Ask Dr. Drew - Ed Dowd Has The Data: Major Increase In Cardiovascular Deaths & Disability After 2020 – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 268

Episode Date: September 30, 2023

Ed Dowd returns with a concerning analysis of the UK death and disability data showing a major increase in cardiovascular diseases in ages 15-44 after 2020. [ WATCH AT https://drdrew.com/9262023 ] Ed Dowd is founder of Phinance Technologies and author of “Cause Unknown: The Epidemic of Sudden Death in 2021 & 2022.” Dowd is a former Wall Street analyst and BlackRock portfolio manager who utilized pattern recognition to get ahead of his peers during his stock picking career. He is a founding partner of Phinance Technologies. In early 2021, Ed noticed a rise in reports about sudden deaths among athletes and young people across the country. He amassed evidence from the insurance industry, funeral homes, and government databases to uncover an increase in sudden deaths among working-age Americans. Follow Dowd at https://x.com/DowdEdward 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), Dr. Drew After Dark (YMH), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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things out it's really interesting that was back on the heels of um oh shoot i'm blanking on the nfl player's name who demar had sudden death out of the field demar odom demar what is it hamlin hamlin demar hamlin uh we're going to talk to ed dowd in just seconds he's got new data for us don't go away our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre the psychopath started. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin.

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Sorry, guys. I'm going to give you all the particulars about Ed. I'm so deep in his slides that they have taken over my... Hang on a minute, everybody. deep in his slides that they have taken over my uh hmm hang on again everybody this is one of the my my emails have been overwhelmed by so many things here we go all right as you probably all know about ed anyway he is everybody loves ed founder of finance technology also author of cause unknown the epidemic of Death, 2021 and 2022. Ed was a former Wall Street analyst who utilized pattern recognition to get ahead of peers

during his career as a stock picker. As he says, he just looks at the numbers, and he noticed a rise in reports about sudden death amongst athletes and young people across the country. He has gotten very deep into the data and very interested in it. He has a new update for us, particularly on cardiovascular deaths, where the data is a little less opaque, and that is in the UK, where the NHS provides that data for the most part. Please welcome Ed Dowd. Thanks for having me on again, Dr. Drew. So should we go right to the data? I was looking at it before the show, and it's quite intriguing. Sure.

Let me just preface it by saying this is a further study based upon a report we dropped on your show. Initially, the UK Personal Independence Payment System for Disabilities, where we showed all independence payment system for disabilities, where we showed all sorts of signals in disabilities in 2022. And uh, we're now digging into, uh, deaths. That's just, that was just disabilities. Now we're looking at excess deaths in one particular body system and cause cardiovascular disease. So we focused in on that.

We did that because there's been a lot of media reports of sudden athletic deaths, celebrities, you name it. And everyone in the mainstream media seems to want to indicate that it's anecdotal. So Carlos and Yuri and myself wanted to figure out whether there was a signal. And we looked at two databases, the registered deaths database and in the ONS and the all cause deaths database. The one of the pitfalls of our study, but we made adjustments for it, is there is a lag between the causes and the registered deaths.

The registered deaths capture all the dead. Then the causes are assigned in normal times. The lag isn't that big, but because a lot of the deaths have been younger age folks lately, there's been quite a lag. And in 21, there's still an 8% lag. They're still catching up, assigning causes to the registered deaths.

And in 2022, there's a 30% lag. But the raw data, without us making adjustments, we adjust for this, the raw data without us making adjustment, we adjust for this. The raw data without adjustment still shows a signal in cardiovascular deaths above trend in 21 and 22. So even unadjusted, it still shows a signal. Once we adjust it and apply a ratio analysis, that's where we get the signal. And the signal is quite strong. And let me just go through the numbers real quick. I got four slides to get through.

Then we can have a nice discussion about it and what should be done. This is the first analysis. And we're focusing in on age groups 15 through 44 in the UK. And you can see cardiovascular deaths were actually trending down into that starting in 2010 and right before COVID hit in 2020 it was about eight deaths per 100,000 and then it did rise in 2020 and we can talk about that it went up back up to nine then it then

it then it went to ten and now it's at 11. That just shows you the trend change and how alarming that is. And that there is a signal going on in the UK of cardiovascular deaths excessively beyond the trend that was established that started in 2020. If you want to go to the next slide, we can put this in percentage terms and standard deviation measurements.

So in 2020, cardiovascular deaths went up 13%, and that was about a three standard deviation move. That's alarming. That signals something changed. But then in 2021, it went up 30%. That was a seven and a half standard deviation from trend from the long term trend established by 2010. And then in 2022, it's up 44%, or 10 and a half standard deviations.

So these are what we call strong signals. So it's just a signal that whatever the trend was, it's been broken. It's not an anomaly. Just to give your audience an idea of what a standard deviation means, a 3.8 standard deviation is the chance of lightning hitting you at least once in your lifetime. So these events are rare, and they're different from the norm. So that's why we put these into what we call Z-score standard deviations. And as finance analysts and scientists would look at this as well, it's a way for us to say, hey, this is a signal, it needs investigation, something is off the rails.

