Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Joseph Ladapo: Florida Surgeon General Warns of “Corrupt” US Health System, Many Doctors Blinded By “Vaccine Worship” Despite Evidence Of mRNA Adverse Reactions – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 359

Episode Date: May 19, 2024

“It’s clear that the authoritarians of the COVID-19 era still yearn for their next opportunity to take away people’s rights,” Dr. Joseph Ladapo, the Surgeon General of Florida, recently told The First. “Doctors in general are very trustworthy people, except when they’re under a spell: in this case we’re talking ‘vaccine worship’ versus just treating it like any other medicine.” Dr. Joseph Ladapo is the Surgeon General of Florida and professor at University of Florida College of Medicine. He received his MD from Harvard Medical School and a PhD in Health Policy from Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences. Dr. Ladapo worked as an associate professor of general internal medicine and a health policy researcher at UCLA David Geffen School of Medicine. He lives in Tampa, Florida with his wife and children. Follow Dr. Ladapo’s official Florida government account at https://x.com/FLSurgeonGen and read his book “Transcend Fear: A Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health” at https://amzn.to/4bmfs26 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 30% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Get the book. Author, the book is Transcend Fear, a Blueprint for Mindful Leadership in Public Health. There is the book. I suggest you check it out. It's about solutions here. Please welcome Dr. Joseph Latipo. Hey, Dr. Joseph. Hey.

Very good. Thank you. So I want you to bring us up to speed on where you are and what you have done with the mRNA vaccines and what your thinking was there. And then I'm going to sort of go a little bit deeper once you let us understand, paint the picture for where you're coming from. Sure. So in Florida now, I mean, I think it's a really very interesting story. It's very clear that despite the propaganda on television, these are extremely unpopular vaccines. Almost no one really you're

in order to get one. Now you either need to have an MD or a PhD. I mean, only the hyper intelligent are getting them now. Just, just regular normal people. None of them are getting it because in many reasons, but one of the reasons is that people definitely disagree about different medications and different, people have whole different beliefs about different medications and just about different types of information. But there actually is a lot of consensus around the belief that these vaccines, these mRNA COVID-19 products are dangerous, they're not helping people, and they're hurting people. And that's actually a bipartisan phenomenon based on some of these Rasmussen surveys, for example. So I think it's interesting that overall that's where we're at.

And in Florida, we've taken formal steps. And as the data have built, right, we saw the data with the negative effectiveness, people who taking the boosters having an increased chance of contracting COVID, according to multiple studies. We saw the data with the strokes, we saw the data with myocarditis. There have been concerns and controversy about sudden cardiac death. And we've had a measured response, if you will, as more data have come in. And at this point, most recently, these data about the contaminating DNA and no studies assessing whether having the contaminating DNA in the presence of lipid

nanoparticle introduces an extraordinary risk to, or an unusual risk to humans, I've called for a ban to their use. And that's where we are in Florida at this point. And so has Florida instituted that ban? It's, we haven't instituted a ban that prevents, you know, drug pharmacy companies from providing them. It's something that I've called for, but we haven't taken any measures at this time that are, that have more teeth to them, if you will. It's actually something that I'm exploring and a few of us are exploring because we went to medical school, we didn't go to law school, so there are other considerations. But on the clinical side, I think it's completely unequivocal. And on the legal side, we're working on some

things. So I want to sort of propose some, I want to kind of dig into this because it's a crazy time to be thinking about these things. And let's just start with Omicron itself, okay? Are people being admitted to hospitals with Omicron? What's the public health data look like generally in Florida with these people are saying JN1's coming, summer surge coming our way. Summer surge may happen, but I don't think anybody's going to be hospitalized. Do you, are you seeing anything going on

from a general trend standpoint in the state of Florida as it pertains to serious illness from Omicron? Sure, yeah. So almost all, like almost the entirety of the burden at this point, and it's probably been this way for almost a year now. Of the disease, COVID-19, it's almost entirely, unfortunately, born by people who are much older. You know, we're talking people who are at least 65. Definitely people in the 20s. Yeah. Now, yeah. So, which has really nearly always been the case. I mean, see, this is the thing that's getting my goat a little bit

lately is that people are not differentiating between alpha and delta and Omicron. Now, here's what's weird. I saw a study from China with Omicron infection in a naive population. In other words, they didn't have an alpha and delta outbreak. And it looked pretty serious. I was like, this does not fit with my clinical experience at all. There's nobody in the hospital with COVID right now. I just wondered if the data was wrong or what your thoughts might be. Is Omicron just less problematic because everyone's already had COVID? Or are these elderly folks that still bear the burden?

Most of them are pretty diligent. They knew that COVID was more dangerous to them. And a lot of them did take the vaccine or most of them, I would say. And they did take boosters. Is it that or is it previous? What are your thoughts on that? Sure. Yeah.

