Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Kelly Victory: Can Texas Measles & Bird Flu Mutation Really Be Blamed On Anti-Vaxxers? w/ Pediatric Expert Dr. Alejandro Diaz – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 465

Episode Date: March 15, 2025

Dr. Alejandro Diaz says he’s “unvaxxed but not anti vax” because “only a few are good.” Does that include the MMR measles vaccine for kids? Dr. Diaz joins Dr. Kelly Victory (filling in for Dr. Drew) with the latest on bird flu mutation and measles cases in Texas. Dr. Alejandro Diaz, MD, is Chief of Pediatric Medicine at The Wellness Company and a Pediatric Allergist-Immunologist with 17 years in private practice. He has spoken in over 27 countries, including the White House, US Capitol, and United Nations Esplanade in Geneva. He predicted the COVID-19 pandemic in 2018 and was among the first to question the vaccines. Find more at https://x.com/AlejandroDiazMD and https://drdrew.com/twc Dr. Kelly Victory MD is the Chief of Disaster and Emergency Medicine at The Wellness Company. A board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience, Dr. Kelly served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://x.com/DrKellyVictory 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi, and welcome to the show today. I'm Dr. Kelly Victory filling in for Dr. Drew, who's busy with some other items today. I'm always thrilled to be on this platform and able to have open, honest discussions with our guests, and many of whom are my colleagues in medicine. Before I introduce my guest today, who is Dr. Alejandro Diaz, it's been a while since I've been on the show and a lot has happened. Goodness, the first month and a half, whatever it is, of President Trump's new administration has been pretty exciting to watch.

I certainly get up every day and turn on the news to see what has happened over the last 24 hours. And somebody said to me just recently that what's going on with this whole Doge thing is really more theater, that even if Elon Musk rids or exposes hundreds of millions of dollars in fraud and corruption. It's only a drop in the bucket.

But it seems to me that even if it is symbolic, it's a pretty important symbolic measure because it is sending the shot across the bow, if you will, that this new administration is not interested in funding fraud. They're not going to continue with the insanity that we've been exposed to. And certainly the COVID insanity was part of that. Robert Kennedy Jr., I'm thrilled to say, was obviously confirmed.

He's been busy putting out fires that the left keep throwing his way. And certainly Dr. Diaz and I sure will get into that. That's everything from measles and bird flu to whatever crisis du jour they wanna lump up. So we're gonna talk about that. So when I come back, I will formally introduce Dr. Diaz, my guest for today.

We're gonna talk about, certainly a little bit about COVID, but more about the more recent issues with the measles outbreak, the bird flu issues, and how that's being once again, mismanaged by the people in authority. And talk a little bit about just sort of medicine and healthcare in general and where we see that going. So after this break, I'll be back with Dr. Diaz. I'm a doctor for ****. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

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Anyway, I'm super excited to introduce my guest today, Dr. Alejandro Diaz. Dr. Diaz is a pediatric allergist and immunologist with more than 30 years of clinical experience. He and I got to know each other really at the beginning of the pandemic and have worked together quite a bit since then. In addition to being an expert in pediatrics, he's an expert in biosecurity and in migration. He's been involved in the complex medical screenings

required for migration. He's spoken at multiple countries, he's at the parliaments in dozens of countries. He's spoken at the White House. He's been a trusted advisor on issues related to biosecurity and to migration. He certainly, like me, was one of the early people sounding the alarm and raising the alarm flag with regard

to the mRNA vaccines, quote unquote, for COVID. I certainly saw the other fallacies with regard to the COVID pandemic. We're going to talk a little bit about that. And he currently is working along with myself and with Dr. Drew at the wellness company. Dr. Diaz is the chief of pediatric medicine at the wellness company now, and we are certainly thrilled to have him there. He's been a great addition to our team. So without further ado, Dr. Diaz, so happy to have you here. I'm excited. Hi, Dr. Diaz. I'm very excited. Thank you so much for having me.

I'm very excited. I'm very excited. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. People can see that you've got a stethoscope around your neck. We are pulling you out of your very, very busy allergy immunology clinic, and I so appreciate it. I know that you've carved this time out, so we'll try to definitely make the best of it. I've got lots I want to talk with you about. As I mentioned, just in the introduction,

you and I got to know each other really because of the COVID pandemic. We were very much singing from the same song sheet, if you will, with regard to everything from concerns about the mRNA to the lockdown and the harms happening to children. But I'd like, and I don't want to spend much of this hour talking about COVID.

I think many people, including I, I'm sort of have COVID fatigue. But that said, I'd like you do bring a different lens to this and I'd like you to spend a couple of minutes laying out from your perspective, from your purview, what it was like at the beginning as a pediatrician, as an immunologist, as a Latino, what are the sorts of things really,

because you do have a different viewpoint of it or had a different perspective at the beginning and what sort of led you to know early on that something was a mess? Well, first of all, thank you so much, Dr. Victory, to having me on your show and Dr. Drew's show. It's an honor for me. Thank you for the opportunity.

