Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Robert Malone Exposes Psychological Warfare Tactics Being Used Against You RIGHT NOW (And Why They’re Trying To Restrict Your Strongest Defense) – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 412

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

Psychological warfare is standard procedure for the enemies of freedom. “Every government in world history as used fear and misinformation to control the citizens,” says security expert Gavin de Becker. Knowing their tricks is the first step in fighting back. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says Dr. Malone’s new book is a “manual on how to recognize and fight the effects of methods and technologies that strive to control all information, thought, feelings and speech.” “PsyWar: Enforcing the New World Order” by Dr. Robert Malone (co-authored by his wife Dr. Jill Glasspool Malone) is available at https://amzn.to/3U3iFgn Robert W. Malone, MD, MS is a virologist, immunologist, and clinical research expert. He is credited as the original ‘inventor’ of mRNA vaccination technology. Dr. Malone holds an MD from Northwestern University and completed a postgraduate fellowship at Harvard Medical School. He has authored nearly 100 peer-reviewed publications and has been an invited speaker at numerous conferences. Dr. Malone co-founded the Malone Institute and authored the book “Lies My Gov’t Told Me”. Find more at https://rwmalonemd.com and follow him at https://x.com/RWMaloneMD 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • CHECK GENETICS - Your DNA is the key to discovering the RIGHT medication for you. Escape the big pharma cycle and understand your genetic medication blueprint with pharmacogenetic testing. Save $200 with code DRDREW at https://drdrew.com/check • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Okay. So, Dr. Robert Malone here. The book, Cywar, Enforcing the New World Order, is co-authored by his wife, Jill Glasspool Malone, PhD. You can get it, of course, at Amazon. I guess we'll have a link or something up there. You should also get onto Dr. Malone's sub stack, which is rwmalonemd.substack.com. And you can get, I imagine, links at rwmalonemd.com. And as I told you earlier, the X is rwmalonemd.

So before we get to Dr. Malone quickly don't forget susan has a calling out today at three o'clock um we have chef andrew girl coming in on tuesday scott atlas coming around elizabeth pipko cheryl akison very interesting guest coming we'll give you a whole rundown at the end of the show but right now uh i want to also mention uh dr malone authored another book called lies my government told me you can find all that at his website please welcome dr robert I want to also mention Dr. Malone authored another book called Lies My Government Told Me. You can find all that at his website. Please welcome Dr. Robert Malone. Testing one, two.

There you go. There you are. We got you now. You're in. All right. Thank you, sir. So I guess let's start with just a brief overview of the book, what your wife's contributions were, and why you decided to do this. So, as you may be aware, since you've kind of been in the same boat over the last four years, those of us who have been, let's say, not accepting the promoted narrative

have been labeled as spreaders of misinformation. Remember that misinformation is defined as anything that differs from the officially promoted narrative coming from your public health service or from the World Health Organization. So if you say something that's different from the WHO or CDC party line, then you're a spreader of misinformation. And this is my fifth or sixth major outbreak that I've been working at the forefront of. Never experienced anything like this in my history. Never seen this level of failure to comply with regulatory norms and a well-established medical ethics. And so, as I'm sure you did also all the way through this, I've objected.

And the consequence has been that I've been subjected to a barrage. Of course, nothing quite like what Donald Trump has been subjected to, but still a barrage of assaults from corporate media and social media, gang stalking, crowd stalking, trolls, bots, organized activity, the 77th Brigade, editing in my Wikipedia page, asserting that I was a liar, literally, by the Washington Post, attack article by the Atlantic Monthly, and it goes on and on and on. And I've never seen anything like this in my life and and i was taken aback at least initially kind of a dumb dumbfounded by what i was seeing and uh one is a medical professional you certainly are aware that we all have our own defense

mechanisms and some of those are more or less adaptive. The one that I default to, no surprise, is intellectualizing things. And so it's logical that we can argue about how adaptive that is. But in that stead, I tried to make sense out of what was going on inside of my wife. I know you work closely with yours. We've been partners for 50 years now. And we were both kind of taken aback by the attacks and what was going on and the isolation from our former colleagues and peers. And so on our sub stack, among other things, we have been over the last four years, really writing about what is the nature of fifth-generation warfare. What are the tactics and strategies being used? Who is behind this?

Who is deploying it? from the House Judiciary Committee on Weaponization of the Government and some of the other House committees that thankfully have explicitly provided information about some of the attacks and censorship and techniques that the government and their censorship industrial complex colleagues have collaborated on, specifically targeting me but also many others and uh you know so what we've been doing i would say mike mike ben's uh just yesterday put put out a big uh video about showing how the money was flowing to academic institutions and they were using that was their latest third party perpetrator of miss mal disinformation sort of attacks uh they were going to leave it academia to come up with the answers well uh and that's really nothing new so this is the stanford

internet observatory for instance uh all of the major academic institutions. And now I think in that Ben's article, he's talking about Arizona State, as I recall. Yes. But there's been a series of major grants. And also just today, there was tracking on what's been happening at the National Academies of Science as it relates to wokeism

and promoting other social agendas. So government has absolutely been weaponized to support various social objectives, including the goal of reducing the effect of anyone discussing risks associated with these products that are called vaccines, genetic therapy-based products. And there has been an explicit agreement between the U.S. government and the U.K. government. All of this is largely coordinated between the U.S. intelligence community and the British MI5 and MI6, including the Wikipedia editing. But there has been a specific agreement that any information which would cause recipients to become vaccine hesitant would be suppressed.

