Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Robert Malone (mRNA Vaccine Tech Inventor) on Dr. Fauci, Mass Delusions, Psywars & Psyops w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 210

Episode Date: April 30, 2023

The last time Dr. Robert Malone was on Ask Dr. Drew, we were banned from streaming for a week on YouTube. Why is it so controversial for an inventor of mRNA vaccines to speak about mRNA vaccines? The scientist, physician, writer and podcaster speaks LIVE with Dr. Drew and Dr. Kelly Victory about Psywars, Blackrock, Mass Delusion Psychosis / Mass Formation Psychosis, and major news media’s dedication to Big Pharma even when it costs them hundreds of millions of dollars. Dr. Malone was previously on this show in August 2022: https://youtu.be/aUZ7gynsoUU Dr. Robert Malone received his medical degree from the Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine. He completed the Harvard Medical School fellowship in 2016 and was scientifically trained at the University of California at Davis, the University of California at San Diego, and at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology laboratories. Though he is recognized as the “inventor” of mRNA vaccine technology, Dr. Robert Malone has spoken widely about the risks and side effects that he believes are associated with his own discoveries. Follow Dr. Malone at https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD and https://RWmaloneMD.com. Read his Substack at https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/ 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org and https://twitter.com/DrKellyVictory. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome, everybody. We are very excited to welcome our guest today. It's, of course, Dr. Robert Malone, whom we've had in the past. And inevitably, when three physicians get together and discuss clinical matters, we get silenced. But things have gotten a little bit better in recent months and years. However, we are going to take a minute to look back at some of the phenomenology that we've all been subjected to. Dr. Malone, of course, is a physician, scientist, writer. He went to Northwestern Medical School, Harvard Medical School Fellowship, and then trained in his molecular biology at University of California, Davis, and at the Salk Institute and Virology

Laboratories. He is thought of as one of the inventors of mRNA technology and has had thoughts about it. God forbid somebody who is a scientist and physician have thoughts. But today we're going to focus in a little bit on the PsyWars, PsyOps. Dr. Kelly Victor, of course, is here with us. And she was a psychologist before she became a physician. And she's got a lot of interesting questions. We're going to bring her in here real early. Let's get right on to it. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre.

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One is we have Dr. Fauci in a New York Times article looking back and saying, what are you talking about? I didn't tell anybody to really do anything. I was just giving suggestions. Wow. And we have some data out of the UK from the ONS that they found that the death by vaccination status, something that Steve Kirsch has been asking for in this country, nine out of 10 COVID deaths over the last two years in vaccinated patients,

higher, more likely to die with three or more vaccines. Now, we can argue about the fact that 90% of the people in the UK are vaccinated. Maybe it's just reflective of that. And perhaps the multi-vaccinated were sicker or older. But it's worthy of a conversation. At least they gave us the data a year later. So let's get to my guest. Of course, Dr. Robert Malone is a physician, scientist,

and has been someone at the forefront of trying to help us understand some of the controversies in this recent pandemic. Welcome, Dr. Robert Malone. Hi. Sorry, I have to broadcast here from the car, but I'll do my best. We will take you in whatever condition you present yourself by any means necessary. So you've been talking a little bit about some terms that I'm not sure I fully understand. You were the first person, the first time I've heard the words mass formation psychosis. I've heard it multiple times from other psychiatrists and mental health professionals since. But now you're talking about psywars and psyops. Tell me about that.

Well, first off, regarding mass formation, which is technically the correct term, I started using mass formation psychosis because it was the term used in two of Matthias Desmet's first podcasts. And since then, Matthias has become a friend of mine. By the way, he just recently wrote a Substack essay in which he discussed the origins of the term mass formation and mass formation psychosis and clarified the attacks that I've received that I had invented the term in some way and that this absolutely is not the case. In terms of side wars or fifth generation warfare, this is another term that is now being attacked. I was the other day asserted to be a anti-government disinformation specialist, I guess, by the, what was it? The Anti-Defamation League. And so that's their position.

But in fact, fifth generation warfare and cywar are terms that have been used for decades. And there's good literature about it. So you want to get into what is 5G warfare? Sorry, we had a little fart in our connection here. But I'm really mostly interested in using these concepts that I don't really understand to understand what we went through and why it was so extraordinary and why they were so effective and what's wrong with us that we fell for it, if anything, and how this phenomenon took the whole world in. So Fifth Generation Warfare, or Psywar, is a group of technologies and an approach to conflict that has emerged largely in response to the insurgencies of the Viet Cong, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban.

