Ask Dr. Drew - Ed Dowd (Former Wall Street Analyst) Exposes Data on Epidemic of “Sudden Deaths” After 2021 w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 199

Episode Date: March 31, 2023

Early in 2021, Ed Dowd noticed a rise of news stories about sudden deaths among fit athletes and other seemingly healthy people. Since then, he’s amassed evidence from the insurance industry, funeral home industry, and government databases showing that excessive deaths among working-age Americans have increased in 2021 versus 2020. His thesis is simple: What changed in 2021? Follow Dowd at https://twitter.com/DowdEdward Read Ed Dowd’s book “Cause Unknown” at https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1510776397 Follow Edward Dowd on Gettr at https://gettr.com/user/edwarddowd Ed Dowd is a founding partner of Phinance Technologies which recently launched The Humanity Project at https://phinancetechnologies.com. Throughout his stock picking career, he utilized pattern recognition to get ahead of his peers and the street before his bullish or bearish thesis became consensus. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org and https://twitter.com/DrKellyVictory. 「 GEAR PROVIDED BY 」 • BLUE MICS - Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue • ELGATO - See how Elgato's lights transformed Dr. Drew's set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/ 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And welcome, everybody. Of course, we have our friend Ed Dow joining us today. Ed has been on the show before. He's a former Wall Street analyst. He's a numbers cruncher, and he's noted some very interesting things, including excess deaths among working-age Americans since 2020 to 2021. He has been continuing to crunch those numbers, and he's going to give us an update today uh reminder that he is founding partner of finance technology p-h-i-a-n-a-n-c-e you can find out more at financetechnologies.com follow ed on twitter d-o-w-d edward uh dowd edward on twitter and getter he has also launched the humanity project uh and uh i just uh my my uh crack wife crack producer and wife have asked me to get some

commentary not on crack not on crack but the exceptionally uh exceptionally capable producer and wife has asked me to get some comments read about uh his financial forecasting as well so we'll get that uh right into the beginning of the program as well yes susan and he is our number one he's our number one viewed uh guest let's get right to it our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopath started this right he was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography btsd love addiction fentanyl and heroin ridiculous five months i'm a doctor for say where the hell you think i learned that i'm just saying you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician.

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avoid them. Good. Well, we tried to block anybody I want. And, and by the way, I think you have the capacity to block people on rumble rumble now. That's good. Everyone's behaving themselves. So let's bring our friend And by the way, I think you have the capacity to block people on Rumble now, too. I do, but I haven't had to. That's good. Everyone's behaving themselves. So let's bring our friend Ed Dowd in. As I said, Ed has been a former Wall Street analyst and BlackRock portfolio manager, and pattern recognition and numbers are his thing. Ed Dowd, welcome.

Hey, Dr. Drew. Thanks for having me back on. Good to be here. So as I promised, before we get into the numbers around COVID and vaccines and sudden deaths and whatnot, give us a little perception, a little taste of what your numbers tell you about the economy and banking. This comes directly from Susan. She's very anxious to hear you.

She relies on your impressions and numbers quite a bit. She's interested in where you are with the economy. Yeah, so my team that has done a lot of the numbers with the vaccine work, we also have our day jobs, which is economic analysis. In August and November of last year, we predicted a recession coming in the first half of this year.

We use early cycle indicators, fundamental economic cycle indicators and they told us that the economy was sliding into a recession- the other thing that we're worried about- is that everyone's talking inflation. We're not thinking deflation

and why do we say that we said that because. The money supply and to. Year over year- rate of change- your your growth went negative in November starting in November of last year. I'm supply, M2, year-over-year rate of change, year-over-year growth went negative starting in November of last year. Not to sound too alarming, but it must be said, this has happened four prior times since 1868.

The last time this happened was 1930. And the other times before 1930 were associated with financial panics. And sure enough, this started in November and Silicon Valley Bank is the first of what I think will be many problems going forward. So the world isn't gonna end, but it's going to get, this recession will be difficult, hard and deep. And I've been recommending to people, don't try to trade this and make money just this is return of capital not return on capital

So I've been recommended if you have money Survive and if you're if you have under the insured amount in a bank, don't worry about it If you have more money than that, you might want to go to money market funds These are short. These are mutual funds with short term duration instruments where they're very safe or if you're even more paranoid you can go to treasury direct and invest in T. bills and roll the

three month T. bill every three months. And wait for the storm to pass. And be like the big boys J. P. Morgan of old. By when there's blood in the streets and that day will come. There'll be a meeting of all the- dignitaries at the Fed, the Treasury, the Senate, the President, and they will be declaring

that the world is ending or scaring us into believing that. And that's when you buy. You buy when everyone's selling. And that day's not here yet. It's coming. Yeah, just a couple of comments on the margin. I mean, it feels like the Fed is not going to stop until there is a recession. I mean, they just seem relentless. It's so obvious. They also seem that in terms of, I think they're trying to contract the money supply after oversupplying money. And so it's not surprising to me that, I mean, just what's coming off the books from these bank failures is just, and that's accelerating. The only scary thing I would say is if there is a real deflationary trend, those are very difficult to stop. Those don't stop easily. And when they do try to stop them, they move fast. So while the

rate increases may be slow, the other direction may be very quick, very, very speedy. Yeah. And one thing people should understand is that there's a little known fact that the Fed does not have as much control over markets as people might believe. They're led by the market and the interest rate forward curve. As of Wednesday, when they made their decision, the federal funds futures curve is predicting for rate cuts. So what what the bond market is saying is that the Fed's going to have to cut soon. If the Fed continues to raise, I would suggest that that's a problem and they're going to make the recession harder and deeper. So they're going to break stuff. They're going to

break stuff. And I never, you know, the two-year fell apart. And in the face of that, he literally said the bond market is wrong. I've never seen a Fed chairman say something like that. Is that just me or did that strike your ear also? That struck my ear because the market is the collective wisdom of everybody. And that's where the best way out. Rarely wrong. It's rarely wrong. And a lot of my predictions that I make are based off market signals and asset classes.

I'm not just pulling stuff out of thin air. And so we had economic numbers going down and then the asset markets lined up. So, you know, look, if this thing was to get bullish, I would come in here and pull a 180. But right now I don't see anything but deflation and economic downturn ahead for the time being. So let's switch that skill set over to what you're seeing now in the aftermath of covid um i'm going to ask you to hold off on presenting your um loss of work data until kelly gets in here i want to give her a crack at that but i i have a couple of other sort of sort of general questions or comments because i've've noticed, I've been listening to your numbers very

carefully, and I've been very worried about what is vaccine, what is vaccine and COVID, what is COVID, and I still don't see anybody asking those questions, but I do see a campaign, it seems a systematic campaign, to show data on COVID's impact on health long term. Are you noticing that same, that same trend? Yes. And, uh, look, as I said, when I first started talking to you guys, we didn't get down into the, is it COVID, not COVID vaccine, we just count ones and zeros and there's big giant signals there.

