Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Fauci Subpoenaed: He Briefed CIA On COVID Origins, Picked The Scientists To Clear Him, Then Told Senate It Didn’t Happen – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 636

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Dr. Anthony Fauci has been subpoenaed by the US Senate, just days after Tulsi Gabbard declassified more COVID-origins documents. Justin Hart says they finally show how Dr. Fauci used a “circular reporting loop” to mislead the CIA as they investigated whether “his own funded research might have caused the pandemic.” While under oath in 2024, Fauci was asked by Congress if he’d spoken to the CIA about viral research, responding “not to my knowledge about COVID.” These new documents appear to conflict with Dr. Fauci’s testimony. “It works like this,” writes Hart. “Fauci hands the intelligence community a list of scientists to consult. The IC consults them. Their conclusions become the official intelligence assessment… The scientists vouch for Fauci, the spies vouch for the scientists, and the public is told the whole circle is consensus.” Hart says Fauci pointed analysts toward research he called consistent with natural origins and recommended specific scientists who already agreed with him. Justin Hart discusses the new bombshell reports and Bill Pulte, tapped as acting DNI after Gabbard’s resignation. Anthony Henry, the 18-year-old Republican candidate for the New Hampshire State House who fought school mask mandates as a middle schooler, speaks on the next generation entering the political arena. Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson, veterinary epidemiologist and author of “The Longevity Nutrient,” discusses ferroptosis, metabolic hyperferritinemia, and the emerging case for C15:0 (Fatty15) as a nutritional deficiency of our era. Justin Hart is the founder of RationalGround.com and author of “Gone Viral: How Covid Drove the World Insane.” An AI technologist and executive consultant with more than twenty-five years of experience with Fortune 500 companies and presidential campaigns, he worked with Dr. Scott Atlas at the Trump White House during the pandemic. Follow at https://x.com/justin_hart Anthony Henry is an 18-year-old Republican candidate for the New Hampshire State House and a senior at Pinkerton Academy in Derry, NH. He advocated against Covid mandates at school board meetings in middle school. He was appointed to the Derry School District’s Fiscal Advisory Committee at age 16. Learn more at https://anthonyhenryfornh.com/ Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson is co-CEO and co-Founder of Seraphina Therapeutics, makers of Fatty15, and author of “The Longevity Nutrient“. A veterinary epidemiologist, her background includes DARPA, the U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, and research on nutritional C15:0 deficiencies. Learn more at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oh my goodness. What do we mean by gain of function even? Yesterday, Dr. Anthony Fauci was subpoenaed by Rand Paul just days after Tulsi Gabbard declassified a new batch of COVID origin documents. Those files claim to show how Fauci used a circular reporting loop. And our guest today gets into detail with that at rationalground.com. I suggest you read that article. He's also the author of Gone Viral. That of course is Justin Hohm. Heart. I'll give you the specifics here if I have it. Okay, the way this is organized is still not working for me. All right, so apparently Dr. Fauci had briefed the CIA on whether his own fund of research caused the pandemic, pointing analysts towards

natural origin story, and then recommended that they consult with the scientists that he already agreed with him that he selected. After, let's see if I can find some specifics for you and where to Justin HART, Justin underscore Hart on X.

Justin Hart.biz and Rationalground.com. And also, oh boy, helloaI.com. All right. It's all Justin's stuff there. But he wrote a great article on the recursive nature of the relationship between Dr. Fauci and what he was expressing to the intelligence community. Then we'll be joined by Anthony Henry and 18-year-old running for New Hampshire Statehouse, 18-year-old.

He fought for school mandates. He fought against school mask mandates back in middle school. And he is going to talk about the next generation entering politics. Right, him at Anthony Henry for NH.com. And then finally, Dr. Stephanie Venn Watson, of course, our veterinary epidemiologist, who discovered the benefits of antidecinoic acid. We'll make a visit with us to talk about some new findings, making the supplement look even more compelling.

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I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. You have trouble. You can't stop.

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consultant, many decades of experience with Fortune 500 companies, and he himself worked with Dr. Scott Atlas at the Trump White House during the pandemic. Please welcome Justin Hart. Dr. Drew, great to be with you. Thanks for having you. Thanks for having me on today. It really is good to see you. So explain to people what you laid out in the rational ground article because, and if you don't mind, I'm going to interrupt you a little bit along the way to try to raise issues that I know are going to come up in these proceedings. Look, the short of it is, for the last three years, we've had a lot of innuendo, a lot of some declassified emails, some slack messages, some whistleblowers. And all of them alluded to this

story that Dr. Fauci had made his way into the circles of the intelligence community and had steered them away from a Wuhan leak to his favorite course of theme, which is the proximal origin, the wet market development of COVID-19, which we all know was a big fallacy altogether. But now we have the proof to it. Tulsi Gabbard, as she exited for the last time in her role as Director of National Intelligence Declassified documents. and now we have the evidence, not just some declassified emails, we have the actual readouts from the CIA meetings so that when Dr. Fauci was under oath in June of 2024, and he was asked,

point blank, have you ever spoken to the CIA, FBI, or DIA about COVID? And his answer was, not to my knowledge about COVID, but now we know he distinctly did on numerous occasions and the pattern of the story is working out that Dr. Fauci has been the go-to guy for the intelligence community on all of these health-related issues for the last several decades, and he has steered the community in that direction. He should have worked for the left-wing press because he's very good at basically giving them what they want with the stories that he wants to tell, and that's kind of where we're at right now. Have you seen CNN's response to this? the press, the mainstream media, I guess we call them still, even though they're not, no longer

mainstream, is saying, oh, this doesn't prove anything. And they just dig into a lot of the, they clearly haven't read the material. Now, my understanding is in Rational Ground, you had read everything, all these email chains. That's right. We had access to these. Some of these, I got from FOIA access through my own lawsuit against the government when they shut down my ex and Facebook account. And of course, As you mentioned, we were basically the data team behind Scott Atlas when he was at the White House trying to write the ship there when Dr. Fauci had sunk the entire country into this malaise. And so the history goes back there and we've seen the evidence of the stuff.