And it's a suite of technologies and capabilities that you could think of as an extension of marketing technology, deeply rooted in psychology, that is designed to be able to influence the thinking, mind, and the emotions of individuals. It is really the core basis for what we call the algorithmic control of information that's deployed by most social media, but it's so much more than that. It's a suite of technologies, tactics, and strategies that are used by militaries throughout the world in order to infiltrate really the thought space of the opponent in a subtle, low-energy way, typically in a leaderless fashion. So if it's clear to the populace that's being impacted that they are being subjected to this psyops type technology, then the perpetrators,

the folks that are pushing that information have actually failed. So it involves the whole range of approaches that we've come to be familiar with in social media, the use of trolls and bots. It involves things like crowd stalking, which is now being used by the cyber stalking that are being used by the CDC against physicians. So that's one of the things that's happened. You asked what's happened to all of us and why have we been influenced by this technology. Physicians and medical scientists have been specifically targeted. This came out in a recent article with whistleblowers from Epoch Times that disclosed the Foundation for CDC had set up a contractor which had then assembled groups of folks on social media and would then broadcast out targets and alerts to that group when physicians who were speaking in ways that were not approved

or were considered to be misinformation would then be attacked. And on social media, they would work in concert to try to deplatform them, work in concert to try to get them fired from their jobs, and work in concert to try to get them, get their medical boards to take their licenses. So this is one aspect, but it's, like I said, a whole suite of psychological manipulation technologies that are commonly deployed through social media and of course through corporate media have i answered your question at least as a start yes for sure uh and i i um watch my wife's producer wife behind the screen her hair stand on end when you talk about this because she's been convinced that china was

actively involved in these kinds of activities for quite some time. They are. China absolutely is. But in the case of the Five Eyes nations of the US, Great Britain, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia, it's also been military psyops units that have been deploying this tech against their own citizens. And that's been very well documented in a variety of FOIAs with subsequent newspaper articles in all of the five ice nations. In the UK, it's called the 70th National Games. Is that what we're seeing? Two quick questions is, and then I'm going to bring Dr. Victory in here because she has a million questions on this front and I want to get her in as fast as possible. A, is this what we were seeing evidence of on the Twitter files that dropped with Matt Taibbi and Schallenberger

and those guys? A. And shit, my other question. Go ahead and answer that one first. Yeah. So the Twitter files certainly provide more supporting documentation for the deployment of intelligence community assets and also Department of Homeland Security assets seeking to influence both directly and algorithmically the functionality in Twitter. And by extension, I think we can infer YouTube,

Facebook, et cetera. Yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure. No doubt. And so I remember my question which was, we have these extraordinary comments by Justin Trudeau and Anthony Fauci and Michelle Walensky, who are all now like, I don't know what you're talking about. This was, this is, what do you mean? I never saw, I know. I wonder, I'm going to ask you to speculate. This I know is pure speculation. I wonder if they didn't know these things were underway and have just recently discovered they were and are like not feeling good about it. That, so Dr. Drew, I, one of the ways that I've managed to keep myself relatively clean is by not speculating. And if I don't see documentation or receipts, if I don't see receipts about what people are doing, then I try not to pretend that I can get in their head. However, it is quite clear that, for instance,

you mentioned Walensky, and of course, we have others that were in the original commission with Dr. Fauci that have used language such as, "'Well, we didn't know that the vaccines would work. "'We hoped that they would work.'" So it's hard for me to accommodate these protestations and assertions of ignorance. Remember that Dr. Fauci claimed loss of memory under a sworn oath to the Attorney's General lawsuit, I think 160 times. These are folks that are, you don't get to that kind of a position in DC bureaucracy

with let's say your integrity intact. And that's just the way the business works. I, it's one of the things that happened was that Trump declared a whole of military response just to put a pin on it in terms of who launched this. And with that came in the military psyops operations and in the UK, MI5 and MI6. So makes sense. We've known that it was happening. It is very hard for me to believe that Mr. Fauci was ignorant of this. Rochelle Walensky, I don't know what to think about her. She seems I just don't know how to understand Rochelle Walensky and her gaps in understanding. But Mr. Fauci has, of course, testified that there was no gain-of-function research funded by his operation. And we have the former director of the CDC directly contradicting him that it was funded by NIH, DOD, State Department, and USAID. And then once again, Judicial Watch has found the receipts through their FOIA actions,

and we have an extensive body of over 500 pages of documents from the contract award proposal and annual reports from EcoHealth Alliance that clearly document the gain-of-function research for both SARS and MERS, by the way. Yeah. So we're going to take a little break, Dr. Malone. I'll give you a little breather here while I bring Dr. Kelly in in about three minutes. But I just want to say that I'm having the strangest emotional reaction to this material because on one hand, I am mortified meets disgusted with what we've been through and what we're learning was happening and how i and fine i i'm okay with these people saying we didn't know then why the certitude why the why why the destruction of anybody who had alternative

opinions why get out there and say categorically this is so and what do you not understand how media works do you not understand the impact of your words it reminds me of the guys uh signing the uh hunter biden thing about yeah documented like we didn't know we were just saying it looked like russian misinformation we're just saying it looks like it this is bullshit this is bullshit yeah this is incredible we have to hold these people accountable. RFK said something incredible yesterday. He said, as somebody asked him, what would you do as president if you were to bring this country together? You know what he said? Get them to stop lying to us.

Stop lying. Stop lying and we'll kind of come together on our own. It would make a huge difference. And by the way, explain yourself and apologize. I'll accept it, but stop lying. All right, we're going to take a little break. Be right back. You're a little wild.

