Ask Dr. Drew - Epstein Files Bombshells: █████ But ████ She █████ Bill Clinton. What Are Redactions Hiding That’s So Much Worse Than The Country Is Already Imagining? w/ Shane Cashman, Emilie Hagen, Peachy Keenan – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 570

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

The DOJ released the Epstein Files to the public, finally revealing what the American people have been demanding to know: “████ ████ ██, but ██████ San█a Cla█se and the E████r Bunny ███ did not ███.” Despite campaign promises to fully release the Epstein Files, government officials continue to delay documents related to the Jeffery Epstein case – only revealing a subset of heavily redacted files. Many legal experts are saying the DOJ is now in direct violation of Pres. Trump’s November signing of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. Shane Cashman is a writer and host of Tales From the Inverted World on YouTube. He is the author of Tales From the Inverted World: Ghosts of the Civil War and reports on technology, land use, and culture. Follow at https://x.com/ShaneCashman⠀Emilie Hagen is an independent journalist covering the Jeffrey Epstein case and high-profile criminal trials. She publishes investigative reporting through her Substack and social platforms. Learn more at https://emiliehagen.substack.com⠀Peachy Keenan is an author, comedian, and cultural commentator. She wrote Domestic Extremist: A Practical Guide to Winning the Culture War and writes about family, feminism, and domestic life. Follow at https://x.com/keenanpeachy 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Shane Cashman joins me in just a moment. Of course, Shane is writer and host of Tales from the Inverted World on YouTube. He's author of Tales of Inverted World, Ghost of the Civil War, reports on technology, amongst other things, land-use culture. Then Emily Hagan swings by to give us an update on all things, Epstein. There's a lot to talk about there. Most of it's redacted. And then finally, Peachie Keenan, author, comedian, cultural commentator,

she wrote Domestic Extremist Practical Guide to Winning the Culture Wars So we're going to go at it From the standpoint of I think she identifies as a trad wife But first up it is There it is there is the Pitchie Keen And I assume that name is made up

But let's get to it with Shane Cashman You can follow Shane at shane atcashman At Gmail Be right back after this Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this right. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction.

Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a second. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat.

You have trouble, you can't stop, and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. a lot more to say. Let's bring Shane right in here. First, Shane, I want to apologize. I didn't mean to do that. It's Shane Cashman on,

Shane Cashman.com and Shane Cashman on X. We will expunge that from the recorded version of the show. I'm going to forward all the emails to you. Okay, please. I deserve it. Go right ahead. Oh, my goodness. What a gap. I've been sick for a week and I just, my brain is not working right at all. That is categorical proof of that. But we're talking a little AI and there's so much to get into it that I'm interested in your thoughts on it. Is AI going to change everything? Because it seems now that it's sort of dumb and it hallucinates. And it's, it makes things a little more efficient, I suppose, but it's not changing life. What do you say? AI is dumb, and it is a human centipede of everything that we've already put on the internet. However, people are outsourcing all of their creativity and work and isolation to the machine. So despite it being dumb, we've sacrificed so much of our daily lives to this machine that it'll make it smarter for sure.

Look how much it's advanced in the past two years. But it will get to a point where it does take over, even if it's not the smart. machine yet. So as it gets smarter, we get dumber, which is very, that seems to be another rule of technology. Yeah, look at how, you know, despite everyone having access to the internet at 24-7, children's reading levels are stuck at like 6th, 7th grade, you know, like they're not getting better at reading. So just because we have this new, quote-unquote, great technology doesn't mean that now

everyone's going to be smarter and better off. It just means that we're allowing it to take over every facet of reality, from the government to art to education. And now we have difficulty creating enough energy for these, what do we call them, these devices. I saw where, is it the executive branch, is the Congress thinking about this, requiring that if you build an AI, if you build a data center, you also may require to build a certain amount of infrastructure for the power.

Have you seen that? Yeah, they're looking into different avenues on how to fix that. There's nuclear energy that they're looking into. Some are even thinking about building them in outer space to have more energy. But the problem right now is we don't have enough energy, but we're building data centers at such a fast clip. So it's devouring farmland across the country. And now the people who are in the areas where the data centers are,

are the ones subsidizing the energy cost. So I know people in Maryland, Virginia, Idaho, Texas, they live near these data center hubs. And they've seen their electricity bills double, triple in the past year or two, even though they're using the same amount of electricity as they did years prior. And that's because data centers, which kind of hold, they're like these digital mausoleums of all of these computers that train AI. is because every day they use about 400,000 electric cars worth of energy to run themselves

while also drinking 5 million, sometimes gallons of water to help keep the machines cool. So not only are people paying more for electric to help run these data centers, they're also paying more in their water bills to help keep them cool. And then we build them in the desert, perfect thinking as far as it goes for the water and the heat. Do you think it seems like I mostly hear about space from Elon Musk. Do you think that that is a realistic plan? He talks about it as though it's going to happen. Yeah, he's already talking right now about whether they can send self-assembling data centers into outer space or even onto the moon, which might already be happening with China, for all we know.

But I think that is the case. We already see deep underground bunkers. with data centers, like in Jerusalem, Oracle has helped build those data centers that are way below ground to be safe from war. But I also think it's to keep it safe from people. Once the people realize how damaging the data centers will be to everything in the world, including the physical world, but also our own perception of the reality, they're going to want to unplug it. And they're going to want to keep it far away from anywhere where we have the ability to unplug it. What is that doomsday scenario you imagine?

Well, it could be multiple things. Maybe AI never gets much better, but we've outsourced all of our capabilities to it, kind of like in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia right now pretty much has a government that's run by AI, which consolidated all of their bureaucracy into AI, which goes from ticketing to day-to-day bureaucracy. What? What I see happening, though, that could be really bad,

is that it does get smarter. and we then, over here in America, install our own type of president that is mostly AI. I don't think that's so far-fetched. We already see it in other countries around the world where they have AI governance. And I think it's going to make the surveillance state that we already have way bigger and inescapable.