And now we have even more. I mean, right up front there in the discovery, it had been alluded to in just a couple news articles that there was some vague report that came out from Lawrence Livermore Labs, their intelligence arm, that said, oh, we think it might be a lab leak. And now we have those as the first documents that Tulsi actually declassified. And it's very clear from the Lawrence Livermore lads, they thought right away in May of 2020, this was a lab leak. And there's no other way to explain it. And so we have Dr. Fauci's footprints and fingerprints all over this as he hightailed it over to Langley,

as he hightailed it to all of these gifts to have these private conversations with the intelligence community in which they said, well, we really need to show up this report if it's not a lab league. And what did he give them? He gave them all of the names of the scientists who had all written, written articles and made their determination of the proximal origin, if you recall, that

this was not a lab league. It came from the web market. Even Christian Anderson, who lives right here in San Diego. In fact, I can see his offices right out my window here in Scripps. And he basically said, early on, when the first pandemic came, says, it sure looks like a frigate.

in the lab leak, but later he changed his story. And in truth, his company was rewarded for it. He got many, many millions of dollars of grants. Those pieces are still being put together. There are a lot of questions that we have, Dr. Drew. Yeah, there still are. And there's, but there's room to wiggle through, it seems to me. Like Christian Anderson, I heard him in several podcasts saying, no, no, no, Dr. Fauci did not in any way persuade us. He let us arrive at their own conclusions. There was a whole group of us gathering. We kept moving towards, I mean, I don't know how the hell they could ignore the lab leak by hypothesis even. They seemed to choose completely unwilling to look at that. But they did build a case for proximal origin. You just didn't

attempt to build a case for the lab leak at the same time. What was that like being around the White House during all that, as you say, trying to write the ship with Scott Atlas. What were you guys thinking? What were you saying to each other? What did you imagine? was going on. You must have felt like you'd go right through the looking glass. It was crazy. Now, we were all over the country and we were heads down in our computer. We were on daily phone calls with Scott trying to help him get the data that he needed. Of course, Dr. Fauci and Berks had the entire might of the CDC and otherwise behind them. And so, you know, Dr. Scott, Dr. Atlas would say, I'm headed to Philadelphia. I'm going to need some numbers here. And we would crank away

and get those numbers for him, and she would somehow have the upper hand, because she had a hundred people working at her disposal. But as Dr. Atlas will tell you, he would go into these meetings, and he would have his documents, he would have his studies, he would have all this data. He says, here's mine, where is yours? And they typically had nothing. They didn't bring anything to the table. And now we know why, because they were just CYA the entire time. And how do you do that in an official capacity where you go into a skiff with the central intelligence agents, and the other intelligence groups, and you try to persuade them in the direction that you want them because your story has to win. Otherwise, it comes out that you funded the research

that killed millions of people across the world. Okay, so that was the reason for the obfuscation and the dance was to make sure people didn't find out that we funded this research, right? Yeah, I mean, don't forget. What was Francis? Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I say, don't forget, you know, Eco-E.

Health Alliance, which was the vehicle through which Fauci funded this, had gone to DARPA. You know, the cutting edge of the defense industry who will accept a lot of crazy, crazy projects. And they said, this is too risky. In fact, you don't even make an attempt to identify the risks of what you're trying to do here. And instead, Dr. Fauci funded EcoHealth Alliance, which they went over to Wuhan, and they did a lot of that same technology. No matter what he wants to call it, you know, he's basically. harping back to it depends what the definition of is is it was gain of function research he funded

it it leaks uh and that's where we ended up it's a crazy scene that is exactly the phrase that i have been saying to people it's it's it harkens back to bill clinton who said famously it depends what is is as a defense uh something i have something to do with monica lewinski as i recall but but but the reality is he's going to obfuscate around the definition of gain of function. I've heard him say that pass-throughs is not gain a function. While anybody who sort of speaks English would say, you're either gaining function for infectivity or you are not doing things to improve and gain function of infectivity to human beings.

It's a difficult thing. This is all very opaque. By one map that we have from China, the lab where they were producing this, because the Wuhan Institute had several labs around the city was basically a stone's throw, if you will, a six-minute walk to this web market, right? And so that was conveniently located. Look, it's very clear.

Fauci funded it. He shaped the science. He steered the intelligence community, and then he testified under oath that he did none of that, right? The contours were there for three years, and now we have the receipts. So that's really what this is coming down to. I mean, this isn't just like,

I happen to remember, He spent 40 minutes in a classified skip with the CIA talking about COVID. Well, that's one of the things I noticed in your article, at least in some of the emails you reprinted in the article, is that there was, I didn't quite, I don't understand this landscape, so you're going to have to clarify this for me. There was talk about sort of being boxed in by classified information. They couldn't talk about it.

They couldn't exchange it. They couldn't go public. What was that? Do you remember those emails where they were really kind of saying, well, because of this, we can't do that. I mean, I understand what classified is, but what information were they actually talking about? Yeah, I think they were talking about, for example,

that Lawrence Livermore intelligence report, which came out in May 2020, and other pieces of information that we now have access to, which basically just indicated again and again. And it wasn't just like, well, it was likely allowed. It was like, no, there's a cleavage site, the actual biological mechanism through which we think, it was modified for gain of function is there in the evidence. That's far beyond my pay grade,

but my colleagues who are very adept at this thing will tell you right away, the evidence was there from the get-go as you look through the actual biological evidence to say, this sure looks at in, I think it was a Christian Anderson who said it frame looks like it was a lab leak. And that's the case that we think they should have made continually, but instead they decided to go to the safe route because, yeah, their fingerprints were all over funding. they really downplayed that fear in cleavage site because of its existence in other clades of coronavirus. It never gets anywhere near COVID-19's fur in sight, that whole clade. No way that got inserted into the end of the spike protein.

I mean, that's just the way it is. There's no other way it got there. And I've spoken to Chinese scientists who claimed to have been involved in that research. They claimed they were actively doing this. And it was a project of the People's Liberation Army. Yeah, this has a lot of crazy fingerprints. You heard Rand Paul at the beginning talking about Dr. Ralph Barrick from the University of North Carolina. And he co-authored a paper with what later became the Batwoman, right?