So this means that whether it's true or false, if it would lead somebody to become more skeptical and unlikely or less likely to take a vaccine, that information should be suppressed. consent has been suppressed under the dual faulty logic that the vaccines are safe and effective and that SARS-CoV-2 is a highly lethal pathogen with something like a 3%, 3.4% case fatality rate, which Jay Bhattacharya showed long, long ago, and I think he really deserves the shout out, was a false modeling. And based on actual data that he gathered from the Palo Alto area, he estimated the case fatality rate to be something in the range of a fraction of a fraction of 1%. Turns out that Jay got it right, and the Imperial College got it wrong. But the Imperial College modeling numbers were repeated throughout the world and really scared the dickens out of everybody, as we just learned, including Vladimir Putin, who called out Donald Trump asking for COVID test kits. This is what's underpinned all of this, is the lie that this is a highly lethal virus and the dual lie that these products will prevent you from becoming infected or developing severe COVID disease. Those are both

falsehoods. At the margins, we can argue that there's some... They kept saying safe and effective. Safe and effective, I think you pointed out, no one ever defined what safe or effective was supposed to even mean. And both were highly distorted. Safe and effective is neuro-linguistic programming. It's a message that's repeated again and again and again and again that we accept

into our subconscious. This is cognitive warfare in the sense that it's attacking our subconscious. And it's one of many methods. But I argue that perhaps the most significant of all of these is the weaponization of the fear of infectious disease. You know, the term existential crisis is overused, but basically, there has been a concerted effort to promote a sense of existential fear, fear of death, associated with a virus that has about the same case fatality rate as a bad influenza. We could talk about some outlier groups that that might not be the case, but for the majority of people, that is the case. And this has been used

to promote fear and compliance. And we've all been essentially trained like Pavlov's dogs to respond to this fear whistle. And it's now being repeated again and again in various test fires for monkey pox, avian influenza, tuberculosis which is a real threat, leprosy down in Florida which is a false threat and the latest one being promoted less effectively is Marburg virus which is a local problem in certain regions of Africa, but highly unlikely to become an international crisis. So that's what's going on is psychological bioterrorism. And it turns out that psychological bioterrorism, according to Alexander Kosimov, a former SGV

agent, a former Russian spy, essentially, who was focused on biodefense left the russian intelligence community and uh immigrated to new zealand and gave an interview in 19 uh uh no i think it's it's uh 2017 before all of this went down in which he laid out standard spycraft for how what he called information bioterrorism, what I call psychological bioterrorism, is deployed. And he describes in great detail the different types of communities that are used, the methods and the steps that are used to promote this kind of fear-based narrative and social disruption and economic effects that are associated with it. And by the way, he makes the point that the economic consequences of psychological bioterrorism exceed those of actual known bioterror events by something like a thousandfold or more.

This psychological bioterrorism propagates immediately. It propagates through the media, and it's extremely effective in causing economic damage, social damage, disruption of social systems, disruption of nation states, et cetera, et cetera. And for me, as somebody who's been an expert in biodefense now for a couple of decades, I read this and I was kind of on the inside, not really questioning things, just going along. This was my job. I did my little part in the machine. I understood regulatory affairs. I understood clinical research. I understood contract management, et cetera, et cetera. When I read Cosimov's piece, I was gobsmacked.

I realized that I've been had I spoke to that could deploy harmonized global propaganda in the way that we saw it deployed, message control, buying of thought leaders, et cetera, at the beginning of the COVID crisis in 2020, was the Five Eyes Intelligence Community, which is what ties together. It's the most successful intelligence alliance in the history, really modern history. And it ties together the UK, US, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia, all countries that have been notoriously authoritarian in their response to the COVID crisis, many of which participated in event 201 um we had vladimir speaking early on uh um at the lead-in about what was going on and the role of the world economic

forum uh uh and bill gates and the uh um sorry somebody's I should have turned off my phone. That's okay. No problem. But you know, if these instruments, these tools that are so effective, and we really have almost no defense against them as human beings, there were laws against them, or the intelligence communities at least, turning them towards us, towards their own citizens. I'm going to just say that my understanding is that it got turned on us when the president administration called domestic terrorism the single greatest threat to the U.S., therefore justifying turning it inward. Okay, so that's an interesting theory of the case. There have been various themes or means promoted having to do with legislation that was signed into law by Barack Obama and executive orders and the history of executive orders concerning the CIA and also, by the way, the psychological warfare divisions of the U.S. military has been prohibited from deploying their technology against domestic citizenry.