Well, Omicron, the data, the studies that were done, even I think Omicron, maybe it was South Africa was one of the first countries, if not the first, that implemented Omicron. And I remember looking at a study that came out of there, and it was very clear that it was less virulent. You know, it absolutely makes a difference, as you said, Dr. Drew, that so many people and, you know, pretty much almost every adult walking near has had COVID at least once. And, you know, and you raised an interesting point, which I actually suspect is also contributing. You know, my suspicion based on these data that are showing very clearly that people, number one, you know, have a, people are more likely to test positive for COVID-19 after taking the boosters. And the risk seems to be

monotonous, I think is, I'm not sure if that's the word I'm looking for, but the monotonic, that's the word I'm looking for. So as people take more of the boosters, they have, you're finding is more testing positive over time. Now, is this the Cleveland Clinic study? Is that the Cleveland Clinic study? Not only that, it's the Cleveland Clinic study. Totally, it's Cleveland Clinic. There are studies out of Qatar in the Middle East. There are studies, I think, out of Israel. And there are other studies in the United States. people may be confused because, you know, they're getting a different message.

So just to help folks understand what these studies are showing is that, you know, so the person gets the booster. And initially, maybe in those first few months, they have positive protection from infection based on the data that had been analyzed. And what's happening is that that's fading and fading and fading. And if this is the zero point of no infection, unfortunately, it fades and it goes under that point. So then people have negative effectiveness with these vaccines. And so they are actually contracting COVID at an increased rate. So both things are happening, in fact, based on the data that you're getting people who have protection. So it's not a lie when the CDC says that, but they're not telling the full truth. And the full truth is that those people eventually appear to be at increased risk.

So I think that there are immune system effects that are associated with these vaccines, Drew. And I think that that's part of what we're seeing in terms of the deaths from COVID-19 at this point. So that's interesting. And obviously, just raising that issue should cause our peers to kind of slow down until that gets sorted out, right? You'd want to know for sure what you're doing. And this is my general note on the vaccine therapies, is the risk-reward has been sidelined. Like, I could understand the risk-reward in favor of, you know, getting a vaccine out fast, taking a certain amount of risk, giving it even though they were starting to see some side effects when alpha and delta were killing people

all over the place. That made some sense to me. But once we got through that, to keep pushing with the same fierceness, particularly young people, I don't get what we're doing. Now, I'll tell you my personal practice. I have a lot of elderly patients. They were very motivated. They wanted the vaccine. We discussed the risk reward to the extent that I could understand it, which again, is part of the problem here. Data is all over the place, it seems like to me, but I did the best I could. And I'd say we probably went through three boosters in almost all of my patients. And then most of them started backing down after that, not wanting it, refusing it if it was brought up again. They're like, well, why? You know, I've had Omicron twice and it was no big deal for me.

And I've had the booster and maybe there's some risk in the booster and I don't want to take that risk. the question in my head constantly is why push so hard when there are real questions, particularly in young adults, we'll get to that in a minute. And there seems to be very limited risk of the current virus. And by the way, vaccines that are not specific to the upcoming variants that are coming our way. I mean, they keep making a case that there might be some cross-reactivity, very hand-wavy stuff, but not specific to these variants. So that's just a fact. And no problem with people, my patients, at least when they get Omicron, other than sometimes they get a little rebound from Paxlovid if I use that. And we have Paxlovid and we have monoclonal antibodies.

I'm still pissed that the public health push wasn't to help people understand what monoclonal antibodies were and how to use them if you got Alpha or Delta. No one was ever educated about that. And you guys, I noticed, tried to put mobile vans together and really get out with it. And then they took away your supply of, I think it was Bamlanivimab at the time.

And of course the monoclonal antibodies like the vaccines had to be adjusted with time. They had to, they, as the, the, they're monoclonal in a sense, they're directed at specific antigen, that specific subtypes of the virus and the virus changed. So the monoclonal antibodies had to change.

But, but I want to get, I'm all over the place with this question. The question is why the ferocity with which that's being recommended when there's question marks all over the place? Why such a fierce recommendation, even for an at-risk population? Yeah, it's so interesting because, you know, it brings up the issue of, you know, I've heard people say, oh, I can't read people's minds. And, you know, it's interesting because that's actually not entirely true. And what I mean by that is that, you know, we each have different levels of access to intuition and to insight about other people's intentions. Some people are really, really talented in that area and are very tapped in. My wife is an example of one of those people.

And some people are less tapped in. But I'm leaving medical school here just to try and communicate this in a way that's helpful to people listening. But, you know, there is more to the world and our experience than just what we can souls and um and there's a you know super consciousness that is sort of a highway if you will of of all our souls and and everything on on on earth beyond not just the things that we can touch and see well but well let me let me stop you and just say that that i i am one of the things i've seen fall out of a lot of this discourse right now is people that will only look at data and look at public literature and those of us who trust our instincts based on our clinical experience, which used to be the totality of what we did. And that's why we went to medical school to develop the, and it's been my experience throughout 40 years of medicine, that usually my clinical experience is ahead of the literature. The literature kind of catches up

in terms of developing a consensus through scientific literature. But there's this divide now, which people like you, it's not, you know, and then it's all done under the heading of evidence-based medicine. And yet it's not being done in the sort of strict style strict uh what shall i say uh i was talking to paul alexander about this yesterday the strict standards of evidence-based medicine and some studies are good and some studies are not good but we have to like the clinical experience is meaningful instinct is meaningful do you and i think that's a point you're making. Yeah, yeah.

