Ask Dr. Drew - Dragonbridge: China’s Secret Bot Network Targets Escaped Virologist Dr. Li-meng Yan & Scientists Who Support The Wuhan Lab Leak Theory – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 304

Episode Date: January 6, 2024

Media Forensics Hub of Clemson University uncovered a Chinese state-sponsored campaign to discredit scientists who say COVID originated from a lab in Wuhan – and escaped virologist Dr. Li-meng Yan��is one of their top targets. By churning out thousands of offensive memes and spammy posts, the CCP government aims to discredit its critics and bury conversations under millions of bot accounts and fake profiles on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube. The report says China organized “what is sometimes referred to as the 50 Cent Army, a collection of as many as two million social media users which make online comments at the direct behest of the state” and that the operation “has been called by different names by different analysts, including “Spamouflage Dragon“ (by the network analysis firm Graphika) and “Dragonbridge” (by the Google owned cybersecurity firm Mandiant) and has been operating continuously since, at least, April 2017.” Dr. Li-meng Yan (AKA Dr. Yan Limeng, 闫丽梦 or 閆麗夢) is a Chinese virologist known for her publications and interviews alleging that SARS-CoV-2 was made in a Chinese government laboratory. She came to the United States in 2020, where she has co-authored several preprint research papers that are intended to back up her claims. Follow Dr. Yan at https://x.com/DrLiMengYAN1 and listen to her show “The Voice of Dr. Yan” on America Out Loud Radio Network at https://www.americaoutloud.com/voice-of-dr-yan/ 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW for a huge discount at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome everyone. Today as part of our year-end programming, we are going to bring back our friend, Dr. Li Mengyuan. She's a Chinese physician and virologist who was actually doing research on the SARS-CoV-2 backbone of the virus. And started asking questions and was threatened with disappearing. She has escaped China and she has been speaking out about what she knew from having been inside doing research on behalf of the People's Liberation Army. Now she has been the clear target of Operation Dragon Bridge. It's a secret bot network, and it sounds paranoid. I got wrapped up in it.

We're going to show it to you. We're going to show you how crazy it is. And as I'm sitting here thinking about showing you all what has happened, I get angry with the people from this country who jumped on it and amplified what they were doing early on. You should be ashamed of yourself. This is a crazy campaign by the Chinese Communist Party on behalf of the People's Liberation Army. We will show it to you after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths after this. treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals, but just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. Ladies and gentlemen, it is the holiday season,

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to discredit, particularly scientists, but really anyone who dared to question whether or not this was possibly the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, a source of a lab leak, that this originated there somehow. To even discuss it results in extraordinary measures by this bot army of more than a million people, maybe two million. And Dr. Li Mengyan has been a consistent object of this organization. As I said, she's a physician, a virologist. She's an excellent researcher.

And I'm calling all of you who have jumped on her and attacked her personhood. As usual, these ad hominem attacks, you should be really, if you've been someone who has engaged in ad hominem attacks in the last couple of years, you should really check yourself and think about this. To disagree with her research or her conclusions, fine. That's the scientific process. Go at it. But when you jump on the bot army's insanity, you should really, really take a good look at yourself. We'll show you what's been happening. Please welcome Dr. Li-Meng Yan.

Hi, Dr. Ju. Welcome back. Thank you for having me. So, of course, it's interesting. It's the last three or four years, Susan, we have been told by several people, Dr. Yan amongst them, you're so courageous to talk to me.

You know, the fact that it takes courage to talk to a human being, people, again, we should be, think about, do we live in a country where you have to have courage to speak to somebody? That is a disgusting turn of events that we should, could even those words have to come out of people's mouths. But here we are. And Susan, you know what I'm talking about, right? Yes, I do. And RFK said that to us. Dr. Jan said that to us. And most of these people who have said that to us over these last couple of years have ended up being, if not entirely on point, at least approximating some truths that we did not recognize. So Dr. Jan Yan, if you wouldn't mind, I always make you do this,

just in case people don't know your story. Tell them what you were doing, what your research was, just a brief sort of survey of what you were doing in China and how you got into this position. Okay, so briefly, for people who don't understand what I have done, I can tell you that I got my medical doctorate degree, I got my doctorate license in China, in mainland China, from a top university.

And then I finished my PhD study in another top medical university in China. And then I moved to the University of Hong Kong in the School of Public Health to work with the top emerging infectious disease experts in virology, immunology, vaccine development field. And I can tell you our lab in the University of Hong Kong is the WHO H5 reference lab. That means the people working inside are in charge of the surveillance and also report the emergency infectious disease in that region, including mainland China, to WHO and the last day, I was appointed secretly by my boss, Dr. Liu Peng,

to do the secret investigation through my own network in mainland China to understand what happened in Wuhan about the mysterious new virus. So from that day, I personally reached to my sources from the China CDC headquarter office to Wuhan hospitals, to the laboratories related to military. And anyway, so briefly, all the things I collected and the plus the analyze about the virus sequence from Wuhan. It all shows that this is not the nature origin virus and that this is well organized big thing. So China government was covering up everything and also the virus come out from the lab.

It is a product from the military and several labs work together. We usually call it bioweapon program. So altogether, this kind of thing is definitely continuously being covered up by WHO. With China, they promote pro-China, this kind of series and also suppress the truth. So I had to choose my way to deliver all the truth by myself to try to prevent it become worse.