That's a false narrative. There was a change in policy that mostly related to the Voice of America. And it allowed Voice of America and some of the affiliated State Department organizations to have some of their broadcasting domestically but if you and we document this in the book if you go to to the actual records of uh in the history of the cia of course we have operation mockingbird operation mockingbird is still in play it was just kind of uh toned down this is the formal relationship between the CIA and corporate media that was largely managed through direct hires or employment or payoffs of influential writers and editors. Bernstein blew a lot of this open and documented that there was actually also within Mockingbird quite a bit of financial influence exerted by CIA over academics. That comes back to the present and what we observe with the corrosion of academic integrity. But the decision under Colby and others that the CIA was going to reduce its Operation Mockingbird activities amounted to a commitment

to no longer pay accredited journalists and presumably editors through the Operation Mockingbird structure to promote CIA propaganda. But it did not limit the use of affiliates, press affiliates that would write articles for placement in New York Times, Washington Post, et cetera, and those are still active. So the evidence is that the CIA is still influencing corporate media. And then on the side of the Cywar soldiers down in Fort Bragg, and you can look up, I recommend anybody to look up on YouTube their recruitment videos. Just look for Fort Bragg and Cywar soldiers and you'll see some interesting stuff um the rules they're signed into uh u.s army policy by our current secretary of defense

uh when he was a lieutenant general at fort bragg are that that the Cywar capabilities are not to be used domestically except in the event of a major catastrophe or other major disruptive event, in which case the Army Cywar units, and there's quite a few of them, most of them are in the military reserve, including a major one in Silicon Valley, of course, they are available to advise and support activities such as have been going on within Department of Homeland Security and CISA. Now, what you're referring to is Mayorkas' determination about two, maybe two and a half years ago, that those who are spreading misdis and malinformation, including about the vaccine products, are meeting the criteria for

domestic terrorism. And he made a series of rather broad, overreaching statements that there was going to be violence associated with the resistance to the vaccines. None of that happened. But that was what was used to justify labeling the likes of myself and perhaps even you and certainly many others like Bobby Kennedy as domestic terrorists. We've kind of all been waiting with a sort of Damocles over our neck for Mayorkas to suddenly force us into the Quad S category when we travel by air or having to be searched or otherwise on reentry into the United States when we travel abroad. So that's the real legal status. Chelsea Gabbard's status. Yeah, exactly.

She qualified, evidently. But you mentioned how when you were working with the intelligence community, you sort of kept your head down and did your own thing and thought you understood where you fit. And I hear that often from intelligence officials, which is they would say something on the order of the area I was working in was so narrow and focused. I didn't really appreciate what the bigger picture was until I picked my head up and started to look around. But you said something in the Mises Institute presentation that I want you to follow on off of that observation, which is you said you began

using the word evil. And I want you to use the word evil and how bureaucracy may be the source of a lot of that evil. So evil is a term that I never would have used before this as somebody who took themselves perhaps too seriously as an academic scientist type and responsible physician and a peripheral member of the blob as Benz would call it. It seems irresponsible or seemed irresponsible and kind of outside of any normally accepted discussion to consider somebody evil. That's a theologic term. And it presupposes the existence of this dichotomy of good versus evil, which I think now that I've crossed the line, it's important, I think, for all of us that are recognizing and acknowledging the existence of evil surrounding us to also acknowledge the existence of good. Because that tension exists and it's

important. It's so easy to just focus on the evil and forget about the good that is innate in human nature and the society around us. But in terms of evil, what I have gradually come around to is an awareness that what I'm observing and experiencing can't really be described as an emergent ethic using non-theologic language. The language of religion and Judeo-Christianity and the ethical structure associated with that is really the only language and structure that I am aware of in my background having been raised in as an Episcopalian and uh you know did my time in in school early on in Bible school Etc and I was uh you know involved in youth groups in my teens uh it's the only language that I have that effectively allows me to describe what I'm observing because it does seem to transcend any logic based on, let's say, reciprocal altruism that one would expect would be normative in most human groups. Even if we're in a transactional world where I'm only doing something for you because I

expect you to do something for me, it's still what we're observing transcends that. to be a methodical disregard for human dignity and integrity and community. These three words that I started using back in the Defeat the Mandates talk. And I find, as I dive into this more and listen more carefully to those colleagues that are more deeply schooled in theology, that the Bible in particular, being the text that I have access to, I'm not Jewish, I'm not Muslim, so I don't have access to those as reference theology for me. But in the Christian teaching, there are a lot of references to issues which I find myself grappling with, such as the business model of Silicon Valley, which is this surveillance capitalism business model, which I assert comes down to basically stealing part of your soul without your permission,

and then reformulating it and selling it as behavioral futures, essentially selling part of your soul. This is something that's spoken about, I think it's in Ezekiel, in the Bible as something that's intrinsically evil. There are things going on, not the least of which is this growing trend towards transhumanism grounded in the thesis that the human species has mismanaged the earth, mismanaged their affairs. And the time has come that the human species shall pass and we shall have the evolution of a substitute, a new alternative, a human-machine fusion with artificial intelligence management. And the belief system that is fundamentally anti-human, which seems to be strangely shared by many of the Silicon Valley moguls that seem to have come to the belief. And I'm understanding that Mr. Gates is among them. Certainly, Yuval Harari is, who notoriously is asserting that God is dead and we are gods now, we are all gods

in this new structure, we can call it the new world order, the transhuman future. And that as Zev was saying in your opener, the belief that we have excess human beings. They basically need to be culled. We need to reduce the population. We need to get rid of the useless eaters is a term that's used in this context. And underlying that is this fundamental logic structure that disregards the value of human beings and human community. These people are intrinsically anti-human. This is written about in a number of new books that are coming out and people that are kind of trying to document what's going on in Silicon Valley culture.

