Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Peter McCullough: RFK Jr. Faces Senate Hearing Circus, As 81,000 Doctors & Experts Publish New Demand For COVID-19 Vaccine Recall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 450

Episode Date: February 1, 2025

“Are you supportive of these onesies?” demanded Bernie Sanders, the allegedly grown adult Senator of Vermont, during a confirmation hearing of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for Secretary of Health and Human Services. “ARE YOU SuPpOrTiVe Of tHiS cLoTHiNg?!?!” the Senator continued, gesturing at a set of baby clothes made by RFK-founded organization Children’s Health Defense, in the strongest argument against RFK that the Senate panel could muster in their over 3-hour hearing. Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and the Chief Scientific Officer at The Wellness Company. As an expert on cardiovascular medicine with over 30 years of experience, Dr. McCullough has spoken widely about the heart-related risks of mRNA. He is the co-author of The Courage To Face COVID-19: Preventing Hospitalization and Death While Battling the Bio-Pharmaceutical Complex. Follow Dr. McCullough at https://x.com/P_McCulloughMD and learn more at https://PeterMcCulloughMD.com [Dr. Drew is a board member of The Wellness Company, and TWC is a sponsor of Ask Dr. Drew] Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson is a co-founder of Seraphina Therapeutics. She holds a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine from Tufts University, a Master of Public Health from Emory University, and completed a National Research Council Associateship with the Armed Forces Medical Intelligence Center. As a Technical Agent for DARPA and researcher with the U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, she discovered C15:0’s role in preventing Cellular Fragility Syndrome. This led her to co-found Seraphina Therapeutics, developing the fatty15 supplement. Find more at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • CBDISTILLERY - Targeted CBD formulations made from the highest quality CLEAN ingredients. No fluff, no fillers - just pure, effective CBD solutions. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://cbdistillery.com/ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're gonna have Dr. Peter McCullough in here in mere moments. He really needs no introduction. He's been a leader throughout the COVID disaster in terms of helping us understand the depths of some of the poor judgment and poor interventions. As well as vaccine, vaccine therapies and what we do with the unfortunate reactions that some people have suffered from the vaccine. He's an internist, He's a cardiologist. He was an interventional cardiologist.

He essentially ran the Department of Medicine at Baylor University. One of the most published physicians in the country. McCullough, C-U-L-L-O-U-G-H-M-D, P underscore McCullough on X, and PeterMcCulloughMD.com. And a little later in the show, Dr. Stephanie Van Watson comes back. She, of course, is the co-founder of Serafina Therapeutics. She's the veterinarian physician, doctor of veterinary medicine from Tufts, who did the studies on the dolphin that led to the isolation of pentadecanoic acid, C15. And she's got more updates on the benefits.

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In addition to Dr. McCullough's decorated history, he is, of course, a part of the medical board with the wellness company, TWC, where I've had the pleasure to have served. Again, let me give you a little more info on X. It is P underscore McCullough, M-C-C-U-L-L-O-U-G-H-M-D. The book is The Courage to Face COVID-19. It is an extraordinary thriller through the unbelievable experience that many of us had during the pandemic. Dr. McCullough's Substack is petermculloughmd at Substack, and his website is petermculloughmd.com. Please welcome Dr. McCullough. Thank you for being here, Peter.

Thank you, Dr. Drew. So let's kind of start with, by the way, good job on Fox Business yesterday. I thought that was excellent that they gave you kind of the time to talk about things a little bit because people are suddenly interested in so many of the things that you and I have been talking about and worrying about and trying to solve for quite some time. So bring us kind of up to go ahead. Please go. Yeah, it's true. The interest in this cabinet position. You know, there's 15 cabinet positions, secretary of HHS.

Do you remember any deliberations over Alex Azar or Xavier Becerra? No. No. Not only that, not only that, I challenge anybody to give me the name of a surgeon general before they went into office that you had an opinion about or even knew the name of a surgeon general or an HHA secretary before inauguration day, let alone well after they took office? So true.

I mean, many think back to Luther Terry. In 1964, he wrote the Surgeon's General Report on Smoking. Remember, doctors advertised cigarettes with nurses, and doctors strongly supported smoking for over 20 years before that report came in. And then, of course, C. Everett Koop, who brought in the new era of pediatric ICUs and all the things that are done now to prevent childhood injuries. Well, the one that jumped out all of a sudden early in her, who actually is a wonderful person and quite a good professional, that jumped out early in her tenure.

Again, no one had an opinion about her before she was appointed, but Joycelyn Elders, if you remember, she had a bunch of controversy for speaking a little frankly about teenage sexuality. And she ended up being really mistreated, frankly. But let's get off the Surgeon General. Let's get on to COVID a bit. Let's start with bringing people up to date with some of the interventions. Since we last spoke, it's probably been eight or ten months since we last spoke on this program, and what you're seeing, how you're thinking about vaccine injury, COVID injury has evolved. Let's take COVID first. There still are sporadic cases, and Drew, I was reminded what a severe illness this is. I just had a patient die of covid 19 now the history is

that she's a few years older than me and she never had covid before i had checked the antibodies no antibodies against the sars-cov-2 nucleocapsid or spike protein but she was developing scleroderma and systemic sclerosis after taking the Janssen vaccine. You know, we didn't know if it was related or not. Temporally, it was. And she had seen specialists and had received rituximab, methotrexate, as well as hydroxychloroquine. And sure enough, she came down with acute COVID-19, and we had started ivermectin. She had started McCullough protocol promptly, and you know what? She died in 24 hours of essentially a viral sepsis. She initially had a fever, and then she developed hypothermia.

And recall, a very low temperature in the setting of an infection is an ominous sign. And so I'm guessing some of those immune suppressives that she was taking for the scleroderma may be the responsible. And she was older, may be the responsible party. That is so sad. Did anybody attempt to get monoclonal antibodies in her? Because my God, that works so well. They work so well. You know, they're currently not available. She was in a rural Texas location. They did the best they could.