That's definitely part of it. Absolutely. That's wisdom and, again, just even intuition. And yet, no, we can't say read someone's mind like a book, but, you know, but some people, some of us are better at it than others can read people's intentions. And so when I tap into this, if you will, in terms of your original question, Dr. Drite, you know, I think there are multiple things happening. You may have seen that recent interview by, oh, goodness, what's his name? Ashish Jha, I think, the former COVID czar with the Biden administration. And, you know, yeah, looking at this interview, it's obvious, right, that one of the things that he was doing and other people also was trying to,

you know, protect the reputation of the vaccines and even more broadly, the, you know, the vaccine program, if you will, the idea, this model of giving people these products and, you know, and having it be part of life and having it be something that can be mandated. You can't go to school. You can't do certain jobs. And, you know, that was part of it. That was part of why the Mirage was, attempts were made to preserve the Mirage. And then I think there are other factors, too. Such as?

That was a very cryptic statement. What might those other factors be? So I think that was a part of it. I think that there's some, you know, I think there is some financial motivations were a piece of it for some. Sure. Sure. Eyes are made out so well. You're going to do too. So that, that contributed also.

And, you know, I think, I think that, that just trying to, just trying to be honest here and, and really feel into what I think that. So I found it.

I think that that just right along the lines of all of the control forces that we saw during the pandemic. Oh, you have to stay home. Oh, you can't go here. Oh, you can't open your business. Oh, you know, you can't go to school. You can't do this. Can't do that that um that spirit if you will the spirit of trying to really control people and and reduce people's power and autonomy um you know the the covid19 vaccines fit well right into that

right so the centralized authority and uh and, we saw how medicine has been centralized and all these centralizing phenomenon really ill-served people, it seems to me. I'm very, very, very concerned about that. I'm shocked at how our peers behaved early in the pandemic. Go home till you're blue. That was too much for me. Plus we had, one of the funny things for me was we had an AB test with Florida and California. I mean, could have just done easily looked at the two environments and gone, okay, which is, which is better for the average person, which for our patients,

even ask it that way. Is it better that they're at work and they're thriving and they're socializing and the kids are at school or is it better that they're locked down and unable to go to school and unable to work? I mean, I think the answer is obvious. I mean, we're dealing with the psychiatric consequences here in California. It's profound.

We destroyed, as I kept saying, eight to 15-year-olds. We just ruined them. So they just, it was so easily predictable what would happen. And here we are. So how about we come up with at least some more psychiatrists in this state? Let's do that at least to respond to what we've done here.

But no, no, we're focused on other things. Like we're going to have a 50 cent tax on every year added to each gallon of gas. From now on, 50 cents added. We're not, $6 a gallon, it's not high enough here. We're going to add 50 cents to every gallon of gas from now on 50 cents added we're not we're not six dollars a gallon it's not high enough here we're going to add 50 cents to every gallon every year um i you know how is that helping people on fixed income how is that helping people i mean we have we have this crazy thing in this day where everything has to be gardened and irrigated because we live in a desert and the people that set up here didn't imagine water shortage or what they would do with all the, and there are people that, that make their livelihood and they drive from place to place. What's going to happen to them? I, anyway, I just, the dad,

the people that are doing gig economies and DoorDash and, or you're in anybody thinking about these people. This is the same thing I kept thinking about during COVID. I kept thinking, my God, the, the businesses all around Disneyland, there are hundreds of businesses there and literally probably hundreds of thousands of jobs and people's livelihoods. Nobody cared about what happened to those people. No consideration, just keep it locked down. While Disney World was open and was thriving, when you go to Florida now, you can see the difference. I was there last weekend

and it's just extraordinary how much people are, how happy everybody is down there. Call me crazy. We have an AB test, everybody. We should take a look at it. But anyway, back to the mRNA vaccines. Dr. Drew, I just want to add

that just in case there are questions, there's data to back that. There's a writer for the LA Times that likes to compare California and Florida without accounting, without adjusting for the age distribution difference. You know, Florida has a totally different age distribution. And obviously you should account for that. But if you, he's part of their editorial team. But if you account for that, and The Lancet has done this in a publication, if you only account for age, California and Florida did about the same. But if you account for other risk factors, Florida blows California out of the water. I mean, the outcomes were so much better in Florida. And there's a published

paper in the Lancet, you know, you don't hear much about, but absolutely, Florida fortunately did really well. And of course, Governor DeSantis absolutely deserves the credit. I mean, man, he took the heat for it, but he stuck with his- Well, I remember, were you there when he had that, or were you part of that symposium he held uh he had you know nobel laureates come in and present the case for and against lockdowns and he read all the literature he quoted it in his conversation with the with the scientists and then when i i don't see that i don't see where there's criteria where i can come up with a reason to defend locking down he just is just the science isn't there

and everyone on the panel went, yeah, pretty, I mean, we're not a thousand percent clear like you are, but we don't make the call, but we think that's probably correct. Do you remember that? I do. I wasn't here yet, but I watched that

and I heard about it and I think it got even pulled off, you know, silly YouTube or whatever, or Twitter. But yeah, I heard about that. I watched it. I remember I was trying to figure things out.