And I say that, you know, it's a, it's a euphemism for something that's really global now. It's not just restricted to the former Gilroy garlic fields, but is all over the world. We have to take a little break here. That's an interesting place to stop. I've got a lot more I want to get into. is all over the world. We have to take a little break here. That's an interesting place to stop. I've got a lot more I want to get into.

It's interesting what you were saying about how we as physicians don't use the word evil because we try to use scientifically accurate, clinically accurate descriptors of what we're seeing. And mass formation is sort of part of that, I think, an attempt to put a clinical kind of spin on it. But the theological orientation and the injunctions of the great scriptures are sort of inescapably lurking around. And I just find it so interesting. The T.S. Desmet is deeply spiritual.

He doesn't let it out. But I consider him a good friend, and we speak in private. And he is deeply moral and deeply theological. He just doesn't refer to it in his book. Well, I'm not surprised. I've spoken to him as well, you know, those of us that were sort of shocked by the, what seemed like insanity around COVID are all now starting to think about these issues. They were all kind of ending up here. We're still trying to stay focused on our job, which is,

you know, great minds think alike. It's an extraordinary thing to me to see this, but I do want to get into, after you take a little break, I do want to get into mass formation a little more. And I want you to think about during the break that I have noticed that, you know, as part of what the consequences of the fear mongering has been, is there's been, I'm so moderate, I sit in the middle and I see the excesses on both sides. I see this all the time. But I've seen, you know, people on the right sort of getting very paranoid and conspiratorial in their thinking. And I see people on the left getting overtly delusional. Like I've never heard so much talk about Nazis and Hitler since walking around the halls of a psychiatric hospital. That's where you would have heard that 20 years ago, 10 years ago, certainly 30 years ago.

And by the way, historically, in much closer proximity to the Second World War, only psychotic patients would bring that up. And so delusionality seems to have become part of this mass formation. So I want to tease apart more about that and how that relates to your book, Cywar. And we will take a little break. Do check out Dr. Malone on X, R.W. Malone, M.D. There he is. Thumbs up. And we will be right back after this. I'm excited to bring you a new product, a new supplement, Fatty.

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So let's get Dr. Malone back in here and continue our conversation about people in social media commoditizing pieces of our being and then using that in a myriad of ways that we don't consent to and how some of this, at least at the bureaucratic level, smacks of evil to both of us, but that we have tried to stay in the realm of what we can describe sort of clinically and mass formation as part of that. And I brought up the issue of delusionality. I'll let you have at it. Well, let's remember that the attack line promoted in part by people that have been primary researchers in nudge technology in the UK is that mass formation or mass formation psychosis is not a real thing. Overlooking the fact that the DSM is focused on individual mental health, not on group dynamics. And so it's a little bit of a spurious argument and just kind of amazing that it's being promoted by people who are researchers

in the area of nudge technology, which is exactly just so, as reinforced by Google. Remember that when I spoke about this on Joe Rogan, it became one of the highest searched terms on Google. And Steve Kirsch actually captured screenshots of Google manually manipulating search results as a consequence. And I think this was a tell that Google is very well aware of what they've been doing with the ephemeral advertising and nudging that Robert Epstein and his group have demonstrated can swing undecided voters by over 20 points in elections all across the world. So Google is very aware of the power of this kind of information warfare or cyborg to control your thoughts, feelings, beliefs by controlling all information that you have access to, and they very much don't want you to be aware of how this can contribute, the social fragmentation and other features,

can contribute to this phenomena of what's essentially a mass hypnosis, as described by Hannah Arendt, Sigmund Freud, all way back to plato and the allegory of the cave this is not something that matthias came up with despite the accusations and certainly not something that i came up with but drew i'd like to touch on something that you were mentioning right before the break which is the weaponization of the term fascism. And I recently wrote an essay in our substack, which you can, it's now rebranded as Malone.news, because that gets around the Twitter X shadow banning algorithm somewhat. And that is that there's a long academic discourse that's been going on about what is the nature of fascism and fascist totalitarianism and how did it arise? And I put out an essay about this titled Paved with Good Intentions just a few days ago and made the argument that it emerges at the intersection of utilitarianism, socialism, and corporatism. It's not a phenomena of the right. It's always been a phenomena of the left and of the junction

that occurs repeatedly throughout history of corporatism, which is what Benito Mussolini asserted should have been the term used instead of fascism, but the junction between corporatism and socialism. And this is precisely what's being recapitulated as we look out over the landscape of who are the puppet masters here. going on in the United Nations in their alliance with the World Economic Forum and their new agenda 2030 of course that was signed as a treaty by Barack Obama just as he was leaving office and then has been promoted now with the pact for the future uh what what the un is grounded in is fundamentally socialism the un director general used to be head of the socialist international before that he was the head of the socialist party in portugal he arose um politically uh formerly an engineer student uh within the socialist party of Portugal after the Salazar revolution. And he is a full-on card-carrying socialist. And if you look at Agenda 2030 and what's being

promoted and now being accepted and promoted by many of those that the likes of Kash Patel or Mike Benz or others would assert as the uniparty. It's fundamentally socialism, and it's not socialism light, aka Bernie Sanders, it's full metal jacket socialism. And it is paired with corporatism. This, together with the logic of the ends justify the means, which is the core tenet of utilitarianism, is what is recognized by political scientists as fascist totalitarianism. And that's not hyperbole. Now, what's odd or not is that the corporatist press, which behaves in the interest of the corporatists, no surprise, they're owned by the corporatists, You wouldn't expect a scorpion to behave other than as a scorpion. So when we see the Washington Post and its propaganda in the New York Times,