And at the time I first came on your show, you were very brave. The idea of discussing the vaccine wasn't really considered cool. Well, now the good news is because of shows like yours, that subject is now, we're able to ask questions now. So I'm very grateful to you and others that like allowed us to start to get this conversation. Now we can debate all day long what it is. I'm a, as

as the data rolls out, you know, me and my team and I and finance technologies are more than 150% convinced the vaccine is causing the majority of the signal we're seeing. Are there, are there some suicides in there? Sure. Are there some fentanyl deaths? Sure. But not enough to cause these types of indicators to go off the rails in the different data sets we're looking at, group life insurance, disabilities. And now the data I'll present to you a little later with Kelly. So what I do is called the analyst mosaic. We have a thesis and we make calls before all the information is available. And I'm sure over time, the doctors with their scientific studies will map out the

pathologies that are causing what we're seeing in these big signals. Is your sort of data being more readily received? You said we at least ask these questions. Are you able to sort of get you know get into a conversation that people with people that may have been completely shut off to the idea before yeah so what i'm again you and i have talked about this on your show before i shouldn't exist as a as a as a person on the scene because this should have been stopped long ago but i've noticed my social media metrics are starting to go off the hook.

And I think that's an indication of an awareness and a willingness to look at my data. And I noticed that the population of people coming into my social media, my LinkedIn messaging me are from all walks of life, blue, red, different races. It's not, there's no longer just what I used to call the red meat crowd who are suspicious of this from the get go, the word is spreading, which is very good. And again, let's get this conversation on the table.

Yeah, I have a really kind of just this is a complete sidebar in a weird way but maybe it makes sense to you in the context what we're talking about excuse me which is i found it exceedingly odd during the congressional um congressional uh testimony by the moderna representatives i think it was last week might have been earlier this earlier this week, where the usual gadflies were there asking about pricing on the vaccine. And the Moderna, I think it was actually Bernie who asked about the vaccine price. And the Moderna executive's response was, well, we've increased the price to $130 per vaccine because nobody wants it. I am certainly no economic expert, but I thought decreased demand led to decreased pricing. Am I missing something there, or is there inelasticity in medical products? What struck me was what caused him to say that with such confidence,

as though it was obvious why he was increasing the prices. Well, you're correct in normal economic theory, when demand goes down, you lower price to increase the units sold. So what does this say to me? What it says to me is he's raising the price to sell it to those who are still compelled to take it through whatever mandates are left at colleges, uh, you know, first responders, wherever. So he's gouging those who are still under the color of law to take.

So literally this is not good, Dr. Drew. This is kind of evil in my humble opinion. So it caught your ear too, because it jumped out at me and I thought nobody's going to follow up on that. That's kind of striking. It's kind of odd that nobody asked the question. Just one question.

Don't prices go down when demand is down? So this is the kind of stuff that you end up screaming at your television about when you're watching congressional testimony. Was there anything in the recent testimony that caught your ear beyond that? Yeah. was there anything in the recent testimony that caught your beyond beyond that yeah so he was being uh senator rand paul was asking about myocarditis in the very young age group 16 to 24 i think and uh his answer was that uh it's actually there's a study or he didn't name the study he said some study proved that the vaccinated get less myocarditis than the unvaccinated. Senator Rand Paul said that that's a complete lie. And then he said no.

And then Senator Rand Paul said, I talked to your president offline earlier and he said he definitely agreed with me that yes, the vaccinated are getting myocarditis in that age group more than the unvaccinated. So he lied to the senator and then he also contradicted his own president at his firm. And I want to give a little color that I know about Bansal, the CEO of Moderna.

There are good venture capitalists out there that invest with good people and one venture capitalist had the opportunity to years ago before Moderna arrived on the scene with the stock scene. To invest with Mr. Bansal. And I'm not

gonna name this VC but the comment was we passed on it because we couldn't get over the fact that the CEO was a pathological liar. That was their decision not to go with Moderna in the initial rounds of financing. I find that quite interesting.

And that seems to have been borne out by the congressional testimony. And that was the CEO who was before Congress while the president was the one who seemed to be more forthcoming. Is that accurate? Uh, our forthcoming offline with Senator Rand Paul. Yes. Right. Right. I just wanna make sure I get the players right here. Yeah. Always so uplifting to hear these stories. My goodness.

All right. Uh, before we bring Kelly in here, anything else that I should be sort of, uh, scrounging around into anything new that you're thinking, anything that you've seen again, then in this sort of this more qualitative area of people shutting people down who raise issues, people lying before Congress, things that are sort of, any pieces of the puzzle coming together for you

in terms of how we got here? How we got here is still, again, the who and the why. We're gonna have to adjudicate that, and that's above my pay grade. But it seems to me there was a conspiracy of interest and they all saw money grab. You don't have to imagine, again, a bunch of evil men in the room drinking scotch, smoking cigars. The momentum was unleashed and then it just went and it built and the roller coaster just started snowballing.

The snowball started going down and then yeah, mountain and turned into a boulder. And so we can start there. There may be some really evil people involved, but let's, we don't even need to go there. I think this just was a conspiracy of interest, you know, and it just got, and a lot of things went off the rails. Speaker 1 Are you looking at international data at all? Because there are several, many countries are pushing back considerably on young people taking the vaccine. And you know I've always taken the position that I see the risk-reward in people over 60, 65.

I've never seen it in the younger group. Even though I just interviewed a UK woman last week who had some compelling data around pregnancies and pregnancy outcomes. And of course, there's alternative data out there as well. So it's still hard to get your head around what's actually going on, but certainly many countries are pulling back aggressively. Have you looked at any of that? Yeah.

Yeah. So at the Humanity Project, we've analyzed all of the European excess deaths out of the UK, Germany. So what, and I think, I believe on your show, we actually broke the Denmark data, which was extremely bad. They had excess deaths every year going up in every age cohort. So 22 was above 21, 21 was above 20 in terms of excess deaths age every age cohort so 22 was above 21 21 was above 20 in terms of excess deaths and every age cohort they came out and basically

effectively banned the vaccine for under 50 there's some wording around it but they're not offering it booster the boosters anymore and the UK apparently as well it's doing the same thing. So there's now this beginning. And again, look, will we ever get a government to come out and say, yes, this was a mistake? I doubt it. I think this is more of what we're going to see is this slow, I call it the Homer Simpson back into the hedgerow meme thing where they just try to walk out of this as gingerly as they can

that's that's kind of i think where we are yeah i i don't know that people are going to let them off the hook quite that easily especially since there are some really serious vaccine injuries out there and people kind of know some of that i know it's going to be very interesting as this unravels i i certainly see been watching what's going on in the interesting as this unravels. I certainly see, been watching what's going on in the UK, and there they're having great difficulty sort of stepping forward with any kind of clarity. I don't know. I've seen some very odd footage of some of the testimony in the parliament, and I just don't, I don't know. I hope it's not sinister. As you say, I hope it's just a,

Oh, there, there's Homer. All right. There it is. So it certainly seems like it. So with that Homer mean, let's take a little break and bring Dr.