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We're having technical problems on Rumble, which is very rare, but I don't know if it's... I'm sad because 8,000 people are waiting. Dr. Malone is radioactive, and he caused the whole thing to fall offline. The website's down, yeah. But the other thing, as long as we're, I just want to quickly,

before I turn Dr. Kelly Victory loose on you, some stuff came through on the chats and stuff about questioning your background, your being called an inventor of mRNA technology. Why is that an issue? I don't have a horse in this race. I just want to give you a chance to clarify that. I don't know what the comments are. I get criticism from the left and the right.

I have a group of about eight different cyberstalkers that are constantly making stuff up about me. In terms of my role in the invention of the technology, inventorship is defined by patents, issued patents. It's the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office that defines what is an inventor. And I happen to hold nine issued patents that all cover this technology, and they were filed primarily in 1989 to 1991. And I also happen to hold the original invention disclosure from my time at the Salk Institute for the use of RNA as a drug and for these types of applications. Now, there's absolutely no question that there have been contributions from others. There's many that have worked diligently for years to bring

this technology to the point of application in humans for what it's worth. There were key findings from the company Arcturus, in particular, and the University of British Columbia Group, hence the name of the latest virus variant, by the way. But in terms of the invention of the core technology, reduction to practice, demonstration that you can use it to elicit an immune response in a mammal, the manufacturing of large-scale RNA and purification, the genetic sequences and elements necessary to make it work, the use of positively charged fats, and the demonstration of it working in animals, both for gene transfer and for eliciting an immune response, all of that comes off of my bench. So you can call it what you will. I don't

wish to diminish anybody else's contribution, but I'm also a little tired of other people asserting that they are responsible for my contribution. There we go. Kelly, have at it. Hey, Dr. Malone, great to see you. Thanks so much for joining us. And I can attest that your pedigree and experience are beyond reproach. So I would just put it to bed. I'm tired of having the conversation with others about that as well. And by the way, before the break, you saw Drew was exhibiting the appropriate way to be triggered by something that's actually appropriate to trigger you. So thank you for that little, for living by example, Drew. Thanks for that. Before we go back to this 5G and the SIOP thing, indulge me, if you will, for a minute. As Drew said, I was a psychologist before I became a physician, and I have not only a lifelong interest in, but I think some level of expertise in what I would

have called in the olden days, mob mentality. The idea that the individual, I used to say that the single most dangerous entity that exists in the world is the mob. Because when you get 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 individuals together, they no longer function as 10 or 100 or 1,000 individuals. They become a new entity with a singular focus known as the mob, and they are able to divest themselves of the moral and ethical and many times logical vestments that would otherwise control them as an individual. They take on the anonymity of the mob, and they are capable of doing things that would heretofore have been absolutely just never even considered. The individual by themselves would not do such things or even contemplate them. Back in the olden days, meaning when you and I and Drew were

training, in order to have a mob, they had to be geographically in the same location. Now, by the wonders of social media, the mob can actually be in disparate locations. They take on, however, that same potentially vicious, absolutely vitriolic, vicious personality of a singular entity. I want to talk a little bit about what your thoughts are, how does the mob in your mind, is a mob different from the mass formation, or are we really talking about the same concept that I would have called a mob in the past, just with a new terminology called mass formation? No, mass formation is related, as you point out, but it has significant differences. And Kelly, I recommend, if you wish, that you guys get Matthias Desmet on and allow him to talk about his theory rather than using me as a surrogate. But I'll do my best, as I did on Rogan, to try to do him proud. And he's recently

written another substack about the origin of the terminology and some of the fundamentals in which he absolves me of the accusation of having invented the term, so that's that. So what Matthias describes, which is in a significant way a 21st century update of Hannah Arendt's work in The Origins of Totalitarianism, in which she focused on the behaviors that she observed in Nazi Germany and subsequently, which became a major focus of hers, as a Jewish woman who had survived the Holocaust and so had, you know, deep personal insight into these things. And so what the core thesis is, is that there's a series of preconditions and there's some debate about those preconditions, but these preconditions include things like existence of free-floating anxiety, disconnectedness of the individual from a broader social structure, the sense of futility. Matthias speaks about bullshit jobs, people that are facing a world in which they aren't really performing any true function. They feel isolated, frustrated. The use of the technology, whether it's the internet or cell phones, certainly seems to

have accelerated this phenomena. And there's lots and lots of data concerning the disaffection of people in these current times. And then that often gets transformed first into free-floating anxiety. I'm sure that's something you can expound on. And then typically, as that free-floating anxiety coalesces, you have a group of individuals that are suffering this, that are disconnected from society, angry, and seeking some target to relieve their anxiety, to provide some focus and explanation for what they've experienced. And they will often coalesce around something, a significant threat that presents itself. And it can be a true threat, or it can be a manufactured threat. And it can be organically obtained, or it can be synthetic. It can be something that is actively promoted by, you know, Lenin or whomever, Goebbels, just to give a couple of examples. So that's the core thesis. And then once they have that target of their anxiety identified, then they form a, this is where we get into your

mob or group or whatever you want to call it, psychology. Once a group of people have identified a subject that they can coalesce around, they form social bonds, which relieves their sense of this free-floating anxiety and disconnectedness. But it's a very odd social bond and grouping. It's not interpersonal. All of them tie back to typically a leader, a central leader who is giving them this, some sense of mission or purpose or focus of their anxiety that they can address. And this appears to have been what coalesced around COVID as a threat. And then we had leaders who were promoting the, you know, I call it fear porn. I hope you forgive me. It is in psychology today as a real term.

