Ask Dr. Drew - EcoHealth Alliance Insider Tells All: Dr. Andrew Huff & Rep. Rich McCormick Expose “Biggest Lie In History” & WHY The USA Supported Labs In China – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 376

Episode Date: July 6, 2024

Bioweapons expert Dr. Andrew Huff is a former EcoHealth Alliance Vice President and senior scientist who left the controversial organization after allegedly witnessing widespread corruption surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic’s origin – which he calls one of the biggest cover-ups in history. Dr. Huff worked on classified research for the US government and says Dr. Peter Daszak’s organization was “supported by the US government to collect intelligence on laboratories in China.” Follow Dr. Andrew Huff at https://x.com/AGHuff and read “The Truth about Wuhan: How I Uncovered the Biggest Lie in History” at https://amzn.to/4bqj7uN Rep. Rich McCormick, MD MBA, is a Congressman from Georgia District 6 who testified before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic. Follow Rep. McCormick at https://x.com/RepMcCormick 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • LUMEN – Take the next step in improving your health. Go to http://lumen.me/drdrew to get 15% off your Lumen. • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://capsadyn.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm anticipating a very interesting program today. Andrew Huff comes in today, Dr. Andrew Huff. He is a bioweapons expert, former Equal Health Alliance vice president and senior scientist, author of The Truth About Wuhan, How I Uncovered the Biggest Lie in History. We want to hear more about this as well. We'll be with him for a while. And then towards the end of the program, in about an hour or so, 45 minutes or so, Representative Rich McCormick, a physician, congressman from Georgia's District 6, whom I hope you all saw testifying or at least grilling Dr. Fauci in the coronavirus pandemic select subcommittee. And I just, he's my new, he's one of my new heroes.

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Yeah, Susan loved it. I haven't given an official go-ahead on that yet, but I'm assuming that's what that means. All right, let's get to my guest. Before I do, though, let's take a look at what's coming up next week and tomorrow. Tomorrow, Viva Fry and Adam Carolla coming in. Adam's going to review his encounter with Governor Newsom, Viva Fry, to talk to us about the debates, amongst other things. Next Tuesday, five times August, the band, Brad, I can't get his name right, Skistimus,

and also Dave Rubin in studio on July 10th on Wednesday. And you can keep running down the list of great guests coming our way. Dave Smith coming in on July 23rd. More coming, more to be revealed. Stay with it. Thursday, we have Calling Out with Susan Pinsky. Is that on Wednesday this week? I More coming, more to be revealed. Thursday, we have Calling Out with Susan Pinsky. Is that on Wednesday this week? I think it's going to be Thursday.

I thought we had Dave Smith on the 9th, but I was wrong. Wait, wait, you're going to have to tell everybody what you're doing here. Calling Out with Susan Pinsky is going to be on Thursday the 11th. Yes, that's what I think. After Michael Berklo, is that his name? Yes, he'll be at noon on July 11th, and he is an educator, a British educator, who actually already had some controversial ideas about education that now resonate sort of almost clairvoyantly,

and then he has grave concerns about what happened with the lockdowns. So let me get to our guest. As I said, he is a former vice president and senior scientist with EcoHealth Alliance. You have grave concerns about what's been going on there. I've been watching many videos about Andrew Huff and his book and what EcoHealth Alliance has said in response. So we'll get into all of this. Again, the book is about the origins, amongst other things, of the COVID-19 pandemic. He calls it one of the biggest cover-ups in history.

Again, he worked on classified research himself for the U.S. government and says Dr. Peter Daszak's organization was supported by the U.S. government to collect intelligence on laboratories in China. Please welcome Dr. Andrew Huff. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you being here. So I've got a bunch of questions I want to sort of mull through if you don't mind. You must be asked these things all the time and I apologize if it's been done too many times elsewhere, but just how my brain works unfortunately. So tell me about your training. I saw you're at epidemiological training. Is that what your PhD is in? It's actually environmental health, the emerging infectious disease specialty track. And within the field of public health, the epidemiology department, environmental health

department are very closely tied. Typically, if you end up in environmental health, we take courses through veterinary medicine and human medicine and not just strictly epidemiology. It's very emerging infectious disease focused. So given that as your training, I have a completely record scratch to completely, I wasn't expecting to ask this question, but I'm wondering if you feel as I do that all the, well, I'm showing you my cards by poaching the question that way, but that the bird flu stuff is just, again,

trying to create panic. And if indeed there is human-to-human transmission, somebody screwed with that virus. Do you agree with me on that? Well, let's tackle the first part of your statement and question there. So I do think it is fear porn, so to say. It's very normal for, you know, so first of all, stepping back, influenza is a zoonotic virus. It spreads to, from birds to dogs to cats to humans sometimes. And the fact that avian flu got into the U.S. cattle population isn't surprising. If you look at how birds migrate and how they travel from the south to the north, typically

this time of year, they commingulate in ponds, the virus gets into the water, they share the same food, they're reproducing. So the disease will spread among the different wildlife. So pigeons, ducks, and, you know, if you look at how diseases that then like something like the flu spreads in um a cattle cattle barn or a feedlot you know the pigeons go roost on top of the cattle and they eat the leftover corn or everything that the cattle don't eat and then they defecate and urinate where the cattle are eating and and that's what um you know that's how the cattle get exposed to it and then once the cows have it, though, to jump from bovines into humans, it's very difficult.

I mean, it's a very small probability. And if you look at the illness in the cattle, it's not severe. It's mild. And if they're out conducting bio surveillance on those farms and are identifying infected herds, it's pretty easy to implement strict biosecurity measures to prevent humans to being exposed to sick cattle. In many states, including Michigan, they are calling and they're paying farmers to call their cattle. So I think it's going to be- I would argue, I'm going to interrupt you. I would argue that were it not for what we've just been through and the press particularly being addicted to panic porn and government bureaucrats having now been also addicted to the power they can, as you say, cull from the panic porn.

In days gone by, we would not even know that there was a virus circulating in cows. Would you agree? The average person wouldn't hear about that complete completely agree and i don't know if you're familiar with this dr drew it but there's a platform one of the platforms is called pro med and it's infectious disease epidemiologists and toxicologists that that look for things that are spreading either naturally or maybe caused by humans and it's a very small niche of scientists and field epidemiologists that study this, that watch it closely. You know, on a typical day, there's 10 different alerts, maybe 20 alerts globally. And people like me pay really close

attention to it because we're looking for new novel viruses that are spreading rapidly. And everything else seems pretty benign. I mean, infectious diseases are out there. People get sick. Animals get sick. Of course. Of course. They're part of the ecosystem, so there's no reason to freak out about them.

No. And we've become some sort of weird panic-stricken natives who believe that, I don't know, thunder is going to go destroy. It's just so opposite of how to live as a human being. And by the way, also opposite of how the medical profession should function through public awareness campaigns. Well, educating the public through public awareness campaigns, the research indicates that it's moderately to mildly effective. But the psychology behind that is when people become heightened or alerted to it, and I think this is what you're getting at earlier, their radar is up for it and they're looking for it.