So that's what the message I want to get across to anybody from the UK regulatory agency. If you have a signal, you have a strong signal and it needs to be talked about and investigated in this age group 15 through 44. um the next chart we were able to break it down into men versus women you can see here that uh in 2021 2020 21 women and men were about the same but something's happened in 2022 uh men are now significantly higher than women. We you know, we're not doctors, we speculate it may have something to do with more physical activity. But again,

you know, we defer to the doctors to figure out why men are now getting the brunt of it. And then the final slide kind of just, you know, gives a market size as to what's going on here. We refer to a paper, Bergen et al., a Swiss paper looking at the incidence of just one part of cardiovascular disease, which is myocarditis, and their paper cited 2,800 per 100,000 of an issue. Now, that doesn't mean everyone's going to die. And they call it mild, mild Cardias, mild. Now, we can debate what that means. And then over on the right, you see our data. And our data suggests that there's still a lot of growth. We call it the market

size. So what's the growth in this market? This is what I did as a portfolio manager. This was a new market and sales were, the disabilities per 100K and the deaths per 100K in 2022. We'd say, hey, how much more room do we have to grow here? I don't wanna alarm people, but if you apply this 2,800 per 100K number from the Bergen et al paper, it sizes the market in the UK at 650,000 people in that age group,

15 through 44. Let's give the benefit of the doubt to the mild myocarditis and say only 10% of those 650,000 develop a future problem. That's a 65,000 person market of individuals that could develop either disability or death down the line. So that's what we do. That's all just back of the envelope map. I'm not trying to say it's true, but that's what I would do as a portfolio manager to try to figure out.

We call it total available market. I made up an acronym, total available market for future death and an acronym, total available market for future death and disability. I know it's macabre, but that's how we think on Wall Street. So we're trying to size the market and the market looks pretty big, unfortunately. And then what is the PIP clearance? What is that? The PIP, that's from our prior prior study that's the number of excess claims i see just cardio just in just cardio in just cardiovascular

and then those are excess events on your graph their cardiovascular claims yeah yeah so I've got a, I've got a million questions. Um, what, what do you take away from this? Well, the takeaway is something's happened since 2020 and really started accelerating in 21 and 22 where cardiovascular events in the UK. And again, I, you know, we could, you know, we can probably think that this is going on in other developed nations, took off, especially in young people. And that's not expected. That's what the insurance companies that I've been reporting on are seeing. At least one part of the deaths, excess claims are seeing.

Again, cardiovascular is just one single body system. There's other issues going on in the UK disability system. All body systems seem to be off the rails, but cardiovascular is one we focused on because that, that causes sudden, sudden death and bottom line is the bottom line is it needs to be investigated, whether you believe my reason for it or not needs to be investigated. Right. This has been my, and I've noticed John Campbell is screaming about this a

lot too, which is there are excess deaths. What is in there? Let's explain it. If it's COVID, let's deal with it. If it's vaccine, let's deal with it. If it's both, let's deal with it and figure out what we're doing. What, what I, what both he and I continue to shake our head about is why aren't the government agencies all over this? It's just so odd. Or do they know something we don't know? That's what I'm starting to get paranoid a little bit. I started thinking, my goodness, they're pushing the vaccine for six months and above. Do they know something that they're not telling us? Is there something about this as a bioweapon and some reported potential catastrophe downstream that they're worrying about that they're not telling us about? Is that even a possibility in your mind?

Anything's on the table. And I've always said right now we have our secrets you know what my thesis is you know I'm open to other other explanations and if that turned out to be true that would be a problem but so far that's been I've heard the same speculation but I haven't seen any evidence for it yet I it's interesting I haven't seen any evidence for it yet. It's interesting. I haven't really heard anybody speculate that. It just naturally occurs to me, I guess.

And when you figure out the cardiovascular incidence here, are you opening up diagnostic codes? How are you getting this data? Yeah, let me go to the report. It's ICD-10 codes. Right,'s ICD 10 codes right the I codes yeah the I codes okay I see the 10 codes and yeah we talked about it in section 3.2 we refer to like there's like 10 cardiovascular codes that we're pulling from this database right and you know the I codes is a kind of a diverse set of codes. There's valvular heart disease, there's muscle disease,

there's coronary disease. Did anything, any amongst those stand up? I mean, the one that, the coronary disease, I25.10, did that show up more than others? So we're going to do, there's a further on study we want to do digging into just what you just said. But this we just we did this data because there was a strong signal in cardiovascular. We also want to get down to the issue of whether it's chronic or acute because that would also

give us a lot of a lot of information because chronic is, know there were issues beforehand uh and and it's not it's different than acute so we want to figure out how much of it is acute versus chronic those types of things and there's going to be follow-on papers um as we delve deeper and deeper into the data so you're that actually is hard we want to know hard. We want to know. Go ahead. We want to know what you just said. That actually is hard to pull out of. But you're pulling out chronic versus acute from an ICD-10 code is actually hard to see. Because when somebody has a heart attack, you put coronary disease. When you're seeing them six months later for their Lipitor assessment and how they're doing post-angiogram, you put the same code. So one was an acute event and the

other is the chronic management of that acute event. So I don't know how you're going to tease these things out unless it's valvular heart disease and heart failure, which again, it could have developed after the vaccine and then be managed, you know, 12 months down the line. It's, it's very hard to, I don't know how you're going to do that. Yeah. Same here. Carlos is working on it. He's a genius. He's going to try to figure out something, but right now those are questions that we have, uh, unanswered questions. And you know, that's what we do. We have a, this studyanswered questions. And that's what we do. This study raises more questions. For instance, what happened in 2020?

Why did cardiovascular deaths go up 13%? Now, three standard deviations can occur. It's not, you know, that's no, you know, plus or minus one or two standard deviations is noise. Three is a, hey, something's going on here. So we want to you know, we want to what happened in 2020 in the UK. Was it COVID? Was it lockdown? There's confounding factors. So we want to isolate these factors. But what we do know

is in 2022, it's a strong signal at this point, and we uh 2023 will uh be even higher than 2022 uh because excess mortality in the uk in this age group has already hit a new all-time high in our annualized 23 numbers oh my and i i know you've had some contact with john bodwin right yeah he was looking at and he's been looking at the g codes which are the sort of stroke esque codes or at least you know neuronal neurology codes which stroke is a big part of the g codes are you guys looking there at all have you seen his stuff do you have any thoughts about that uh we've we've been talking to him we're gonna look at again this is this is a work in progress we're gonna go into every body cause hopefully at some point.