Atlantic Monthly, et cetera, et cetera, we're seeing the embodiment of corporatism in its propaganda outlets. And this has always come from the left. This repeated assertion that the likes of Javier Millie and Giorgia Maloney and Marie Le Pen and Donald Trump, these populist center-right politicians, are fascists, that's just weaponization of a term. And it is projection. It doesn't reflect the reality the people that are making these statements in fact i believe are acting consistent with the political science definition of the term fascism or fascist totalitarianism and i think that we need to stop pulling our punches this is something that we've been taught we shouldn't talk about. We shouldn't talk about Hitler. We shouldn't ascribe, and I'm not saying that any of those

that are saying this are followers of Hitler, but they seem to be consciously or unconsciously recapitulating much of the same trajectory that occurred in the early part of the 20th century in Europe, particularly in Italy and in Germany. And it's a real risk. And we need to stop, you know, deflecting our eyes and not confronting the truth of what we are encountering and calling things by their real name. That's something that has happened all the way through this is the renaming, the redefining of our language as a way to manipulate our ability to think. Words have power. Words like anti-vaxxer and the redefining of anti-vaxxer to include anyone who is not okay with vaccine

mandates. Come on, those are two different things. I have seen plenty of hardcore anti-vaxxers. A number of them hate me. Well, you know, I don't have a comfortable, happy place in children's health defense anymore because I used to work in the vaccine industry. And there are a slew of haters and trolls within CHD that don't pull their punches about me and God bless them. But a lot of them are traumatized. They have, or their children have experienced serious side effects and they're hurt and angry. And my heart goes out to them, but I wish that they didn't have quite so much hate for me. But their angst— I want to talk in a minute about your experience in Japan recently and your Substack article.

But before we do, because we're sort of bleeding over towards vaccine, before we do, though, when I spoke to Matthias on this program, Matthias Desmond, and this issue of fascism is sort of what I'm zeroing in on. What he agreed with me on was this whole phenomenon of mass formation

and the evil bureaucratic structure. It really started with Louis XIV. And the Jacobins came in and wanted to take over evil bureaucratic structure. It really started with Louis XIV, and the Jacobins came in and wanted to take over his administrative state, and have the people be the administrative state, and then they had to force them to be free, as Rousseau says. Remember, and the Jacobins were also closely allied,

as I recall, with the Catholic Church. They were very much promoting a religious, theologic bent. And of course, they became brutally vindictive. Madame Guillotine rocked and rolled under the Jacobins. And paradoxically, there was blowback. It set back the cause of Christian religion in France for centuries as a consequence of their kind of overbearing advocacy for it. All of these things have blowback. And it's overlooked again and again, this extremism.

You were talking at the start of the segment about extremism on the left and extremism on the right. And they both, what they both do is they damage the ability to communicate to the persuadable middle, which frankly, the only people that matter, the only people that matter. 70% according to Mattias says that's 70%. The 20% that are hypnotized are hopeless. Those of us that through the bullshit flag early are persuaded. We can't be persuaded the same way, or God who knows.

But that 70% are the ones that need to get on board with reality. And you pointed out in Mises' interview or presentation about the banality of evil and how that 70% could go along in the wrong way if you're not careful. Yeah, so this again refers to Hannah Art's classic work, Eichmann in Jerusalem. And what people don't really comprehend what I think what Hannah Art is going at at and many people criticize her for it. What her point is, is aligned with what we've seen in our profession. The logic that I'm just doing my job. I'm doing what I'm told to do, following authority, and I'm executing on the tasks and I'm not really responsible for my actions because I am merely a cog in the machine. And this is the essence of Hannah Arendt's banality of evil argument, is that Eichmann,

you know, was really a fringe player. Yes, he did evil things, there's no question about it, but he did so in following orders. And this is what gives rise to the logic that following orders is no refuge. When you are breaching major ethical rules, such as the fundamentals of ethical consent, informed consent. Right. That's right. There it is. Yep. There it is. ethical consent, informed consent for a patient. That's right. There it is. Yep, there it is. Each of our colleagues needs to really examine his or her relationship with that experience.

And I saw it writ large during COVID. I mean, anybody, everyone believes they would stand up to the Nazis or they certainly wouldn't ever be a prison guard. And yet if you called Tim Waltz's report line or if you told somebody they have to mask up between bites, something insane like that. Or as I encountered, I was trying to get into my hospital to get a vaccine, actually. And a security guard stood at the door screaming at me, where are your papers? And I thought, oh my God, here it is. This is it.

