Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Jessica Rose Finds DNA In Pfizer mRNA Vials With Fluorometry + Comedian JP Sears on UK Mandatory Digital ID – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 539

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

mRNA vaccines are not supposed to contain DNA. But Dr. Jessica Rose says a new study tested “32 vials of Pfizer and Moderna COVID products that included 16 unique lots… We did not only find DNA, we found it in ALL lots tested and most importantly, the DNA levels were all above pre-designated EMA thresholds of 10 ng/dose.” “We measured the amount of DNA in the vials using 2 methods… (qPCR and fluorometry),” she continues. “It was submitted as evidence on the congressional record by the honorable Senator Ron Johnson.” JP Sears is a comedian, author, and YouTuber known for his satirical take on politics, fitness, and faith. He hosts Awaken with JP on Rumble and YouTube. Follow at https://x.com/AwakenWithJP Dr. Jessica Rose is a Canadian researcher with a Bachelor’s in Applied Mathematics and a Master’s in Immunology from Memorial University of Newfoundland. She holds a PhD in Computational Biology from Bar Ilan University and completed postdoctoral research in Molecular Biology and Biochemistry. Find her at https://jessicasuniverse.com and follow at https://x.com/JesslovesMJK 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And we are very pleased to welcome today. J.P. Spears, you can follow him. He's, of course, an author, YouTuber, comedian. He makes fun of politics, fitness, faith. He hosts Awaken with JP on Rumble and YouTube. Follow on X is at Awaken with JP. And then our friend, Dr. Jessica Rose, if you were watching that intro tape, she obviously was in that tape with us.

Coming to give us an update on a variety of things. Of course, Jessica's a molecular biologist, biochemist, you can follow her jesskasuniverse.com also ex jesca loves mjk uh let's see anything else awaken whip is dot com is another one for j p and we're going to get into DNA contamination we're going to get into memes we're going to get into pride and digital IDs after this our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopaths start this he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous.

I'm a doctor for a second. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. But just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat.

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That's what I'm looking for. All right, JP is first up here. JP, welcome to the program. Thank you for having me. Appreciate you. So let's talk a little bit about your history. I was telling you before the mic's heated up that I, well, first of all, where can they see the show?

I don't want to leave that out. Where are you on people to go to find you and what are they going to find there? Yeah, you can find me on YouTube in Rumble. My username is Awaken with JP. And I post multiple comedy videos every week. I also have a Tuesday, weekly live stream show on Rumble Tuesdays at 1.30 p.m. So Rumble and YouTube, the best

places to find me. And if I offend you, those are the best places to avoid. Well, and the, and the, we were talking before the mics heated up about how you got going during COVID, which is, you said that business, COVID has been good for business. For me, it changed business. I just I had to do something else, thus this. But I found you, and I, remember sort of thinking, hey, that's really funny. Is he serious? This is this, is this for real? That sort of used to do a little more sort of deep on the DL comedy, it seemed like, in the beginning. Yeah. Man, yeah. As you mentioned, Dr. Drew, I hate to sound like Bill Gates, but COVID was really good for business. And much like you, it really changed my business, you know, still under the

umbrella of comedy. But the mission just changed. And I didn't know it was. because I thought, I'm still doing what I normally do. I'm calling out, you know, through the lens of comedy, using satire to call out, egotistical nature, lies, hypocrisy, corruption, double standards, gas lighting. You can call that out. You're finding that. I don't understand. I'm so kind of, how do you find out?

Where's the opportunity for comedy in this world we live in? You just put your tin foil hat on and you see it everywhere. So, yeah, during COVID, I'm just like. these people are self-contradictory moving the goalposts and then I realized okay this is a very divisive issue you find that out pretty quick in like April of 2020 but you know to me the mission is more important than comedy the mission of truth so even though I thought I might lose my audience not many people standing up with this message let alone in comedy I just knew like I have to be true to myself. I'm not, I can't betray myself and not say this or say the opposite thing.

So I just really started standing for my most important value, which is freedom. And it's really, I'll tell you, it's, it's really interesting. It's what? Go ahead. Yeah. It's very fulfilling. It's so interesting to me. Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, Dr. Greer. I'm interesting to me that, yeah, so we have a little delay here. I apologize. But it's so interesting to me, truth and freedom just come up all the time thematically for me. And if you'd asked me eight years ago, what kinds of themes are going to be in my thinking

every day, I would have talked about some biochemical stuff. I would have not thought I had to worry about my individual liberties. But here we are. And freedom of speech, I keep saying on this show, that that's the easiest one. to sort of stand up for and the one that is sort of so clearly has to be maintained or you lose all the rest. But I'm interested in your evolution and then what you think has happened to the truth. Yeah, you know, my evolution, it's, you know, really quick. It's basically realizing the truth matters and it's under assault. And how? How did you come up with that? What happened? What were you

doing. Yeah, I'm not very good at being gaslit. You know, I can read 1984 and realize this is a good fictional story. It makes a really bad non-fictional reality. So you just start seeing the 1984 playbook going out there and you realize we're living in a time where some forces see truth as the enemy. they've been trying to assassinate truth for a long time, you know, really on my radar since 2020 in a huge way. So I think that's what's happened to truth. It threatens many different agendas. It's become enemy number one of what I would just simply call evil.