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It is the mandate, public health, to consider the impact of any particular mitigation scheme on the entire population. This is uncharted territory, Drew. Dr. Kelly Victory, our friend Ed Dowd. Hey, Ed. So happy to have you back. I always look forward to these conversations with you. Before I delve into the weeds on some of the new data and some of the bombshell stuff that we've gotten from these recent FOIA requests. I want to at

least comment on Drew's question about that congressional hearing earlier this week. Yeah, Stephen Bancel, the CEO of Moderna, I think said the quiet part out loud, and I think Ed's exactly right. This is all money to them. They did the math. They said we can either sell 100 vaccines for a buck a piece, or we could sell one vaccine for a dollar a piece, doesn't really matter to us. And they have over all those people who are stuck under the thumb of different mandates, whether it's a university or an employer. And I think it's despicable. On top of that, yes, he refused to acknowledge what the president of Moderna said apparently in private to Rand Paul, which is, yes, we acknowledge and that we knew that these vaccines would cause increased incidence of myocarditis. We don't dispute it. And Rand Paul called him out on that and said, you know, the fact that you are not willing to say this in public is really, really despicable as well. And then the last thing that came out of it

I thought that was interesting was that Bancel acknowledged paying $400 million to the NIH for their portion, their proceeds of the patent that the NIH owns in conjunction with Moderna. And he asked specifically, Rand Paul asked specifically to Bancel, do you think that a $400 million payment to the people who are responsible for

determining how many of us need to take these vaccines, how often, do you think that could be a conflict of interest since they make money off of the very vaccines? And Van Zyl says, the government will need to opine on that. I mean, it was just, talk about a spineless wonder. That was the guy. So really, really bad. Anyway, so Ed, before we came on, we're all talking about, I made the comment, and I really mean it, that in some ironic way, the fact that you are not a scientist, not a physician, I think has brought you an element of credibility in this discussion. As you said, prior to COVID, these are the kinds of robust, vigorous debates and due diligence and investigation that physicians would have into the data.

But that was not allowed for a variety of reasons during COVID. So here you come along, a guy who's really expert at looking at patterns and numbers and not a scientist at all. You bring this and you have become a sensation and frankly, a godsend to this entire debacle. Because without your numbers, I'm not sure that people would be paying attention. And some of you and I have discussed it between these shows, the number of hits that you've gotten, the amount of viral, the viral nature of these shows. And so I do think there's a chink in the cognitive dissonance armor and that people are listening. And I think what you're doing is critical. So dive in, if you will, start with where we left off in the previous discussions. What are you seeing next? What

are you following in the most recent crunching of event data. Yeah, so thank you for those comments. The team and I are currently doing all this pro bono. There's no one funding us. We have no master, pay masters to please. So, and we haven't even set up our hedge fund yet. We kind of did that on purpose because we didn't want anybody to say that we were directed by dark forces or

money. This is all free. And it needed to be done. It needed to be done because it seems the regulators don't want to do it. And that's why we, in the Humanity Project, in our mission statement, say we declare ourselves the watchdog of the watchdogs. I know that sounds arrogant, but this is where we are. So what's the new data?

The new data is, so there's three buckets that we've examined. The first bucket was excess deaths. I've also come on your show and talked about disabilities. There's a third bucket called vaccine injured. And that is, we were able to express those numbers through the US Bureau of Labor Statistics absence rates and work time lost. And next week, we're gonna put out, we're gonna wrap all of these pieces together,

tie it all together. We got the vaccine damage report. We're gonna put numbers, human cost, the numbers, which is probably low, and the dollar amount that it's cost the economy. I'll give you a little preview in the numbers after I present this data. But you could go to chart one. Let's just leave that up while I speak to it. Chart one is absence data. It's yearly. It's annualized data. So it doesn't

happen every month. But we did get the 2022 in the books what absence data is is it records an instance where and these are full-time employees ages 25 through 54 just so we know what we're looking at what what what what population so full-time 35 hours or more absence and it records the incidence of one absence so the absence is seven seven days, that's counted as one. If it's two days, it's counted as one. So it's a unit of one. That number went up three standard deviations off of trend. And the trend we tracked was from 2002 to 2019. So that established trend line.

And you can see there, it's been pretty steady bouncing around. Three standard deviations is still a big deal, but you could make the case that happened in 2020. There were lockdowns, there was confusion, people had to scramble with school and all sorts of things. So that makes sense to us. What doesn't make sense is that in 2021, it persisted and went to five standard deviations. What makes absolutely no sense is the absence rate took off in 2022. And you can see the slope of the line, the rate of change accelerated to the upside in 2022.

And that standard deviation was 11. That's just off the charts. Remember, a three standard deviation is once in a 200 year flood, as by. The you know the insurance. CEO Scott Davison and when he spoke about excess deaths three standard deviations in my world is a big deal in the finance world it happens point zero three percent of the time. So twenty twenty.

Was the deviation. And that was a big deal but twenty twenty two is off the charts and this the persistence of trend that really bothers us. Now, I want to show you the next chart, chart two. And scroll, yeah, there you go. So that's the absence rate increase year over year. So you can see it's gone up steadily about twenty eight percent- in twenty twenty two

and you can see it took a- magnitude leap higher in twenty twenty two. So let's go to chart number three now and we can now quantify this a little better this is this is work time. Data this is hours lost so this is the number of

hours lost. Perhaps since. And you can see that in 2020 and 2021, it was seven and a half standard deviations, which, you know, again, 2020, you can make a case for that. 2021, with the introduction of the vaccines, it should have improved, but it went higher. But 2022 is really where it went 13 standard deviations off the rails. And again, three standard deviations is pretty rare. 13 is unheard of. So what is going on to cause this work time loss to be accelerated in 2022? We surmise, given our work in excess deaths and disabilities, that it's again, the vaccines. Again, we're not doctors,

but what we're hearing anecdotally and what we've seen in the literature is that this vaccine may compromise the immune system. And if so, it seems it's accelerated in 2022 with our workforce being constantly sick and calling in sick and missing work. So this has, these are not disabled, these are injured. So this is what we think is a big, big deal.

And it's a problem. And it affects the productivity of the economy, in addition to the disabled and dead. This is lost productivity. And also when you're not feeling well a lot, your cognitive abilities go down, and then the people around you that aren't well have to pick up your slack, and it causes burnout in those individuals as well. So this has knock-on effects we can't even quantify. And if I was a member of the CDC, I would say, hey, maybe the pandemic is in 2022, not 2020, statistically, because this is insane.

Something's going on with our workforce that we've never seen before, and it's gone so far above trend. It's a health concern. And again, I'll say this, I believe this is a vaccine. If it's not, it needs to be talked about and investigated because this is off the rails i'll stop i would argue that that's the that's the thing that's bothering me so much which is that you came on before and talked about excess deaths you've got guys like john campbell you know rattling the cage in the uk and you see excess deaths brought up here and there in in the parliament and in the, in the Congress. No, no. All I see is the data rolling downstream about post COVID. It still doesn't explain excess death.