And let me just tell you my story. How did I start it with understanding the COVID operation? I don't call it pandemic, it was a COVID operation. I don't count pandemic, it was a COVID operation. And everything actually started a year before. So I was in Mexico and I was interviewed by a very important broadcaster in Mexico. And he asked me about, because of my background as an immigration doctor, he asked me about because of my background as an immigration doctor

he asked me about what what did I think about the the migrant caravans you know the caravans that they were gathering in Honduras and I told him you know this is my position about that being an immigration doctor panel physician for many years but what really worries me is that looking at the geopolitical aspect and what's happening at the global arena, I really think we are on the preface of a global pandemic. And he says, like, what are you talking about? And I was actually, I was really looking at that. And look what happened just 11 months after my prediction on the third week of

October 2018 and then right after that you know I start to receive a lot of calls and interviews national and international because of my prediction but basically I didn't know it was going to be a coronavirus I didn't know it was going to be a virus or bacteria or a parasite or anything else. I just knew that it was something so hot that it was coming in a way of a pandemic and then the COVID operation happened. So that's my story with the COVID operation and then obviously as a pediatrician, allergist, immunologist, it was very hard. It was very hard for me to try to, because that was on the verge of one of the worst pandemics

ever in the history of humanity. So it was very hard to communicate that not only with my patients and relatives and my family, but also with my colleagues. So it was very, very difficult, but you know, after five years of that, we're still here. We've been talking about different scenarios, different important venues, and just, you know, putting the conversation on the table. Well, as you refer to it as an operation rather than just a pandemic,

you know, explain a little further what you mean. Why do you call it a the COVID operation? Well, first of all, I like to say to your audience, your great audience, that I'm just a regular guy. I'm a regular guy. I don't have extra sources of information just like anybody else just just but what is there but I think I have this sixth sense of understanding what's going on in the world and I have no doubt in my mind and I've been telling this publicly everywhere at the Romanian Parliament that the Mexican Parliament at CPAC you the Japanese Parliament, in India I just came back from India, you name it. This was 100% man-made, it was an evil agenda to do as much harm as they could.

And look what happened, you know, the narrative of fear, the agenda of fear, mass formation and things that, you know, it's really changed the world. Amen. And that's why we have to get that on the table. We have to talk openly and honestly about that. That is not a conspiracy theory any longer. The things that you and I

were derided for, lambasted for, censored, threatened, ridiculed, they have all come to be proven now. Everything from the fallacy of wearing masks to the fallacy of asymptomatic spread, and then certainly the safety and efficacy of the quote, MRNA vaccines. We know that the harms have been tremendous. I said from the beginning and it still really pains me the damage that was done to children of all of the groups who really suffered because of this pandemic or this incident,

this operation, if you wanna call it, we're're children and certainly I think it will take decades for us to really Understand just how much damage was done and by that I don't just mean by the mRNA shots I mean by the whole thing the lockdowns the mask wearing the social isolation all of those things Talk a little bit about you know, you see children every day, you're a very busy clinician. What sorts of things are you seeing today that you would say are potentially related to what happened during the five-year COVID debacle?

One of the main things that I would like to mention is that the mental health issue, you know, the aftermath of that social distancing and lockdowns and masks, we just cannot even dimension the level of harm at the mental health state in this beautiful children worldwide. We are just watching the tip of the iceberg Dr. Victory. This is just the tip of the iceberg on all aspects starting with the mental health, coming back to the immune system. So I speak about regularly about the hygiene hypothesis. So everything, you know, we got kind of sterile,

you know, there's no more antibodies. There was no more, nothing to fight about and our immune system had got weakened and weakened. Lately, this is why we are seeing a lot of infections, common colds lasting for three, four months, a lot of people coughing everywhere and this is just the side effect of those insane measures that you know many governments do worldwide. Exactly and so I we know when you and I talk about, I talk about this damage done to the immune system, I don't mean just by the mRNA shots, and they certainly didn't.

We could do an entire show on the ill effects of the mRNA shots. But it's things like locking people indoors, limited exposure to natural sunlight, limited exposure to other pathogens. We were not meant to bathe in Purell and stay in a bubble and not be exposed to things because it does damage your immune system. Not having regular exercise. It turns out when you close the parks and the swimming pool and the beaches, people don't get out. They didn't exercise. People's diets went to hell during the pandemic. Everyone's ordering DoorDash and eating pizza and Pringles and sitting on the sofa.

So it was a multi- and let us not forget, overwhelming stress, the impact that stress has, which includes the stress imposed by social isolation. All of these things together, I think, really have damaged people's immune system. And when you look at the incidents right now, and you see it, I'm sure, every day, of respiratory illnesses, the influenza cases this year,

lots of things. We have seen a lot of disease burden, infectious disease burden, independent of the things we're about to start talking about with regard to measles and bird flu. So people are going into this with weakened immune systems. Let's talk about bird flu. Dr. Biggri, I would like to add something about that because I really think it's very

interesting, extremely interesting. On the side of the medical aspect, which is very important for us, it was something even deeper than that. This is why I call it the evil agenda. The COVID operation hit the three main pillars of society, faith, family, and health. and health. And we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg because it hits at the moral and spiritual level and obviously at the health level. So this was tremendous. It was insane. It's hard to understand the level of sickness of whoever or the group who created this. Well, let's talk a little bit more about this, because I agree with you.