And then it becomes this panic fear cycle. Yeah. But how about, but it'd be just as legitimate for public health to go, hey, this thing is circulating. We want you to be aware. Here's what you can do to keep yourself safe. And should you get sick, here's what we recommend. And you're going to be fine. I mean, look, as a physician, if I walked into a room and I had a very sick patient and I stood at the end of the bed,

I'd be like, oh, my God, oh, my God bed. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. What are we going to do for this guy? You think you have family and everybody? Is that what the nurses? You think everybody's going to feel good about me doing that? It's the opposite of how we should conduct ourselves. Oh, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. And if you look at the different ways that things get messaged and communicated. It's not just the message itself, but how it's being communicated. And everything, you know, since COVID has subsided, you know, in terms of its pandemic status, it's now endemic. Any new little disease that pops up is going to kill you.

And if you look at people who work in the field, if you're a field epidemiologist, especially veterinarians, they get exposed to disease it's a rite of passage if you're a veterinarian or actually contracted either i i was i was i'm still getting exposed to tuberculosis because it's alive and well here in los angeles thanks to the way homeless people are not attended to in this state this in this county particularly. And HIV, I worked deep in that pandemic, and I was exposed to that virus constantly. But we knew that we could mitigate the transmission. We knew how to do it.

But listen, if you don't mind, is it okay if I go through the way, because I think anybody reading your book would want this, the way EcoHealth Alliance addressed what you documented in your book, can I just go through their sort of pushbacks and then you respond to them? Oh, absolutely. I've done this a million times. It's fine. I figured. I figured. I figured.

So let's see. Mr. Ruff alleges EcoHealth Alliance was engaged in gain-of-function research. Now, I know people are playing games with what we even mean by gain-of-function. So go ahead and respond to that. They're saying it didn't happen. Sure. So I attended Dr. Peter Daszak's hearing now at the COVID Select Committee. I also attended Anthony Fauci's hearing.

And I don't believe I went to Dr. Morin's hearing. But at the end of the hearing, Dr. Anthony Fauci essentially admits that it was gain of function work. You can tell you early on, they tried to play with the definition of gain of function. But very simply, gain of function means anytime you're enhancing the violence, the pathogenicity, the environmental persistence, you're changing the virus in some way to make it more harmful, more lethal, or more likely to infect humans or animals. I mean, it's a very, it's a broad definition, but you know it when you see it. And Ecolith Alliance was very clearly engaged in gain-of-function research. And when I worked at Eco-Wealth Alliance, we discussed the gain-of-function research, and we discussed other types of gain-of-function research that we are interested in conducting. Now, the funny thing is, I've been against gain-of-function

ever since I learned what it was when I was a PhD student, because I'm more national security, biosecurity, bioterror focused. And people from my camp are very concerned that an accident could happen because there's one simple fact that you can't ignore with highly pathogenic viruses that you can't see in our airborne. By the time someone gets infected, it's too late because that person, there's something called a latency period, which you're aware of. They going to go into the community they're going to go home get on a subway and in the next two days they're going to expose potentially hundreds of people and if you're in an urban population center like wuhan new york city tokyo you can't control it it's just impossible and i actually developed a high performance model and you can look at how these diseases spread around the planet based on the reproductive rate over time or transmission.

And it's incredibly fast. You can get from the index case to Brazil in six days. You can get the index from China to Brazil. You can get the index case from China to San Francisco in just two days. So once the cat's out of the bag, it's over. And this is why we need to have better biosecurity and biosafety protocols and regulations. Dr. Huff, let me stop you. When you say cat's out of the bag, you're not talking about, because people make these cases that, oh, if we'd only shut down earlier.

Oh, the cat's out of the bag because we didn't shut down early enough. I think you're talking about the cat's out of the bag when the virus leaves the lab. Correct. The first, the index patient. And actually, if you look at the labs how they operate, you know, everyone just thinks that they're just, you know, one person sitting in a lab. You've got probably 20 people, maybe 10 people working in the same laboratory. And they're not just working on one variant.

They're probably manipulating 10, 20, 50 variants at one time. So it's possible to be both all these different variants. And you have five people who leave the laboratory. And then they go home to their community. And then they don't become infectious for two or three days. So it's really difficult then for the, for doctors and clinicians and physicians like yourself to identify what's going on. And this is, you know, a big problem in terms of biosecurity, natural security, because when, when we start seeing the

hospitals being overloaded, when we start seeing, um, uh, local clinical care practices being overloaded, the nurses and the doctors don't know what they're dealing with. They're going to start sending things in for laboratory tests. And then when it goes off to the pathologist and they're trying to look at this and they're trying to figure it out, they're not going to be able to identify it. So now they're going to spend all this time trying to isolate it. That doesn't happen quick. Even in the best healthcare provider in the world like Mayo, it takes two, three, four, five days, maybe even a week.

Yep, yep, that's right. Actually, their pushback sort of actually bores me. I'm not going to go further with it. They're just so sort of like, uh-huh, no, he didn't. It's like there aren't any really good sort of questions here, except the one thing that did jump out at me in their pushback, they quote Francis Collins, the then director of the u.s institute of health nih who um who says nih wants to set the record straight on nih supportive

research uh to understand naturally occurring bat coronavirus at the wuhan blah blah blah he went on to say the the natural zoonotic source was the most likely source. That was in October of 2021. He now is completely switched. Has he not? He is now completely switched. And everybody remember, he's the same guy that made up six-foot distancing and tried to foist it on the world. So what do you say about Dr. Collins now? And is he more apt to support some of the whistleblowing that you've done?

I don't know who's apt to support the whistleblowing that I've done. I've been told that I'm feared by everyone in Congress. I've actually, some of my whistleblower complaints, I heard the U.S. Senate had to call emergency meetings when I first submitted them to the Senate to figure out how they were going to deal with that. In terms of NIH and different parts of the administration, you know, as every day goes by, the things that I've said continue to be validated.

I think there's some people that need to be held accountable. I think Dr. Collins is one all the way down to the people, the program managers and program officers that approved this research and did not regulate it properly. I mean, one of the big things on that last Twitter space that we're on is that export control policy was completely violated. And now at least I have to say, you know, the one thing that I really appreciate about the Congress COVID Select Committee and the Homeland Security Committee in the Senate is that they listen to me now and they're using my line of questioning in those hearings. I mean, almost verbatim. I change messages back and forth and I say, ask X, Y or Z. And it's having an impact. They're asking the right questions. And when it comes to this export control, there are 20 different agencies that regulate the export of technologies outside the United States. So how the heck did Equal Health Alliance get away with exporting the most advanced bioweapons technology

in the world to our enemy? And it baffles me. Well, and you said the Senate had a sudden emergency meeting. By the way, I neglected to tell everyone who I'm sure are now interested in following you to where to follow you. Go to aghuff, H-U-F-F. Also follow Dr. Huff's sub stack, aghuff.substack.com. Why would they in the world, speculate for a second, why would they need an emergency?