But, you know, I went through the whole scenario with a surviving husband. And by the time she came in, fever and then hypotension, hypothermia, before you know it, they were doing CPR, and there was no chance. It was that fulminant so i want to remind people that there's estimated about three percent of americans have still not yet had covid those are the people who still could have severe disease yeah i i during the pandemic uh or late in the hours of the pandemic the toxeluzumab had some utility in patients like this because a lot of this overwhelming immune response is what this so-called cytokine storm but i who knows you know what i mean that sometimes the body just can't can't withstand

this particularly if you're you're monkeying with the immune system with a very powerful medication it's true you know i had examined multiple times. She was so frail. And recall in a scleroderma system of sclerosis, the skin on the body gets very tight and there's a form of restrictive lung disease. She had the effects on her hands. And in that scenario, even a bacterial pneumonia like a pneumococcal or haemophilus influenza pneumonia could be fatal as well so remember the theme here dr drew is that in the setting of covid it was the frail and those who are particularly at risk for death of other pneumonias that indeed died of covid right and they get pulmonary the scleroderma patients get pulmonary hypertension,

and God knows what that did to the, maybe she had diffuse clotting or something. Who the hell knows? I mean, it's a whole thing. Well, okay. So no one ever said, at least not you or me, ever said COVID wasn't a severe illness. We wondered how severe for people who were young, which generally without risk factors, it tends to be quite mild and still is, even though, and particularly as we've gone through the incarnations of the new variants, I personally am gravely concerned about the continued sort of, the various sporadic

mandates that are out there for young people to get them to go to school and to go to college and whatnot. And when there is only risk, even though, yes, this is a severe illness and it hits an elderly patient with scleroderma and can kill them, it doesn't mean a 22-year-old is at risk of that. And giving them a product that we know in that age group in particular causes myocarditis, pericarditis, I don't understand why we're still pushing that. And it sort of also brings up the other point. I'll let you talk at length about both these issues. Why we still demand

we use the vaccines that produce the spike protein. Why we aren't using whole viral alternatives or going after nuclear capsid or something else other than the pathogenic protein. You know, so many good points.

One theme that applies to both the illness and the vaccine is what's called risk stratification, right? Not everybody is at equal risk. And, you know, those principles were never applied by our public health agencies and even not by schools or other institutions. Risk stratification is very important for the illness. I do think Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration were right,

that we really needed to take special protections for the seniors. And so those of us who had loved ones in congregate living facilities, nursing homes, and other types of institutions, that's where the mortality was. About 40% of the deaths came from nursing homes. Whereas young, robust college kids and kids in K through 12, if they were healthy, they largely breezed right through it. So we should have actually had a differential approach to the viral infection based on risk.

And the same thing is true with the vaccines. Vaccines are interesting. They're just the opposite of the illness. While the illness strikes severe disease in the elderly and frail, the vaccines seem to disproportionately hit young and healthy people with serious side effects like myocarditis. I was working through something. I believe you wrote this large encyclical on the spike protein and what can be done about it that the TWC is going to be hopefully pushing out pretty soon because it really is quite sweeping in its information.

There's a lot there for people, and I think it's accessible for people the way it's written. What have we learned? I have to show you, Dr. Joe. I have to show you my model. I have a spike protein model. So this is the virus. Let me see if I can bring it in here. Here we go.

This is the virus. Other way. Towards your tie. There you go. It's over there, other way, towards your tie. There you go. There it is. It's so hard on camera. Okay, so this is a model of the virus, and on the surface are these little spikes. That's called the spike protein.

That's where all the damage is done from the virus. The ball itself, the nucleocapsid, is benign. And humans get like four different types of these coronaviruses without the dangerous spike protein. This was engineered in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The spike protein was, and now even the CIA is out this week coming to their conclusion, the spike protein has two segments, the outer S1 segment and the inner S2 segment. And what you need to know is the spike protein is retained in the body after the infection, and then it's loaded into the body with genetic production of the spike protein from the Pfizer and Moderna, as well as Janssen vaccines. The Novavax vaccine is a set amount of the spike protein given to the body.

So the Novavax vaccine is very different than the others. So you mentioned about differences in risks in the vaccine. That's another aspect of the vaccine campaign that our public health officials have really disappointed Americans. It's been weird. It's been so weird to me. And there's also, now I know there's a little bit of concern about this vaccine, but I also have people that have been advocating for it, which is Covaxin, which is a whole viral alternative, and that we have these alternatives. And you would think that public health

would be interested in helping doctors provide informed consents to their patient. So let's say I had a, let's take kind of a on the fence case, a 55 year old female who's obese with diabetes. What if I were to go, you have to take the Moderna, you have to take the Moderna.

That is not informed consent. I would were to go you have to take the Moderna you have to take the Moderna that is not informed consent I would have to go look the Novavax provides spike protein it does have some of the same side effects as the Moderna and the Pfizer

Moderna is higher concentration more virus I've seen lots of bad side effects from both it turns your body into a spike I mean we'd have to sit down for 10 minutes and talk about the risk benefits

of each of these vaccines. And yet what people get is, take that. Take the vaccine. It's just so crazy to me. And Francis Collins, as you mentioned a few minutes ago, that the public health monolith that it has been did not help these things. Yep, Lisa Murray, we're talking about Novavax. That's one of the things we're suggesting. But that they didn't take risk-reward into account at all.

And Francis Collins is on the record saying that they did not consider. To me, malpractice doesn't begin to incorporate what I think of doctors that don't take risk-reward into analysis. I remember when I was training internists, that was sort of my number uno issue. Like, you know, why are you making these choices? What are the risks and benefits? And what's your backup plan? And never, we just have to do something.

Ever, ever, ever. That was the worst thing I ever heard from young physicians. I had to do something. That's how you harm people. But they had to do this uber alice. They had to stop this virus no matter what destruction they brought, and they brought it. And then now the same question is in my mind as it pertains to the vaccine. Why pushing so hard on these two when there are at least two other alternatives?

I mean, certainly Novavax has been around. Is it still around? I heard some rumor that it might come off. No, it's still around. So just quickly on the safety rundown, I think there's enough papers to make these conclusions. The most dangerous was Moderna, the original ones, which had 100 micrograms of messenger RNA. Then next was Pfizer at 30 micrograms of messenger RNA. The Janssen vaccine came in third.

Now, that presented special risks. It's nearly identical to the AstraZeneca vaccine used elsewhere. And the risks were more thrombotic blood clots. And then the safest vaccine was always Novavax in the United States. And as you pointed out, Covishield or the inactivated vaccines used elsewhere. Now, Senator Rand Paul broke the news, Dr. Drew, of why Pfizer-Moderna is preferentially promoted by public health agencies. And it is, by the way. Our DHS advertises it. Actually, our government does Pfizer's commercials for them on TV. It's because Pfizer-Moderna used the same PR firm, Weber Shandwick. And Weber Shandwick has an installed vaccine promotional unit within the CDC center in

Atlanta. And Rand Paul found out about this and wrote Rochelle Lewinsky and said, what is this? You can't have, in a sense, a biopharmaceutical promotion unit within a government agency, and that's exactly what's gone on. So our CDC has wrongfully presented just two possibilities and not fairly described the entire formula. My light just went out. That'll get fixed in a second by my crack wife producer. There she goes um i i do i do want to point out oh gosh it triggered my in my train of thought uh well it was i did it dr joe i cast some darkness on your show with uh you know it turns out that our CDC had a contract with Weber-Shanwick and was paying Weber-Shanwick money in order for them to promote the vaccines internally at the CDC, specifically Pfizer-Moderna.