And I've been reliving a lot of this stuff lately, knowing I was going to speak with you. And I was thinking about the day that Governor Newsom here locked down. I was on television. I remember saying, I'm trying to find the footage. I called out the school board. I said, why are you doing it? It was a different interview.

It was when the school decided to close. And somebody from the school board came in and said, why are you doing this? Who told you to do this? What consultant? Did you have an infectious disease panel come in and say, this is what you need to do? He goes, no, it's just the right thing to do. Wow. That's how that decision was made,

number one. And then when California locked down, which was just prior to that, I remember I was also on television and I was doing a nightly local show here. And I remember going, oh, this is just not a good idea. I don't know where you're getting the criteria for this or even the model where you think this is something that somebody would do with a respiratory virus. But, okay, I guess you're planning for the worst-case scenario. I'm a good citizen. I'm going to support the governor in planning for the worst-case scenario. In my wildest dreams, I didn't imagine two years later we'd still be locked down. That never occurred to me.

And I still could defend. I can defend a lot of things early in the pandemic that I think were wrong and wrongheaded, but I still could defend it even now. I could say, you know, there was a lot of unclarity. There's a lot of debate. But what I want to talk about after the break is, you know, how do we understand why people would force a 22-year-old male to get this vaccine. I don't right now to keep getting boosted. I don't get it. One thing is for sure, the boosting is more associated with the myocarditis. The adult young males are the ones that are getting these things.

I don't know about you, but I've seen a ton of cardiac arrhythmias. I've seen some suspicious coronary lesions. I've seen a lot of stuff in young males where I go, I don't know how I can recommend this given that Omicron is having zero, zero effect on healthy males. I'm not seeing anything close to a serious illness. I saw it back in alpha and delta. Could have made the case back then, maybe. Now, I don't get it. So sit tight. I also want to read you something off Twitter that somebody sent me just to see how you respond. I don't know quite what she's talking about, but we'll get that and more. Dr. Joseph Latipo is here. Get the book. Let's put up Transcend Fear, Caleb, before we go off to our little break here. And again, there it is. And again, the people, I was just thinking

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that came across my palette. And I'm not quite sure what she's talking about. I'm not going to give her handle because I didn't ask for permission for this. But I did look at her thread and she seemed like a very, very capable peer of ours, an ER doctor. And she said, and this is what I want you to address because I don't know what she's talking about. But I'm guessing that this is not the first time you've heard this criticism. Said Dr. Latipo, unethically manufactured evidence of harm from vaccinations. And then he says, you can bet

that I won't ask about it and that we're corrupt for not talking about it. So now we'll talk about it. Let's be non-corrupt and let's address what our peers have presented to us. I don't know what she's talking about. So far, we've only talked about published literature that is available to everyone. Is there some data that you've presented that people have taken issue with?

You know, I spend my days and nights thinking about how to, I think, unethically manufacture data. So that's probably what she's talking about. And I know you to be that guy too. By the way, I know you. I knew that's you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a surprise for me.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's got me. You know, hand in the cookie you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a surprise for me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she got me. You know, hand in the cookie jar. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. But is there something, you know, people, there's this weird thing going on now where our peers and even non-peers who are scientists accuse people of lying just for presenting data. You lied.

You lied about that. Like, I remember when I first started seeing Paxlovid rebound, people were like, you're lying. It's like, no, no. My patients are having a rebound. It's a very specific syndrome. I've seen it. It's exactly seven days after Paxlovid. I'm still using plenty of Paxlovid because these are older patients with serious illness.

But lying or unethically manufacturing, what is that all about? Yeah. or unethically manufacturing? What is that all about? Yeah, I think what she's talking about is, or what she's talking about is a study that we did. It's been almost two years now where we used Florida data and we looked at the incidence of cardiac arrest, cardiac death in the third days after vaccination. So it was a public health surveillance study that we did. And in that study, we found that young men, I think 18 to 39, they had an increased, we use this, they had an increased incidence of cardiac death in the 30

days after mRNA pardon me mRNA COVID-19 vaccination compared to the compared to baseline risk and so and we reported on that you know there was a lot of attention that that got. And a lot of people got angry. And a lot of people also felt very validated by this finding that we had. So after the finding, and mind you, the study was imperfect. The public health surveillance study was imperfect. I mean, it has limitations like any like, you know, like, like any, any study and, and, you know, and they're totally limitations. People were like, you know, one of the limitations or critiques that people would cite was that we didn't review

the, we actually did have the death certificates, but we didn't do chart review to really try and parse out was the person just being coded as having a cardiac arrest or was it something else? Yeah, totally. Very reasonable. Yeah. But, and there are other critiques that people raised and there's some methodological nerdy stuff that we could have done better. And by the way, this study, I never touched the data. This study was done by epidemiologists and statisticians in the Department of Health,

right? So hard to manufacture if you're not actually doing the manufacturing. But anyway, limitations the study had, but those limitations were not in a biased way for any of the subpopulations we studied. So in other words, the limitations that we had were the same limitations for the young male population, were the same limitations for the older male population, and the same limitations for the young male population were the same limitations for the older male population and the same limitations for the female population. And this very strong signal that we picked up was only in the young men. And we also already know that young men have a specific increased risk of myocarditis. And we have cases where doctors, pathologists, have diagnosed, tragically, young, very tragically, young people, including boys.