So from the middle, January 2020, I managed to contact a YouTube blogger based in New York who is anti-CCP and his channel called Luda Media. So I convinced him to deliver the truth. And from 19th January 2020, he started to deliver the truth I revealed to the world in Chinese that immediately affects CCP's strategy. So after that, they started to admit, I mean, CCP start to admit all the things include human to human transmission, includes a wild spread of virus in China. And three days later, they push the lockdown, but they still managed to intentionally spread the virus all over the world. And also the workplace, Dr. Fauci, Peter Daszak,

all these people try to cheat all the world and to make you believe it come from the nature and make you soft. China can help you to anti-COVID-19. So let's talk about that. Let's stop right there. So let's talk about that. So, you know, I've read the Nature article that was making the case that this was an animal origin, that there was a natural origin.

The article, it was actually a letter. It wasn't even an article. They put it together really quickly. I listened to interviews with some of the principal scientists that put it together, and they seemed sincere. It was a pretty good article. Have you read it? You mean the letter? It should be the Lancet letter, right?

Because the Nature article was a pretty good article. It was a Nature article. It was the one that Fauci and his team put together very quickly, like within two weeks. And it's a very compelling article. It's well done. It makes sense. It doesn't mean it's the truth, but it seemed to me like a well-intentioned defense. I mean, they're scientists doing their thing, and it fit.

And I have no objection to it at all. But what I objected to was the shutting down of any discourse around that article or alternative explanations for where it came from. That was what was bizarre about the whole experience. And you're saying that that came from the World Health Organization and the CCP. I think there are several articles from Lancet, from Nature, from Nature Medicine, published from early February to March in 2020. They all focus on one topic, that this virus, from all the aspects, the scientists agree that it comes from nature. And they also remind you, don't talk about lab origins. That is conspiracy.

And they also show their praise to Chinese Communist Party for their behaviors in the outbreak. And I can tell you all of this, well organized, as you said, it's because it is well organized. Because China knows who are the scientists who would support them. And these people have already compromised, or already been tied with CCP for benefits. So these people would use their reputation. So what does that mean? So what does that mean?

That's the part I'm trying. Because over the time that we've spoken together, a lot of different things have come to light. A lot of new information has come forward, sort of. And one of the things that I'm wondering about is what you're calling a compromise of, say all kind of together on this bioweapons projects and concerns about it. And, you know, in other words, for Chinese Communist Party and also for Soviet Union before, they are called truth. You can call it useful idiot. So useful idiot means you are useful, but you can be abandoned after that. So they are not allowed to touch the core secret because briefly you are not the Chinese and you are not the Chinese Communist Party member.

You're even not the communist member internationally. So that means they cannot control you using the ways inside the communist parties. So they will only use you. So these people for long-term collaboration, they have mutual benefit with China. They have received like money or other way like China can help them to get promoted in the international organization to increase their influence.

So all together, finally when things happened, they choose to help China and China knows these people are puppies. So why do they need to immediately push the nature origin theory from early beginning of the pandemic? It's because

they won't give you a cognitive interference. This is very important. Say that again. I'm sorry. Say it again. They won't give you a what? Cognitive interference. So we call it cognitive warfare. So it is the same thing as we are going to talk about these boards doing on social media.

They are going to implant some idea to the public before even everyone has the idea about these things. Like before pandemic go to US, you may already heard scientists told you, it comes from nature. Don't think about have origin. Then when you face the pandemic, you say, oh, I know this will come and it come from nature. So that will change your decision and even change your government's policies. It begs the question, they i mean i if they're involved in what you're calling cognitive warfare which

god knows it seems like that's uh afoot these days i'm never sure where it's coming from because it's so odd but they must be engaged in cognitive warfare on other fronts than COVID origin. Where else do you see evidence that they're messing around with our psychology and the American psyche, so to speak? When we talk about cognitive warfare, besides COVID-19, another very good example is anti-Jewish, the pro-harmas campaign. But when the massacre happened, everyone saw how cruel it is. But immediately the campaign come out, they tell you, oh, those people are innocent and they are forced to kill the innocent Jewish and the pro-harmas, pro-terrorists, all like this. So this is another example. It becomes very clear

because this time, we see what happened in Israel. And back to the COVID-19 beginning, we didn't see, we can't see what happened in Wuhan because most of information was blocked.

And also, that takes longer time. So this is a good example. I want to make sure I'm hearing you. Is that just an example of cognitive warfare, the pro-Hamas demonstrations? Or do you think China is behind some or all of that?

It is an example to tell you how it works, but of course China is behind. Behind all the things, behind Hamas, and behind this kind of very cruel anti-human tragedy. So, I'm just so curious about this. Where is it operating that I might not see it? Where is it affecting my cognition and my opinions where I don't know it's operating? I mean, you give an example of something that seems kind of obvious, two things that are sort of obvious, but where is it more subtle? Is it on TikTok,

where they're sort of determining the algorithm that gets fed to me? You know what I mean? I sit on TikTok more than I want to when I start going down the rabbit hole there. Is that them? Where else is it operating and how? So when we talk about this kind of cognitive interference, it is a national strategy for China and also it works with Russia so they have more forces. And for this example, of course, pro-Hammaz campaign, they launch a lot of propaganda through TikTok, and not only TikTok, you can see it on Twitter, and also you even can see it on mainstream media.

And turns out, later we know that even some journalists that come from Hamas can publish New York Times and other mainstream media. They will give you the fake news to change your idea about Gaza and Israel. So they say it's a way. But tell me, does China have a department of cognitive warfare? And they sit and they think about how to get America to tear itself apart? How do they think about it? And then what are their goals?

