Ask Dr. Drew - Ed Dowd Reveals NEW Data On mRNA Vaccine Injuries, as WHO Declares COVID “Over” and CDC Boss Resigns. w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 215

Episode Date: May 13, 2023

“With great hope I declare COVID-19 over as a global health emergency,” said Dr. Tedros Ghebreyesus, the Director-General of the WHO, on May 5. On the same day, Dr. Rochelle Walensky resigned as Director of the CDC. What’s happening behind-the-scenes? Ed Dowd returns to report NEW data on mRNA injuries. Ed Dowd – a financial analyst and co-treasurer for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential campaign – discusses his research into natural immunity, adverse events, the ending of federal vaccination requirements, and the economic effects of the world’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Ed Dowd is founder of Phinance Technologies and author of “Cause Unknown: The Epidemic of Sudden Death in 2021 & 2022.” He was recently appointed co-treasurer of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s presidential campaign. Dowd is a former Wall Street analyst and BlackRock portfolio manager who utilized pattern recognition to get ahead of his peers during his stock picking career. Follow Dowd at https://twitter.com/DowdEdward 「 SPONSORED BY 」 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. Hundreds of millions of people have received a COVID-19 vaccine, and serious adverse reactions are uncommon. Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician and Dr. Kelly Victory is a board-certified emergency specialist. Portions of this program will examine countervailing views on important medical issues. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org and https://twitter.com/DrKellyVictory. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ed Dowd returns today to give us new information he has on the mRNA vaccine injuries and predictions about the economic impact of the global response to COVID. Ed is always full of really interesting information, a favorite on this show. He is, of course, a former Wall Street analyst, BlackRock portfolio manager. Ed Dowd's book is Cause Unknown, and you can visit Finance Technology with a PH, financetechnology.com, where he had been the founder. I want to get right to our guest. Without further delay, here we go.

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Don't miss out on this opportunity to discover a brand that is perfect for your paleo lifestyle. And, of course, today is Monday. We are not normally here on Monday, but we will not be here Wednesday and Thursday this week. So Dr. Kelly Victory has very kindly joined us, agreed to join us today and tomorrow. Tomorrow we have Nikolai Petrovsky in here and Dr. Victory will be with me here. And then our follow-up show will be on May 15th with Nicole Sapphire at three o'clock. That's a Monday on May 15th. I believe that's a Monday. Yeah. So as I was saying today, of course, it's Ed Dowd, founder of Finance Technologies, author of Cause Unknown, The Epidemic of Sudden Death in 2021 and 2022. He was recently appointed co-treasurer of RFK Jr.'s presidential campaign. Mr. Dowd is a former Wall Street analyst, BlackRock portfolio manager, who is an analyst.

He looks at pattern recognition and he is very good at that. And there's nothing substantively different about biological systems and economic systems. They are all systems and they all can be analyzed by looking at the numbers. Ed noticed a rise in reports on sudden death, and he's been following things since then. He's going to bring us some new data on mRNA vaccine injuries and predictions for the economic impact, particularly of the global response to COVID. Welcome, Ed Dowd. Thanks for having me on again, Dr. Drew. Great to be here. Great to be here. Great to be with you. I'm going to bring Kelly in pretty quick here, but I just was wondering if you could sort

of frame to us how your thinking has evolved since we last talked to you. Yeah, so we kind of tied everything together, all our work, and we did an analysis of the U.S. specifically because we have the best data in terms of disabilities and whatnot, and using the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics coupled with excess mortality. And we put together a vaccine damage report. It's our best stab at estimating the human cost, which is the devastating cost,

and then the economic cost, two separate things. And from our analysis, the human cost from the mRNA vaccines, and if it's not the vaccines, it's something else. So we're assuming vaccines. If it's not, it needs to be investigated, full stop. 300,000 excess deaths in 21 and 22 from the vaccine. Now, we think that's conservative.

Disabilities, we put out 1.36 million cumulative. And injuries is a new number we came up with. We came at it from the Pfizer clinical trials, the data there, the two months of the blinded study, plus what we're seeing in the absence data and the work time loss data. We came up with 26.6 million vaccine injured which were saying chronically sick and missing work and so that's a total of about 30 million americans about 10 of the population um that's actually foots with what we saw in the adverse reactions in the clinical trials so this is this is not too far off that number um i'm gonna stop you i already got a bunch of wait i'm gonna stop you because i already got a bunch of, wait, I'm going to stop

you because I already got a bunch of questions. I just want to clarify a couple of things if you don't mind. One is the excess disability thing. I mean, you know, packed into that could be COVID, COVID plus vaccine, lockdown consequences, right? I mean, there's a lot that could be in there. Is that fair to say? Sure. The total disabilities went up 3.2 million. So that we estimate. Oh, I see. Yeah, so disabilities in the US

were running around 29 to 30 million pre-COVID. We hit a high of 33.2 million, though we're only estimating 1.36. So there's been new disability. You're picking essentially half of it. Half of it, yeah. point two million though we're only estimating one point three six so there's been essentially half of it half of it yeah so we're not we're not attributing all the new disabilities in the u.s to the vaccines and is there any reporting on this is there any source of what you know what's in these i mean just patients that apply for disability are pretty well documented

although you and i both know that the way the vaccine injuries are documented is really weak. But at least there's some documentation. So do you have anything about what's packed into those 3 million cases? No. So we're using U.S. Bureau of Labor statistics. So this is self-identified. So there's a signal. So the signal went off the rail starting in february of 2021 and so again you

know we're blaming the vaccines but this is a signal that needs to be investigated and if it's not the vaccines what is it and why aren't we talking about it so like you know we can get at this a bunch of different ways either i'm wrong or the health institutions aren't doing their job yeah you know i i agree with with you, and we've been yelling about this for quite some time, and I've noticed John Campbell started ringing this alarm in the UK, and a few of the MPs started speaking

up, and they got pretty roundly dismissed, really. Some of them, you know, some of the advocates for further information kind of were over their skis a little bit, but it seemed like there was someone trying to look into it in the UK as well, but then they stopped. Yeah. There, there, there seems to be this, um, silence on the whole issue.