And all of this information is there. We all have the evidence of it. And then, of course, I think the big breaking point for us was when David Moran, who is a long time, decades-long, co-author with Dr. Fauci, his right-hand man in many ways, got in front of Congress and revealed how much they were hiding. Dr. Drew, they would literally rename the words, gain of function, throw a little pound signed in there or an ad sign to throw off FOIA. They would go to the FOIA lady, is what they called her, at the NIH, and find for ways to do

that. I was just with my friend, Dr. J. Badacharya, who's there at the NIH, pinch me that he's in charge of this thing. I have a lot of great confidence that he's going to clean up those halls because it was a mess. And that was just the beginning, if you remember, about the origin. The rest of it, we could spend the rest of our lives talking about lockdowns and school closures and the damage that it did at the hands of Dr. Fauci's assessments. So back to Jay Bhattacharya, I think didn't Francis Collins have his job during the COVID era? And Francis Collins has says, has said things out loud into microphones that are just, I mean, to say they're chilling is

underestimating what they were to be, including that they didn't contemplate what harms they might do with their interventions. They were just focused on stopping the virus. This is the opposite. That's mad scientist stuff. That's mad doctor stuff. So I'm always wondering, what was Francis Collins' role in all this? Look, it was a very difficult one.

And now we know through these same emails that have just been declassified, Dr. Collins was in there behind the scenes pushing the very notes around a natural origin for the disease. And he says, I contributed to this, but it's good for him that we weren't included on the paper. This is something I know that Jay is really, really keen on. Dr. Botachari over there at the NIH is saying one of the biggest problems they had there was that the people who are making the policy decisions were also signing the grants. And so if you're making policy decisions that later turn out to be ridiculous, like let's say school closures or mask mandates, and the likelihood of someone being funded for a study that basically counters your particular policy is absurd. And so you've got to separate those things altogether. Dr. Collins, who seems like a nice guy, you know a lot of people who like him, he was basically there rooting on the causes that Dr. Fauci had with little. or no evidence that the recommendations that they had would do anything but hurt.

That was the issue there. And we had that early on with Dr. Scott Atlas when we called out and said, look, either COVID has cured cancer or something else is going altogether as cancer visits to doctors dropped by 80% in some cases in April of May that year. The impact of that is just being felt now.

Yes, I agree. So, but help me understand you were there I try to understand what kind of hysteria capture these people, particularly to me the most egregious chapter in all this is here we come with a less virulent strain of the virus. Omicron comes along. The vaccine not only no longer warranted. We have antivirals. We have all these things. Young people aren't getting sick from Omicron.

What in the world led to them pushing vaccine mandates at that point and as well, school? closures and mask mandates. It made no sense. But tell me what it was like on the inside there. Well, look, when you spend billions of dollars rushing a vaccine to market and you have huge financial incentives or disastrous incentives on the other side, if you don't go forward with the vaccine and you don't mandate it, there are huge incentives to keep that facade going there. And remind, this is history stuff. This happens again and again. All the way back to the 1600s when the plague hit Milan. And there was a group of people, Dr. Drew, they were called the Monati.

And they were basically the Fauci's of their day. They were like masters, like enemies, local accounts put it there. They would go in and the only way that you could be rid of them is if you bribe them and they would basically bless your home so that you would have to burn your furniture and all your homes because the plague, which was a real disease, was coming through there. But they were basically unaccountable. And that's the whole thing. the country was run by unaccountable,

unelected bureaucrats who had been there for decades and were in CYA mode for a virus that they funded through American tax dollars that came back to haunt them and they put in policies that they were just throwing at the wind. The six-foot policy, for example, they all admitted it was just a dart against the wall just to keep the masses in queue that they were doing something. Can you imagine the harm that just,

Just that six feet did for all of our country here as we became vectors of disease every single one of us. What a crazy time to relive. I would have rather they just asked us to stand on one leg and jump up and down because at least we could have continued our social interactions and our businesses. But Monarchie Fouchi, or Fouchi and Manouchi. Wow, it's really something. I just can't get my head around how crazy it became. And then how it was able, with all these stupid-ass ideas, how that was able to be pushed on people

and how we ended up with a bottom-up population of true believers that were doing insane things on behalf of this organization of the Knicks. Well, I'm hoping to explain that. My next book has come out in a little bit, Dr. Drew, and it's basically called the COVID screw tape letters. And if you will, it's a conversation between screw tape, who you remember from the CS Lewis Classic, was the devil, and his nephew here on earth.

And you might know him, but they talk about that very thing, how easy it was to manipulate the masses and keep them at bay, because even as they said, the fear of the mind was greater than the fear of the disease itself. Yeah, I saw a quote from, I remember who it was, like, I don't remember what else, but it was, you know, cancer is not, is not the problem.

The problem is, is the human mind and what can be done with it and the untold harm that could bring. I still, I mean, I, maybe I'm just, I don't want to believe it. And do you think in all this, people have a tendency to want to imagine, you know, mustache twirling and all good or all bad, other than some of the things that Francis Collins said, that to me seemed like complete mad doctor stuff. I kind of want to believe that people thought they were doing the right thing. But are you saying that it was primarily, if not exclusively,

to cover the discovery of the not just gain of function, but the funding of research that led to the release of this virus? Well, you know, I wish Dr. Collins and Dr. Fauci had studied human biology a little more closely because that survival technique, I think, is what shot in there. And it really did impact them in significant ways. There's an old Jewish story of the people who were there and died in the flood of Noah. And when the waters came to their hips, they brought their kids to their hips. When the waters came through the chest, they put their children on their shoulders.