For example, Dr. Jim Till, I think, who's a Yale physician and a pathologist and a medical examiner from Connecticut. These two young boys, teenagers who died days after getting mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, healthy kids. Obviously, they were killed by these vaccines. I mean, that's what the authors concluded. So you have these cases. It happens. Tragically, it happens. And for people to see that finding and to look for every other possible explanation when that finding is only seen in that population, it's just, I mean, it's part of the nonsense, right? You've got to be able to identify and dismiss nonsense for your own

sanity and for your ability to have a positive impact on the world. And that's clearly nonsense. So anyway, so that was what happened. And later people, like, I think there was like a whistleblower who didn't agree with some of the direction I'd given the team about, you know, some of the methodological decisions to make. And then people found these older versions of the analysis. I hadn't even seen all of these versions. Again, because I didn't see all the versions. The epidemiologists, they were doing their own internal process. I don't know exactly what they were doing.

But people were drawing all sorts of conclusions, right? Making this very dramatic and exciting and scintillating story. I mean, I never even saw the data. I still have never seen the data, you know? But, you know, it's also an expression, a manifestation of people's frustration, right? There's like reality, which, you know, I believe is that these mrna covid19 vaccines are absolutely dangerous they've absolutely killed people there's no doubt about it there are many many people who have also been disabled i i you know i'll bet my life on that i mean i have friends who've oh that that

that i think finally people are getting getting getting to understand that a friend of mine a very very successful guy was in the middle of his career and just got completely taken down and uh and it's the same syndrome they're short of breath they can't tolerate exercise they can't it's the same damn thing and there's a group uh our our covid long hauler group that think has a theory that there is these persistent uh spike protein and what are called non-classical monocytes who normally would strongly go through cycle of apoptosis in the brain, and they're not going through the cycle. So they're remaining behind in the source of some sort of inflammation. The VEGF goes up. They have all kinds of parameters. By the way, I had that whole test. I had a long COVID. Both times I had

COVID, and all those markers were up. But I had had COVID long hauler and COVID long hauler normally resolves. It really does. And the other thing from COVID I'm seeing, I'm seeing accelerated heart disease. I'm seeing some coronary stuff in people that shouldn't have it. But the question is, are we also going to, is it the spike protein?

And if it is the spike protein, might we not speculate there'd be some of that from the vaccine also? And I believe I've seen some of that. Again, the data is still not, because you can't question the vaccine, we're not getting quite the right data to be able to understand these things. We have to rely on our clinical impressions. I'm not as clear as you are about, because I'm dealing mostly with older people.

And so the risk reward analysis is different, right? But if I had a young male in front of me, I wouldn't want to take it. I wouldn't want to give it to him. Even if it's one in 15,000 myocarditis, half of those are still have myocarditis at a year, according to a circulation article published a year and a half ago.

And what's the risk of Omicron? Zero, zero. So even if it's one in 15,000 or one in 50,000, I don't care because the risk of the omicron is zero so what are we supposed to do with that as clinicians we a zero risk versus a i just i i don't understand quite what's happening whether people are not thinking but which begs the issue have we forgotten what the scientific method is do you think that we've just sort of lost track of really what we should be using? I mean, what science is and the methodology that's at the core of what science is.

When people say trust the science, they're saying trust a method of inquiry, right? A method of inquiry. And at its purest form, it's somebody coming up with a hypothesis, then developing an experiment around a null hypothesis that that hypothesis is wrong. The simpler the experiment, the better. And then a statistical analysis based on the findings of that experiment. And the null hypothesis is either informative or non-informative. That's it. That's the scientific method. But believing the science is the null hypothesis is informative or non-informative. That's it. And then a theory evolves after these experiments are done over and over and over again. So I want to transition into

a little bit of a conversation. I don't think you and I have really had this trust the science nonsense. And what do you think, because you're in the world of government now, what is going on politically to cause people to say nonsensical things all the time now, like trust the science or trust the scientist or I am the science or all those crazy things that were said during the pandemic. Yeah, you know, I think it's all the non-scientific forces that were part of the pandemic. I will even actually include my own positions as a non-scientific force.

So to be specific about that, you know, early on, back in my Los Angeles and UCLA days, I was back starting in, I think, April 2020,, right? Because we know there's science about the harms of loneliness, right? Related to lockdowns. There's science about masks. There's data. There's data. I know if it's science. Yeah, there's data.

Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But then there's decisions, right? And, you know, and I was sharing my decisions or my recommendations right because there's the data and then the non-scientific part if you will is well what do you do with these data what do you do with it yes yes right and um that that non-scientific part you know i think that's

that is a that's a major dividing point because you you know, I personally, I mean, I want the people to have all the power. I don't want I don't want to control anyone's lives. I don't want to control anyone's decision. I want people to have great information and make the decisions they want for their lives. And so that's the non-scientific part. Unfortunately, the conversation was dominated and it bred all this trust the science. I am science. You don't like science. You're anti-science language that we saw, which is other people. They want to control what you do. They want to control your decisions. Dr. Fauci is-

Why do you think that is? Why is that? Why? I'm like you. I want people to be empowered and live their life at liberty. Why this? I've never seen it in my lifetime, this drive to, I don't understand what's going on in, I mean, you interact with these people, I'm guessing. I mean, Florida doesn't have a lot of them, but I'm guessing you still interact with people that have this impulse to control other people's lives, this sort of elitist notion that we know best, you can't handle the truth. It's the weirdest thing in the world to me. I mean, you just said it, Dr. Cooper.

Yeah, no, you just explained it. That's what it is, right? It's what people's orientation is to what's important in life. And, you know, and you and I share an orientation. I mean, yes, institutions absolutely have value, right? You know, thank goodness for the founding father. Institution of the Constitution. Yes, of course.

The brilliance there. But those founding fathers recognized that, you know, that there's not a better place for power than the individual. And why not, right? The individual is what is divine, right? The individual is the soul, is the relationship to the universe and God, not the institution. And whether people understand it that way or understand it in some other intuitive way, it's all the same. It doesn't matter. You know, are you for individuals or are you for institutions?

And therefore, you know, what you believe things should look like, how you believe things should be ordered. And I think you really hit it on the head, Drew. That's exactly what's up. Some people believe in the individual and want to empower the individual. And unfortunately, some people, and not ironically, because we have institutions, they tend to draw these type of people. They believe in the institution overall, and they believe in the power of the institution and the preservation of the institution. And then you get, you know, S-H-A-S-T-R-I-T-T-Y things like what we saw during the pandemic. that are elected and drawn in, or I'm beginning to develop a theory that a lot of this is a middle management, lifelong bureaucrat who is interested in maintaining their job and their authority

within the bureaucracy and not the will of the people. And that is a deeply concerning phenomenon, if I'm right. Right, right. So I'm just trying to take in what you said, what you said, and you got to forgive me. I'll happily repeat it. I'll happily repeat it because it's a theory. Drew's fine.

It's good. But it's a theory I have that it's been evolving for a while. And I heard some, I started hearing from some of these elected officials going, look, we're just, actually Justin Trudeau's brother just said this. That, hey, man, he's just the head of a thing. And it's the people under him that are really giving him the business. And that's why he makes some of the decisions he makes. And then I heard explicitly from somebody who was in the administration who got into the inner circle of bureaucrats because they didn't realize he was not one of them. And he reported that these people were into subverting the duly elected officials and that they were interested in their job and their point of view and them as a bureaucrat and an elitist dictating the lives of others. And it just was so, so,

so disturbing to me. It made me wonder if elected officials are really just sort of, some of them are not thinking for themselves or are getting handed opinions from their middle management guys who are really not interested in an elected official or the will of the people. And especially if that elected official, they have a conflict with them for some reason, then they're going to undermine them. The point being is I worry that our bureaucracies have become so bloated and so full of lifelong bureaucrats that are interested in their own position and telling you how to live your life as part of that because they believe in what they're doing that's fine um and that the will of the people begs no issue they they that's just not

something they're concerned about and that if that's true we got a big problem i don't know if it happens on the state level so much but i've i've see evidence on the federal level what do you think yeah i actually i you're you are completely correct i mean i there's just there's no there's no doubt about it and you know it's related again to you're right it is elitist you know to think that you know that's for how people should should live their lives and how life should be organized for everyone. And, you know, that's a fact. That's definitely there. You know, it's a part of, you know, probably just about every government. You know, it's interesting because I'll use my governor, DeSantis, in contrast, he really, you know,

we have a, we have very good relationship and we, I really appreciate his values and we're, we're very aligned in terms of in terms of our views of empowerment of the people. He, he doesn't want to, he doesn't, he actually, he wants people to, you know, to live their lives and to, and to, and to be empowered, but he's, you know, he's in, he actually, he wants people to, you know, to live their lives and to, and to, and to be empowered, but he's, you know, he's an, he's an exception. I think you've got a combination of people who actually, I mean, you look at that, uh, Hutschel or whatever her name is, or, or Newsome, who absolutely think that, you know, they know what, yeah, right. In New York, what is best for everyone?

And then you've got people who don't, you know, I actually don't think they have a strong sense of direction. And probably in those administrations, the bureaucracy has a more powerful role. And then in contrast, people like Governor DeSantis, who not only has a, you know, a strong relationship with empowerment of the people, but his, it's so strong that he inspires the people who work for him to like, to be enrolled in that vision. And, and that's, I mean, that, that is, that's a better equation. I mean, it's certainly a more ethical equation. There's more uncertainty in some ways because you're kind of giving more power to individuals. But that's an experiment worth doing. And by the way, that's what the founding

fathers had in mind well that yeah that's interesting that you say it that way because that may be some of the discomfort the centralizing people have with letting people live their life which is just such an odd thing it's so contrary to the foundation founding principles of our of our government but who am i to say let me ask you this uh are there can you tell me what your biggest surprises have been since coming into government? I don't know if you have liberty to say some of them, perhaps. But you come from academic medicine. You're trying to use your clinical skill set and judgment in all these topics we're talking about.

