little nuggets came onto your show today, and I'll say another one now. I am in the Trump orbit, and the discussion was where we need to get President Trump to stand up on the podium in some capacity to really talk about the harms of the lockdowns, to really talk about the vaccines. We know that technically he's the type of person, he wouldn't Trump is not the person to come and say, hey, you know what, boy, these vaccines seem to be a problem.

I made a serious mistake with Operation Warp Speed, et cetera. Never. Trump will never look. But I wrote into his space to direct people in contact with him because it was asked. And I said, look, President Trump needs to strongly consider, because he likes those words, I am going to strongly consider. We will give it serious consideration. So you could almost hear Trump saying it. We're going to look at liability protection given by that PrEP Act,

ISR, in February 2020. And we're going to strongly consider repealing it, taking it off the books, and even going retroactive. So all of you people who were harmed by the vaccines could have some kind of recourse in a court. We're going to strongly consider a victim's compensation fund. So all you police

and military and nurses, etc., who got harmed by the lockdowns, etc., you could get some recourse in compensation. President Trump needs to come to the public and have a couple of those statements because the public was hurt by the lockdowns

and these vaccines. I'm sorry to say, and I'm a huge supporter under him. Yes, he was misguided. He was misguided by Fauci and Birx. And that whole task force clunker. That was a clunker of people. Buffoons, I call them. Save Brett Giroir.

Because I actually worked with Dr. Giroir. Smart guy. He actually was trying to keep America treading water with these COVID tests, which actually won't test. That whole thing was a crazy, over-cycled madness by itself. But what I'm saying is, we need leadership.

And we need somebody like a Trump. He froze again. Or somebody, and I believe somebody else. If somebody else comes along, if one of these candidates jumped the gun here on Trump and say what I just said, that they're going to look at

victim compensation, they're going to look at the liability protection under the prep, they're going to find a way to make Americans whole. See, that's the word, that's the legal word. Make us whole again from what's the word. That's the legal word. Make us whole again from what we went through. That person could actually win the

presidency. So President Trump needs to be very, very focused on this right now because I really and truly drew the lockdowns hurting. They did. People... He shouldn't have gone past two weeks for sure. And you're right. He was listening to people that he should not have listened to.

And he should stand up. He never talks about being wrong. But all of us, where we were wrong, we need to come clean immediately. I was looking at the Rumble rants here, and somebody was saying, oh, you're afraid you'll be indicted. I have no fear of that at all. But I am a student of the French Revolution, And I've been thinking a lot about that lately and how when the guillotines come out, everybody ends on the guillotine. That's one of the reasons I don't think going for blood is such a great idea. I think it just ends up in a cycle of terror,

frankly. We all become Robespierre at that point. And somebody else also said that I somehow didn't see the true. What was it about this guy that calls me Pax Lovid, Drew? Look, I'm happy to be open to everything. I'm happy to say where I've been wrong. I'm happy. I'm no fear of indictment. This is the process where you look at yourself and where you were wrong. You come clean about as quickly as possible and you try to adjust and learn.

That's how you learn I like being wrong it's how I grow I gotta take a quick second here there it is I don't know what they're talking about Drew because you do it almost every other show you admit something

that you were wrong on and that you learned that doesn't make any sense what this person is saying yeah well I think it's that they don't like that I still prescribe Paxlovid to elderly patients you were wrong on and that you learned. That doesn't make any sense what this person is saying. Yeah. Well, I think it's that they don't like that I still prescribe Paxlovid to elderly patients who get better with it all the time. If I had only good results from it, I would not prescribe it so much. And by the way, when they start charging $1,300 per course for my patients, maybe we won't be using it so much. But now it's still no cost to the patients the insurances are still paying for them really quickly dr alexander i want to tell people about cb distillery if you're having pain if you're stressed out which this conversation would do so consider cbd from cb distillery cb distillery targets formulations