What did you say that prompted an emergency meeting? What do you think? Well, so first of all, the whistleblower report contained information linking EcoHealth Alliance to the intelligence community, namely the CIA or potentially the Defense Intelligence Agency, the DIA. And basically, I said that as a witness to the gain of function research, that there was massive financial fraud occurring. I discovered it by accident when I worked there. I think I sort of saw the tip of the iceberg. Some excellent work done by a Senate investigator by the name of Diane Cutler. I think she found something like something ridiculous, like three or four hundred400 million of funding that went to eco-alliances that's not really well accounted for. And then if you look at the Department of Defense report that came out last, I think it was last week, the audit of funds that were going to overseas labs,

they really don't have a good handle on where the money is going. And I don't really find that surprising for the Department of Defense. I served in the military when I was younger. As an infantryman at the bottom of the totem pole, being a listed guy, we could probably burn through, you know, half a million dollars or a million dollars with the ammunition a day. And if you look at the side of the budget and how they manage that, I mean, there's a lot of waste and things are not that closely watched. And I don't think that waste is intentional. It's just the nature of the beast now the system work speculate with me though what what what is happening here what what do you put can you pull these things together these various threads together in some sort of cohesive way to understand i mean you said you're baffled by why we would share our most uh important um

technologies in terms of biological weapon technology with the chinese but i i i'm sitting here trying to figure things out too uh and it it and as you said it smells like the defense department in there it smells like intelligence but but what and why i mean it's almost like you can't tell who the good guys are and who the bad guys are? Well, it clicked for me in, I want to say 2020 or 2021. And so in late 2015, Dr. Peter Daszak approached me after work as we were leaving. It was around the holiday season. And he came up to me in the vestibule and he said, hey, Andrew, do you mind if I ask you a question? And I said, sure, Peter, go ahead. It's my boss. We're on good terms.

And he goes, well, someone from the CIA approached me. They're interested in the places we're working, the people we're working with, and the data we're collecting. And he specifically referenced China. I was shocked that he was asking me this question because I came out of the top secret world at acute clearance, which is the highest clearance you can get in the government. And, you know, typically you don't have these conversations outside of SCIF. I presume that Dr. Peter Daszak at the time, I didn't know whether or not he was an American, but he had a British accent. How did Dr. Daszak know if somebody was actually from the CIA or not. I mean, in that world, in the spy world, you might get approached by somebody and they might claim to be the CIA and get you to believe them, but it could actually be a foreign agent. So thinking quickly, I said, you know, Peter,

it never hurts to talk to them. There could be money in it. And he said, very well. And we went down the elevator. We made small talk. i walked him back to his car his vehicle about a block away from uh the office and i walked 10 blocks north to my apartment or condo and when when i got home i i told my my wife about that and she was you know she thought it was interesting i was excited actually because i thought it was a good good way to potentially uh get money and that's that's back in 2015 you, more funding for research and the things that we were working on. And a lot of the products that I developed were heavily quantitative, artificial intelligence, epidemiologic surveillance tool. So this was right in my alley. I was excited

about it. I proceeded to ask Dr. Dasik two or three times between meetings over the next course of two to three months. And he indicated that the funding, the relationship with them was progressing, and then he became tight-lipped and didn't say anything about it. And it begs the question whether or not Equal Health Alliance was actually, or whether or not Peter Daszak had a longer-term relationship with the intelligence community. Because one interesting thing that i learned

during dr dasik's testimony at the very end on the part that people don't typically see when they watch the hearings is that the attorneys for both parties the republicans and the democrats asked the really tough questions and they put peter on the hot seat about whether or not he had worked with the intelligence community at first he no, and then they pressed him on it, and I think they had more information, and I'm sitting there, and I put that on my whistleblower report, and eventually at the end of his hearing, he admits to working with the intelligence community.

It's one of the very last questions of the hearing. Now, back to, you know, this is the background to your question. Well, what do you, so you're in the United States and you want to conduct partner or partnered research with a foreign laboratory in China. So the total value of the contract

Why China? Why not the Ukraine or something? Well, I used to work on those programs on the classified side and the non-classified side and I can explain to you the difference. So it's a fun question. Do you think China needs $500,000 of U.S. research funding to conduct gain-of-function research? No.

Okay. That's a pretty obvious question. You got that quick. So why would they allow Westerners into their bioweapons laboratory? Do you have any ideas? I have a lot of westerners into their bioweapons laboratory do you have any ideas i have a lot of ideas um you know to sort of uh mislead them really ultimately and to and to see if they can learn something about what we're doing well you know my take and my experience on the the chinese is that they're very transaction they always have to be getting something to be giving something.

And the thing that they were getting was the advanced biotechnology. If you look back in history and compare where U.S. biotechnology programs were compared to China, China was probably 10 years behind the United States in terms of this gain-of-function technology. Dr. Ralph Baric and some of the other scientists at several other laboratories here in the United States really possessed some really advanced technology that the Chinese wanted to get their hands on. So what China was getting was the technology. We were also training some of their students working in and around that laboratory and other Chinese agencies.

And, you know, I think the United States got played on this because what we were getting based on Dr. Dathik's conversation with me is that we're supposed to be collecting intelligence on that laboratory. But if you look at all the visits of people who went there from scientists associated with the FDA or the National Laboratory System, they all reported that there were problems at that laboratory. There is a series of U.S. cables, I think in 2017 and 2018, that indicate that there were severe biosafety problems or risks associated with that laboratory. Yet the relationship progressed.

And, you know, I spoke to a virologist we talked to once in a while, she said the the people's liberation army was way underway with this they were very focused on coronavirus she worked on the backbone she had lots of uh strategies underway that were you know being used to get information and to manipulate this virus and um yeah so guess what they They did it. It just was not under the right circumstances. And who knows what else they've got under there. Well, and that's the question.

And to the earlier part of our conversation where you brought up Ukraine. So all this stems back to the Nunn-Mugar Act. And after the Soviet Union fell apart, the United States had a real problem on its hands because you had all these different former Soviet republics with different bioweapons laboratories, chemical laboratories, nuclear munitions. And they didn't want these things to fall in the wrong hand. They didn't want scientists or dictators to go rogue. So the idea was that we would fund these laboratories to help them improve their biosecurity and biosafety internationally.

And it's a big program. I used to be a part of it in the civilian classified side. And it's a great program because it's diplomatic, because it helps us build relationships with people that might become hostile to us. So instead of conducting a lot of espionage, we try to help them improve the problems that they have. And by doing that, we form the relationship, because you have to remember, these are sovereign countries, we can't tell them what to do. And we're certainly not going to go in there and take it by force. So this diplomatic scientific approach has really had significant impact and been effective in non-proliferation of chemical, biological,

and nuclear weapons. Now, the problem is that with the laboratory in China is that we are actually transferring this advanced biotechnology to the Chinese. And as far as I'm aware, Equal Health Alliance is the only organization in the United States engaged in this type of activity where it was the transfer of this technology outside of the United States to a known enemy or perceived enemy of the United States. You know, you're telling us this story, you know, dispassionately, it makes sense, all the sort of elements hang together as a cohesive whole um when we get back i'll take a quick break here when we get back i want to talk about really sort of uh how you're being received as you tell this story you said there's improvement in terms of uh on capitol

hill and that they're using your information i'm just curious how you're being received as you tell these stories. You know, whether or not your conclusions are right or wrong, it's really kind of begs no issue. It's just information that I would think our government would want to use to help our people. And I, you know, it sounds pretty convincing to me. And I also want to talk about what else is in your book. It's Dr. Andrew Huff. You can follow him on X at H, let me make sure I get it right, A-G Huff, H-U-F-F.