So that to me is what is most damaging to us. Our privacy will be dead. Our security, they'll say it's for our security, but it'll be dead, you know, because it'll be all in control by the digital machine. I mean, it's, there's always, I always worry about doomsday scenarios with technology because there's, every time there's a leap forward of some type, you, you hear these things. And it usually ends up being better than we anticipate in certain ways and worse in others. And we never quite, yeah, and the ways we, things get bad, we don't really imagine. I mean, I mean, just, there's so many different scenarios around the phone that we'd never imagined. I agree, I agree.

The thing with AI, though, is that everything falls into the black hole of AI, everything. Education, art, war, government, it'll all be absorbed into AI. So that part to me, and the way it will warp our perception of reality is different than anything else. Whether people will say, well, we're like this with the horse and carriage. We were like this with the synthesizer. I think this is far different because it will inevitably lead to replacing humanity. And so I think of the Luddites back in the day who were opposed not to technology. They were opposed to being replaced by mass autonomy.

And that's what AI will do in every possible way. Now, I also think it's a good tool for people to collaborate with, and I'm not opposed to that. I think there are good things that will come out of AI, but we also have to use our own ethics, our own morality when using it. And unfortunately, that is something that our government has done of. And speaking of that, Caleb, you reported on evidence of there being a data center under the new ballroom at the White House. And I'll have you reported on just a second, but one of the things I always find, weird about the, a lot of the reporting about the reconstruction that's going out of the White House. People do understand, there's like a giant military city under the White House, right?

I mean, there's a gigantic infrastructure. My understanding, it's like five stories down. And no one seems to talk about that. Yeah. I mean, when I first heard the rumors about the data center being below the ballroom, I kind of laughed it off. However, Trump's second day in office, this last go-around, is when I realized that, you know, as much as I wanted Trump to win, that second day showed to me that he sold out the American people to Silicon Valley. He did a, he did Project Stargate with Larry Ellison, with Sam Altman, with people that I think are antithetical to freedom and to humanity. And Larry Ellison, who runs Oracle was also, you know, Oracle is the one who built the data centers way below, uh,

ground in Jerusalem. So it's not so far-fetched. And when they announced Project Stargate, that was like a $500 billion shrine to AI, where they were like, we're going to build out AI, and we want to talk about not regulating AI. So it's not so far-fetched to think that they will

just keep building this shrine to AI, considering who Trump has surrounded himself with, which is the Altman's, you know, and the Ellisons and the Musks and the teals. Caleb, we can't quite read that. So go ahead and report there for us. Yeah, so this is a post

and it's from, you know, admittedly it looks like it's an anti-Trump account on X. So it's, you know, take this with a grain of salt. But it looked to me from my browsing of what they were saying that they found these bits and pieces of evidence that leads to the theory that they are secretly building a data

center underneath where they're adding the ballroom to the White House. And on one hand, it's like, well, yes, if they're going to do this and it's going to be so important, well, of course they're going to keep it secret. Of course, it's a military installation. there. But on the other hand, it's like, wow, it's so they followed through the, wow,

this government agency asked for they needed some extra electricity credits. It seemed to match up with the amount you would need for a data center. Then they had this equipment and they started burying things this deep. So they kind of added things up and I just wonder if it seems like this could be legitimate

something that they're working on as like a side path with that ballroom they're building. Well, I think anything's possible. I think seeing as much as this administration has put so much money and power behind the proliferation of AI because they say we are in a new kind of space race with China with AI that anything's possible. And we are watching farmland across this country get devoured by data centers. you know, that is really harmful, I think, to the job market in the physical world and on the internet. So, yeah, I think anything's possible. But like Drew saying, there is also like a military

city beneath the White House. And, you know, Trump does like opulence and he does like ballrooms. But I wouldn't be surprised if they build a data center below the ballroom because Silicon Valley is dancing on the ashes of the middle class. So it makes sense. And so you brought up something interesting. there, which I wanted Drew to ask about as well, which is this, it's really looking like if America doesn't get on board with

AI, everybody else is already doing it. China's, and we don't want China to beat us in this AI race. What are the risks of not doing it? Right. Yeah. The way I look at it is it's unstoppable now, unfortunately. I wish we stopped this earlier because I know humanity, and especially

in the government, there's no morality and there's no ethics, but it's like it's like gain of function. Once they started doing that, everyone's doing it. There's no stopping it. I wish it wasn't the case. And I also don't like regulations so much. But these people who are building the AI, they tried a decade ago to have government do regulations on AI. It didn't work. And now we're kind of having the same debate because Trump wanted to strip all regulations from AI, which he got. So a moratorium on regulations of AI is pretty dangerous.

I just hope my my deepest hope is that this charge to have them produce their own energy will result in these companies actually becoming nuclear energy companies. Fusion, fission, who knows what they'll come up with because they'll be they'll have to do it to survive and they may end up solving some of the energy problems in this country. Yeah, no, there could be positive benefits that come from this like everything and we have to weigh that. I think personally the negative consequences will outweigh the positive with a lot with with, and that's how it is with a lot of the things that they build over the years, you know, that they say is going to help you out. It's, it turns out that it's going to be a much more nefarious consequences in the end. Even a little thing, for example, like the development of Teflon, we want you to have

nonstick pans, but DuPont ended up poisoning, you know, the entire world with the compounds they made to create Teflon. So that's how I feel about it. I saw how they disregarded risk-reward considerations during COVID. It was breathtaking. And that was the people who are the very foundation of their profession is to consider those things. And because they were in the government,

the public health sector, out the window. Did you see the thing just before we came on about wind turbines that I know was Trump or RFK Jr.'s? I saw RFK Jr.'s comment about it. I remember who the first person was. But they said essentially, these turrets, turbines are twice the height of the Washington Monument. They, I forget the number, but they are unable to provide energy efficiently.