But these people were so evil and so distraught in their biological form that when the waters came through their neck, they took their children and they stood on them so they could survive. And I know that's a terrible sad analogy, and it breaks my heart in that sort of, I think, mythical story. But that's really what we did. A lot of people covered their butt on standing on the education, on the health, on the just general impact that they had on the human race, and especially here in the United States, by making ridiculous policies that had no bearing, in fact. And in fact, it turns out they may have been the ones funding the virus.

in the first place. Right. They sacrificed unnecessarily the, what do we call it? The young ones. They sacrificed in a target. 18 to 15-year-old, 8 to 15-year-olds, I just kept thinking you're sacrificing these kids. This is really going to be bad for them.

Well, it was an extraordinary. Do you feel that we've come out of that era, any wiser? Or have it just separated us into? camps and no one's going to even hear about Dr. Fauci's testimony to Rand Paul. Like, trying to nail down Dr. Fauci into some type of recompenses like trying to nail jello dipped in olive oil to the wall. I don't think anyone should have expectation that he's going to be frog marched out of Congress and chains. That's not going to happen. But what I think

we can look to is what, you know, Dr. Bartonshari has said, we need a scientific revolution. Another scientific revolution that looks at repeatability as one of the major, cornerstones of looking towards our national and public health issues there because we cannot continue on. I do take heart in that there have been several little instances, as we'll notice, of mask mandates popping up or stay-at-home mandates. And almost instantly within hours, those have been rescinded because I don't think people will take that any longer. But again, you look back 100 years. I'll show you newspapers from San Francisco in 1918 of entire masked people on the front page there, showing their due diligence and masking there.

People forget over time. So I'm hoping we can record this for our future generations so that they don't have to go through this mess. Yeah. But, yeah. Well, it is a mess. It is disappointing. It's something that makes me feel not just confused, but crestfallen at our leadership. But, you know, I've heard Jace talk about the fact that he wants to get the reproducibility.

crisis under control. I think that's a very important thing. I think we also need to teach science more completely. The scientific method is really not being properly applied or even taught. And I find myself thinking about Galileo a lot these days. Galileo's experience was very much that of what many of us had during this pandemic. I'm sure you and Scott Atlas as well, where you're coming up against this giant bureaucracy. In Galileo's case, it was the Roman Catholic Church and the Roman Inquisition, not the Spanish Inquisition. And he kept offering his science. And he was told, no, no, no, it flies in the face of currently available bureaucratic wisdom.

You're going to have to settle down, Mr. Galileo. We'll get around to this eventually. But, you know, how dare you question the canonical values of the church? And certainly you're not going to be able to do it in some sort of paradigm shift. That's not going to happen. I feel like it's the same thing today all the time. No, it definitely is a religious sort of aspect. In fact, one study that looked at masks talked about its value as a talisman, right? And that's the whole thing. There's no real basis, in fact, to say that masks will curb a aerosolized novel pathogen across a populace, right? And yet we did it and we did it willingly and some of us didn't and we got in trouble for it and we got branded for it. And I think we came out victories because if you stick to the truth and you you stick to freedom and those precious bill of rights that we have here as Americans, you can never

go wrong of those things. But they will test you and they will try you on these things. A little known fact, I'll give you a given a thing. I remember you remember Dr. Bottachari when he was blacklisted from Twitter at that time. And then you remember Elon purchased Twitter in 2022. I think it was, 2023 or winner it was. And he had, Dr. He had Jay over to Twitter headquarters to show him how his account was blacklisted. And at that time, there were literally hundreds of my friends, Dr. Drew, who were not still back on Twitter. They had been banned because of their opposition to Vax mandates or to mask mandates, including myself for a while. And I remember I asked Jay just quietly say, you know, I don't know if it's possible, but here's kind of a list of people that might be, you know, due to be reinstated on X now that Elon has taken over. And on Christmas Eve, 22, I'll never forget this.

all the accounts came back online. And I said, what happened here? I sent Jay a note, and I don't have evidence that this happened. He just said, Merry Christmas, Justin. And so there are good people out there, and now they're in positions where they can steer the ship in the right direction. This is something that Dr. Atlas championed. It's something that Jay is there championing. So I'm very proud to know these people and call them my friends.

And I hope that we can reach across the people that were really, harmed and still very fearful about the mandates and everything that came about during those COVID years and that we can look back and teach our children. I mean, Dr. Drew, you know, I've got nine kids. And so I'm very much teaching them to look towards the evidence, look towards these things, make the right decisions, but most of all, be American, try to grasp after that freedom because it can be taken from you overnight. This is a great place to roll to a stop. other than rational ground, where do you want people to go? Oh, you can find me, Justin Hart.Biz, all my AI stuff that I've been doing.

It's kind of fun. And then, of course, on X, you can find me Justin underscore Hart is where you'll find all of my goodies there as well. I think AI has become the new climate change. That's the latest hysteria around AI. So I hope you're calming people down. Come and bring me back on. We'll have another chat about that. I've got all sorts of things that are happening around that area.

Good idea. All right. Thank you so much, my friend. Thanks, Dr. Troop. I'm kids. I know. Susan's okay. Get over that. Well, speaking of kids, Susan.

He, he, we, no, I think, no, I don't think that's compartmentalization. It might be, it might be, but it feels more like, um, defensiveness. Like he's really, he's, it's motivated reasoning. Motivated reasoning. He's motivated to obfuscate and to not, you know, to let the gain of the, the, uh, proximal origin people take hold and sort of, oh, good, yeah, massaging these things. I don't know, I'm not sure that's compartmentalization. It might be. But speaking of kids, Anthony Henry is 18 years old. He's running for New Hampshire State House. I'm going to talk to him after this.

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Who's Dr. Drew? Where is he? Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew. Anthony Henry for NH, stands for New Hampshire. Anthony Henry, H-E-N-R-E-Y.com. Also Facebook, Anthony Henry for a state representative that's on Facebook. Anthony, welcome.

Thank you, Dr. Drew, for having me. I'm excited to be here. Tell us about this campaign and how this came about and what you did in middle school. I am such a fan of young people engaging in the process. So congratulations. Well, thank you. My journey in politics really did start during COVID. I remember COVID starting when I was in sixth grade.

