Ask Dr. Drew - Ed Dowd Exposes "Sudden Adult Deaths" Increase & New mRNA Data w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 146

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Ed Dowd has amassed evidence from the insurance industry, funeral home industry, and government databases showing excessive deaths among working-age Americans have increased in 2021 versus 2020. Cause unknown? Ed reveals his data LIVE with Dr. Kelly Victory on Ask Dr. Drew. Also watch / download Ed Dowd's first appearance on September 21, 2022. Read Ed Dowd’s book “Cause Unknown” on Amazon. Follow Edward Dowd on Gettr. Throughout his stock picking career, Ed Dowd utilized pattern recognition to get ahead of his peers and the street before his bullish or bearish thesis became consensus. Early in 2021, he noticed a rise of news anecdotes about sudden deaths among very fit athletes and other seemingly healthy young people across the country. Edward has amassed evidence from the insurance industry, funeral home industry, and government databases that excessive deaths among working-age Americans have increased in 2021 versus 2020. His thesis was simple: What changed in 2021? 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Of course, today we have moved up the Kelly Victory Show from Wednesday to Tuesday because we will be traveling. We'll be away for about two weeks. Kelly will continue to do Wednesday shows. I believe both Wednesdays, Susan, while we are gone? No. One Wednesday. We have Pierre Corey coming up. And we also have another very exciting guest I will tell you about after the intro. Today, by popular demand, Ed Dowd is back. He was extremely well received by our audience, and he has some interesting new information and a very exciting new project as

well. Of course, Ed is a former Wall Street analyst, founding partner in finance technology, P-H-I-N-A-N-C-E. New book is called Cause Unknown, The Epidemic of Sudden Death in 2021 and 2022. He is a data guy and he's just looking at the data and trying to give us information to penetrate what is or is not going on. So we'll get to that right after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous.

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Should be very interesting. She responded to a DM I sent her and said she'd come on, and then we lost track for a while. Then she, out of the blue, sought me out and said she wanted to be on the program. So off we go. She is somebody I admire, I'm interested in. I'm not sure if I agree on everything with her, but as always, bring things to the light. Have conversation. That is really my goal in all of these shows we're doing.

So today, again, it's Ed Dowd for a command performance. He's a wall street analyst. He wrote a book cause unknown, the epidemic of sudden deaths in 2021 and 2022. And he has been examining the data. He has a new project. He is launching and announcing here today. And he has an update on that data.

Ed, welcome back to the program. Thank you for having me again on Dr. Drew pleasure to be here. You bet you want to give your announcement first we'd like to review some of the data that's updated. Let me let me just before I announced the project, we call it the Humanity Project. I'll just kind of update you guys on since my appearance in September, some new data. The

bottom line is disability continues to rise in this country we went to a new high in september uh the us bureau labor statistics in the month of september we had 990 000 disabled people and then it's come back a little bit in in october but the trend is clearly up and to the right this was a stock chart i would own it and uh you know be pitching it as a stock chart. I would own it and, you know, be pitching it as a stock to own. So, you know, nine nine hundred ninety thousand is the size of San Francisco. This is becoming alarming, to say the least. Before COVID, it was running absolute numbers around twenty nine to thirty million annually. Now it's at thirty three.2 million disabled Americans. And again, this is a real-time survey. It's just people saying that they are disabled or someone in their household is disabled.

It's not tied to a doctor's note or a claim in the social security disability system. So it's real-time survey. And that keeps going up. And that has me concerned um and do we know do we have any any penetration into that data what kind of symptoms what sorts of disability no they don't break it down by that but they do break it down by uh age and uh and and work whether you're working or not working or whether you're a man or a woman. And the last time I was on, unfortunately, the numbers still show that the employed population,

which is about 98 to 100 million, is experiencing 25% disability increase rate versus the general population, which is 7%. So something's going on with our workforce. You know my thesis on that it's, it's the vaccines, but, you know, it needs to be examined, at least discussed, and it's being ignored, not even talked about. It's not a news story. It's not even something that's on anybody's radar screen. It's a huge problem. And, you know, I'll talk later in the show, but this is going to

have implications for economic growth going forward. It leads to inflation. The more people that are disabled, that this continues to grow. It leads to people missing work hours, taking care of the disabled in their home. And it's going to have impact on goods and services because there will just be a constant shortage of labor around the country. And again, I'm just so curious what these numbers represent, what's in there, because there's a lot of candidates in addition to the vaccine. Can we talk a little bit about the excess death data again? Because I had something I wanted to

go over with you there, which was, Vinay Prasad wrote this up and I thought it was a good point. What is our model for anticipated deaths? How do we know that we have the right number? To be able to document excess deaths, you have to build a model that tells you what the anticipated death rate should be. How do we know that we got that model right? That actually leads right to the question of the humanity project. So that's a great question.

So there's different ways of coming at it. And I have two partners, Carlos and Yuri, who are both PhD physicists. We started a hedge fund a couple months ago, but we're not raising capital right now. We're working on this project because it's so important to get this out to the world. So we've been focused on this and delaying the raising of capital. And basically they put out on the website two methodology papers, one for the UK and one for the US on how to calculate what's the correct baseline

from which to calculate the excess death rates. And they use an adjusted population trend model because if you have a population that is growing, it'll make estimations on the wrong side or if it's decreasing. So they trend adjust it for population. Then they also project forward what the death trend would be, you know, a few years into into into the future so you can see when you look at this website how excess death rates have deviated from what trend and and and uh normal normalcy is so it's it's definitely a great question a lot of people just use a five-year average which is great if you don't have if you have a static population but if the population is growing or declining it'll give you different answers so we we correct for that and uh we intend for this project the humanity humanity project which is

free to everyone it's all the data access death rates it's got vaccination schedules depending upon the data in the country um right now with the uk and europe up us is coming soon and basically this data can be peer reviewed. It can be downloaded by people. It can be talked about and debated. And one thing on the website, we tried to stay away from was conclusions. It is what it is.