And it takes good people to stand up for truth. We all have a small role to play. we're all cells in the body of humanity. And for the benefit of the body of humanity, all the cells need to do their job and stand up for truth in their own way, whether it's, hey, you're having a conversation with a neighbor and you're going to stand for truth in a respectful way, or you're a doctor, or you're a comedian. And boy, I just can't imagine how bad it would feel going to bed at night knowing, hey, I'm a

powered. I sold out. I took the easy way out. I knew I knew what I need to say, but I just don't say it. So standing up for truth is incredibly fulfilling. That's selfishly what we get out of it. And we also realize we, our children and our grandchildren, great grandchildren, the world that they're going to live in, it's largely being determined by what we do and don't do today. So it matters more than just what's in it for us. Yeah, I was speaking to a European yesterday on the show, and he said something interesting. He said, well, Europeans, we both envy you and were disgusted by you.

And I thought, well, now what is that? What is it? And I thought, oh, it's freedom. It's the level of freedom that our founding fathers went to maintain. The amount of freedom, the protections against government. And they have no such protections. And yeah, I guess there are limits to freedom, but our job is to always test them

and to test them primarily with speech and to protect them. And we live in this just extraordinary time when this is like become an important thing. And you mentioned that you would feel bad if you didn't stand up for it. I get that. You almost have to, right? I remember about a couple years ago or three years ago

people going, you're crazy, RFK Jr. said that to me. He said, you're courageous for talking to me. And I thought, courageous for a doctor to talk to a lawyer that, this doesn't feel like courage. This feels like something you just have to do. This feels like you just, it's a must and can't be otherwise. But there are people out there. This is to follow under what you just said about, you know, feeling bad if you didn't stand

up for things, were brainwashed. I think they think they're standing up to things too, but they're going the other way. So how do we, and that's sort of the problem right now. So how do we reconcile these things and make sure we're not the ones being brainwashed? Well, you know, freedom of speech starts with freedom of thinking. So I think at a core level, easier said than done, we've got to exercise our free thinking apparatus. And, you know, if you're not a free thinker, I mean, most people are brainwashed more than they even know. I know I was. When I started working up to the COVID tyranny, I'm looking at what

the little gates is, the Anthony Fauci's are saying, the authorities, realizing, okay, there's some real holes here. But what else are these same people saying? And I look at their rhetoric about climate change, this and that, and all the other things. And I realize, well, I've kind of been believing in that stuff. Then I start questioning myself, well, why do I believe it? And I realize those beliefs were not my own. It's like someone else's software was running on the hardware of my mind. And I thought I was a re-thinker. But we have to really exercise our thinking faculties. A brain is a terrible thing to waste. I think God gives it to us for a reason. And that reason is to use it. It's our own brilliant mind.

So coming to our own conclusions by understanding what we think, why we think it really heavy on, why do I think this? And also, I think the relationship we have with our beliefs, if we can have beliefs but not believe our beliefs, we're in a good, free thinking posture. But if we have our beliefs and we automatically believe them, we never question them, We don't ask, why do I believe this? Where does this come from? We're not a free thinker.

And it takes energy to think. And I think one of the worst addictions of our time is the addiction to comfort. It is really comfortable to not spend energy thinking. So speaking of thinking, RFK Jr. posted a ex post that Caleb keeps throwing up there while you were talking. You are on, there it is this sort of, what do we call it that, a bubble gram, and you are in there, I believe. And it's interesting, you could probably just overlay comedy over it. And you'd get the similar kind of a bubble gram. But that must have been extraordinary to see that show up. Yeah, you know, I tried to send RFK an extra 500 bucks to give me a bigger red bubble. But honestly, and there was a version of that that came out last. year that what you see on the screen is the most updated version it is such an honor to be someone on there who's on there just for saying words that i think and to see like wow an

audience of eight million people that's like a that's a significant thing when you look at american podcasters video creators uh and then of course it being a sea of red it it really is distinct when you look at the mainstream media, which is just a deep blue sea. So I think what we see there, that's the evidence of how people are voting with their attention. And of course, it's just really good honor. It reminds me of 18th century America where, you know, you guys are like the militia. You're like the New Englanders going, wait a minute, wait a minute. And the royalist are the guys in control of the media and the newspapers, everything. And I could see when I look at this bubblegram, what are they called?

Bubblegrams? What are these things called? You know? Yeah, there's a good. Bubblegram seems too simple, but I would imagine that's what it's called. Something like that. Caleb, you can look that up for me. But I feel like if I, you know, did something similar in the 80, you would see something like this.

and the patriots and the revolutionaries would be marginalized and dismissed as country people and uneducated and don't know what they're talking about. They're not listening to authority. I mean, it really is the same issue all over again. Yeah, I mean, it's weird. What you're saying, history repeats itself. If you learn to look at patterns, recognize the patterns, you know, we're not in anything new. there's new colors and textures on it like yeah podcasts are new video is new but the the human condition that it's expressing they're the same old patterns and i don't know if there's a more original story of humanity of good versus evil and at the end of the day i think that's what all this is about it's evil forces are trying to obliterate truth because

evil can only live in the shadows. It can't survive under the light of truth. So it's that diagram. It's just showing you a quick snapshot of what's going on in the eternal battle of good versus evil. And it's being on what we call the good guy team, it's a good place to be right now, I think. I'd like to know also, Caleb, if we can figure out who the little bubbles are that don't have names on them. That was my first reaction. It's like the big was like that okay yeah yeah of course and then i thought well who all these other ones that make the grave but we don't put their name on there who is that i'm curious who they are or how we can figure that out um i wouldn't i'm going to say one thing about good versus evil i i worry you're of course

entitled to construct things that way to frame it that way i just worry a lot of people are doing so you're not alone obviously but as soon as you start evoking evil people can get weird on you they start imagining religious overtones to what you're saying or they start imagining that you're it's not it's not a far cry from Stalin's structure of if you're not with me you're a fascist right if you're not with me you're evil so I think I think you can skip some of that by using the word sinister there's clear and I am so clear there are sinister forces at work here Some of them may be evil, some of them may not, but there's absolutely no doubt in my mind

that there are, even if it's well-meaning people, the forces that they're bringing to bear are clearly sinister. And the same thing can be said of every time that there has been an episode of social engineering in the name of good, it has had sinister effects on the human condition and usually kills millions. Yeah.