And, you know, Carlos is even thinking we can predict what we're you know, we'll have to like create some sort of IP around us. But predictive models for figuring out these types of causes ahead of time, these excess claims, then sell it to insurance companies who can then get their actuarial tables correct because they don't seem to know what's going on. Do they have concerns about what's going on? They do, but this is a slow, sleepy industry. Josh Sterling, who I did some early work with, he was a former Wall Street sell-side analyst.

He has formed the insurance coalition to save lives where the vaccine is on the table, but it's not the biggest focus, but there is a quiet kind of coalition to figure out what's going on. There's the elephant in the room that still can't be talked about it at a lot of these companies,

but the hope is that Josh will break that glass ceiling and this become open discussion. I have whistleblowers who believe what I believe and they're seeing horrendous numbers right now in the third quarter. Their excess death claims in group life are going back up and their long-term disability is accelerating, unfortunately. I'm assuming you're tilting at the notion that it is vaccine related. How do you tease out COVID versus vaccine versus COVID and vaccine, given that pretty much everyone's had COVID and vaccine? Yeah, no, exactly.

That's a great question. And that's part of the, uh, um, the questions that need to be asked and the regulators have the information. We don't, we don't, we don't, I would love to get the status of those excess claims and vaccination status. The insurance companies in the U S would want that too, but they're, they don't have access to that either. Um, they might actually sue for that, that information at some point, there's some whispering that that might occur because they're a number of people. They want to be very sure before

they do anything and they're not investors like we are. They look at history and numbers, so they want to get access to this data. They've yet to be able to get access to it. And, you know, the, you know, the transparency is key here. And why wouldn't you release the vaccination status? You know, if you, we wanted to figure out if the vaccine was doing something. Right. So, so you're saying that we don't even know the vaccine status of represented by these numbers, right? I mean, we can assume that most, most all have had a vaccine. What's odd to me is that you're not allowed to ask any questions if there's even a possibility of implicating the vaccine, right? Isn't that sort of what we're up against here? You can't ask anything, even though

it all might be COVID. Even though it all might be COVID, you're not allowed to ask questions because, uh-oh, it might have something to do with the vaccine. You know, I remember the Damar Hamlin incident referenced earlier on this show. And what I found very curious about that was the indignation that anybody would dare ask his vaccination status where, you know, a mere 18 months earlier, you had to show your papers to get into a restaurant and show your vaccination status. So I just I just found that ironic. Yeah, it is very. A lot of things was ironic about that whole event.

But I wanted to ask something about the regulators that had occurred to me. I guess it's that why do you imagine, I mean, do you have any theory as to why they're being so circumspect about releasing their information? Oh, and I want to say one other thing. I don't know if you're aware, but so why are they circumspect is one question. And I'll let you answer that in a second. But I don't know if you saw my interview with Dr. Kelly's interview with Dr. Freeman, F-R-A-I-M-A-N. John Campbell did an interview with him as well. And in that interview, he said he discovered one thing jumped out for him that has stayed with me ever since. A lot of things jumped out, but one he thought was just mind-boggling. And that was that when he was asking how they were using the VAERS data, they said, oh, no, no, the VAERS data does not show much vaccine.

There's not a lot of vaccine consequence in the VAERS. So much of it is not vaccine. He goes, how do you know that? He goes, and their response literally, quote, was, we got a guy. We got a guy that goes out and assesses. So they literally have somebody that goes out and determines whether something is or is not, something indeterminate, something literally that's not determinable. It's just data.

And rather than accept the data, they go out and go, imagine during the Vioxx debacle, if Merck had sent out people who said, no, no, no, that's not the Vioxx. That's not Vioxx. That's just heart attacks. Heart attacks are common.

Not the Vioxx. It's our, yeah. Why? Because our guy said so. That's literally what our regulators do. Are you aware of that, A? And B, why do you think they're so circumspect? Well, you just answered part of your question for me. They have a guy. They have a guy. They have a guy that dismisses out of hand that it's the vaccine. Okay, fine. Well, let's

let's look before I speculate. Let's let's, let's state the obvious. We've uncovered signal after signal after signal from publicly available databases. There are regulators who have the same data and even more data. And they get billions of dollars in budgets, and they have statisticians, and they have people that look at numbers and create tables and slice the data. They have not seen these signals apparently, that myself and others,

we're not the only ones that have looked at this. There are lots of people looking at excess mortality, and there seems to be signals all over the place. That's the first question is why are they not able to see the signals? And if they aren't, why are we paying them? Now, let's assume that they are. Let's go to speculation period now, time. Let's assume they see the signals. Why aren't they telling us? Well, I can only speculate and it has to do with politics and such. If these signals that we're seeing are related to the vaccine, it's going to take down a bunch of institutions and politicians and CEOs.

So I think that they're loathe to make enemies. And it's the institutional imperative that I used to see in corporations now and regulatory agencies where those who advance don't advance the public good. They advance their own careers. So I think we see a lot of that going on. So I want to emphasize again what your data found. You went in, you looked at the I codes, the cardiovascular codes, and as of 2020, you found a three standard deviation increase in 20 that went up to 7.5 and then now 10.5 standard deviations off what would be expected cardiovascular deaths for that same period of time. Men doing worse than women, and it's in the age group of 15 to 44.

We don't even know what's going on in the elderly population. It might be a lot worse, correct? I may be misspeaking here, but Carlos said there was a signal there as well, but he wanted to focus on this group because this group's not expected to have these kind of events. So this is why we focused on them. I'd have to check back with Carlos, but I'm pretty sure there's a signal in the elderly as well. We just haven't put it into a paper.

