Ask Dr. Drew - Dr. Simone Gold: Was COVID’s “Public Health Enemy No. 1” Right All Along? AFLDS Founder w/ US Rep. Morgan Griffith – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 467

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

In 2020, AFLDS founder Dr. Simone Gold became Public Health Enemy No. 1 after organizing a press conference in Washington, DC, where she asserted COVID-19 – still an emerging pandemic – was treatable and the real danger was the panic being spread by health officials and the media. Dr. Gold’s White Coat Summit in front of the Supreme Court was viewed over 20,000,000 times within 8 hours – the most viral video of COVID-19’s earliest days. • Sponsored by HOME TITLE LOCK – Use promo code DREW250 to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND access to your Personal Title Expert —a $250 value— at http://www.hometitlelock.com/drdrew Dr. Simone Gold is a board-certified emergency physician with 20 years of experience and a Stanford-educated attorney. She founded America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) after leading a pivotal 2020 press conference addressing COVID-19. She also established GoldCare, a platform promoting medical freedom and the doctor-patient relationship. Her upcoming book, Selective Persecution: The Legalization of American Fascism, details her experiences with government overreach and is available at https://amzn.to/4irbBDY. Find more at https://x.com/DrSimoneGold and https://TheGoldReport.substack.com Rep. Morgan Griffith is a U.S. Congressman from Virginia and Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations. He recently led hearings examining the federal COVID-19 response, focusing on issues like propaganda and health policy. Find more at https://x.com/RepMGriffith and https://morgangriffith.house.gov 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • HOME TITLE LOCK – Use promo code DREW250 to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND access to your Personal Title Expert —a $250 value— at http://www.hometitlelock.com/drdrew • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, we will be talking to Representative Morgan Griffith towards the bottom of the hour from Virginia, Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee and Oversight and Investigations. Recently had hearings examining this COVID response by

the federal government. He is focusing on propaganda and health policy, it'd be very interesting to hear his findings. But first, we're going to bring Dr. Simone Gold around, she's a board certified ER doctor, 20 years of experience.

She's also a Stanford trained attorney. Selective Prosecution is the book, the legalization of, I can't read the name of that. Help me when we get back to it. American Fascism, the title's called Selective Prosecution. The legalization of American Fascism, I love that. She established GoldCare,

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I'm just saying. You go to treatment before you kill people. I am a doctor for ****. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say.

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Or just go to our website, drdu.com slash fatty15. All right, you can follow Dr. Simone Gold on X, DR Simone, S-I-M-O-N-E Gold, just like the element, the goldreport.substack.com. And of course the book, let's put it up there again,

selective persecution, I think I said prosecution, the Legalization of American Fascism, which I am absolutely fascinated to talk more with her about. As I said, she's worked in the ER for 20 years and board certified in that discipline as well as a JD

trained by Stanford University. Founding the America's frontline doctor, she was in the middle of a 2020 press conference addressing COVID-19. She ultimately established Gold Care platform providing medical freedom in the doctor patient relationship.

There she is in front of, I think it was the Supreme Court at that time, talking about rational responses to the COVID-19 so-called pandemic. Dr. Gold, welcome to the program. Thank you so much, Dr. Drew. So I've got a million questions

and I'm excited to talk to you. I think let's start with the book and maybe define what your goals were in that book and what you mean by American fascism. And let me tell you why I'm asking it that way. Because one of the most astonishing

features of this pandemic was that the whole world followed our ridiculousness, the whole world. And maybe not Africa where they got it right and things were much, much better there. But essentially the Western world followed what we did. So have at it. Yes, so I think I saw it a little bit earlier than my physician peers because I was open minded to it and also because of my legal training. And the reason I titled my book Selective Persecution, which is a play on prosecution based on my ER training, the legalization of American fascism is people have to know that fascism doesn't look the same

everywhere you are. From the citizen's perspective, it is very tyrannical. It's almost enslavement, no matter where you are, but it's a little bit different. It's not going to look like it does in China or in the USSR. It's sort of an American flavor to the fascism, to the tyranny. So this happens to be my personal story of everything I went through from being a COVID policy whistleblower

and watching the alarming infringement of our constitutional freedoms based on ridiculous public health policies, absolutely absurd and illegal, to becoming targeted by the government in J6, in my imprisonment. And I saw how illegal the FBI was acting, how illegal the DOJ was acting, how the judges had did things that were so inconsistent with proper judicial temperament.

So every chapter walks people through what I directly experienced. There's a lot of receipts in the book. There's tons of references. It's very well, I don't want anyone to say that I'm taking any liberties with the truth. I give specific examples why I'm pretty alarmed at the infrastructure of tyranny that we really do have in our nation. And thank God we have a change in

administration, but that infrastructure for tyranny is still there. When you read how the FBI came and broke down my door, and you read how I was sent to a maximum security prison, these things couldn't have happened if we didn't have, you know, really an infrastructure

for tyranny that's already here. So it's very eye-opening, but it reads rather like a John Grisham novel, quite frankly. You can't believe it's real. So you need to make it into a movie so people or a documentary or both. I'm guessing that's coming. I think, yeah, a lot of people think it should be a movie.

It's kind of an Aaron Brockovich, David Goliath thing. I went up against the federal government, they left me hard. I was attacked by the California Medical Board, I was attacked by the New York Bar, I was attacked by Congress. And a very interesting chapter relates how the federal government tried to plant narcotics on me,

which would have been the best way to take me down. And I have all the receipts. It's quite something. And so what are your remedies for all this? And so you have your personal remedies and then what do we as a citizenship need to do? You know, I wrote the book so that people can be armed with information. We thank, I don't want people to be depressed. We don't yet live in China. Like There are resources and one of them is just starting to being awake to the situations around us. One of my pleas in the book is that the ordinary American citizen doesn't comply with things when they seem bizarre. It's heart wrenching that the

FBI officers who were breaking down my door, once they got there, they clearly realized this was over the top. So I want an officer who finds himself in that situation to pause and to say, is this right? Like I want people to think in the moment. This was on the heels of my noticing during COVID that doctors and nurses were not doing the right thing. They were just following orders. And so part of this is just kind of a wake-up call so that you and your own life, no matter what job you have or neighborhood you live in, when you see a tyrannical kind of infrastructure taking hold, is to push back on that.

So we do have recourses. Yeah, I mean, it seems easy to say that, I mean, it was so, by the time everyone was caught up in a hysteria though, the populace played the role of enforcer much the way they did in 1939 in in Germany. And so that's the part that's really scary.

I talk we're on the same page. I talk about that a lot. I'm very sensitive to it. My father was a Holocaust survivor. So I grew up knowing these stories, how quickly a society can absolutely turn against a disfavored minority group, in this case, political conservatives. I'm well aware of that. There's a lot of practical advice in the book. One of the things I want to share with people is this fear

that humans have of having a reputation damaged. It's intrinsic really to the survival of the human species. I understand it, but it's next level in our time. It's instant worldwide communication that can bring down a person's reputation. We call it cancel culture and it is very, very strong. But I'm telling you that there are worse things than having your reputation smeared. You have to do what you know is right in your soul or else you start self-censoring yourself and your soul starts dying. And profound people than myself have said it more eloquently, but that's my advice too.