No, no. And it seems as though no one is even systematically asking the question. Is it possible that no one is because of the possibility of vaccine involvement, perhaps in it that they have to be Homer Simpson pulling into the hedge. Is that what's preventing them from asking it systematically or somebody asking it systematically? There's just data is not coming forth yet.

I have not heard anybody talk about these numbers and talk about the, the disability numbers and the injury numbers taken together. The disability in the, I'll give together, the disability in the U.S. I'll give some previews for next week's report. So there's about 1.36 million disabled people in the workforce. And the injuries I just talked about is about 13.3 million. These are big numbers. So excess deaths are tragic.

They're smaller. This is large. There's a large amount of numbers here, about 5% of the total population, higher if you look at the civilian labor force, about 10% of the civilian labor force. So this is something that I would suspect our institutions would be buzzing about and investigating and trying to figure out, because these numbers just look horrific to me as an analyst. And I would have thought there'd be some public health official screaming from the rooftops, it's crickets.

I mean, it's crickets as far as I can tell. And there's talk of long COVID, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of funding for long COVID at the moment. I mean, if long COVID is causing this, there should be billions looking into it right now. Well, and I think that the numbers continuing to go up in 2022, that's not what we're seeing with the trajectory of long COVID. Over time, those symptoms tend to

get better. And so you should see a decrease in those numbers, not a continued increase. Secondly, you rightly point out, this is an area I know a lot about. I was the chief medical officer of quite a few Fortune 100 companies, and disability and absence numbers are critical. The presenteeism, what we call presenteeism, the number of people who go to work, but who are not working at full functioning is massive. When you have absentee numbers that are that high, I guarantee the presenteeism numbers, the people who show up at work but are functioning 30% under their norm is massive. And the financial impact to that, to a company, is huge.

In other words, how many additional guys do you need to put on the line at Nissan to make up for the one guy who's working at less capacity, the error rates, and so those sorts of things. This is huge in terms of the financial impact to a company. Also, I think with regard to we need to look now at what is it, you know, you're saying there was nobody looking at this. We now know from this recently released data from the, or excuse me, documents from the CDC, that not only does the CDC know about this, they anticipated it prior to the rollout of the vaccines. They actually anticipated such a significant increase in adverse events from this vaccine that they hired an outside firm, General Dynamics, to manage the increase in data.

They anticipated a thousand adverse events a day back in December before the vaccines were even rolled out. By January, back when most people had not taken a vaccine, by January, their own estimations of 1,000 adverse events a day were so off. They were having 4,500 a day. So many that General Dynamics said, we can't meet our contractual obligation to look at these, parse the data the general dynamics said, we can't meet our contractual obligation to look at these,

parse the data the way we said we would, because they're four and a half times more than you had anticipated, CDC. Yet they kept all of this from the public. I mean, these numbers actually, I think, Ed, give absolute, they validate what you are finding in your numbers and I'd love to just show the last chart chart for because this is This is stark chart for shows that work time lost is 50% higher than this is versus 2019 so you could see 2020 2021 work hours loss it jumped 50 to 50 percent above 2019 and 2022 so

again whatever's going on is accelerating in 2022 with a um a virus that is now nothing more than a cold and supposedly miracle vaccine so you know again i want to comment on that yeah that's that's what i find interesting right now and kelly i was wondering if you have seen this, too. I've seen a concerted effort in the literature and in the public conversation to make people there's things that I keep hearing in the public conversation, in the literature that don't fit my clinical experience at all. One is Omicron is as bad as every other thing. Kids are in the ICU, pregnancies are, pregnant women are dying, old people. I mean, at the very minimum, we live in

the day of Paxlovid, which is, I would claim, helping things out a lot. And certainly, I think Pfizer would agree with that. People could argue about that. But at very minimum, we have that. Omicron is a totally different illness, and so much of this long COVID and data about disability around having had COVID was really hearkening back to Alpha and Delta, but they're trying to conflate it all. It's really kind of uncanny. So I'm seeing conflation of Omicron with Alpha and Delta, and I'm seeing such rosy reports on the vaccine, it also doesn't fit my experience where you see vaccine, there is vaccine injury. It happens pretty commonly,

but you don't see that being discussed. Are you noticing those two trends as well? Absolutely. I'm noticing those trends. Absolutely. And again, this this data this 50 rise in 2022 kind of blows what you just this conf conflagration or conflation yeah the conflation of omicron yeah sorry i i got tongue twisted this conflation uh is is definitely something that is very disturbing to me. And the numbers don't lend credence to this conflation at all. I can tell you, from a clinical perspective, I have not had a patient or known of a patient from my colleagues that we would have even recommend treatment with any of the vast number of treatment options that we have at hand,

whether it's ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, steroids, nothing. Every single patient who I have seen in the past year with COVID has been treated successfully with over-the-counter medications like ibuprofen, some robitussin if they've got a cough, decongestants, nothing. These people have needed almost no treatment. They certainly haven't been hospitalized yes that that version of omicron is what went through our household in fact but but i have jordan get delta though and then he was sick but he was like i stayed in the pool house for two years and got this cold this is what i did this yeah he he got the delta on the time i did but

but but but it was my i. Just, just to full transparency. I have seen a case in an unvaccinated man that it was in the time of Omicron and it was nasty. I almost had trouble believing it was Omicron. I kept thinking because not everything is Omicron. There is still alpha and Delta flying around here, here and there. This guy had a nasty illness and it didn't feel like Omicron, but maybe it was. So the point is maybe occasionally, but my experience predominantly has been the same as

yours. The other thing is, and I would say, and you can weigh in on this, Ed, is that, you know, I think that many, many of these cases that they're even calling COVID are not actually COVID. For all you know, Drew, the guy who you're talking about had a positive PCR test, which is absolutely useless and had something else. One of the other myriad respiratory viruses that go out there. He had pulmonary emboli. He had, he had cytokine activation. He had a pulmonary emboli. He had something that looked like alpha, frankly, but, but maybe it was, it might have been alpha you know who knows who knows maybe it was influenza yeah did we lose ed here are we i just okay did what happened there i see is a yeah but let's talk about this for a second i mean the the but the just the fact that there is the occasional

severe omicron or alpha that creeps in and by by the way, the big problem I had with that case, it was when Paxlovid was not being distributed. You remember? Paxlovid was being handed out the way vaccine was handed out initially. You had to meet certain criteria to have access to Paxlovid. I don't know if you remember that. And that went on for a few months where people like this guy, he could have been kept out of the hospital and said he's in with

cytokine storm and pulmonary emboli because why? He didn't check the right boxes. It was disgusting. And so even he, with his moderate severe illness, could have been prevented, would be potentially prevented in today's world. So yeah. And again, we can- But the reality is, you may have a case here or there of somebody having severe illness, just like you can with influenza. But Ed's numbers are compelling because, number one, I just find it interesting that they match with what the CDC had anticipated. As I said, the CDC anticipated, get your arms around this. Before the vaccines were rolled out, they hire an independent contractor to manage what they anticipate is the massive increase in reports of adverse events. They were predicting a thousand a day, 40% of which they anticipated would be serious. And by the way, if they, if, if, well,

let's, let's think about it this way. If they had been forthcoming, look, they rushed this thing to market. It was an emergency. They were willing to take risks they wouldn't otherwise take. Be honest about that. Hey, just don't hide that fact. Be honest about it. And then by the way, now let's do the work to get the vaccine safety underway.