Well, the reason it is so important is that the young do not have a lot to gain from being vaccinated as Omicron has almost no significant effect. We think unless all this standard deviation is due to the virus, the spike protein from the virus rather than the spike protein from the vaccine, and yet it could be either or both. Correct? It certainly could, but we suspect it's more of the vaccine. And I keep going back to what I talked about early on in your show months ago, the temporal event in the third quarter of 2021, August, September, October timeframe in the Society of Actuary Numbers where excess mortality for millennials spiked up to 84% from 30%. And we call that a temporal event. It just was such a huge rise from 30 to 84%.

What did we know happened then? Mandates and vaccines. So that's why I keep going back that the vaccine is the likely culprit. Am I dismissing COVID as causing some of this? No, but I'd certainly love to find out what the mixed ratio, is it 10% long COVID and 90% vaccine,

or is it 50-50? That needs to be found out at some point. Yeah, I completely agree. Is there a world in which you, I'm trying to decide, again, could there be suicide? Could there be other things? Could be drug addiction embedded in this as well? When you look at excess mortality,

did you try to ferret out which ICD-10 code was predominantly responsible for the excess mortality? I think we're going to be working on that in the future, but we just looked initially at all-cause mortality. And again, I point out to the temporal spike in the group life policyholders, which are Fortune 500 and mid-sized companies. That to me has always been a smoking gun. And I just can't wrap my head around a suicide pact and those, you know, highly employed folks or missed cancer screening appointments, which really doesn't happen for that age group and or drug

over drug overdoses. You don't keep your job very long if you're a fentanyl or heroin user. So are they in the state that state that data state the data again so everyone's clear what you're talking about. The Society of Actuaries in 2022, August, put out a report on 2021. They found 40% excess all-cause mortality claims in 2021. But if you looked at actually quarter by quarter by quarter, the millennials 25 through 44 had the highest excess mortality of anyone in a very short period of time. 84, it spiked to 84% excess claims in that age group. And then it started coming back down.

It's running right now around 25%. So there was an event in the third quarter of 2021. And my speculation has always been that event was job mandates and vaccine mandates. And to be clear, by that point in 2021, we were into the Omicron era. And why would it be seeing a spike unless something about the long-term effects of COVID was having something downstream. Right. Which is possible. Well, it was well, why would it spike all of a sudden? Again, I'm just saying, why would it spike in the third quarter of 2021

and come back down? My suspicion is there roll out the vaccines. We all knew that that this COVID was affecting mostly old folks. And I remember myself as a young man working 80 hours a week. I didn't have time to go get a vaccine for something in my head I thought I didn't need. But then, lo and behold, the emails go out, you get this or you lose your job. It pulled forward what I call a lot of millennial hesitant vaccine people.

And voila, that was that temporal spike. All right. We're going to take a little break. I have the potential to take some calls perhaps here too as well. I see a few of you with your hand up. I'll see if I can get some calls perhaps as well. You ready to take – are you up for a couple calls ed oh sure all right and where would you like people to go to uh find your materials and do you have another book coming out too don't you uh not to my knowledge no i thought you told me last time you were working on i guess more

publications coming out is what you were telling me. Yeah, yeah. Where should they go to find your materials? Financetechnologies.com, spelled with a PH. We have all sorts of different reports and projects. All Cause Mortality, Disabilities in the UK and the US, MRNA, a clinical study analysis of the SAEs, linking them to the real world events, the UK PIP data, UK cardiovascular report. We're going to be, we have some NIH analysis.

We have absence rate analysis and work time lost analysis. So we have a lot of data and more continues to be published. We're going deeper and deeper into this the more we find out again finance at pH I and ANC technologies and and the lot of NHS stuff which is the British healthcare system is that because they are more forthcoming with their data or better at collecting the data or both yeah it's one of the bigger it's one of the biggest employers in the UK and they actually present the status we were able to it's one of the biggest employers in the UK, and they actually present the status. We were able to do an analysis of the NHS absence rates

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And again, I try to look at all sides that's coming in and I'm trying to get him to come up and talk to you and see if he'd like to discuss your data with you. Also, let's bring in Just Day D, whatever that is. Let's see. Yeah, Just Data. Justice through data. Let's bring justice through data on up. And again, truth or if you'd like to come up, I'd love to have you come in here and discuss Ed's data. You may be thinking of things that I don't think of. Here we go. Are you there? You're on mute?

You should be there. Yes, I am. Caleb, is everything? There you are. Go right ahead. So thank you for the input. And as always, thank you for the analysis. I was certainly interested in a bit more data around 2020, as there were no vaccines then, as well as 2023. There's very few, if not no vaccines taken in 2023, yet we still have COVID infections.

So why would you attribute it to the vaccine and not the infection? Oh, wait, hang on a second. Hang on one second, Ed. We're not hearing Ed for some reason. Is that here or is that Caleb? Try again, Ed. Can you hear me here or is that Caleb? Try again. Anybody?

Can you hear me? There we go. You're back. Go ahead. So why? That's what I was asking. Why not COVID? Why not COVID plus vaccine?

Why vaccine? Well, Dr. Ryan Cole has said that, unfortunately, he thinks some vaccine, people who took the vaccine are producing spike protein well after it was supposed to disappear from the system. And excess mortality continues to rise, especially in the UK. It's hitting new all-time high in 2023. So if you're attributing it to COVID, why don't we have a pandemic announced because deaths are worse in this age group now. And I would also say that the

variant is so weak at this point, it does not, in my estimation, cause people to be taken out to the woodshed when they get it. I want to say that all we know really is that the syndrome is weak, right? We know that this infecting agent with the predominant host environment which is previously infected previously vaccinated almost everybody in that environment the syndrome of infection is quite mild that's just simply the case would you agree with that Yes. But so my, what I would have loved to see, have seen is the disabilities and excess deaths trend back towards normal. And that would have been my best, I'm not rooting for excess deaths and disabilities. I was hoping they would trend lower. And then unfortunately, there was an inflection point this summer in US disabilities that inflected up about a million. We just got the 2023 data in the UK for this age group

that on an annualized basis is now at a new all time high. So the question has to be asked, why is it accelerating? And if it's due to the fact that these vaccines may have blown up people's immune systems, there's other things going on here and this needs to be investigated. So at the very least, let's say I'm wrong and it's not the vaccines. Why is there no investigation into any of these things that are going on? And if you want to blame COVID, if it turns out to be COVID, sure, I'll admit I'm wrong, but it's not being talked about from our regulators and our politicians and the media, which is very curious to me.