We live in a time of cancel culture, but it's not the worst thing in the world to look that beast in the eye and still do what you know is right. Well, it's hard to keep your compass due north when all the craziness is around. I knew immediately something was wrong, but I missed the amount of infectivity. I missed how sort of brutal COVID was going to be in certain populations. Brutal, it was a tough illness. But I knew that the reaction was wrong.

I knew that the risk reward was not being contemplated by anybody. There were specific things I knew as a physician that became clear early that were alive. For example, if the power brokers had simply said hydroxychloroquine didn't work for SARS-2, I might have gone more along. But instead they said it wasn't safe. Now this was a drug at the time was F-65 years, right?

And then they mocked Ivermetham when it literally won the Nobel Prize for medicine. So they went too far with their lives. And when you see that in your own life, when you see people saying things that you know are false,

you please do not self-censor. That's really what drove this was a lot of people fear over cancer culture. Yeah, so when that was all going on, I do this internal medicine, we have this thing called the MKSAP, which is sort of a board review.

It's a very comprehensive board review. I don't know if ER has something like that. Oh, why do you put gel man amnesia? I guess that's part of- She was literally just referring to gel man amnesia of which a lot of people experienced. You know well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You think you are wrong, yeah, yeah, you think you are wrong even though you know when the protest writes about something that you know well, they are always wrong. Guess what, they're always wrong, period. But what was I just talking about?

Damn it. The MSKP, whatever it was. MSKP, thank you. And just for your future edification when you bring this particular topic up, hydroxychloroquine and cancelling people who want to use a simple medication that's over the counter most of the world, is that in the MKSAP, in the rheumatology section, in 2019, I was doing it and I was like, oh, look at this. There was a question about maintaining your lupus

patients on hydroxychloroquine during pregnancy. And yes, you are supposed to continue hydroxy. I don't know of any medication, including Tylenol, that's recommended, purely you should, it's recommended to continue the hydroxychloroquine for your lupus patients during pregnancy, period, full stop. And I don't know any other medication that's like that. Wait, you got the answer right? Yeah, so the CDC on their website all threw most of COVID in,

and they took it down for two years, and I think it's back, said it's safe during infancy, breastfeeding, elderly, and pregnancy, right? And the American Association of Rheumatology said the same thing. Yeah, and, well, it was in our board review. And they took it out in a subsequent review that I'm doing now, which is every four years they do it.

Or is it two years? Whatever it is, I try to always do it. But now the, and the CDC also had up that everybody who came in this country as a refugee from the majority of countries out there had to take ivermectin for a couple of weeks, right? Yes, you are, you are unprogressive, knowledgeable.

It's exactly correct. People coming from the Middle Eastern parts of the world had to take ivermectin coming to this nation. At the same time, the FDA was mocking at his horse paced. It was outrageous. So- Thankfully in my career, I'd use both medication. I'd actually, Clark and I'd used for years

by the handful, but even Ivermectin, I used to work at a county hospital and we would see all kinds of hellments and all kinds of crazy worm infections. And so, yeah, Ivermectin changed everything. We had the opportunity to use it. We did, it never hurt anything. I took it myself during COVID.

I don't think it worked, I was really sick, but didn't hurt me. Right, so they took the lie too far where they said that it was not safe and so then that kind of woke people up. But we're left with this huge

problem, right, Dr. Drew, that people don't trust physicians. And I'm sorry, I agree with that, I think most physicians should not be trusted. I think we saw that the physician didn't put the patient's interest first, we saw that a lot.

And it is also why I launched GoldCare, which is national telemedicine, where we prioritize the doctor-patient relationship. The doctors are only paid for their time. They're not paid by Big Pharma. There's no other route.

It's just really like modern, old-fashioned medicine, because it was very upsetting to me. I'm a daughter of a doctor. I'm a doctor for a long time, and I couldn't believe how doctors just abandoned their patients. What is your theory about what happened to us?

Is it that we were mostly employees, which was new news to me. I didn't realize that. And there was centralization of decision-making. And people were in hysteria and scared to do anything where they might use their judgment or put the patient care ahead of everything else like they're supposed to?

Yeah, we're very much on the same page. I think there's a few different things that have coalesced, but the easiest one to explain is in my dad's day, 85% of doctors were small business owners and their clients, their employer was the patient. So the interest matched, the patient's interest and the doctor's interest matched. Flip to my time in the last five

years, about 15% of doctors are self-employed. And the 85% are answering to their corporate employer. I will tell you in my case, I was fired and threatened to be fired by the hospitals for speaking out.

And California Medical Board and other states sent letters to doctors that you could lose your license if you prescribed hydroxychloroquine. So there are powerful interests The California Medical Board and other states sent letters to doctors that you could lose your license if you prescribed hydroxychloroquine. So there are powerful interests that are allied against the doctor-patient relationship. But there's ways around it.

Goal care is not the only one. You need to find a doctor and just work with that doctor outside of the insurance model or the government model. Yeah, I agree. Patients have to take control of their health care. And I want to find every way to do that. I've sort of abandoned my protection

of the doctor-patient relationship because it's been so frustrating. You're a little, I spent years as a Medicare provider and insurance, you can't imagine the struggles. And it just was so pathetic and so awful that I get the feeling now that we just gotta empower the patients to take care of their care. Dr. Drew, we're on exactly the same page.

So again, my dad was a doctor, my mom used to do his billing. I know exactly what the fights were with Medicare. I was protected a little from that. At ER doctor, right, we had administration do it, but I know well, you can't win against the behemoth of legacy healthcare. We do these, we do monthly town halls where we just educate people because we want people to have the truth. You can't win against the behemoth of legacy health care.

We do monthly town halls where we just educate people, because we want people to have the truth. So next month, we're doing measles. We do talks on what is the truth on repurposed medicines and cancer care, the truth about vaccines. This is what we bring. We had a town hall on Ozempic, the pros, the cons, and informed consent, bird flu, same thing.

So we just want to empower people. I'm happy if people need doctors less often, quite frankly. I think we've medicalized a lot of things that maybe shouldn't be medicalized, maybe you need a counselor. Or just a counselor.

Yeah. Completely agree, and or just to educate yourself and these are things that people understand now. They can make good decisions and then we support of care. And or just to educate yourself and these are things that people understand now. They can make good decisions and then we support of care.

But I want to go back to my original question though, which is, I was listening to French radio this morning, which I do all the time. And they were replaying clips of the progression of what happened in France from masks.

They had the same exact progression, masks don't work. If they do work, only the 95s. And no, now everybody's out. No, not outdoors. Yes, outdoors. It just went, they just rolled down the hill just like we did.

And I thought, wow, how did the whole world do that? How is that possible? And was it organized in some way? Is there some, you said there's been a totalitarianism at foot here. How did it get over there? No, no, no, no, no. I can answer you a little bit more detailed. There's a whole chapter, one chapter of my book goes over kind of the public health politics of this that permitted all of this to sweep the world at the same time. There were huge financial interests.