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choice and access. And these things are very safe too, by the way, which is nice. Dr. Alexander, so here we are, you and I, I think we've spoken twice over the last two years, I would say, I would guess. And I feel as though your position and your messaging has become clearer and more, um, what word shall I use? Um, earnest and concern. No, no, you've got, you're on fire. I'll admit it. But, but, uh, but your, your earnestness and your concern and your clarity have, have, have become, um, quite interesting to me because indeed, as time has gone on, we've learned more and it's become increasingly clear what happened and how bad it was. What do we do? People still live in silos

where, where to talk about this is somehow, uh, threatening their worldview. There's a religiosity that has captured us in many respects in terms of our politics and our COVID feelings. Do you have a specific way of addressing that? Is it the lack of religion that this fills into this void? And do we need a more spiritual life? And is that the answer? Or are there cognitive ways to address these distortions that people are so prone to

well first of all before let me just say quickly i just want to support everything you said about the wellness company good company i'm proud to be connected to it twc.health please go on you read and you make informed decisions now yeah the reality is that that I think there's so much cognitive bias. I think we're so trained now in schools, et cetera, that in these kind of safe spaces kind of world that we live in now, this world, if you hear anything that disagrees with your view of the issue, first of all, you hate it, you don't want to hear it,

you switch it off, and you just run away. And we have now a system where from the young people go all the way up, there's no ability to have an informed discussion where you're listening to the other person, you're sharing your point of view, and you're taking in what they're saying and maybe want to reflect on it a bit. No. Today we have a situation in America where if I don't like or agree with what you're saying, I don't just have to disagree. I have to physically attack you and I have to deliberately hate you. And I think that is a devastating place that we have come to. And yes, I think that part of the problem is the issue around religion in the sense of,

it doesn't matter to me what religion you ascribe to. I just think you need to, a human being needs some sort of faith because faith gives you, this is how I look at it and this is how my life is. Like I have to believe in some things that I can't even see. I've been told to me

since I was a little kid. So I'm believing. I have faith and trust that my parents and my family and friends and the elders, my mentors, whatever they told me, have some truth in it. So I'm going to hope. We all need

hope, Drew. This is how I look at it in a basic way. I need tonight to have hope in tomorrow, that tomorrow hasn't come yet, but when I rise, we'll be in tomorrow. And I hope that tomorrow will be, if not like today, a little better or even much better than today. So it's that hope that drives us forward and pulls me along. And you find that you could be driving on the street

and sometimes you see these young people particularly, or even middle-aged people, they're walking down the street, you could see that they don't know where they're going. They're punching the post box. They're just kicking the can. They're just moving. And that, to me, is a dangerous situation because you need to have some idea in the morning what this is all about, what life is about, what you're going to do today. And I think what happened is that you remember I wrote this paper in Brownstone and

About the lockdowns when they had this guy who ran into the arm To the top solution shot ten people dead about a year ago And I and I wrote this paper talking about it because he was 18 Well, he was 15 at the start of the lockdowns approximately and he was 18. Well, he was 15 when he started the lockdowns approximately and he was 18 when he committed the crime. Now if you go in your religious manifesto and that's why I wrote a paper on it and it was published. I got interviews, it was all over, it was viral. I said the issue here is young people today, they need structure in their lives. And the lockdowns and the school closures took out that, the rituals, the predictability rituals,

that they need to get up. And he wrote, he said, look, during the lockdowns, I had one friend in school, and I would look forward to go to school. My family life was terrible. So I'd look forward to go to school every day and see my friend and talk. And all of a sudden, they locked down the school and locked the society down. And they would open

it, close it, open it, close it. And eventually I dropped out. And you know what? Nobody looked for me. Nobody asked where I was. Nobody was interested. And I got the time, the first time in my life, plenty of time. I went into the basement and I spent a lot of time searching the dark web. And it was there that I found things that poisoned my mind. And he wrote, I am a monster today and I am going to commit this crime. Basically, he said, because my mind now is gone. And the Internet and time darkened me and took me places I didn't

know existed and I am a monster. It has made a monster of me. So I think the lockdown hurt people terribly. It hurt our children irreparably. It's taken a three year gap

in their social and emotional and maturational development oh yeah that you could see it you could feel it and um you know what you use the word religion it's hard to talk about it because people are going to write in your show and they'll be upset they will say oh we don't know this is a religious show blah blah blah but um the fact about it is you need some sense of spirituality you need some sense of faith in tomorrow in people you need to trust and you just need to understand that um my look I was born personally as a person. I was born, I grew to understand life growing up that I have the chance. Where were you born?