I don't think there's anything probably more important than the effect that that pandemic and the response had on those three pillars. When you talk about faith, remember, churches were shut down. Walmart was open, churches were shut down. Walmart was open, churches were shut down, liquor stores were open, marijuana stores were open, but you couldn't go to church. You couldn't gather and worship, and this included over major holidays. Families could not get together for holidays. You couldn't go to a wedding or a funeral or celebrate a graduation. It drove a wedge through, I mean, I know that when you ask people,

do you have, were there friendships that you lost? Even our family members, relationships that were cloven in half as a result of what happened during the pandemic. I know it certainly happened for me. I have friends and family members with whom I've never really had the same relationship since the great divide over COVID.

Either you either believed in masks or you didn't. You either believed in the vaccines or you didn't. And it was as polarizing as anything I've ever seen. Dr. Victory, exactly that. But on top of that, just imagine in a very, you know, this beautiful mind of children, pornography went to the roof.

Oh yeah. Went crazy up like never before. So just combined everything and it was a time bomb. Do you see, you know, you have a different, once again, a different lens. I am only here in the United States and although I have colleagues around the world, I don't see, you know, you have traveled to so many different places. You just rattled off a handful of different countries you've been to in the last six months. Are you seeing these same sorts of things in children in other countries, in India, in Mexico, in Romania, in the UK?

Exactly the same. You know, the playbook, the playbook was so well written, it was so well scriptured that it was developed to affect the planet. They did a great job. They were successful. They were, and so this is a good segue. Now, you and I both see it. I've talked about it for the better part of five years. So have you, you're prolific on Substack,

you make lots of interviews, you and I are constantly trying to educate the public about what actually happened in an honest and open way. Here we go, fast forward. Let's talk about bird flu, the next one. Don't you think there are an awful lot of similarities in terms of the way that they are, you know, once again, it's the fear porn, the panic, the, you know, we have to, you know, kill all the birds, you know, we've got to cull the flocks.

They are doing things that are nonsensical from, in my estimation, from a scientific perspective. You know, do you agree with that? 100% and the fact of the matter that they know that people they are We are experiencing post Traumatic stress syndrome and now they know they are just just a second of the way to get on Again with the same narrative. So that's why they're creating the bird flu and now with missiles and everything else. So you know because they know that people they're very scared and they don't want to go by that you

know ever again. And this is why they're bringing this this craziness to the world again. Yeah, to be clear, you know, you and I know this, but for our audience, bird flu, specifically we're talking about H5N1, has never been a significant risk to humans. It has only posed a risk previously to people who are in direct contact with infected birds or infected cattle.

There has not been a single case of human-to-human transmission of bird flu in the United States. All of that said, a couple things. Number one, we know that they are doing gain-of-function research on this virus in labs in the United States with the stated purpose of making it more transmissible human to human. Let's talk about that and gain a function. But also, they are doing things in terms supposedly in the name of safety. And this is what harkens back to me. It's right out of the COVID playbook. It's all about safety, right?, during COVID, it was masking and lockdowns and shutting down the schools and all of this insanity. Now it's killing millions of poultry birds,

you know, making, shutting down farms, making them destroy all the eggs and remain closed for a matter of months. I mean, this is, there's nothing scientific about this. 100% and the most you know dangerous part of this is that unfortunately it's the same playbook exactly the same playbook and I wouldn't be surprised and I'm not trying to predict anything but I wouldn't be surprised that in the future, in the near future, we will have human-to-human transmission. I wouldn't

be surprised because they're trying to use exactly the same playbook. And so I guess that, so that here's the question, you know, as an immunologist you probably have better scientific background in this. As I mentioned, that we know they're doing gain of function research on this virus, including at places like the USDA lab in Athens, Georgia, and in multiple academic laboratories, including the University of Wisconsin in Madison.

They are manipulating H5N1, bird flu, in the laboratory to try to make it more transmissible. We are seeing some indication of some more virulent strains of it. We've had a few people who have supposedly died with bird flu. And the question is, is that by natural mutation? You and I talked with Dr. Peter McCullough about this. Is it natural mutation or is this once again because they manipulated this virus in a laboratory? Yes, and especially with the new variant, the D1.1, I really think that it's nothing

else that gain of function research. gain-of-function research and you know they're playing with, they're doing the same playbook and unfortunately you know society will pay the price until we do something and this is why I love this kind of shows Dr. Victory because we are bringing hope to the people. We don't have to panic, we don't have to do anything, we just have to be aware. We just have to stand out there and then just try to have better nutrition, better supplementation, better health overall. That's basically the main message. Absolutely. I don't think that it's likely that the new variant that's causing more severe disease for bird flu, I think it's unlikely that it occurred by natural mutation. I think it likely was the result of lab manipulation.

You know, I didn't agree with much that happened during the Obama administration, but I did agree with the moratorium that was placed in 2014 on gain of function. It's very dangerous. You and I both know lab errors, lab mistakes aren't uncommon. It happens all the time. Lab leaks happen. So even if you wanted to say, hey, what happened in Wuhan with COVID?