I'm going to share a tidbit with you, Dr. Drew. It's going to blow your mind. Everybody thought that the hatred on hydroxychloroquine was when Trump endorsed it, I think it was March 17, 2020. But here's something that's going to blow your mind. Hydroxychloroquine is over the counter in a lot of the world, in the third world, and also in nations where people travel to Africa, for example, to go on holiday. One of those nations is France. And I learned this from Dr. Didier Raoul's staff. So France pulls quietly, pulls hydroxychloroquine's

over the counter status, not March 17th, March 18th, when it blew up. They actually pulled their status of hydroxychloroquine being over the counter two months earlier, January 13th. In other words, they kind of planned to attack hydroxychloroquine because as you know, the shots could not be rolled out quickly if there was an alternative treatment. So we had to eliminate the possibility,

but that's very damning that piece of information. France knew and it was kind of planned, like the hatred. So yeah, there was a plan and we have the receipts. Some of them are in the book. So do you maintain, I get so discouraged when I think about this time. I don't like thinking about it. And now you've added a new wrinkle to it,

which is that there's this infrastructure in place that I was kind of hoping had been defanged at least, but you're saying it's still there. They're both there. There is an infrastructure there, which is really why I wrote the book so you can see it. However, I'm actually kind of optimistic because I really think the American people are special.

Our Constitution is superlative and special and extraordinary, and we have these rights on paper, so it really is up to us to enforce them. We have to start teaching the Constitution. When I was arrested for J-6, you

wouldn't know this, but what was used as evidence against J-6ers was if they had a pocket Constitution on their person. There were a lot of people that were there. When I was arrested for J6, you wouldn't know this, but what was used as evidence against J6ers was if they had a pocket constitution on their person. There were a lot of people that were there, they were deep believers in the constitution, they were carrying pocket constitutions. That was later submitted in evidence against them. 50 years ago, children would memorize the constitution and that would be something that

they learned in government schools. So we can get back to that, right? We can get back to teaching the constitution, honoring the Constitution, bringing it back to the family, the rights to the parents, not to the government. So I'm actually kind of optimistic about American ingenuity and American family structure. So I hear the pessimism, but I think we reason to be optimistic, cautiously optimistic. I am a biased towards optimism. I have an optimistic bias, but I'm so beaten down by this topic. And then thinking about what

happened to you and thinking about the massive out of control infrastructure. It's really kind of astonishing that this happens to us, both our profession and to this government. Now, one of the things that happened to me during the course of all this

is I became a free speech absolutist because we must all defend that right. That's the fundamental right that's gonna keep us from going all the way into some God knows what. But there are people who wanna throw out the First Amendment. What is that all? I don't, I can't, it's bewildering to me.

Do you understand what that's all about? I've actually known that this has been a struggle for probably 20 years. The correct legal name of America's Frontline Doctors is actually the Free Speech Foundation. We are DBA as America's frontline doctors. It is all about free speech. It is all about silencing us.

It is the entire game. It is the entire issue. The game changed when Elon Musk bought Twitter, right? So it is all about free speech, which is why I'm telling people that the free speech starts with you not allowing yourself to

become censored. It is true that there's a heavy price to pay when people come after you or even your mother-in-law why I'm telling people that the free speech starts with you not allowing yourself to become censored. It is true that there is a heavy price to pay when people come after you or even your mother-in-law comes after you for saying your opinion. But you must not self-censor. You must continue to speak. People have a right to hear what you say,

but you have a right not to be silenced. We have a human need to do that. So I am pessimistic when I looked at what happened to both of my professions, law and medicine, it's shameful, but I faith in the American people and the ordinary American, and free speech is the name of the game, it's everything. I like that, that does make me feel better.

But being a physician for four decades, early on we thought we were doing was so important. And to see our peers send people home and tell them just come back when you're blue, that to me was the most mind blowing. I just, my mind is blown. So it's also mind blowing to me to think about people wanting to condemn or alter the first amendment.

Is that something that is even as I can't believe that our peers did that. So I worry that, oh my God, could they change the first amendment. Is that something that is even as I, I can't believe that our peers did that. So I worry that, oh my God, could they change the first amendment? Could somebody come in here and do that? Is that possible? I'm gonna ask you as a lawyer, it's really not possible. You need two thirds of Congress

to make a constitutional amendment. It's not going anywhere. The problem is when people don't enforce it. So I fight hard to enforce the first amendment and I'll give you a specific example because everyone needs to fight tyranny in their own lives. The California medical board attempted to take my California medical license based on free speech, literally based on free speech. They sent me a letter in late 21 saying there were public comments that I made about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and I should lose my medical license. I said,

I moved to Florida. I didn't even need my California license, but I took a stand, put my foot down. I said, absolutely not. And I fought them for two years. And then I fought them for another year on appeal. And I definitively won. And the California Medical Board has had to retreat on going after doctors, free speech.

This is exactly how you keep the First Amendment alive, is you have people who say no. And I encourage people to donate to various nonprofits that touch their heart. It's not going to be done by somebody else. If you're not doing the work, then there's a nonprofit out there doing the work. America's Frontline Doctors happens to be one of them doing the work in the free speech for physicians. It's one of our linchpin issues.

We fight for doctors whose license are being threatened over speech. And so that's how you win. It's the hard work, the grinding at it. It took me three years. But we made a precedent in California that is going to make it incredibly difficult for them to do this again. I hope that encourages you. It does encourage me.

And I'm just thinking back to my, well first of all I'm just Greg Lukianoff. What's Greg Lukianoff's organization called? Caleb, help me with that. The FIRE. The FIRE, FIRE, it's called FIRE. They're assessing free speech on campuses. Fire.org.

Fire.org, exactly. But it's interesting, you're reminding me that back in 1983, I started doing radio because I thought it was important to talk to young people about this thing. We were just started to call AIDS. We did not yet have a causative agent, but we were getting into

focus how it was being transmitted. And I just thought, we got to talk to people. I had this opportunity, I came out and said, talk to young people about this. I was vilified by my came out and said, talk to young people about this. I was vilified by my residency director

and was threatened with all kinds of things, actually stopped for a while. And then there was a sea change where, after about six months, the mandate become, doctors must talk about this, doctors must go out and reach out and educate young people, everybody about this. And yeah, that was, and I remember my father saying to me, they're infringing on your free

speech. This is a civil rights problem here. And I was like, yeah, but I could still lose my job. I'm an intern, I'm a first year resident and stuff. And so it is just, this has been going on for a little while, I guess. And we have to thank God I did keep going. A few things. So the first Amendment is strong and

you have to just fight for it when it's being imposed upon, infringed upon. There's also it's illegal to do viewpoint discrimination. So we're AFLDS, the frontline doctors has just submitted a MECUS brief on viewpoint discrimination.

Because the state of Colorado has blocked counselors from explaining biological truth to children with gender questions. They've actually said you can't talk about biological truth. You can talk about the dysphoria, but you cannot talk about biological truth.

I think they're slammed on going to lose that. That's going up to the Supreme Court in a few months. Or this, yeah. That's Chile's versus Salazar. I don't see there being any way, but you need strong advocates to

fight these fights. So we're going to hang on to our First Amendment, and there's people like me who are super passionate about it. Yeah, so I just encourage everybody to join the fight if you can't fight yourself.

It seems daunting when you're not, you don't understand the legal system, you're not a lawyer, it looks expensive, it looks time consuming, it looks overwhelming. I'm so grateful you're doing this, but, and my son is a lawyer,

he pointed out the same thing. He goes, yeah, this is something the courts can do. The courts are good for something, and this could be it. The other thing is be aware of what mass hysteria is, what a mass formation is.