Well, I agree with you. terminology of good versus evil is about the least nuanced way to phrase it. And also, you know, talking to the other side, someone who seems to be under the influence of sinister intentions, of course, it's not productive to say, well, you're doing the bidding of evil and I'm not. Cool. That's very divisive. So I very much agree with you. And I think especially talking to the other side, nuanced language and of course a tone of respect is so important otherwise we are creating more divide in our attempt to unify under one umbrella in my opinion and also one other one other nuance that I feel is especially important that I see a lot of I think our

mistakes since Charlie Kirk's assassination, folks on the right, just looking at, you know, people with a lot of leftist and ideology, indoctrination, saying there's no way we can get along with those people. We're too different. I think there needs to be nuance. I think it's look at those ideas. Okay. Those ideas are not compatible with our vision of life. It's people that hold the ideas. All people are savable. We can change our minds. We can be influenced and have more light and we start doing more of our thinking. So I think there is a danger, especially, you know, people are angry about the Charlie Kirk assassination. So am I. But we need to be careful and not vilify people or else we are being tricked into creating more

divide. Look at the ideology and the ideas, the sinister ones, and no, forgive my non-nuance language, that's the enemy. The people are the ones. I would say one thing. I agree with you philosophically. However, from an operational standpoint, the reason that people are attracted you is that when you are dealing with people that are brainwash and then triggered to cognitive dissonance, they're extremely unpleasant to deal with, which lends an opportunity for mockery because mockery kind of stops people in their path. I mean, I was

looking at the videos of you taking down all the pills, you know, like the women taking the Tylenol when they're pregnant. I mean, that was mockery and it makes it, it has to make everybody stopping their tracks go, oh my God, what do they do? Well, when you really take it to its logical, you know,

sort of extreme, JP is pointing this out to us. It's like, oh my God, how could they possibly? You don't have to even get into an argument. It's like the mockery breaks through. And I think if people are going to be that rigid and they're thinking mockery is a perfectly acceptable way to break through some of that stuff. Speaking of getting back to evil, what do you think of the digital ID cards? Oh, such a fan.

We all need to be, I mean, let's just be owned by a government completely. Why waste any time? Yes, give us a digital ID card, injected into us, just have our. bodies. But so scary. So scary. And I pray for the people of UK. If they accept this, I mean, no government has ever said, we went too far. Let's undo that. So, you know, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. But holy Lord, I was just reading, I think it was in the country of Vietnam. They shut down 86,000 bank accounts because people were refusing digital IDs. And now they can't eat food. So so many of them are just forced into compliance. So boy, the sovereignty, it really

matters. And I mean, what government doesn't want to do this? Luckily, I think our current administration, hopefully we're good but the next admit i mean they just want to do this and it also got me thinking where our like our great great great grandfathers when the government wanted to issue like the paper ID did they have like this backlash did they see wow this is just a first step into something worse interesting interesting you know i i i was around long ago enough that i spoke to a bunch of physician peers who were asked to accept Medicare when it came in. And they had community meetings amongst physicians. And their prediction was, this is the first step in a slippery slope and we're going to lose

control of medicine. And now here we are. And I've heard the same thing about income tax, which was supposed to be a temporary solution. Income tax, they'll never go back. Never they. And always, what I love about these historical. moments they never imagined when they would go to this place they never imagine it would get this bad it defies imagination and yet we managed to do that yeah

this 108 year long temporary income tax it's uh it's been going on for a little while it's starting to feel permanent you imagine that it's starting to feel like they don't want to take it back uh well jp i appreciate your work i appreciate you, again, using, I think mockery is too harsh a word, comedy, let's use it what it is, but I think if somebody's not a comedian and does not do comedy, mockery will suffice. So please everybody, it's all right, you can mock people for being unreasonable. And, you know, the court jester's role is to mock the ego of the king from an archetypal perspective. So honestly, mockery, it's not the most delicate way to say it, but it's a very accurate way

of saying it. And specifically what is ideally mocked is really bad ideas, different than mocking people. Now, of course, if someone self-identified with that idea, then they'll think it's about them. They'll get offended. So be it. You can't control how it's taken. But it's really all about mocking bad ideas. The problem with mocking really good ideas is it's not that funny. it you can do it but you just got unfortunately you get a lot more laughs when you're mocking really bad ideas yeah it's and the core of comedy is truth right you're back back to what we were saying about truth the opening of our conversation and if it exposes something of a truth and a silliness or a stupidness in juxtaposition with a truth there we go that's comedy it's funny

yeah you know it's like that appreciate you being here i finish go ahead oh i was just going to say you know a really good idea feeding a hungry child you're not going to derive that much funny comedy out of that but mocking digital IDs we can get some good comedy out of that which kind of is a first clue that it's a really bad idea and so tell us again what's coming up on your live show. What's coming up on my live show? That's a good question. The world changes so much week to week. So by next Tuesday, I'm not sure what we're going to be having on our plate, but I'll look forward to having extremely uneducated yet strong opinions on whatever is going on and start it next week. Our favorite. It's our favorite. There are your tour days we put up there.