And I don't know if you heard any of what we were talking about here, but we were again, trying to, you know, more fully understand your, your data. Is there, let me ask this kind of silly question, I think, but I just got to put it out on the table. We have this, um, weird, you know, trend going on where people don't want to return to work and people are sort of, it's almost like they have, you know, blew out, you know out you know they sort of sick out themselves particularly younger people were you seeing it more is was there any age you know i'm trying to figure out whether there was an impact of lockdown and people's general depression and difficulty working right now which seems i keep hearing about as a real thing well i'm not going to say that isn't part of it but 13 standard

deviations is insane i mean it's a it's a black swan right that's what you call that black swan right yeah that's a black swan so let's assume let's pretend we didn't have a vaccine the country would be talking about this every manager around the globe would be like i can't hire anybody and the people that show up craziness yes yeah that they're not talking about this is the craziness right it is yeah i mean i don't know what's going on in the world i work i work you know in small entrepreneurial company now but if i was at blackrock and i was a manager i'd be saying why can't people show up to work what What's going on? I'd be asking the question. Ed, are you talking to the actual insurers, you know, that there are disability insurers, life, you know, life insurance insurers? What are you hearing from those guys?

So the good news, I want to talk about Josh Sterling. He was the gentleman who worked with me early on from Sanford Bernstein Insurance Analyst for seven years. He's formed a nonprofit called the Insurance Collaboration to Save Lives. And he has 40 executives from around the insurance industry. He just got an article in the AM Best to talk about it. They're gonna explore everything that's going on because it is a crisis and they're not naming the vaccine, but they're saying we're not leaving

any stone unturned. It's to get as many people under the umbrella as possible. And after this article, he's now having more insurance executives reach out. So what I suspect is going on is the denial is dissipating. And my whistleblower that has been with me the whole time, that's in the insurance industry, that's a chief actuary, this person is finally saying light is starting to dawn on some people's heads there. And there's internal discussion. So the good news is the insurance industry is waking up quick, which, I mean, they have to.

I mean, these are the people that need to sue the pharmaceutical industry, in my opinion. Yeah, one of the things, the questions that I got asked a lot early on, and I don't have a good answer to it, is, you know, if they determine that these are vaccine-induced injuries, is there any change in the liability for the health insurer or the life insurer or the disability insurer to actually pay out on these things? How does that work? How does that work? I think they need to pay out. I don't think they can get a legal loophole, the insurance companies, but if it's ever determined that there was fraud

in the clinical trials, then that might put the insurance industry against the pharmaceutical industry. Again, I believe personally there's clinical trial fraud, but that's a whole other can of worms. I'm just counting the ones and zeros, but if fraud can be proven, clinical trial fraud, but that's a whole other can of worms. I'm just counting the ones and zeros. But if fraud can be proven, then their immunity goes the way of the dodo bird because fraud vitiates all contracts. Well, that's been my stance exactly. And I agree with you. I think

that there's unassailable evidence of clinical trial fraud and that they had information that they withheld, specifically withheld from the advisory committees, for example, even just the acknowledgement of the CDC that they were anticipating a massive increase in daily reporting of adverse events from these things. And they acknowledged that they expected 40% of them to be serious. You're talking about they were anticipating 400 serious events a day. And what actually happened blew their expectations out of the water. But I do think if you could prove fraud, then yeah, it changes the onus of responsibility perhaps to the pharmaceutical companies. But I wasn't sure how the life insurers were freaking out when it first occurred that there was a 40% increase in mortality in these people. What's going on?

Are these disability insurers even able to stay afloat? Are they solvent? With group life, that's where it showed up first. Group life has much shorter accounting duration. Group life policies got hit. What did they do before they... They were still in the dark about potential causes. They just raised prices. They priced through this issue, which has an economic impact on all the rest of us in their whole life policies, which are much bigger face amounts. You know, these are people who get $10 million insurance policies. They have not changed their long term mortality assumptions yet. They're still banking on excess deaths turning back towards zero. If that doesn't happen in several quarters, maybe a year,

huge underwriting losses are coming. They have to basically reserve against future losses and that'll hit them. So look, the problem with this is there's knock-on effects for everybody. This is gonna cost every business more in premiums they have to pay to insurance companies across the board. And it's a hit.

I mean, insurance is necessary, but it's also can be a drag on the economy. Insurance rates double to get health insurance, disability insurance. This is a nightmare for the common man, the middle American wage earner. It's not good. LESLIE KENDRICK Yeah. the common man, the middle American wage earner. It's not good. Yeah. Well, I think that if we are right, and you know that I've been predicting this massive increase, not only in autoimmune issues, but specifically cancers as a result of immune suppression, it's going to put an unbelievable drain on the healthcare system in general at a time when we've had unprecedented numbers of healthcare workers leaving the workforce, either by choice or because they've become

disabled. I mean, the whole thing together, it is a perfect storm for a disaster, not only for the insurance companies, but for the system as a whole. Have you gotten any traction or have you been working with anybody in Congress, whether it's a Rand Paul or a Ron Johnson or anybody who's willing to look at your data? Are you talking with those guys about the data? I know many of them undoubtedly follow you, you know, on whether it's social media or other appearances, but have you had any real, you know, in the trench communication with them?

The only one I've had in the trench communication with, with Senator Ron Johnson, the sad news is he has, the Senate's not in power. So the power resides in the house and there is a COVID congressional committee being formed. I've been told Marjorie Taylor Greene is the person I've been at. I've asked people to get me in touch with her so I can talk to her. And I'll talk to anybody that wants to have me. I'll fly to Washington, D.C. I'll present the data and do what I can. But no one's called me. And I'm doing the best I can to get the word out, getting as many media outlets as possible to just make people aware of what I think is going on.

Because as I said, and I really mean this, I think... Go ahead, finish your thought, but then I want to ask that something. I was just going to say, I think the fact that you're not a physician, that you're not a scientist, that you're simply saying, here are the numbers and the numbers don't lie. Here are the numbers and you are obligated to come up with some explanation for these numbers. You know, I have my thoughts about what they could be, but you are obligated to address this. This is a crisis of unprecedented, you know, proportions and it needs to be addressed. So the idea that Congress is an all over this like white on rice

is beyond. Isn't that weird you it's so weird but again I have so many times during this pandemic I'm going what how that's so it's insane what how is this possible this is another one of those moments but Ed you do you have any updates for us on your original data you had I know Kelly asking about the insurance uh situation made me think about some of the things you were originally reporting to us from funeral homes and life insurance and actuarial data. Is there anything new? Has anything changed there? Because I've actually checked in with – I'm not finding anecdotal stuff on the funeral homes and the autopsy reports and things.