I was born in the Caribbean, in Trinidad to be specifically. My great-grandparents were from different countries. My dad's side from Lebanon. And then my grandparents were born in Cuba. And some of the other, they ended up in the Caribbean and some were from Venezuela. So that's kind of where my passion comes.

But here's the key. Here's the key. The key is that I think that we all in this world, we have a chance to give something back. I didn't just come to take away this. Before I leave this world, my viewers, they have to know that we were here. They know that Drew was here. Why?

Because of some positive things Drew has done in his life, and he's trying to help. You may not like this direction. You may not like what he's saying, but he's trying trying something and i think that's what people need to understand we need to find that niche we need to find that place so we can contribute our verse to the song of life yes no it it is it is it is the topic of how does someone lead a good life? What is a good life? And you can think about that a million ways. And Caleb, like I brought up the other day,

I said, you know, good life is not necessarily a happy life. I think most people would agree that Jesus led a good life. It had huge impact on human society. I'm not sure he had a happy life. And if he had chosen to avoid risk and safety overall, as we seem to have done in this country, Jesus's life might've turned out a little different. But I think the way he chose to take risk and lead a good life, turns out, had a positive impact. I've always said, I want one thing on my gravestone, which was he made a difference.

That's it. That'd be fine. That'd be good at that point. One last thing you mentioned, I love what you said about hope, by the way, but you talked about ascending to the truth. We have to really get honest about the recent history of academia, whereas post-structuralism took hold about 15 years ago in this country. And I think people forget that. And post-structuralist philosophy is truth does not exist. Truth is just a point of view. It's just another point of view. And the reality is, I've had this conversation with Bill Maher a couple of times

and I'm gonna talk to him again soon. I wanna get into this in greater detail that truth is everything. Truth is our job. We'll never get there, but our job, particularly as scientists, is to ascend to an approximation of the truth. And the fact that some French philosophers from 75 years ago, and by the way, as as scientists, is to ascend to an approximation of the truth. And the fact that

some French philosophers from 75 years ago, and by the way, as I said, I've been obsessing about the French lately, they will have none of the post-structuralists. They laugh at people that think that that's a worthy philosophical point of view. It was a blip, a minuscule blip in the history of philosophy that went from about 1953 to about 1965, and everyone left it behind, and academia in this country decided that that's what they're going to hang their hat on, a philosophical orientation that the truth did not exist.

It was only a point of view, and that has done untoward harm. We've got to get back to trying to, to the best that this instrument can, approximate the truth. Paul. Yes, I 100% agree with you, and particularly for the young people, because they are constantly looking on at people like you, people like myself, people out there that they're looking for some direction and they need to understand that um they want to see that we are governed by some some semblance of structure and truth in that um

in that we are not making things up willy-nilly and that we have some purpose if the the issue is the issue is what is the purpose of why you exist? Oh, shoot. What you're doing today, et cetera. And did I freeze? Freeze. You did freeze, but go ahead. It came right back.

Yeah. Look, the thing about it is in medicine and science, which is the area that we operate in, we have to operate on the truth. We have to operate on fact. We have to operate on reason. And we can't fudge that. And it's when we try to fudge that that we get into trouble. And I think in COVID, that is what happened. I don't know if historically we were sure that people really made honest mistakes. I don't know if historically we will show that people really

made honest mistakes. I don't know if that's what will be shown. I don't know if it will be shown that people made deliberate mistakes. What I do know is today, when we look at the body of evidence, when we look at the body of everything that was done, most of everything that was done was wrong. And it boggles the mind that how all of these people could all be wrong at the same time. It makes no sense. Well, mass formation, mass formation, hysteria, I mean, it happens. I mean, look at history. I thought we'd gotten over that as human beings. Turns out all these things happen and re-happen and happen again.