It wasn't released on purpose. It was just abject incompetence. Even if it was that, it wasn't released on purpose, it was just abject incompetence. Even if it was that, it's dangerous. I think it was, as you do, something more nefarious. And why in the world would you want to manipulate H5N1, bird flu, to make it more transmissible human to human? Why would somebody do that? It didn't pose a risk to humans before, why would somebody do that? It didn't pose a risk to humans before. Why

would somebody do that? Do you have a theory? Exactly. Well, the only reason for that hypothesis is to follow the same narrative as what happened with the COVID operation. And if you remember the victory. Victory, the first case, official case of SARS-CoV-2 was just about December 19, 2019 in China. About like six months before, we were seeing cases in Italy of COVID-19, but it wasn't labeled at that time, but we know that it was there. So they're very clever, they know how to do it, and they just start here's and there's until they have the whole narrative and then they just put it out there. It's incredible how it works.

It's incredible how it works. It's incredible. And you just mentioned, you know, the most obvious thing, I don't want to gloss over it, which is once again, just as with COVID, none of the people in the positions of public health are talking at this point about the things that we should be doing

to be good stewards of our overall immune health. No one is talking about good nutrition, regular exercise, adequate sleep, stress mitigation. It's all weight. And if we're lucky, they'll come out with a new vaccine for bird flu or they'll kill all the birds and we can somehow eradicate it. You as a pediatrician, what are the things you are telling your patients? You know, how do you coach your patients clinically on a daily basis so that they have something other than, you know, bathing in Purell and waiting for a vaccine?

Yes, well, at this time, at this point in time, it's kind of hard to communicate this kind of messaging to our patients because they are so hurt for what happened with the pandemic. So it's a working process. So I try to open my statements and just try to tell them that they have to eat better, they have to do exercise, they have to go outside, just common sense things. And you know, Dr. Victory, one of the things that you and I have seen is that unfortunately, what I call the medical religion, and with all respect to all of our colleagues worldwide,

we have been in during medical school and residency and self-specialty and you know, know we're so busy we don't have time to question things. We don't have time we don't have time to ask the right questions. We have been indoctrinated Dr. Victory and that's that's terrible. For a beautiful profession of being a doctor and helping people trying to get better try try to get better in terms of health. And sometimes we touch the spiritual things and different aspects. But the indoctrination has been so, so tremendous that we lose the ability to have common sense. And everything is have common sense. And everything, you know, everything it's about common sense. So we have to start bringing common sense to the medical world.

Right. Well, you are more magnanimous than I. Indoctrination is probably the nicest word. I say it the way I, we were lied to. We were lied to, unfortunately, in medical school. And the greatest existential crisis of my life was really coming to that realization that much of what we were taught in our training

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This is Uncharted Territory, Drew. Welcome back. I'm thrilled to be joined here today with Dr. Alejandro Diaz, pediatric immunologist and allergist and the chief of pediatric medicine at the wellness company. Looking at that ad, Dr. Diaz from the wellness company that just rolled, I am really proud of the kits that the company has put together. They really empower people to have on hand the sorts of things that they would need to manage many, many different medical emergencies.

We've realized, I think, during the pandemic, at least I did, that people are a lot smarter than we give them credit for. And if you give them things like antibiotics and antivirals and medications to treat burns and nausea and vomiting and those sorts of things, they won't just take them willy-nilly. But in order for them to be useful, they really have to have them in their possession before the crisis occurs. I know that we've got a new pediatric kit, the children's kit, which includes a lot of different things that you probably use on a regular basis. But I'm very proud of these kits that we've made available.

Well I really think that the wellness company is doing an amazing job, starting with the amazing team that they, you know, what I call the dream team, including yourself, obviously, Dr. Peter McCall, Dr. Drew, Dr. Rich, Dr. Thorpe, you know, great people, amazing doctors, and I think that's one of the greatest achievements to have all of you together. And especially the wellness, the kids wellness kit, you know, that includes EpiPen, Dexamethasone, ear drops, antibiotics, antivirals, and you know, things that we as parents and obviously as doctors, we use it

all the time. And I think it's a fantastic tool. Amazing. I agree with you. I agree. Right before the break we were talking about the fact that we were misled, misguided, indoctrinated, lied to, whatever you want to say during our extensive medical training. I think this is largely a result of the influence of big pharma and the tremendous amount of

money that they wield in certainly in Washington, the fact that they control so much of the advertising dollars. The United States is one of only two countries in the world that allows pharmaceutical advertising on television, New Zealand being the other. The amount of influence that they have and therefore they influence what we were taught. Great segue into measles. Everybody knows, hopefully, that the new crisis du jour Everybody knows, hopefully, that the new crisis du jour now is the measles outbreak. We've had several. But I certainly was taught, and I can't assume you were as well, that the decrease in measles deaths