It looked like a movie border crossing from the 40s. And I was like, this is it. This is how the average German became a prison guard. I want to riff on this. So I've had the privilege of being in Romania a few times over the last year and actually lecturing in Ceaușescu's palace. That's another story. But here's the key point. The European Union tried to impose the vaccine passport green card system across the entire European Union, of which Romania is a member. And the Romanian people, having overthrown and literally killed their former leader, Ceausescu, are well familiar with totalitarianism. And as this attempt was made by the Romanian government in compliance with

their European Union overseers, and that's another thread, that's the future of what the UN wants, it's basically the EU model for all of us. The people of Romania basically said, hell no, we're not going to do this. And they wouldn't comply with the jab. They wouldn't comply with the passport system. And they went on strike. And it went on for like a couple of weeks. They shut down the economy. They shut down the entire system in Romania.

And the government backed down. As a consequence, if you examine excess all-cause mortality, that single variable that we're able to access that is like the only data point that has any integrity throughout the COVID crisis, what you see is that Romania's all-cause mortality levels are far lower than almost any other European Union nation. They said hell no to the jabs, and as a population, it appears that they benefited from doing so. And what that demonstrates, as well as this topic that we're going to get into of what's going on in Japan, is that if people, the average people, the unwashed masses, the useless eaters, those that are of the physicals class as opposed to the virtuals, you know, there's a lot of

ways we can phrase it. If they all stand up and say, hell no, we're not going to go along with this, change does happen. We saw that with Bud Light. We saw that does happen. We saw that with Bud Light. We saw that with Target. We saw that with Harley Davidson. We saw that with John Deere. I'm talking about the ESG agendas and DEI.

And we're seeing it across the world. People despair and they think that there's nothing they can do and that they're powerless. But I want to make a clear, unambiguous statement to all. If we have the courage of our convictions, we can make a difference as individuals, as communities, and in aggregate. It's happening all over the world. We just have to be clear. We have to be clear we have to be morally clear and we have to act with conviction based on our own morals and if we do that in aggregate I think we can change the trajectory of what's going down here I certainly hope you're right I you know looking for solutions to this it's it's

been quite an experience and a big shock. I mean, I was practicing medicine all these years. I didn't expect to be talking about this stuff at this stage of my career. It's like, isn't it wild? But here we are. So talk to me about Japan. What happened over there? So it's been a strange journey. The International COVID Summit, now rebranded as the

International Crisis Summit, began almost four years ago with an invitation from a senator in Italy to speak actually at the Italian Senate in Rome. And who's going to say, no, I'm not going to go speak in the Italian Senate in Rome. That's an obvious one. So an easy draw. And that was a success. We said nothing about vaccines because we were prohibited from doing so. We spoke about early treatment and brought people from all over the world. It was the first major collection of people talking about early treatment and alternative treatment therapies for SARS-CoV-2 disease. brought people from all over the world. It was the first major collection of people talking about early treatment and alternative treatment therapies for SARS-CoV-2 disease. And that led to a series. We've spoken at the European Parliament in Brussels. We've spoken in France.

We've spoken in Romania, et cetera, et cetera. And the most recent one was the invitation to speak in Japan. And for some strange reason, there is a Malone thing in Japan. I have no idea how it happened. I don't know if it's the beard or what, but there it is. So this is the second time I was also asked to go to Japan's CPAC, but I couldn't schedule it. So I go there, and I had been aware that a year before, they had jammed through authorization for self-replicating RNA vaccines. case of a regulatory authority apparently captured by industry, soft peddling application of regulatory norms and non-clinical testing before allowing something to proceed into humans, a technology.

And in the case of this self-replicating RNA vaccine, there has been a clinical trial, a phase three, a larger phase three clinical trial performed in Vietnam, as I recall, but it's fairly short term. And it had a striking imbalance in adverse events between the control group and the experimental group. There was quite a few adverse events in the experimental group, less in the, I mean, in the control group, less in the experimental group, that is a red flag that something's going on. Because at a minimum, they should be balanced. You know, and normally you see

more adverse events, they may be non-significant or, you know, clinically mild in the treatment group, because all drugs have toxicities. But this was upside down. But nevertheless, the Japanese regulatory authority allowed this to proceed as a partnership between a Japanese company and the American developer and an Australian manufacturer, Commonwealth Serum Laboratory, Sarkturas was the pairing. And there was a decision by the Japanese government that this product, a COVID vaccine producing the spike protein, which I think we now widely acknowledge, even though I was told I was a liar for saying it, is a toxin. I think spike meets all the criteria of a toxin. And in this case, smaller doses of RNA with lipids

are being administered to the patients, about a one-tenth of the dose. The adverse events are about the same as with Moderna and Pfizer. Profile, of course, because it's spike-dominated. And there was, once again, no testing of the risk of shedding. And I'm intimately aware, this is the whole genesis of my work with RNA, was that poliovirus RNA is infectious. Naked RNA can be infectious, particularly if it has viral features, which is what these self-replicating RNAs do have. They're built off of an equine encephalitis virus. They include the polymerase and the replication sequences