Alexandria, I guess that's Virginia, New Calgary in May, Canada, is that Calgary, Alberta, and Dallas, Texas. Yeah, yep, so coming up on my website, Awakenwithjp.com, and Dr. Drew, thank you for having me. Thank you for all the amazing work you've been doing. Thank you, buddy. Hope to see again soon. JP's here, everybody. And coming up next is Jessica Rose. we're going to talk about colon cancer going up. We're talking about DNA contamination,

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Welcome back. The one and only Jessica Rose joins us again. Jessica, thank you for being here. Hey, thanks for having me back. Tough fact to follow with the JP there. I know. JP is fine. But I want to start with sort of like an update from you

because I feel like I haven't talked to you in a while. It's interesting watching the four of us with or the three of us with Joseph Freiman in the opening footage. I don't know if you saw that. Did you just happen to see that as we were rolling into? of the shia and that was a really important day for me i mean what he was presenting to us was i mean that was where the scales really fell from my eyes in terms of what was going on at the fda uh and then you've continued fighting the good fight so what is the update since then

well you know it's uh more of the same and a little bit different um we by by we i mean me and two co-authors, Kevin McKernan and David Speaker, have since published a very important paper on the subject matter of DNA impurities in the COVID shots, Moderna and Pfizer, to be specific. And it's making a lot of waves. We haven't really had it published for too long. I think it's been like two weeks now, and there are already some signs that some people, Some lurky lary's might try and get our paper retracted. So that basically means that we're over some important target in my eyes.

And yeah, I mean, there's a lot, like J.P. said, who knows what's going to be going on next week in the world. But in the world of the research of these shots, I mean, it's. It's not just our paper revealing that every single study associated with these things is basically backing up what most of us have been saying for years now. Like there's really nothing safe and or effective about these products, and they need to be recalled. The platform itself needs to be recalled. If you want me to go into a little bit of detail as to the, you know, what we found in the paper,

I can explain a little bit why I believe that. I'm looking at the paper. It's in front of me. Give me a couple of, I need some sort of details on what's happening here. The journal was, was it autoimmunity? Was that the journal? Yes. Yes.

And by the way, this was the sixth. This was the sixth journal that we had to go through eventual peer review process with. We submitted to many more before this. And, you know, it was, my point is it was very hard to get to publication because there's a lot of pushback and a lot of funnels don't want to be affiliated with this kind of data. And is it, would they say that out loud or would they start to push on the, you know, the content of the paper? No, no. It's never said out loud. It's just, you know, I don't.

know who knows what another person's reasons for doing something is but anything that's going to go against a quote unquote narrative that's been dictated for years that might put a pharmaceutical company in question mark land is you know it's going to be harder to publish that paper and this is what everybody's finding it seems like but they are starting to leak into the into the publish world. The, you know, I don't know if you're aware, I was reading Sasha Latapova's substack or something,

there was some email blast or something this morning, and they're about to publish a hit piece on her. And it's interesting, she published the letter that she sent out in response to their initial inquiry and that when they were doing their investigative process, let's say, for this article.

And she points out, like, place after, you know, point after point where they're not just substandard journalism, but actually breaking the law and the intent of the law. And I just thought to myself when I first read this, I thought, you're going to take on a brilliant woman like this who just happens to have a different opinion than you. So you have to go after her for some reason. And I'm hoping that she really, she's laid out certainly a case for legal action. and I hope she takes it if it's in any way harmful to her because these people, that's the only choice we have. These people are clearly intending to harm. And they're not interested in what is normative scientific discourse.

Yeah, well, in the case of our paper, one of the things that I think is prompting a lot of people to troll us and to threaten us and to make sure that the least number of people, especially the policymakers as possible, actually read this paper, is because it actually demonstrates fraud. So we actually found that when we tested 32 files,

16 lots of Moderna and Pfizer COVID shots, that every single one had DNA in it. And I don't know if you remember, well, of course you remember, because actually it's still written on the CDC website, that, in bold writing, you can go look this up now, that DNA is not an issue, integration is not an issue with the nucleoside modified shots because, you know, it's MRNA and it's not going to be a problem.

But that's not true in the first place because there's a published paper that demonstrates that this nucleoside modified MRNA can reverse transcribe via line one, and then integration could be an issue. However, what our paper shows is that there's DNA there in the first place, and this comes from production, the production methods, and the fact that the final product of the production method, which was an upscaling technology where they used plasmids and ecoli bacteria, which I can explain, wasn't thoroughly cleaned at the end. They probably didn't have the right DNAs, these enzymes that break up the DNA at the end of the production process. Thus, the final product, which was the nucleoside modified MRNA, which was meant to be packaged cleanly in these lipid nanoparticles, was also full of DNA. This is a big problem. Yeah, I get that.