It's the data. And the data shows some alarming trends. Excess death is up in most of these countries that I'm talking about, the UK, Europe, and US. There seems to be an excess death rate rise especially amongst the younger age folks uh in 2021 and 2022 it did not occur in 2020 so there's lots of public health questions that can be asked now myself carlos and yuri believe it's the vaccine but we're open to any kind of uh debate about it if you want to like talk about why this

is occurring that'd be great but the bottom line is it's occurring it's happening it's true but it's not being discussed in the media as far as i can see or by any health global health agency at all this is this is another like i said like the title of my book it's an epic epidemic of sudden death and now disability is also a huge problem that's going to be 10 to 20 x the uh actual deaths we're seeing so this is a problem we've identified it the data is the data and now we want people to start discussing this now we have our conclusions and we we we encourage debate but we want this to at least to be identified and talked about yeah i think it's sort of uh as always when things seem scandalously silent i i shake my head i blame

myself i think i must be missing something is there something here that i'm not thinking about that that creates a a environment for the press to be unwilling to just at least report on this, talk about this. And the only thing I could come up with was maybe our models of what death projections should be are somehow inaccurate. If someone was criticizing the models you used to estimate death, what would they criticize? They might come up with a different methodology. used to estimate death, what would they criticize? They might come up with a different methodology. But again, these two guys are scientists. One is currently an academic working with us.

Another one was an academic, and now he's been in different hedge funds throughout his career. These guys welcome any kind of criticism and debate. But this is rigorous scientific analysis. And they said to me, when we go into this project, Ed, if the data comes up that you're wrong, we're gonna tell everybody that you're wrong. And I said, I agree. Well, the data's not coming up that way.

So the data is the data. In fact, Yuri had a conversation, he's currently an academic at a university in Portugal, and his colleagues call him crazy, but now they're starting to ask questions, and he says, look, the data's the data. If you don't like the data, that's fine, but I'm a scientist, and if you want to challenge how I did it, fine, but this is the data. You know what I think. You don't have to agree with me, but this is the data. So we want to establish this is the data this is real now if you want to debate what's causing it fine well two couple things i the the us data is not up yet right i'm noodling around it's not up it'll be up in a week um the us has been covered a lot by myself and, uh, other people. We have the insurance SOA numbers that I talked about with you the last time.

The data is there as well, but we're going to look at it according to these methodologies as well, which I'm told produce similar results to the work that the society of actuaries has already done. And my partner, Josh and I did. So it's all, it's all coming, and that'll be up in a week. We thought it was important to launch this right now. I love it. You mentioned an epidemic of sudden death.

I'm not seeing the sudden death data in here. Is that your previous data we're talking about? No, that's in the book. We focus initially on fit athletes dying. We cite a study that over 38 years came up with a number of about 29 athletic deaths per year over like 38 years of people dying on the field globally. Well, we're lucky if that number is 29 in any given day since 2021 so that's an anecdotal kind of thing then i in my book i go into the metadata you're seeing here um sudden death is just about one thing that occurs it doesn't necessarily have to be sudden death it could be other and again for future projects

we're going to be working on the what's called the for future projects, we're going to be working on what's called the V damage report. And we're going to be studying all the data associated with adverse events and death and the causes. So this is, that's a project on the come that's going to require more data, more help. And we're also making a call and a plea to other academics and scientists to join our efforts. This isn't just making a call and a plea to other academics and scientists to join our efforts. This isn't just Carlos, myself, and Yuri. We welcome collaboration. We welcome teamwork. We welcome scrutiny. And this website was launched under the principles of the Malone doctrine, which I helped write for Dr. Malone, which is in data integrity integrity of of transparency of what we're doing this is

transparent for everyone we're not hiding we're not uh trying to uh obfuscate anything here this is the data a couple of questions for you before you bring dr victory in here um based on the actuarial data and the insurance data you presented last time why aren't the rates going up or are they they are so let me just update you guys real quick on what i insurance data you presented last time, why aren't the rates going up or are they? They are. So let me just update you guys real quick on what I found out since the last time I was on. So I have an insider in the insurance industry and the society of actuaries doesn't report excess death monthly. They kind of update it annually in a big report once a year.

So we've got the 2021 numbers in August of this year. But I have access to the real-time data, and it was told to me the month of August in the Society of Actuaries for the Group Life Policyholders, the excess deaths was 36% for 18 to 44. Let me repeat that, 36%. Now, if this was a pandemic that we are told is winding down, natural immunity and vaccines, suppose they worked, that excess mortality should be turning back to zero or even better than zero. It's stubbornly high, and it's a problem. And again, Dr. Drew, this is a population that is much healthier than the general overall population as their studies have proven beforehand in 2016 that they experience the mortality rate of 30 to

40 percent that in any given year of the general U.S. population. So they're experiencing crazy amounts of excess death. And it's just it's starting to weigh on their numbers. Let me also say this Q3 numbers are coming out in insurance companies and Lincoln national reported a disastrous quarter. The stock was down some 30%, I believe. Prudential is also reported. And what's going on there is they're revising their assumptions about mortality. And this has huge impacts on their reserves. And one of the products

that they are having a problem with is called universal life which you have the option to lapse it well lapse rates are plummeting and they're plummeting i suspect because people are worried about their health and may or may not um be diagnosed with something that came up recently. And so they're not lapsing their policies. And these insurance companies are taking big losses. So it's not indirectly, they're not losing money directly yet. They are losing some money, but not as much as they just lost recently directly due to the vaccine, which is my belief.

They're losing it because excess mortality assumptions are wrong. And when they're wrong, insurance companies lose tons of money. So something's going on with excess mortality that we shouldn't be seeing at this stage of a pandemic. I agree. And you simply can't be disputed that something is going on other than the anticipated death, if that's accurate, it can't be disputed. I'm beginning to believe, however, there may be a bunch of things crammed into those excess death datas. Do you have a plan to how to sort out what's going on there? You know, if you see a clotting death, you know, you see a stroke, you see an MI, you

see an embolic event, it's like, hmm, that's post-COVID or vaccine probability. But if cancer is also going up, I'm not sure what that is, right? Or how do we parse this all apart once we collect the data? Well, that hopefully is what the vaccine project is going to help illuminate something on. We haven't, that's again, uh, we've been focusing on all cause mortality and, uh, and disability just to say there is a problem. And that next step is to try to identify it, but we're pretty certain what it is. And yes, are, are, are there more suicides? Are there more drug overdoses?

Surely, but not 35, not 36%, uh, and not specifically for the working age population that are employed. That's the smoking gun for me. And is it also the case that the countries that have more distribution of mRNA vaccines have more of this excess death? What is packed into your conclusion that it's related to the vaccine? The biggest single smoking gun for all the countries, if you take a broad backstroke, is the age group 25 to 44 in almost every country experienced excess mortality in 21 and 22 versus 2020. And we do know that the vaccines were introduced in 21 and continue to be rolled out in 22. So that age cohort should not be experiencing excess death unless the virus is transmuted into only affecting younger folks.