and measles as a disease burden was the result of vaccines, of kids getting the MMR vaccine. And that's why, you know, measles isn't an issue anymore. And it's now the problem that people aren't getting vaccinated. And that's why we have this outbreak. So talk a little bit about that, the truth versus fiction. Well, that's a very hot and interesting topic, Dr. Victory. So if we look at the last 100 years, so the mortality rate has been declining even before

the licensing of the MMR vaccine, which was just about 1963. And it was just declining just before that. So really, to be honest, the vaccine had nothing to do with decreasing the mortality at all. That's proven facts. That's science. That's one fact. And then if we go through, you know, the outbreaks that we used to have all the time before 1963 1963, like my parents, I was growing, I grew up on the 70s. So my parents, my grandparents, great grandparents, everybody, they used most of them,

they have measles by the age of 18 years. Most of them, in the United States, in Mexico, everywhere in the world, it was a worldwide disease. Communicable disease, but mortality rate very low States, in Mexico, everywhere in the world. It was a worldwide disease. You know communicable disease but you know mortality rate very low in the last uh let's say 80 years. And then in 1963 they start with the new licensed uh vaccine and then everything was everything was okay until 1989. everything was everything was okay until 1989. In 1989 we had because this is important to understand in 1989 we have the first important outbreak after the vaccine and then we're talking about like 55,000 cases and unfortunately 123 deaths. So that is mortality rate of about 0.22%.

If we take into account that during that time only in the United States there were about, just roughly about 55 million children below the ages of 15. The incidence rate to get to acquire the disease was 0.1 percent. So after those events, the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices, the ACIP and the American Academy of Pediatrists, they got together and they said, you know, we have a lot of cases, we have this is going out of control, why don't we start a second shot, a second, you know, a second dose. And because of that, if you see the percentages, if you see the epidemiology, they started with the second dose until now. So, and then we had the 1992 outbreak,

the 2014 in Ohio outbreak, the 2015 in Disneyland, and then the 2017 in Minnesota. So there has been outbreaks, always very small outbreaks, but now they are bringing the narrative again so people are starting to get scared because they don't know what to do and and it's hard it's hard to to you know it's hard to communicate this with with patients parents specifically because they are so afraid right now because you know the media are are communicating not very accurate data.

So that's confusing a lot of people. Precisely. So just to recap, what you said is precisely correct. And this is not your opinion or my opinion. This is the data that appears on the CDC website. The reality is from 1900 to 1960, the death rate from measles dropped by 98%. It was so low. Three years, and that was three years prior

to the availability of the measles vaccine, which as you said, rolled out in 1963. So it did drop by 98%. Why? Because of better nutrition, better sanitation, clean water, better living conditions, all of the things that happened between 1900 and 1960. Prior, by the way, in the years prior to 1960, we had somewhere in the range of 400 to 500 deaths a year from measles. You know, tragic, but not anywhere near the number of deaths we have on an annual basis from say, influenza or tuberculosis or in the rest of the world, you know, diarrheal diseases, those sorts of things.

So it wasn't exactly a huge problem prior to 1960, but it had already dropped by 98% by the time the vaccine was rolled out. So now here we are. We had not had, we've got a quote outbreak right now. We've had four outbreaks so far this year in the United States. An outbreak is defined as more than three cases that are associated. And we've had a couple of measles deaths that have been reported. But you and I both know, we don't have an off... There's an awful lot we don't know about those measles cases, including the one child who died in Texas.

Talk a little bit about that, what you know, I'll fill in any parts that I know, about that death and whether or not you think it's significant. Well, first of all, as a father, as a pediatrician and so on, any death of any children, it's a tragedy of any kind. If it's an accident, if it's a disease, infectious disease or anything. So I have to be very cautious about that.

But statistically, statistically, it's not sufficient, it's not significant in terms of numbers. So really, people, they don't have to be worried about that. If they have made their decision, because to be completely honest about this, this is just the question to vaccinate or to not vaccinate. And that is the question that everybody's asking. There are a large group of people in different parts of the world that they have decided not to vaccinate their children for different reasons whatever

their reason is every family will think differently but now they are trying they're shifting a little bit because of this madness of big media sending this message of oh this is the end of the world. Everybody has to go and rush to get vaccinated, their kids and so on and so forth. But if we see the numbers bluntly and cold as the numbers are, you know, I don't think there's sufficient data to change your behavior, change your behavior, basically. No, I agree, and I agree with you. And by the way, I don't think either of us are, quote, anti-vaccine. I certainly, prior to COVID, was considered

to be a vaccine zealot. I had written prolifically on the importance of vaccination programs. I certainly believe very differently now based on the actual data and what we know. When I was growing up in the 60s, you got between birth and age 18, depending on what state you lived in, you got anywhere between six and eight vaccines

in that 18 year period. That number is now up to 78. And that does not include the six recommended COVID shots, so that would bring it to 84. So, you know, I am not an immunologist, you are, but I am, I can certainly say as a physician that the human immune system was not meant to be flogged continually with immune challenge after immune challenge after immune challenge with these vaccines. And that's what we are doing. And I believe that it is being reflected in the disease processes that we are seeing,

not only autism, but the massive increase in asthma and allergies, you know, eczema, psoriasis, all of these autoimmune things, I think are likely related in one way or another to the fact that we are over-vaccinating and we have been led to believe that we can vaccinate our way to good health as opposed to all of the other things that you and I have been talking about. What I was referencing with regard to this child who died in Texas is that we don't even know that that child died of measles. The child tested positive for measles, but it is unclear. It's my understanding that the child was admitted with RSV and was actually given the