And the numbers that we're seeing in terms of, uh, excess deaths, disabilities, and what we now classify as work time lost and absences, we have a pandemic now way worse than COVID 2020. So the pandemic, I think the WHO just declared the pandemic over on Friday, I believe. Yes, they did. And we're going to talk about that and Walensky's retirement. Kelly is very worked up about that. I'm going to leave, the winds are full in her sails.

I'm going to let her give her a chance to talk about that. But yeah, yeah, this is, that's right. And so what's interesting is the silence before when you and I used to theorize, why are they, why are they being lit? We thought, well, maybe they really believe the vaccine is going to prevent deaths. And if we, if the people are in any way, you know, biased against the vaccine, people are going to die, but it's over. They can no longer say that. And yet the silence has become more deafening. Correct. And the numbers are not good. And if these numbers continue, you know, we're going to have a problem economically as well in the national security issue. So, you know, you know, my viewpoint, you know, the team and I at Finance Technologies are about 150% convicted that it's the vaccine.

So I'd be happy to be proven wrong because that would solve a lot of institutional problems that are coming our way because I believe if it is the vaccine, we've got a lot of problems ahead of us institutionally. Institutionally meaning as a government or as... Institutionally meaning there's going to be a complete loss of trust in a lot of the institutions that we hold dear, like the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, you know, the government. So there's a lot of problems. So, you know, I'd happily be proven wrong, Dr. Drew, but unfortunately I don't feel that way yet. Now, the other question I stopped you in the middle of your presentation was this this injuries category, this new category. Tell me more, I didn't quite get what that was.

So it's, so there's, in the Pfizer clinical trials there were adverse events, death being the most rare. Then there there was and they classified severe adverse events which is narrowly defined even with those numbers as the narrowly defined definition we were able to impute a an injury associated with that not necessarily a disability but you know you have you had to go to the hospital something happened right and those numbers come up to about 20 so we imputed that for the whole population 26.6 million but we didn't we didn't talk about it before because we couldn't

um you know put it tie it to anything but what we found in the u.s bureau of labor statistics there's annualized absence data and work time lost when i when i was on your show last time i talked about the fact that work time lost exploded to 13 standard deviations above the 20-year trend line in 2022. It went up in 2020, as would be expected, because COVID with a lot of confusion, lockdowns, went up again in 21. But what's super surprising is it exploded again and went even higher in 2022 to 13 standard deviations above trendline, which in my world is a black swan event. It's crazy off the charts, the amount of work time being lost by people who are showing

up to work, full-time employees. And do you have any hint of where that's going, what the trendline is? I think I showed the graph on your show last time. It's like this. It's like literally almost bending back on itself. So it got way worse in 2022. And the thing that I'm worried about is, you know, we don't know what the medium-term and long-term impacts of the vaccine are

because there were no studies. So that's what, you know, we hope that this was just an anomaly. And let me do, I wanna deliver some good news. The disability data came out on Friday and it ticked down a little bit. It was close to its all time. It started going back up to its all time high the month before. So in the month of April, it ticked back down again its all time high the month before.

So in the month of April, it ticked back down again about 200,000, but still the trend is not broken. And the good news is that women, employed women who are hitting new all time highs in the prior month are down significantly, not too much, but they tick down. So the good news is at least disabilities this month

didn't get worse but the trend is not broken and you know so if we were to draw a trend line the rate of growth is slowed but it's still an up and to the right when you as a as a technical analyst i like to see it break trend and go back to normal right so so the delta is a smaller number, right? The rate of change is slower, correct? Yeah. But it's still at an extraordinary, the number itself is still high relative to historical averages. Still high. And if you were a technical analyst, you would say it's pausing before it resumes growth. So for me to declare that we're out of the woods, I would love to see a break friend and like had trend or I can't say that yet, but the good news is it didn't go up again last month to new all time highs.

So that's at least. Just, just cause I'm interested. I'm just sort of interested in this technical stuff. And when you say break trend, are you talking about to take to a negative Delta or just go to zero or one or what? What's up? So, so, so what was going on? It was,

it was flat lining like this. Then it grew in 21 and 22. Now it's, it's, it's rolling over, but it's not like this. I want to see it roll over and, and break the trend line.

You can draw a trend line. I want it to go below trend and it's not below trend. Yeah. You don't want it below national averages. You want it just to, you want that trend to reverse itself or to change once we break trend i'll feel better then we should go back towards national averages yeah and does the and my last question before we bring dr victory in here is does the bureau of labor statistics react to this analyze it are they on the record with any policy conversations or is it just they

put the data out and it's crickets no they put the data out and it's supposed to be used by other departments and so they don't ever comment on their data they do the payroll number what what i like about these guys is it's you know they're just kind of independent and they don't they don't have any skin in the game their budgets their budget so they're just putting the numbers out so it's not tied to you know a health care budget just these are numbers and that's what I love about these guys and it's monthly and it's a high frequency and it's it's it's a survey it's a telephone survey done every month so it's statistically imputed so there's some noise in the

numbers so they call about 60,000 people a month take a survey and they and they change the people that they rotate you know different people every couple months so it's i like it as a data but i don't understand why there's not somebody responding to the data like there's no there's no no no uh you, uh, you know, cabinet level personnel or anything sort of in there going, Hey, we noticed something. Here's what we think. Well, I've tried to, I've tried to make this, uh, information available. I said, I talked to Senator Ron Johnson about this. I'm trying to get into the COVID, uh, committee hearings in the house, but I've not been invited yet. I don't think anybody has been invited yet to those.

So I would love to present this data to a congressional body. Just call me and I'll go. All right. Leo, let's say it again. Call Ed Dowd. He'll come in, present his data, and you can make your own decision

about whether you think it's meaningful or not. And it seems to me that if you're doing a house investigative committee on COVID-19 response, how you can exclude this is mystifying to me, but okay. I think government operates in strange ways. Uh, let's remind everyone the GOP is in charge of the House. So let's get the GOP on this because the DNC is in charge of the Senate. So I'd love to see a bipartisan committee on this. I don't know why there isn't. This shouldn't be a political issue. Have we not sat here the entire pandemic shaking our head going, I don't understand why. I don't know why. Why isn't there? I mean, I've begun 500 sentences with those words in the last six months.