I do believe that people like you and I should model making apologies where we get things wrong and wherever we do. I'm always looking for opportunities to apologize. I apologized to Naomi Wolf when I got some of the stuff wrong about the impact of the vaccine on women's organs, women's reproductive organs. And it occurs to me, this is another chance for me to apologize. I did not know the CDC was so adulterated. I didn't know Dr. Fauci had been compromised. And I, early in the pandemic, was saying, just listen to the CDC, listen to Dr. Fauci, they'll get us through this. I've always listened to those guys. They've helped me through my whole career. I was wrong. I apologize. I absolutely apologize. But I want to go back to the manufacturing of the virus itself. I saw someone who had privy to some of the investigational research at the CIA

and also through the House, through the Congress. And it looks like that there is a much more problematic piece of the history of that virus. I don't know this to be true, but there are people saying this on the record, that the next sort of curtain to be pulled back or the next card to be overturned is that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was testing a virus that we manufactured in North Carolina. It was actually our virus that they had some bats that we wanted them to use to test our virus. But our participation in the manufacture of these furin cream sites

and these particular elements in the virus, our hands may be dirtier than we know. More to be revealed. Yeah, that's my understanding of it. And the key go between between the Arizona North Carolina Chapel Hill and Wuhan was Peter

oh he was the leader of the eco-health alliance he's now banned from HHS programs yeah and so Peter Dasik played a key role but it looks like the virus, Dr. Drew, the virus was also worked on in the Rocky Mountain Research Laboratory in Hamilton, Montana. Interesting. That's run by the National Institute of Allergy Immunology Branch. And in a 2018 paper, they had primordial SARS-CoV-2, and they were trying to get it to pass from bat to bat. They were testing Egyptian fruit bats. And this is in a peer-reviewed publication. And so investigative author Jim Haslam has actually published a book about this, about how the virus was actually in multiple locations as teams were working on it.

Well, that brings me to my next question, Dr. McCullough. Are you supportive of onesies? Are you supportive of onesies? I need to know. Do you support these onesies? What's a onesie, Susan says. You like babies, the things that babies use. I don't think we heard you. What I'm trying to say today is it is. Pro-vaccine.

You want to ask questions. You have started a group called the Children's Health Defense. You're the originator. Right now, as I understand it, on their website, they are selling what's called onesies. These are little things clothing for babies. One of them is titled Unfaxed Unafraid. Senator, I have no power over that organization. I'm not part of it. I resign from the board. That was just a few months ago. You founded that. You certainly have power.

You can make that call. Are you supportive of this? I've had nothing to do with leadership. Are you supportive of these onesies? I'm supportive of vaccines. Are you supportive of this clothing, which is militantly anti-vaccine? I am supportive of vaccines. I want good science, and I want to protect that. Look at Megyn Kelly behind. Megyn Kelly back there laughing her ass off. Oh, there we go.

How could you not laugh? Did we lose dr mcculloch uh caleb goodness did we cut him off because of because of bernie sanders there we are you're back um uh but uh this this was part of the circus yesterday in the rfk hearings uh it really is the uh a sort of a signature moment of the desperation some of these folks were clawing to or were grabbing at. And he, as with many others who were attacking RFK Jr., are accepting millions of dollars from pharmaceutical companies. And this is exactly why RFK needs to be in that position, to tease apart all these adulterating influences,

whether it's money to campaigns, whether it's promise of jobs to FDA officials, whatever it is, journals being supported by pharmaceutical companies, this must be undone. I agree. You know, vaccines represent about, you know, way less than 1% of healthcare. And, you know, DHS, the Health and Human Services, has 17 reporting sub-agencies. So it's the regulatory agencies, the research agencies, the administration of Medicare and Medicaid, the public health service, and the list goes on and on. And to focus on onesies from the children's health defense. I mean, some parents choose not to have their children undergo vaccination. Historically, that rates about 2.5%. But I have

to tell you, post-pandemic multiple sources of data including a paper by Mawson just published in the journal science public health policy and law for Medicaid recipients you know that rate of being unvaccinated by age nine is about 10 percent. Interesting do you have the clips Caleb I'm not sure if it's in your list of clips, and I apologize for this, where RFK Jr. actually comes out and accuses people on the senatorial panel of having adverse influence of pharmaceuticals. Is that one of the— All right, let me see if I can find it. Maybe it's the—yeah. It's not important.

Dr. Drew, I was going to. Maybe it's the, yeah. It's not important. It's just he, yeah. Dr. Drew, I was going to say, I think the most obvious example is when Elizabeth Warren was trying to get Robert F. Kennedy to promise that he wouldn't sue drug companies. Yeah, he does have that one. Here it is.

You're going to take money from drug companies in any way, shape, or form. Who, me? Yes, you. Oh. Yeah, I'm happy to commit to that. That's what I figured. I said it's an easy question to start with.

And I think you're right on this question. I don't think any of them want to give me money, by the way. Let's keep going. Right. I mean, there was plenty of opportunity for humor because the whole thing was. Humorous. I mean, I'm trying to think of the right word. I mean, bizarre comes to mind, but it was farce.

It was farcical. Well, I would use the word unhinged. You know, while Elizabeth Warren was trying to get Robert F. Kennedy to promise that he wouldn't go after drug companies, it was all over social media that she's one of the top recipients of drug company lobbyist money. So this is out there. And I wonder, does she think we don't know? Well, as Aaron Cariotti keeps asking, do they think we're stupid? That's what I keep, that's sort of the thought bubble over my head. So as you look at the RFK hearings, how do you look forward to, well, first of all, how do you assess his performance?

And secondly, what do you look forward to in terms of him in that office? Well, you know, I'm a doctor like you, Dr. Drew, so I always observe people. And I do think Robert F. Kennedy, he looks tired. He does look worn out through this entire process. You can imagine the type of stress and the preparation that he's undergone. In fact, some of the questions we asking him about detailed operational procedures in these agencies. And there's just no way that he's going to know this. One of the senators asked him about, you know, how does CMS enforce EMTALA rules or something like this?