I remember we got home from school on a Friday. I believe it was March 13th or 14th. And I remember my parents getting the email saying that we would not be in school Monday. It was just Monday at that time. And as we know, that ended up spiraling into the rest of the year. We did end up coming back in person the next school year for a couple months. and then we were back in remote and then back in person. So COVID really showed me that it is possible for the government to exercise control over us.

And we had a school board that was not for the people at that time. We had a school board that was issuing these mask mandates toward us, as you were talking about with your previous guest. It was all just incredibly corrupt. And I sat in a few of those meetings with my parents. and we saw it firsthand. It's super crazy that here you are, you're, what, an 11-year-old or maybe 12-year-old, and you could see that something wasn't right.

Was that at the dinner table talking to your parents that you gained clarity in that, or did you just look at it and know immediately something was very wrong? Well, I think a lot of people didn't realize something was wrong for a little bit. I mean, when COVID first broke, I think a lot of people were underst. understandably scared. There's a big bad virus going out. We don't know what to do. You know, it was, as you were talking about with your previous guest, it was about 100 years since the last thing like that happened here in America. So for a little bit, it was scary. I remember going to the grocery store after that, after school that Friday, and the lines were literally

stretched across the store because people were so afraid. But I think after a few months when we really saw what this virus was and we saw oversteps that government was taking. I think that's when a lot of people started to wake up that something may be wrong here. One of the things I heard you had done was you lobbied to have the Bill of Rights posted in classrooms. Was that in response to all this? Because you could tell that our rights were being summarily infringed upon. It was partially because of that. The other part was I really saw a lack of civic knowledge. in my peers. I remember in a social studies class, the teacher

asked the students what the first 10 amendments to the Constitution was called. And I remember someone raising their hand and saying the 10 commandments. That's really funny. Yeah, it's funny to an extent, but it's also kind of

disturbing that people don't have that basic of a knowledge. So I actually talked to a school board member in Derry. At the time, it was the only Republican on the school board out of seven. And he talked to the principal. Me and the principal went to the PTA and we got the funds for it. I don't remember how many copies exactly, but every room that instruction was happening had a copy of the Bill of Rights. And last time I was in that school about a year ago, they were still up.

Amazing. Were members of your family politically active? I wonder how you got infected with all this. and then tell me how that generated your current campaign? So my family's always been, they've always followed politics. My great uncle was a city official in Revere, Massachusetts, but no one has really been active. They've really just paid attention. But COVID really sparked a fire in me that this is all important. I saw it firsthand.

And then when COVID started to go away, I remember that that started around February of 20, 2022 was when mask mandates were finally dropped. And I remember thinking to myself, you know, it's not always going to be this exciting. I should stick around. I should learn the boring stuff. That's what I did. I started attending post-COVID school board meetings.

I got to know the school board members, which was nice after I had yelled at them a few times during COVID. I got to know some of the town counselors. Derry has 10 state representatives. I got to know all of them, very good people. And I got involved. I ended up serving on the very school board that I had fought. I served three terms as the student representative to the school board. And I am in my third year on the fiscal advisory committee,

which is basically the school district budget committee. I want to hear about your current campaign, but before we get into that, one of the things I kept chanting during COVID, that eight to 15-year-olds were going to get injured by all this, you know, needless lockdown and school closure or whatnot. Have you seen the consequences of all that in your peers? And if so, what do you think is happening?

What have you seen? I have. And I think part of it is from COVID. You know, we were in our house learning on our computers. And I'll be honest, not everyone, including myself, was learning all the time when instruction was happening. It's very easy to get distracted when you're at home on a computer and when you're in middle or elementary school. So definitely part of it's from that.

And I also think we're just in the social media age where people have very limited attention spans. I think that's really hindering our learning as well. And I've seen it throughout my time in high school. I've seen a lot of people that I knew in elementary school that I thought were smart people and middle school. and I don't know, I just saw a change in them. It's kind of hard to describe. So at minimum, you're contemplating that it blunted their cognitive, their intellectual development. Was there any impact on emotional development that you saw?

I imagine both were impacted. Yeah, I think a lot of us were isolated. I mean, we couldn't go out. As I said, those first couple months were when it was really scary because no one knew what was going on. you know, it'd be nice to have some contact with other people. It was never really scary for young people. It never was. They scared you, but it was never really scary.

And that's what we didn't know until. That's what we didn't know until after. I mean, I knew it. It was possible to know it, but you couldn't hear it through the noise. And so this part of being isolated, I'm wondering if you feel like you did not, or some of your peers at least, didn't develop the skill set for socializing that normally would develop during those years of junior high school and high school. Yeah, I certainly saw that. I saw for a lot of people, it was harder to make friends, some people that were very social, suddenly became anti-social, and vice versa.

Wow. So tell me about this campaign. What created this? What do you hope to do? So I first decided to run about fall of last year. I had learned that we're having a couple of retirements from dairy. So I thought this might be a good time for me to step up. And I had some conversations with some leaders in dairy and throughout the state.

They thought I'd be a great fit. So I kept having these conversations. I had already been involved to a large degree in my town. So I had some experience. But I spent the next few months having any conversation, I could have learning things I didn't know. And that led me to where I am today. And I'm very excited for the campaign trail ahead.

And New Hampshire has a very large house. Does it not? Like 400 seats? For such a small state, what are they doing there? Yeah, so that does surprise a lot of people. And it is also the, they get paid the least of any state legislature in America. They get paid $100 a year or $200 a term, which is very low. none of us are in it for the money. And I think that's a good thing because you get a lot of people

volunteering. You get the every man. For example, if you look at the current 10 of Derry's delegation, we have a carpenter, we have an MIT economist, we have a retired pilot, we have a firefighter, we have a writer, we have such a diverse group. I mean, just from Derry and throughout the state, that's the coolest thing that you get that diverse. group of thought. And finally, tell me about the Libertarian project. So that would be the Free State project. So it's very decisive, very divisive here in the state.

I mean, I'm friends with a lot of people that are in it. I consider myself to be a Liberty Republican myself. If people think the way I do, I mean, I don't care if they're from New Hampshire or not, as long as they think like me, as long as they're trying to advance that Liberty mindset in the state, House, then I consider them an out-by. Are you going to be the youngest state representatives, or have there been other 18-year-olds? There's usually an 18-year-old every term. This current term, that would be James Tebow from Franklin.