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No, I'm talking about women. Okay. It's interesting. It's not all about you, Drew. You're over here, the menopause female. And then you wanted to mention what you did with the capsid and susan with your knee and my shoulder oh yeah i i was having some what did you call that

that thing i had last week you had a seroma you had a seroma after a little procedure my knee was really puffy and stuff i had major knee surgery when i was 20 and I literally was like, I'm going to try this capsid and I rubbed it right on the sore spot on my knee and the pain went away. I was so excited. I just had to report it. All right. And I had some benefit from my shoulder. My knees are better this week, by the way. In a few minutes, Representative Rich McCormick, Dr. McCormick

will be in here, Congressman from Georgia District 6, but right now we are with Andrew Huff, bioweapons expert, former Equal Health Alliance Vice President, senior scientist, the author of The Truth About Wuhan. And so, Andrew, before we left the last segment, I was asking how you're being received. To me, you seem like an asset. And whether they want to examine your conclusions or agree with your conclusions sort of begs the – it's not the issue. You're providing useful information. Are they not using it or have they not been using it well they weren't using it i mean at first they were calling me crazy

lunatic you know all these things and then over time you know step by step every day that goes by more of the things that i have said have been validated and since you know this has been a three or four year battle um everything i've said has been proven to be correct and now i think eventually these people respect me i mean i think one of the the problems that you know that i caused myself was that i was on social media. I was being very bombastic, using very strong rhetoric. And that was intentional. And that wasn't the real me, but I was using social media as a tool to basically expand the story to get people excited, to get them riled up.

And, you know, I made the decision about two months ago that it was time to pivot and, you know, actually wear the real Dr. Andrew Huff hat because most people now believe that COVID came out of a lab. I think it's conclusive. I mean, this is not really debatable. There's genetic sequence matches to HIV inserts, which, you know, people were calling that crazy, but it's a fact. And when you have other parts of the virus that have been patented, that's a fact. I mean, you can't deny these things. So I think eventually, you know, I don't know. One of the reasons I like this conversation today is I really, since the beginning of this thing, when anyone came after me, I would immediately DM them, reach out to them, and had many conversations with peers

because I'm like, look, we can just, if we disagree, that's fine. But for peers to mistreat each other is like, that's never happened before. This is weird. And so some of our conversation today for me is that, I say this with a tongue in my cheek, I missed your tweet of calling me an asshat, but I've been made aware of it since you were coming on. So here we are. We're behaving like adults. We're behaving like adults, which is fine. I harbor no.

Who put that picture in? Jeez. I harbor no. What? Caleb, did you do all that? Yes, I had to. I had to. That's weird.

But anyway, I harbor no residual negative feelings about it. And then you've explained what you were up to at that point. But I do still, I have not gotten over the way our government officials treated us. And I'm wondering if you have any continued feelings about that. And what's the solution? And what's the remedy? Is it just we have to wait until the truth comes fully out? And by then everyone's going to go, okay.

And no sort of, you know, I just want something to be put in place at least so this doesn't happen again. Well, first of all, you're not an asshat. And, yes, that was my bombastic kind of attitude. And, actually, I was a huge fan of yours as a child. When I was, you know, from 12 to 14, I used to listen to Love Wine. Careful, careful. When you say you were a child, when you say you a child, when you were listening, you're back into the insult zone again. Be careful.

Oh, no. Come on. We're all getting older. And because of COVID, my hair is either falling out or getting gray from this fight, so it happens. Oh, yes. What's the solution here? The sad part is when you look at this, is that China has already taken the correct

measures and steps to improve their biosecurity and biosafety. And they did that about three months ago or four months ago. And they've really clamped down on the biosecurity issues. Now, in the United States, because different factions, you know, Republicans, Democrats, and other pharmaceutical industry, you could probably name a dozen different groups decided to publicize this because of the huge financial liability and the huge fallout from this. The truth has been out there for three years. So, I mean, how long will it take to get to the mainstream so that everyone understands what really happened? I don't know. I mean, I think we're getting closer every day. I am meeting with the Department of

Defense Office, Officer Inspector General of Criminal Investigators here in a couple of weeks to go over all the different things that I've said and types of things that we're talking about in conversation with them in hopes that they can prosecute people like Dr. Peter Daszak. You know, and the one thing that I proposed to the OIG was that, so when you do business with the Department of Defense under World Times Powers Act, which we're still under, anyone, any contractor, any government employee or military member can be prosecuted under the United States Court of Military Justice, also known as UCMJ. There's less rights, there's more processes. They call it a tribunal sometimes, three or five judge panels. And these people can be prosecuted

within the Department of Defense instead of being prosecuted through the Department of Justice. The OIG actually has the choice to refer it to the Department of Justice or they can handle it internally. And I've been recommending very heavily that the Department of Defense handle this because they have access to all the information. They are part of it. Obviously, you know, not everybody is a bad apple. Not everyone in the government was out to harm people. But the first thing is you need to hold the bad actors accountable. And then simultaneously, you can be crafting policy to improve biosafety, biosecurity, and gain-of-function policy. In the state of Michigan where I live, I actually drafted the Ban on Gain-of-Function Bill.

And it's very simple. It's just any time that you enhance the pathogen, actually the virulence, the infectivity, or the environmental persistence of the agent, of any agent, synthetic or natural, because that's the big risk now, is actually the synthetic technology. You can actually cook up these viruses and pathogens, bacteria, with completely synthetic technology. You don't have to go harvest this to have it from a bad agent. So that's what we should be watching out for, but along that side or along that line, we need to have

the proper regulation in place. I'm a firm opponent to this type of gain-of-function research happening at university laboratories. I know it's a big moneymaker, but it should only be in U.S. government laboratories, either through the Department of Energy.

Maybe NIH should have their gain of function laboratories moved over to one of the other agencies because they have a track record of not being able to manage this properly. But the Department of Defense and actually DHS, the NBF Center in Kansas, have a pretty good track record. I'm just thinking about the ASAT thing again. By the way, people really declare themselves when you reach your – because people really declare themselves when they get weird online and you reach your handout and they slap it away. You obviously didn't do that. You came in for a conversation.