And they destroy fisheries. They destroy whales. They destroy the birds. Are we finally going to get over this turbine nonsense? Because it looks, you know, it feeds our imagination. Like, oh, wind. Oh, and we'll get energy from the wind, of course. But the reality, as you say, is always quite different.

Yeah, I don't know anybody who lives near wind turbine. that has anything good to say about them. They seem like a problem. They're always falling apart and they're never getting fixed quick enough. And it was one of my favorite moments from Trump doing Rogan when he said he wants to be a whale psychologist

to look and see how the wind turbines are affecting the whales. You know, let's save the whales. That's really funny. It's very funny. Well, here it is. I'm going to read you what Kennedy said. Offshore wind is bad energy,

bad environmental policy, bad economic policy, kills whales, destroys fisheries, decimates shoreline turbines the turbines some of them

twice the height of the Washington monument navigational hazards disrupt marine that just he just goes on

and on produce energy that is three times the cost of the average price per kilowatt hour that was the part

I couldn't quote so three times the cost what are we doing here what it just we there's there you know Shane I'm beginning to realize

I for a while there I was thinking that my entire perception of reality has been shaped by Don Draper, essentially, some dude on Madison Avenue. But now, I know exactly. But now I'm starting to think that really it's more malignity.

It's a hoaxopoly. It's hoaxes everywhere. One hoax after another. The commercialization of America and the propaganda that comes through it, we can look back to Edward Bernays. They know exactly what they're doing. They had been effectively brainwashing the public for a century at least, and they know that they have to get us on board with some of these new things

to sell us this. That's why Big Pharma is such a problem. We've been hypnotized by Big Pharma for my whole life, and it's a problem. And we're trying to rid ourselves of this now because that is a cancer in our society, and there's much better ways to go about it. But yeah, I think about Mad Men quite a bit and how there's just a boardroom of guys sitting around, thinking about how we can trick the American people into buying our stuff, even if it kills them. it's so and it became so ensconced in everything it's just really i i don't know i i don't have a clear vision of it yet but but i feel like uh i've been duped quite a bit uh yeah and it really requires clear thought clear clear clear vision and constant skepticism to find your way through

well i think that was one of the blessings about covid unfortunately is that that I woke a lot of people up to see, wow, I can't be reliant on the government, finally, and that they lie to us quite a bit. And also, I need to protect my children from these institutions. And that's why we had a lot of angry parents wake up, which is very necessary to look at the problems in the public schools, with, you know, commercial TV, with all that stuff, with the government. And that's why Maha did so well is because it was a lot of people saying, oh, wow, we've been lied too, about maybe everything.

and we need to look at all of that study it, keep asking questions, and figure out how we can move into a better future and raise our children in the world that will hopefully be different than the one we were raised in. Yeah, and connected to reality, which I would look forward to. Hey, before I let you go, I'm curious, I have not read your book, Inverted World's Ghost of the Civil War. Tell me about it, and would you learn?

So I got an email from a gentleman who said he had an old family, family farm, been in the family for generations, predating the American Revolution in Georgia, and that they think that somewhere on it was Confederate gold that went missing after the Civil War, when Jefferson Davis took off from Richmond. So I went down there, I was going to write one article, and that first day turned into a, it was like a circus. Everything was happening. And I said, well, I'm going to spend a lot of time in Georgia, in this town of Washington, Georgia, where the Confederacy was dissolved. And I spent a few months there. And it went into like a witch hunt.

It turned into the gold hunt, a lot of history. And it's a town, speaking of technology, it was a dying town that found a lot of new money in letting Bitcoin open up farms, mining farms there. So now they have money again because this little old town in Georgia has a giant, like, it looks like chicken coops filled with Bitcoin mines that hums. And now they have all this new money because of it. Yeah, but it's a wild book about, you know, threats to my life or looking for gold, history throughout Georgia, Sherman's March to the Sea, and how maybe everyone in that town might have some of that gold. Oh, that's so interesting. Well, I was just told you can stay to have the Epstein conversation. You're willing to stay for a few more minutes with me?

All right. Yeah, let's do it. Yes. Also, don't forget to retweet, Shane, I just sent it to you. And we're going to be, Shane retweeted. He tweeted earlier. And we are going to be joined by Emily Hagen. Emily knows everything on Instagram.

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Yes. I didn't know how they make money doing this, but when you sell the gold, I guess they get a percentage. Well, that's the good thing about their program. They let you ask all the questions you want to ask. They compare themselves to all the other programs out there. And if you're heading towards gold. I kept asking, how do you make money doing this?

They make a pretty good pitch. And they told me. But it is lower than the average. I think it's the lowest one, actually. Shane Cashman stays with us, and we are joined by Emily Hagan. Emily knows everything on Instagram. Emily, how you doing? Let's get Emily in here as well.

How's that working? I can't see you, Emily. I know, we don't see you yet. Hold on. It says I'm here. We hear you, but you got to, yeah, your camera's frozen from much earlier in the day. It says I'm unmuted, but there's no button for the video. You're, uh, maybe it should be refresh.

Refresh. What do I do? Should I just hold that one second? This is God telling you, you should have come in, person. You're afraid that you're going to get sick for me. I'm not contagious. I am no longer contagious.

I'm just stuck with the inflammatory aftermath. Just refresh your Zoom and come back. Because obviously something happened. Okay, she's leaving. So I'll get some thoughts from you, Shane. You know, I met Emily through Shane Cashman. Oh, that's right. I'd forgotten that.