I've become rather defensive about people who attack me about things that aren't in the DSM. But as you know, the DSM covers individuals, not group behavior. And so people seem to have coalesced around COVID, and the people that were promoting the COVID fear porn, this solution to their anxiety, this focus point, then became the identified leaders. Tony Fauci would be a great example of that. Deborah Birx would be another one. The Tedros at the WHO would be another one. In many ways, Mr. Gates became such a focus of worldwide attention as a leader that can potentially guide us all out of this risk and threat that we're facing. Typically, you have an authoritarian step

into an environment like this, exploit it, and then use the fear and anxiety around that event to focus the crowd towards some objective that they want to pursue, whether it's a political objective or an economic objective or social restructuring or whatever. So that's my attempt to give Matthias Desmet's mass formation and really Hannah Arndt's work credit. I hope I did them proud. Dr. Victory, what's your thoughts on this? No, I think that that was brilliant. And we would love to have Matthias Desmet on. So we'll take you up on an introduction there. But I think you did really a masterful job summarizing it. A couple

of thoughts. I want to move over to talking about our good friend Anthony Fauci in a minute. But I want to give some thoughts on what you just said. A couple of things. There's no question, I think, that certainly here in the United States, we were ripe for this sort of thing because of the amount of free-floating anxiety. The fact that people are anxious and disconnected, and the more social media we have, the less connected people really are. It's the anti-social media, as I say. It's purely the illusion of connectedness when it's really quite the opposite. And if you look at the three most commonly prescribed drugs during the most recent Trump heyday of the economy, everything's booming, and the three most commonly prescribed drugs are for high cholesterol, depressed antidepressants, and sleep aids.

So for a country that was doing remarkably well, we're the most insomniac, depressed group of people you've ever met, fraught with anxiety. The other thing is I would say you have been generous enough to give us some little glimpses into your personal life there on your gorgeous piece of earth on your farm there in Virginia. And I know that like me, you have horses. And if you watch a group of horses in a field or in a herd in the wild, when one horse starts to run, the others with rare exception will begin to run as well. They start to run despite the fact that they have no idea what they are running from. And it is the consummate. And that is how I feel much of the population has been.

They have formed into a mob. They formed into the mass. They formed into, and they are running and fearful and they don't even know what the hell they're fearful of uh they i think that is the key thing that you just put your finger on is fear a lot of this is driven by fear fear and anxiety and that just brings out the absolute worst in human behavior as far as i'm concerned but go ahead i'm sorry i interrupted you no no that's exactly right and i think that none of this could have happened. Fear is an incredibly powerful intoxicant. It is the number one way to control and manipulate people. So keeping people in fear was really the key, really the cornerstone to this entire thing. And as you noticed each time when we would start to get our arms around,

start to get ahead, the numbers would start to fall or people wouldn't be getting sick. Then, you know, roll in, enter monkeypox, you know, enter the next, enter RSD, enter the next thing. Well, Kelly, we have as one, you know, like I said, I like to talk about the documents and receipts, things we can prove. And the lockdown files from the UK clearly document the deployment of fear by the government in order to manipulate the society and to gain a willingness to comply with government edicts. Yeah, they actually documented their emails. There are emails where they said that. And I've seen that in FOIA here and there. Why isn't that being addressed as something that should be or could be outside of the law, maybe,

if not certainly outside of the responsible functions of government? Well, Drew, you know the answer is we can talk about this stuff on social media, but corporate media has I'm sorry, this is a strong metaphor. They have blood in their hands. They they have been directly implicated in deploying fear at the behest of the government and also accepting money from Pfizer for a lot of these things, you know, you remember the running bars that were on virtually all major corporate news broadcasts about the death counts, etc. I mean, the fear was just pumped and pumped and pumped. And this is why I think, you know, you were mentioning appropriately, I appreciate your sense of outrage as to what has been done to us. And I think those are the right words. This was active. assertions of ignorance and lack of comprehension is just flat out duplicitous. It has no integrity.

He was actively involved in a lot of this psychological manipulation because he was the front man. And then, you know, you can't discount the documents we have about the Great Barrington Declaration and about his directly targeting three of the top epidemiologists in the world. And then we have the, you know, if we step even further back, the smoking gun, as far as I'm concerned, is the use of burner phones by him, Farrar, and the director of NIH, Francis Collins, when they're having their discussions about basically how to cover up the origin of the virus and their involvement in that. I mean, it's just, I, at this point, you know, the reason why we're not hearing about it, getting back to your question, obviously, is because corporate media is very much involved in what has been deployed and has, the tragedy right now, one of them, I mean, it's layers of tragedy.