And there's just no way. I knew the answer as a doctor, but Kennedy is not. I think he's doing well. He clearly is, you know, letting the senators essentially make their soundbites for their lobbyists. That's what the senators are doing. And then they answer a question, they ask a question, and, you know and a word gets out of his mouth and then they jump all over him. And I can tell you, I've been an expert in many high level federal cases. I've testified in the Senate and the House. And so I'm experienced on the side of answering questions. And if I was in Kennedy's shoes, I tend to keep the answers short. And on these very long compound questions,

you can always figure out they're looking for a yes or no and just say the opposite. So for instance, if they said, and Dr. Kennedy, you said things against vaccines, you're an anti-vaxxer. Is it true you're an anti-vaxxer? And then he could say something like this. No, I don't quite agree with that. And then they have to ask themselves, are they going to ask the question why? And if they ask the question why, then they open the door and then he can exposit. And so, you know, I think he has to use some of those tools. Here's another one on these yes, no questions.

I asked you a yes, no question. He can say yes, and here's the reason why or yes and let me explain and then when they don't let him explain then he can just be quiet and it becomes obvious they are simply grandstanding and not trying to examine him let's hear this this looks hysterical yeah you're not going to take money from drug companies. When was it that you decided to sell out the values you've had your whole life in order to be given power by President Trump? When did you decide to stop beating your wife, Senator? Like, that's the fallacy. Right, exactly. It's the age-old fallacy that people, it's, no one can use that in court because it's the dumbest argument ever.

Senator, I agree with President Trump that every abortion is is a tragedy that we can't be a moral authority in this country right so but that isn't what you said back in new hampshire in 2023 my question is exactly when did you decide to sell out your life's work and values to get this position oh let me see i i i it was on on December 23rd at 1127. That is precisely when I decided I'm going to do that. It's too much. They've got to be. Is that what you would say?

I don't know. Dr. Drew, it's not just Robert F. Kennedy. When Kim Biondi was up there, who was confirmed as attorney general. Pam Bondi. They wanted the exact conditions upon which she would resign. How can you possibly know a resignation scenario? So these senators. I saw them do that.

They did that to Kash Patel today too, I saw. I watched a couple minutes of that. And it was the same thing. If you were being ordered to do something that you ethically, and you know, and his response was kind of good. He said, I will always follow the law. And they tried to get him by saying,

what if they ask you to do something illegal? It's like, I told you I'm gonna follow the law. I'm not gonna do something illegal. Hang on a second, Larry. Here's like, I told you I'm going to follow the law. I'm not going to do something illegal. Hang on a second. Here's somebody, a super, what do they call these things, Susan?

Super chat. Super chat. Why was Congress exempt from jab mandates? But I would lose my job after 20 years. Congressional Democrats just want the sound bite.

Yes, they do. But makes them more. All right. Thus, thus saith, let's see what his name was. I'm sorry. You know, we got to take a little break here. That is from DV8, Mr. Two. Thank you for that. We're gonna take a little break here. Dr. Peter McCullough with us. Where primarily do you want people to go, Dr. McCullough? Well, let's say you started out with, I think, probably the cardiac arrest of Damar Hamlin. Let's update on the cardiovascular issues that you brought up at the start. Okay. I do want to do that. I want to do a little bit on clotting and stuff too. How

about if people want to see more of your stuff, is the Substack the best place to go or the website? Yeah. Everyone should sign up for Courageous Discourse Substack. Get a free email every day. We've got all the graphical abstracts, the citations. It's very evidence-based and solid. Courageous Discourse Substack. Very good. Did DeMar Hamlin play this season? I don't even know if I saw him.

Yeah. He did, I believe. We'll start with DeMar Hamlin. We'll start with that. And we'll just go a couple minute breaks here. We'll be right back with Peter McCullough and then Stephanie Van Watson, the veterinarian

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That is doctor.com slash paleo valley to save money and be prepared. Dr. Peter McCullough is here. He's skinny. Yeah, Susan. I know. They're really a great nutrient source. They're very dense and low calorie and high protein, obviously. So, Dr. Peter McCullough with us.

The book is the, we haven't talked about the book at all this time, right? The COVID-19 book? You know, the book's done really well, but, you know, we started writing it in 2021, came out in 2022. Now it's already kind of three years, a gripping narrative of what happened in the first phase of the pandemic. And so now we're on to other adventures. Courageous Discourse Substack is where I like people to go to get updated. All the citations I'll give through this interview and others, you can find them on Courageous Discourse Substack. So now let's talk about clotting and cardiovascular update.

You said you wanted to make... DeMar Hamlin. DeMar Hamlin. Susan's very interested in what happened to DeMar Hamlin. I didn't see him this year. I think he played, but go ahead. Well, let's just take the virus. So recall in 2020, there were no vaccines. So we had a full year to just observe the virus. So recall in 2020, there were no vaccines. So we had a full year to just observe the virus and what the virus did to the human body. And the Italians broke the news

that the virus itself caused fatal blood clotting. This is very important. The virus causes fatal blood clotting. In fact, almost all those who die of COVID-19 after being in the hospital for weeks, there's blood clots in the lungs. That's the virus. There was a great concern among college athletes that the virus would damage the heart, so-called myocarditis. This is in 2020. So colleges had screening programs, the entire NCAA Big Ten Athletic League, that's University of Michigan, Ohio State, you know, those Big Ten schools. They had COVID-19 myocarditis screening programs, Dr. Drew.

That means when athletes got COVID in 2020, no vaccine, they had cardiac troponins, EKGs, ultrasounds, and got triaged for cardiac MRI. And in a paper by Daniels and colleagues, Daniels published in JAMA, out of screening tens of thousands of athletes, they found about three dozen putative cases of COVID viral myocarditis. No serious cases, no hospitalizations, no deaths. So it is possible that the virus causes myocarditis, but it's very rare. And the virus itself in the best studies that exist indicate that it's non-serious. A paper by Tuvali and colleagues from Israel found no increase in myocarditis above the baseline. Now we bring in the vaccines. And I went on Tucker Carlson about 24 hours after this event when Damar Hamlin went down. And I can tell you, he didn't go down because he tackled

that player. Initially, the thought was maybe it was commodio cordis, and that can occur with a hockey puck or a baseball, about over 100 miles an hour hitting an unprotected sternum. In this case, the players have breastplate pads, and the helmet is diffused, so it diffuses the energy. So it could not have been commodio cordis that caused DeMar Hamlin to go down. He had a full-blown cardiac arrest. He was defibrillated, Dr. Drew. Now he probably, this was a kickoff. He probably just drank some Gatorade beforehand because some

of the clips show that he had fluid. He actually had a lot of fluid in his mouth when they were resuscitating him. He probably aspirated. And that's the reason why he was on the ventilator overnight. But a very interesting part of DeMar Hamlin's story is, do you know, after they shocked him and they intubated him on the field, the paramedics pulled into the tunnel and they stayed in the tunnel in the stadium for a very long time, about 15 to 20 minutes.