Secondly, we did discover in a number of countries, the vaccination schedule for children was not the same time as the adults. It was approved later, especially in the UK. And what we saw was excess death rising for all ages except zero through 14 into the fall of 2021. Then suddenly when vaccines were introduced, the excess death rates for that age group,

which had been going down, mind you, because of all the lockdowns and school closures and accidental death is one of the major causes for that age group to die. So there was less activity, less activity would absolutely foot to their excess mortality going down. It started going back up as soon as vaccines were introduced in the countries where that occurred.

So that, to me, also says, hey, what's going on? And coincidentally enough, the UK did, I think, stop all vaccines for children under a certain age. I can't remember the exact age. Well, that was going to be my next question. Yeah, and? And, well, ask your question, and then I think I should just kind of show Denmark as a country as an example of our website

and the kind of data that's available there. Okay. So it's just a simple statement with maybe a little bit of a question mark at the end of it, which is, is it not the case that the UK has been looking at this recently very seriously and taking action? I noticed I'm seeing videos of people testifying

in front of the parliament and sort of really raising raising the fact that the not looking at this seems scandalous and we do need to look at this just sort of simply just much like yourself just like let's let's figure this out and i don't see any conversation like that in this country no not yet in fact our country is the worst right now and i would like to now um show you just an example of what can be one slice of one country's data that can be found on our website um denmark let me go i'm going to go to my screen here denmark is a country yearly mortality for age group total uh if you could

throw that chart up i'll describe what you're looking at hey you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna interrupt you i'm gonna interrupt you because i I know Kelly wanted to go over this particular data with you. So let's take a quick break here and then we'll bring Dr. Victory in. We'll all go over this data. Stay with us. We'll be right back. Great. Consumer price index yet again going up, stock market in turmoil. What's our government doing to quell the surge of inflation that is gutting American families? Oh, yeah, they're spending more money and adding to the burden. Don't bury your head in the sand while your savings get decimated. It's time to do something about this.

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This episode ends here. The rest of the show is available at drdrew.tv. There's nothing in medicine that doesn't boil down to a risk-benefit calculation. It is the mandate of public health to consider the impact of any particular mitigation scheme on the entire population. This is uncharted territory, Drew. And Kelly, I'll give you a chance to say hi to Ed Dowd, and then we'll get right into that Danish data. Terrific. And welcome back, Ed. Thanks for coming back and joining us for this. Before we get into the weeds on the Denmark data, which I really am excited to do, let me just get three quick things out there to sort of level set or give some

perspective to folks. With regard to all-cause mortality, let's be clear. All-cause mortality is remarkably stable, Drew, year over year, independent of big events. In years where we've had world wars, other pandemics, other issues going on, all-cause mortality stays remarkably stable. Furthermore, when you look at certain age groups and the report that Ed was referencing with regard to sudden death in young, healthy athletes, this was a study that was conducted by the International Olympic Committee well before COVID. It dates back to looking at data from the mid-1990s until about 2006, and reported on the number of essentially professional-level athletes who had sudden death on any given year. And as Ed said correctly, the average was around 29 athletes per year died of sudden death on any given year. And as Ed said correctly, the average was around 29 athletes per

year died of sudden death and what was later determined in almost all of them to be cardiac related. We now are upwards of 50 per month. Okay. 50 per month since the beginning of 2021 compared to 29 per year. Again, another data repository. And then the last thing I'd like to get at least on the radar for everyone is this isn't just Ed's data that he's looking. This is multiple pockets, multiple. You can look at the life insurance people. You can look at the disability insurance folks. You can look at the data being reported by all of the health insurers with regard to upticks in incidents of everything from pulmonary embolisms to cancers to infertility. You can look at the data from the three military, quote, whistleblowers on what's going on with the

military. You can look at birth rates around the country. Okay. You have multiple independent sources of data, all which point to something catastrophic that is going on. So at a minimum, you would have to agree with Ed, something terrible is happening. And why are the public health, you know, agencies who are tasked with following this stuff, not following it? So now let's get into, well, I will tell you, you know, agencies who are tasked with following this stuff, not following it. So now let's get into, well, I will tell you, you know, obviously, you know, I agree with Ed. I think it is irrefutable, frankly, that it's the vaccines. But why not even a press? Well, let's say it's not the vaccine. Let's just say it's just this observational data.

Why the silence from the people that should be reporting this? It's astonishing. My personal opinion is because they know darn well what it is. If they thought for a minute it was COVID, if they thought for a minute it was global warming, if they thought for a minute that it was any of these other things, they'd be reporting on it. It's because they know darn well what it is because let's face it we didn't have an uptick in all-cause mortality in any of these things in 2021 when we had the severe outbreak of covid when we had the original wuhan strain that was killing people even when we had delta Delta. This is a result or has happened on the heels of the rollout of the vaccines, not on when we had the more severe cases of COVID, Wuhan strain,

and then subsequently Delta. So my personal opinion is that they aren't reporting on it because they know darn well what it is. And thankfully, people like Ed and his group are simply not going to allow them with getting away with keeping this data hidden. I think it's critical. It needs to see the light of day and be exposed for what it is. I will step out when he presents the Denmark data for you, but I'm going to keep pushing the idea that maybe there are other things in the mix here. Like maybe the lockdown had a bigger effect than we knew. Maybe some of it's fact. There could be multiplicity of factors, but it doesn't, whichever

it is, doesn't reduce the need for it to be reported on, talked about, examined, parsed apart. So go ahead. I'll step out here and let you tell you to do go over the denmark data yeah so let's at least let's start with that start with denmark so this uh if you can throw up the first chart which is yearly mortality for age group total in denmark um i can basically tell you that this is one country, one example. When you go on the website, you'll be able to choose the method. We have three methods to calculate the baseline.