So it's curious to restate. Now, by the way, when I asked that question, you pointed at the actuarial data, right? That also there was that sudden temporal spike associated with people returning to work and the mandate. But that's another issue. But to this issue, it's odd that most countries are documenting excess mortality, particularly in younger age groups, that are deeply concerning. And yet no one seems to be parsing out the diagnosis codes that are represented, or at least looking at, like you are, specific diagnosis codes that I can find. I can't find any publications on that.

So, Truth or You did come up. Go ahead and unmute yourself. I'd love to hear from you. Hey, are you talking to me, Dr. Drew? I am talking to you. Thanks for having me on the show. Appreciate it. And thanks for coming on today.

Yeah, so I had two issues to sort of push back against some of his claims. The first is his major claim is the fall of 2021 is when he believes that's when vaccines were killing people. But in America at that time, that's the exact moment in Delta. You had mentioned Omicron. It was actually Delta. That's when Delta was hitting younger people. But in America at that time, that's the exact moment of Delta. You had mentioned Omicron, it was actually Delta. That's when Delta was hitting younger people in the exact age groups, he's claiming were caused by vaccines, the hardest, especially in the Southeast region, which was heavily unvaccinated in those age groups. And it was a significant amount of unvaccinated people dying, younger, unhealthy, of course, suffering from obesity, diabetes,

et cetera, because a lot of unhealthy younger people live in the Southeast. These are the people that were dying. Now, you combine that with the overdose deaths. You combine that with the increased record gun violence, the increased record alcohol deaths, missed medical care deaths from the pandemic, et cetera. And that's literally the exact cause of those deaths. Vaccines were actually lowering excess deaths and do lower excess deaths. That's been shown multiple times because if you look at the states or the counties. Wait, let's let him answer that. Hold on. Let's let him answer that.

And by the way, for a 30-year-old, missed medical appointments has no impact, even if you have diabetes. It really isn't. No, no, no. We're talking about people that were very unhealthy upwards of 65, not just 30-year-olds, 45s, 50-year-olds. People have- talking about people that were very unhealthy upwards of 65 not just 30 year olds 45 50 year old people have his data his his data is he's talking about 15 to 44 year olds only right and i'm just specific yeah i'm specifically talking about 20 to 44 year olds because i want

the one country seems to ignore is sweden which we actually have a good control group because sweden didn't have those issues we had they didn't have the overdoses they didn't have the gun violence they didn't have the missed medical cares. They didn't have the overdoses. They didn't have the gun violence. They didn't have the missed medical cares. 20 to 44 in Sweden, higher vaccine rates than the United States, about 86%. Higher vaccine rates, negative excess in 2021, negative excess in 2022, and double negative excess in 2023. Minus 7%, minus 7%, minus 14%. Significantly historic negative excess in a group with higher vaccine rates as a perfect control group to prove that it cannot be the vaccines unless you can prove that Sweden got a placebo. Okay, hold on. So let's do several different questions being asked there. So go

ahead, Ed, what do you want to address? Well, in terms of the smoking gun, I'm referring to the Society of Actuaries data group policies, Fortune 500 and mid-sized companies. These are the healthiest amongst us. They're not overweight, they're not obese, they're not unhealthy people. They have access to the best healthcare. And Delta was in circulation in the months prior to the mass vaccination program, but we didn't see a spike, a concurrent spike

in this group of people. They started spiking August, September, October when corporations started mandating vaccines. So Delta was already in the population in April, May, June. And hospitalizations, that age group was not dying in mass, at least in the group life policy arena. So forget Delta being the cause of taking out- Although you're not looking at when the cases came.

The cases came in the Southeast at that exact time. Florida got hit in that summer and September period. They didn't get hit before with Delta. But hang on, truth or- This was not a- Wait, hold on. You're both talking about two different populations. You're talking about two different populations, aren't we?

Yeah. The Society of Actuaries was not based in Florida. It was not Florida data. This is excess claims across their whole group life policies. 84%. 84%. That's so statistically off the charts, and to blame it on Delta seems a little ridiculous to me,

especially since Delta was already in the population in the summer. That's only partially. But again, I'm saying it could be both, too. That's the other thing. That's a part that I'm really struggling with, is that I have a feeling when we get to that, we really figure this out. There's going to be contributions from both.

Why is he not looking at the control group that we have? We have Sweden. We have a great control group, the exact same age groups he's claiming. Negative excess mortality, historic negative excess, not just little, a lot of negative and with higher vaccine rates than the America. Higher vaccine rates. We didn't have 86 percent rates okay hold on hold on let's hear let's go ahead ed as he looked at uh we we put sweden in our analysis and their excess deaths trended down and now they're trending back up so

they're negative for all of 2023 wait with no so hold on. So hold on. So, Truther, where are you getting... Hold on a second. Let's find out where the data... Well, so there's a great data researcher... Where do you get your data from? There's a great data researcher... Where do you get it from? There's a great data researcher on Twitter named Paul Dobsy

who does incredible excess mortality data. And he's also shown that the highest vaccinated countries have the lowest excess mortality since vaccination. Like Sweden has the lowest excess mortality in Europe since vaccination. Meanwhile, the highest vaccinated countries like Romania and Bulgaria have the highest historic excess mortality since vaccinations. In fact, Bulgaria has lost almost 1% of their country in excess, which is equivalent to 4 million Americans dead in excess. That is incredible.