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receive patients like this when they're unstable the paramedics do not stop they go lights and sirens as fast as they can right you know what they were doing? They were waiting to get his mom out of the stands. So you know what that told me? That told me he was rock stable. He had to have a stable blood pressure, a stable rhythm. He was intubated, but he was rock stable after he was resuscitated. They did a great job resuscitating him. And what we know is if the resuscitation is prompt and patients have a

stable rhythm heart rate, no obvious neurologic initial abnormalities, they're going to recover. So when I went on Tucker Carlson 24 hours later, I told Tucker Carlson, he's going to walk out of the hospital. He's going to be fine. And other people were saying, oh, he's brain dead. He's not going to make it, what have you. So the point I'm making is it's important when you go in the media to be right, and I knew I was right because I had some accurate inside information, and it's great news for DeMar Hamlin. He did recover. He never really stated if he took the vaccine or not.

It looked like a vaccine cardiac arrest. He went on with Michael Strahan and Michael Strahan asked him what caused the cardiac arrest. And DeMar goes, oh, I don't want to talk about it. It looked like, you know, he was told not to say the vaccine. Later on, Hamlin tried to adopt the story that it was commodio cordis. But myself and retired cardiologist Michael Goodkin, we wrote the Buffalo Bills doctors. We wrote the Buffalo Liberty News.

We said, listen, you know, it looks like a vaccine cardiac arrest. We hope he's getting proper treatment. You know, I have these patients in my clinic. They need spike protein detoxification. That's with some natural supplements. But they need a critical drug called colchicine. Colchicine treats the myopericarditis. It stabilizes it.

And in the peer-reviewed literature, believe it or not, once patients start on colchicine, they don't have recurrent myopericarditis and they don't have cardiac arrests. So this is a very important observation. If the MRIs check out okay, there's not a large segment of inflammation. The spike detoxification and colchicine is the way to go. And I know this, that the risk of repeat arrest is not the same as it is with other causes of cardiac arrest, because I had a chance to interview and examine Pilot Snow. Do you remember him? Yeah, vaguely. pilot snow yeah he was the pilot american airlines pilot who took the vaccine he took a jansen and he had a cardiac arrest about six weeks later on the jetway at dfw airport after he landed a big airplane and you know everybody had left and he was on the jetway and there's

actually a story written about him called the miracle of pilot snow and he was on the jetway and there's actually a story written about him called the miracle of pilot snow and you know what the miracle was is as the uh remaining passengers and the flight attendants were trying to resuscitate him you know how you know the pilots are kind of right there when saying goodbye to people that's when he went down and snow told me snow told me he went down like a rock. He went completely down. He doesn't remember anything just going out. As they were scrambling to get the defibrillator, one of the flight attendants, who was very alert, she called 911.

And there's two units at DFW Airport always circulating. The miracle of pilot Snow was the paramedic unit happened to be at the gate next door. And DFW has five terminals. So by luck, they were at the gate next door. They came right over. It took six defibrillatory attempts, six defibrillations to get pilot snow back. He did get a defibrillator. And I saw him about a year and a half later.

And I asked him a very important question. Did you have your defibrillator and I saw him about a year and a half later and I asked him a very important question. Did you have your defibrillator go off again? He goes, it never went off again. And you know, there's a USC basketball player, Nick Iwichuchu, he almost certainly had a vaccine cardiac arrest too. He has a defibrillator like snow and to my knowledge, it has not gone off again. So the point is the vaccine cardiac arrests are having a different profile than cardiac arrests due to heart failure or other causes. And it looks like, honestly, it's a treatable form. And so Hamlin, Susan asked, did Hamlin play? Well, you know, when he had his cardiac arrest, it was towards the end, and he was out for the next six months. He got in pads for the following season.

They let him practice lightly. I think he played about five plays in the 2023 season. But 2024, he played. He actually got to the point where he started, and he was able to contribute. He made some interceptions. He made some key plays. So DeMar Hamlin is a happy story. and he was able to contribute. He made some interceptions. He made some key plays.

So DeMar Hamlin is a happy story. I think it's likely he took the vaccine. He had a cardiac arrest and now he's recovering. I wish he would come clean, spend some time with me and other cardiologists, tell everybody what happened so we can actually help others in his situation because maybe in this case, the defibrillator is not needed. Maybe medical treatment can allow the safe course and a safe trajectory.

So it may not be all bad news for those who took the vaccine, but this lack of honesty on Hamlin's part and his doctors is really hampering this. He could be a really important story. And I want to believe that we're entering a phase now when people can speak the truth, frankly, once again, as the First Amendment seems to go back into a position where it has always belonged. But it makes me, you know, when you think about it, so a focal myocarditis that becomes a source of abnormal rhythm will resolve, right? Unless it's a diffuse myocarditis and they develop a cardiomyopathy, which is what I was always worried about, but we're not seeing that.

So when people get sudden cardiac death, it's usually ischemic, meaning blood supply is cut off, or myopathy of some type. But a transient local inflammatory myopathy is very dangerous when you have it. But once it passes, that's the end of that. Right, right. You got that. That's exactly right. And so the spike detoxification occurs with natto, kinase, bromelain, and curcumin. We have preclinical data with two of the compounds and randomized trials with the third that has a salutary effect. Wellness Company has Ultimate Spike Detox. One can buy the components separately. And then the importance is colchicine. I can't

emphasize this enough. Colchicine is used for gout. It's a special anti-inflammatory drug. It's derived from the petals of a purple flower, so the pill is purple, but it's so beneficial. It's mandatory in any form of myopericarditis, mandatory. It's in the guidelines. And now, Dr. Drew, in 2023, the FDA broadened the use of colchicine as indication to prevent heart disease in general, atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease based on three randomized trials. So it has an indication like a statin, but it's not a statin and it doesn't lower cholesterol. It works by lowering inflammation in the heart. What kind of dosing? Just one pill a day, 0.6 milligrams a day when it's twice a day there is some gi upset but at

once a day it's very well tolerated and that's the dose we use in patients with these covet 19 myopericarditis and these pleuritis these chest syndromes i liberally prescribe it because it's safe and i want to make sure my patients are covered. I don't want to see anybody else get burned with a cardiac arrest. I didn't notice that in the encyclical that TWC is preparing. We may want to put – I wondered if they wanted to put something about pharmacological agents in there because there are some useful pharmacological agents in these situations, and they're pennies. These are old-timey treatments.