There are virtually no politicians in D.C. right now that want this topic discussed. The only presidential candidate that has any motivation to talk about this topic is Mr. Kennedy, which, by the way, I was there for his presentation, his kickoff in Boston. It was a stunning hour and 45 minute speech in which he carefully focused on the lockdowns and the lockdown damage and avoided talking about the jabs and the failure to provide early treatment. It was quite a nuanced, passionate speech. And he has been very clear all the way through this. I was fortunate to be with him on the Lincoln Memorial two Januaries ago for the Stop the Mandates protest in D.C. that was so well attended in which he just launched into a diatribe. And this is before he had his surgery.

You know, so his voice is quite weak. But he predicted that the government would not stop all of this lockdown behavior, all of these breaches of the Bill of Rights, until they were forced to do so. And in fact, that's what happened when Congress finally voted. So we have a problem, and you two know it, and you two are warriors in the front lines of it it by going to social media in the way that you'd have. We have a major problem with the capture of corporate media by large financial interests that are all horizontally integrated, as well as by the government. Yeah, I had a front row seat on that one yeah because when i when i got myself in trouble i got myself in trouble by screaming to the when i saw the panic porn which is what i called it three years ago being whipped up by the press and the press using words like grim and staggering

and i and i thought you five yeah there've 300 deaths. That's not a staggering number. When we get to 10,000, what word are you going to use? And I just was, I could see what they were doing. They were, this was, it seemed to follow on the heels of the Trump stuff for me. They'd gotten so into this emotionality and using emotion as a way of capturing eyes that this was something they just went wild with. Well, Dr. Drew, you need to recall Event 201, the war game that was held at the CIA shop at Johns Hopkins that was sponsored by the World Economic Forum

and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And it brought in the press of many members, including from CNN, as well as many members of the intelligence community, to do this planning. And it's no surprise if you bring together folks that have an authoritarian bent, you end up with plans that are quite authoritarian. And they basically just moved in lockstep to deploy the plans that they had mapped out in this war game in event 201 in the fall of 2019 without ever revising. I like to point out that they had three key assumptions. One was that it was a highly lethal virus. That is not the case.

We now know that was Chinese propaganda with the people dropping dead in the streets and the rapid build of the hospital. Number two, that existing drugs could not treat this pathogen and could not mitigate death and disease. That was clearly false. And yet it was continued to be pushed as a storyline.

And the third one was that we would have a vaccine product that was safe and effective. And I'm sorry, I noticed the CDC banner that you ran at the start in your disclaimer, but in terms of these products' effectiveness as a vaccine, they do not prevent infection. They do not prevent replication. They do not prevent infection. They do not prevent replication. They do not prevent spread. They do not prevent death or disease. We are arm wrestling about whether or not they might mitigate death and disease. But as you just pointed out, the data keeps coming in from all over the world that the majority of deaths are in those that are highly vaccinated. And by the way, there is a dose-response relationship. I think the three of us understand what those words mean. Ergo, the more doses, the more likely you are to get basically hospitalized or die. Yeah. Wait a second.

A little bit, because Kelly and I talked about it beforehand. And it could be they're the sicker people. They're getting them higher dosing. And it could be the older people. So there's lots of things to be sorted out yet. But we need to dispassionately sort this stuff out and take a look at it. And by the way, I just realized that when people talk about early treatment and available medication, there are the headline drugs. But let's not forget, Decadron worked very, very well for COVID. It kept a lot of people out of the hospital.

There were anti-inflammatories. There were things we could do that no one were doing because people were unwilling to look at early treatment with anything. The thing that I worked on for DOD was famotidine plus celecoxib. I used to joke in my talks when I would talk about early treatment that I knew that there was a horse drug that was available that had been proven to be safe and effective in humans for treating COVID. And of course, everybody would assume I'm about to talk about ivermectin. And I would say, no, the answer is aspirin. There are clear studies on aspirin effectiveness. I was going to say aspirin too.

And I think that the data are unassailable, frankly, at this point, that we know that these vaccines are causing untold adverse events. No matter how you parse the data, you can try to explain it away by they're older or sick or whatever else. I think it's really pretty darn clear if you look worldwide. Then we have the insurance actuary all-cause mortality, excess all-cause mortality. Right. And then we also have my friend Tao Shooters from the Netherlands that has taken two different databases there because they vaccinate in waves, particularly for their elderly. And so he's taken excess all-cause mortality in elderly and is from one source and overlaid that data with the vaccine deployment waves.