And I remember nine months ago, I don't know if it was you that alerted me, but somebody alerted me that this was a probability. And I remember somebody saying that maybe Sasha again, I think that's why I brought her name up, that some amount of DNA residua, plasma residual was actually

allowed in the manufacturing process. And my, is A, am I getting that correct? And B, how did they determine what a safe amount is? So there is an EMA threshold. There are thresholds as to the limit of a, so

called safe amount of DNA as per, say, biologic production, like vaccine production. But that's based on naked DNA. It's not based on this new technology, this lipid nanoparticle encapsulation technology. So if you ask me, I mean, because these lipid nanoparticles are so efficient, they traffic everywhere in the body, they bioaccumulate, we already know this from pharmacokinetic studies, they're very efficient at getting whatever they're carrying into cells. I mean, this is its modus operandi. So no amount, no amount of DNA that's foreign,

especially the type that we found, aka SV40, is safe. So these thresholds are already too high. And just so that everybody knows, if you don't read the paper, I'll just tell you now, that the levels of DNA, that we detected, for the most part, we're all above this threshold that's already too hot. So it begs the question, what's happening when you have these lipid nanoparticle encapsulated foreign DNA fragments delivered in the billions to the inside of a cell? Because we know also from published literature that this can induce this sea gas sting pathway, which is a cancer pathway. So, I mean, we don't even need integration.

We don't need to speak on integration, according to the CDC's website. That's the only problem. We can just talk about cytosolic introduction of foreign DNA fragments. And this SB 40 thing is problematic. It's not the simian virus 40 itself, by the way. It's the promoter enhancer. We don't know why it's there. wasn't declared as part of the plasmid that was disclosed in an EMA document.

So it was effectively hidden by the manufacturer, which is Pfizer, and it has all sorts of functional roles. It's used in gene therapy to traffic things to the nuclei of cells. It's a nuclear localization sequence. It binds P53, the guardian of the genome. This is a tumor suppressor gene. And with it being, think of it this way. If you have any kind of molecule that's essential to suppressing the formation of tumors in the human body, and then you bombard it with a bunch of stuff, another molecule that binds it,

naturally. I mean, the best scenario is that nothing's going to happen, but that's highly unlikely. What's probably going to happen is you're going to mess up the role of that essential gene and its function. And if you heard what I just said, its function is a tumor suppressor. So it begs the question, is this why we're seeing so many increases in cancers and aggressive cancers and fast-forming cancers and cancers in young people. I mean, I'm not saying it's the only reason we're seeing it, but is it making the problem worse? And if you ask me, it's 100% yes, that it's making the problem worse, because I don't

see how it wouldn't. Back to the sea gas activation. I remember Christy Grace was ringing the bell on that maybe a year ago. So it's something I've had my ear to the ground about for quite some time. And then you must be aware that there was recently, I see Dr. Sun Chong here, he is concerned about the same thing for different reasons. He's worried about suppression of natural killer function,

which we can talk about in a section. But I'm sure you're aware that there was a, I believe it was a colon cancer that was the DNA was sequenced and there was the plasmid within the DNA of that. colon cancer. Yep. That was Kevin. And it's very concerning.

And it prompts, in my opinion, I mean, if I was head of some kind of public policy agency, I would immediately start sequencing tumors in people who'd had multiple shots. I mean, it seems like an natural thing to do for our species, because this is a species level problem because of the number of people that were injected. So, yeah, it's wild. And on the subject matter of Dr. Xiong, sorry, yeah, I did write a little piece on this. I just decided once I saw him make this ex post about the 8, 9, and 10-year-olds with colon cancer and saying that that was the first time in his career, he had a 13-year-old in his clinic die of metastatic pancreatic cancer.

I looked at VERS, and naturally, I wanted to do a comparison between pre-COVID and post-COVID scenarios. So I counted all the colon cancer reports in VERS from 2018 to 2020 for all vaccines combined, and I counted the number of colon cancer reports in VERS for 2021 to 2023. This is just a reflection, by the way. VERS is like leaves rustling in the wind, but it's a signal. It's a pharmacovigilance tool designed to do this. And I found that there was an 8,300, if that's even a thing, percent increase in colon cancer reports between these two timeframes. And the proportional reporting ratio, which is one of the ways that you use VERS to detect an associations so that you can do a subsequent causality assessment, of which if it's over one or two, depending on your limit,

you have a definitive association and possibly a causal effect. So the PRR in this case is 11.5. So it's way, way, way, way higher than it would need to be in order to prompt an immediate investigation into what this signal is telling us. I mean, like I said, that's what VERS is for. So, hello.

hello there so what do you i have i have a couple other sort of things that have been on my mind i want to get your opinion about but i do first want to drill into whether or not you think there's anything in dr sun shong's theory about natural killer suppression he's mostly focused on COVID. His sort of notion is that COVID itself was sort of an AIDS-like virus killing a particular T-cell line. I would argue that the pathogenic component of all COVID reactions are the spike protein. Therefore, you'd have to guess perhaps the vaccine does the same thing. But what are you feeling about the natural killer theory? Yeah, it's a really interesting hypothesis. I mean, for people who don't know, natural killer cells are really important. Everybody talks about T cells and B cells.

So natural killer cells are like, I think of them kind of like the T cells of the innate immune system. So they're very, very potent and they rush to the rescue or to a fight when your body's introduced to a foreign antigen or pathogen immediately. So they're really, really, really important. And people who have NK cell deficiencies can be, they can have a plethora of different kinds of diseases and conditions. So it's an interesting hypothesis. I would have to look deeper into it, but I cannot say that it doesn't make sense because on the evades like, you know, the vaccine acquired induced, you know, deficiency syndrome idea, this makes a lot of sense when you look at the pharmacovigilance data,

when you look at mortality rates going up across the board, when you look at the immunological deficiencies and the way that if you have, say, a latent viral infection, like a herpes infection that was suppressed, these shots, especially if you take two or three of them, seem to push those latent viruses into action. So there's either, what I think is that the effectors that were keeping, these latent viruses at bay or suppressed, the immunological suppression itself, the regulation, it gets dysregulated. So this is all coming from an immunological basis.