in addition to the payload, the spike protein encoding RNA. So one of the problems with this alpha virus-based technology all the way through, I've followed it my entire career, you know, it's 30 years now in development, is that it is associated with, you guess it, encephalitis. There is neurotoxicity associated with these encephalitis viruses, and that has been a chronic problem in all of the attempts to apply alpha virus technology for gene therapy or for vaccine purposes. And so it seems highly probable that some amount of this material will make its way across the blood-brain barrier because they are lipid nanoplexes. And if so, it will likely cause, with the replication of these products and expression of both spike and the polymerase,

will be associated with some degree of neuroinflammation. And in the Japanese case, they're going into the elderly population. So in Japan, the elderly are a particular protected class. They kind of are seen as the, you can think of it as the cultural memory. They are the those who maintain and transfer cultural memory in history throughout Japanese culture. They're super important and they're being targeted for this product, a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine in a case where virtually everybody in Japan has already been infected with SARS-CoV-2. So once again, what is the marginal benefit when we have a relatively mild SARS-CoV-2 currently circulating? Everybody already has what's termed natural immunity.

And they're going to test out this unproven tech on this population and they've done no shedding studies. Remember, as I mentioned, mRNA, naked mRNA is infectious. It people in Japan, a population, a culture that is historically very, very compliant. They're like the Israelis with any mandates coming from the government. And yet there is a groundswell of protest against the deployment of this technology and these products into particularly the elderly population. But they're seeking approval for the children also, of course. And so this was a major focus in our meeting in Japan, and the Japanese advocates that were focused on this kept using the term, which I objected to, I think it kind of overstates it, and it's disrespectful, they kept calling it the third atomic bomb being deployed by the United States in the Japanese

people. And, you know, I think that's overstating the case, but I certainly can respect that that culture might see things through that lens. And so on the last day of our meetings, we held meetings in Parliament. I testified in Parliament, in the Japanese Parliament, because it's always something we do with these ICSs. And we had meetings and presentations from Japanese scientists and scientists from all over the world. And then on the last day, Saturday, right before the Rescue the Republic rally in D.C., there were protests held in downtown Tokyo that were about 30,000 people.

And then what's come across the transom just today is from one of the key organizers on the Japanese side of this set of meetings and the protest, that in fact there is almost no uptake associated with this product. So it's another case of where a population has basically said, hell no, we're not going to go. We've had enough of this and we're not going to comply.

And this comes in the face of a statement that I document in the Substack. I provide a copy of it from the CEO of the Japanese partner company, a public statement that he made, I think on October 8th, in which he asserted that those who are spreading misinformation about their products, including questioning the lack of data on shedding and the risk of ongoing replication of these self-replicating RNAs would be subjected to legal consequences,

including attempts to have them arrested by the CEO. Now this follows the Covaxin story in India, where there was a peer-reviewed academic publication that came out criticizing the protein-based vaccine in India called Covaxin for SARS-CoV-2, in which the company sued both the journal and the actual authors. The journal immediately withdrew the publication, even though it had been through rigorous peer review. And the authors all scurried, you know, because they don't have deep pockets like the corporation does. And it appears that we're now moving into a new phase where lawfare is being weaponized by the pharmaceutical industry as part of their marketing and propaganda toolkit. And it's being done in Japan. But the people are wise to this in Japan. They're not complying.

And I think that the atmospherics of a CEO threatening anybody who questions the safe and effective narrative with jail time and financial consequences is really not very effective from a propaganda and marketing standpoint. And perhaps the pharmaceutical industry needs to rethink this particular strategy, even though it's being so effectively used by governments across the world right now. So we agree that the spike protein is pathogenic. Do you object to Covaxin? I always wonder why Covaxin being a whole viral alternative wasn't something that was provided. So that gets a little complicated in terms of my position.

I have not reviewed the data on Covaxin. I am absolutely early on supportive of the idea of development of subunit vaccines for SARS-CoV-2, particularly ones in which the spike protein is not active. Bloody hell, here, I got to just tell this person I can't talk right now. It's okay. We're going to wrap up and I'll tell them five minutes. Give me five minutes. Drew's not the only one who does that.

So, so, uh, um, now I've lost my thread. Uh, the, uh, we're talking about Covaxin and Novavax products, as well as with the adenovectored products, another gene therapy technology, is they're still instilling a toxic protein. It's coming from different sources. In the case of Novavax, it's made in caterpillars. In the case of Covaxin, it's made in cell culture. In the case of the advectors and thein, it's made in cell culture. In the case of the advectors and the mRNA, it's made in your own body, but it's still a toxin. And a toxin is as a toxin does. And so what's interesting from an academic standpoint, it's a little perverse,

is that you can compare the adverse event profiles of these different products and use kind of a subtractive approach to infer the adverse events that are associated with the delivery platform and other aspects like the pseudouridine as opposed to those associated with spike because you'll see a certain profile like the cardiotoxicity and the coagulopathies that are associated with spike. And you'll see that across all of those platforms. Now, the solution, potential solution, if we really even need a vaccine, and my position is we don't need one at this point. We've all been infected. We all have natural immunity.