Oh, okay. So, yes, yes, they do have their own department. And one of the departments is called propaganda. So, propaganda. And later it becomes this kind of cognitive warfare tactics. All these kind of China's CCP's one of the three magic weapons. So this is so magic for them because even back to World War II, when CCP just developed, established in China, they know how to cheat people using fancy words, using fake news, and suppress the real information, even suppress the people who are talking about real information. So that makes them to shift the fake narrative to brainwash people and even get people's support.

So later on, they develop aid. So from that time now, it's already almost over 100 years. And recently, so when we talk about how they interference American, definitely they need people to know American thinking. So say back from early 80s 1980s to now when China started to have the diplomatic relation with US they send Chinese people here and also many of these Chinese people especially those who get the national scholarship or government support they were already trained to be a kind of spy inside you. And then they know they need to do everything to serve for CCP's interest. So CCP need to know how the United States work, how the society work, how the government work, how media work, how people think about anything, how they treat them. So every year, there are a lot of money put into this kind of study.

They study almost everything in your life, and you don't know it even because it's published in Chinese, and many of them maybe not in public. So all of this accumulated for now over 40 years. They have a big database, and now they can use more data from TikTok, from other kinds of databases to steal your data. They can do a good analysis to see what's your favorite topic, what you usually tend to think about, and they will set the trap. The trap in the cognitive warfare is very important. They know you are going to this way.

They set the trap in front of you, and you fall into the trap. So basically, that's how it works. Susan, you're going to sleep okay tonight? I see you shifting over there. I already knew that. And can you give me an example of a trap? Or are we going to, I mean, we're looking at what they did to you in a second.

But so, because again, you go ahead. Very, very simple. When we talk about the virus, where it comes from, right? We talk about initially people thought it comes from the nature. Why? Because you have seen the

news that Chinese people eat the wild animals, sell the wild animals. So this is your thinking. And then they set a trap there and said, okay, we get samples from the seafood market which sells animals. And then they make a fake video to show you Chinese people eat bad soup. So then you say, oh yeah, see, it's my idea. Chinese eat wild animals, sell wild animals, so virus come from nature. So it sort of

like amplifies a momentum in our cognition that we already have, right? It sort of amplifies and then boom, takes us where they want us to go. It's like hypnosis. It's propaganda. Yes. Yeah.

So very interesting. So, Caleb, I want to now get into exposing the systematic abuse that… Yeah, I have some examples here to show. I'm going to pull up your tweets in a second here, Drew, but I have this one to start. These are just some of them that I found from those reports, examples of just artwork and memes and cartoons that are being produced. Get out of America with your virus lies, Lee Magnon. Oh, yeah, like attacking her specifically.

And then we have other examples here. Let's see, the next one is. Look at the people in the front with their fist clenched. That's University of pennsylvania that was a that was a specific thing you can tell us about that in a second trying to protest trying to uh get her kicked out of america as well so she can be disappeared in china right exactly posting an address that that apparently wasn't her actual address but i blanked it out because they i guess they thought it was her address that they were posting on these memes. And then some of these are like, anytime that we

would tweet, like if you would tweet about her, you'd get tons of responses, but they would always seem to come in, you know, not during daylight hours in the United States and North America. Like, for example, the post that you just made today, you're probably not going to get a bunch of those responses until, you know, maybe

like three or four hours from now, strangely enough. going to get all these and like for example like this this is what happened last time she was on the show where we just got a lot of these nonsense comments that just suddenly came in right really close to each other in time late at night that you read some of them because they're hard to see oh yeah it's like one just says like just listening they just respond and say no culture pig. Or they say you can really thick skinned or I have had enough of your garbage. But these accounts are like, you know, there's like a first name, bunch of numbers sort of thing where it's like Lisa Bass 5007647572. It's none of your business. Destructive rumors will only make, it's just nonsense.

Like it doesn't, none of this means anything, but it's just, it gives pages and pages of attacks just for talking about her. I wish we could find example of people from this country jumping on it because I get stuff from them too. Oh, they'll, yeah. Like, oh, she's, you know. They'll retweet it.

They sort of pile on to some of the nonsense from the bots, which is just shocking to me. But again, they must have fallen into the trap just like anybody else they are all humans are prone to these hypnotic kinds of uh cognitive processes yeah and it's it's so interesting how it's like they're using offensive memes against someone who's from their own country and then trying to portray it almost like it's americans are making these memes like see how the people are holding up American flags in the picture,

but it's quite obvious this is not made in America here. This is an attack from a foreign source. And there was something about University of Pennsylvania that was a specific problem, right? I'm trying to see. Georgianne?

Yes, yes. So, for example, this one, this photo, this picture is just one of many, many cartoons and in multi-language. I remember last time another report has analyzed these things and said at least seven different languages like Korean, Spanish, French, like this, to spread it everywhere. So when they put this address in the carton, actually, I just now kind of thought it is my address and try to hide it. But I said, no, I've never been there. You Penn, Penn Medical School.

No, I've never been there. This is not my address at all. But why do they put it there? It's because this bunch of cartoons came out from 2020 to March. And at that time, the Chinese Communist Party, even until now, they are desperately to find me. And then they can kidnap me or disappear me or kill me. But they can't. So they have to use some way. This is one of the methods they are using. They posted this kind of carton, said, I work in Japan. And then based on this carton, in April last year, a Chinese agent, the top agent in U.S., Liang Guanjun, he filed a lawsuit in the U.P. Federal Court.