And they had 29% vaccine rates by the end of 2021. That's lower than Africa. It was an historic failure to vaccinate their elderly and their vulnerable in 2021. And if you look at the U.S. states- Were they an older, hang on, were they an older population? Definitely an older population, but so is Sweden. But so is Sweden. Sweden has the lowest excess mortality with one of the highest vaccine rates. No country in Europe has vaccinated more 3-plus boosters than Sweden. Hang on. You're saying, though, you're saying it's low in the 20 to 44 age group. Is it also low in the elderly population?

It's low. Well, Bulgaria was low across the board, but Sweden was significantly high in the young population. They vaccinated as young as 12-year-olds, 57%. I get it. Yeah. No, I'm saying the mortality population. They vaccinated as young as 12-year-olds, 57%. I get it. I'm saying the mortality issues. It's hard to keep hold of all these things in mind without having graphs and whatnot. But Ed Dadd is specifically looking at 2021 and saying the U.S. excess was because of vaccines,

but at the exact same time, the exact same group, we had negative excess in Sweden. If he can't explain that, then it has to be another reason. And that's why I say look at other things. Look at gun violence, overdose deaths, drug violence. Okay, hold tight. Where did you get your Sweden data? The group-wide policyholders experienced drug violence and overdoses on the third quarter of 2021.

Gotcha. Totally, totally gotcha. And where did you get your Sweden data, Ed? It's on our website. It's cited on our website. I don't have, I mean, it's one of the Did you collect it? Was it from the government?

Or was it from the government? Or do you guys have some other source? How did you guys get Sweden data? It was probably government data. I think it's Eurostat data. I mean, I can't remember all the data at the moment, but it's on our website. Let's see. Who else? We're trying to get everyone up here.

There's a lot of hands up, so give me a moment. I sent a DM to the real truth to see if he'll send some of the charts and data and more of the info. Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah. I don't know quite who to get up here there's a bunch of hands up and i'm trying to get everybody uh a chance here and we are we are running low on time all right let me bring joe up here uh joe give your point of view what What's that, Susan? Oh, yeah.

Rumble is, the Rumble ranters are at it. Joke, you got to unmute yourself once you get connected. For a second here. Did not work. We're going to get Buck up here. Hang on a second, Buck. There you are.

Unmute yourself, Buck. Boy, I think you know how we get, sometimes we get weird stuff going on here, Caleb. That is happening now. Let's try the only mark. Right, the only mark. Yeah, a lot of people with their hands up, and I'm trying to get you guys up here. If you can hear us, the only mark, we want you.

Hi, how you doing? How's everyone? There you are. He made it up. Welcome. How's it going? Yeah, I just got a question for Dr. Drew. If you think it's the vaccines that are causing all the excess deaths, what about all the deaths that happened in the first year of data?

First year of data from what? From all the deaths the first year. If it's the vaccines that's causing all the excess of deaths. I, by the way, have no opinion. I don't know if it's COVID, COVID and vaccine. Before the vaccine. You're saying what caused the death before the vaccine? Yes.

COVID caused the death. COVID. We were in a pandemic. We were in a pandemic. Pandemic is defined by... See, that's one of the things that's curious. Hang on. Mark. obviously we're in a pandemic pandemic is defined by see that's one of the things that's curious hang on mark one of the things that's curious is pandemics are defined by excess mortality right when you have excess mortality you're in a pandemic that's what that's the one thing i

find curious about the present moment we have persistent excess mortality in many countries why aren't we declaring something why aren't we declaring something? Why aren't we declaring something? What's in there? What's causing it? Are we in another pandemic? If it is COVID, we should be freaked out. What, what,

what, why aren't they saying something? What about harm from COVID? That's what we're saying. If it's a pandemic, that's what I'm, that's what I'm saying. They should be saying this is COVID, but they're not. They're not saying it's COVID. They're not saying it's anything. And we're in excess mortality, which is serious correct. There are about 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.

And there are about 500,000 excess deaths in 2021. The most curious thing about that is the mix shift. We saw a huge mix shift to mostly big standard deviation, historical deviation from norm for the young in 2021, especially in the fall of 2021. Not, not the spring of 21, not not early 21, the fall 2021. And that spike, that temporal spike occurred basically in the second half of the year. And that's when the insurance companies raised their hands, they weren't losing any money. When old people were dying in in 2020 because they'd mostly paid into the system. A lot of them were retired, no longer had

group life policies. So this started happening in 21. So until someone can answer for me why a virus would decide to leave young people alone in 2020, but then switch the mix shift in 2021, that's a curious virus as far as I can tell. Yeah, all these things don't seem to be easily answered. It's such an odd, again, I've seen Truther put that Swedish data up on Twitter before, and I wish I'd looked at it more carefully and where that data is coming from and whatnot. I have looked at it more carefully

and where that data is coming from and whatnot. I have no reason to disbelieve that's what he's saying, but you got different data looking at it from where again? Your Swedish data? No, no, they did, let me go to our website. They did have the lowest excess mortality, but it started to rise again. So it went negative.

I see. But then it started to become less negative and now it's rising and in it in again that's the 20 to 44 age group well that was that was all Sweden the whole total population we could we could I I don't have the debt I don't have the numbers in my head but you can go to my website and see what happened in Sweden okay we put Sweden out there we kind of wrap well we have a kind of rap things are part of our it's part of our analysis we don't we don't hide Sweden it's there but it's also a small population they didn't do lockdowns which may have had some confounding factors we

don't know but it's a it's it's also a very young population as well I believe well he what truth there was time I was again 20 to 44-year-olds. He was looking at that population specifically when I need to see that data again. And again, needs to be explained. I agree with him. It does need to be explained. All this stuff needs to be explained. And my constant refrain is, why isn't the NHS? Why isn't the CDC? Why isn't the NIH? Why aren't these organizations telling us or asking the questions? Or are they and they just haven't published it yet? Why do we have to sit and kind of figure it out on our own? What do you think? from the last caller where you said, look, excess mortality seems to still be trending and we don't have a pandemic declared, why? I mean, and we're not talking about COVID per se anymore. That is the most curious thing to me,

the WHO and everybody kind of put COVID to rest several months ago, Michelle Walensky resigned from the CDC, said job well done, hooray. But here we are in 2023 with disabilities in June going up a million, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics Survey. We have absence rates off the charts.