And now my also understanding that over 80,000 experts and physicians have signed some sort of document asking for mRNA recall. What's the status of that? What's going on there? Well, McCullough Foundation, which is my charitable foundation, has summarized this in the journal Science, Public Health Policy, and the Law with Dr. Mary Talley Bowden. Everybody should follow her. She's been on social media. And we summarized all the calls to pull the vaccines off the market. Professional organizations like the World

Council for Health and Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, lawmakers, Florida Surgeon General Joe Ladapo. The point of this paper is that the chorus of calls to remove COVID-19 vaccines from the market is growing. Remember, the pandemic is winding down, so we don't have strong clinical indications or medical necessity. And the safety of the vaccines has always been an issue, including excess death. In this paper, there's an evidence table now. We have a dozen studies showing that the COVID-19 vaccines are associated with an increased mortality, not a decrease in mortality. Yeah. And now we can start to look at these things honestly and carefully and do the usual back and forth through the medical literature where somebody will disagree strongly with this and have an alternative position and we'll see and we will eventually get to the truth.

Right now, it's very, very concerning. What are you showing me there? It's please ask Dr. McCullough about, I understand why I would do that. Okay. Okay. Something about phosphates, kidney disease, and heart disease. Is that an early paper you published before COVID or since COVID?

Yeah, I've had a great interest in how kidney disease contributes to cardiovascular disease, and indeed it does and you know i'll just say parenthetically we're presented with quite a proposition right now and you and i have talked about it off camera and that is the the widespread use of glp1 receptor agonists like ozempic like drugs and uh you know you know they are now there's a paper out uh in jama indicating that you know half of the nation would have an indication for one of these drugs

and um you know i use them very selectively but i do have to tell you there are positive data for both kidney and heart outcomes using these drugs. Oh, of course. If it's proper medicine, proper patient, proper treatment, better outcomes. It's just the widespread indiscriminate use of anything that how you harm people. And every case has got to be evaluated in the context of the potential reward and the potential risks to that patient in the context of their socio-historical, ethical, religious, family, all that has to be taken into consideration. We've gotten to this weird phase where everybody has to get everything the same. It just doesn't work like that in medicine.

Right. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. If we've learned anything from the pandemic, we have to individualize. What's coming out of these Senate hearings is, you know what? People want to make their own choices. They don't want to be presented with a mandate of any type. And, you know, Robert F. Kennedy and DHS, they're not going to take away medicines or vaccines, but they probably will advocate for medical freedom.

I think that's true. Let's leave it there, Dr. McCullough. We appreciate as always as being here. What's that, Susan? Get on your mic. I said, let's hope so. Oh, there's no doubt in my mind. Look, I don't agree with everything RFK, as I've told him to his face.

I don't agree with everything he advocates for or believes to be true. I'm not sure I believe everything Dr. McCullough believes to be true, nor should he believe everything I believe to be true. This is how it works. But I believe he is the right man for the job at this moment, which is about dismantling these adulterating influences on not just our regulatory system, but our very government. And it's not pretty. That's what we're seeing. Dr. McCullough, thank you so much for being here. And I look forward to seeing you again soon.

See you soon. Thank you. Yes, sir. All right. Now we are going to, maybe before we get Stephanie in here, but let's just, oh, here's a question.

Okay. As a person who does not have a medical degree, what can we say to our physicians about taking an alternative to the two vaccines they are offering? Go in and say why. It's a great question. That is a great question. Why are you pushing only these two alternatives? What about Novavax? What is the risk reward of Novavax for me?

And then what about whole viral alternatives? Why are we pushing vaccines that only create the pathogenic protein? The protein that causes the damage from COVID is spike. Why do we only, only push the vaccines that produce more of the protein that harms us? I understand when it was Project Warp Speed and we needed to get something out fast. I get it. Now, we can be more deliberative about things and there are alternatives out there.

And talk to your doctor about what, and if you have real risk, I think you should take the vaccine if you have real risk from COVID. As Dr. McCullough pointed out, one of his patients died out there. Should you have boosters? Whole different question.

I'm not convinced of that because the boosters are for variants that are long ago. Also, if you have COVID recently or you have the vaccine, go to drdrew.com slash TWC and get the spike support. Well, that's what Dr. McCullough. Which is natokinase. That is Dr. McCullough's formulation. Yeah. And he uses a lot of it. I know his protocol. Yeah, the McCullough protocol is something

he has been using and developing to help people with long vaccine and long COVID. And he has great results. He does a lot of interesting things. It's not all just taking the spike protein. He looks at sort of clotting factors, all kinds of stuff. So just take a look what he's got out there. And he's a really good source of uh information he's a he's a cautious deliberative and he tries to give evidence-based information and recommendations every time i get covered i take that every time we haven't had it in a while i know we've gotten it a lot all right let's get let's get stephanie in here it's stephanie van watson you can let me get you some of her particular she is um all i see is my thing is with dr.com fatty 15 um anything else for stephanie in place else we should look for you stephanie

your website or just go to fatty yeah just go to fatty 15 and linkedin linkedin you can find me there stephanie there you go so just just to frame uh this conversation stephan, of course, well, I want to talk about this in just a second. That's her new book, The Longevity Nutrient. We're going to talk about that in just a second. But Stephanie is the veterinarian who was taking care of the Navy's dolphins and realized some of them got Alzheimer's and started examining why. And was able to find this novel fatty acid that was ultimately protective against some of the oxidating effects of aging. And she was able to isolate a particular new syndrome, a nutritional deficiency syndrome called the cellular fragility syndrome.

Why don't we start with that and then we'll go to the book. Yeah, Dr. Drew, great to be here. Yeah, so as we've been sharing the journey of making this initial discovery and Navy dolphins and finding this fatty acid called pentadecanoic acid or C15, which is an odd chain saturated fatty acid, the first essential fatty acid to be discovered in over 90 years. So a big discovery. And when we talk about essentiality, Dr. Ju, just like what you're getting to is that we know that something is essential, right? Today, we know there are only there are three essential fatty acids that are known. One is an omega-3, the second is an omega-6 and now C15,

that when you talk about something being essential, it means that we have to have certain levels of it in our body to stay healthy, which inherently means that if we don't have enough of it, right, then we're going to develop a deficiency syndrome, like vitamin D deficiency and rickets and vitamin C deficiency, and scurvy. So this was a big discovery that was really 10 years in the making of not just our work, but teams around the world of being able to uncover the cellular fragility syndrome. Sorry. And I know I get excited about this product. And it's fun to have been with you since the beginning because I saw the future when you first described what this is to me.