He's a good friend of mine. The term before that would have been Valerie MacDonald from Salem. I certainly could be the youngest if I am elected this term. We do have a lot of young people running this year. We have a father-son duo in Hudson, Tom and Ted Trost running. There's another young person in Derry, a Marine, who's I think 25 or 26 named Michael Appleton. I'm very excited to be teaming up with him. Christian Danforth out of Loudon.

I've been told that someone in the neighboring town of Hampstead is running who's a young person. Matt Brooks from Sandown. We have a big group of young Republicans that are running for the state works this year. That is terrific. Well, Anthony, best of luck. When is the election? So the Republican primary is September 8th. That'll, of course, be at Pinkerton Academy and Derry.

We are the largest polling place in America. And you get to vote for 10. I hope to be one of the 10 that is moving on to the general. I hope so as well. Good luck, Anthony. Talk to you soon. Thank you. Wow.

I know a great story, right? Well, he's been at this for a long time, which I find so fascinating. And I want to believe, you know, it's, of course, hard to know when you're 12 years old exactly what's motivating you and what these experiences are coming from, where they're generated from. But I want to believe this is a response to COVID because that would be good. I keep saying I want eight to 15-year-olds from that era.

They're now, what, you know, 15 to 25-year-olds to be pissed and to want to do something about it. So they should be. All right. Coming up next, our friend Dr. Stephanie Ben Watson comes in. She, of course, is the brains behind Fatty 15, the longevity nutrient. She has a book as well. We will get into that.

And she has some new information about one of the key benefits, which is preventing ferroptosis. Again, the oxidative stress on our cells, particularly in this case, our cell membranes, is part of the aging process. And it is why I take fatty 15 every day. might tell Susan to take it as well. So back with Dr. Stephanie Vid Watson after this. Hey, Dr. Drew here, and we are interested in health and longevity. And the longevity nutrient is Fat 815, discovered amazingly by a veterinarian who was responsible for the Navy's fleet of dolphins. Turns out dolphins are healthier when they have adequate amounts of pentadecinoic acid,

which is C-15. It also, for us, it helps humans as well, reduces the oxidative stress on our cell membranes, which is part of the aging process. called ferruposis. So she takes it. I take. The whole family takes it. And if you'd like some, go to Dr. Drew.com slash fatty 15 for yours. There are discounts there. Oh my God. Look, Drew, it's a dolphin. Oh my gosh. Hey, Dr. Drew here. And even when we travel, we bring the new convenient fatty gummies. They're delicious and they're portable and they're great. And remember, this is a longevity ingredient. It fights against the oxidated stress on our cell membranes. We called that process for optosis, discovered in dolphin research by Dr. Van Watson.

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So I was still always trying to figure out how I learned about you. And I'm pretty sure it was your TED talk where you chronicled the beginning of all this. And I was like, oh, that is she is on to something. I could tell. You were on it from the earliest days, Dr. Jiro. So it's been wonderful being on this journey, having you along with you and Susan, along with us, as the science has continued and with exciting new science, we'll talk about today.

Yeah, let's get into the, one of the things I've been, we have not emphasized in our conversations together is why the notion of an odd chain saturated fatty acid is an important distinction to make. And then just because I want to make sure we spell that out, and then get us into some of the newer findings on ferreptosis. Yeah, absolutely. So C-15, when we talk about this, right, is a fatty acid.

And as you shared, it's an odd chain saturated fatty acid. When we talk about fatty acids, a lot of the times, for a long time, we've talked about these polyunsaturated fatty acids, which are like omega-3. And then we have this other camp, right, which are the saturated fat, which we've been taught since the late 1970s are all bad and that we should decrease our intake of all types of food containing saturated fats, especially dairy fat. So what we now know unequivocally, thanks to lots of papers, over 150 peer-reviewed papers, is that, Dr. Drew, as you pointed out, there's actually a very distinct difference between odd

versus even chain saturated fats. And odd means there's an odd number of carbons in it, C-15, C-17. It ends up that C-15 is this Goldilocks, odd-chain fatty acid that has these direct benefits that, as you had mentioned, it decreases lipid proxidation. It activates these things called like AMPK and AKT that helps with metabolism. And in these large prospective cohort studies, as recently as this year, showing that for every 0.1% increase in C-15, our risk of developing type 2 diabetes, the associated risk, goes down by a whopping 32%. If you look at even chain saturated fats, like, yeah, right? And so if you look at even chain saturated fats, like C-16, C-18, it's the opposite.

The exact same paper show higher levels of these even-chained saturated fats, higher risk of type 2 diabetes heart disease. So we didn't get it completely wrong. Where was that done? Where were those studies done? This was a large prospective cohort meta-analysis. So as you know, it's even stronger where you combine, you follow tens of thousands of people over decades. This is from Schaefer at all. And I'll have to look at which paper was, or which journal it was.

But Schaefer at all, there's a separate one on cardiovascular disease by she at all, showing the exact same outcome for cardiovascular disease. One of the things I was thinking about, well, the ads were running, about the gummies, is that I don't emphasize kids and the gummies. And I know that's one of the reasons you develop that. where are we with supplementing young people, adolescents, children, and I know there was some work around non-acolic fatty liver disease as it pertains to supplementing? That's right. So when we talk about this discovery, you know, which we made, you know, we've talked about on your show, you know, it was discovered with when caring for older dolphins, this fatty

acid is truly emerging as an essential fatty acid, which means it's a nutrient that our bodies must have in order to maintain our baseline physiological health. But since our bodies can't make enough of it, it means we have to get certain amounts from our food. Now, if it's really essential, this means it should count from the moment we're born. Excitedly, there are many studies, completely independent groups, Dr. Drew, who are now focusing on the earliest stages of life and showing that, for example, following mother-child, infant pairs from when mom is pregnant to when she has her baby until the child, the child,

being three to five years old, showing that the more C-15 mom gets from her diet, the higher her C-15 levels, the better that baby's body growth and brain development all the way to three to six years old showing that they have better cognitive development, the more C-15 they have. Other studies showing, as you had pointed out, the higher the C-15, the lower associated fat in the liver. We have fatty liver disease, non-alcoholic form, which showed up in the 1980s, the first cases from Mayo Clinic in the 1980s showed up. It's now present, what's now called mazzled. It went through a rebranding of fatty liver disease.