And yet, here you are in government where there must call for a different set of skills. And I'm just wondering, I'm just so curious what it looks like from where you sit and what surprises have come your way. Yeah, I really appreciate that question, Drew. I'll actually tell you one that is quite illuminating for me um and i'll tell you that before when i was at ucla i would never dream of working in government like that i just instinctively had

an aversion to the idea of like you know working in government um yeah i get it yeah i'll tell you one thing that struck me is how, particularly for elected officials, and it's the maintenance of that, and just watering it like the tree of life, you know, and feeding it and even worshiping at it. This shrine of self-preservation is, you know, it's quite something. It's very, very, very common. And it's more common than not. And that surprised me. And I, you know, I guess if I was more into politics before, I might have realized, in fact, that's a major motivation for many elected officials. But I mean, I would be miserable if my objective was preserving my, you know, position or status. I would be miserable. I mean, can you think of, I mean, I can't think of a problem of a meaningful objective, um, to wake up and think that that's what you want to do. You know, hell no.

Listen, I have said that about media also. Like I do media to try to help, try to do good. I've got a skill set. I want to apply it. I want to use it. And that's your reason for being in government too. You've had some specialized training. You've got some special insight and you want to make a difference for people.

But not because you have to be the surgeon general. You need to, to me, you're my psychology, I think are identical. It's all kind of weird and crazy to me that people go that way. You know, it must be awful. Like you said, it must be terrible, but let's drill in it a little bit further because do the majority of these people that are so concerned, or is it common for them that are so concerned to maintain their position, which is sort of being interested in power, which is sort of already weird. Do they just not have much else to do? You know what I mean? Do they have not have a lot of skills to offer the world and they have found their way into this thing and so it's this is plum compared to what else they'd be doing yeah well certainly there are a lot of people who are

very thirsty for power i mean there's there's i'm thinking of names right now that uh that uh who are you know kind of who are in different um kind of the lower levels of government who want to go to higher levels of government um there's there's a lot of that and that's that is uh that's that's a that's a piece but you know there are other pieces i think there are people who and i you know this is just my intuition from spending time with people and getting a sense of what people can take. That's what I want. Yeah. There are people who want to feel they're doing something important and feel that this avenue is a way for them to feel they're doing something important.

And it's interesting because feeling like you're doing something important, and I want to feel like I'm doing something important, that's not the same thing as wanting to do something important. And they're actually two different things. And I absolutely want to do something important. I also want to feel like I'm doing something important because that does make me feel good. But I absolutely, more than anything i want to do something do something important and so you don't have a lot of the latter you have a lot of the former yeah you know wanting to feel like part of something you're doing something important

which is you know so so i'll even i want to distill it down even more it's it's because i can say it in a way that's a little more bleak. It's, it's wanting to make a difference versus wanting to feel like you're important. That's really what the, at the core of that stuff, you and I want to make a difference, right? And, but, and if we're important, it's not important, but if you need to be important, again, that's back to that. Whoa, that must be miserable.

That must be awful. And, and let's back to that, whoa, that must be miserable. That must be awful. And let's be fair. I mean, there are certain character traits slash pathologies that go that direction. And it worries me a little bit. It worries me. And again, they may not be the problem. The problem still might be that middle management sort of, the bureaucracies may, it may just be simply the bureaucracies have become too big and the people within them are fighting to preserve their jobs and their, and again,

their importance. And we have to do something about that. Is Florida doing, is the governor of Florida trying to reduce the sort of size of government there? Is that part of what he's doing or is that up on the table at all? That's a great question. Oh, that's a great question. It's a great question, Drew. So it's very interesting, right? So sometimes you'll hear governor DeSantis talk about how, you know, Florida and New York have about the same population size,

but New York size of their government is multiple times, in terms of billions of dollars, multiple times larger than Florida's. And the governor is saying this. He's like, and what do people get for that? Do they get better roads? Nope. Right, right. Do they get better services? Nope. So in Florida, Florida runs actually quite a very lean shop. And there's really, I receiving millions and millions of dollars each year, but is doing absolutely nothing to the life of New Yorkers.

Or even doing something, but not enough. Even doing something, but not enough. And certainly not enough to subvert the will of the people. That's the thing that really is getting to me. They're concerned with their position, not who's the thing that really is getting to me there. They are not, they're concerned with their position, not who's elected and what that person wants to do. That's a problem.

That's not good. That's not good. But I can see that, you know, I mean, good federal government's definitely incredibly bloated. Yeah, we have to, I was thinking about the Argentinian uh leader now who just just started

shutting things down but it's like a business you have to downsize sometimes you have to and people have to perform properly or they'll lose their job i've been government it tends not to happen so well listen it's always a pleasure to speak with you uh dr latipo is there anything on your on your mind anything coming up we should review? Oh, no, no. It's a pleasure to chat with you too. It's always a pleasure to speak with you, Dr. Drew, and wish you and your lovely wife and your team

just a great night. Let's get Susan on the screen to say hi to you. She's now got a camera of her own and she can talk to you directly. But we do need to come see you. That's one of my goals, to come to Florida and see you in person. And if you're ever out here, of course. Oh, Susan, you're on camera now.