And describe to people. So there's a lot of, I'm trying to educate people about the notion of inflammation and oxidation. So there's a lot of marketing out there. Oh, this is going to address inflammation, address inflammation. That means nothing. And thankfully, I think the FDA is going to get on that a little bit, but there are things that happen that can downstream lead to inflammatory cells coming in and cause trouble. But before you get there, there's one of the important mechanisms is the oxidative state of the cells and what are called oxidative species. So tell people about that a little bit. Sure, absolutely.

So we can nerd out a little bit here to talk about- Well, let me just say, let me just say, let me interrupt you. I'm going to interrupt before you do. If this is too much, get the book. The book's coming out in March. Is that where we're out? That's right. March 25th. Okay. Get the book because I'm going to gush a little bit at Stephanie. She is a great writer and she's a great science writer and she's a great science writer, and she's great at making difficult, complicated science really easy to digest. So what we describe here today doesn't quite make sense to you.

You forget it. The whole history of how she got to this and this particular syndrome is discussed. Their phenomenon, this chemistry is discussed in detail in the book. And have you always been a writer? I guess maybe there's a writer, there's a writer inside. That's what, yeah, that's always been inside. Actually. It's not inside anymore.

It's in that book. I was like, wow, I wish I could write with this kind of clarity and fun. It's fun to read. It's compelling. So go ahead, talk about, let's nerd out now. Great. Well, thank you. So yeah, so we now know that when we talk about oxidative lipid peroxidation or oxidation of fats, let's talk about fats. So fats have different structures.

And we know that fats or fatty acids that have double bonds in them are susceptible to being attacked by oxygen. That creates what's called lipid peroxidation and sets up this whole- So hold on, I'm going to stop you. I'm going to stop you because you and I, you packed a little bit in there. So oxygen has some free electrons flying around

and the double bond that she's talking about is some extra electrons there and the oxygen can kind of either bind to them or can to them or can steal them or the fatty acid can steal them this is chemistry this is organic chemistry sort of one-on-one but but that's why there is some some liability there yeah i love the term liability and so when we have the more that we have of fatty acids that have these double bonds in them in our cell membrane right which is our you, basically the casing of each and every one of our cells that helps protect them. The more double bonds we have

in the fatty acids in our cell membrane, the more susceptible they are to being attacked by oxygen. So the same molecule that we need to live, right? We can't live without oxygen is in the end over decades and decades of time ends up being the same molecule that takes us down with aging. So the whole excitement around the discovery of C15 is that it is a saturated fat, which we typically think of as bad. But it ends up that these types of saturated fats called odd chain saturated fatty acids, they have no double bonds. And they're, you know, what we're talking about anti-inflammatory directly, but more importantly, just like you're talking about, Dr. Drew, is with no double bonds. They serve as a sturdy fatty acids that support our cell membrane, protect them from becoming fragile. And that allows ourselves and ourselves to last longer.

It's the key to longevity that helps explain how humans and dolphins live longer than mice in the first place. We're just basically protected against this lipid peroxidation complex. What she just did in that sentence is an entire chapter in the book. So you can go read the details there. But I also want to say that, you know, so I mentioned something about oxidized species at the beginning of this conversation, which is essentially oxygens that have become free radicals. They're trying to get electrons and the ones the ones that come in their attack not just correct me if i'm wrong right about this not just the cell membrane itself but also the mitochondrial

membranes within the cell so yeah that's absolutely right yeah so when our mitochondria aren't working well which you know we all are the powerhouses of ourselves they can they have a jekyll and hyde uh personality so mitochondria typically are good and they produce energy for our cell but when they turn bad they will actually produce reactive oxygen species these um you know toxic oxygen species that you're talking about Dr. Drew and when that happens that actually takes down the whole cell combines with lipid peroxidation, and it creates actually an entirely new form of cell death called veroptosis. So there's like a lot of new science that is coming out and that's helping us understand the importance of things like C15 to keep ourselves strong and fight off this syndrome, this nutritional deficiency syndrome, which is causing an entirely new form of cell death that's accelerating our aging.

Well, that's what I wanted to say. And that's people, you know, the feroptosis is, I don't know if it's accelerating aging or part of aging or whatever it is, you can intervene on it. You know, you can slow this thing down. You can prevent it. You can, you know, I happen to. I don't know if you have this data yet, but I happen to be of the opinion it's the first time we can really affect longevity

with supplements. This is a new era of this kind of thing. And I'm convinced that fatty can do that. Do you have the data to show that yet? As you know, the book's chock full of all the different ways that C15 positively impacts our longevity. Dr. Nick Shork, who's head of NIH's Longevity Consortium, he's been doing that for 15 years. In that position, he's been able to see anything and everything that's been put up as a candidate for longevity. And just like you're saying, Dr. Drew, Nick is saying the same thing. He's just like, he has not seen any other molecule that has the breadth of data to support longevity better than C15. And the nice thing of it is it's just, it's an essential nutrient we've been meant to have, you know,

all along. Every baby gets it at birth. Every baby mammal gets it at birth because it's in milk fat. And so when we took it out of our diets and we removed whole fat milk, we've actually created deficiencies, which is where the syndrome is believed to be present in as many as one in three of us and why younger and younger people are developing older people diseases. They're getting hypertension, high cholesterol, fatty liver disease, coronary heart disease, specific types of cancers. We keep hearing in the news, why are younger people getting these diseases? The book is intended to help to bring this whole body of literature,

over a hundred papers from around the world, so that we can have the conversation to say, we've got to look at this and understand, could replenishing our C15 help be a meaningful part of just getting our health back on track, especially for our young people? There's no doubt in my mind. And I take it, not because I think I'm deficient,

because I'm convinced it's a longevity molecule. I really think that the oxidative state of the cell and addressing the oxidized species, you called them reactive species or something. We're all talking about the same thing. This is what we need to go at. We can go at it now. And so I'm just a huge, huge fan.

So where do you want people to go what's coming next what do you want people to do with this other than buy the book in march or pre-order it now yeah so exactly so the book's available where wherever books are sold um available for um pre-order so the longevity nutrient um uh there you have it there um and um the the supplement which is the result of really 10 years of research in collaboration with the u.s navy this all started you know as we have talked about previously to help navy dolphins how wonderful that it's had a spin-out benefit um to be able to help us and so and like you had shared that the C15 molecule and fatty 15 is optimized. So it's meant it's intended to be better than what we can get from, from food. It's a free fatty acid, more bioavailable, and it hits to the heart of, you know, as we're talking

about these longevity pathways better than food alone. And so they can find on Fatty15. And then around the corner, we're going to be talking about brain health real soon. So stay tuned. Good. Stay tuned on that front. Yeah, great. Some of that's in the book too, right? I mean, it's there for people to look at when the book comes out.