In that lawsuit, he claimed, when I talk about the CCP origin of virus, it hurt him and hurt Asians. So that means I am anti-Chinese and anti-Asian. So in that lawsuit, he cited this Khatun, said, oh, we heard Dr. Yan work in Japan. That's why we want to make the lawsuit in Pennsylvania. And then later they tried to use the penis to find me out.

See, it's sneaky. And then, Calebaleb you read the you read the document right yeah i read most of the document that's where i got a lot of these images from and it's one of the other examples this is the one that you had also sent me today drew is that whenever you tweeted last time i believe this is a post that you had posted and the person actually deleted their tweet but this is a person with one follower no other content on their account at all except an attack that they attacked you

for hosting her. So you can't scroll up a little bit. You can't really see the attack so much. Well, no, because they deleted it. See, they deleted the attack. But if you go to this account, if you go to this account, then they have other random posts like this that have like nine views and no

interaction at all, where they just post a bunch of these random cartoons and memes, these offensive memes about this doctor, about this virologist who's an expert in her field, attacking her directly. And yet that account, then after this part of the campaign, suddenly you go to this account

and all it is is just a bunch of random viral videos. It's just kind of shut down. So that does not sound like American English. Give money to smear China. I'm just saying, give money to smear China. It's ridiculous. So, all right. So go back to my tweet, if you would put that up there, Caleb.

Chinese is getting better. Okay, so I just saw, I was screwing around, it was a couple months ago. What was that? I can't really see. November. And I noticed that this crazy comment

came on in response to something Dr. Li-Ming Yan was involved with. It was, I forget what she was, she was sort of engaged in a conversation about specific survivors or study on this, SARS-CoV-2 or something. And this wild comment came in. And so put my comment back up there.

So I'm gonna read it to people that are just listening and not necessarily watching. So I said, I actually, it seems so wild. I went downstream on the account and I said, interesting, one follower, no content except this comment, otherwise only retweets. Chinese bot, question mark, what do we think? And I tagged Caleb.

I really was curious. I tagged Dr. Yan and Susan and Barry Weiss because she was involved in, I guess, the conversation with Dr. Yan at that point and Dr. Victory. And within three hours, a well-edited sort of smear campaign emerged on me. It was fascinating. It was a bunch of videos I'd never seen, clearly brand new stuff, all edited in such a way to make me look bad. And I thought, oh, my goodness, they do this fast. And it's just, and it goes, and it keeps going.

It goes for days and days and days. Oh, they already had that prepared. Yeah. Susan's assuming they had their eye on me already. I mean, look at this. Look at this as well, Drew. Like if you go on X right now and you try to find Dr. Lee Ming-Yung,

look at how many fake accounts there are like you can just scroll and it's a constant look i just i'm still scrolling i'm still scrolling right these are all fake accounts all based on her name trying to mislead people into like so they can follow this account if they're looking for her they'll follow this account instead and then get information that the ccp wants get instead. I'm still scrolling, guys. Click on one. Let's go see what the account has. I'm afraid. Look, it's styled to look like it's her account.

See? It's styled. What kind of things are they saying? If it weren't for the deep love, let's see, how could the longing be flooded? It's just random nonsense, but they do this to build up the account to get followers or to try to mislead people. But it's just random it's random nonsense but they do this to build up the account to get followers or to try to mislead people but it's it it's bots it's bots somehow china

has figured out ways of getting around all of the mitigations against bots and yeah dr yon congratulations did you ever imagine i made it i guess imitation is the greatest form of flattery there's a tens of thousands of versions of you out there. But who the fuck do they think they're fooling? That's my question. It does not. It works for somebody. They are fooling somebody.

That's the problem. All right. Dr. John, I'm going to keep my expletives to a minimum here. I'm going to take a little break here, and I'm going to have you actually answer that question. What do they think they're doing? And is this just a sort of lowbrow attack

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So someone posted this as a comment on today's show right now where it's censorship through spam. So what they're doing is they are trying to bury her message, anything that she says, by spamming it with thousands of accounts that bury the stuff that she's saying. That's one of the tactics that they're using with all this. I mean, there's got to be at least two or three hundred of them. I'm still trying to scroll through them.

There's so many. That are piling in right now is what you're saying? No, I'm talking about all the fake accounts using her name on Twitter. But Susan just noticed a bunch of people just piled into Twitter right now. Yes, probably. Right now. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, we're

learning. We're learning about how the system works. So I'm surprised that Elon Musk is not doing something about this. He seems to want to sort of make this a safe, open environment of appropriate, honest discourse and disagreement. But to suppress anyone's opinion, I would think he would be against that. So if anyone would like to tag him with today's show, I think it's at Elon, is it? But go ahead and go tag him and question him about his awareness of the Chinese bot campaigns that are really focusing on other people. Dr. Yan, is there anyone else that you're aware of that's the object of these campaigns?

Oh, yes, of course. So just now that comment you posted, it's right. This kind of bot can prevent people to find out the real useful information. And also, this kind of rubbish comment will affect the AI analyze. So when we talk about chat GPT or other AI tools, they basically need to collect all this information and analyze using algorithms to make their own judgment.