So whatever you wanna say about whether I'm right or Real Truth is right, why is the regulatory bodies quiet on this? This is a devastating impact to the economy. So whether we're right on the vaccines or not, we're going to be analyzing these numbers and making calls on the economy and our hedge funds. So we'll still be right because we'll have the data showing that these trends are in place.

And these trends are pandemic-like trends. They're pandemic. Well, I was going to say, yeah, and maybe the pandemic is depression. Maybe the pandemic is drug addiction. Maybe the pandemic is stroke. I don't know. But it's pandemic like numbers with no response from the government and the same government that said one death is too many 18 months ago. Literally one death is too many.

And now here we have literally hundreds of thousands and young people dying and nothing zero you know crickets that's what's upsetting me if it's covid let us know if it's the lockdowns let us know it's just not being declared with any kind of clarity that i that i can find maybe i'm wrong one thing one thing that concerns me is and this is speculation on my part because I'm not a doctor, but I wanted to see the trends come down. I wanted to see excess mortality and disability trend and the growth trends break and roll over. They've reaccelerated.

So something's going on in the last several months that is alarming. And my fear and again, I'm not a doctor, is that it's a medium term effect from the vaccines. And if it is and again, I'm not a doctor is that it's a medium term effect from the vaccines. And if it is, we got a problem, Houston. So we just need to have an open discussion and talk about these numbers. But there seems to be zero interest from our governments, the media, and, you know, the tech companies as well that continue to kind of suppress us, except for Twitter at the moment. Aidan McCullen, Ph.D.: And it's not just in this country, let's be fair. So Truthor, I well that continue to kind of suppress us except for Twitter at the moment.

And it's not just in this country, let's be fair. So Truther, I guess, sent over some graphs to Caleb. Caleb, you want to put up what you got? I guess it's the, I guess it's the sweetest. Yeah, I have one chart here. Truther sent this one. I don't know if he wants to call in again and try and explain. This is the chart that he just DM'd me on Twitter. It's showing, it says at the top western europe estimated age standardized excess mortality ages 20 to 44 this is the 2021 i'm downloading and getting the 2022 chart in a second if you guys where is that published is that what's in the parentheses there in tiny print it it doesn't uh well okay it's not on there and what was the sp and then is that you is that what

you're saying can you bring it back up is that what you're saying everywhere they're going back up the way that uh final uh graph is going or is that temporal we're even looking at well there's different countries i see i don't know what the source i don't know what i'm looking at to be honest yeah i don't really either it's western Western European estimated age standard mortality, ages 20. He's just showing that it's less in, I can't read what that says. Finland and Sweden? It's less in Finland and Sweden.

Okay. And then what's the other brand? I'm pulling them up now. There's other ones for other years, but I do want to say, I haven't actually fact-checked what this chart is. This was sent to us by the person who called in a minute ago.

So I'm going to- Yeah, yeah, I understand. We're justchecked what this chart is. This was sent to us by the person who called in a minute ago. So I'm going to, I'm going to the other two. We're just visualizing what he was, what he was reporting. So that's all. And how was Spain's vaccine rates? That's the point he's making. There's a relationship between, it was high in terms of deaths. Yeah. But, but these are older populations and it's, it's, it's very complicated.

And he, by the way, he said it was 20 20 to 44 i don't see that specifically in that data well listen i i don't have a i've got to do a presentation in a few minutes here so i want to give ed a chance to kind of wrap things up what what do you you know what's the what what's keeping you up at night what are you working on next? Is it the G codes? Is it just trying to get an explanation from somebody on what's in these excess mortality datas? What are you thinking these days? Well, first of all, we dropped the UK PIP data on your show. That's how we released it. And it shows either systemic fraud is occurring and or all sorts of body systems are off the charts. So there's signals everywhere

in the disability system in the UK. And if those rates continue, they'll go bankrupt at some point. So somebody over there needs to, you know, at least engage with us and answer some questions. I just pulled up our Sweden data. Swedish death rates were coming down. They went up in 2020. There were 5% excess deaths. And this is total population, 5% in 2020.

It dropped down in 21 to negative 1.3%. And then in 2022, it rose back up to one point three eight percent we don't have the twenty three numbers we're working on though so we'll be interested to see what's going on in twenty three in Sweden but they had more excess deaths in twenty twenty they came down in twenty one and now they're rising again so you know what went on there that's one country uh we see excess deaths uh rising there as well. So the trend, it's not that Sweden is like out of the woods. There seems to be going the wrong way at the moment. Interesting. It's, to me, the greatest problem, just to summarize, is that nobody's really debating whether or not there is excess mortality the problem is that

there's a trend not only is there excess mortality as a trend in the upward direction right for the most part is that accurate to say that yeah absolutely well for the most part it's but it's spiked a lot in 2021 but it's now rising again for the most part. Yeah. And some of the other data around disability is showing, I've never heard you say that it's going to bankrupt the system. So obviously Great Britain should be very concerned about that. And are they talking about it? Is it something that they can help us understand how they're going to respond to it or what they think is going on since they have a crisis on their hands. And for the rest of us, we have essentially pandemic-style numbers. Now, do they meet criteria for pandemic? That's not up to me, but it is effectively,