So we rest on method 2C, which is trend-adjusted death rate. That's what we think is appropriate. This first chart you're seeing is excess mortality, age group comparison for the country of Denmark from 2020 to 2022. And what you'll notice is we have it broken down by age and blue is 2020, black is 2021 and green is 2022. And that's excess death rates for the different age cohorts. And you can see, at least especially in the country of Denmark, which is one of the more

starker examples, the excess death rates have gone up for basically every age cohort in the country into 2022. Okay, so that in the country of Denmark, something horrible is going on. So what did Denmark do recently? They banned the vaccine for those under 50. Why they keep it for over 50, we can debate that. But for under 50, they banned the vaccine and they came out and said, we'd rather have you get COVID than the vaccine. So without saying it, that's Orwellian speak for you're better off with COVID than the vaccine in terms of surviving. So that says something right there. The government's never going to come out and admit this. So we, the people have to basically just arm people with data and facts. This is a disaster. Now let's go to the other chart on denmark and is very interesting um

uh let me go back up to that so in the fir in the in the left uh hand box yearly mortality for age group you can see the long-term trend for deaths in denmark there's the trend there's the death rates and then there's projections and you can see what happened since 2020. It's off and to the right. Okay. And then you can see, this is, and that's for the total population. And you can, again, you can break this down by age group. We just took total because Denmark's the most stark example. And there's all sorts of things that you'll find in different countries, but mostly, just keep this in mind, mostly young people experience excessive death rates starting in 21 and 22. uh and on the right hand side you can see excess death rates and vaccination uptake and

it's gone up every year into 2022 in denmark so there's no doubt in my mind they stopped this because they saw the same data that we saw okay this is you know this is not a mystery they're seeing what we're seeing now that begs the question if denmark's seeing what we're seeing and they stopped it why in this country we're experiencing similar things why have they not stopped this they see what we see so again i don't want to get into the who and why of what happened but But at this point, it's a cover-up and it's criminal negligence at this point because they see exactly what we see. And other countries are starting to stop it. So the longer this goes on, the more we can say it's criminal. And I agree with you, Ed, but I don't think they're just starting to see it. In the UK,

for example, they stopped vaccinations for kids under the age of 15 some many months ago. And then about three months ago, they stopped giving the vaccines to pregnant women, lactating women, or women who were trying to get pregnant. In Israel, same thing, they've started to back off. In Denmark, many of the Scandinavian countries, early on, not doing that in the United States? Why are our public health leaders, our CDC, why do they continue as of today to post safe and effective on their website when we have a growing amount of data to indicate that at a minimum, we should be asking some really serious questions. I agree wholeheartedly. And again, I'm not a judge. I'm not a lawyer. I'm a data guy. And the data I'm seeing at this point suggests a horrible event has occurred. I believe it's global vaccination. The proof is in the numbers and questions need to be asked and they're not

being asked by the health authority. So that tends to suggest to me a cover-up. At some point, this will be adjudicated by many, many individuals, but that's not my job. My job is to report what I'm seeing and it's not good and it's not talked about. And again, as a former Wall Street executive that's seen many frauds in his lifetime. I've seen this behavior before. It's the cover up and the, uh, not talking about what's, uh, you know, the elephant in the room, this is the elephant in the room. And the longer this goes on, the worse it gets. And I'm not going to let anybody, how does that go down?

What's that? And how did, in your experience, how did, in your experience, how does that unravel? How does it go down? How does the truth emerge? So when I was in the markets, there's a stock price. It's a voting mechanism. And stocks will tend to lead news by a long period. So Enron peaked in 2000, went bankrupt in 2001 or 2002. But it took a long time for everybody to figure out there was fraud. but there were those on the margin who did and made a lot of money.

I view this the same way, and that's why we're putting this data out. We're trying to help those who can make informed decisions, and don't be the people who have to read this two years from now in the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times, because when you do, you will have already lost all your money and potentially your health and your life. So this is what we call in Wall Street smart money versus dumb money. Well, and here the stock payoff is survivorship and lack of morbidity and mortality. But I have a guest that wants to come up here from our audience.

Let's bring him on up. Let me ask one quick question here. Let me ask one quick question because I think I want to get this. Drew asked, and I think one of the most critical bits of data that we need to get to understand this is what is going on in the parts of the world that do not have heavily vaccinated populations? I asked this question to Dr. James Thorpe, the OBGYN maternal fetal health specialist. We are seeing these massive decreases in birth rates around the country, but I asked him the

question, what about places like Sub-Saharan Africa, where we don't have high vaccination rates? Have you and your team been able to look at all-cause mortality in those areas of the world, and there are many, where the population is largely unvaccinated for COVID? Dr. Two things. The work we've just done required tremendous effort and heavy lifting, so we focused on the problem at hand. The website and our call is we invite people to do those studies and assist us. And we may do them in the future, but right now that's a question that needs to be investigated and we welcome it.

And if the answer is that sub-Saharan Africa is experiencing the same adverse mortality, that would be a good indication that maybe there's something else at play. But if they're not, then that's more evidence for us. So we welcome transparency. We welcome anybody to help out here. We don't have a monopoly on the data. We just want the data to be out there and talked about and distributed. Rob, come on in. We're going to bring Rob in here. Rob Schneider. Hi, guys. It's a fascinating conversation that needs to be happening not on Twitter, but on ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, Fox News, everywhere. I think what we're tiptoeing around is captured agencies. agencies that are supposed to be monitoring and in charge of the pharmaceutical industry, whether it's the FDA, CDC, and there's no firewall

there. There's a revolving door, whether it's Gerberding, who used to be the head of the CDC vaccine division, and then all of a sudden she's running vaccines at Merck. You also have captured tech companies. You have these and really the problem in this societal as well, because you have, you know, propaganda is much more insidious in a so-called democracy than it is in a totalitarian society. I mean, people in the Soviet Union, you know, knew the Providence task was BS. But people here do believe ABC news. They do believe the, uh, New York times, a lot of them. And so, um, when, uh, when is this going

to come around? I think until there's actual prosecution of people on the board of medicines who have obviously, um, who've committed some sort of fraud. And until the board members and CEOs of pharmaceutical companies have some sort of prosecution, it's just going to take one attorney general somewhere of a state, whether it's Mississippi or Missouri, and then I think the cowed and captured media and the press will have to jump in. It's interesting because if you do look at the numbers, don't lie. And that's why they have to focus on that. And it is stunning.

I mean, it is an indictment, not I'm just on this, but why in swine flu when 53 deaths, all of a sudden it was shut down. Because I think you did not have the same capturing of agencies that you do now. And I don't think you had pharmaceutical companies paying upwards in a non-election year, 85% of all ads on tech companies, on television, radio, the internet, you know, you didn't have pharmaceutical products as advertisers. So it really is that, it is that, you know, deep there. I mean, it does take time. Like, for instance, you know, one thing, if you look at lead gas and lead in gasoline, people did know that in the late 1920s, there was enough evidence to say that this is causing an increase in... We lost Rob's phone. Well, you know, there's no question.