Get over it, guys. Move on to your next fear porn. But in terms of these products, it was absolutely feasible to produce an inactivated immunogenic spike protein. And in the frantic rush to jam something through the system. Those at the Vaccine Research Center, Moderna, Pfizer, BioNTech, all basically just reached for the off-the-shelf solution that had been pioneered for SARS-CoV-2. I agree with you, and I could justify that in the darker hours of the pandemic,

but I cannot understand why they're having adjusted course, why the continued push, and every time data comes out about, oh, COVID is so dangerous, it's always January 2020 data. It's always alpha and delta data, always. And nobody's studying Omicron. And then the push continues. It's so hard for me to understand it. It plays, you know, it becomes increasingly difficult to refute the thesis of the outlier depopulation agenda fans.

Well, I see how people would go there. I see how it happens. But again, it may be just the banality of evil, the dysfunction of bureaucracies that they can't adjust course. They can't do it. They can't. And they can't.

So the CDC absolutely can't come to terms with the fundamental evil of what they've done with their lying and data manipulation. And that's the uh you know the sliver of hope that in my opinion I'm going to voice uh this is going to be disinformation uh because it has a political aspect to it so watch out here um I'm giving you foreshadowing uh I hope that uh Trump wins and that Bobby is able to play a major role in the HHS transition and in leadership in HHS because he wants to refocus NIH and the whole HHS system on wellness as opposed to disease interventions. And the investigation and proving of largely oil-based pharmaceuticals and biologics.

And we have to break the stranglehold of these dual function agencies that are set up to both promote an industry and regulate an industry. This is the problem with USDA. This is the problem with USDA. This is the problem with FAA. And it is absolutely the problem with the HHS baby on institutes of CDC, FDA and NIH. And the only person that I'm hearing talk about it is Bobby and those that are surrounding him like Tulsi. And we're starting to hear Donald Trump using those words. We're hearing nothing about that from their opponents. And it's a naive article of hope that we might see a pivot towards a focus on wellness and health and promotion of health and healthy eating.

There's another thing we write about in the Substack is being well. And a removal of these toxins from our grains, the use of desiccants such as glyphosate, these things are toxic. And they are in, you know, we just learned about the problems with the dental caries and that long-term solution, quote-unquote, that turned out to be a problem. So, you know, we have a fundamental problem here. But I will leave it with that naive kernel of hope that at very minimum, the bureaucracies can be turned and maybe changed in such a way that they are not running amok the way they have been.

The book is Cywar. I suggest you get it, read it. He gets into a lot more. I've heard him talk about this book. And he starts from first, he and his wife, your wife, Jill, right? He and his wife, Jill, start from sort of first principles about how things have run amok so severely.

And even there, I think you come up with some interesting ideas and hope for the future. So I appreciate you coming in today and sharing all that with us. Again, follow Dr. Malone, R.W. Malone, MD on X. Have I left anything out before we wrap this thing up? I think that's pretty good. Let's leave everybody with hope. If this is not a bleak scenario, we just have to buckle down and get to work.

Yeah, it could be if you don't. So let's pay attention and the fact that we have found ourselves here in this extraordinary time talking about extraordinary issues that we never expected being a part of. So be it. We'll have to do so. So thank you, Dr. Paul. We'll see you again soon, I hope. Thanks for having me on.

You bet. And then our list coming up upcoming guests as I said we've got Scott Atlas coming in here we've got Susan Singh this afternoon she'll tell you about in a second Chef Andrew Gruhl Elizabeth Pipko, Cheryl Atkinson and Viva Fry

Emily Kaplan, Salty Cracker on November 7th we'll be back to talk post post election it'll be really interesting to see what he has to say. Susan, 3 o'clock today. What's going on? It's Weather Wars with Colby Rebel. And we also have Lori Gregg,

our psychic mediums, and Dan Wigington, who's going to tell us about his conspiracy theories regarding weather. And it's an interesting topic. And you've got some interesting guests coming that they're going to talk.

Isn't Colby going to read somebody also? I don't have any makeup on, so don't look at me. Okay. Oh, I look a little freaky there. Susan, let's talk about your show. Isn't Colby going to be there reading some people? Yeah, she's here actually. She's here now? Yeah. Oh my Colby going to be there reading some people here actually. So she's here now.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. I look spooky in that. You're fine. Relax. Okay. October. It's spooky season.

I know. I look like a gnome. Are you, you're doing a Halloween show from New York, right? Doesn't that happen? Yes, we are.

We're going to Hudson yards for Halloween. Okay. That'll be fun. Pittsburgh. Same night. Oof. Same night to Hudson Yards for Halloween. Okay, that'll be fun. And then Pittsburgh, same night. Oof. Same night. That's interesting.

Yeah. Okay, so looking at the schedule, I will see you all on, this is Thursday, on Tuesday at 3 o'clock. And let me just put up there again who the guest is so I don't screw that up. That will be Chef Andrew Gural, who I think will be in the studio. And again, Scott Atlas, I'm anxious to talk to him. Elizabeth Pipko should be interesting. I think Elizabeth may be in the studio too, so we're going to have some in-studio guests coming up. So I will see you next week at 3 o'clock Pacific time on Tuesday and Wednesday.

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