MMR, the measles vaccine, in the hospital when the child came in ill with RSV and pneumonia. Talk a little bit, kind of in as much lay terms as you can, what the MMR is and why that might have caused the child to either test positive for measles or to actually contract measles. Yeah, well, first of all, and again, I'm terrible sorry for any child's death of any cause and I will not not to disrespect anybody. I am a father of four and I love children as a pediatrician, as a human being and it's a tragedy all the time.

And so the data is that one child died in Texas and then another patient died in New Mexico. But if we ask the question what was the condition in terms of the immune system or any other comorbidities, we don't know. I don't think that information is available. We don't know that. And so it's... and let me tell you my personal experience. So as you know, I've been practicing for over 32 years and I have different specialties. And until this moment, Dr. Victory, I haven't seen not even a single case of missiles ever in my life.

And I've been training in Europe, in Mexico, working in the United States, life. And I've been trained in Europe and Mexico, working in the United States, everywhere. And I haven't seen it. So it's not that common. It's important to stress that out. It's important to mention to the public, to the audience. And so that's number one. Number two, you know, right now there are not a lot doctors

who has a lot of experience with measles. So it's not easy to recognize it. Even though, yes we know it's a communicable disease, it's a viral illness, it's a feral illness, going with coughing, with maculopapular rash, and running nose, choriza, conjunctivitis, we know that. We know that. Every doctor knows that. But it's hard to recognize it because there are so many overlapping signs and symptoms of so many other diseases that it's hard to make the correct diagnosis. from the lab standing point they did. And there's so many questions.

So I will start with that introduction in terms of the measles. What do you think, Dr. Kelly? Well, first of all, I think what you're saying is spot on because you're putting it in perspective. Again, I agree, any death is a tragedy and my heart goes out to the parents of that child. But we have to put in perspective as physicians, if you put your public health

hat on, we have the reality of the disease burden is that every year in a particularly bad influenza year, which we've had many of them, 1957, 1969, 2003, 2009, 2018, and this is a particularly brisk year this year. We can have as many as 30 to 50,000 deaths from influenza in the United States. So you have to, I believe, put things in perspective so that people are prone to fear all the time. After they've been primed with what happened with COVID, people, as you said, have PTSD and it isn't going to take much to push them over the edge.

So we are obligated as honest physicians to put things in perspective. It doesn't mean you are minimizing the tragedy of the loss of a child, but you are saying, look, we have got to say, what is really the real risk? I tell people, if you want to be afraid of something, be afraid of drug-resistant tuberculosis. That's something you want to be afraid of, okay? You know?

And Dr. Victor, I'm sorry to interrupt, but on top of that, I mean, there's a risk, there is a risk from us, you and I, or whoever, driving from our home to our job, driving our kids to the school. There's some risk. So there are risks on anything. So we just have to balance it out and just being very objective. I think this will be like the main message to everybody, but you're

absolutely right. I agree with you 100%. No, and I think it is again, Dr. Harvey Riesch, our colleague who's an epidemiologist from Yale, I asked him the other day, I said, you know, how many on average, how many deaths in the United States do we have per year as a result of complications from diabetes and from smoking and drug abuse? It is over a million, over a million deaths a year from those things that are entirely preventable. Type 2 diabetes, smoking, drug abuse. So I'm talking about things, you know, not cancers that you could say, other things,

but things that are 100% preventable. And so I think it's that we have to put things in perspective. Another thing I want to talk with you about and see what insights you have is when we talk about MMR, which is measles, mumps, rubella, that the combined vaccine. So the MMR vaccine that we give in the United States is not just for measles, it's measles, mumps, rubella combined. And as I intimated, I have concerns that our problem with vaccination

isn't just the total number, but it's the frequency and the, you know, kind of how the intervals in which we give them. Japan, I understand, got rid of, they outlawed the MMR, that combined vaccine, in 1993. They still make the individual components, measles, mumps, rubella, available, but not as the combined shot. Do you know much about that? Or do you want impact? What caused them to do that? And what has the impact been on their disease process?

Well, I was just, as you know, I was recently in Japan speaking at the Japanese Parliament in Tokyo. And it was mostly about COVID and the COVID operation and everything. And then we did a huge march in Tokyo and it was amazing. We met amazing physicians. And basically the reason behind that, it was amazing. We met amazing physicians and basically the reason behind that it was just scientific data. Scientific data, they get rid of those and they just did exactly what you said. And this is again just trying to bring common sense to science. Common sense to science. Like for example, what happened recently in Kansas with the

tuberculosis outbreak and I haven't heard anybody like let's go rush immediately to go and get the vaccine and this and that so everything it's about perspective everything it's about at the end of the day to be calm to have to have the right elements to make smart decisions. From the medical standpoint, from the society standpoint, now that we have an amazing director of HHS, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., that I really think he's doing an amazing job.