There are many, many things about... There's an increase in murders. Well, there are many, many things about this vaccine program that are unprecedented, not the least of which is that they have turned a blind eye to the VAERS system, their own system that they put in place as the proverbial canary in the coal mine, the early warning system that the CDC put in place themselves, they have turned a blind eye to. You are correct with the swine flu vaccine in 76, it was pulled from the market after 25 associated deaths. We've never given a new vaccine on groups of people on whom it's never been tested and on and on. So lots of ways this vaccine has been very different.

And there's no question that corruption in the agencies, it plays a huge role in that. Ed, you have said that you don't want to say sort of the why or the who, but you acknowledge that we need to be exposing this as corruption. And you and I have talked about this. Exposing it as corruption is the one way in which people who have been vaccine injured actually have some recourse. As long as there's no fraud, the vaccine manufacturers are completely, they enjoy blanket liability protection under the emergency use authorization.

So where do you see this going in terms of exposing it for what it is, which is, as you said, fraud, corruption, criminal activity? Yeah. So I believe all those things. And I have a theory of the case and I have opinions on who and why and regulatory capture and whatnot. Uh, my goal is to change the marginal mind and stop this madness from going on. And I don't want to assault anyone's worldview because it's hard for people to believe the

system broke down this badly. I just want to establish the fact that it's true, it's happening. I think it's the vaccines. And I think if I can just stick to that message and get people convinced and not getting boosters i think i've done my job i have all sorts of uh beliefs about what's happened and why it's happened i don't think that's important right now i think we need in my humble opinion this project that we've just launched is to get the data out there so people can make informed decisions and stop this madness now what's going to come behind me?

I'm one of the people. Before you tell me what's behind me, I'm one of these people that are having trouble reconciling this. I really am. Even though I know there's that cozy relationship that Rob Schneider just mentioned, I know that's there, but I still want to believe people that work in healthcare have the best interest of the people they serve in all situations. And that has to be completely wrong if we're going to indict some of these people or accuse them of this kind of thing, whatever it might be.

Well, look, this is a phenomenon that also includes mass psychology. There's all sorts of people that, you know the ones that i've seen in my career especially in finance when momentum builds it's hard to stop it and people get on board even though they in their gut they may think there's something up they're like well these other people believe it and so that's what happens there's kind of this hurting effect and so i think a lot of people didn't do their due diligence who are doctors on this and that's fine because the fda is a trusted third-party institution. If they've been thoroughly corrupted, and if they were in this case, a lot of doctors are going to be feeling, I can't believe this happened, and rightly so.

And there's been, I think, corruption at the FDA for a long time. We didn't see it as much as we were seeing it in these numbers because it was one-offs, one-off products, and these and that. So this is something where the data is there. It's happening. It's true. And I think personally, it's going to change how we interface with our institutions for many years to come, but I'm not going there. I just want to prove to people, this has happened.

It's a coverup at this point and let's have a discussion. And then. Is it a coverup or they, or they just don't, they don't see it because of the two, the tulip mania they're in. Is it, is it a conscious coverup or they are they just don't they don't see it because of the two the tulip mania they're in is it a conscious cover-up or is it tulip mania i think there's both i think a lot of the rank and file are in tulip mania but if you're at the top looking at the aggregate data you see what i see and it's i mean you again denmark just pulled the plug on this they they finally cried no moss yeah you Excess death going up every year into a pandemic with numerical vaccines or with natural immunity makes zero sense. As you know, Dr. Drew, it should be declining, heading towards zero. So this is where we are. My partners and I in my

book, the job of this is to get people aware that it's true. Because there's people, 90% of the population doesn't know it's happening. I just want people to know it's happening. So talk a little bit more, Ed, about, let's go back to the Humanity Project and the website. You've parsed this data. You and your team have done the deep analysis, the heavy lifting on the data out of the US. You've been reporting on that for quite a while now, Denmark. How is this going to play out? Do you guys plan to go country by country? Are you hoping for others to jump in and start providing their own data? How does the Humanity Project look to you going forward? Well, the all-cause mortality data is pretty cut and dry. This is

from the databases out of Europe, Eurostat, and the UK, ONS. So this is not, no one has to recreate the wheel here. The debate is the conclusions and or, you know, the methodology. And we're pretty certain we got that airtight. The next step is I'm going to, you know, I launched it here on your show, Dr. Drew. The next step is I'm going to go all over the independent media. I'm going to try to get on maybe some mainstream media if somebody would have me and just talk about this project, talk about the data. And from there, I want this to go viral. I want contributors to help us. Like you said earlier, if someone wants to do sub hara in africa excess mortality go at it and contribute to the humanity project you know we're looking for

uh data scientists we're looking for people to join us this is a this is a project separate from the hedge fund it's not going to be we don't even have the hedge fund uh seeding capital yet so this is a very important project we're looking for just uh I'm not even going to see any of the money. The donations go to servers and data links and that kind of thing. The donation is not going to be paying anyone's salary. So we're going to then, and this is an important point I want to make. We're having discussions with serious large pools of capital who are kind of aligned with what we're seeing. It's not a question of if, but when we raise the money

and we will be at the cutting edge of this macroeconomic data. We will be investing as if this is true. We believe it's the vaccines and we will make our clients money on this, okay? This has already happened. It's, and that's our viewpoint and capital's gonna flow to us.