Interestingly, I used to bring this up during the mass formation, was that Alexis de Tocqueville, who came here in 1820, pointed out, he's a Frenchman who came allegedly to look at our penitentiary system, but ended up talking about democracy in America. And one of the things he pointed out was that we had the most significant privilege of free

speech prescribed by the law, but in practice, it wasn't so free. And he called it the effect of the town square. And now with social media being the town square, I mean, it's that much more breathtaking that Elon Musk came in and freed it, freed the town square, which is the one major impediment on our prescribed rights. I think an easy fix, and I don't know if it'll happen in the next four years,

I think there needs to be virtual bill of rights that your bill of rights continues into the online space. I think it's kind of a quick way to make sure that we don't lose our free speech rights ever again, no matter who runs the social media companies, right? Why should our bill of rights?

And then I hear you, but what do we do with the EU, who seems intent upon reducing, restricting that privilege? The answer is financial pressure. So everybody eventually comes around to the side that can pay them money.

So when we live happier, healthier, wealthier, better lives, they will fold. Simone, I am so glad you're doing this work. I'm so mad you're here. It's a DR Simone Gold X Telegram Truth Getter,

the Gold Report on Substack. Anywhere else you'd like people to go obviously go get the book, the selective persecution and look for the movie and the documentary when it comes out. Because this kind of stuff, somebody's got to do a real serious

visual dive on all this. Because the history needs to be documented, it's very important. Absolutely, I hope people please pre-order, it's a fascinating book. It's a page turner, Selective Persecution on Amazon. And it was a pleasure to be here and chat with you,

Dr. Drew. When is it out? When does it come out? It's out in May. May. Everybody can pre order that. It really helps. I'd love to come back.

Okay pre order now, but I'm ruminating. I may be getting you back in here once people respond to it and give them a chance to react to what you put down. So, okay, Dr. Gold, thank you so much for being here. We'll hopefully talk to you again soon. Thank you so much, sir. You got it.

Coming up, we are gonna talk to a congressman, US congressman from Virginia, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations. And he has been looking at the federal excesses, the COVID-19 response. We're gonna keep this topic going. I'll look over on the Rumble Rants and the Restream in a second. We'll be right back after this.

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Let me give you particulars where you can find Congressman Morgan Griffith. He is on X at Morgan Griffith. No, Rep. M. Griffith, beg your pardon. It is R-E-P-M Griffith, G-R-I-F-F-I-T-H, and also you can find him at MorganGriffith.house.gov. Congressman, thank you for joining us.

Great to be with you. So I'm anxious to hear what you've uncovered. What did you discover? I'm, have you heard the conversation I just had with Dr. Simone Gold, but I'm just so bewildered by so many of the excesses. It's probably my own denial that's fueling that, but there are so many things,

and I know a lot about what happened and it's still bewildering to me. Well, it's bewildering to all of us. and you know, there's just so many different things. And so we put in a number of bills, but we need to look at all the things that the NIH was supposed to do through NIAD. That would be Dr. Fauci's agency, National Infectious Disease Allergies and Infectious Disease Department under Francis Collins at the time at the NIH. They were doing all this research,

spending millions of dollars with Eco-elf Alliance, 800,000 of that, according to their own data, went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And we didn't get the documents we paid for. It's that simple. We didn't get the information we paid for. And isn't it interesting that one of the reports we didn't get was from September of 2019. And eventually EcoHealth would provide us with some of the data or their report at least. They didn't

have the Chinese data, but they gave us their report. But they had doctored some of it as it turned out. Now that was the evidence that I believe came out in committee. We had two different transcribed interviews with them. We had transcribed interviews with Dr. Fauci, but EcoHealth Alliance was not straightforward with the NIH, but the NIH knew they weren't getting the documents they were supposed to get, new or should have known, which is where some of these bills come from.

I mean, Chip Roy and I are carrying a bill to break up NIAD into three component parts, infectious diseases, allergies, and immunological diseases, because they're different. And sometimes they overlap. I'm not going to say they don't occasionally overlap, but there's also a lot of differences. No, they're very different.

Very different. It's a very, very of differences. No, they're very different. Very different. It's a very, very different discipline. Different disciplines that supervise it. Infectious diseases and allergies are totally different. You can make some arguments on the auto. They all, the immune system is involved with that, but it's also involved in, we can pick a bunch of other things too.

We can talk, we can have, why don't you just add dermatology to their list of different disorders that they follow? I mean, it might as well. Because I mean, we could have, why don't you just add dermatology to their list of different disorders that they follow? I mean, it might as well, because I mean, the immune system, very active in the derm system. So we better put that in there. So what, if you were to sort of,

what do you surmise? What's your sort of theory about, or hypothesis? We won't even call it a theory. How do you pull it all together? What do you surmise? What's your sort of theory about or hypothesis? We won't even call it a theory How do you pull it all together? What do you think happened here? And in where to think both what happened and what went off the rail? First off I think that both dr. Francis Collins and dr. Fauci Were pushing the envelope on gain of function now, I will tell you that my good friend, Senator Paul, and Fauci got into a lot of fights.

And sometimes I thought they were talking past each other because you can have your standard gain of function, which is breeding, you know, a Labrador Retriever with a poodle and coming up with a Labradoodle. That's technically gain of function. And yet, what we really are concerned about is gain of function where there's a risk to human health. And I don't think they pay close enough attention

to the grants they gave to EcoHealth Alliance, both in the beginning. Well, let me stop you. I wanna stop you. I wanna stop you each step of the way. What would be the motivation if we were to be charitable? Why would we want to support that and be charitable? Be as charitable as you can.

Do we have to prepare for some attack that would help us prepare for? Do we have to develop techniques so we stay ahead of the way, got the guys next door just so maybe we would with weapons and things? Is that a mindset? What's going on there?

The mindset is that they fear that there will be a natural mutation. They fear that desperately. And so they want to be in advance of the natural mutation. So they start studying these infectious diseases. And then somewhere along the way- It's not bio warfare. It's not bio warfare they're worried about.

They're worried about just- Well, that's correct. They're worried about Ebola. They're worried's correct. They're worried about Ebola. They're worried about inbox. They're worried about all these other things. And I think what happened, being generous, is they were worried about that. So they kind of looked the other way

when they knew that they were doing research in a level two lab. It clearly should have been a level three lab. And they kind of looked the other way thinking, well, we got to get this research done. So we'll give it to this third party group, EcoHealth Alliance, and they'll go to a foreign country and we can march our hands of it.

And that's what they tried to do. And when they realized it might blow back on them, I think there was some feeling that, if it was a lab leak even, which is what I believe happened, they were afraid it would come back on them. Well, I think it has. I think most rational people today would admit that it is the odds on favorite that it was a lab leak.

In fact, I'm so convinced of it that if there were to be a jury trial. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. We froze. There you go. Be back. He was gonna decode.