Thank you for that. I saw her on his show. And I was like, I really like that girl. He goes, here's her numbers. So then we became. friends. So, so do we, are we going to curse Shane or thank him? I'm just trying to decide.

Anyway, so, so, so, but the, the, what I started thinking about, Emily, you think about this too, that this is, this is, neither of you expect this comment I'm about to make, so. Uh-oh. Which is, well, it's, I, I'm, there's a weird phenomenon going here with, um, you know, Epstein. And it is, they keep saying everybody around him was a pedophile, a pedophile, pedophile. I don't know that. He trafficked women. And he like young women. But if you watch Mike Benz now, he was able to unravel the entire Epstein story based on this dump, which is that he was set up in a bank in 1976 that was in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair. He ended up working for Saudis, for Israel,

for U.S. trafficking arms. That's why he made all his money. That's why he was cozy with all these people. And his whole life, he had a thing for your little girls, young girls. That's a pedophile. They do it their whole life. They don't occasionally swing past it because they have an opportunity because this rich guy gives them that opportunity.

They would be, in fact, repelled by it. A normal person would be. but a pedophile does this as an ongoing, you know, preference. And when I think about him trafficking women, using money to traffic women, I started thinking, this is a very broad statement I'm about to make, that Hugh Hefner did the exact effing same thing out here, but he used fame and Hollywood and all these other things as his commodity. And he trafficked and manipulated women based on that.

and certainly he served up tens of God knows how many women much the way Epstein served up women hefner did it to wealthy and famous men Epstein just did it to politicians and wealthy men but it's the same phenomenon

and I'm thinking we may have moved through a period where there was more of this kind of thing going on than we know was Hugh Heffner trafficking underage women No, that's the point. The point is the underage part of it was really Epstein's thing. That was his thing. But he was in terms of manipulating all these men, he trafficked women.

Bill Clinton's in a hot tub with women, not with girls. We don't know that yet. I understand that. But I'm here to tell you, the pedophile thing is not a part-time preference. Right, but I've not heard that once in reach a. certain level of fame that you do want to experience something you've never experienced. So there are men that are rich and then it's like it's something they feel like they can get away with. I also think that Epstein was, I think Epstein was very open about his proclivities,

you know, this like demon urge. And so anyone who's around him that closely, all that, for all that time, they would have known that he was into these things and they should have rejected him publicly. He should have been in jail immediately. And, you know, I think it's different than half-nor. I see what you're saying. But a lot of, some of the women, I'm reading these depositions in the files that came out recently. And some of these women who were 18 at this point had been groomed by him since they were 14, you know, with their parents around.

And it's very, very dark stuff. But, you know, and I, and he was also. Let me interrupt you, Shane. Yeah. I was there. Excuse me. This is my good thing. you didn't come here, Emily, maybe I am sick.

Yeah. This is room. So, yes, I agree with you. Anyone who knew about his proclivity should have been outraged and not be willing to hang around the guy. I completely agree with you on that. But, oh, shit. What's the other thing you just said that I'm too busy coughing to keep track of? I'm sorry.

Grooming, grooming 14-year-olds. Grooming. The grooming, the grooming, he may have used them himself while he was grooming them and then turn them. turn the more these other guys these other wealthy guys I would I would I would like to think it was just him

even though that's too much but I have um I'm very suspicious that it was way more people around it's not just him the survivors are I went to the conference they're speaking out it's bankers it's politicians the survivors at the conference made it very clear that it wasn't just

Galane and Epstein and they said no but when he when they were teenagers when they were teenagers, not later, but when they were teenagers. Yes, they've made it very clear that there's names that they're scared to say because they feel like they are in harm. This morning they put out a letter. I don't know if you saw the statement. The survivors wrote a statement, and they said that it is disgusting, basically,

that there are still hundreds of thousands of pages that were unreleased. And the quote specifically, I wrote it down. It was, they said it's alarming that the DOJ, the agency tasked with upholding the law, has violated the law by withholding massive quantities of documents and failing to redact survivors' identities. So they were expecting full disclosure. Instead, they put out 119 pages and they didn't release any big names. And instead, they put in the survivors' names, which was something in the original form that was not supposed to happen. In fact, Clay Higgins, the one guy that didn't sign the bill, Massey spoke to him and he said, well, it wasn't because I don't want the release. It's because I was worried about the survivor's protection and what the DOJ did was the opposite. Like they blasted the survivors. So the survivors, they're pissed. So 19 of them signed this statement today, 17 with real names and then two under a Jane Doe. And they said that they're literally breaking the law. And now Massey, is working with Kana to investigate

Bondi. Yesterday he said Pam Bondi is breaking the law and that Congress needs to assess its ability to hold Bondi an inherent contempt to get justice for the survivors. So

why are you protecting these people, Drew? I'm not. I'm not protecting. It feels like you think it's only Epstein. No, no, no, no. I think no, no, no, I'm just posing an indictment of our society generally of how we treated women in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, that we trafficked women on a scale that was unbelievable. And that's what you're sort of starting to hear people say. Like trafficking is not what you used to think it was, you know, somebody getting kidnapped. There was manipulation on such a large scale of women in the 70s, 80s and 90s. And the culture itself. Push them to go along with it. I hear you, but with a Hefner situation, we'll take your analogy.

Hefner, I don't think, was threatening them to do these jobs. And also it was adult women who wanted that lifestyle. Whereas with Epstein, it was little girls who he, him and Galane were selling dreams to and then inviting them over to their house and then slowly grooming them over time into what would become really sinister situations with multiple people. And the only way they could get out, is if they found another young girl. They were talking about that at the conference

that the only way for say a 10th grader in high school she'd go over there thinking it's a job. She'd get freaked out and then Epstein would threaten her and the only way she could get out is if she found him a replacement and that is how the cycle began.