It's no big deal. But that, to me, people that people that professional our colleagues that then stay in that weird altered state that that's inexcusable to me at that point but but i but back to peter daszak and uh and uh his coming to coming to jesus there were there's his type right there's what he was doing but there's also people in government positions of power who, when presented with an unclear situation and had the opportunity to protect our civil liberties and navigate the complexities of the pandemic, they did the opposite. They went into full totalitarian mode. And that's what people are having trouble getting over. Those individuals who declared themselves, that's why I brought up the asshat thing again,

they declared themselves by showing who they are as power-hungry dictators when the opportunity presents itself. I, by the way, spoke during the whole mess, during the panic, to governors who were like, this is not my job. I don't want to do this. I don't want to mandate people to wear masks. They should wear masks if they think it's the right thing to do for them. But for me as a governor to go in and do that, that doesn't make any sense at all. And it runs contrary to the oath I've taken. And yet others jumped at the opportunity. That needs to be stopped too. Do you not agree?

Well, I completely agree. And if you look at the, so there's something called the National Pandemic Preparedness Plan, and there's multiple versions of it. They threw out the window. They completely threw it away. They just went and they did away with it. I assisted with different modeling aspects of those plans.

So the six-foot social distancing was something that we tested, and it didn't have much effect. Lockdowns with some diseases like pandemic influenza strains within child care settings might have a slight to moderate effect. The two weeks to stop the spread, well, they sort of took that from the pandemic preparedness plans because that was in there not really so much to stop the spread it's to slow down the spread but actually to give the government some time to respond and get their first responders and get ppe and get the the proper equipment of course onto the front lines but they were clear about that that's what the that's i remember mike pence saying that he was up there saying that's a and then Birx went around the country and brainwashed every governor she could.

And listen, man, whenever you have physicians evangelizing, you get bad outcomes. I'm just telling you, everybody, learn that from this pandemic. When a physician says, you've got to do it, only I have the special insight, you have to do these extreme things the way I'm telling you to, run. Run the other way. Put that person in prison or something they're dangerous and here's the other thing though that you have to realize and which is critical to this so they didn't jump if you look at the history of how this disease started spreading so there's the disease likely started spreading the

last week of august or the first week of september that's based on satellite imagery intelligence uh the fact that the Chinese started panic buying laboratory containment equipment. So we have a good handle on when that disease likely started spreading. And the US government probably found out at the World Military Games at Wuhan when all these different athletes, I think 125 from the United States, or maybe that was the national number, all contracted this disease. And when you're in the military, there's highly sophisticated biothermalline technologies and

laboratory techniques for sampling and sequencing weird things so that they can determine when they've been attacked. So, you know, there is an apology to the decision that happens sometimes, is that one of your options as a leader is to say, we're not going to do anything and we're going to see if this disease burns out because actually most infectious disease outbreaks don't go on to become epidemics or pandemics. Right. So you can,

you can buy some time and you can sit on it. And they did that. And that, that's a policy decision. I don't necessarily have a problem with it uh what i do have a problem is that that they then soak the fear and panic which i even sort of i fell for oh yeah and plus and 10 years earlier we just had another outbreak h5n1 and i kept saying this it killed 300 000 people and you didn't know it happened and probably shouldn't have known it happened because they did a good job of advising.

The CDC has an advisory role in pandemics. They aren't, thus sayeth the Lord, source of all insight and all behavior and all information and all clinical decision-making. It's just never meant to be that way, never had been that way, and all of a sudden it was just a crazy thing. And it's certainly, that's not in the pandemic preparedness plan, but there we go. So listen, I have to, uh, I'll let you have give last thoughts, but I got to wrap this up and you have become one of my heroes now, um, Andrew. So that's good news, but I've got another hero

coming in here just a second. So go finish up so first of all why i called you an asshat i remember now you canceled the interview on me and you didn't you didn't read your team didn't respond to me after you canceled the interview on me last night well then no listen so listen and so you deserve an apology i did not know about that and we apologize and i don't know what i'll look into it and what motivated it. And we'll gladly, anytime, have you back. You let me know, okay? I believe we had a different person doing the booking back then, I believe so, just to let Emily off the hook. I don't think it was Emily doing the booking at the time.

Okay. All right. Fair enough. Well, I'm sure there's a good reason because it's not like anybody in this organization would do something like that. But I don't know. Probably you. Was it me? Maybe. Uh-oh. But be that as it may, you, you have been,

you have been a treasure today and I will gladly have you back anytime. I love that word ass hat. I use it all the time. But, but I want to give you a last word. So go ahead, Andrew, give me some last thoughts. Well, this is a problem that our country can easily solve. We have better days ahead. We just have to unite and realize that infectious diseases are not political. They affect everybody, Democrats, Republicans alike.

It doesn't matter what your race or creed is. The only way that we're going to solve this problem is by uniting and making effective policy and funding that policy so that this never happens again. Andrew Huff, everybody, follow him on Twitter, on X, A-G Huff, H-U-F-F, Substack, A-G Huff. And I do hope you will come back. I got a million more questions. And we'll get into the weeds after I read your book even a little bit further, okay? Sounds good. Thank you. Fair enough.

Dr. Andrew Huff, everybody. Now, I am delighted to bring Representative Rich McCormick. He's a physician. There's no doubt everyone, you all saw him. I'm going to show you some of the tape of him interviewing uh dr fauci and he was saying things i mean he he i i don't i feel like he's clairvoyant because my my feelings and words were coming out of his mouth and i know i'm not the only physician that felt that way so please welcome from a congressman from georgia's district six dr rich mccormick dr mccormick. Dr. McCormick,

thank you so much for being here. Hey, good to be with you. Thanks so much. So I'm sure you've had other peers, you know, coming around and saying thank you, but I just, I think I watched part of what you're doing in real time and I'm like, oh, please, thank you, thank you, thank you. So the opportunity to thank you in real time is a deep, a deep honor. Well, you know, it had to be exposed. It's still not the result I want, which is accountability. I certainly want to learn something from this after all we had to do in the committee,

the subcommittee on coronavirus. The thinkers were supposed to expose the corruption that was there to scale. But the basic bottom, most rudimentary lesson I've learned is never have the government step in between a doctor and their patient. That is the biggest fault of this whole thing. Never politicize the disease. And never give up your rights. We're going to fight.

Oh, my God. Next time, I swear to God, I'll leave this state. This state locked down my rights for two years. No, I will be gone in five minutes. But, and let's remember, there were states that did manage, North Dakota and Florida, other places, did manage to maintain our civil liberties.