This is the three letter agencies that Dr. Gold was referring to. Okay, we got your bow. Wow. I thought the NSA was getting involved here. I didn't want to hear what the jury trial would yield, but go ahead. What I was gonna say is,

I believe that I could get a jury to find on circumstantial evidence that all we have today that there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt or at least two, eliminating all reasonable doubt that it came out of the lab. I don't think it was intentional. I think it was just sloppy work. Their filtration system was horrible. Even with a level two lab, I'm not sure they really met level two, but the Chinese claimed they did. But one of their own doctors was advocating in 2019

that they might want to get a better filtration system because basically all they had was your basic, you know, charcoal filters. They didn't have the filters, they didn't have any other kind of filtration. They ultimately sort of immediately put that in, did they not? In my opinion, they closed the barn door

after the horses were out. And I think that's what happened. That's exactly right. But they were doing dangerous research and we've seen signs they might be continuing to try to do some of that. And we've been trying to put a stop to that. And some of the legislation that we have,

one of the bills that Dr. Paul and I have together is a bill that would say you gotta have an independent group, independent of NIH, they have an internal group that's supposed to be looking at risky research. Nope, nope, you didn't do a good job on COVID, whether it came out of a lab or it was somehow natural, which there's no evidence that it was natural. But even if you wanted to buy that,

shouldn't be doing that research, that risky research without an independent review process because it raises all kinds of questions about whether or not you made the right call. And mistakes can happen, but we need to have an extra safety net to try to stop as many damages as we can and as many mistakes as we can at various labs. If we're paying, if the taxpayers are paying for it,

we better have some security around it. And were you looking also at the COVID response itself, the excesses of the lockdowns and Francis Collins is on the record saying, we didn't, we just wanted one thing, they stopped this virus. Well, that's how you harm people. I always tell people when I was training residents, they were, I'd ask them to justify the decisions they made,

show me the literature, what's your backup plan. But if they said to me, I had to do something, I would crucify. That is unacceptable when it comes to medical care of anybody, let alone the entire country, let alone the entire world. No risk reward considerations. You are going to harm people.

I don't care how much you accomplish, you will always harm. And the harm in this case clearly outweighed the response. Yeah, I think that's accurate. I think you can make an argument and look Congress is equally guilty on this. You can make an argument maybe for the first two or three months with shutting down some stuff. After the first two to three months there's no argument for having our society shut down. I mean my favorite one was I'm a

swimmer. I've been a swimmer my whole life. We shut down all the swimming pools because they didn't think it was it was safe to have people swimming in a vat of chlorine. I mean if you wanted to raise the chlorine level attach, that's fine. But it was not, oh my gosh, you can't be in a swimming pool. Come on people. They didn't use any reason. Yeah, it's. Yeah, I mean, it's just a terrible.

We're allowed to go in the ocean. Yeah, we had a guy here picked up by the Coast Guard for paddle boarding off a pier, you know, 300 yards out in the ocean by himself. He had to go to jail. Cause he didn't wear a mask. I'm just teasing. No, the beaches are closed and he didn't wear a mask. So, so.

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Just so disgusting. What happened? Well, we damaged our children by far. We damaged our economy. Oh, 100%. I said it from the beginning. I said eight to 12 year olds, you're going to destroy them. That's a group that is not going to recover from this.

It's just so, so predictable. And, you know, we, and if you saw Gavin Newsom has a new podcast that's a group that is not gonna recover from this. It's just so, so predictable. And, you know, we, I don't know if you saw Gavin Newsom has a new podcast and he had Charlie Kirk in there. And Kirk goes, hey, why me? It seems a little, it's interesting. You're gonna let me in on your podcast.

And Newsom, Governor Newsom here in California goes, well, you know, my son's a great fan of yours. And Charlie says, why isn't your son here? He goes, well, he has school, he can't miss school. And California goes, well, my son's a great fan of yours and Charlie says, why isn't your son here? He goes, well, he has school, he can't miss school. And he goes, really, so you wouldn't let your son miss a few

hours of school? Absolutely not. Why'd you close us down for two years, damage all those kids? That you didn't care about, well, your kids went to private school, give me a break. My God, anyway, so,

these are the people leading us, fantastic. We should make him president. And the totalitarian instinct, let's hope not indeed. The totalitarian instinct that sort of bore out during COVID was just so astonishing to me. Complete the sort of willingness to

trample on civil liberties, just boom like that, no problem, done. Are these people, I mean, as you sort of share the findings of the committee with your peers, are as anybody contrite? Are they reconsidering their positions?

Are they thinking about what they did? I'll get it better next time. Or is there any self-evaluation going on and the people that lead this country? A little bit. We've seen a little bit at the NIH

with some of their scientists that they're now sounding the same kind of concerns that were raised by this. So I think there's a little bit, I don't think it's sufficient, which is why I think we need to get legislation passed that, you know, as I we need to get legislation passed that, as I said, we break up NIAD, we make transparency at NIH more available for people getting royalties

on certain types of research and whether or not that's right. There may be an argument for it. To get the top scientists, you may need to pay a little bit of a royalty. At the same time, we need the information delivered to Congress so that we can make a decision on behalf of the American people, whether that makes sense or it's just somebody lining their pockets. And then last but not least, that risky research panel that I mentioned

is absolutely essential, I believe, because someday, someplace, sometime, maybe not 2024, 2025, or not 2024, 2025 or 2026, but by 2029, people will have forgotten and NIH may go back to not paying as close attention to risky research as I hope they are today. And we need an independent board out there that will make sure that we are studying

all of this information and making sure that if we're doing something, there better be a good reason for it. As you said, it can't just be, well, we got to do something. No? Yeah, can't. We need to leave some of these viruses alone. They're very dangerous.

Why would we want to spread them around the world to do research and possibly have an outbreak of? And the one that I'm most worried about in the midterm is monkeypox. I mean, bird flu is something to keep an eye on, but there's a lot of things we can do on bird flu. But monkeypox is a problem. Ebola, it's a problem.

Why would we want to go and stir everything up and spread those viruses around the world with hundreds of researchers or even dozens of researchers working with the virus? Every time you have that virus out there, there's a greater likelihood that it's gonna be some kind of an accident or somebody's gonna forget they got it

in the back of the freezer. And I mentioned that because when I first got to Congress a number of years ago, they just finished a study of US labs and it was a government lab. They found a frozen substance in the back of one of the lab freezers. Nobody knew what it was. So they took it out and they tested it. It had live smallpox living in them. It was frozen, but it was in the back of one of the lab freezers, nobody knew what it was. So they took it out and they tested it.

It had live smallpox living in it. I mean, it was frozen, but it was in the back of the freezer and it was unlabeled. So the more times you put human involved, and there was no outbreak as a result, the more time you have that kind of human involvement where they're taking it in and out of the freezers or refrigerators, they're messing with it in the lab,

they're goofing around doing whatever. I mean, people do things. And next thing you know, something bad is breaking out on the world that we don't have any information on. And that's what happened. One of those scenarios is what I think happened with COVID-19. To go back to the NIH and supervision, one of the most poetic Shakespearean chapters of the COVID saga is the fact when Jay Bhattacharya told me that he was being considered for NIH, I took my breath away.