in organizations that said one death was too many, we have pandemic-level sorts of numbers and no talking about it, no discussion about it, no public discourse, no press reporting. And at least if it needs to be put to rest for some reason, why not do that? Why not at least acknowledge it and then put it to rest? It seems like they can't put it to rest. Either they don't know what's going on there, they're afraid to ask what's going on there, or they do know and are afraid to talk about it. Isn't that a fair assessment of what's going on? Correct. And I don't know if you've been following Dr. Offit's comments, but he is now kind of pulling a slight 180 on myocarditis and saying that he's decided not to get boosters for his own personal risk assessment uh citing some papers that yes myocarditis does occur with this vaccine there

are papers on that and that seems to be uh becoming settled scientific debate as we move forward nothing's ever settled but it seems to be that right you know we went from no myocarditis to yes and maybe the vaccine's causing it. And they're quote unquote mild. Right. And look, mild in my world, when you saw myocarditis of any stripe, it was a medical emergency. And especially in a young person, because you cannot predict who's going to have serious arrhythmias. You can't predict that.

There's no such thing. Mild myocarditis, just as likely to cause arrhythmias as serious myocarditis. It's just not as likely to cause cardiomyopathy down the line, which is the dreaded complication, provided you don't have life-threatening arrhythmias. All of these things are dreadful, dreadful risks and really serious. And throughout my career, medical emergencies that you paid incredibly close attention to, not dismissed it as mild. And the issue about myocarditis being caused by COVID is not settled science. Now there are people going back and forth with data saying it's not so much from COVID, it's more from the vaccine.

So again, we need that data to continue to kind of mill through. I'm just glad to see both sides coming through in the literature. It's been such a weird three years where it only goes one direction and you don't see the usual back and forth. At least there, you're seeing some back and forth conversation in the scientific clinical literature. Ed, we appreciate, as always, you coming in and sharing your data with us. Susan, do you want to say anything before I let Ed go here? Because I know she's an Ed Dowd enthusiast. Thank you. She's like, when can we get Ed back before I let Ed go here? Because I know she's an Ed Dowd enthusiast. Thank you. She's like, when can we get Ed back?

Please bring Ed back. Let's bring Ed in here once a week. We're embarrassing him. Well, but people do love hearing the numbers, and they love hearing your analysis. And the bottom line is… Can I get some stock picks? Ed?

He's not going to respond to that. I don't want to give any financial advice over the air. I like treasury bills. I like treasury bills. Long term, I'm assuming you seem longer horizon treasuries now or short horizon? Okay, I will do that. No, I'd say for the next year or two, you want to be in treasuries because there's a recession that we're tracking that is either here or coming.

We suspect it's already here and eventually the stock market will figure that out. The average stock has had a bad year while six mega cap stocks are carrying the whole indices, making everyone believe everything's really, you know, hunky dory, but it's not. One thing before I go, I cite the Society of Actuaries. Also the US disabilities data is a different database. It showed that disabilities for the employed population went up 36% between February of

21 and November of 22. The general US population went up nine and not in labor force went up 4%. Those are the people who quit or were fired who could participate and are able and willing to work. And then when we look at employed men and women, they hit new all time highs in July and August. And the rate of change on employed men and women is off the chart. So you know, look, at the end of the day, I've said, and the data says that it has been detrimental to your health to be employed in 21 and 22 compared to the general US population. That's never occurred in the history of the US.

So that needs to be investigated. And I said that to Senator Ron Johnson, but it's been crickets from Congress. And if let's say there'd been no pandemic and you suddenly were observing data like this, it would be panicsville. There would be massive outcry, right? If this was, let's say this was 2010 and you started making observations like this, it would be a crisis, right? Yeah, somehow something is affecting our most able-bodied men and women in the labor pool. Why?

That's it. That's the question. Why? Yeah, why? Forget, don't think that you're biasing the question either way. Why? Just answer the question, why? And if it's depression and if it's drug addiction and if it's COVID and if it's vaccine and if it's all of

it, we need to understand that. When somebody needs to stand up and say, that's it, it's all of the above. And here's how we know that. But it needs to be an official. It needs to be somebody who takes an official position on this. Seems to me. I don't know. Maybe it does need to be official. Maybe it just needs to be worked out in the literature over time. I guess we will know soon enough. Ed, thank you so much. Financetechnologies.com, is that where we go? That's where you go. All of our data is there and I'll send over this. I pulled up the, I pulled up the Sweden chart.

I'll send it to you guys so you can look at it yourselves. Cool. And on X for Ed Dowd, is that the, is that the Twitter handle? Uh, at Dowd Edward, D Od edward and getter at edward okay thank you my friend we'll talk to you very soon take care all right thank you and uh for the rest of you appreciate you being here tomorrow susan we have kind of an interesting combination of joshua guts cow i hope i pronounced that correct, and George Borrello. We have, of course, with Dr. Kelly Victory and Bobby Ann Cox. Lionel comes back on Thursday.

Wait, there's four people tomorrow? Yeah, it's one, and then I think two, as they were doing it. And then Jay Bhattacharya. It's like three. Coming back on October 5th. Rob Schneider coming in on October 10th, maybe with some special guests. Yeah, he's fed up. Well, Rob and I are going to revisit our history together and sort of see how it looks in the retrospective scope. Your COVID history together?

Yeah, see how it looks retrospectively. So I appreciate everybody that participated here. We appreciate it very much, and we'll try to get more calls in. It's really hard to do that and get everyone up, but I do appreciate the people that participated, and we will see you tomorrow. What? What we might be doing some we might possibly be doing some extra caller shows coming up as we get closer to my wife's due date with the baby so caller shows might be coming up good how why because you can't because they're they're easier

for me well yeah because they're easier than setting up guests and i don't want to have like a senator that's scheduled to come on the show. And then the baby decides to come that evening and we have to cancel on the center. Yeah. So we might be doing some caller shows. Good idea. So it'll be all you callers. Yeah. All you, boo.

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