So to theorize that NK cells are involved is a good idea. It needs to be further explored, like all of these subject matters, if you ask me. Of course, right. that's it like science as we did it in 2019 and for the 300 years prior you would have looked into all this you would have just you would ask questions and you would have challenged one another to ask those questions and and debated each other's findings now it's just un i never ever would have imagined this where you just are locked out of discourse and you have to name people you know give people vilify people or having an opinion different than your own. It's just the weirdest, weirdest thing. And science can't be done with it.

Science has to be done with in good face discussions. You mentioned making sense several times there in your description of the NK hypothesis. Here's what would make sense to me as it pertains to the vaccine generally, that we come up with a vaccine that does not produce specifically the pathogenic limb of the protein. What the hell?

The pathogenic ligand is the spike protein. It's what damages at least the endothelium, if not the natural killer cells. And it is the pathogenic part. I understand, I keep saying this, okay, in an emergency, that was your target. I get it. Alpha and Delta was a different illness than Omicron.

Okay, I understand. You can discreet me that. Okay. But I'm willing to, I'm willing to, concede that. And it's going, okay, that was Alpha Delta. That was an emergency. You had a target there. You went for it. I get it. Now what the hell are you doing? Now let's get the nuclear capsid or the whole virus or something. Why in the world would you continue to produce or insist that people take a vaccine that produces the pathogenic component? It makes no sense. And I mean, it begs a lot of

questions as to, I was just talking about this the other day. Like, you remember? when there was, in a small community of people at least, there was a big hoopla about why they chose the spike protein and not the nucleocapsid. It was an excellent question because, I mean, this thing is really, really toxic.

It really messes on everything. Yeah, in the human body. I mean, it's besides being a foreign protein that's manufactured by your own cells at infinitum, apparently, it's really toxic. It

messes up the zeta potential between red blood cells this is published by the way which means that your red blood cells get sticky which is probably one of the big reasons why we're seeing a lot of clotting issues and microclotting issues so yeah it's it's a huge it's a huge question mark hey and it it does kind of make you wonder considering the fact that it was manufactured and we have the fingerprints associated with that in terms of how it was put together and how it was made um why like what were you guys trying to do i really i really really would love to be a fly on the wall of those meetings i i would like to know because you know better than anyone there's a huge community of people in the world who think that they're trying they quote

unquote are trying to kill everyone and uh i'm i'm more on the side of um things evolving from ignorance and stupidity because there's a lot of that going around as well. Hubris as well. I mean, the fact that some people think and and profit from and promote gain of function research with virulent viruses, this is insanity. The fact that we're tinkering with genes itself is something that we really need to be careful about doing. I mean, gene therapy is, it's here. It's not on the horizon. It's here. We have all the tools to do this. Exquisitely borrowed from nature, by the way, of course.

Nature has all the best ideas, which is why we shouldn't mess with her. But the problem, it's not even the biotech tools. It's not the development of technology. It's the abuse of these things. That's the problem and the ab the obscuration of the truth uh the data you know not showing the public because obviously we're too dumb to understand you know what is actually going on behind the scenes that inevitably is going to affect us all it's it's criminal i mean it would have been considered outright criminal uh you know i don't know how many years ago but uh It seems like things might change. Yeah, or it's sort of overwhelmed the system in some crazy way.

Let me ask you this. What, when you look back, we haven't really done this, sort of look back at things. And I wonder, you know, how things look to you in 2019 and which, you know, what you imagine 2025 would be like, how has that changed? What was your life lack and your view of science like then? And how has that changed now? Oh, it's hardly comparable. I mean, I was at the end of my second postdoc.

You know, I was about to embark on a surfing journey of a lifetime, which I didn't get to go on because they declared a pandemic. You know, I had no problem with vaccines. I never saw the vaccine industry as the, looming monster that I do now because I didn't know, because I didn't study up on that. I had never experienced so much of the things that I've experienced in the last five years prior to that. And that is online attacks, having my work withdrawn, retracted. I mean, I don't think people understand how horrible that is for an act.

Like to have a retraction on your record is very, very, very serious because a retraction is supposed to be about getting something out of the academic eye market so that people can't read your work because you did something really bad, like plagiarize or make up data or do something, you know, criminal in the eyes of publishing and academics. So this is a serious thing. And it's not, it's really not just me. It's a lot of people, very serious people, who've had this happen to them, or having it happen to them right now, the threat of withdrawal or retraction of scientific works retroactively. I mean, did you wrote in France?

He is so, he's such a prominent figure in his field. He's famous. He's infamous as a genius researcher. And he's suffered from this as well. They're going after things he published like 20 years ago, I believe. It's insane. So my take on everything is I'm exactly who I was effectively. But I'd just like to go back to what you and J.P.

We're saying about, it was what J.P. was saying about peeling the onion of yourself. and kind of, you know, curing your own brainwashing condition, because I think he's right. I think we're all kind of brainwashed and indoctrinated in a way. And it's all, it's up to only us to face that. And you have to face it if you're going to live an honest life. It's really uncomfortable, but it's not uncomfortable for very long. You just have to sit with the discomfort for a while until you kind of evolve yourself to a new place.