Yes. I also agree with you on that. And the reality about it, boy, Drew, is that we were put into a tailspin. I think a lot of got sidelined and were spun into a loop when they gained a lot of power. And I think we lost several things in COVID. One of the key things we lost was the virus. This pathogen took some people. But I think the principal thing that we lost is we lost people from the

lockdowns, from the denial of treatment, from the medical management. But what we really lost is our freedoms, our liberties, our own decisions. And I think we bring it back to the wellness company in a sense that that is the thing that appealed to me when I joined them, is that new company, nascent, developing, everybody makes mistakes and they're feeling their way. But what they're trying to do in the dictum is to empower you, again, to take back your own decision-making about your medical health,

that it is you as an individual should run your own body, your medical decision- making and your health. And not no bureaucrat sitting down in D.C. at CDC and NIH just making policies that affect in your life. So I think from that point of view, I think that gave up our sacred privileges given by God according to our Constitution, and every other country followed suit in their own way. But what we really lost was the ability to protect those rights and privileges. The bureaucrats showed they could trample them, and we have to reestablish rules that prevent them from trampling or we have lost again. Excellent. And I think what you're actually saying is that the world of January, February 2020 no longer exists.

And it's that the people need to really wrap their head around. That world is gone. Our government and leaders took that the people need to really wrap their head around that that world is gone our government and leaders took that world away from us and it's exactly how you just said it we need to enact some constraints on the powerful people and the decision makers so they could never do those things again and um i don't know after four years i don't know if we even begun to get there because we're still squabbling and fighting and um you know i'm i'm very very concerned some days i talked a lot of people in the freedom movement the senior people the people you see on this the media every day and a lot of us sometimes are very depressed because,

because it's almost as though you use that term. You're almost like you're pissing in the wind. And I hope I'm not being disrespectful. It's not disrespectful, but I, I understand the feeling. I've certainly had that feeling, but I think it's,

I think it's moving. I think it's, I, I have a new, I have to wrap our conversation up today, but I welcome you back anytime. And hopefully we can do this again soon. But my motto is we can do better in 2024.

That's my motto. It's very simple. We can do better. And we're all doing, we're all rowing in the right. We're starting to row, the ship's starting to turn, and we just got to do better. Just keep going. Yep. I will close with that also.

You know, using what I was trying to say before, is that I think we as human beings need to be very tender and have care with each other. We need to be able to forgive. We need to have gracious mercy with each other and understand that we are all imperfect people, fallen people, people who make a lot of mistakes. But we try and we have to do work on ourselves every day and admit that. We must admit that we need to do work every day.

It's like our relationships. We need to work on them every day. day because at the end of the day when we look back at life what what is of value most drew i've realized is is the triumph of integrity for everything else and the question is do you have as a person a line of integrity that is fixed or do you have a line of integrity that can be moved my line of integrity is fixed you may not like my line you may not like how i think because i'm a very matter of fact blunt person i want to deal with people who have a fixed line of integrity that i know right from wrong i know where you stand i know what you believe in it's very very important very you know this 2024

Drew is is probably going to be the most consequential time and year in our lifetime this coming election and I'll just leave it like that well it's not

not time to well whatever your point of view on it it's not time to let down it's time to stand up which is extraordinary thing that we have we must do. And I walk away with two words.

Go ahead. I want to thank you, Drew. I mean, yeah, you invited me on your show to talk again, but I must also thank you in the sense that you are one of the people with people like America Out Loud, these kinds of platforms that, when the legacy media cancelled us and smeared and slandered us, people like me, McCullough, Ruiz, all of you, you know the

whole guy, all the guys, you bring them on. It was people like you who kept the door open to us and gave us a voice. And it was a 1520 all of us I have been very straightforward who decided four years ago that we're gonna stand up and we are we're not gonna take this we're gonna we're gonna wage this battle for the public for the world and it's still 1520 them few additions and few changes drop out additions but there's a core group. We've held the wall because of you. Because you gave us,

you are our back. We still need you. And you are actually on the front line too. So you play both roles. It's very important that you stay in the fight with us because we're not going to back down. Fantastic. I'm with you.

But again, I'm one small outlet. But i'm with you i i but i again i'm one small uh outlet and uh and i but i agree with you it is time to stand up and i'm happy to have been i'm delighted to be a part of it and when i heard by the way who they were canceling guys like you and badachari and rish i was like that's what is going on why would you cancel those guys and i bet i could learn so my simple thing was paul was just i bet i could learn something. My simple thing was, Paul, was just, I bet I could learn something from talking to these guys. I bet there's something there that I'm not hearing. And you were one of the first ones

when you talked about what happened with Redfield and the six feet distancing. I was like, oh, well, that's where it came from. Okay, I just learned something very specific. And that's where it came from. And now we have Fauci admitting it. That's where it came from. And now we have Fauci admitting it. That's where it came from. It came from nowhere.