So that's... What were the threats? What were they afraid of? What did he tell them? I don't know. That's just what they said. I think some of it was financial. He got the, a lot of these families. Humiliation.

Yep. Humiliation, not getting a job, taking promises away. But also some of them felt like they couldn't say anything because there was this fear like baked into the environment at Epsine. Whether it was that Zorro Ranch, you know, which is not really discussed about a lot, where they, you know, he was having like this weird baby factory in Zoro Ranch because he was he was regenicist. But also what was going on in Manhattan and whatever was going on in Florida. You know, this is a worldwide thing, and he was ingratiated into many different governments, not just ours, not just Israel's, but it was all across Europe. You know, he had ties to everything.

And of course, I think he also used people, whatever their proclivities were, he used that against him as well. But there's a reason he named his plane Lolita Express. And there's a reason a lot of people got on it without a problem. He was a sociopath, that's for sure, if not a psychopath. path. Who does Massey imagine Emily is going to be that the GOJ is trying to protect?

You know, that's the funny thing. This is something a lot of people don't know. He just said it recently. This is the first time he didn't get invited to the White House Christmas party. And that's pretty weird just because of this bill. And I would argue Massey was actually

kind of protecting Trump during our interview because he said several times during the interview. He does not believe Trump is criminally implicated, but that he believes he is protecting billionaire donors. That's why when he went into the gallery, he straight up said, I don't care if we're going to embarrass your billionaire donors that went to Rape Island. That was a direct quote from Massey. So I think he's worried. He also mentioned that he thinks there's banks that are involved and that that could cause a lot of destruction. So I mean, I knew we weren't going to get any names.

like I it's if it was but there there's a lot of disinformation happening now because of the list there's a lot of AI images of celebrities with Epstein and it's really hard for people to know what's real and what's not going back to your AI stuff earlier yes so people are how do they know there are hundreds of thousands of pages outstanding it's from there's the grand jury minutes those were blacked out and those were supposed to be in all the cases. And I guess the survivors aren't able to access the information either because the government's been so non-responsive.

And that's why Maria Farmer went up and said that this has been like a five administration cover-up. It's not just Trump. They've been doing it since Bush. Each, each in, like that is, is that a joke? Is that one a joke? That's got to be a joke, right? That one. It's hard to tell.

I can't tell what's what anymore, but it's not even since. If you really look at his financial entanglements, it's since Reagan that he's been doing, he's been in with the intelligence world deeply and sort of arms trade and all this nonsense. I mean, this is a, I don't understand why they would, why would Pam Bondi risk being impeached to protect billionaires? I think she's the fall girl. They're going to use a woman. There's some sort of international order here that is at risk or something. I can't even imagine what it would be. But, I mean, that's why he's Thomas Massey is so smart.

This is an ancient evil that people are poking a stick at right now. Yeah. I mean, this is one of the darkest things that's happened in modern society. And Epstein is like second generation, as far as we know, because Galane's dad, Robert Maxwell, was doing a lot of the same stuff, running textbooks, you know, doing arms deals. working with multiple governments. This is really shady, really dark stuff. This is the peeking behind the curtain of our reality

and seeing the monsters that are there. And this is why it's such a big problem. This is why Trump and Bondi are fumbling over themselves. I think Pam Bondi had good intentions in the beginning. I think Pam Bondi, when she did the phase one binder, they're blaming it all in her. Like, she obviously got a slap on the wrist after that. She said that we have hundreds and thousands of tapes.

Like, now, then they switched it and said they're, oh, it's a hoax. So there's about a shift in narrative. And I think Bondi is going to be used as the fault. She's obviously getting orders from somewhere. You don't just switch up like that. But it is interesting that that's, I mean, that's who they have to investigate. It's not like they can be conspiratorial and say, we're going to investigate Net and Yahoo and Trump.

Like, they have to go after Bondi. She's in charge of the bill. Yeah. And again, and Shane. I just want to say we were talking about earlier with this. Go ahead. That's my big question that's a big headline of this episode, which is what could possibly

be in the files that's actually worse than what we're already imagining. By now, it's like there's been every possible theory and most of those are probably out of this world and nowhere near reality, but why are they letting everybody continue for years and years to think, oh, it

must be worse than what we've already seen? What could possibly be there? Or are they dragging this out for some other reason. Like, is this a distraction from something worse? Like, what's going on? It's probably multiple heads of state doing the most sinister thing you could do, which is destroying innocence over time for a long time. And that if people really understood the reality of that,

society would begin to collapse. And it should. If that's what our society is propped up on, then we need to collapse it because that is disgusting. This is disturbing evil that needs to be rooted out from our society, going back to what we were talking about earlier, to help build a better future for our kids. you know because this unfortunately isn't unique to today this has been going on for a very long time

and it needs to be put to an end well it's what you and i were talking about in terms of everything being a hoax or a manipulation or a propaganda i mean so what the spill out what you're alleging you're alleging that many world leaders and why are we leaving the intelligence people out of this maybe they're the actual world massy said they're in But maybe they're really the ones. But maybe they're the ones that really have the problem because why was going into intelligence already? Our intelligence agencies are the reason that they're not. He thinks the delay is because if we release the files, our intelligence agencies would be embarrassed.

He said U.S. and Israel, both of their intelligence agencies, he believes, are involved. And by being transparent, it could humiliate both intelligence agencies. I wouldn't be surprised. I would not be surprised that the intelligence agencies that have. been weaponized against the American people for decades, whether they're experimenting on us with bio-warfare, whether they're literally letting hundreds of thousands of children be trafficked over the southern border, and who knows where.