And here we are again. So, all right, we're going to take a little break, get some business out of the way, and then we'll bring Kelly Victory in here. She's got a whole lot of thoughts about Rochelle Walensky and her recent, what's she called, retirement or the fact that she resigned. Something else going on there Kelly just discovered, and she'll get to that, and we'll hear more from Ed Dowd and his numbers, and be right back after this. With Mother's Day quickly approaching, what better way to express your love than by giving the gift of younger-looking, beautiful skin with the luxurious feel of GenuCell Skin Care.

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If this episode ends here, the rest of the show is available at drdrew.tv. There's nothing in medicine that doesn't boil down to a risk-benefit calculation. It is the mandate of public health to consider the impact of any particular mitigation scheme on the entire population. This is uncharted territory, Drew. Boy, Kelly, when I hear that intro and you talk about risk rewards and contemplating the impact on the population, it seems even more outrageous as time has gone on, doesn't it? I mean, that they did all this without that. And now here we are talking to Ed about the consequences.

It does. And thanks so much for being here, Ed, by the way. I mean, your appearances are always much anticipated, not only by Drew and by me, but by our entire audience. So I really appreciate you taking the time to do this and accommodating our crazy schedule. Yeah, my comments all that time ago, Drew, about public health, really, I stand by those today.

It is the mandate of public health to pay attention to that. We aren't supposed to be focused in public health on a singular disease, on a singular individual. It's very different from when we are practicing one-on-one medicine in a clinic or in an emergency department. When I put my public health hat on, I am obligated to look at how anything is going to affect the entire population, including all of the people who are at fundamentally zero risk from whatever it is, in this case, COVID. And we exacted a huge toll on people who had almost no risk from the pandemic, not the least of which were children who had their lives just decimated for three years.

We left a smoldering crater where our economy used to be. And as Ed is now pointing out, we have millions and millions of people who appear to have been harmed. And I'm in Ed's camp. Obviously, I think that the likely culprit by an order of magnitude is the vaccine. So let's start with that. Ed, obviously, you've been focusing on all-cause mortality and disability rather than on VAERS itself. But I think it's important, the two things dovetail. The VAERS theirs, the vaccine adverse event reporting system, because it isn't a perfect system. But it's what we've got. And I think people need to understand it is owned by. I didn't design this. This wasn't designed by a group of right-wing nuts who are MAGA Trump supporters. Their system is owned by the CDC and HHS. It's their system. They designed it. They designed it as the proverbial canary in the coal mine, early warning system to capture those

signals, to capture a signal being something that otherwise might not be clear to them from a study, but indicate that there's an issue going on. So I think that what we are seeing in VAERS and the massive number of vaccine injuries, it would be unfair to parse those out and not dovetail those to exactly what you are seeing. I assume you've spent some amount of time looking at the VAERS data itself in addition to actually all-cause mortality. Is that correct? It's on our website. We have the analysis of some of the VAERS data and hospitalization

linked to vaccines. I have not publicly talked about that because it's a complicated story. I just like to keep to simple things, but we've looked at VAERS. There's a part of our website that speaks to it. And we're into the analyst mosaic. So different pieces of the puzzle all point to the same thing. So we have US Bureau of Labor statistics, we got VAERS, hospitalization rates, vaccine uptake, disabilities, vaccine uptake. We have work time data, vaccine uptake. We have work time data, a vaccine uptake. We got excess mortality

vaccine. So we're kind of getting at it the way we would on Wall Street. We're never going to have perfect information before we make our decision because by the time we do, we miss the opportunity. So we're speaking to you as investment people with a thesis, and we're conclusive on our thesis that it is the vaccines, and if we're on Wall Street and this was of trade, we'd be all in on the trade that the vaccines are the cause. And then we would hope that eventually, you know, the press and the medical establishment will figure it out, you know, in time.

But the trend is the trend and it's going on now. And we're not going to wait for some authority figure to tell us, yes, you're correct. That's not how you make money. And that's why we're bringing unique insight, because this is how we think. No, exactly. So you are the consummate data or pattern analyzer. You have come to these conclusions looking really purely at the all-death, all-cause mortality data and the disability data, but it is 100% supported, I guess I would say,

by the data that comes out of VAERS. It would say the exact same thing. If you looked at that, you would come to the same conclusions. And that's on our website. That's on our website. So I think it's supportive. And the idea that the naysayers would push back on VAERS and say that for some reason, for some anomaly in this particular case that people have been over-reporting these things to VAERS when they never did this in the past, I think is really implausible. I can't understand any way you would sort of validate that or say that there's a reason. And frankly, all the studies would indicate that VAERS data is grossly under-reported. Harvard did a study years ago

indicating that VAERS probably captures a small fraction of the actual number of adverse events that happen to vaccines because it's an onerous system and it relies, it's incumbent upon the individual largely and perhaps the physician to take the time to fill it out. And that's not exactly the first thing that's on your mind when you end up with a vaccine injury is, oh, let me quick run to the internet and see if I can report this. So suffice to say, I think that your data is clearly supported by what we're seeing in VAERS. And I want to give you plenty of time to, go ahead. Well, first of all, I believe to report a fraudulent VAERS incident is against the law. You can be prosecuted for it.

Number two, when I understand these forms, the fields you have to fill require some knowledge, and usually doctors do this. And it's not something a layperson can just reproduce hundreds and hundreds of them to fake the data. This would have been discovered a long time ago if it was the case, in my humble opinion. I agree with you. It would take thousands and tens of thousands of false reports in a concerted effort and a coordinated effort. And I think it's simply implausible. I want to give you all the time that you want to discuss any of the new data. But before we went on the show, you and Drew and I were talking about the broader topic of fraud, fraud that, and you were relaying, and I wanted you to talk a little bit

about a radio ad that you heard in Hawaii and Maui with regard to the vaccine. So let's start with that, the radio ad that you thought was misleading, let's call it. Yeah, so I pay attention to details. That's the nature of what I've done my whole life. In February of 2021, driving around, I listen to the radio, I'm old. And while driving around listening to the radio, they said to go, be sure to go get your COVID-19 vaccines. They've been approved by the FDA.