You know, money capital has going to flow to us. You know, money capital has a life of its own. It's a force of nature like gravity, like the oceans, it flows where it wants to flow. And the interest in our hedge fund product, I've never seen before. And that is what I call social proof. People are going to start to look at this and act as if it's true and bet capital. So capital is going to be deployed for these types of realities that we're seeing. And the rest of Wall Street will be still, you know, sleeping at the switch. Switch gears for a second here and put your hedge fund hat on and take this a little further. Drew and I come at this as physicians. When you look at, if you are right, and excess mortality is up the way it is and disability is up the way it is and

birth rates are down the way that we are led to believe that they are, let's look at what that really means long-term, the three-year, five-year, seven-year impact of those sorts of things. I remember back in 2010, the prediction was that one out of every two African-American kids and one out of every three Hispanic kids would develop type 2 diabetes. And I remember being appalled and thinking what that would mean for our healthcare system, those sorts of disabilities, those sorts of drains on the medical system, what that was going to cost and what it means for productivity and on and on. Look through your lens with these decreases in productivity, decreases of people in the workforce due to disability, increases in healthcare costs,

and all these other things. What does that mean in your world in terms of what we're looking at in the next decade? Well, many countries, especially in Europe and China, have hit a demographic wall already. So growth is already challenged globally. This is only going to accelerate those challenges. It's going to lead to continued permanent stagflation where labor is going to be dear and hard to get. It's going to lead to a shortage of services and goods. And that's already occurring in my world. Anecdotally, I had a car that I had to junk. It was only a radiator problem, but it was going to take months and months and months to get the parts. The insurance company decided to cut me a check well above the repairs. This is happening all across the country there's service individuals that aren't available there's a backlog of everything

parts labor and so as a as a macro hedge fund guy I see continued inflation low growth and uh a um services and goods we take for granted they're to disappear. And it's going to become harder and harder to do what we consider normal. It's going to get very interesting and strange over the next five years as a result of what we're seeing. And you don't have to believe us, but we're going to be putting capital to work based on these beliefs. And there are big investors interested in talking to us about this. No, I think you're right. I think people have failed to connect the dots between, quote, supply chain issues and the lockdown, for example. through on manufacturing and that on top of this new data about increased disability rates and death rates and decreased birth rates are going to have really, I think, a profound impact. When

you start talking about an 8% or 10% or 12% decrease in birth rates, I mean, we are messing with something that I don't think we can even begin to get our arms around what that's going to mean. Go back for a minute to your Denmark data. How does that compare directly to the numbers you saw or have been seeing in the U.S.? How does Denmark look compared to the U.S.? Denmark is the outlier. Denmark look compared to the US? Denmark is the outlier. The US, we're still crunching the numbers, but it's up and to the right,

especially amongst younger age cohorts. And older folks, a lot of older deaths were pulled forward in 2020, admittedly. So there's a lot of disparity between the older excess death rates. But what I can say concretely is most assuredly is that excess death is on the rise in the working age group 18 to 64, generally speaking. Okay. I'm really trying to think of, you know, what would be a good ex a good example of someplace

that didn't do this craziness i'm sorry go ahead um sweden didn't have lockdowns they but and their excess death rates were a lot lower you can find that on the website but what's interesting is once the vaccines were introduced their debt excess deaths which were negative actually started to become less negative and rise. So they saw a decrease in a benefit as vaccines were introduced. So the trend is still there. Very interesting. No question.

Yeah, that's super interesting. Go ahead, Drew. I was going to say, have you thought about comparing in the U.S. by state? Is there a non-lockdown a lockdown heavy lockdown states is that something you guys are likely to do uh at some point but again we were like we're trying to look at metadata because we the data in the states unfortunately the data from the states is reported at different times some states are great at reporting some states are not so good so it it's it's kind of it's kind of spotty um That'll have to be done. And again, this humanity website is for all

people to come in and do whatever they want to do and help us. Again, we came at it from all-cause mortality, excess death rates to begin, and there's enough here to show something horrible is going on. One thing I want to comment on Rob said, Rob made a good point. I look at this like the tobacco wars. The way the tobacco companies eventually were found out was through state's attorney general. There were all these individual lawsuits and they're all dismissed by the courts because these individual people couldn't prove causality to tobacco. Correct. They were dismissed, dismissed, dismissed. Then some state's attorney found enough evidence in these individual cases to file a lawsuit. And once the state's

attorney does it, it allows discovery. And that's where I think that's, once discovery begins, it's going to get very interesting. And I encourage a brave state's attorney to at least think about this. This is something that's how we get the ball rolling is the state's attorney general somewhere makes a suit and then discovery happens because that's where all the roaches are hidden in the discovery. Well, I was telling you before that there's been a recent bit of testimony in front of Congress with Anthony Fauci and Rochelle Walensky, where they were claiming that deaths from the vaccine have been grossly overestimated. They claimed falsely, by the way, that anybody who gets vaccinated and dies

after getting vaccinated, regardless of cause, they say, if you get vaccinated and then go out and get hit by a truck, you're going to be classified on the VAERS system as having died from the vaccine. If you get vaccinated and get shot in the chest, you're going to be classified on the VAERS system as having died from the vaccine. That is simply not true. First of all, it is very onerous to even submit something to the VAERS system. There have been study after study reporting that the VAERS system under-reports vaccine injuries by as much as 10 to 100 times. So if people are listening to what they are saying, they're trying to get sort of scrambled

to cover this up by saying that, oh, these aren't actually vaccine deaths. They're people who died of other things. That's not true. During the initial COVID epidemic, there's no question that the COVID deaths were overestimated because hospitals had a perverse financial incentive to report something as a COVID death. So if somebody came in after being hit by a car and incidentally tested positive for COVID, many of them were admitted with a diagnosis of COVID because the hospitals made tens of thousands of dollars for each of those admissions. But the converse is not true. If somebody had a potentially vaccine-related issue that was submitted to VAERS, those should be adjudicated.

And it's very clear if somebody died of a gunshot wound to the chest, they will not be counted as a vaccine death. Absolutely. It's interesting times to spend. Right. Exactly. Is that an Amber Alert, Drew? No, it is. We're having flash floods here. We're building Noah. A student went out to build Noah's Ark in the backyard because it's really, you know, it gets here sometimes. Better that than thesa shutting us down first of all uh the uh the website can be found the humanity project can be found on financetechnologies.com

it's phi uh pi is the uh the binachi number we get the ratio. So that's, that's what we call ourselves, financetechnologies.com. That's P-H-I-N-A-N-C-E-T-E-C-H-N-O-L-O-L-O-G-E-S.com. And you can find all this info. One of the things I'm proud of on this site is we really don't, I mean, again, I have my opinions. Carlos has his, Yuri has his. The only opinion you really see as a statement, you would expect that these excess death rates would go down as natural herd immunity and vaccines are introduced and less virulent strains. And that has not occurred. So at a bare minimum, that's an observation. That should have occurred and it didn't.