So this kind of very huge amount of rubbish comment can efficiently change the analyze of the machine. And also, when we see this, this is just the part of the combination. China has combined the strategy, like some of this from the automatic account, but behind it, for example, last year, there was one report revealed that

behind these boards, this is Ministry of Public Security and the Ministry of State Security in China, like CIA and FBI. So they are working, I mean, staff's working on that, handling a lot of accounts and also they let the prisoners,

they force the prisoners to do it, handling this account, or they will also fund some companies to work for it. So this is a big campaign, but behind it, it was CCP's manpower. So that's why they can deliver CCP's instruction into this kind of rubbish campaign to kind of efficiently change people's idea or machine's idea okay so so so when i ask the question who do they think they're fooling they're not really

trying to fool anybody it's a very systematic strategy to drown out and then at the same time change algorithms and AI interpretation of the truth. Yes? Yes. You see, while specifically targeting someone like you, Dr. Zhu, then you will see there are some bots, not bots, the cyber army. They are really like some real people, even speaking the very smooth English. And then you will start these Americans who attack you and who try to criticize you, blame you, smear you.

Those are the accounts targeting you. It also can be hundreds of accounts behind them. It can be one person or one team from China. And then we have Americans, actual sort of stateside people that grew up here, who pile on. They seem

to be completely enthusiastic about piling on these things. Have you noticed that as well? And what do we do with those people? That's even more disturbing to me. You mean the young generation? So- No, I don't mean that specifically, that's funny.

But no, I mean, I see people criticizing your science and your training, but they're really not, they're going at you as a person. If they just want to be critical of your science, fine. But they will attack what was published, where it was published, how it was published.

They'll sort of get into the sort of really what's an attack on your ethics rather than attack on your arguments. Oh, yeah, there are so many. So the thing is, first, some of them could be the account just. It's not real Americans. And some of them, they're real people. They can be journalists, virologists, or even politicians, but they are compromised.

So behind them, there are people as I directly give them instruction or influence them. Or are they just the useful idiots, to quote Lenin? Is that possible that some of them are just don't understand that they just the useful idiots, to quote Lenin? Is that possible that some of them just don't understand that they are the useful idiots of an extraordinary external force? They are the useful idiots, but that doesn't mean they are so idiots.

These people, they know what they talk worth something. So they know how to exchange this, using their value to get what they want. So I don't think, at least most of them, I don't think they are so stupid, cannot distinguish what is real information, what is fake information, but they just don't mind. I think it's more disturbing.

I think they get swept up in the, it looks to me like this country gets into hysterias. And once people are swept into the hysteria and then the hysteria is politicized, people's cognition become adulterated. They start looking, they have a bias where they look for ways to attack you. And because, again, your training and arguments are fairly sound, they go past it

and don't realize they're attacking your ethics and how you collected your data and how you conducted yourself, not what your argument was. There are some people who is kind of, I always say this, this is kind of cycle. So it's kind of something just triggered that. It's like just some keyword or something triggered their bias.

And immediately they jump to that side and try their best to defend it. And even that has nothing about me or my evidence, but they kind of offence. And these are the people that China use cognitive warfare to activity. So these are the people, like those in the pro-Hamas protest. You ask, do you know Ham hamas they don't know it never heard about it before 7th october but they still get involved into the protest these are the similar people so as you sit now again i i was i was it's the year end and in addition to exposing this nonsense i was thinking i wanted to hear from you

your personal thoughts on this journey you've been this this experience you've been through from where you started where you just started raising questions to this conversation we're having today and sort of pulling back the curtain on these extraordinary attacks you're under. What are your thoughts about where we are, where your life, you know, how do you, what do you think about

what you've been through? What are your personal thoughts on this experience? And what we need to understand, learn from it, and do in response to it, I guess. So first, sort of your personal journey. What has this been like?

Not easy, but I'm used to it now. And it's just my life, my daily life, a lot of this kind of attacks, but also a lot of encouragement and support, like you and your team. So I enjoy my life. But hold on. But as you sat in the University of Hong Kong and were seeing patients and doing your research, that Li Meng is gone. And you've sort of become this other person.

What is that when you think about your experience? Do you think, I wish I could get back just to practicing medicine or i can't believe this happened to me or how do you how do you process all that that demon hasn't gone i'm still me i'm always consistent my value my thinking and just that the experience changed it accumulated more experience, but the environment changed. When I worked in that university at that time, I love my work. I love my friends, and I enjoy even my colleague, my boss. We worked very well at that time, but just boom, something happened at the end of 2019. And from the last day of that year, the things I get to collect,

the information, the facts, the intelligence, totally makes the world change, not only my life, everyone's life changed. And after that, yes, the whole environment kind of changed. I stayed in Hong Kong for another four months. At that time, I had to work on collecting more information secretly and deliver it secretly to the YouTube blogger,

Mr. Luda in the US, let him to broadcast it to the public to in fact to affect CCP's policy. And also I need to still keep working in the university. I feel it was like Batman life at that time. It was quite different, exciting, and I know what I was working on is very dangerous, but it's necessary. And then after that, I escaped from Hong Kong to the United States. And I think the most big difference is because the society is totally changed. And what I've learned or I have been used to from the communist country, even in Hong Kong, is not as so free,

they don't have such freedom like what I can get in the United States. And I can feel even Americans think your freedom is kind of restricted. But for me, this is a freedom I never get. So I take all these opportunities to tell people the truth of COVID origin and publish my reports. And so I see the change. I see people start to think about the lab origin and they realize it's not just

from the bat to human. It is gain of function. It is even weaponized. And China is lying. And that government hates Americans, hates the world. They release the virus to kill people, kill millions of people. So altogether, I feel that I have done a lot of things and I've never been regretful for anything I have done. Because before I do anything, I would carefully think about whether that is what I really want to do. And I have no other choice to do this. So I feel I'm very lucky. And they still cannot find me. They cannot kill me.