And at the time in February, they were authorized under an emergency use authorization by the FDA. And there's a distinction. And that was somehow tossed out the window and they gave the impression that these had already been approved by the FDA in February of 2021.

And I'm sure this kind of. Light a hand on the radio ads was not just you know directed to Maui County I'm sure this happened all over the place. So that was one of the that was one of the things that really I irritated me early on in this whole

affair. In addition all the anecdotal. Reports I was hearing from friends and loved ones so. I you know and then the the the the propaganda campaign that we're all familiar with at this point. So that's just one little bit of fraud

that I saw over the airwaves. Right, so here, yeah, so here we are, and I'm here to tell you, so that was February of 21. Now it's May of 23. And I hate to be the, you know, the spoiler, but there is still no FDA approved vaccine for COVID available in the United States. And I think this was purposeful, slight of hand by the FDA and by the powers that be. There was a singular vaccine made by Pfizer under the brand name Comirnaty that was FDA approved, but it is not available in the United

States. So they did a sleight of hand that allowed Pfizer to continue to use their EUA, emergency use authorization vaccines, to use up this huge stockpile of them that they had. Anybody in the United States who gets, as of today, May 8th, 2023, who gets a vaccine for COVID in the United States is not getting an FDA approved product because one does not exist, is not available in the US. And people, I think, don't know that. They have been led, as you said, through these radio ads and other things, have been led to believe that they're getting an FDA approved product and they're not. And it's absolutely false advertising. And I think these are the sorts of things that Americans should be aware of.

We were also talking about our good friend, Rochelle Walensky, the leader of the PAC after Anthony Fauci, you know, she was one of the forward faces of this debacle in my mind. She just stepped down. I think she technically resigned from her position as a CDC director. And I found the timing of it interesting because it corresponded to the end, the official end of the pandemic. It ended, I think, two days ago, remarkably. I mean, how they decide these things is beyond me. But I became aware that Rochelle Walensky, it turns out, it appears that Rochelle Walensky was never sworn in to the CDC. And the reason she was never sworn in to the CDC. And the reason she was never sworn in is because she failed to submit the required affidavit within 30 days of her appointment, indicating that she did not pay or exchange any monies

in order to get this position. Furthermore, that document that Caleb just showed, which is the official affidavit that she failed to submit, shows very clearly her position was never to be the director of the CDC. It was to be a senior advisor. So it sort of begs the question, who the hell is running the government in the United States? Because Rochelle Walensky was never the director.

She wasn't sworn in. I mean, this is crazy. I mean, thoughts. I'm interested in yours and Drew's thoughts on this. I am absolutely apoplectic. That leaves me speechless. It seems like another potential bureaucratic trick to get around maybe testifying. I was never the CDC director. I can't testify. Who knows? But what I do know is her resignation

on Friday was abrupt. Normally, if she had done such a great job, she would have been all over the talk shows. She would already have an appointment at some firm somewhere. This seems kind of sudden and abrupt. I don't know if she saw it coming. I can only speculate. But the telltale signs of success are absent in her mysterious disappearance on Friday afternoon. That's interesting.

Yeah, there was no, no farewell tour, no, uh, thank you. Uh, all handshakes all around. There was just a, I'm leaving my job here is done. And by the way, I don't know about you guys, but I didn't hear her moving towards the door or suggesting that her position had changed because this thing was winding down. It was the same shrill, frankly, nonsense that was back from the beginning, which this panic porn, just you've got to do this. Did you, by the way, I'll ask Kelly first, did you notice Chelsea Clinton is on the stump now? And I couldn't tell if that was childhood vaccines or covid vaccines for children

but it all seemed particularly um interesting to me she is now leading the charge for in her forced vaccinations without parental consent for children who have not just for covid but for anything for which children have they're calling it like the great ketchup or something, the great vaccine ketchup. They're going to take kids who have not been fully vaccinated for whatever it is, measles, mumps, chickenpox, you know, rubella, and catch them up. And Chelsea Clinton is leading the charge on this it's absolutely um frankly it was it was awful it was really somewhat chilling the idea of vaccinating children uh without the without parental consent is already so objectionable i just don't even know where to where to start

uh but i think with rochelle walensky i think you know she kind of quietly slipped out the back door when it was submitted because this paperwork was submitted to the U.S. Attorney's Office less than 24, 48 hours before she resigned. I think essentially it said, you better get out of here because it turns out you were never sworn in. You're resigning from a position you actually never had. Do you think that was it? Do you think that was it? Or do you think there's a brewing storm ahead that that she you know so much of what she said i love the people i i think you said you you noticed one of my tweets

i think all i remember tweeting about her was uh vanaya prasad put down all the things she said like about 10 different things that maybe it was 20 different things that turned out to be categorically, absolutely incorrect and possibly even dangerous. And she didn't, to my knowledge, go back on any of it. No, I mean, she was the one who notoriously said, turns out the vaccines don't prevent COVID and they don't prevent transmission. You know, other than that. But she did. I guess what I'm saying is she didn't is she didn't say, she said science changed.