I'm like, oh my God, this is the greatest, the greatest I've ever had. Shakespeare could not write a better drama than what happened to him. And so I'm so, so, so grateful for that. And I have deep and profound respect and faith in what he will do. So I think you can rely on him to pay attention

whether or not he can set up a system that will continue to do so. I have faith he might. My other question was that I'm wondering what your colleague, Dr. Ron Paul is thinking as it pertains to something that I'm about to sort of frame. You talked about how they want to go after monkeypox and berfl, blah, blah, blah, blah. It all feels fundamentally like a hysteria and like an absolute denial of the biological

reality of the human experience. And forget human, mammalian experience. I mean, they're focused on these nasty viruses. In the meantime, there's polydrug resistant tuberculosis in my town. There's also mosquito transmitted indigenous mosquito transmitted

dengue fever, which is a major, major deal in my town. And no concern, but we're going to go after those. Those viruses destroy the world. Now look, shit is going to happen in a biological system. It's just the nature of the system. You're not going to be able to stop the world. Now look, shit is going to happen in a biological system. It's just the nature of the

system. You're not going to be able to stop at all. It's just not so. And so there's this, it feels like a weird denial of that and hysteria, denial of biological reality and

hysteria as it pertains the boogeyman. And by the way, there was pandemic preparedness for the boogeyman and they threw it all away when the pandemic actually occurred. And by the way, there was pandemic preparedness for the boogeyman and they threw it all away when the pandemic actually occurred. So how are we supposed to rely that they're gonna do the right thing next time? Yeah, well, I agree with you that there's some denial.

They're looking at these significant threats but ones that are more remote instead of looking at these significant threats, but ones that are more remote instead of looking at the immediate threat. That's the denial. The hysteria is, I think, and this is an opinion, based on some information, but it's just part of my gut feeling. I think that the leaders at the NIH

thought they could get ahead of this and they were so good, they could prevent future outbreaks of bad things like Ebola and impacts and coronaviruses. Something will happen. I'm not saying I want them to give up, but something will happen. Something will happen. Let's prepare for that. And they didn't look sufficiently at the risks they were taking and they weren't focused on,

and I think this is true across a lot of government agencies, they weren't focused on the day-to-day stuff that's a real problem. I mean, you're right. The antibiotic resistant bacteria, there's a big deal. I've been pushing for phage therapy. I love the concept because we're gonna need it. And I'm probably one of the few people

that's actually visited sewage treatment plants for a different reason. But that's where you find the viruses that attack the antibiotic resistant bacteria. Great book out of a couple, The Perfect Predator, coming out of San Diego State and how they saved that man's life. It's a fun book to read. Lots of good science in it.

It's about five or six years old now. Talking about phase therapy, but those are the kinds of things we need to be looking at because that's a worldwide problem. And it's here today. It's not here next month. It's not here five years from now. It's here today.

And then the dengue fever, you know, yeah, it's a problem. And in the meantime, by the way, while you're putting your fingers in the dyke, the virus could travel in on an asteroid or something. Something could come, who knows what? We can't predict at all. We can't get rid of it all. We just can't.

It's not in our biology. I can't help but laugh a little bit at that because when I was in high school, I read a Scientific American article that posited that perhaps the common cold came in on an asteroid because it didn't exist until something like the 12th century was not in the medical records anywhere. And then all of a sudden it's all over the place. And so we say that, but we have seen microbial life in several different places in the space.

And it's, I mean, it's a little out there, but it's possible. Look, people, this makes me angry a little bit because people, they talk about the trillions and trillions of planets that go, well, there's gotta be life somewhere. Yeah, but maybe not mammalian life. The most likely thing would be a virus or a bacterium.

That's by far the most likely thing. And ones we have not seen before, and it will show up here on a comet or something, and then we'll have a problem. And that's that. And by the way, I'm of the opinion that some of the speciation and leaps forward in evolution may have come from things like that

that got intercalated. And where did mitochondria come from? Those are little bacteria that created the mammalian cell. That's what they are. How did they, where did those mitochondria come from? There was plants, all of a sudden there was animal cells and the mitochondria is what did it. So I don't know, maybe that came in on a something.

Maybe I believe that that's God playing with us and that he does these things, he uses different devices, but I think it's God's human. I'm good with, because it is such an overwhelmingly massive consideration, call it what you will, frame it as you will, but it's bigger than us, way bigger than us. Bigger than us, yes sir.

So there you go. So back, if you don't mind, to the pandemic preparedness, why do you think that was tossed out with such vigor? It was completely just crushed. And a new playbook was invented with things like social distancing and six feet and all this nonsense. And then the world adopted it. This is the part I can't believe. The world took it on.

What, how, do you have a sense of how that happened? I don't. I mean, my gut again is, is that they panicked. And I think there was some feeling that in the back of their minds, they would deny this. They have denied it, that they thought maybe it was a lab leak. Even those who most staunchly said it was not a lab leak,

I think deep in the recesses of their brain, they woke up at night going, oh my gosh, we might accidentally contributed to this. And I think that led to them going to more severe restrictions because they were trying to put the genie back in the bottle. That's again conjecture on my part. And as I said, the scientists who were involved

at the time would all deny that, but I've got to believe that that's part of the explanation for such a, and lasting more than two or three months, such a strong, we have to continue to shut everything down response. Yeah, it was weird. So weird. What if we were charitable about this?

Again, I'm trying to soften the blow of all this as a way of sort of peeking under the hood. Being charitable, what if they were not having secret thoughts about a lab leak? What if their secret concern was, oh my gosh, I've heard about these bio weapons and these bio weapons have mutation capabilities that are built into them that could amplify their infectivity with time or something. Do you think that was a possibility in some of these folks' minds? I have to say I've not seen any evidence in my examination of witnesses and talking with people

of any thoughts about bio weapons in this case. Now, you know, and a lot of people early conjectured that maybe it was some of the Chinese plan. If the Chinese were gonna plan that, which I don't think they did, they would have had it affect non-Hong Chinese people. It would have been specific to other races, not them. And they suffered just as badly as the rest of the world.

So I think this was, I truly believe, in my opinion, and I've stated this to Collins, I think to Fauci too, I think what happened was we gave them the humanized mice, which they didn't have. The Chinese didn't have that. We gave it to them as a part of this coronavirus work. And they had the ability to do a lot of mixing and matching. And I know that this is not part of the Chinese culture, but I can see some of my buddies,

if they had the capability of doing something, saying, hey, let's look at this. Let's see what happens if we do this in the lab. And then they accidentally created something and they couldn't figure out how to get it under control. That, I think, is your best theory. Bioweapons are a concern, but I think you would see something

that was targeted more to the enemies of China, if it was a Chinese plot or to some other nation, if it had come out of their nation, you would have seen something that triggered. And there's lots of diseases, you know, that affect Africans and Greeks sickle cell. Let it be noted that Representative Griffith is a racist. He dares to say that certain viruses attack certain races. Of course there is different genetics and it's different in fact. Of course there is.

I have to select, I have to be careful with anti-hypertensive. I select for different racial groups because they respond differently. Of course, alcoholism, it affects certain groups. It's just the way the human is. There are different genetic groups, as you said, since the sort of classic thing is sickle cell. But there's a million other ones.

There's a million other ones. And it gets more and more complicated and granular as you look into the biology of the human. It does. And there's no question about it. I mean, I have blue eyes. There's a study out there that says you can trace that all the way back to one mutation somewhere

in the Nordic countries tens of thousands of years ago. So, you know, all kinds of things. Yeah, and you know what you can argue? You can argue about whether race exists. That's a reasonable argument, but you cannot deny the fact that different groupings of people that evolve in different environments have different biological

responses to certain pharmacological agents and infectious agents, just the way it is. And if we don't know that as physicians, it's gonna be a big problem. It's gonna be a big problem for the people we try to treat because we're gonna treat them incorrectly. That's true. It's gonna be so angry, all this stuff.