Of course, these people are deranged. Not all of them. We know there's good people in the government. It's probably pretty rare, but we know that these people are up to really dark stuff. And so it's not just heads of state. It's people at every level. Look, a year ago, I did a story where I went and helped catch pedophiles in Ohio.

these are people who worked at 7-Elevens they were firefighters they were teachers we could have not slept for 72 hours and kept catching pedophiles in one county in ohio so this the person i did it with alex rosen does it all across the country all the time i know that this evil demonic problem isn't just in like you know the gutters of our society it's through every institution around the world and it must be stopped and this is why we are having such a problem getting these Epstein files out, helping the victims, because this goes back a long ways, and there's a lot of people who partake in it, and they've got to be stopped. Are you talking about, you know, the teenage girls? Are you talking about children, children, or do you make any distinction between those two? Well, I'm talking about people, when I was doing the story, it was infants to 12-year-olds. But with Epstein, we know it's 13 to 14-year-olds. but um you know it's no one no no young person needs to be groomed by an adult that is a problem

and uh it happens all too often we we we sort of have a weird denial in this country i mean i did a radio show where we talked to sexual abuse survivors every all night every night and i watched this thing emerge it came out of the 60s and 70s and then we had a problem of child on child sexual abuse. And people that have these sexual abuse experiences in childhood, it shatters their regulatory system in the brain and the autonomic nervous system. And they have about a 60% chance of becoming a perpetrator themselves. And we pretend that, let's say, let's give, let's be generous to say half, 30%, half of that six percent become a perpetrator. That's still millions and millions of people. And when, like I was saying earlier, when somebody has that preference, they don't do it

wants. It's like just like Epstein. It's a multi-decade habit and they have an appetite for it and it harms, God knows how many people so it has an exponential growth to it. Also like this year Kanye released, Cousins.

So in the song, I don't know, Shane, do you want to explain that? Do you want me to explain to Drew? You mean that Kanye's cousin having some sort of intercourse when they were kids you can do the lyric

if you want I can do it how about you do it he did a lyric this year where he said I just sucked my cousins

did and I saw it it was like that he was saying basically that like that's what led

to his sex addiction and that's what caused him to have trauma later in life so it I think it does

it does it is one of the causes of sex addiction for sure yeah uh there's a trauma attached to it obviously like what drew saying and it shatters reality of the adolescent

and a lot of the people that you know we were um helping to catch with the police they were multiple they had been abusers multiple times but they'd been abused themselves they've been to prison they've been back out they can't turn it off it's it's insane i don't think um you know but when it comes to hurting kids there's nothing that will be like that in my mind that'll be like they should be allowed back in society you know i think can be kept away from kids at all times. The main issue here, I feel like that none of us have touched on yet is that our government is literally breaking the law in front of our eyes and we're letting them get away with it.

Our government is literally, they signed a bill that said they had 30 days to disclose these files unredacted with the names of the survivors crossed out. And instead of doing that, they put out 119 pages of blank files basically. and last survivors' names in, they quite literally are breaking the law. Emily. And our government's just getting away with it. Emily, I agree with you,

but I hate to break it to you. Our government breaks the law. No, I know, but they don't do it. They're never doing it in our faces as much. Yeah, yes and no. It's almost like they're doing it in our faces more to be like, look at what we can get away with. Yeah.

They're driving us crazy. What is the moment? And they're changing the narrative and they're hiring these mega influencers to go on a podcast, run to try to shift the overtone window by saying it's a hoax. The same influencers that were holding up the binder are now saying it's a hoax. These girls are prostitutes. They are trying to change the whole thing.

And I think it's sick. I agree. What? I haven't heard that yet. That's a pretty crazy take, so to speak. There's a lot of influencers out there who are trying to echo Trump sentiment of when he's saying this is a Democrat hoax. A lot of people didn't know how to interpret that.

But, you know, that was the new talking point about the Epstein files. But it's obviously not a hoax. We know Epstein went to prison for trafficking minors. And we know he was given a sweetheart deal in Florida where he was allowed to leave prison with a passport still, which makes no sense, you know, and leave as he wanted and come back. So there's so much craziness in his past, in his history. Yeah, absolutely. And they're trying to free Galane. Like, it's just so gross.

I know. Does Thomas Massey have a plan? His plan is that they're invest they're they're they just yeah they just like put in a thing to investigate Bondi but him and him and Rocana because take Marjorie's gone now so now it used to be the three musketeers now Marjorie's out so now it's just Massey and Rokana that are taking this on but but the fact that the law was not followed is there any remedies within the legislature yeah that's why they're calling for Bondi's impeachment that's it just that for for not following the law and i can picture that i'm trumping like see

you later pam like he doesn't care i feel like he'll be like oh that was pam's bad not mine like he'll just get rid of her they don't mind so they don't care the question is though will we then get the the pages i don't think that honestly if i was messy i don't know i want to be hopeful i would have just retired but isn't it wouldn't it be accurate to say that if the kinds of entanglements with the intelligence community that we're talking about here were so profound

isn't that enough to say how do you how are we ever going to be able to get these things I think that's the issue I think they know what will happen to the institution if this is information is released but they did say Massey did say he's going to name

names he did say that he said if they don't end up releasing it what we're going to do is we're going to going to go and we're going to name the names ourselves because but they said the reason they weren't doing that strategy yet is because say the survivors only gave them 20 names then that's all that they're going to get so they were hoping that they would be transparent and then get all the names but now I'm like well you guys got to do something because we're not getting any names and now Michael Jackson's just catching strays so yeah yeah no it would be great if they did that and Trump's a lot of

Trump's platform for his 2024 campaign was to, according to Agenda 47, obliterate the deep state. An Epstein type character is part of that deep state, this invisible network that runs across all different governments that is doing very nefarious things, whether it's arms dealing or blackmail, all that stuff. And to see this administration fumble over themselves about this is disheartening to the entire movement. You know, there's a reason people are upset. You know, it's because we were expecting to see some of the answers. Yeah, they're blaming Candace Owens for the midterms. It's like people are already pissed at you about the Epstein files. Right.