And things are still changing. And do you worry that we in this country are sort of squandering our freedoms, that we don't appreciate it the way we should? I know that there are always this kind of fighting, but I still think this is just like the nature of a society. Every society has their own problem. Yes, Americans can feel that during the pandemic, your freedom is very strictly restricted. But now we changed it. It is not as strict as back to 2020. And even the Congress that investigate and they put Fauci will be in the hearing in early January, right? We will know more and more truth. So always we have the opportunity to push it to the right direction and dig out the truth, the bottom of

the truth. So this is a very unique advantage in the United States. People may thought that, oh, U.S. become worse and worse. But what is the best United States? It's not the one stay in your memory or stay in the book. We don't know what is the best America. I would say today we are working together every day. This is the best America because still we can work on something together. We still can talk. We can fight.

So unless one day U.S. really become like China and China and Russia win and you start to put people into prison, disappear them and shut down all this kind of like your media or shut down Twitter, don't allow people to do anything unless they allow you to do it. I mean, unless that did happen, before that, I think there are still a lot of possibilities, a lot of things we can do. Just we need to know, we should not stop fighting or we should not stop speaking out

because once we give up our up this kind of right, when we give it to them, they will never give it back to us. Don't you wish you could just get back to seeing patients and doing the simple practice you were trained to do? Yeah, be a doctor, be a researcher is always my interest. But for me, it doesn't mean only I can have to help people stay in the hospital. As a doctor, it's always kind of limitation how many people you can help. But speak out the truth of a pandemic, prevent future this kind of manmade pandemic and prevent China's evil strategy

against the world, destroy the freedom that is more useful for me at this moment. And this is what I can do. I cannot go back to the hospital now because I even cannot find the working place. If China know where I stay, they will just come to me. So now I still think what I'm doing is so meaningful. And I know one day we will win. So at that time, I can do more things I'm interested. When did freedom become a significant topic for you? And how are you so optimistic that you'll prevail?

People, we are people. Human beings always want freedom. And that come out before you even have the awareness. So from the childhood, like when I grew up in mainland China, we were taught to always sit like this in the classroom. You can never talk to anyone else. You can never do anything else. You only can listen.

And you cannot ask too many questions, especially if it's against your teacher's opinion. So these kind of things will make you feel something wrong and later when i finished my md and phd so i realized that kind of society doesn't fit me i don't want to work in the hospital as a doctor in such system yeah at that time i won't say that is about freedom or something i just feel that is something wrong, make me like stay in the prison for whole life. So I moved to Hong Kong and after that I felt comfortable until the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement happened in 2019. From that summer I started to realize even the limited freedom I can have in Hong Kong can be destroyed totally in a short period. And China is already working on that. And from that day, I started to think more about freedom,

what we really need. So from that time to later, when the pandemic happened, a lot of change, and I have more deep thoughts on these issues. Interesting. Let me switch and finish that topic really quick. Your optimism that you will prevail with, freedom will prevail so to speak, is that just because of that natural instinct that you became aware of as a child?

I think it's also because of the consciousness as a doctor. So I know that when I collect the information from mainland China, from my friends, I know this means a lot because if we don't let the public know it, we don't let the world know it, then this outbreak at that time, it was in Wuhan, but it will quickly spread all over the world. I cannot image what kind of big destroy it will be if it becomes a pandemic. So I feel that I cannot keep silence. And I say my friends, the colleagues, supervisors in the WHO team, they keep silence and they told me to keep silence. And they also work with China to promote

Chinese government's narrative and their theories. So I know that these people, they won't do anything to prevent it. And I am the only one who can do it at that time. So I think about it for two days, and I know if I don't do it, I will be regretful in my life. So I must do it. So

that's why my life changed from that time. And I want to switch to the World Health Organization now. What are your thoughts on this so-called treaty where they want to have fiat authority over all sovereign and electorate governments in the setting of another medical emergency? And as well as their other intention

to make equity between animals and humans in terms of well-being priorities and more on climate change and all this stuff the World Health Organization is getting into. What should we do with that? First, we need to think about why we have a World Health Organization. Initially, it is established to help improve the public health policies and also share this kind of health information for research for clinic work, right? But because there is no power separation to surveillance, it basically become a kind of many Easter or similar Organization that means it is hierarchy and the people on top like the doctor Tedros, right?

they can have a lot of power they also can have the loudest voice and China has seen the opportunity to use this kind of international Organization to achieve their goals. Not only WHO but also UN. You see, they are now after years of infiltration and manipulation, they become the puppet of Chinese Communist Party or Russia. So the purpose initially was to help people, but because this evil regime like Russia and China, they exist. So they could manage to change this organization from inside. And it has been after decades. So it's very efficient now. Now we see from the pandemic, WHO become totally like the spokesman of China government, do whatever China wants them to do and cheat people because they know that in this case, if they can take the advantage of the pandemic, people like the leader, like terrorists terrorists their power will significantly

enhance and also they could do more things to exchange this power become their personal benefits so that's why they are waiting for China to work together and also because the United States

they are inside your public system the public health system like Fauci these people are also compromised because the United States, they are inside your public system, the public health system, like Fauci, these people are also compromised. You don't have enough experts to tell your government, to tell your intelligence agencies, to tell your public what exactly happened in WHO. So that's why, why, after several years, WHO has successfully did so much to cheat people. I think this country, we're not used to thinking about these external forces

like China and Russia, the governments, being so subtle and patient and manipulative in how they change things. I think we have a bias to think of these as strong men organizations, strong man organizations that really muscle their way into positions with threats or with violence or with military style sort of force force. But the idea that it is this underhanded cognitive warfare, it's kind of an idea we have to get used to. And I think people are kind of waking up to that.