Now impacts 38% of globally, including 14% of children. So I'm very fascinated by the infant, pregnant women, early childhood development. I mean, I don't have a fully clear thought here, except that we need to be paying attention to this clearly because our diets are deficient in this, particularly in this country. And if what you're saying is accurate, even, let's say, an order of magnitude less powerful

than what you describe, it's still critically important. And so I guess one of the question would be is anyone doing research on pregnant women to formalize the recommendation for pregnant women? And is it present in breast milk if you supplement? Yeah, great, great questions. And so these studies have been done.

They've been prospective cohort studies following women based upon the C-15 that they've eaten. Those papers have, in the abject, a call to action, saying that we really need to understand and pay attention to C-15 for a large part because of exactly what you called out, which is it is in breast milk. And so the amount of C-15 in breast milk is directly dictated by how much C-15 mom eats. So if mom is vegan or mom does not eat a lot of whole-fat dairy products, her C-15 levels, right now the average C-15 levels in breast milk are about half of what they were 30 years ago.

So we have babies being born into a C-15 deficient world. We're just understanding now what that means in animal studies that really the only place where you can do work on neonates showing that neonates if they're deprived of C-15 don't grow well. If you give them C-15 back, normal development is restored. So like you said, even if it's a fraction of what we think we're seeing, it's critical. Well, it's a headline. It's a headline. And I, please, please, when you, we have to kind of emphasize that, it seems to me. I don't know.

It should be, the obstetrical community should be very interested in it as humbly. But let's go back to ferropotosis. I'm not sure we really chronicled some of the new stuff. What's new out there? Right. So when we talk about, you know, deficiency and it's classically like you look at children and infants, and that's where the omega-3 and omega-6 were identified were these infant studies. Interestingly, we're now seeing evidence of, you know,

nutritional C-15 deficiencies in older children and adults all the way through through our oldest years and that's manifesting itself as a entirely new form of cell death that was discovered by researchers at Columbia University back in 2012 they found a new way you know would we went to cell biology class we learned there are three ways that our cells die apoptosis necrosis and atophagy they identified a fourth way a whole new way that our cells were dying They found that it was caused by fragile fatty acids in the cell membrane leading to this lipid proxidation and iron overload, this, what they were calling ferroposis, which is discovered in 2012. Since then, Dr. Jury, there have been over 20,000 peer-reviewed papers on pheroposis showing that this iron can seed, our liver, our brain, our pancreas, our hearts.

And now what we're understanding, thanks to dolphins, which we're getting the same syndrome, that it's being caused by C-15 deficiency. The evidence is supporting that. And restoring C-15 levels gets us back on track. From physicians, I've been giving this talk to at medical conferences this year and introducing a paper that was a consensus statement that was published in nature in 2023. And they named a disease metabolic hyperthertonemia. This is the clinical presentation of fereptosis in humans. Present in as many as one in ten people and there's this call to action of why do so many people have this condition? It's exactly what we found in dolphins, which gives us great hope that, you know, a big part of this could be due to C-15 deficiencies.

This is fixable. Name it again. What are they calling it? Metabolic. Metabolic hyperferitonemia. Metabolic hyperferitonemia. It sounds like. low circulating iron due to metabolic deficiency or something.

Did they know what they were talking about? Yeah, it was, you know, it was driven by physicians around the world are having patients come in with this presentation where they have high ferretin. And to your point, they could have low circulating iron, but that iron is being deposited in the tissues. So they're getting iron overload in the tissues, causing high ferretin. And the definition is this high ferdin combined with the presence of fatty liver disease, type 2 diabetes, or combinations of different types of metabolites. So you put those two together, it's exactly if you could put right on top of each other, we published a paper in 2012 showing this path of physiology in dolphins. And it was the exact same condition of what we're seeing, which is, you know, in dolphin C-15 deficiency.

So one of the things we had talked about last time you swung by to give us an update was the possibility of higher dosing of C-15. Is that still something you guys are contemplating? I occasionally slipped two into my supplement pile. Just because my instinct is I need more. More is certainly not worse with this supplement. You know what I mean? Because it doesn't hurt anything. Yeah.

It's so, I mean, the levels we're talking about are the levels that we should naturally get from food that babies get from birth. So 100 to 300 milligrams per day. We're understanding this is the essential amount our bodies need. So the first step is let's not be deficient, right? So that's step one. The next is really exciting research on the longevity side showing that, for example, in Sardinia, right, in this blue longevity zone, while we typically have levels around 0.2. percent of C-15, they've got levels of 0.4 to 0.6 percent, lower risk of heart disease, which is why they're living longer. So there's evidence, along with these papers I just

shared, the higher the C-15, the lower the risk of type T diabetes heart disease, that if we can push to these higher levels, which is more toward that, you know, 200 to 300 milligrams per day, we can get ourselves into that longevity zone. Okay. I was doing it on the DL. Now I'm going to do it with intent. So that's my new dose. Dr. Van Watson, is there anything further you wanted to bring to us today? Do we run the cycle? Wait, Susan's got something.

I think so. Maybe not. I don't know. You can yell it across. I'll repeat it. For Susan. Oh, there you are. You're on.

Well, I'm going to take two. Yeah. And with the gummies. You're already signed stuff. I don't even. I'm telling. you, here's my interpretation, you tell me if I'm getting it correctly. So we're not quite there where we're formally making the recommendation yet, but we are, you're interested

in getting into the longevity zone, two a day is a reasonable thing. I'm going to do that. You can do it too. That about right? I do, yeah, I do one capsule in the morning and then I do two gummies later in the day because it's a treat. They're so delicious. The gummies. That's how I get my. There you go. Take when we travel. Yeah, we do. We've got the guys around. All right.