So again, if you want to call that a conclusion, that's an observation that should have happened and it didn't. No, I agree with you. If you want to call that a conclusion, that's an observation that should have happened and it didn't. No, I agree with you. And as I said, and I mean that, you know, all cause mortality rates are remarkably similar year over year, independent of things like wars and pandemics. They don't just skyrocket when we have a bad influenza outbreak, or frankly, they didn't skyrocket even in the midst of the initial COVID pandemic with a very severe strain out of Wuhan in 2020. So you're correct. Those are stable rates. Something happened in 21, and it has happened in age groups that you wouldn't anticipate it. And the thing that's most compelling to me is it is

associated with other repositories of data that are reflecting similar worrisome things, including things having to do with birth rates, disability rates, and claims increases, huge increases in claims of certain medical conditions, specifically things related to blood clots, strokes, cardiac issues, infertility, neurologic issues, and so on. So I think when you look at all of those things combined, there's more than just a signal there, Ed. There is an alarm signal that's going off and we need people to listen to it. Have you gotten any, you know, any, what I would call credible pushback or anybody who's made an argument pushing back on your data that you've said, wow, I'm not really sure how to answer that. That's a, you know,

a good point. Is there, are there any holes? In other in other words i'm asking you where are the holes in your data where are the holes in uh in what you're presenting well again you know these are the early criticisms were that and dr drew and i discussed some you know the suicides the missed cancer screening treatments and the um and the drug overdoses and again uh you can see in certain age groups and the temporal spike into the third quarter of 2021 when the mandates were implemented, that argument doesn't hold sense. Now, are those up? Sure. But they don't explain this massive increase in excess mortality across the globe.

It just doesn't, and especially in certain temporal timeframes when vaccines are introduced for children, children tend not to overdose on fentanyl. So there's a whole host of ways I can argue against that. frames when in vaccines room to do is for children children tend not to overdose on fentanyl so there's a whole host of ways i can argue against that the only criticism i did get was early on uh when i first started talking about this and and the uh millennials experiencing a vietnam war apn reuters fact checked me and their comeback was our experts say he's wrong and that was it there was no argument it was just like we talked to so-and-so and experts say he's wrong. And that was it. There was no argument. It was just like, we talked to so-and-so and they said he's wrong. Okay.

Yeah. Well, and what I would say is, well, I absolutely agree. There's no question we had excess deaths related to the fact that people could not avail themselves of healthcare services. Many people missed cancer screenings, mammograms, colonoscopies, that sort of thing. People didn't get follow-up for diabetes. There's no question that there was some increased deaths related to that and no question that we had some increased suicides and substance abuse issues. But there was a corresponding decrease,

as you pointed out, in deaths by trauma from children because they were kept at home. They were not out. There was a massive decrease in vehicular deaths because people were not So I can't say that they equaled out, but you would expect that there were some upticks and some down. So any way you parse the data, there's still an enormous signal with increased all-cause mortality, particularly in the age groups you're talking about. And I think the things that will help us, that will help to really make sense of this, is if we can get some really good data around areas of the world, areas of the country, whatever it is, that do not have high vaccination rates. I'd love to look, for example, in the Hasidic Jewish community, in the Mennonite and Amish communities, which reached herd immunity very, very early on because they are insular communities. They support each other's stores. They rarely go out of those communities. They worship together. They go to school together. They did not lock down

and they didn't get vaccinated. I would like to see what, if you could look at some of these communities and compare their incidents of some of these conditions and see what their death rates were doing over time, I think it might help us to sort of narrow it down and make a better argument that it can't really be anything else. It can't really be global warming. It's really got to be the vaccines. I'm of the opinion, the data in the smoking guns already there with the group life insurance cohort. These are very healthy people and they are experiencing, like I said, in August, 36% excess mortality. This is a disaster. The smoking gun is the us disability data that the employed people are 23% versus the general population and the group life, which is a subset of the employee population.

Very healthy. Uh, they experienced eight point differential in 2021 versus the general population. So something's happening to the employed people of this country in the us and the rest of Europe, there's something going on. the employed people of this country in the U.S. You're there in the U.K., you're there in the rest of Europe. There's something going on. The sudden death, the 27 per year versus 29 per day, that's the data that's still ringing in my head. As is Leonardo of Pisa's Phi.

I'm still thinking about the golden meeting that you named your company after the Fibonacci sequence. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome the physicists did it i was wondering i was sitting here thinking what could the financial meaning of the golden ratio be i'm trying to figure it out but it did it does create a vortex when that's what the same that's what the ratio creates is a vortex and it's interesting that's what we're talking about what's that ed well the golden the golden ratio believe it or not dr drew a lot of um uh trading strategies are uh related to fibonacci numbers and it's it's a natural number

that occurs throughout cycles rhythms growth in nature so it's just it's a number that appears all the time even in finance so that that's why we've taken to it. Kelly, we have to sort of move towards the exit. I'll let you kind of wrap things up, and then I'll finish the show and let you guys go. Yeah. The last question I would ask you before I let you go is I know that you stayed away from getting too political or too accusatory, perhaps is a better word, here today. And I appreciate that because I think it helps people just to look at the data and not make it political. Tell me, in your book, which I'm hoping everyone's going to get out and

read, Cause Unknown, do you have some theories that you actually lay out in the book? Do you point fingers in the book? It was in the book originally. And as every great editor told me, because it's my first book, Gavin DeBecker edited my book, he said, sometimes you have to kill your babies. And we wanted the data to stand on its own. We didn't want to assault anyone's worldview.

The data is the data. We did say and surmise it by saying, at this point, they see what we see. A cover-up is going on, and criminal negligence and malfeasance has occurred. So we just want people to be aware that this is happening. First, is it true? Yes. Why do I think it's the vaccines? If you don't agree with me, why is no one talking about this? Why did the health agencies not talk about this disaster? That's it. So we'll see what happens. It's critically important. And the basis of this show, Ed, was that Drew and I were reminiscing about times past, it was robust, vigorous debate. That was the cornerstone of medicine.

And it seems to be remarkably absent during this pandemic. Not only has debate not been allowed, but it has been actively silenced. And so we are trying to bring back the platform for robust, respectful, vigorous debate. And I really appreciate the work that you guys have done. I'm looking forward to really perusing and playing around on that website, the Humanity Project, and hopefully seeing more and more data as it comes in with the help of others. Because I think that hopefully you've encouraged other people to jump in on this and get involved and bring the data forward so that we can parse it and analyze it and expose it.