What are you getting on your numbers? I'll give you some color. So my insurance actuary who sees the society of actuary numbers gave me a heads up. So the last numbers we had was as of the second quarter of 2022, let's focus on group, again, this is group life millennials 25 through 44. They were running at around 23% excess mortality, which is still horrific.

I'm being told that the third quarter is 23%. You're young people. Young people. Yeah. Yeah. I'm being told the fourth quarter accelerated. And we don't have the final numbers in, but it looks like the fourth quarter is going to be up. And apparently the month of December was way worse than the month of November and October. And then she told me that January was worse than December and February

is worse than January. But the good news is, the good news is March seems to be improving. So what I suspect is going on is there is some seasonality associated with this, but that has to do with the immune system being compromised during winter flu season. So again, young people shouldn't be dying at this rate. I mean, 25 through 44 in-group life policy holders because they are working at Fortune 500, mid-sized companies,

and the Society of Actuaries has proven that this cohort, ages 25 through 64, die at one-third the mortality of the general US population. So this shouldn't be happening. These are the elite of the elite, the most healthiest, best access to healthcare. That's one of my big theories of the case here is that the employed of our country have had worse health outcomes than the, the overall population,

which doesn't happen because of mandates because of mandates and vaccines. So that's my thesis. So typically speaking before 2021, if you're part of the civilian labor force and the employed labor force, your health is generally better than the overall general population. That makes sense. So, but this inverted in 21 and 22, and it makes no sense to me. One of the things I think is interesting, and you were talking about it before I came on,

is that other countries, and now most recently Australia, whose take on this was get vaccinated or off with your head until just recently. And now they've done a 180 and are no longer recommending boosters for healthy people under the age of 60, not just little kids. They are scrambling to get on the right side of history from what I can tell. Including pregnant women, which is interesting. Yeah. Do you have a theory, Ed, for why is it that the United States and Canada just won't pick up the clue phone? It's ringing away and they just won't pick it up. Other countries are retrenching on their band-aids. And let me pile on that, Kelly. And some of the countries that are pulling back are ones that were sort of bellwethers for the American sort of, you know, the Danish and the Swedish and the Australian. Well, that's what I'm saying.

These are people that were pointing at. Look what they're doing. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. The Australians were all in. So do you have a theory for what's going on there? Well, I will echo what you said. Carlos and Yuri are from Portugal. And when we started seeing the countries pulling back,

they said, Ed, usually the US leads, why are they lagging? And I think that's because Pfizer and Moderna are US companies and we push these vaccines so hard. And there seems to be a linkage between the government, the DOD and these companies. So that's one theory. Why is Canada doing it? Well, Canada, I'm going to make a joke about Canada.

They seem to be a third world country at the moment. They can't even count the number of dead. Their death data is months behind. So this is banana republic stuff going on in Canada. And that's all I'll say about Canada. I love my Canadian friends, but your government, there's something going on there. Yeah, I agree with that. I say the same thing to my Canadian friends, but your government, there's something going on there. Yeah, I agree with that. I say the same thing to my Canadian friends.

I love you guys, but how the heck could you have voted for what you got there? What's next on your, what are you focusing on now? Is it just watching more data rolling in or is there another way? Is there another thing that would be yet a way to look at this other than disability and death data? What else are you looking at? Well, so this is what we're looking at now. We're going to maybe look at other databases as they come. I'm going to be having a discussion with a company that has a database that if the numbers are good, we might get a little more granular. We stayed away from, you know, different instances of how it presents itself because that's just, again, we're not doctors.

But if we get some other databases, we'll look at that. We're also, again, next week, we're going to drop the economic numbers on this. We're going to show the actual damage that can be associated from what we believe is the vaccine, the cost to the economy. And if it's not the vaccine, the cost of the ongoing pandemic. Because whatever people say about this pandemic, these numbers suggest it never ended. It's getting worse. How's that for a way to reframe this debate? The numbers are worse now than they were in 2020. So why are we in emergency lockdown right now? That's a question I'd like to

ask the Congress and the CDC and NIH, because these numbers are worse than 2020. Oh, God, don't give them any ideas. They'll probably take us next thing you know. But that's the reality. And I think a lot of people don't connect the dots, interestingly, between what we're seeing economically and the lockdown. People don't understand that the vast majority of issues we're having with supply chain are a direct result of the lockdown. And I think that we're paying the price for that. Yeah. And this is tragic. And I would love to go before Congress and testify. I mean, I'm willing to do it. And I'll take all the slings and arrows that come my way because I'm just the numbers guy and I have no skin in this game. We've all done this for free. So if I'm

wrong, prove me wrong. But, you know, I'm again,, if I was, if this was a stock, I'd be up to my eyeballs. This would be the biggest position in my portfolio. That's how right I think I am. No, I, well, obviously I think you are as well. When you spoke with Ron Johnson, was he willing to, to, uh, make an, you know, an introduction to get you, you need to be in front of Congress. Yeah, no, I'm in contact with him and he's a great guy. He's been on the vanguard of this. But again, he's in the Senate and I need someone from Congress to reach out to me, the House. Yeah. Can I, we have a lot of hands up here. We're going to ask questions. So I'm going

to try to bring somebody up. If you guys are up for that, uh, this is Timothy and see if he wants what he wants to come. And we love Ron Johnson too. He's been on the show with, with us too. So I agree. He's been a real, a real warrior. Timothy, just unmute that mic. Your hand is up on the lower left corner and you're up there you go Timothy what's going on thank you I appreciate you taking my call I was thinking the other day Twitter space is like the new uh radio host uh call very similar it's very similar and it's um and yet weirdly different it's all weirdly different but it is the same idea, that's for sure. Sure. I'll try to be brief.

So I work in the Bay Area in biotech, so the following isn't my area of, you know, Ed's comments about missing work or ability to do one's work well, in 2022 compared to 2018 and 19 averaged, there were 272% more general emergencies. Now those may not all be medical, but that's a bit concerning. And it's actually not getting better, but getting worse so far in 2023. These emergencies are the squawk 7700. So anyway, I just wanted to put that out there in terms of, you know, just do the, it makes me wonder about. It makes you wonder, Tim. And Tim, there was a recent Southwest pilot that had some sort of cardiac event uh you know during flight several yeah yeah and we hear these things a lot of these things now and again you know i the literature is starting to make the case that this is all post-coveted but i doesn't pass the sniff test of what everyone is seeing clinically it's just

sort of it certainly could be both, vaccine and COVID. Very hard to tease these things out right now. But I agree with you. And certainly, Kelly, you remember we talked with, I'm blanking on her name right now, that had the military data. Certainly it was born out there. Teresa. Teresa Long, who said that on any given day,

she had to ground 100% of the pilot patients she saw for vaccine-related, which she presumed were vaccine-related issues. And she was clear. Yeah. Well, it was pretty clear it was vaccine in her case, at least what she was saying. Yeah. But, you know, that's the stuff we're seeing. And, oh, my goodness. Got a lot of hands up here.