And you see a clear repeated correlation with an offset of a few days to about a week between the spike in vaccine deployment and the spike in excess all-cause mortality in the elderly. The data are clear. And I have a colleague that wants to stay below the radar because he's so afraid of all of the stalkers on the internet. But he is a serious, hardcore government data scientist. He literally does work on quantum computers on a routine basis. And he has applied some AI tools to the VAERS database and clearly pulled out some very significant signals relating to this. And he's given me permission to publish the paper without his name on it. So stay tuned. I mean, we're having, the data is rolling in from all over the world about this, as you know, Kelly. And Mr. Fauci's protestations are not going to, you know,

I've been skeptical that Mr. Fauci would ever be held accountable as is Ron Johnson, because he's so adroit. Well, that's what I what I do want to get into talking a little bit about him because he is Teflon. But before, as a dovetail to that, we just showed the cover of your book, Lies My Government Told Me. Thank you. And it's important, I think, for people to understand there's a reason you didn't title the book Mistakes My Government Made, because there's a difference. Okay.

There's a difference. There's a difference between making mistakes and lying. They lied. Okay. I and you and others did not. I didn't say what I said from the beginning about masks, about lockdowns, about the BS of social distancing, about the dangers of the vaccines. I didn't say what I said because I'm a good guesser. I didn't say what I said because I

had a crystal ball. I based it on what we have known for decades about the inefficacy of masks for respiratory viruses, that social distancing was a made up construct. I trained in public health and so did Fauci and so did others of them. They know damn well that that's made up. Kelly, that's where you're wrong. Tony is actually not trained in public health. He does not have an MPH. He's basically a physician and a molecular virologist and immunologist, largely immunologist. And this is one of the sins as far as I'm concerned of his attacks on Bhattacharya et al., the authors of the Great Barrington, is he defamed them. I mean, what else do you call it? Yes, he did.

And they are far, far more qualified than he is. And so the reality is, and my point really is that these people lied. They didn't make mistakes. And so your book is appropriately named Lies My Government Told Me. So now we have Anthony Fauci. Fast forward to this past week, you know, the interview he gave to the New York Times and then subsequently on CNN, where he is acknowledging that yes, mistakes were made, things were done wrong, and he's not quite sure what they were, but he manages to make that

admission while at the same time completely abolishing himself of any sort of complicity in this or any amount of responsibility for all the things that happen. In fact, he came out and said- So Dr. Victory, given your prior, your training, are you willing to venture a diagnosis? Well, like you, as I said, I have not, I have not diagnosed, I've not ever diagnosed the little troll, but I can tell you that, that, that, that, that truly he is an unbelievable narcissist. He is absolutely, I mean, narcissism. If you look up the word narcissism in the dictionary, it says, see also Anthony Fauci. Yes, exactly.

It said, see also Anthony Fauci. He is absolutely remarkable in his ability to say, it wasn't me. He is looking in the camera saying, I never closed a school. I never closed a factory. I simply gave my guidance. And if people made those decisions, that's on them. It's absolutely reprehensible. So I think we can agree that in the differential diagnosis are words like sociopathy and psychopathy.

Yeah, yes, no question. There there's no question you cannot lie with that because the lack of yeah the complete lack of remorse yes yes you you can't i i'm going you guys i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna give him a benefit of the doubt i i'm just gonna i'm i because ignorance is a defense here. And I think these people, cause when you think about it, he didn't, I was on a local news broadcast here in Los Angeles when they decided to lock the schools down. And I asked the guy, I said, who, who told you to do this? Why are you doing this? Did the CDC tell you, did you get an infectious disease consultant? No, it's just the right thing to do. And it came through the state government. It was

Newsom that was going overboard. Whatever the federal government was saying, he was going to do the opposite. And that wasn't Fauci, but he was there blowing wind into the sails. And the fact that he didn't understand the impact of his words is what get me upset. It's like, if you didn't understand the impact of it, I know you believe that. I know I'm giving him the impact of his words is what get me upset it's like if you didn't understand the impact of it i'm used i know you believe that i know i'm giving him the benefit of the town for this conversation no no but he needs to take accountability for that no you said ignorance is a defense and that's the explanation for rochelle lenski okay Okay. That's her out. I'll give her ignorance. Dolt comes to mind. But Anthony Fauci knew exactly the power of his words. He knew, and he's been doing this for too

many decades, Drew. He's been at the helm. This is a guy who has a long history. If I can interject, and it's in the book, we did a deep dive. One of the things about being an experienced government contractor is you know how to find the information. So I worked back through the NIH phone directory and was able to account for the number of people that are in the press office for Tony Fauci. He has 50 to 60 FTE, full-time employees, managing press. He only had about 20 managing the Senate and the House. Tony Fauci is very seasoned, very expert at management and manipulation of the press. Just read Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci,

in which he documents Tony getting journalists fired. I mean, this guy is not benign. I could use, I would use stronger words, but we're being recorded. He is very, he is a very skilled bureaucratic politician scientist of the type that has really destroyed the integrity of the scientific enterprise in the United States, in my opinion. And he is the poster child for what's gone wrong with big science. And frankly, he's driven a lot of it. It's, you know, my history is watching him since I was a wee little thing in my, you know, early 30s in, you know, the beginning of the 1980s and the start of the AIDS outbreak. And watching him and Bob Gallo duke it out. And Bob Gallo is a wickedly competitive scientist. And Tony Fauci gutted him like a fish.