But Shane, as you say, they, they, he wanted to get rid of the deep, deep say it. And you've already on the, you've said here several times, you want to like obliterate the, all this needs to be expunge from at least, you know, if not society at large, our government for sure. then why protect the NSA? Isn't that the biggest perpetrator probably? Isn't that really where it's all going on? If those institutions have to be sacrificed, maybe they do. If I were president, they'd all go. You know, it wouldn't be good for any alphabet agent, ATF, FBI, CIA.

Because I understand why we need them, but they have been bastardized and weaponized against the American people forever, you know? And they have been experimenting on us, destroying us, destroying our privacy for decades now. So there's really no reason to have them around. We need to take them down and redo it all because what's happening right now is just terrible for the American people. Well, guys, I appreciate your commentary. It's been very interesting. Emily, anything that we should look forward to your reporting on, and Emily knows everything.

I might be putting out some interesting pieces this week. Stay tuned. That's all I can say. What the heck does that mean? What is that even mean? You might be putting out something interesting. Now, stay tuned for some. Can you give us, give us something on what?

On Diddy, on what? It's on, I can't say it right now. It's in legal review. Hmm. Hmm. And so if we watch your Instagram, it will show up there. Yeah, I'm sure there'll be something unhinged on my page this week. Yesterday, it was covering the Jake Paul fight.

And, yeah. And Shane, how about you? What's coming up? I'm going to be opening up for Sam Tripoli on New Year's Eve at Tiff's Comedy Club. Oh, my gosh. It's going to be a really good time. Nice. So I'll be there, Tiff's Comedy Club and Morris Plains, New Jersey on New Year's Eve.

Looking forward to it. Nice. Have you ever been with Sam before? I love Sam. Yeah, we've done a lot together. Super smart. All right, guys. We appreciate you all being here, and we look forward to you.

Before you go, Drew, Emily, Barr sent us something that's going around the internet about a fake video of how Epstein killed himself. I saw that. I didn't know why I would promote a fake video. Well, so it's being reported by TMZ. That's why I put that on screen. TMZ is the one pushing the video saying that it's a, it was in the files apparently. Video from the U.S. Department of Justice appears to show Jeffrey Epstein attempting to commit suicide in his cell. And they have the video. You guys want to look at it? You want to look at it? We might as well. Should we get Harvey on the line? Can we play it? Uh, sure.

Yeah, I want Harvey on the line. Let's get Harvey on the line. Let me call him. You guys, he is, Harvey is so careful about what he reports. I know that's why I feel like if they reported it, it might be true. Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah. So what do we got here? I'm not going to play it. We'll get kicked off. They actually already, we were kicked off a TikTok already today. So I'm trying to explain. Today? We got kicked off today already.

Like a few minutes ago. Yeah, a few minutes ago, you're a few minutes ago, you're Congrats. But this is every three day, like every, every night, we get kicked off. We get kicked off every single show. What's in the video? It's actually funny. We get a 24-hour ban. So the video, if you look at the video, it's very short.

It's 16 seconds long. And it's a fish-eye looking video from inside of a jail cell. And you see it's very low frame rate. And it looks like he's just like rocking back and forth sitting on the floor. It doesn't look like a suicide attempt to me at all. It actually looks like he's holding like talking on a phone. like it doesn't this could be anything maybe he's doing um

what do they call that sexual thing with asphyxiation where they do that it's hard to tell because again this is so blurry that it's it's not even worth the risk to air that then why is it getting kicked off of TikTok if he's just going like this

oh we were we were kicked off this you Emily you got us kicked off yeah yeah that makes sense the minute you showed up Emily they kicked us off I have a good relationship China loves me TikTok, I have a good relationship with TikTok, believe it. I just want to say, if this video is real.

If this video is real, it's more lies from Cash Patel and Dan Bonino about cameras in Jeffrey Epstein's cell. Why did Dan Bonjino step down? Oh, because he's not useless. He's useless. I mean, do you think it's because he doesn't think they're doing anything? I think you guys, moved. I have no idea. I have no idea.

He looked like a hostage at the moment he got in there. There's a lot of people are saying him stepping down means the truth is back on our side. Interesting. Interesting. Well, I had several different comments after that machine gun fire exchange, but I think I'm going to let him be. Except to say that somebody rocking on the ground could be a million different things. I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean anything at all. Well, you're such a perp. You know, he probably was doing something like that.

Again, the autoerotic asphyxiation is usually people who had a history of opiate addiction or you didn't have that. How do we know? These things follow patterns. They just do. So, okay. So guys, oh, somebody's saying it's fake. He was just a, yeah, that's what they're saying in this article. But the article that says it's fake?

Yeah. Interesting. Because Epstein is still alive. See, now we're going down with my theory, as I've told Emily before. I think he's a federal agent and he's alive and witness protection. Something like that is going on here because there's no other real explanation behind this

ridiculous way that they're rolling these files out. It makes no sense at all. But I'm looking at the article on TMZ doesn't say that it's a fake. It said it came from the U.S. Department of Justice and then it appears to show Epstein attempting suicide and it's dated August 10th, 2019, the day he was found in his cell.

But again, that was a good point. either Shane or Emily said it earlier, this just means that they were lying when they said there was no video in the cell. So this makes even more problems. I know. All right. Guys, I thank you very much. Somebody wanted him dead too.