It came from bureaucrats just dreaming it up. Nowhere. All right, we got to wrap this up. But the two words I want to leave everyone with that you mentioned a few minutes ago was hope. Now you said you're feeling kind of down about things and your group is feeling down. I want you to hang on the hope, Paul.

Dr. Alexander, use your own word. It's hope. And the other word is in order to maintain integrity, Dr. Alexander used the word fallen, which we all are. We all have weaknesses. We must constantly reassess ourselves or we will fall short of our integrity. So constantly reassess, constantly reassess and accept that fallenness. Dr. Paul Alexander, see him at drpaulalexander.com. Thank you, sir, and hope we'll talk soon. Thank you very much. Cheers. There is his book, Presidential Takedown. Check that out if you like some of what you heard today. I hope to get him back again soon. We have a lot to talk about, he and I. Here's what's coming up.

Here's our schedule. I think we just rescheduled Roseanne, if I remember. She was going to come in yesterday, but she rescheduled with us. Peter McCullough coming in. Joseph Latipova, Roseanne. Look at that list. We got more. We're just filling it up. We have great guests, and we'll take the recommendations if you guys have any. They want Bill Maher. Oh, Bill

would be great. I don't know if we could pull that off. Well, you can work on it. Maybe he'll come. Yeah, we're going to see him next week. You're going to see him soon. So we can work on him. Maybe we can get him on the TWC bandwagon. We'll see. We'll have a conversation with him soon, you and I. And you tend to be more persuasive with him than I.

So we'll see how that goes. I'll leave that to you. I'm a master of persuasion. Thank you, Blat Dingus, for your support there. We watched you and we watch all of you interacting with everybody we're watching that rumble rant susan anything come out of that i wanted to show our new studio shots okay but i don't know if caleb will do it okay let me show the shots let's see uh i can show a couple of these other two of the cameras so wait sus, Susan, I see you over there.

All right. So this is a shot. Let's show that one. That's one. Oh, nice. That's very cool. Look at that. Look at that.

Oh, my goodness. Nice little fireplace looking set over there. That looks nice. That's going to be good. And then what else we got? When we have other guests. She's running to another spot. Oh, yeah.

Wait, she's running to the other spot here. Let's see. That's her spot that we come to see. Oh wait, so that's going to be the corner. But this is the corner where the other guests will sit. This is going to be our new guest corner. I say the guests should be there. I think that's when we have guests in the studio,

it should be that seat. Yeah, it's not really focused. It's not really zoomed out correctly, but it's, yeah. No, I'm sorry. I take it back. I think it should be we have in the studio. It should be that seat. Yeah, it's not really focused. It's not really zoomed out correctly, but it's, yeah. No, I'm sorry. I take it back. I think it should be the other mic, guys. Caleb, show that up again. Wait.

I think it should be the mic over, let me see if I can get it, over there. I think it should be that mic as our primary. I might, yeah, switch you guys back and forth to the next to each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Possibly even have. We'll be looking at each other.

Yeah, yeah. There. People get, they're getting to see some behind the scenes here at the show. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that have looking at each other. Yeah. Yeah. There. People get that. They're getting to see some behind the scenes here at the show. Yeah. Look at that. Right. Here I am over here.

Oh, yeah. That's an angle they've never seen before. Susan, they're working very hard on this studio. I love it. So we appreciate that. And Caleb as well. And all right, everybody. I've got to run.

Again, back Tuesday, 3 o'clock Pacific time. Thank you all for being here. We were watching all. A lot of good, I thought it was kind of good discussions on the restream and the rant today. It was heated. I saw it. Susan, anything come out of that for you? No, I love the guy.

I follow his substance. No, no, no. I mean all the stuff that was going on. Oh, Paul, you love. Yes. I mean, we had him on last year and he was saying all this stuff before. Not like this. There's clarity. He last year, and he was saying all this stuff before. Not like this. There's clarity. He's very ambitious, and he really wants to spread the love.

But follow his sub stack because he's got a lot of information. All right. Having said all that, I'm going to wrap this up. Thank you. We'll see you next Tuesday, 3 o'clock Pacific time. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only.

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