So that's, you know, it's a mixed blessing. I mean, it's brought me to who I am today, which I think is a better version of myself, Jessica 10.0 or whatever it is. And, yeah, I mean, just going back to JP again, man. I'm a huge fan. Humor is the height of intelligence. and I'm very grateful for people like him and him in particular because what a lot of people actually tell me, even though I'm a biologist,

is that they like my humor and I lighten their day sometimes. And that means a lot to me. And laughter and levity is definitely going to be necessary in the coming years because I don't think we've seen anything yet. You know? Oh, God, I hope you're wrong. I hope it's all humor. Oh, jeez.

Has pharma been pushing back on your paper at all? Have they had a rebuttal? No, not that I am aware of yet. I don't think that they have much to say. I mean, I dare say it would kind of, you know, they're kind of thinking the same kind of way that they were thinking when they were on the hot seat at the ASIP meetings. I mean, I didn't see them.

any solid or meaty responses to any of the direct questions because I don't think that they have the answers. I mean, if you asked Pfizer directly how come you didn't

disclose the SV40 component in your plasmid to the MA? Were you unaware that it was there? And if you weren't aware, how could you not have been aware? And if you were aware, why is it there?

Didn't you know about the pending, let's put it mildly, complications associated with a potential for that being a contaminant in the final product? I mean, we have to ask these questions. We have to not throw away the precautionary principle

when we're doing things like the things that we're doing, which is affecting potentially the genome. there's a strange need for a bioethical retrospective on what has happened here I just don't really hear yeah I don't hear anybody except Aaron Kariotti talking about bioethics and you know people respond in varying ways to him but he's he's been right straight across um yep I can just shape my head and the fact that the fact that the papers like yours are getting published gives me solace, but the fact that the attacks go on and the withdrawals of the papers

are threatened, it's just, it's truly disgusting. And my only hope is, you know, whatever you have to suffer in the meantime, that the history will look at you and your cohorts as the Galileans of our time and that everyone else should be ignominious, disgusting afterthoughts. Well, you know, not looking to be Galileo-esque, but yeah, I think that going back to the idea of laughing, I mean, I'm not saying I want to make fun of any of this, but in a way we kind of have to. And, you know, we have to face reality, if there is reality. I'm just, I'm having a little bit of experience just thinking about this because I'm I've been thinking a lot about historical, you know, publications. And I've been thinking about Cervantes a lot and about Don Quixote and its meaning in the present moment and things.

But one of the things that Galileo did, I'm wondering, I've never heard this documented, but his, what really got him in trouble, the third and final time with the Spanish Inquisition, was a dialogue amongst three, it was a published dialogue. that was supposed to address the issues of heliocentrism. And in there, he makes fun of one character. He's sort of superior intellect makes fun of the other character named Simplicio, Simpleton. And the character that's making fun of Simplicio is always going, oh, yes, you are so smart.

Yes, that is such a wonderful idea. How did you become so enlightened? The problem is the opinions that Simplicio was suggesting were the popes. And so I wonder if he was making fun of the pope and really got his ass on a sling. But we're a little too far. So what I'm saying is that's a long-winded way of me saying, be careful. Don't go too far with humor. Well, yeah.

You know, I think that it's, we shouldn't be afraid. I think that's my message. No one should be afraid to, first of all, to tell the truth. Telling the truth with a joke or with humor, the way that J.P. does is brilliant. Because it's relatable. It makes people feel good. And, you know, it's actually, to me, it's one of those things that the evil among us really hate. And I kind of, I find that ironic and amusing at the same time.

And sometimes I think that, you know, there are actually very few, like, real evil people among us. And a lot of people have just lost away. So it's possible. social ill social ill is always done in the name of good and how people are brushed enough to do all that that's the that's the sinister part that they get themselves brainwashed so well anyway listen jessica i've got to kind of wrap things up it's always a privilege to talk to you it's always enlightening and i appreciate your courage and your intellect and you're willing and your scientific not just rigor but integrity yeah yeah well you deserve it um and uh what you shall we look for next and where shall we look for it for you from you uh well just pay attention to my jessica r dot subsec.com blog uh i'm going to be i just submitted another paper a white paper uh for um for publication uh i'm um yeah that's about it i mean you know i'm on Twitter too if you want to see me

rant a little bit more than I do on my on my blog but just an interesting tidbit before we go. Did you know the Dexter is the opposite of Sinisterre? And these are the Latin words for left and right.

Hello? It looks like Drew's losing his internet connection. There he is. Oh, I thought it was he was her. I know. There we are. I'm back. I'm back. I don't know what happened or why, but Dexter, tell me. Yeah, Dexter and Sinister are the opposites. One means left, one means right in Latin.

So I remember my mom was always telling me this when I was young because I'm left-handed. And she was a linguist. And so she was really interested in etymology. So she'd always remind me that, you know, this means I'm sinister. And I'm like, no, it doesn't. It means I write with my left hand. So the real question, though, is, you a true lefty or a just sort of adaptive lefty. So do you write like this with your left hand?

You're a straight, yeah, you're a real true lefty. So right dominant left. Yeah, right dominant, left handed, real deal stuff. Yeah. Well, explain something. Sinister. There you go. So in any event, good to see you. Appreciate what you're doing. And with the, yes, left handed. Right, right brain dominant left handed. But with the, right brain dominant left handed. But with the. But with the. the internet screwing up right now. I'm going to wrap it up. So thank you, Jessica. We'll talk again very soon. Cheers. Thanks for having me. Caleb, coming up. And Caleb, I'll give you a chance to ask any questions. We went over a lot of stuff here, including, you know, publications by Galileo for the Pope.