And guess what? Yeah, Florida has some older people there, so their outcomes were a little different than California, but that's about the only thing that made the difference. But yeah, the problem though, Dr. McCormick, is we don't just have the difference. But yeah, the problem though, Dr. McCormick, is we don't just have the government. They're just the latest arrival to adulterating the physician-patient interaction. We've had insurance companies forever. Now we have employers. All doctors are employed. And you as an ER doctor

probably had to deal with that a long time with clinical pathways and God knows what else. They're judging you for following their know, following their recommendations. We have regulators, we have state medical societies, we have professional societies. Everybody is in on this relationship. What's interesting to me is if you're a surgeon, you're not affected by it because they can't get into the decision-making when you're in the surgical field. If they could, they would. That's the one place they can't intrude them in. I'm sure they have ways of getting after the fact involved with it in terms of judging what a surgeon does. But what do we do with all these different layers of involvement, the government just being the most egregious

late arrival? Well, anybody who's dealt with medicine recently has realized the government does a very poor job of managing medicine in general. It's the biggest cost to government. It takes up 26% of our budget. It's the fastest inflationary cost to Americans. It's the second leading cause of business cost. It costs the Americans $5 trillion per year. It's a $5 trillion industry. That's the same size as the third largest GDP in the world,

with probably about a trillion of that being wasteful spending. We spend more time going back and forth trying to figure out what gets paid for and who gets to wet their beak at the biggest well in the world. It's highly inefficient the way we do our insurance and everything else like that. They get to tell us what's necessary, what's pre-approved. We don't have good regulation. We haveeris the secretary of health and human services appointed by biden who has lost four supreme court rulings and he's a lawyer he's a lawyer in charge of health and human services who's lost every single court case he's gone to because he

represents special interests and not the american people and this is the problem at the rudimentary level is once again government manages everything poorly. We need to keep control of medicine. The more we hand it back to doctors, the cheaper and better it will be. The problem is more and more doctors are put by hospitals and be getting to the political system. How many pediatricians spoke out openly against transitioning minors five years ago?

All of them. They're all insensitive. They said, this is horrible. It's like child abuse. Now they won't say a word because they've been kowtowed and bullied into submission. Yeah, you're absolutely right. So do you have any solutions other than maybe more of us getting involved in government to sort of shift the battleship in the right direction? Well, first of all, I think what the Supreme Court has done is taken away power of the bureaucracies that overburden us, that overregulate us.

Yes. Tell us if we don't do what we say. Yeah. Well, not just Chevron, but they've had a lot of rulings the last two years that basically have handed power back to the people. The problem is every single time the bureaucracies act, it's taken the court to win back the rights that are already ours. This is the problem that we need an overall something that codifies the law to give back the legislative branch its power so that a president or bureaucracy can't just make a willy nilly law, essentially a law that hampers us as clinicians or as a business owner or as a person trying to go to school or travel. That's what this whole clip that we did with Fauci was exposing is if you don't do what I say, I'm going to make your life miserable. And that's what this fight has been about from the very beginning, is government making your life miserable unless you comply

with them. It has to do with how expensive your ammunition is, if you can get a loan from a bank, if you can go to school, if you can travel, who you hire and who you fire, all based on if you follow their guidance or if you do what you think you should, which is what Americans are supposed to do. We fought a revolution, I thought, to unburden ourselves from tyranny. And that was a stamp tax that was about 2%, I think, of the cost of a document. But I mean, our founding fathers would be just spinning in their graves if they could. So I have a question for you, and I'm just so grateful you're serving in the government. You're a physician, you're working, you decided to do government work.

I'd love to hear why you decided to do that. But more importantly, what astonished you now that you're on the inside? One of the things that really burdens me, actually, is how much Republicans fight with each other. I liken it to a church. If you're going to grow the church, you can't have an invite by calling people idiots. First of all, let's start there. You can't divide the church and expect it to grow. And too many people inside the Republican Party think they define Republicanism or conservatism by themselves as if they are the

cornerstone. Anything you disagree with them makes you a rhino or a crazy or whatever name you want to call somebody else. I like to I'm a Reagan conservative. That's why I grew up in the 80 percent rule. You don't have to agree with me on anything. We're not a cult. One person doesn't get to dictate everybody else's feelings. And if you disagree with me, it's OK. The fact that so many people are competitive and thinking I define the Republican Party.

Stop with all that. We have some basic tenets that are very important but the most important uh thing is we we believe in the declaration of independence and the constitution and individual rights which is the ultimate minority the individual um it is very much something that we need to empower the people again and get away from big government that's united us under the conservative banner everything else is just opinion and we can discuss those things yeah i was just talking to andrew huff about the the sort of as i distill down why many of us have not gotten over covid it's not it's not the covid itself the illness that we haven't gotten over it's what our government did to us in response to covid that

we can't get over and these these individuals that in a setting of uncertainty took that opportunity with what looks like enthusiasm at the time to crush our civil liberties and jump to a totalitarian sort of rule. What do we have to do to put in place to prevent that from ever happening again? Yeah. And by the way, it's not just a pandemic. It could be global warming or anything else that they want to make a catastrophe. And by the way, there are a lot of good books that point out by Democrat physicists who are climatologists, pointed out the incandescent disease and the alarmist that has been used to take control of our money, to overregulate, to overtax, to grow government, to control our lives,

because the world will come to an end. And read a book called Unsettled. I highly recommend it. It will show you how the government will use anything, whether it be a pandemic, climate, whatever it is, to take more control of our lives, to grow something that we know that government is never the answer to the very problem that they've created. We need to take charge of our lives again and deny the government the overreaching powers that other countries have. And the only reason we've been successful as a nation is because we empowered our people. What we need to do is make sure we codify that the legislative branch is the most powerful, or at least an equal powerful part of the federal government. We need to push everything else down

to the state as much as possible. One of the ways we do that is by passing the REINS Act, which I hope we don't forget about when President Trump takes presidency, God willing, and we have the Senate back, that we don't forget and say, oh, executive power is great. I can't wait for Trump to change everything. And then set ourselves up for failure the next time we have a Democrat in position of power. We need the REINS Act would limit the presidential executive branch as well as bureaucracies from doing things that are overreaching and disrupting the balance of power that we have. This is the problem with the ATF,

FBI, CIA. Name any three-letter organization. Right now, we don't even have a post office that works. Oh my gosh. I could go on and on about the failures of government and everything they touch. It used to be the post office was the only thing left. They're gone now.

The one thing the government does well, and I'll give in to you, but I just don't see anything. Yeah, I'm not surprised to hear you say that. So including we have problems at the top, and we're both physicians, and I don't know if you're comfortable talking about this because neither of us take care of the President of the United States. But there are things that you and I do as physicians. For instance, when we were in medical school, we would watch videos of people with neurological disorders so we could identify them when we went out to the clinic. And Parkinsonism was one of the things you would see on videos all the time. And President Biden, unfortunately, is manifesting those features. Do you have, are you comfortable, given that we both see Parkinsonism, it just is, that's what that is that we're all seeing, speculating about what the potential underlying causes of Parkinsonism might be in his particular case, given that we don't know him and don't know anything about him and aren't saying this is his diagnosis.

You know, you and I have a differential that goes into our head when we see a patient that looks like that. Yeah. Whether it be Lewy body dementia or just advanced Alzheimer's or it be Parkinson's, it doesn't really matter in our case. And I would add one more to that. One more. I'll throw it in vascular. So it's vascular dementia. It's Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's is not usually Parkinsoninsonian but it can be at least it's more late that the parkinson's comes in louis body and uh and parkinson's disease right those are the four that pop in my head and automatically when i see any patient that looks like that right why aren't they having why aren't physicians stepping up and going uh excuse me this is this is the differential that we always have in our

head whenever we see somebody who manifests even a video of someone in a medical school classroom, those are the four things we would propose as possible, likely common situations here. Why aren't our peers stepping up about this? Yeah, well, remember that this has finally been exposed. We're trying to get the Garland tapes released, right? He wouldn't do it because he knew this is the kind of thinking that was exposed. You can see on full display that this is a poor old guy who just doesn't have it anymore. You can see an obvious difference in just his facial expressions from four years ago.