They're sort of seeing how this happens in social media and whatnot. And they're waking up to how our government has done that certainly with the twitter files we we see that this stuff is going on in our own country were you ever the object of the any u.s uh action or or silencing so the thing is, this kind of cognitive warfare tactics, a lot of things, yes, China or Russia, they also learn from the United States because CIA or other intelligence department or other department have developed some to use it. But the difference is in the United States, it's not a dictator regime. So even someone try to misuse this kind of tactics,

it would be exposed when at least there is a possibility. It's like use of Twitter files or let's say recently it's revealed that one CIA senior agent suppressed the nature origin theory in the meeting and using money to incite those experts, right?

But this kind of things were never being exposed in China or in Russia. So this is a difference. We know that sometimes we can do the same thing, but the result totally go to the different direction just because this kind of cognitive tactic is kind of, you can say it's a knife, right? It can protect you, it also can hurt you.

But China and Russia, they have developed it to specifically to kill you. So when we talk about this, we always need to separate it to see the different behaviors under the different regime. Let's switch gears one more time and let's get back to the virus for a second. Any new information or new publications or new research that you're putting out that helps us understand anything new about the way it's mutating? There's still craziness in this country with this push to vaccinate young people when the current strains are completely harmless for a healthy young person. What are your thoughts on anything new related to the virus itself? So first, let's talk about the COVID mutation.

We see that the variant always come out, and especially now, again, the WHO started to warn people there is a new variant that could spread very fast and could even escape your existing immunity against COVID. And then, oh yeah, they call you to get vaccines. First, I reject mandated vaccine from day one. And my idea is you have to let people know pro and cons, especially the immature vaccines. But I mean, can we make zero people to get vaccination?

No way because even if it is a rubbish product, as long as it's in the market, always there is customers. So this is personal choice. And let's talk about variants. Because variants, always new variants. So we need to think about where it comes from. Is this real variant come from the nature circulation or not? And based on my sources in China and also my recent research, actually from end of last year, I started to warn people the variant, especially the omicron variant it most probably comes from ccp's lab it's a military civil product which was manufactured to target people to escape to avoid your existing immunity and now again when we talk about new variant, we see China announced

that their scientists successfully predict this COVID new variant. And also, they're already preparing for the new targeting medicine like the monoantibody or vaccines. So I'm still working on that. There are a lot of evidence has point to something.

It is China now has make it more cunning, more sophisticated. They use the way to predict the variant. Every time they predict the new variant, said, oh, we have done the big data, big data, big model, and we, through our specific calculation, can predict this kind of immune-escaping variant. And boom, it always becomes true after a while. So this is very coming, but we have to know that China never gave up to use this kind of novel weapon to hurt people. COVID is a very successful unrestricted weapon.

And there are also more candidates. So in China, during the pandemic, they have reorganized the military and and civil labs. They have made the big lab, the joint large-scale lab, even have more resources to use. For example, one in Beijing, another in Wuhan, and these kind of labs, they will keep working on the gain of function and weaponize pathogens this kind of project also they will control the public health information they will control the data from the beginning to the Pandemic happened so altogether they could use this kind of drug power to efficiently influence the other government's public health policies to influence the

scientists, I mean, like American scientists, their understanding, their cognition. So all together, China has made it into an advanced step. So they are using the national strategy. They treat the bioweapon as important as nuclear weapon. And they will never give up this kind of effort. And I want to remind people, last month, there is one meeting, not last month, two weeks ago, there is one meeting in Beijing. The People's Liberation Army medical scientist has met a lot of military medical scientists from Latino American countries to talk about collaboration, to talk about the bio defense. And this is a very dangerous signal that China could use their network to distribute

other type of the weapon, including COVID-19 to the other battery gyms who want to do something with China against the United States. Interesting. Wow. You've given us a lot to think about going into the new year. Caleb, anything from your standpoint in terms

of the bot action? Have I missed anything in terms of... So this isn Have I missed anything in terms of- So this isn't, it's not something new. It's not something new. I saw this start rising up before the two elections ago. I started to notice a rise in activity that was very unusual on Facebook of accounts

that were just fighting with each other for no reason. There would just be an account that would come up that would be like an anti-whites account than an anti-black people account. And they would fight with each other for no reason. There would just be an account that would come up that would be like an anti-whites account and an anti-black people account, and they would fight with each other. But it wasn't real activity. And it was just people bought networks, growing accounts through infighting

with groups that they weren't actual real humans behind it. They were just trying to grow the accounts and get action and engagement. Then they deploy them in election years. So if you go and you look at all these accounts, like for example, those hundreds of accounts I saw of dr liamang yan those accounts are going to change their names right before the election like half to three quarters of them are going to be completely different soon so you always have to look go you mean they're going

to be some sort of something to manipulate the election somewhere yeah they're just aging these accounts like so i i find this all very disturbing and very discouraging. I'm glad that Dr. Yan is optimistic because it lifts me a bit. But the fact that China is trying to surround us in North America with bioweapons, that they have infiltrated literally our brains, our minds with their cognitive warfare that we have adulterated our media, our social media, our government. It feels too much. It feels overwhelming. But Kayla, finish your thought. This is what I always think of. And I always try to think this way. Whenever I see a post online that is about to make me angry, I try to ask myself, does this make democracy look bad? If you can get to the core goal of a post online and the whole idea, you say, this is making freedom look bad and it's making an