She didn't say, you know, I got that one wrong. Maybe I shouldn't have been so forceful in my position. I may be a little hubristic in that. Maybe next time I'll, you know, soften my approach as opposed to, again, this thus saith the Lord mandate on high. And then here we see, as Ed made a chill go down my spine when he suggested that this affidavit is a representation of bureaucratic shenanigans to avoid liability. If this had been five years ago, I would have thought, oh, come on, you got to be kidding ed now i'm like oh no again here we go but that's what i'm suggesting drew that's what i'm suggesting about the the um this false

advertising about the vaccines being fda approved i think again that was i called it slight of hand i think it's bureaucratic shenanigans yes that's what i'm yes i agree many of those many opportunities for that right the pharmaceutical companies to to have liability protection uh while they use these eua you know products versus one that's actually fda approved so i don't want to by the way kelly before you before you go back to add one quick thing one quick I found it odd the way they slipped in the bivalent booster into the EUA and canceled the other EUA for the old vaccines that are extra super useless. But what, how did, I didn't know, what's, is there, was that another bureaucratic sleight of hand? Is there a legal precedent for that? It seemed just, it just went with no uh conversation absolutely and then they

had no data by the way patients i gotta tell you patients today asked me should i take the bivalent booster and one 90 year old i said yeah you've had no reactions if you want to do that sounds like a good idea maybe you should very fragile uh and but to the rest of them i went i have no data i don't know i don't know whether you should take this thing or not yet right at least with the last one you had eight mice yeah that you had the big study with eight mice this one you don't even have eight freaking mice we have a good question what's that we have a good question on one ball okay we got two butts i want to say thanks to skip five there is there evidence that the early use of the vaccine saved lives or reduced sickness?

Okay, so this is a, he's asking a very interesting question. Okay, you're shaking your head already. But the question really in my mind, I feel like it might have interrupted the momentum of the alpha and delta phase of this thing. Whether it saved a net number of lives is a questionable answer. But maybe you want to, I'll step back, and you had some stuff you want to talk to Ed about, and you can answer that in the course of what you want to talk to Ed about, perhaps. Well, I guess I don't want to put Ed on the spot to talk about politics if you're not prepared to do so. But one of the things I think that's important and I was thrilled to see is that you are

now holding a really important position in Bobby Kennedy's announced run for the White House. And I think that if nothing else, Bobby was a friend of mine and a friend of this show, has been very outspoken about, and I don't call him anti-vaccine. I call him pro-freedom, pro-safety, pro-data, but ultimately pro-freedom. Talk, if you feel comfortable about it, a little bit about his stance on this, again, from a purely not anti-vaccine perspective, but a pro-freedom of choice? Yeah. So I joined the campaign primarily because of the Freedom First platform that he's going under, protect the Bill of Rights and medical autonomy and avoid medical tyranny. And look, we all, any of us with eyes have seen during this COVID

debacle, tyranny and totalitarianism creeping its way into our way of life. And so I'm standing up against that. And I don't agree with Bobby on every issue, but it seems like we need some adults in the room. He's a man of truth and integrity. And he speaks, he has values that he acts on, and he sticks to those values. Does that mean he's going to, when he gets new information, he won't change his mind? No, he'll change his mind if he's proven wrong. But that's why I'm with Bobby. Don't agree on every issue, but without freedom, we're really kicking sand around the sandbox.

All these other topics that I don't agree with them on, don't matter if we don't have freedoms. That's why I'm with them. Yeah. Well, I think if nothing else, independent of what you might've seen with regard to fraud in the government or whatever else, this pandemic showed me certainly how terrifyingly quickly people were willing to give up their civil liberties when put in a position of fear, how quickly people were willing to do things that the government had no right to require them to do, close their businesses, stay home from church, keep their children out of school, not be able to travel. These are rights that people have that supersede anything the government can say. But people so willingly handed over the reins

to essentially their entire lives, I found it terrifying. And I think that in and of itself is something that would drive a lot of people, independent of their previous politics, over to support somebody like Bobby Kennedy, because again, has nothing to do with his stance necessarily on the vaccines per se. It's his defense of civil liberties, defense of our Bill of Rights, that I think is so critically important. What, you know, other than, you know, your interest that brought you there because of what you're doing right now with regard to these vaccine injuries,

are there other things that you have talked with Bobby about that, you know, beyond the vaccine issue? Just the general fact that our institutions have been captured, a lot of our institutions. Bobby was an environmental lawyer most of his life. He's worked with a lot of these institutions and the bureaucracies, and he's seen what's gone on. It's been basically a fusion of corporate

and government interests. It's a corporate hegemony. And that's what we're fighting. We're fighting basically neo-fascism. I mean, it's a fusion of government and corporations. You look what happened with Pfizer, they basically got to sell a product under the color of law that you had to take.

That's just pure insanity in my mind. And that's the kind of stuff that I'm fighting against. I want to get back to, you know, and again, we have this country now that's so divided with it's like my team or your team. It's not, life isn't that black and white, it's gray. And we're going to get back to gray where we can civilly debate things. And the other thing he's going to do is introduce conversations into the marketplace of ideas that currently aren't allowed to be talked about. And that's another reason I'm on

board. So, you know, I'm on board. I don't have to agree with him on everything, but he seems to have truth and integrity, which I think is a new trend. It's a small trend. But the leaders of tomorrow are going to have it because the current crop of leaders on both sides of the red and blue team don't have it in my mind not perfect segue perfect segue because the another thing you and i were talking about with drew before we went came on was um i had this conversation via twitter over the weekend with regard to Senator Cornyn, John Cornyn, from the great state of Texas. And he has been, it was unbelievable to me that a sitting Senator made statements in one single sentence, he made four grossly erroneous, you know, factual errors with regard

to the COVID vaccines. In his defense of his, you know, supporting these vaccines, he said, number one, the FDA approved vaccines for COVID, as we've just talked about, there aren't any, that are used to prevent the infection with COVID and the transmission of COVID, which you and I both know is patently absurd, they do neither, and even the vaccine manufacturers acknowledge they don't prevent infection or prevent transmission. And he said, these vaccines have been proven

to be safe and effective in one sentence. So here's a guy who's making laws, he's a legislator. He's one of the dudes who votes on whether or not we have to take these things, whether our children have to take them, whether or not we can travel without taking them, whether or not we can go to work without taking them, whether I as a physician can work in healthcare without taking them. He's one of the people voting and he is so factually misinformed as to be, I mean, it's a combination of terrifying and absolutely