I'm able to try to get one or so more. This is a can't. I like what Tim did. Tim is doing what a lot of people do. It's anecdotal evidence. You can start to think critically. Something's changed. That's what I did early on. So Tim is, you know, I want to see more people in the country start to critically think.

And Tim did that. And he's on to something. And I'm sure if's a, if he got enough samples from across the country, he could probably write his own report. I mean, this is the kind of thing we need. Yeah. Doctors used to do that back in the olden days. That's right. We used to talk about our clinic. We used to talk about our clinical experience. It meant something. Yes. Oh, my goodness. So, JP, you've got to unmute your mic

in the lower left-hand corner there, and we should have you. Sometimes that just doesn't happen for reasons that are somewhat obscure to us. There you are. Nope, you're back. We got you. Can you hear us?

We hear you. This is very frustrating. you can you hear us we hear you yes we agree with that my friend sorry about that let's just let me look here I have to check everything out here one second let's get Naz rat as I'm not sure what his name is here but whoops the one difference between this and radio is this is a much more cumbersome process that is for sure yeah twitter spaces to add a call screener feature so i can do it on my side like they need to add someone to moderate it i can line people up i just heard a blip yeah we have somebody on the line yeah no he's there he's there i've got him but he's got a there's this process where they have to get hooked up which has a delay then they push their unmute their mic then it mutes again on its own then they have to re-unmute it and so let's see

if you can get that lower left hand microphone oh now mine muted how about that mine just muted so that was interesting so people didn't hear anything i said it's a ghost so nazrat uh as i see here go ahead unmute your mic and speak there you are can you hear me yeah i'm not sure that we can i can hear him but it sounded like he was out in the middle of a field with a lot of crickets yeah i i give right now on what's going on here technically with twitter spaces i'm going to give up on that somewhere Somewhere in the Ozarks. We will have a show coming up soon where I'll just take calls. I promise we will do that. Because then people line up a little differently and we can move through more calls that way.

But we are sort of towards the end of our time. Do you? Well, I can find another one. Come on, Drew. You can do this. I know you can do it. You can do it. That's what you guys want.

We are going to try to do it. He likes things to flow. He doesn't want to have any dead space. That's the radio head in my brain. JP, I'm trying you again. You were the one that was saying it was so frustrating. I'm going to give you a chance to come back on here. Can you hear us?

You should be up. This is my producer to put me up to this guys so we'll see how this goes unmute your mic his thing is unmuted is the thing it's unmuted maybe he's in the bathroom or something if you've ever

been on these twitter spaces the big larger ones you'll hear glitches. You'll hear things get weird. Let's try Steven. Yeah. Whoops. It's not terrestrial radio, Drew. It's just the way it is. There you go.

I'm just saying. We'll get there. It's the new technologies. Yeah. You heard Steven? I heard a bloop. Steven. I heard a bloop.

Is that me? That's you. That's Steven. There you go. Steven. Steven, Stephen. There you go. Stephen. Stephen, hi. You know, back in the old days when we were trying to figure out how much to spend on an illness, the statistician helps us with a figure called qualities per dolly.

And it's basically quality-adjusted life years saved per dollar. And you can't spend an infinite amount of money saving a person for a year. You know, that's why many state Medicare programs don't pay for liver transplants, for instance. You have to save the maximum number of lives and the maximum number of years for the money you have, which is always finite. The problem is that with COVID, we never did that. And somebody, you know, they didn't think about it, but we spent something like $10 trillion. And let's suppose we saved a million people, which I sort of doubt we did. But let's say a million people, which is an upper limit, divide $10 trillion by a million. And you know, it's like $10 million a piece.

And we can't afford that we can't afford any no medical system can afford that that's what we did but but but that ed is steven rather that is consistent with their thinking where they did no risk reward analysis of any type so there was no there was zero risk reward and by the way you know, we have discovered now that this pandemic preparedness industry did not think in terms of this sort of thing. It seems like it just prepared a whole bunch of hammers ready for where a nail popped up. And man, when that nail popped up, they just started hammering. And at no point was anything else contemplated.

And that's the great scandal in all this above all else in my humble opinion steven is a physician he's also a chemist and he's uh been been working these areas even any other insights you have no that's it i just want to say that before we have the next epidemic we should do some hard thinking about this oh my god yes thank you thank you what i would say to ste Stephen's point is exactly right. And in my intro piece, you know, you always hear me saying it is the mandate of public health to consider the impact of any mitigation scheme on the entire population. You can't just say if we save one life because the lockdown may save a handful of lives, whatever the vaccine may save a handful of lives, whatever, the vaccine may save a handful of lives, but you have to look at a result of the lockdowns and food chain, supply chain interruptions.

Think about that. So you save a couple of kids from COVID while you starve a quarter million. Bad, bad calculus. This is the insanity. Insanity, insanity. You got something to say. Yeah, Dr dr drew said something interesting which ties into my conspiracy of interest he said the pandemic business

so there was a this lurking lurking entities that were ready to go when something came and when they when they when they began it became a business and the momentum just went. And it seemed like a bunch of different verticals jumped at the opportunity. Tech with the surveillance cash flows, media with the nonstop ads from the pharmaceutical industry and the government, just power grab. And those are the verticals. And then the pharmaceutical industry was just excited about mandating a product under the color of law. I mean, you have a captive audience. I mean, this vaccine is the most successful consumer product in the history of the world.

Don't forget the health care system, Ed. You know, the fact that they were getting an additional $40,000 for every admission for COVID. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah. Don't leave them out. for every admission for COVID. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah. But you guys, I'll honest you, I have a lecture I've been giving for years about the opioid pandemic and how that happened. And it is line and verse the same thing as this.

There were anti-pain evangelists. There were opioid evangelists. They developed a discipline called pain medicine that had as their core discipline, pain is what the patient says it is, pain controls what the patient says it is, and opiates are a godsend, and the pharmaceutical company are our perfect partner to allow us to do our God's work. When physicians, when clinical people take an evangelical approach to anything the amount of harm they can do is untold but who gets behind

them are the business entities and the regulatory agencies and just blow winds they're like a gale force wind into the sails of those evangelists. I dare anybody to find anything different about this, the pandemic preparedness and the pain issue of the 90s and early 2000s. Same exact fucking thing. Excuse me. Hope I don't get YouTube canceled. Great analogy.

Great analogy. That's a fabulous analogy. Yep. So guys, watch out. We'll keep these conversations going. Ed, we're going to let you go. And Kelly and I are going to talk about what's coming up. But please, if anything new comes along, I hope you will join us again, even if it's

for just a quick update. Okay? Yeah. Maybe I could do a quick update next week with the dollar amounts. It's going to be iPhone and we'll talk about it. A hundred percent. Love that. Love that. Maybe a Fridayiday actually friday will be really good so we'll we'll check in with you then okay uh and uh then okay and i are think we got canceled on tuesday right

uh or wednesday both yes bobby moved to tuesday and then canceled on tuesdays yeah we're going to be rescheduled yeah bobby kennedy can't do uh can't do Tuesday. So I'm going to be rescheduling him. He's excited to come back, but can't do it on Tuesday the 28th. We did it too far in advance for him. But you know, Kelly, you know, I'm really anxious about talking to him again. I get a lot of grief. Yeah, we have to do it closer to the date so it doesn't get canceled. That's the only problem when you book somebody like this in advance. But we will have a show at 1 p.m., the guest TBA. Okay. All right.