Right. Did he have anything to do with it? Wait, wait, really quick, really quick, Kelly, one thing, because I always, you know, I interviewed Bob Guccione Jr. back in those days. Spin Magazine put out this horrible, ridiculous expose about the Gallo Institute causing HIV and causing AIDS and all this stuff. Do you think that Fauci was behind that in some way? Is that what you're, you have any evidence of him doing that kind of stuff? I have no, I have no understanding of the machinations that Tony did or did not do with Bob. Bob deserves, if you saw the movie and the band played on, you have one version of Bob Gallo.

That is also not a benign individual. And they basically went toe-to-toe over who was going to control the AIDS dollars. Bob was at National Cancer Institute, and Tony won. So that's, and Bob ended up with his own research institute in Baltimore City. That's that's how that played out. And the yeah, it's the all these things have deep, deep roots. The former director of CDC that testified has been Bob Gallo's acolyte for years and years and years, one of his lieutenants. And so I was not surprised when he threw Tony under the bus in that testimony. But this is a group of people that have been competing with each other in this arena their whole lives,

their whole professional lives over three decades. And anything that Fauci says, you know, in terms of absolving himself from guilt, he is not a person of integrity. He will say anything and do anything. And we've seen it again and again and again. I've really enjoyed in the past looking at old C-SPAN tape on Tony Fauci giving testimony before Congress, where he routinely goes and he basically has the same script, which is, oh, this is a really scary virus. And if you only give me fill in the blank number, you know, 500 million, 2 billion, you know, it all depends on the outbreak, then I will get you a vaccine and I will take this pain away from you. And then the politicians give him the money and it all goes down little rabbit holes. And this is the first vaccine,

if you want to call it that, that's ever come out of his shop, despite enormous amounts of money that they've spent. It's a long sort of history, and we're only scratching the surface. I'd love to, we've got a couple minutes here, and what I want, you hit on something that I'd love to end on, which is we have gutted, talk about gutting, we have gutted the confidence of the public in the healthcare system and certainly in public health. And one of my gravest concerns, Dr. Malone, is what we are going to do when the next thing comes along and we need the public, not only in the United States, but globally to pay

heed and to follow our guidance as public health experts and as physicians. We don't have the luxury of putting the healthcare system in timeout while we clear house and get ourselves sorted out and figure out who's culpable for what. Time goes on, and you'd never know when the next thing is going to hit the fan. What, in your mind, is it going to take to actually regain the confidence of the public? I've people say to me on a daily basis, the hell with it. I'm not going to the doctor anymore. I won't go to the hospital. I won't go, you know, I'm on my own. Kelly, I think as you say that this is going to take years and years and years

to repair. And in the interim, the real question you're asking is, what happens the next time we have a truly bad event if we do? Yeah, exactly. Looking back, so a case, a lot of this is predicated on the fear porn around 1918 and the Spanish flu, quote unquote. But there's a good case to be made that the excess mortality in that case in 1918 was due to overdosing of a numerical drug that had just come onto the market that was used to treat fever. And it was not understood how to dose it. And so physicians would treat fever. And if the fever didn't resolve, they would treat with more drug.

And then they would find that suddenly they had rapid mortality, which they attributed to the pathogen, but in fact it was due to the drug. The drug was called aspirin. Okay. You know, it's the 1918. I'm going to take a— It's the fear around 1918 that they exploit. Right. It's the fear around 1918 that they exploit. I'm going to offer a sort of marginal, maybe an outlying opinion and say, we deserve this. We did it to ourselves, and we fully deserve it, and the public is expressing good judgment in their relation to us. And in the future, we have to not be so certain and hubristic

and have a deep humility with how we approach these things and understand people are going to not trust, and that's good judgment. And we have to rebuild some trust but not overly medicalize things. Like Dr. Malone is just saying, the use of aspirin may have had as many issues as the pathogen itself. We have perhaps gone too far with the reliance on the medicalization. I want to make a point here. I think that what is most likely to happen is the next time we have something that is identified by the World Health Organization as a major global public health threat, whether or not it actually is, what we will see instead, in lieu of a rebuilt medical system,

what we're going to see is a further ratcheting of authoritarianism. They're going to use this as justification. But that, I think, is the light bulb. I agree that's there. That potential is there. I think that potential is there but i believe that there is a certain amount of i certainly the light bulb has gone off and i never imagined that that was a potential but i'm sure i'm not the only one that sees that potential and people are are uh uh a hair trigger away from uh not allowing that to happen. We were somehow resisting.

So I have a colleague, Matt Schlapp, who happens to live 15 miles north of me. And some of you may recognize that Matt and Mercedes pretty much have salvaged CPAC and they operate it. And I consider him a good friend and I'm grateful for his friendship. He is of the opinion that we absolutely have to find some way to come together politically, that we've become far too divided. And by the way, he's very intrigued by Bobby Kennedy, but he does not foresee that we're going to be having a major change here.