unacceptable. And your thoughts on the matter were that they're kind of just lazy, which I thought was interesting. Yeah, in many ways, or they're just, they're so entrenched in their ego and they can't give up the position that they held it you know you can't rationalize facts with someone whose position is based on emotion and that's I learned that on Wall Street and it's one of these cognitive dissonance things that unfortunately have to deal with it's humans can I comment on Chelsea Clinton for a second oh yeah please do I to be honest when I saw that on Twitter I thought it was fake I couldn't I, I actually said to myself, there's no way at this point in the game she would

come out and say that. That's patently absurd, but it's proven to be true. So I think it's, I'm a cynical guy. I'm like, why would you do that now? I think they're trying to give a lifeline to some of the people in their camp that became religious about this and to make them feel like that they still have the backing of at least someone in that regime and to not lose people to Bobby Kennedy. Because as people find out that maybe they were betrayed, Bobby Kennedy could rise in

the polls. So I think it's a wedge issue in my mind. I don't think she, I don't, that's, what she's saying is so beyond the pale and crazy, it's not going to happen. But there's a certain segment of the population that wants to see that. Yeah, it's interesting. Yes.

It's interesting that, so you see it as a political maneuver to push back on RFK Jr.'s position. Hey, Ed, I wonder if you wanna present the graphs that you have, sort of bring home the economic impact of not just vaccine injury, but the whole pandemic situation. Yeah, let's put up graph number two.

That's the economic impact. Is that graph one? Yeah, there's the economic cost. The injuries I talked about earlier with Dr. Drew, the same categories, injured, disabled, and dead. We measured what we could. So we measured lost wages from the national accounts. And these are the numbers we came up with. The excess deaths cost the economy $5.6 billion, the disabilities 52.2 billion, and the injuries in terms of work time lost 90 billion. So that's 150 billion in 2022.

What we can't measure is the productivity losses. And those are multipliers of the hard numbers because that has to be replaced. There's knock-on effects. There are people going to work that are presenting as absent a lot. They're probably not feeling well a lot. So when they are there, their productivity is below 100%, let's call it 50, 75%. Then you have the workers that are not presenting as absent and sick having to step up and fill

in for those that are constantly missing work. And then those who are disabled, some family members have to take care of the disabled, taking the doctor's appointments. So there's a lot of costs we can't measure. So the $150 billion is what we could measure. It's probably anywhere from two to ten X that amount depending upon what you want to do with the productivity

number so this is. Is a big big deal. And the other thing I want to bring home is that- we do economic analysis. And- in our economic analysis we're looking at. The unemployment number which is three point five percent. If you

incorporate our vaccine damage report which we have. We think unemployment because the labor pool is smaller than actually- which is 3.5%. If you incorporate our vaccine damage report, which we have, we think unemployment, because the labor pool is smaller than actually, what people believe it to be, unemployment is actually 2.5%. So the Fed, so this has policy error implications. The Fed looks at employment,

they could keep interest rates too high for too long, not understanding what we think is the reality of the situation that the labor pool has shrunk and if that's the case it could cause damage to the economy that they otherwise if they had this information they wouldn't make that case how do you how could they document that the labor pool is shrunken well because we well we from our numbers, we're just imputing that we're... So we think about a percent between the work time lost and the disabled, that productivity has to be replaced. So we're imputing that the unemployment number is actually lower because the labor pool is

smaller. So there's just not enough in the labor pool to meet the supply. So the Fed, it thinks, is looking at the economy and saying, oh, you know, unemployment is still pretty tight. We've got to keep rates high for longer. But it's actually not. It's not that things are well. It's that things are bad and you're miscalculating. And it's the way that they calculate the unemployment number. It's a very wonky way that they do it. And it's only those that are able and willing to work. And those numbers shift around quite a bit. So we think that this has not only dire economic consequences, it's having policy implications that could be even more dire if the Fed keeps the interest rates too high for too long.

What about your first set of graphs? The first set was the injuries. I'll reiterate the numbers. So that's the human cost. So it's human cost, about 300,000 excess deaths, 1.36 million disabled, and 26.6 million. There's an extensive documentation of all these numbers. If you're wanting to disprove us, debunk us, or even agree with us, we got on our website

how we get to these numbers. Rather than bore you guys with how we got to it. Financetechnologies.com. Financetechnologies.com spelled PH. It's under the vaccine damage report. So this is kind of the coming together of all the different pieces and parts we've been working on since June of last year. This is kind of our conclusive report and we're not done with the vaccine issue.

We're going to continue to update the numbers, but we're not sitting around saying we need to prove we're of the opinion, we're right, we're moving on, but we'll update you as numbers come out and but because you're looking at by the way and you've done brilliant work but because you're looking at employment numbers you by definition are looking at people between the ages of 18 and what 59 um if you 16 and 64 16 16 and 64 So then if you look at people between the ages of 12 and 16, the next tranche down, that you aren't looking at because they are not in the employee, and look at the number of those, that 10 million or whatever fall into that age category, and the number who have been potentially injured there, we have to look at what's coming into the workforce, what percentage of people that in that

age group have been harmed and will not enter the workforce at the time they normally would because they have an injury or a disability that will prohibit them from actually... And I don't think anybody's looked at that yet. We know that the number of kids, a large number of kids have been injured. It's hard to get your arms around exactly what the numbers are, but it will be interesting to see if fewer people at that tipping point who would normally enter the age, the workforce, say at age 18, don't because there's a decrease in able-bodied people. Yeah. And so that's why we think our numbers are conservative because we don't capture under 16 or over 65.

Right. So this is human cost to those who probably could work and those who are employed and the numbers associated with that. So that's why we said our numbers are conservative. Have you had any ability, Ed, to look at these numbers in the U.S. compared to elsewhere in the world, other heavily vaccinated countries, for example, or compared to other heavily vaccinated countries versus countries that are not significantly vaccinated to see what their impact on their labor force has been?