So I guess you and I just learned we're going to be doing a show at 1 o'clock on Tuesday Pacific time. So that's what's going to happen. I'm there. Okay. And then on Monday, I'm going to speak to – I've got a couple of guests in line. Good. Okay.

Monday, I'm going to speak to – I want to get her name right astrid i'm not going to come up with it oh here it is uh astrid leffringhausen and the reason i one of the reasons i spoke to uh dr male i'm vicky male who was a very uh enthusiastic supporter of vaccines for pregnant women and um women generally um dr leffringhausen is from australia and she had some alternative data that she wanted to go over so i wanted to give both both sets of data an opportunity to come before you here and then you can decide for yourselves the only thing i would say about uh dr male stuff which was i mean it was compelling data it was too rosy on the vaccine side didn't fit reality and then she conflated though tried to talk away, tried to find a way out of it later on Twitter.

I noticed she was kind of addressing this particular criticism. Omicron from Alpha and Delta. Omicron is just not that bad. It just isn't. Kelly, am I overstating anything with that? Well, with regard to Omicron being a fraction of the lethality and severity of the illness to the previous strains, including, you know, Alpha and Delta, there's no question that's the case. But with regard to Vicki Mayle and her stance on these vaccines, it simply doesn't comport with what we are seeing with regard to huge increases in intrauterine fetal demise, stillbirths, premature rupture of membranes. Well, this is the part. This is the thing. You're right. And I've seen that data too. And she had

large cohorts where she didn't have that. And that's a problem. We need to figure out why one set of data doesn't show it, one set of data does show it. So that's important. We kind of keep our eye on that until we sort it out. Well, you can always go to the default, Drew, which is to look at birth rates around the world. And they are massively down in countries. It correlates directly with the level of vaccination, meaning the most heavily vaccinated countries have the biggest impact on their birth rates. Most of Western Europe is down between 3% and 8%. Places like Taiwan, down 26%. And places like Sub-Saharan Africa, which are fundamentally unvaccinated, have had no change in their birth rates. So they certainly had COVID by the way,

they had COVID Drew. So it's not, you know, they had COVID at the same rate the rest of us did, but their birth rates are unaffected. So you are left to, to really answer what that's coming from. And obviously I believe it's related to the, to the vaccines. But Vicki Mayle doesn't have an alternate, and she doesn't have an alternate explanation for it. So there's that. If I can ask something real quick. I wonder if, because I'm not a medical person at all. So is there anything that tracks? I'm trying to think of like the global stress level on just the population of different countries in the world

and how like there's nothing that can track that it's like anxiety of everyone peaked so much that perhaps people just aren't having kids in this time and maybe that's also affecting the numbers because this has been very stressful for especially people in my age group but you know between 20s and mid-30s usually would be having kids yes a lot of people i know have just like so listen i was i i was i was telling somebody today i was on another call that i think i told susan the story i was driving i had dinner with greg gutfelder the night and i was driving to meet with him and i was driving down fifth avenue i'm like oh my god new york is back the stores are all open and people are out in the street and it was by washington square and there were people out there. I almost burst into, I mean, I had this overwhelming desire to cry.

It was crazy. Yeah. And I thought, and it was confusing. It was such a conflicted feeling. On one hand, it was a joy that everything seemed to be kind of opening up again. But on the other hand, there was this feeling that, oh, it's not really normal, and what the hell did we just do to ourselves? It was this strange, conflicted feeling. And I've never really felt like bursting into tears like

that ever. I don't think I can remember ever feeling like that. So this is, it's all of us, and it's a lot. And I would argue that a lot of it was unnecessary. And certainly that's what you and I are learning, I think, Kelly. Absolutely. But I agree with what you're saying, Drew. I hear from people all the time, this overwhelming sense of, oh my gosh, is it over? Is it finally over? It's like when you watch people when the war is over, they open the internment camp, they open the POW camp, and people kind of say like, oh my God, is this real? Am I actually getting out? Is my life back on the rails? But it's not an immediate sense of real relief. I think what Caleb, I think what you're saying, Caleb,

is absolutely legitimate. People have been overwhelmingly stressed. I quipped early on in the pandemic that, you know, normally, frankly, when you tell people, you can't go to work, you can't go to school, you can't travel, you must stay in your house, lots of times they find other things to do. And that ends up in an increase in the birth rate. You know, people generally, when locked indoors, I mean, snowstorms.

And there's a reason why, you know, when there's bad winters in the Northeast, nine months later, there's an increase in the birth rate. You know, it's kind increase in the birth rate. It's kind of the nature of humans. I think this was different, however, because people became fundamentally so stressed early on, they may have been having a more procreative activity going on. But I think as this lockdown wore on, people started saying, first of all, get out of my space. I don't want to see my spouse as much as I'm seeing them right now. You know, we're all locked in this house together and it's, you know, not really giving me the warm fuzzies. So I think there clearly could be some component of that.

But it happens to tie, as I said, absolutely directly to the rates of vaccination in particular countries. And so, I mean, correlation is not proof causation. Believe me, I know all of this, but I find it interesting. And this probably, I didn't even think about this point. Go ahead. Well, I'm just going to kill my whole point right here because I totally didn't connect the fact that we actually did have a baby in the pandemic. So she got pregnant in a pandemic. So this may kill my point. I was just curious knowing how stressed my friends are. No, your point is well taken.

The psychiatric literature is overwhelmingly replete with data of depression, anxiety, suicide, substance use. It's out of control. So it's not as though there's some sort of global measure, but there is, there is the psychiatric data is just beyond, you can't even imagine how bad it is. Number one, number two, I just started thinking about it. You know, whenever you saw, you know, uh, um saw movies or newsreels about World War II, London had been bombed. The next day, people came out of their house and started doing things to try to make a difference. We were told to stay in our room for a year.

I can't think of any time in history. There's no war, no nothing, where people have had to stay in a shelter in place mode shelter in place is a transient thing when there's a nuclear weapon heading your way right or there's an active shooter outside it's not a state of being it look there's a reason we put people in solitary confinement as the ultimate punishment people do poorly when they're isolated socially. And this, this has got to be examined for what it was, which was a really serious catastrophe.

I, you can defend it for a while, but that it went on the way it did in many States is just, it's just reprehensible. So before we go on, let's, let's kind of wrap up. We'll just keep,

keep gushing Kelly. So, so thank you for being here. And as always, it's fun to talk to Ed. And we will see you on Tuesday at one o'clock, Susan, correct? One o'clock Pacific time? Yes. Tuesday at one o'clock, Kelly. See you then. Okay. All right. See you then. Have a good one. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions

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