But, you know, don't you think it's suspicious what's going on right now now since he got in office? I think, you know, everything ended up to be political. Well, that's my exactly right. I think that, you know, you talked about the impact that COVID had on faith, family and health. One of the things also that it did was tremendously undermine people's confidence in our profession

and in public health because it is all politicized. I think there's no question that it isn't just coincidence that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. gets in the office all of a sudden we're having this outbreak of measles that's being hyped up. We've got concerns about bird flu. They're making sure that President Trump can't make good on his promise to bring egg prices down because if you kill all the birds, turns out that egg prices will go up. And so they are making sure of it, they being the people who are doing this unnecessary calling. So yes, I

think it's highly political and it's only platforms like this one and your efforts on things like your substack and speaking out that we can try to return perspective, common sense, critical thinking, and those sorts of things to the public because I think people don't know what to believe or who to trust. And all I can say is, you know,

look to the people who got it right during COVID, they're likely to lead you the right path during measles and bird flu. You've been posting a little bit on X recently on Twitter about things that are outside of the normal realm of just medicine, but about the tyrannical governments around the world. You posted recently about Romania,

and I know you were in Romania, or it's my understanding speaking there. I think these things are related. They might not look to be related on the surface, but using health crises to control the population, using fear to control the population. Talk a little bit about that. Yeah, thank you for asking Dr. Vickery.

Number one, I've been in Romania a couple of times. I'm in love with Romania. It's a beautiful country, beautiful people, and they're having a very hard time right now. You know, they cancel the presidential. I don't want to get very political, but I just want to mention what I think is going on. They just cancel the presidential elections. So, Mr. Giorgescu, Kalin Giorgescu, who was the runner-up, he was the number one on the first Giorgiescu, Cailin Giorgiescu, who was the runner-up, he was the number one on the first round of the elections, by far number one,

and they just cancelled it. And the other party, which is the AUR, the Alliance for Unity of Romanians, led by my good friend, George Simeon, he's helping Kailin to try to, you know, bring them to conscience of not tyranny, but democracy, you know, and that's happening. And like you said, everything is related. Everything is related. So the left and the globalists are blocking the real democracy to do good for their people and now they're suffering every day each and every day and I am sure that the agenda that includes tuberculosis includes the missiles includes everything that we are seeing worldwide. It's linked, everything gets linked.

And it just brings madness to the conscience of people. So they don't want them to make the right decisions basically. They want to mislead people. No, I agree with you. I think there's so much propaganda, it's so hard to know what is true. And when you start using infectious disease, which is as a cudgel to control people's behavior, to control what they do, whether they work, whether they travel, whether they get together, it is really, it is evil. It's the essence to me of evil.

It is a very quick way to strip people of their civil liberties because people turn them over to you. It was so quick during COVID. I remember being so shocked at how quickly people were willing to get in line, to fall in line, to put that mask on, to stand six feet apart,

even though it made no sense. And our own colleagues, people, you know, you and I sat next to in virology class, are all of a sudden, you know, removing every other chair in their waiting room and all of this silliness, you know, our own profession kind of bought into it. We've got a few minutes left, let's talk a little bit about that

in terms of you have great insight. I think not only are you prescient in terms of what's coming next, but I think you have great insight perhaps because of your faith and your global experience in terms of our own profession and what drove them to buy into it. Because I would submit to you

that none of this could have happened if it were not for the complicity of our own profession, people in medicine. If everyone had stood up like you and I did, if everyone had said the truth and said, the emperor has no clothes, if we had said the scary part, this wouldn't have happened. So what do you think has happened in medicine that has allowed our colleagues to buy into it? That's a great question Dr. Victorin. That's an amazing question. Before I get into that, I would like to recommend you and your great audience an amazing book written by my good friend from Belgium, Mathias de Smit, The Psychology of Totalitarianism. That's an amazing book and everybody who will read that book will understand exactly, you know, the art of manipulation, the art what happened during

the COVID operation and I strongly recommend everybody to read that book. So how do you say... I'm so glad you mentioned, in fact, hang on for a second. I'm so glad you mentioned that. And maybe Caleb can throw that up there. Dr. Matthias Desmet, I believe, has been on the show with Drew in the past. We certainly have quoted him commonly.

He's the person who I first became familiar with referencing mass formation psychosis and mass formation that psychology. But I have not read that book cover to cover. I would like to, but I think, you know, go with this line of the theory behind the totalitarianism and the tactics. And certainly it played into, I believe, what happened with our profession, but go on from there. So that's it, well, that's the book. Yeah, I recommend everybody to read that book.