No, we don't have that data, but we're gonna start looking at, we potentially will look at UK disability data because they have actually a more robust system than ours. It's called the yellow card system. We're working on that. We have looked at excess mortality in all of Europe, Germany, Ireland, UK, Australia,

and the US. Canada seems to be a third world country at this point. They don't know how to count dead people anymore, so they haven't updated their death roll. But any data source that we think is good, and we have to vet the data source and make sure there's no noise and it's not compromised, we will look at. But for the most part, we're going to continue to update all our excess mortality numbers. We're going to continue to update our disability reports and our US numbers. But we're not in the business of trying to prove anything anymore. Our conclusion is it's the vaccine.

If it's not the vaccine, somebody should be talking about this, what we call a pandemic. There's pandemic numbers right now, but silence. Are you getting any traction other than the occasional outlier? Obviously, you've got people like Bobby Kennedy and Senator Ron Johnson and a handful of others.

Are you getting any traction from anyone in a position of presumed authority saying, wow, we will look at this, we will take action, we will do some sort of analysis of our own and take this under advisement? Well, I've been hoping to get reached out to by the COVID Investigation Committee. I think Marjorie Taylor Greene is setting that up. I've not heard anything yet from her. I'm not chastising her, just maybe she's busy and doesn't know about me. But I will say this, I do think as we roll through time, unfortunately it takes time.

State medical budgets are going to start to feel the brunt and impact of this. And I think state's attorney generals, like they did with the tobacco, big tobacco, once they realize the impact of their systems and their budget, are going to be the ones that get the discovery on what's going on here. And they're the ones that are going gonna break to the mainstream blockade. Out right right now they're just there it doesn't seem to be. Anyone really other than you know myself the good

frontline doctors Bobby Kennedy Senator Ron Johnson is really not a lot of people. Doing this Josh Sterling the insurance executive has had some success. In forming a group of- the coalition of insurance executives called the coalition to save lives, insurance coalition to save lives. And they are looking at the

vaccine. It's one of many things they're looking at. So it's not off the table like it was before. And their idea is to alert as many in the industry to the fact that we have a big problem coming unless we take care of it now. Well, also, as we were talking about, if a handful of attorneys get wind of some of these things that you and I are calling fraudulent, whether it's with regard to fraudulent advertising, the vaccines to be FDA approved or whatever it is. The fact that these vaccine manufacturers kept information from the public that they had prior to the rollout. They knew,

for example, they knew much of the safety data wasn't there. They knew of the risks about everything from myocarditis to the profound impact on fertility. It's clear from the FOIA documents that they had that information at their behest before they ruled them out. I think if a handful of attorneys get a hold of this and get their teeth into it, I think it could become potentially a free-for-all with lawsuits and the liability protection would ultimately go away, I believe. And that could change things as well. Have you seen any motion towards that? Well, I can tell you, I purview to the fact that there's something called litigation finance and pools of money are going to be raised to pick the best cases and make big returns

as things roll forward. So Wall Street is already talking about litigation finance. Interesting. The reason I say this to your audience, Dr. Drew, is because Wall Street's not going to advertise this. They're just going to do it. So just know that there's people behind the scenes who are looking to profit off this and that as sick as that sounds. It needs to be done because it will justice will come that way and so when Wall Street smells something it's usually ahead of the curve and this is again I just want your audience to know that you know we're not crazy there's things going on behind the scenes to you know mitigate the uh

lawsuit risk and do what's called litigation financing it's it's a tool can you give us a hint a hint of where that's going to be focused where do they see the weak spots or the they're going to go after five they're going to go after pfizer they're going to go after employers they might you know they might try to go after some government regulatory agencies, but their better bet is Pfizer and employers. There's no money from the government regulators. No, no. And they'll delay it for years.

That's sad because those are the ones that really need to be smacked. They're the ones that really, you know, have the most to have been the most egregious and need to learn the most. Well, I'll tell you the pharmaceutical companies right up there. Well, and again, I don't think, I don't think what the, what these litigation finance people, they're not disgusting. What's disgusting is it's gotten to this point where we need to raise funds to do this rather than the normal method of adjudication, which should have been, again, regulatory agencies

should have stopped this a long time ago, in my humble opinion. No, we've been calling for it. I join people like Dr. Peter McCullough in saying we've been calling for, I certainly, I joined people like Dr. Peter McCullough in saying, we've been calling for, you know, well over a year now for a complete repeal of all of the vaccines from the market. The safety data is clear. I think the data are unassailable that this is from the vaccines. And we, not only are they not effective in stopping people from contracting COVID, they aren't effective at stopping transmission. They now we have evidence based on that huge study from the Cleveland Clinic of negative efficacy, meaning the more shots you get, the higher the risk you are of getting COVID. You know, I think we have irrefutable evidence that these vaccines are problematic.

What was that thing from Japan? I saw a weird thing flying around Twitter where some guy had a data in front of him. It was a Japanese study saying that mortality went up as vaccines or something. I didn't really pay attention to it, but I saw it flying around today. Did you see that at all? Yes, I've seen it. And I've known about this issue for about six months. One of my insurance whistleblowers has been looking at the Japan data.

And this person told me that they did well in the early days of COVID in terms of excess deaths. And they looked like they were, you know, because ivermectin was freely offered. But then once the vaccine came out, now they're seeing excess deaths rise very fast. So Japan may be an interesting case study because they had early treatment and as opposed to the U.S. where we didn't. And then the deaths started rolling in as the vaccines came in. So that may be a case study that helps us crack the case. We haven't looked at the Japanese data yet, but I need to look at it. Carlos and Yuri, my two partners, need to look at it. But there seems to be evidence pointing that that could be an interesting case study because they did have

not that many deaths during most of the COVID outbreak compared to after. I hate to keep leaning on you, but I would love to have you come back when you have looked at that data, because it did look rather striking and there were some very convincing folks involved with it. And I don't know if it's real or not, but I would be interested to hear your interpretation.