organized system of a social credit score or communism look really good, then it's almost certainly being run by a foreign state sponsored group because that is their soul that is their their primary goal is to make democracy look like a failed system that people cannot govern themselves and to make the only way possible for a futuristic humanity for humanity to survive is to have a well upper level of people controlling it so that everyone else can live in peace and harmony under this communist-style government. There are a lot of, like 70% of academia in this country

agrees with that, number one. Number two, I saw Mark Cianchese talk about this very issue, and he was saying, you know, when you look at people on the left and the right, the people on the left tend to think that people are universally bad. And the only way to make them be good is to centralize the authority which they imbue with eternal goodness. The central authority is only good. And the people on the right feel like people are good. And when you centralize authority, only bad people get in there

and screw things up uh and those are the sort of two versions of reality and government that we're fighting out these days it seems like and dr yan you're you're smiling at that oh yeah i agree with you and also i totally agree with what calab said now. Yes, there are a lot of these kind of activities online to make you just fight against the people around you, like democracy and the Republicans just fight against each other. And they totally ignore what happened out of the United States. Their folks will stay inside the United States. And I have seen people

even talk about, so what Putin is bad, but Biden is worse, and Xi Jinping is bad, but Biden is worse, and democracy is worse. I mean, I don't want to comment any specific democracy or Republican people in the United States, but when you have this idea

that Putin and Xi Jinping is even better than someone around you that is really ridiculous those are the people think about how to kill you and ruin your future right another another example i want to bring up recently drew and you probably saw these stories about the a lot of the younger people on tikt TikTok that were suddenly posting positive stories about Bin Laden. That was a Chinese influence campaign. It's an influence campaign, but they come at it from multiple angles.

One is they're trying to influence the youth of America into believing these anti-American values are the good way, but they're also trying to make American youngsters look stupid. By now, they can then broadcast in China and say, look, these stupid Americans are now on the side of bin Laden who did all of these bad things to them.

They're so dumb. They should, they need to be reeducated in our system. Our system works where in America, you know, we have freedom of the press. We have all, anything bad is going to get broadcast over here,

but overseas in China, they aren't allowed to broadcast those things. And so they have a very, very tailored message to their own people and to the rest of the world. Whereas over here, they can make it appear like everything is so bad because our news is allowed to focus on that. And yet we have the problem that Alexis de Tocqueville pointed out 150 years ago. We have a 200 years ago. I mean, 200 years ago,

the problem of our town square, which is we get into these hysterias and we silence people if their ideas are outlined from the current trends. And that's what we've been dealing with lately. And that's the problem. Susan, want to say something? No, I don't.

What were you waving? I wasn't waving. Oh. So Dr. Yan, thank you so much for visiting us again. I think we've learned even more, which is always the goal here is to help sort of not just learn about this specific pandemic, but your insights and your experience

and what it has taught you and what we have to look forward to. Do me a favor. And I'm sorry, I've just got, do we have any water here? If maybe it's, it's China there,

they've had it with me. I've got to, I've been, they're trying to shut me out, but I wonder if you would just leave us with some thoughts for the new year. Oh yeah. I want to say happy new year. Don't be so nervous. Be relaxed and enjoy your life. with some thoughts for the new year. Oh yeah, I want to say happy new year.

Don't be so nervous. Be relaxed and enjoy your life. Yeah, we know there are a lot of problems around us every day, but you should know that if you live back 200 years ago, 200 years ago, I don't think we will have more satisfaction about our life at that time. So

for me, I think every day is the best day as long as we don't stop working and we don't give up our value and we insist on something really important in our life and fight for that. That's enough. Fair enough.

Let's leave it at that. You can follow Dr. Yan at xdr fair enough let's leave it at that uh you can follow dr yan at uh x dr l-i-m-e-n-g-y-a-n-1 right li-me-n-1 don't get uh don't get tied into any of the say it again what blue label blue check blue blue check and uh don't fall into any of the traps, everybody. I hope you've raised your consciousness through this conversation. I think it has helped me and myself. And we'll be back again tomorrow at noon with another conversation about adulterated science.

I thought I was at one. At one o'clock, I beg your pardon. One o'clock tomorrow. And that will be our last show of the year. So thank you for joining us today. And coming up, it's Emily Ka for joining us today. And coming up, it's Emily Kaplan joining us tomorrow. Sean Baker, Brian Kilmeade, Jim Brewer

the week after New Year's and Roseanne and Paul Alexander the subsequent weeks. We had a bunch of stuff coming. Many more interesting guests we've been sort of chewing on and getting ready to line up for you guys. So stay with us.

We appreciate it. I've been watching your comments on the restream and over on the Rumble Rants. Everybody has been very supportive of Dr. Yan. Mostly they're saying on the Rumble Rants that I'm not awake yet,

but Dr. Yan is, Susan, so be careful. I could still be used by the Chinese Communist Party. We had a lot of retweets by people writing in Chinese. Most of them were anti-CCP but one of them I couldn't read so I sent it to Yao Jing to see if she could translate to Yao Jing Summers see what she says god dang it I forget her name right. Well, just call her. I call her Stacy. Stacy.

So that will do. So Stacy Summers. Jim Brewer will be epic. Thank you guys for that. All right, everyone. Thank you all for being here. We'll see you tomorrow at 1 p.m. Pacific time. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment.

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