His gait, his candor, his ability to interpret emotions of other people, his ability to answer questions in a succinct way and roll together three sentences in succession. He can't do that anymore. And that is the obvious thing that was exposed in the debate. So this is brand new. Now the Democrats are staring going, gosh, we didn't know it was this bad. Cautioning because he hasn't been paying attention.

But we've been calling this out for literally five years, I think now. I thought he would do way worse four years ago in the debate. He held his own, kind of, but he also kind of got bullied around that's what the story was that trump was mean to him instead of he really wasn't there now it's obvious because he's deteriorated rapidly in the last couple years where he has a hard time walking like not even up for downstairs not even riding a bike but literally just finding his way off of a stage he looks like a roomba right he's kind of figuring out which way do I go?

And he kind of bumping into a wall and turn around and go the other way. You have people grabbing by the arm constantly, whether it be Secret Service, Jill, Obama. It doesn't matter. Anybody on stage with him has to show him where to go now. If he was our relative, we'd be like, well, he either needs 24-hour attention or needs to be in a facility to make sure he doesn't get harmed. That's how bad he is. At very minimum at very minimum dr mccormick if somebody like that showed up in your your er at very minimum you would make a report to the dmv you need to take

the car keys away because there will be somebody will be killed he will be killed something horrible will happen and the car keys are unfortunately driving the country right now. And his family is going through, you probably don't deal with this in ER, but in general medicine, families then still have to confront the patient with the condition. And they have anosognosia. They have a block. They don't get insight. They can't see what's happening to them. And so they fight, they're aggressive. They don't want to give up the car keys. They don't want to go in anywhere. And you kind of, kind of navigate through it, but that's what's happening right now with the country and with the first family. It's just, it's, it's something that because we all work until advanced age these days, these are common things it's happening in

the white house right now. And it's uncanny to see If you don't mind, I want to play some clips from you talking to Dr. Fauci so people get to glory in your moment there the way I did. And I hope they have the same reaction that I did. Let's play something, Caleb. You think can be done about it. I have to say that I don't see a big solution other than some sort of mandatory vaccination. I know federal officials don't like to use that term. Once people feel empowered and protected legally, you are going to have schools, universities, and colleges that are going to say, you want to come to this college, buddy? You're going to get vaccinated.

Lady, you're going to get vaccinated. Big corporations like Amazon and Facebook and all of those others are going to say you want to work for us to get vaccinated. And it's been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit and they get vaccinated. that was the miss alison williams testified before this committee about losing her job because she sought an exemption for espn's vaccine mandate which came from recommendation from bureaucrats like yourself she and her husband were actively working with a fertility expert a physician on how to get pregnant and agreed with the premise that she was young healthy wanted to get pregnant and shouldn't get the vaccination for medical purposes.

But she was fired because you made it hard, just like you said in your statement, because you didn't want to make sure that the ideological bullshit got in the way of her working, of living her life, of making a medical decision with her health care professional. I think America should take great offense to this. Yeah, I'm so with you. And I thought you made a great case for the intrusion, the extraordinary, unethical, I would say immoral intrusion into the physician-patient relationship. Yeah, and he tried to defend it by saying it was taken out of context.

There is no taking that out of context. He literally said, if you want to travel, if you want to go to work, if you want to go to schools, I will make it so difficult that you'll lose all your ideology and you'll give it up because it's bullshit. He literally said those words

because I'm going to make your life so tough that you're going to give in to the government. And that's exactly what they did. And when the government leans on you, this is this one, they make it hard to travel. And this, man, it covers so many different things. But this is what worries me because they can do the same thing for other excuses too. And he needs to be called out.

The government needs to be called out. Oh, my God. And the bioethical implications of us sort of manipulating patients into taking treatment that they don't want or demanding. It's the opposite of the practice of medicine. It's the opposite of every ethical guideline we have. And it certainly pays no regard to do no harm. That's right. And quite frankly, if you really want to do this from a scientific standpoint,

even if you believe in the efficacy of a vaccination, which in this case you could make a case for people who had never been exposed in the first generation, maybe having some benefit from it. But once you have immunity and you're giving them something that can cause a hyperimmune response, it goes without saying that if you really want to do this scientifically, at least test them for antibodies. Find out if they're immune already, because what good is a vaccination for somebody who's already immune? I mean, quite frankly, all risk, no upside. Why would you do it? But no, they just want to have a blanket rule

so they can say that they're in control. And they had this zero defixment. And he mentioned protect you legally. In other words, I'm going to make sure you can't get sued, you can't get in trouble for backing me up as the government, regardless if it's the right thing to do. Shame on him. I hope some of these kids that get myocarditis or cardiomyopathies

from being mandated to take a vaccine to go to college, these young males, I hope they sue the crap out of these guys for really harming them and not informing them, at the very minimum, of the potential of harm, and also not informing them that the potential good is zero. I don't know any 21-year-old now that's dying of Omicron or getting chronic illness. It just doesn't happen.

But I have seen a number of arrhythmias. 20-year-olds getting ablative therapies now, on anticoagulants, getting cardiomyopathies. It's a common thing now. And you would talk to any cardiologist, they'll tell you that. I just don't know that they're going to handle it fairly. This is a problem when the government gets involved.

It warps the legal system. The DOJ is corrupt, as we've seen. I just don't see us getting a fair say. In every other case we've ever had in history, we could correct a bad drug. A lot of good drugs have been thrown out because of legal cases. But in this case, it's just not happening. And it sucks. I'm really disgusted by the way the government has warped science, including like I said,

climate science, which is, it is totally misrepresented. And this is when the government gets involved, you lose the truth. Well, whenever you see a hundred percent of scientists agree or 98% of scientists agree,

you should immediately go, huh? Because science, scientists never agree on anything. They always, there's always consent. There's always the centers. There's always people that have different ideas. Always, always, always, no matter what the topic is.

I mean, you know, and so this, oh, the 98% agree. Therefore it's, that's it case closed. No, that's when you should go, huh? Something's wrong with that. I don't understand, but something's not right. Well, listen, I, you've been very kind with your time and you've been, uh, I don't know how to thank you enough for being in there and fighting the right fight and fighting the good fight and continuing to swing because the fight isn't over. And if there's anything I can do to back you up, both as a colleague and as a citizen, I hope you'll call on us here because this is so important what you're doing. I'm flabbergasted by what happened. I don't quite understand how we find our way back, but we must. Yes, we do.