The little royalty from the state of Florida is coming in here tomorrow. We're going to talk to the First Lady. We're going to talk to Joseph Latipo, these certain general. Our friend, Tom Wrens, come back around too. Layland Vittert on the 6th. He, of course, is over at Newsmax. Yep, newsmax. And we've got some open gates coming up there. Salty crackers back on the calendar.

For somebody I was thinking about, I was thinking about him during J.P. Spears. Because Salty does, you know, the same thing. Making fun of these people is very, very, very effective. Caleb, any anything on your, any question marks left over? Yeah, that's why I had put that up on your, screen earlier is because I'm actually starting, I've been shocked

about this for a while, but we've made 500 episodes of this show and there means that there are thousands of other people who have said all this stuff and our email address is public and we've not received one email from anybody at any of these big pharma companies just saying, hey, this part is wrong or hey, we'd like to offer this. They aren't even

trying to address any of this, which seems very odd. I don't see, wouldn't you think that if there's millions of people out there that are now doubting, one of their products that makes them billions of dollars, wouldn't they want to try and put out some sort of educational TV ad campaign or get someone to go and explain it away, unless like what Jessica was saying is they may not have the answers that we would want. They may not have the data.

They may not understand the questions. There may be too much noise out there for us to even find us. And then, not to bring Sasha's name up for the third time here, but she alerted us to the involvement of the military and the PEP Act and the DOJ, and who knows what that overlay is doing to things. That sort of scares me. Because, like, you would think. Now, don't get paranoid on me.

Don't get paranoid. Don't do it, Caleb. So back when, what's her name? I'm forgetting the woman on the mass singer judge that was on our show, Jenny McCarthy. Jenny McCarthy, you know, 10, 15 years ago when Jenny McCarthy first started being an activist, there was an enormous backlash from Pharma against what she was saying. I don't see them even trying to address any of the concerns that we've said. You know, they haven't even attempted to, it looks like.

At least not in a meaningful way. Yeah, I would argue a lot of the stuff that came down on Jenny. It's funny to me, you describe her now as a guest as a judge on the mass singer. You don't know her MTV history or anything? No, I was probably too. You know anything about that or playboy or none of that. No, no. Okay.

All right. I'm old. We used to follow a show called Singled Out that she and Chris Hardwick hosted. on MTV in 1996. So that's how Jenny hit the scene. And then I think she did a Playboy after there, maybe before that. But my sense at the time when people were coming down at her is that was more academic medicine. And the question then becomes, well, were they adulterated by pharma money because they were funding their research?

And I never had the sense. This is kind of an interesting topic, Caleb. I never had the sense that anybody from pharma ever told I think this is true ever told physicians anything they never told us what to do they never told us they held that line and yet they I'm sure they had ways of sort of persuading

and going hey did you hear that do you have anything to say about this and they probably were nudging us you know there's actually a field of an influence called nudge they probably were nudging us in ways that we weren't aware and much like the opioid crisis was perpetrated by physicians on behalf of the opioid manufacturers who never were there saying anything.

They were never saying anything. It was my profession and saying all of it and going for the regulators and going for the state medical societies. Now maybe they were the, now maybe the drug companies were the one that went, hey, Dr. Smith, you love our products. I know a guy at the California Board of Medical Quality Assurances really wants to help you sort of, sort of,

move the needle on this maybe we get that's that kind of nudging we wouldn't have been even aware of because we were busy doing our work nowadays I'm guessing that's how it happened like it feels like this is reached a next level where if I was an executive at Pfizer I would be looking at this and thinking wait this is really broken out of the box of anti-vaxxers that we were able to put people in now this is a mainstream topic being discussed they're not really like I've seen nothing that they've even pushed back with I've seen influencers push back with stuff but I haven't seen them put out anything that says, no, this isn't true. No, this is, no.

I mean, maybe they're waiting when they're called into courtrooms to give it, or maybe it adds liability if they try to explain any of this. But I would think if a product, if so many millions of people have a doubt and are building up more and more doubts in their industry as a whole, that just does it would make good marketing sense to push up ads or do something to respond to it. They aren't even trying. I'm just reviewing the New England.

Journal of Medicine just out from this publication right now to see if there's anything on any of these topics. And no, nothing like that. Well, another good show and it's been another good week that is not yet over. We're going to be in early tomorrow because

our Florida officials had to come early. It's going to be at noon, Pacific time, with Dr. Lattipo and Casey DeSantis. And that's the rest of the week and the rest of the month coming up here. We will be starting again from New York after Monday, I think.

Yep. And we appreciate you being here. Let me quickly look at the restream. See what you guys are thinking. If there's anything of your mind. Yep. Pfizer was the... Where to go?

Was the... Was the sponsor of Event 201? Makes sense. Excuse me. Somebody has to do it, Dr. Drew. I'm not sure what the It is. Ingredients of future mind control. All right.

Thank you. And then let me look at the rant. Yes, Stell Bigtree has been constantly picking away the vaccine problems for quite some time. And, you know, you have the government in there now trying to do it. And you're seeing it takes time. Everyone's very impatient. There should be, the science should be done yesterday. It's hard to do it, but it won't get done at all if the people like Jessica aren't being published.

or if their stuff is being retracted. So that is the great threat, not the speed at which it has to be done, but that it is done. And we will get to it. I've always felt like this, the medical profession, the scientific community will get to the truth.

The question is how many years and how many patterns of resistance that we're going to have to break through to get somewhere with this. I don't know. Thank you everybody for being here. We'll see you tomorrow at noontime. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation

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