Well, listen, you have changed my behavior. Oh, no. I've never heard your social media site. Do we refer to anything for you other than the Fatty 15? I'm so out of touch, Dr. Drew. I'm on LinkedIn, so you can find me there. Is that like old school or what? But otherwise, Fatty 15.

And all the science, everything, all this new science that's coming out, an average of one new paper per week on C15 is being published. We try to keep up to date there at Discoverc15.coms where all the sciences. So if you want to nerd out, folks, you can head there. All right, discoverc15.com. You're, you're, I still take a, I still think DHA is a good idea myself. So, yeah. Yeah. I think they go, you know, they go, you know, they go to.

together, right? They complement each other. Yeah, I agree. They're a little different, but they don't hurt each other. They don't interact with each other, meaningful, an adverse way. I try to take higher dose of DHA because it's good for the brain. So that's my thing. Your regimen seems to be working, both for Dr. Drew and for you, Susan. So far, so, so good.

It mostly works for Susan. All right. Dr. Seventy Ben Watson. It is, what's that? Less rusty. Oh, yeah, she, she, Susan, swear she has, no, no, no, she insists she has anti-inflammatory effect from it,

that she gets, you know, more sort of, really a soft tissue joint complaints when she's off it, and she'll start complaining about it. Yeah, it's been shown to. She's AB tested. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, it's been, it's been shown to lower over 18 pro-inflammatory cytokine.

So not a surprise to hear and really pushing when we get here a lot of these stories, really pushing for clinical trials to be able to play it out, understand dosing which populations and things like that. That'd be amazing. Old lady. All right. Stephanie, we'll see you soon. Thank you so much for me here. Great. Thanks, Dr. Drew.

Bye, Susan. Bye. Bye. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, Susan's going to create more videos with dolphins. Generally organized around humiliating me.

We can't hear Susan, by the way. We can't hear you yet. My glass. They're so wonky right now. There you are. Yep. And you're going to have me interact with them, apparently. My new ad.

Why did you just do it with AI? It looks pretty real. People will think my AI is real and then, you know, I got to mix them up. I don't even know, honestly, that ad. I don't even know if that ad is AI. I think he just animated that. That didn't look like he used AI for it. But Susan learned AI.

Oh, no. The first one was Chad. He did it. But I learned how to make a dolphin on grok. I know. It was so. easy. You're going to be seeing more dolphins. Yeah. And I did add more data centers. Running out of water because Susan has to animate a dolphin. Yeah. She she was,

500 bucks on that. She was deep in it. This is how, this is how AI. People don't like AI. So my so it takes jobs away from people. Okay. Again, Dr. I didn't fully flesh out the intro of Dr. Van Watson, but she, of course, is the veterinary epidemiologist, U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, and she was, she sketched out for you there how she came upon the C-15 with dolphins, but it was with the Navy's fleet of dolphins in conjunction with the Navy that this all came about. And they've been very supportive, and this has been a really, I just think is a tremendous, so grateful to be working with that with Dr. Van Watson and her husband is an orthopedic surgeon and the Fatty 15 project. It's just, just been, I just, it's been a pleasure. And,

I believe it's enhancing my longevity. At least it's doing what I, doing everything I can do. And I'm going to add a little more in myself right now, every day. Susan, anything else on your mind? Oh, there's the, here. This is, now, Emily Barsh spelled out Vbecki, many, maniche, I think I got it right. She was the physician that has been doing research. on the lots and COVID vaccine adverse events. Did you see the list, Caleb, where she listed all the different interesting things each of our guests are doing? And I don't have it in front of me right now.

Do you have it there by any chance? I don't have it right in front of me, but she, yeah, she has been giving descriptions of it. And the one for the 25th of June, I have, I have TBD on the time because I'm still not 100% sure what we landed on for that day. So it could be. What is that? That's the, that's coming up next week. Isn't that Monday?

Susan, help out here. It's tomorrow. It's tomorrow show. You're talking about tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. I think, I think Emily really wants to do noon and I will do my best to get there as close that is. Okay. In Pacific.

Perfect. Danish Childhood Vaccine Program versus out of the U.S. We're going to talk to V. V. Bake about Michael Peck, a docu-series, the lockdown dissidents. Sounds very interesting. We've got Joel Kotkin, misuse of fascism and continuing propaganda. These are great topics. Damien Eccles, West Memphis 3.

What happened there? He was from the West Memphis 3. Dr. McCullough is coming in. Frank Mittner, cool heroes for boys. Mike, the situation's coming in. I don't think it's on our list there, but he's coming in here too. And his journey of recovery has been sensational. Dr. John Gaiantis, former ACIP candidate on Children and Autum.

So a lot of interesting topics, a lot of interesting guests. We appreciate Emily Barsh's efforts and booking these wonderful guests for us. And so tomorrow I have to go run to Gutfeld. So we have to. My daughter's getting married too. And it's like, it's so great to have her because she's always there for us. Z. But she's also moving and we're going to give her feelings of love and support while she's gone.

She's moving to Florida. She's getting out of Hollywood. Yeah. Yes. Oh, Emily. She's doing it. She's doing what she's been complaining about. You were talking about Paulina and then all of a sudden,

you know, I was like, Pauline and both Caleb and I were very confused. And we can't. Oh, my goodness. It kind of moves around here. So check back with us. If you want to call,

I'm still here live. If you want to call. I know. I confuse people. I'm also looking at the restream on chat. Let me see if there's anything in there. You guys are interested in. What finished?

No, not really. I'm looking at your guys on the Rumble Rants. Okay, on the Restream, okay. Any questions in there, guys, that I should be addressing. A lot of satanic talk in the... There's a guy named the cunning linguistic who might have a question. He's been chatting the whole time. Where on the...

The Rants? What is a question. Call us. Okay. Well, we'll see if he, I don't see anybody calling you. But anyways, there's 5,000 people on Rumble. So thank you for watching. I really appreciate your support. Go to do.com slash sponsor.

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