And he emphasizes that, as I mentioned before, none of the politicians right now in D.C., not the Trump campaign. You know, we could argue Mr. DeSantis would be glad to talk about COVID policy, but the Senate, absolutely not. The White House, absolutely not. The former Trump administration, absolutely not. They would like this all to go away. And it's going to be a tough lift to really bring the public's attention to this, but Matt said that at CPAC Australia, the fury was palpable, and there was a subsequent vote where he asserts that the Australian government has essentially been overthrown. I'm going to be speaking in Brussels to the

European Parliament together with a number of others next week, the second, third, and fourth, there's a subset of members of the EP that want us there and want to testify. They want to testify also. What we're seeing is in Europe, there is a growing anger. And there are some encouraging signs. For instance, the recent vote for the Farmers Party in the Netherlands, in Holland, regarding the heavy-handed efforts to take their farms back by their government. I think that we're seeing some real efforts in Australia to get to the bottom of what happened and force the TGA, which is like their FDA, to come clean about the contracts with Pfizer and what was done. And I think we are likely to see momentum like that in Europe. For some reason, and it gets back to the propaganda and the psyops, the American public have been lulled to sleep very effectively. And I don't know if we're going to be able to wake them up, more than about 20 or 30 percent of them unfortunately what tends to happen in these what tends

to happen in these things when you have traumatized people people are so happy when the pain stops but they're just so happy they just say just oh my god thank God it's over let's move on yeah they forget to close the loop closing the circle so this doesn't happen again, requires you to hold accountable those people who perpetrated this. It is not good enough just to say, thank God it's over, let's all move forward. No, you've got to at the same time hold to account. Otherwise, it is doomed to happen again. Oh, no, we just need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission and forgive everybody.

Isn't that right? There you go. No, exactly. Kumbaya. I'm Irish. I'm Irish. We never forgive. As am I. So maybe that's why we get along. There you go. I don't want to call for Nuremberg, too, and for public hangings. And there's a lot of strong words that have been tossed around that I think are a little irresponsible. But I had hoped and wondered whether we would see Tony thrown under the bus.

And because he would be a logical, sacrificial lamb to, you know, essentially absolve the rest of the bureaucracy. But it looks like there's a concerted effort to prevent that. I don't know. You're hopefully aware that he's been hired back by the government and assigned six different agents from Health and Human Services to schlep him around and provide personal protection so that those that are calling for some action against him physically are not successful. So, Kelly, all that I can say is from your lips to God's ears, but I've spent too much time in DC and it's hardened me to, uh, um,

the probability that there will be accountability. Oh, well, Tony Fauci is like, we have to, we have to, we have to wrap things up. Caleb,

you want to ask one last quick question? Go ahead. Um, yes, I have a question, but I don't know if it's a quick question. So maybe we might have to wait for the next time. I, let's maybe, question go ahead um yes i have a question but i don't know if it's a quick question so maybe we might have to wait for the next time i let's maybe maybe we invite dr malone back this

because this has been a really interesting romp through through uh i would love an interesting material chance to talk to you too again i'm surprised dr drew that you have uh you've come quite a ways since we last spoke. Yeah, that's a victory for victory. And maybe next time we can do it when I'm in my studio instead of in my car driving towards. Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that. And that's been-

And when Rumble is up. I don't know why you're on the free, the free speech channel is down today. All we have is YouTube. And so we're gonna have to upload you up on Rumble is up. I don't know why you're on the free speech channel is down today. All we have is YouTube. And so we're going to have to upload you up on Rumble later. Which we will do. There's something going on. We're not sure.

Well, anyway, Dr. Lee, you've been very generous with your time. We will do it soon. I thank you so much. And yeah, this stuff is fascinating to me. It's really why Kelly and I started this thing is to figure out what the hell went on. And we pulled little pieces of all the puzzle together. And it's all starting to create a pretty cohesive story. That was the purpose of the book.

Jill and I wrote the book as basically our journey down all those rabbit holes, trying to figure out what the heck went on. So thank you very much. And thanks for your leadership and efforts, both of you. Thanks. All right, Dr. Robert Malone, everybody. And Kelly, I'll see you. When am I going to see Kelly again? Is it next week?

Are we seeing you tomorrow? Yes, next week. We are on next Wednesday, I believe. Yeah, I think next Wednesday. And I think we had to reschedule Mahantra. We have Shane Cashman, Kevin Bass can talk to me, Petrovsky with Dr. Victor again, Bobby Chacon, Nicole Sapphire is on May 8th.

That's a new one. Look at that. So, and we're going to, as we said, we got a cancellation, well, not cancellation. We had travel difficulty with Dr. Mahantra. So he will reschedule and we'll bring him in for that. And Caleb was sick. And the router went down.

We've had the weirdest things going on in this house. I had two cars break down today, too. It's the weirdest thing. And then the rubble didn't upload. It's in the stars. It must be a full moon or something. I don't know. All right, everybody.

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