And by the way, my dear friend, Matthias Desmet, he's an amazing person. I've been with him in Belgium a couple of times and in different venues in the world. He's an amazing person and everybody should see his interview with Dr Carlson. Amazing interview, amazing interview. So what's going on with the medical profession, unfortunately worldwide, if you see the syllabus worldwide of the medical profession, it's exactly the same. It's based on disease.

medical profession, it's exactly the same. It's based on disease. It's a disease-based profession, not on health. It's not related on health. So when we say about the healthcare system, I don't really understand that concept because this is not a healthcare system. This is a sick care system and we've been taught about that since day one of medical school and the indoctrination,

the level of indoctrination has been tremendous worldwide and basically you want to be part of the club, you're gonna be wearing your white coat, you have to behave and you have to do exactly what we tell you to do. And I mean, that's, I would like to put it on simple words. That's as simple as I can put it. Obviously I've been studying this extensively for many years and understanding,

but that isn't simple words, Dr. Victory. No, I think you are right. And I've said that myself many, many times. We have a disease care system, not a health care system. It's my understanding that in ancient Greece, actually, people paid their physicians when they were well and stopped paying when they got sick because it was a sign that you are not doing your job. We do the opposite.

Doctors only make money and hospitals certainly only make money when people are in their hospitals. So, we have an incentive to do things that are not necessarily in their best interest. Not you and I personally, but the big system we know that 80% of all physicians are now employed by large hospital systems or hospital groups and insurance companies that don't necessarily have their best interests in mind. Where do you see we've got a couple minutes left? And I know your patients are anxiously waiting for you to get back to clinic, so I feel obligated to let you go back to what you actually do expertly every day, which is care for pediatric

patients. But in the last couple of minutes, talk a little bit about what you would like to see. We've got multiple competing crises. We got bird flu and the impact it's having. We've got measles. We've got Robert Kennedy Jr. trying to attend to some other things on his radar,

some far bigger issues, you know, like addressing the food system and those sorts of things. What would you like to see happen in the next, say, 12 months with regard to where we're going with health and human services, where we're going with health care in the United States? Well, that's a very interesting question, but it's also a very tough question to That's a very interesting question, but it's also a very tough question to answer. But I really think that Secretary Kennedy, he's doing a phenomenal job. I just pray that they let him do his job, that he can do his job, that he can deliver what he's in his heart. I cannot imagine the pressure that he's going through right now.

I can't, I just can't imagine. I had the opportunity to talk with him once on a Zoom call and I was impressed. I was impressed by the agility of his mind, the way he can remember names and like he's like a photographic memory. Yes. And then just during the pandemic what happened with this book. I think I was one of the first people who got his book and I don't call him a book like the real Anthony Fauci. It's a documentary. It's a documentary. It's incredible. So if they let him do what he is fit to do, I think we're going to have a great health system.

Things are going to change. The other members of the health system, I think they're fantastic. They're amazing. And this is what I call the dream team. So basically I'm hoping for the best. I really think there are four years ahead of us, ahead of us that they're gonna be amazing and it's gonna be a game changer.

We're gonna be seeing slowly, slowly, but surely. And I think at the end of four years, things will change. That's my hope and I will pray for that. I share your hope and I appreciate those sentiments. I think the world of Robert Kennedy Jr. I think that he is absolutely sincere in his efforts. I think he wants to expose a lot of the fraud and corruption. I think he wants to get us back to the basics, return us to where we focus on health, not

disease, and that certainly starts with our food system. He has not, you know, the terrible anti-vaxxer, you know, crazy conspiracy theorists that they want you to believe that he is. I think he is genuine. I think he's brilliantly smart. He's got a great background. He's fought big pharma in the past. He will fight for kids.

He will fight for informed consent. He will fight for autonomy in healthcare, the pillars of medical ethics upon which you and I trained and have based our practices. So with that, I thank you so much for taking time away from your patients. Thank your patients for me, for us, for taking the time away. There's never enough I could go on for another hour, but I so appreciate you,

and I hope you'll join me again soon. Dr. Victor, thank you so much for the opportunity, and I will love to be back in your show. Sounds great. Talk soon. Thank you. I think we've got, that was great. As I said, I could go on and on with Dr. Diaz.

We've got so many things to talk about. He is remarkable. He's been, as I said, all over the world. He has spoken at the parliaments of many, many different countries. I never cease to be amazed. Whenever I talk to him, he's always saying, well, I just got back from Japan, or I just got back from Brazil, or I just got back from... He really has been tremendous, not only in his background and expertise in pediatrics, obviously, and allergy and immunology but really his

ability to understand the pressures and the focus that the different things that these different countries are facing in their own realm and certainly I appreciate his comments about what's happening in Romania because I think this totalitarian movement is happening all around the world. Caleb, do we have the list of upcoming shows? I only know the one that I'm back for. I'm back on the 20th. That's the one that's on my calendar. But you've got a great lineup.

Simone Gold is coming up on the 18th. And Tom Renz, one of my favorite people, attorney Tom Renz, he's done remarkable work fighting for people who were injured during the COVID debacle. And then obviously, Dr. Ram and is there with Sabine is on. So some great shows coming up. I know that I will be back with Drew, as I said, on the 20th. I think it's just the two of us. I don't think we have any other guests and that's great so that Drew and I will be back with Drew, as I said, on the 20th. I think it's just the two of us. I don't think we have any other guests, and that's great, so that Drew and I will have a chance to catch up on air. Until then, thank you all.

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