There you are. Caleb's catching me by surprise. Yeah, Florida. Thanks for coming on. It was great to see you again. You too. You too. We love Florida. We love Florida.

We love Florida. And I want to go back. We just got back from West Palm Beach. And it's because people are so happy there. I don't know how else to say it. The people are thriving. And you can feel it and see it. And it's just nice to see young people, particularly.

The millennials have been burdened by so much. And in Florida, watching them thrive is just exciting for me. So again, I appreciate that you did get into government and continue to use your judgment and make the calls, however tough they are. That's the job, right? You're supposed to use your judgment. And I don't understand why people would take issue with that. I mean, it's just,

again, all this is kind of bewildering. But thank you for towing the line and doing the work you've done. And hopefully, I'll talk to you very soon. Hopefully, I'll meet in person.

Yeah. A pleasure, Dr. Drew. Till next time down here. Cheers. Yes, sir. So coming up, we have Aaron Cariotti in here tomorrow with their meryl nass which is incredible uh we're going to get an update on the supreme court case there john

boden we haven't talked to in a while with nick searcy tulsi gabbard coming in next week mike ben's the week after that he's got some new things he's talking about kelly victory will take over the show on the 29th and interview Brian Hooker and then Nino Rodriguez on the 30th. We've got a bunch of interesting guests coming our way. We've been looking at very interesting people saying very interesting things. It feels like the range of discourse is opening. I don't want to say the dam is breaking so much. It's like we can look at things and examine things that people couldn't even speak a year ago or two years ago. And so that is happy, happy to have that happening.

Susan, anything else on your deck coming up? No, you said it all. Okay, we're going to be from New York next week. Except for our locals deal tomorrow. We're going to be live on locals. I want everyone to sign up at Locals. I don't know exactly how it's going to work. It has a whole system in place.

If you aren't already signed up at Locals, go to drdrew.com slash Locals. And I think it's like $7 a month or something, and it supports the show, but also we're going to start generating some live shows there as well. Well, this after show thing, and we'll want to see your thoughts.

And we'll take your questions. We'll do chats. We'll do everything we possibly can. Well, this after show thing, and we'll want to see your thoughts. And we'll take your questions. We'll do chats. We'll do everything we possibly can. Well, we'll do whatever we can. But we used to have a lot of locals, fans there. And I think we still do, but I don't know if they're watching right now. But if you're watching right now,

come on by after the show tomorrow. Yeah, I've wanted to do this for a long time. We've been busy with this show, but now we've got Caleb spent a good deal of time organizing the technical elements so we can do this. And've been busy with this show, but now we've got Caleb spent a good deal of time organizing the technical elements so he can do this. And they're affiliated with Rumble. So the idea is that we start getting more people

on Locals that are also Rumble fans. And then we're going to produce some different stuff this year, I think. Caleb's getting creative. So some special content for Locals. So it was Drew's idea. He mentioned this a while back

and then I finally got onto it where he really wants to have this location where people can actually ask questions and it's not like a thousand chats going from all the different platforms. This really narrows it down to you can pay attention to the questions and really get closer to the core audience

over at Locals. I want to feel like there's got to be safe places where people can really open up and ask things that may be uncomfortable or may be tough for me to answer in a larger context. I think that'll be the place to do it. So we'll see. It's an experiment at this point, and we may start doing it after every show. I don't know. We'll see.

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She always laughs at me. It really does. I know, my drawers are full. Everything's on the counter. I've got a lot of stuff. So anyway, we've got great shows coming up. Ellie Barsh did a great job. Thank you, Caleb, for setting up this

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It was, I was here with Jay too. Jay's going to help me produce a calling out with Susan Pinsky. And if any, any calling out with Susan Pinsky fans are out there, I'm bringing it back. So in a couple of weeks, we might get started.

If anybody wants a psychic reading, you know, we got to hook you up. Oh, now you've become a disembodied face again. When it comes to that topic, you're just, you're just a picture.

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Kratom is what you desperately resort to when you're dying on cancer. Okay. And hardly breathe because of pain. You should be getting pain medication in that case. Yeah on cancer. Okay. And hardly breathe because of pain. You should be getting pain medication in that case. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So this is swampy rumbles. I will tell you that, listen, I was fighting against the opioid epidemic for years. They were killing my patient's hand over fist. And now patients who need opioid pain medication can't get it. And that's insane. That is what centralized control does for you.

It has people who have become evangelical and require doctor to prescribe too much. And then they control the mandate under prescribing. Let doctors and patients make their decisions. This is why I'm involved with the wellness company. The fact that you're a cancer patient and can't get opiate pain medication is disgusting. And by the way, there are legal remedies in place for people that didn't get adequate treatment of pain. It's time to bring maybe some of those back. So I'll just say that and leave it there. And we'll see you tomorrow at three o'clock. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only.

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