And I have no doubt. I mean, look, when people talk about, I mean, in our field, they talk about hydrophilia and lipophilia and the brain is highly lipophilic because it's a bunch of membranes. It's just a ton of membranes in the brain. And so the membranes become a key piece of the health. That's right. I mean, how important it is to have the right balance of lipids in our brain, throughout our body, and especially in our brain. So we have a new study coming out about that. So this is just a little teaser, but hoping to have that out really in the coming two months. Great. And we'll bring you back to talk about it. That sounds great.

Stephanie, great to see you. It's doctor.com slash fatty15. Susan's leaning in. What's up? I saw some baby dolphins the other day and thought about you. Oh, isn't that great? They were in the ocean. They were free. She was looking out in the ocean and a bunch of a family of dolphins showed up.

Babies. Oh, hopefully they're getting some rich C15 rich fish out there. That is wonderful. And congratulations. We just had a sewage let loose into the ocean. Well, it was the South of us. So it's California.

Okay. Stephanie, thank you so much for being here. We'll talk to you again very soon. Well, it's wonderful to see you, and always a pleasure, Dr. Jerome. Hi, Susan. All right, talk soon. Cheers.

I wanted to know if they're going on a cruise, if they should get a COVID vaccine. They don't require it. Well, look, they don't require it, yeah. I am not their doctor, and it's sort of inappropriate for me to tell you, but I would just say. That's what I told them. So I would say I am not a booster fan right now at all. If that's what they're asking about the booster, I don't know what we're doing. I don't understand what I'm doing with the booster, so it's hard for me to recommend it. Number one, if she's talking about the primary

vaccine series and she's someone who has risk for serious COVID, then I think those are people that should have a vaccine series, particularly if they've never had COVID. But these are complicated questions that you should be discussing at length with your doctor. And then the question that Dr. McCullough and I were addressing, which vaccine, which is the right one for you? And how can you access these things? And what are you looking for? What are you willing to tolerate in terms of risk? And there's a lot packed in that doctors should be going over that they're really just not.

Mostly because they weren't given the information to be able to even do it. So they blindly went ahead, not even understanding there was a risk reward. There was only benefit. Nothing, no, there's nothing in medicine that is without risk. I say this all the time. My dad was an old family practitioner and he pounded me over the head my whole life

that medicines are dangerous and bad. You take them only when you absolutely needed them. I never had an antibiotic until I was 15. I remember the day he gave it to me. He was like, all right, the pediatrician wants you to take this. I guess we're going to have to. But I don't think so.

You know, he just was very, very cautious. And we have become a country that believes all is solved with these interventions, pharmaceutical interventions. And we can do wonderful things. It's a miracle in many respects. And it's also dangerous.

Caleb, you want to put up the upcoming guests here? We got a lot now on deck. I don't know if you've been fully updated on what we've got here. Yes, very nice list here. Mike Young, Curtis Hogg, Beatrice Rosen, French and British and American actress who's got some ideas about what's going on, particularly in France. Dr. Patrick Soon-Chong, he's the LA Times owner who changed his position about our mayor in Los Angeles.

Ivan May and Jay Bieber, Jimmy Dore, Robert Epstein. We've got a lot of interesting people coming. Some of these people I do not know, but Emily Barsh has been educating me about them. IMA is the singer. She had a song called Carmageddon that came out a couple of weeks ago

that went viral. People will probably remember that. It was pretty big, talked about the pandemic. Dr. Patrick Soon, you know who that is. Oh, you just, yeah. We know that, as I mentioned that. And Mike Young and Curtis, I think, or Mike is a comedian, and Curtis is a, I think next February 4th, I think that's going to be about guns. I think that's somewhat we're getting into here, the First Amendment, Second Amendment, and something I've never really talked about before, so we'll see what goes with that also.

Susan, what's up? You're leaning in again. Good, yay. Emily's favorite topic. Susan goes shooting with Emily once in a while. Do you have any pictures of that, Caleb, by any chance? Oh, there we go. You need a Glock.

The real question for all of you, though, as we end this show today is, are you supportive of these onesies? Do you support you support these onesies where do we get that where's the link for that caleb oh it's probably sold out it's like children's health defense right now yeah she means also was there a link to the spike the spike protein that dr mccullough had because somebody asked about the spike uh detox thing was it Was it? No, well, that's drdrew.com slash TWC for spike support. But was there something else? We have a thing coming out soon from TWC about the details about the spike protein and what to think about it and what to do about it and that kind of thing.

Is that what you wanted? Yeah. Is that what she wanted? Before we leave, I wanted to show something. And I think I pointed this out to you guys in email of just comparing, looking at how the media is treating RFK's hearing. So this is what the normal camera looks like. This is the normal shot that some TV places. This is what C-SPAN

decided to do, is to do it with this absolute worst possible potato lens, over sharpened. And like I said, as a producer, I'm running the show over here. This was a choice, guys. They chose to over sharpen him and make him look as sickly as possible. Someone over at C-SPAN. And look, I'm all in support of that.

What do they call it? The malicious compliance. I feel like malicious compliance is somewhat free speech. But if you get caught, you're going to get fired. But that's pretty obvious what you're doing there. Most of us, all of us, would not have seen that, but your expertise takes you there.

I showed it to my wife right away. I'm like, look at this camera and look at this feed. Now, come on, guys. Tell me, what are they thinking here? But then they tried the same thing on Tulsi Gabbard. Didn't work. You can't make her look aged or old at all. It's just flawless no matter what camera.

Did you hear her opening statement today? It was remarkable. I missed it. I want to see it. You'll find it on X. It's all over the place. It is worth. It's only about seven or eight minutes is worth the listen.

Yeah. RFK Jr. in person is very good looking and completely different than on camera. I met him in person. He's soft. He doesn't have all those hard edges. And he's tired right now, too. I mean, I don't blame him. You put on the banner

of Drew makes him look tired, too, Caleb. So, thank you. So, I'm going to run out of here and go do Laura Ingraham and also on. Are they going to let you? I guess so. And also we're airing the Gutfeld that we did yesterday. Did you ask Mike?

They were supposed to talk to you. Go ahead. Just tell them that they said they went EP to EP, but I don't know if I believe them. All right. We'll check on that. And we'll be back in Los Angeles next week. Let me just get my schedule up here and that is when we begin to talk a little bit about guns and that will be at three o'clock on tuesday february

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