It happens, yeah. All right, so we'll listen. I wanna let you go. Is there anything else that you have learned that you'd like to share with us or things that are in your crosshairs going forward? I'll just always be keeping an open mind. You've got some good studies.

I always like to read a good study. Sometimes it takes a while because I have to look up a lot of the words if it's not in my field, which some of this is and some of it isn't, but I enjoy learning. And so that's what we have to keep doing is pushing forward, getting the information, getting the facts and make good decisions based on actual facts and real science. I think we worth all of our while too, to the, I don't know if you heard my last guest, but that intersection of the law and medicine,

Simone Gold's book, I think is gonna be a historical document in terms of chronicling where that went off the rail as well, as well as the practice of medicine. I look forward to, I've heard her speak, I've met with her before, and I look forward to reading her book. Congressman, thank you for being here.

Thank you for your work. If anything, I hope you'll raise your hand and let us call upon you if you have anything that's sort of new or interesting that comes across your desk or your committee. And we look forward to, you know, just get to the truth sort of new or interesting that comes across your desk or your committee. And we look forward to, you know, just get to the truth and let's reduce the probability

that anything like this happens again. And that's the key. That's the key, reduce the possibility of this happening. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you, have a good evening. We'll give you his particulars again. That is representative Morgan Griffith. You can get him morgangriffith.house.gov and also repmgriffith on X.

Susan you lean in. What was the name? I don't think your mic's on. There you are. Mike, I don't know why it's so working today. I think it's working now. Yep. So what was the name of that virologist that we interviewed that said that she thought

it was a lab one? I was going to bring her up, but I decided. I know. You don't want to call him out. But I mean, it could gonna bring her up, but I decided against it. I know, you don't wanna call him out. I mean, it could be what he thinks, but I don't know. Shoot, I was gonna bring her name up, and I was thinking of her and her name three minutes ago, and now I've got it.

Yon, Ling, Yan, Caleb, you must remember. Yan, Yan. Li Ming Yan? Li Ming Yan, yes. Yeah, see, I knew he could do it. Thank you, Caleb. Li Ming Yan. Look what a young brain can do.

Lee Minyad. Yeah. But she had a, I mean, what I liked about her story is she worked on the backbone for the People's Liberation Army and she has a theory about what she was doing, you know, and so, you know, I- She thinks the CCP was behind it.

She thinks it was an, she thinks there were two releases and they were both intentional. I don't, I actually don't. That just doesn't make common sense. Well, I always wondered why we weren't mad at them and why we weren't. But then people said because we were behind the gain of functioning, Fauci was involved. So we didn't call them out. I think the times call for us all to not be hysterical, or we will be as bad as the people who were

hysterical during the pandemic. I'm- But did she say it was a planned leak or it was an accidental leak? She said it was an intentional leak. And this is the the New York Times, right? This is this last weekend. It's my new favorite. My new favorite headline. Yeah, but there's a couple things about it. Leave it up there. So first of all, it was an op-ed. Secondly, it was by a sociologist. And thirdly, New York Times is already distancing themselves from it.

And that's what's making me angry. The New York Times should be leaning into this and get some reporting. They're supposed to have reporters about giving the facts and evaluating the facts. Yeah, but they're all too biased. Well, they indeed are, so I don't know. The most interesting part about that article,

the New York Times one, that we were badly misled about the event that changed our lives article, are reading the comments from people and seeing some people, this is a moment that made them click and like, hold on a second. We trusted all these, oh yeah, a lot of the comments are like that.

A lot of them are still very, very deep in that lost state of they try to find ways around it and they're criticizing the New York Times for it and saying it's gonna be misused by right wingers. And I'm like, look at facts. Just, it doesn't- Did she review the zoonotic origin evidence? Cause there is evidence.

It's not like it's a wild theory that came from nowhere. She reviewed that also, right? It was more so about how they just completely discounted any idea that wasn't fitting with that narrative. And then it's so interesting. Like to me, it was so interesting because I absolutely read that paper and the proximal origins paper, whichever one

that first really started it. And I don't know who any of those doctors and researchers and names are, but I saw a list of a lot of names, and I just thought, well, they must be right. It's the same thing to me about those 50 something intelligence agents that said the Hunter Biden laptop wasn't real. I immediately discounted it, and I feel like that's a spin off of Gelman and Nesia in a way where I yet again allowed myself to be misled because there were so many names. And then it comes out all of them were lying to me.

No, they weren't lying. They were not lying. I'm just reading. Christian Anderson was one of the, no, they believed it. And when you hear him and what he wrote and talked about the experience of presenting his theory to Dr. Fauci, he is very clear that his opinion is that Fauci did not urge him one way or

the other, he just listened to him present his case. And his case and worth two or three of his colleagues was they were looking at the viral structure and sort of saying, hey, this could happen this way. Not that it did happen that way, that it could happen this way, not that it did happen that way,

that it could happen that way. And we're still in that state. Everyone needs to keep their mind open about everything when it comes to biology. That's actually someone I would love. To say, thus saith the Lord, you're gonna be, when you say thus saith the Lord, you're gonna be in a problem.

Science, let me just restate. Scientific method, Brett Weinstein, God bless you for supporting me on this, is a very delicate mechanism. And the best it can do is take a hypothesis, confirm it repeatedly through experimentation, which then after repeated experimentation brings it up to the status of theory. That's it.

And if you're lucky, that theory can create some laws that are mathematical. If the theory really is predicting something in the future that you can then model mathematically, not even model, predict with a mathematical formula like gravity or the Schrodinger equation, things like that. And even the original theories on gravity, the original predictive, predictive structured, the predictive formulas, Isaac Newton turned out to be incomplete, inaccurate. There was a more accurate way to saying it.

And then Einstein came up with a more accurate theory and a more accurate model, not model, model's the wrong word, formula for predicting the future. And so these are provisionally laws and laws are above theory, but everything in biology is pretty much theory. I would be very interested in speaking with Dr. Christian Anderson specifically,

because from the very earliest documentation about the pandemic, his name is always popping up. And he did seem like he was very straightforward of a researcher. It didn't seem like he was spinning things. If I remember correctly, it seemed like he was trying to

stick with facts. Yeah, no, he was not, that's why I pushed back on you calling it lies. I mean, there may have been lies amongst it, but it was not him. It was not that original group. What's weird is it was a letter, it was a letter, it was a letter, it was rushed out,

it wasn't a paper, it was a lot of weird aspects to it. But okay, they needed to get information out there. I should clarify that. I wasn't thinking the proximal origins paper was lies. I was saying that the intelligence agents that said that the Hunter Biden laptop and was all Russian disinformation,

I was saying that is, some of those people were obviously misleading us for political purposes Well, I what I have learned through this at what dr. Kelly who's joining us on Thursday, by the way at noontime What dr. Kelly calls the kovat debacle what I have learned from that is whenever you have to when there's an active suppression of reasonable alternative opinions. In fact, any opinions, something's up. There's something wrong. That when somebody says,

hey, I disagree with Christian Anderson. I think it might've been a lab leak. And that has to get suppressed from all fronts. Watch out everybody. Red flags. Not only are you red flags in terms of it being a Psyop and then the people that are doing it that are not part of the Psyop, that is totalitarian instinct telling other people what they should believe and what

they should say disgusting we should all be disgusted by it. I still disagree with him. Is your mic on? Is her mic on? Yeah. Okay. I can't hear. I still disagree. Oh we can't hear you. God damn it. There you are. Hello you are. Hello? Is this thing on? Okay. So I still disagree because if it was a couple of knuckleheads from the United States with the Union mice and they let it leak by accident, it would be all over the news. It wouldn't because they made up this story about the pangolin. It makes me suspect China even more.