And this is the perfect time to do it because we are approaching the 4th of July where we fought for our independence. We gave great sacrifice to break away from a tyrannical government. And this is the most important fight of our life is to make sure that the government doesn't become so efficient through basically a dictatorship, if you will. And I don't apply it directly, but you see the most effective government is a dictatorship. When a president has overly powerful executive privilege, it becomes very dangerous. When they can shut down an entire economy, when they can take away your rights, your God-given rights for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, We have lost the American way. July 4th is a great reminder of what we are given as inalienable rights that we have to fight for every step of the way. We're one generation from losing that. As Reagan said, let's keep fighting. And what is it Benjamin Franklin said? We have given

them a republic. Let's see if they can keep it. This is what he was talking about. It's when times get tough that we have to really examine everything we do thank you dr mccormick appreciate it very much hey semper fi have a great weekend cheers what do we do if our dictator has parkinson's well i mean you heard he had the exact same thought thoughts in his heads that i did that there's parkinson is the there's certain things that you can do, you can say by watching a video of any human being, and doctors can go, oh, that's a maculopapular eruption. Oh, that's somebody with Parkinsonia. Oh, that's achathesia. Oh, that's dystonia. They're just things that just you can see across the room, and therefore you can see on a video. The thing that

we do next, the way our brains work as physicians we go oh what could be causing that and what are other in this context an older man uh could it be we left out one other topic by the way medications to do this kind of thing too so could he be on some medication causing the parkinsonism could there could be confusion being be being caused by the anti-parkinsonian medication. So meds are kind of the wild card in all of this, but the differential diagnosis that every physician will have, every general physician, ER physician, internist, will be Lewy body, vascular dementia, Alzheimer's, and Alzheimer's outlier, frankly, because I don't know, that just doesn't quite fit for me. So Lewy body,

vascular dementia, and just Parkinson's disease, which is often also associated with mood disturbances and cognitive disturbances. That's it, period. That's what we think about when we see these things. And why that conversation is not getting into the public is kind of weird, but okay. And what you see with Jean-Pierre today, Corinne Jean-Pierre is saying, somebody asked her directly, does he have dementia? And he said, no, he does not. And then the next question should be,

well, so he has Parkinson's disease, correct? And if she says no, then you're like, okay, now you're lying. Because we can see it. We can see the gait problem. We can see the mask-like faces. We can see the motoric slowing. We see it.

That's just what that is. And so, huh, we got to figure this out. Whether or not he can, you know, continue to operate a government or something i have no opinion about it frankly it just i just want to be able to talk honestly about what's going on here and the fact that everyone is gaslighting so profoundly both in the press and from the government that that is that's the part that bothers me that that is a disgusting quality that needs to be addressed. And I hope when the truth does sort of emerge that people will call people on what they have been doing. Susan, you seem to be leaning in to say something.

I don't know. It kind of reminds me of like Fidel Castro. Well, because you're talking about totalitarian governments that control information, control your consciousness, control what, you can show her camera, Caleb. She's good now. She's all made up. Let me find my button.

Yeah, she's made up. You don't have to. No, I'd like to see her. No, I just worry about who's running the government and how much more of a totalitarian government we're going to be in the middle of. When Fidel Castro was sick with his bowel problem, and it probably was colon cancer, they minimized all that.

He's fine. He's perfect. Never been healthier. This is what governments do when they want control. Is his wife running the country? Well, she's, I mean, listen, we had this once before in 19, the early part of the 20th century with Woodrow Wilson. Would you want me running the country?

No comment. We had Woodrow Wilson having a massive stroke, having a massive stroke, and his wife was running the government for a while. She probably had some colleagues in there sort of helping her. But yeah, that's what happened back in the early part of the 20th century, the end of the First World War. Okay, so that was fun.

I hope you guys all learned something. I'm looking at the end of the first world war okay so uh that was fun i hope you guys all learned something i'm looking at the rants here um government can get too lean and people get hurt what does that mean hawk hawk guy uh um carrie pace as i remember wilson no you don't remember that that was 110 years ago i'm kind of bummed out because i can see 2 000 people over on x hi everybody on x but i can't see him on the restream today for some reason there's lots of action on the restream maybe you guys can tell her uh there's lots of twitch and youtube uh going well i see youtube i see twitch but i don't see x today but i i can see it on my phone but if you're over there on X, I'm sorry. We will be listening. Just a quick gratitude sort of inventory is we love doing the show.

It's been this sort of thing that happened organically during COVID. We were just trying to help get the truth out there as much as we could. We are still maintaining that same philosophy in what we're doing here. We are trying to book guests and create topics that you all seem to be interested in we appreciate you coming and watching the show we appreciate you listening if you have suggestions contact drdrew.com and we are extremely uh grateful to have the people that support the show that support us whether it's paleo valley and true nige and oak we didn't mention cozy earth today cozy earth is opening a new store in newport beach we noticed and we were

had a whole conversation susan and i about how lucky we were to have their products. And Mike Lindell. We are very, very grateful for people that support this show so we can keep doing it. And I don't know what to say except that we are just grateful. Somebody said my hair looks good. Thank you, The American Dreamer. I just had it blown out. Show her again.

We can show Susan again. People can appreciate that. Even though she may not be able to run the united states of america she can run this show and create help create this show and and look good on camera could you imagine if something happened to you and you're the president of the united states i would die you know what you know what you would have the good sense to gather people together and not do what everybody thinks they're doing that and look what they did when biden came into office they tore down the wall it's not like they hired the right people well that's an interesting that will you're you're sort of tilting at who's running the

government which i don't know i am not political at all i'm i could never be the president's wife by the way i'll just let you guys know and we we are moderates. I talk to dead people. We are moderates and we haven't declared anybody. We've been helping RFK Jr. and their campaign because I just love that he's stirring things up. I love some of the things he stands for and I'm happy to support him along the way here and I'm so, so, so grateful he's in this race. Tomorrow, Viva Fry and Adam Carolla is going to come in and talk about his interaction with Gavin Newsom and Chris Cuomo,

which many of you haven't seen yet. And we might have Barnes in here with Viva. Dave Rubin coming in studio on Wednesday. Michael Faraclo at noontime. That's on July 11th. He is a British educator. Zach Voorhees, Dave Smith coming in. Just lots and lots and lots

of things coming your way. And we will, again, try to continue to create things that you feel that seem interesting to you. And we get great guests. And thank you, Emily Barsh, for getting access to these wonderful guests. Yeah, she does a great job. We love her. A content creator.

She's going to help me get guests on my show, which will be Thursday at 3 o'clock. Calling out with o'clock. A week from Thursday. Calling out with Susan Pinsky. A week from Thursday. I need a plug. I sit here every day. I have to get my plug in.

Wait, Susan. This Thursday? Next Thursday. A week from Thursday. So not in two days. So the 11th of July. Not the 4th of July. I'm going to be free on the 4th of July.

Excellent. You're going to be celebrating freedom by being free. Yeah. We'll be down in Orange County. So look for us there. We appreciate it. We'll be in tomorrow though. Let me specifically talk about,

as I said, Viva Fry, Adam Carolla. Should be another great show. We appreciate you being here. We'll see you then, three o'clock Pacific time. I'm not a lizard.

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