So thanks for being here. Thank you. And I was told that – thank you, Dr. Drew. I was told I have enough material for book two. They're trying to pitch me book two, which is the who and the why. But let's just get the first one out and just say this is happening. And that's all i want i i i i i think we i hope you will come back as the data clarifies itself and uh we'll be able to start talking meaningfully with proof what

what's going on here as you said it's it's what's going on why are people rushing to explain it i and it's as you as you've explained you've seen things like this and it's happening on the margins and pretty soon it picks up some steam so hope that's sooner than later because people are getting hurt it's from whatever this is so Kelly thank you as always uh you've got thanks thank you go ahead yeah finish up I just wanted to say you hit it in the nail on the head this is about the marginal tipping point let's get this info out and let's see where the chips fall but we need to get it out and it's not being allowed to get out and that's that I have a problem one yeah Kelly my thoughts no just as a yeah I'm carrying the torch next week in your absence true with Pierre Corey looking forward to

that I will do my darndest to keep the thing going. And then we'll look forward to circling back then after Thanksgiving with everybody. Absolutely. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it today. Ed, you're the best. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you, guys. Take care.

Thank you. Come on, Kelly. Have a good holiday. And now I'm going to bring up my friend Rob Schneider one more time because a couple reasons. I wanted him to have a chance to talk about something else in addition to what we were talking about here today. But again, we will be talking to Tulsi Gabbard on the 25th, which is the Friday after Thanksgiving. God knows what kind of jet lag condition we will be in, Susan, but it's Tulsi Gabbard, so we will do it. Rob, you've got to unmute your mic.

We'll bring Rob Schneider back in here for final thoughts and also to mention his movie Daddy Daughter Trip I want to give him a chance to talk about that and our buddy our buddy uh Jamie Lisso Jamie uh Rob you're muted you got a microphone the lower left hand corner you got to unmute oh boy we did get a super chat too on chester but i can't yeah did you read it did you respond he just was saying thank you hey rob hey buddy i just that was great to hear it's just that it's it's difficult um for doctors and for people in media like ourselves who even pretty steely people to withstand the onslaught of the attacks that occurred. And I just think there has to be some shield in the medical community where people who obviously are well-standing in their fields

can be able to dispute something and talk about it. It always was the case. It was always the case. Why it suddenly went away is really hard to understand. And hopefully we can kind of bring it back. It was so astonishing to me when it all went down. And to your point about silencing well-trained people, there's an article out now that examines who got silenced and who got canceled. And it's all these high-level people academic, you know, unblemished academic

career, 30 years of clinical experience. Those are the ones we chose to crush. That's the part that's even more bizarre than anything else. It is. And it's a lesson learned. And I do think that some of the stuff we need to look at, like one of the things I found to be very interesting was like I started to talk about it was lead gasoline. They knew in the late 1920s that it was increasing the murder rates in urban areas. But it really wasn't until 50 years later in the late 70s when they started to take the lead gas out. So I really do think that there is like it really is when something becomes so ingrained in the as far as it's ingrained in the media, it's ingrained in business, it takes a long time to turn that around. But I will say, though,

if there is a case of fraud that goes out, and I do think that you're going to have some very interesting, potentially interesting hearings in the House if it indeed does switch tonight, there's the potential for that. But you'll see, though, that also the Republicans are very moneyed by the pharmaceutical industry as well. So I don't think that's in their interest to want to expose this. They're just going to want to move on. So we'll see. But these important conversations are necessary. And for the people who shamed us at the New York Times, we should shame him, because everything we said, Drew, you and I, we were right about. Calm down. It doesn't seem to be as infectious to the general population as it seems, and we knew that in March of 2020.

We're jumping to conclusions. So it's a difference, and also the difference with people's reaction as opposed to swine flu. Not everybody had immediate access to the onslaught of social media, which was just that the fear was able just to drive people to act and react in ways that wasn't the same during the swine flu time. Well, listen, I wanted to give you a chance. Is Jamie in your new movie? Yeah, he's in the new one Daddy Daughter Trip and we'll have it out we released it in some cities and it'll come out again in the spring and it's a lot of fun and I'm performing with Adam Sandler

and right now he's just calling me I gotta go downstairs me, David Spade and Nick Swartzen are performing at the Hard Rock and tell some jokes in the free state of Florida so all those guys are friends of mine so please say hi and Sandler Swartzen are performing at the Hard Rock and tell some jokes in the free state of Florida. Florida. So all those guys are friends of mine. So please say hi. And Sandler hired my son for a period of time as a production assistant. But Swartzen, I hadn't seen him for years. Now, wherever I go, I run into Nick. He's a good guy. We love you. We love you, doctor. You've always

put your integrity above the popular popular opinion and we respect you immensely for that and how you put yourself out there and the the good people know and the history will show you've been on the right side of history and you put yourself out there and i really respect you a ton for that rob as always thank you buddy and we'll see we'll see okay it could be wrong i don't know we'll see but i'm interested to find out. If we're right, we've got to get on it. That's the bottom line. It's sort of scandalous to me that we're not rushing to understand this. If indeed that excess death thing is accurate, which please go on that website and analyze it.

Look for yourself. It's really sort of a – what do they call it when everyone goes into one website and works on it together? Open access kind of thing. Couchsourcing. Thank you. And please go do that, everybody. call it when everyone goes into one website and works on it together, the open access kind of thing. Couchsourcing. Thank you. And please go do that, everybody. Let's get to the bottom of this.

Great Rob Schneider, buddy. I appreciate you being here. Love Rob. Yeah. Rob's been a friend for a long time. We were attacked at the beginning, you and Rob. Yeah. We're together.

Just for having a conversation. It was the New York Times about calming down. That's really what we were talking about. Everybody, the panic's not going to help things young people do pretty good sort of what we were saying and um nope nope you have to be crushed for that and so yeah that was a weird time no kidding terrible no kidding but here we are trying to get to the truth and maybe we'll understand why those reactions and it's all coming together slowly but surely i'm starting to understand it so i hope you are too so as we said tulsi gabbard in here uh that's friday the 25th

we'll be away otherwise susan and i kelly will be in here and with caleb holding the ship together she'll be talking to pr cory next wednesday three o'clock pacific time and we're going to be unless we have to float down the freeway to lax did you see that i got an suv instead of the xl because i want big snow did you did you get that alert that said don't drive don't drive yeah well hopefully we'll get off the freeway so we can get there fair enough thanks everybody for being here we'll see you uh see you with pierre quarry next wednesday with kelly it's a week for tomorrow and then us day after thanksgiving with tulsi gabbard. We're still going to be off schedule a little bit in the following week

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