No, I will if we do it. And again, I've been hearing about this for six months. So it's like when I hear something before it appears on Twitter, I'm more comfortable with it. Well, we also want to look at excess deaths in places that are largely unvaccinated. As I said, places like sub-Saharan Africa and India. And people say, well, you know, you can choose one of two things. Either they don't have excess deaths because they didn't get the vaccines, or they don't have excess deaths because they got early treatment with ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. It's one or the other or a combination of the two. The U.S. response was abysmal. We lived through therapeutic nihilism. We did not allow physicians to treat with the readily available, safe and effective drugs that we had.

We foisted instead these untested vaccines on them. And we are paying the price exponentially compared to places that didn't do those things. And I think this I maintain. Did you guys see? Our health authorities. Go ahead. Our health authorities getting up. compared to places that didn't do those things. And I think this, I maintain. Did you guys see? Our health authorities. Go ahead. Our health authorities get an epic fail across the board.

It doesn't matter, you know. Yeah. 2020, 21, and 22. Have you guys seen this new, I think it's an Iranian vaccine. Is that a protein vaccine from out of Iran? Have you seen that flying around too? And it'd be interesting to see if that, that's a non-mRNA platform.

It'd be interesting to see what happens with that. Again, it's getting, it's getting a little bit wild out there. I haven't seen that, although clearly, you know, AstraZeneca,

the other non-mRNA vaccines were significantly safer. They're still unnecessary. I would still maintain they were unnecessary. The vast majority of the population wasn't at significant risk from this thing in the first place, but there's no question that the non-mRNA vaccines have a significantly better safety profile

by an order of magnitude. Caleb, you have something you want to ask? Yes. Yeah. I just had a really... Finish, Ed, then I'll ask. It's a quick question. Finish. Real quick. I just want to point out that on our website, we do a deep dive analysis of the mRNA clinical trials that we had to get through lawsuits. They were going to hide the data for 75 years. So keep that in mind. We were available. We got this data because someone, I think Aaron Suri sued, and we got the data.

And there was a study done, it's on our website, a peer reviewed study that showed 1 in 800 severe adverse events. And from that data, we imputed that what we're seeing in the real world was the same order of magnitude meaning that they knew then they should have stopped this i mean this this trade if this was a normal drug trial dr drew as you well know that this is this would have been stopped and this and if this is a single stock company would have been down 90 the next day i'm noticing though there's a there's a concerted effort to accumulate data about downstream effects of COVID itself. And some of it may be real, I don't know. And I feel like

they're trying to build a case that if we can really show those excess downstream consequences, that then the risk of the vaccine starts to make sense again. Or really what you do, Drew, is you simply obfuscate and you make it so that if you can chip away at the control group, that group of us who was never vaccinated at all, and you can claim that everything is related to COVID and is a long time, you know, long downstream effect of COVID, then you can make it appear that the vaccines are not the problem. So you need to maintain that control group, people like myself who had COVID, never got vaccinated, and haven't had any long-term effects of any sort. So we cannot allow them to continue to denigrate the control group because it's our only hope, frankly, I think, of ultimately proving

that it was the vaccines and not COVID itself. That and the pathology, people like Ryan Pohl, who are pushing to do actual tissue staining that can differentiate between the spikes that occur from the virus versus the spike proteins that occur as a result of the vaccines. It's very clear to differentiate those with the appropriate staining, but no one seems particularly motivated to do that. And Caleb? Yeah, just a real quick question, Ed. So as you're continuing to look through all of this data from your perspective now that you've gotten a lot deeper in it, is it looking like the pandemic is more accidental or is it sliding more towards appearing intentional from what you're seeing? You know, I wasn't in the room. If there was a plan, I wasn't in the room.

And at this point, it doesn't matter. What I can tell you is we have a pandemic right now, whether, and I believe it's the vaccines, let's pretend it's not. Why are we silent about these numbers? Lost work time, excess deaths and disabilities. I mean, this is worse than it was in 2020, and here we are ending the pandemic. We have a pandemic of something. I'm calling it the pandemic of the vaccinated,

but if I'm wrong, that's fine, but why aren't we talking about this? And I think that gives a lot of the vaccinated, but I'm wrong. That's fine. But why aren't we talking about this? And that, I think that gives a lot of the answer. Right. Exactly. Yep. Well, we are sort of rolling to a stop here and Kelly, thank you so much. And did you finish what you needed to say about Dr. Walensky? I feel like we got a little, a lot of it before the show. I did. I just, well, I just, as I said, I think, you know, even in a banana Republic,

they pay attention to people getting sworn in and people having the position they were actually tapped to do only in this administration in the U S do we have people who, who don't actually complete the paperwork and end up serving a term doing a position that they were never even entitled to? It's really terrifying. It makes you wonder who's pulling the strings in this administration. I find it just absolutely unbelievable. But, Ed, thank you, as always. You are a wealth of information, and I think you put it in a way that people find it very,

very digestible. And again, I think the fact that you are not a physician, that you're not a scientist, that you don't come out of the pharmaceutical world makes you wildly credible because you're reporting things as you see them, you're observing them, and you've got a way with crunching the data that I think is really important. So thank you for your tireless efforts on that. And I'm with Drew, please, let's make a plan for you to come back and share the next tranche of data. Absolutely. And I hope to bring good news. I hope these trends reverse and I'll report them. I'm not vested in bad news.

I'm vested in good news, too. So if it gets better, I'll let you know. And I'm interested in your interpretation of the Japanese data, too, whether we've gotten anything there of note. All right, you guys, thank you so much. And, Ed, you want to push out, again, it's financetechnologies.com, P-H-I-N-A-N-C-E, technologies. Anywhere else you'd like people to go?

Cause Unknown, there's the book. Cause Unknown, if you have loved ones that don't understand and think you're crazy, this is a good primer. And also I'm on Twitter at dot Edward, D-O-W-D, Edward. Elon put me back on. And I'm also on Getter at Edward Dowd. Great. Terrific. All right, you guys. And on Getter at Edward Dowd. Great. Terrific. All right, you guys.

And Kelly, I'll see you tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yeah. And Ed, we will see him whenever he'd like to come back and give us more data. There you go. It is Nikolai Petrovsky. We'll talk about that. And May 15th, back with Nicole Sapphire.

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