Look at the release here, Kelly Victory Noon on Thursday. And then we're going to try to switch to two o'clock because so many other shows are on at three. So we're going to be two. Romeo Gander and Sabine Hazan in here be very interesting, Salty Cracker coming back.

What's that Susan? Yeah, I'll do that in a second. But I want to talk about our friends at Paleo Valley just a second before we wrap up. But there's a lot more coming. I'm really looking forward to that 26 show.

Tom Renz has got some updates for us as well. And we have some updates about our friends at Paleo Valley. We'll talk about that very quickly. Of course, I just had bone broth for the show. It really helped me with my

hunger. And of course, we just had a grandchild born. It reminds me that during our days, Susan, sleepless nights, brain fog, when we're triplets were infant, Paleo Valley's protein products at the time could have been very helpful.

I was living on Dove bars, if you remember that at the time. This is much, much, much better nutrition, much. The processed meat sticks, like the venison chicken, beef, the venison and beef are grass-fed. The chicken is pasture raised. The company's unique method of fermentation that is chemical free.

Again, they're exquisitely careful with everything they provide. Susan and I also would love the chocolate and the salted caramel grass-fed bone broth. And yeah, we are, as she mentioned, we mentioned our bottomless coffee, which is three pots a day, something like that. We put, yeah, we put Pailer Valley into it.

Pailer Valley's bone broth protein powder is made from bones, not hides. And of course, not only us, but my son and daughter, I swear by it as well. It is delicious. It is a great source of protein. It's collagen. And we can't give this the little one just yet.

Go to DrRoo.com slash Pailer Valley for 15% off your first order, 20% off when you subscribe, which we highly recommend. Again, collagen, high quality protein and it does take good. It's very hard to get bone broth to taste good and Autumn and the group has done a great job with that. And these sticks are not salty. They are not indeed. They're low, all this is low calorie, not like a Dove Bar. Okay, Caleb, anything else They're low, all this is low calorie. Not like a Dove Bar. Okay, Caleb, anything else I should run through?

I'm looking at the rants and the restream. Go buy it. Go buy it. Thank you, Dee Dee. Dr. Li Wei Leng and the PPE hoarding months before the outbreak, that's true. She had lots of interesting theory about that. We should maybe bring Li Ming Yang back in.

She was always very interesting. And her English has got a little clearer. It's how it's going. Emily, can we get her tomorrow? That'd be so cool. Early, like about 11 o'clock Eastern. So, well, that's what I'm saying. If we did, we'd have to.

Oh, okay. So we could do it early tomorrow if somebody wanted to do one early. Okay. Okay, with Kelly. Kelly is being a little proprietary. She wants to spend some time with her. We had a lot of catching up to spend some time with her.

We had a lot of catching up to do, she and I. So, but maybe Lee Mancon here, has anyone seen comments about the contact Dr. Drew form not working? Oh, have issues with online order. Thank you, Dogma. Susan, there's something. I'll check on that.

That's really strange. Cause we've gotten some, we've gotten emails. So that might, I'll check on it. I'll double check. The forums not working have issue with online order. Online order. Are you talking about the bobbleheads? Maybe.

It's drdrew.com slash shop. Shop, and the shop by the way, and back to the store again, we've got a lot of great stuff available on the store. People are interested in it. Does there a drop down for the store now on the homepage, Caleb? No, I'll check on that because the contact format,

drjoo.com, is different from any of the others, from the shop and things like that. So I'll check on that. No, no, no, but I switched topics on you. The store is slowly opening here, and we've got some really interesting things there to empower patients. This is drj.com slash store.

Shop. Shop slash shop. You get a Bobblehead. The last I was told is that I wasn't supposed to promote it yet. So they're getting a sneak preview by hearing about it now. The store.

Yeah. The store. No, I've been told to kind of roll it out a little bit. Oh wait, a Londorder. But so my, the Bob head floating over my head. So my question is, where do they click through? If they want to look into it, because I would advise people to do so now,

to familiarize themselves with the story and they can send stuff at the contact form, what it is they'd like us to have there. We can make more things available. But is it just to click through now? Or do we have that up yet? If's if they want to go preview it, it's at shop.drdrew.com. Shop slash doctor.

I'm gonna have to ask that 10 more times. Shop.drdrew.com. No, it's doctordrew.com slash shop. Is it also slash shop? doctordrew.com slash shop, both? Is that the store? No. Not yet. We're gonna wrap this thing up. I'm looking, No. Not yet. We're going to wrap this thing up.

I'm looking, no, not yet. Oh, it's a dog mama had issue with the bobblehead. She was trying to get a lot of hands. Okay, that's a different one. Yeah, we'll contact them. Yeah. It's drdrew.com slash shop. That's how you get the bobbleheads.

You get 12 bobbleheads for 35 ish, about $35. So you can sell them or you can keep them for whatever reason. I'm going to look at it right now. And it's store. And it's store. And it's store. And it's store. And it's store.

And it's store. And it's store. And it's store. And it's store. $35 ish, about $35. So you can sell them or you can keep them for whatever reason. And I'm gonna look at it right now. And it's store, oh there it is. And it's store slash doctor.com for the, there was slash bobblehead as you can put it on too. Store slash doctor.com for the- No, no, no, that's, no, no, no, no.

It's shop.doctordrew.com for the preview of the shop. And if you want to get the bobble heads, that's at DrDrew.com slash bobble head. No, it's shop. No. Hang on. No. Dude, I'm googling it.

It's DrDrew.com slash shop. I mean, you could probably get to it from all of those Susan, but. Oh, shop is for the bobble head. She just put it up on the web. No, DrDrew.com slash shop. That will give you the bobblehead and you get 12 a case of 12 for 35 99 if you want to go to the shop Let's see if that's Can hold on we're looking at everything. Oh

Okay, yeah, if you want to go to products that we have, our good products, you know, you know, we see and all the great products, then you go shop.Dr. Drew.com. Okay. It's very confusing. And I don't know why it ended up like that, but we have to, we have to get rid of some of these bobbleheads. Well, this is great radio by the way, because we can't hear Susan. Oh, they couldn't hear you at all.

Susan. All right, we're going to have to wrap this thing up. I don't want to people love love bad. We need to sell these damn things. What is the web sell? Say one more time. What did you where did you find Dr. Drew dot com slash Dr. Drew dot com slash sharp shop and you can preview the store at shop dot Dr.

Drew dot com. There we go. All right. Thank you, Diva Dog Mom. We have lots of dog mommas out there. All right, we'll see you guys Thursday noon with Dr. Kelly Victory making a command performance. She will be here with us noon Thursday. See you then.

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