My head is full. I'm not quite sure to do with all this, but I appreciate the reporting. And shanecashman.com and Emily knows everything on Instagram, correct? Yes. You got it. I was going to say one last thing. Emily, put a clip of this up on

on TikTok and let's see what they do with it if they kick you off or what the you know because we're able to experiment what the problem is here they like you we're the only ones who are still getting censored spending money if they like you

so much I'm going to use you as a beard so yeah the problem is when I post videos of your show I don't make money because they know it's not my content but you should be made but Drew you can be monetized at TikTok we are we make like five bucks we have tried it doesn't work for us not if they won't let us use tic talk

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No, no problem. Great to be here, Dr. Drew. So you've been very busy. Tell me about domestic extremist. Yeah, this is a book I wrote. It came out a couple years ago. And it's basically my practical guide to winning the culture war. It's really simple.

I'm a mother of five. I'm a devout Catholic. And, you know, I was working full time at Disney. And I quit my job to sort of work I still work, but I work from home to sort of be with the kids. That was my priority. So my brilliant idea, my sort of taboo idea was we can win the culture back by encouraging more young women to do the same thing. To just simply not that you don't have to work, you can work, but to prioritize things like taking care of your children, getting married, staying married, you know, things that are actually healthy for you and healthy for the future of human civilization.

And yet, although the Overton window has opened sufficiently that you can actually say those things now without getting canceled, there still is a wild chorus out there of people who say otherwise. Yeah, actually, I call myself an Overton widow because the Overton window has moved so far. You're sort of like, you know, you've been widowed by you're alone in this. And yeah, I mean, I know I have a lot of friends like me who are just stay-at-home moms. They're, you know, they're Catholics and they're pro-life and they have a lot of kids. And so you can now say these things. They're less taboo, but young women, as you well know, the gender gap is just ever growing. Like, despite my book, despite my best intentions, the gender gap is huge.

Women, young women are way more liberal than young men. And so, you know, what are we supposed to do? How do we get them in a room and start, you know, making babies? It's very tough. I mean, feminism worked. So get them in a room and start making babies. Hmm. I hope that isn't quoted.

Well, they're on rooms. But I don't know if you've heard this theory. I've reviewed it here on this show a couple times, I think, which is that there's an evolutionary biologist out there who believes, and she has evidence to back this up, I think she's British, I remember right, that a lot of the recommendations by the elite is, actually a mating strategy to be sure that high quality males are primarily available to the elite rather than to anybody else by discouraging them not to get married not to have kids don't worry

about your body weight all these things that they themselves don't do they don't pay any attention to these recommendations that that they're sort of espousing but those that do get those handed down to them, find their access, their sort of evolutionary contribution is restricted. Right. Yeah, there was, there's been a lot of studies that when you get to the sort of the upper income echelons, marriage rates are actually doing fine. And there's a lot of people have kind of figured out the crack the code to how to, how to generate wealth and produce successful children. It's a man and a woman, you know, together in the house with the kids. And it's, you know, the sort of like the epidemic of single motherhood, of disconnected people, people choosing to, you know, get repeated abortions, that tends to be people who are not in the upper economic echelon. But yes, the upper economic, the elites are the ones preaching this lifestyle, this sort of like, you know, go out and be promiscuous and party and just, you know, do your TikToks about getting ready to go out to the clubs. And there, but they're not living that lifestyle.

themselves for the most part, except, of course, for the Epstein clientele. Yeah. And what has happened that, to me, the scariest things a culture ever says is, well, now we understand, or now we figured it out. When in reality, cultures do much better and are much healthier and people are much happier, when they actually reach back to what we've always known. Yeah, I mean, nothing I'm saying, nothing I've ever said is like some new thing I just like came up with, you know, like these are, these are sort of like these fundamentals of humanity, but we do keep, as we proceed into the future, we kind of keep forgetting

that what these fundamental things are that keep us human, the maternal bond. You're not really even allowed to talk about the maternal bond anymore because it doesn't matter. A mother could raise a baby, a father, a grandma, some unrelated. adult you can have surrogacy you can have you know um you don't need you don't need a family structure anymore and these things are uh absurd i mean these are just fundamental human things and so it does feel like you have to kind of reinvent the wheel a little bit and teach people no actually these are over many millennia human beings um seem to do best when it's like you know a man and a woman

have a little baby and they try to stick it, stick through it through thick and thin as long as they can and keep their children safe. I mean, you need the man and the woman to keep the child safe and have more children and have siblings. And so really the book is about going back and reaching back for, but for the modern age. I mean, again, I'm not like some like, you know, cartoon tradwife baking pies in my kitchen. Women, I write books. I think women, you know, Mary Harrington said it best. Don't be a trad wife. Be a trade wife. Think of something you can do with your talents to make some money with your children. Incorporate them in your lives. Don't just sign them out to the daycare six weeks, you know, and show up when they're 18 to pick them up and drop them off from

college. There's a lot of middle ground that women can choose. And the trick is how do you convince young women to choose this lifestyle? The other lifestyle is very attractive right now. That's a good question. I mean, what do you tell young women? Certainly men can't get into the into the conversation. Well, young men are out there looking for women who are like sort of marriageable, who aren't like super woke feminists who, you know, who hate, who hate men, who are going to be these like kind of impossible to deal with, you know, women. They're looking for love too.

And I think women are also, but they are sort of unable to. And I think there's several ways to teach them that. I mean, number one, you have to look at who your friends are. And a lot of young women are kind of, and I was, I was a liberal pro-choice feminist, okay? And my friend group sort of kept me in that box. And when I finally met my future husband, it was like a little bit of a drama that I'm actually choosing this man over, you know, going to girls night and like go to the clubs with you guys. And it became, it really did require a like break with your peer group.

And so the more women who do it and young women are now speaking out, young conservative women are kind of telling their story of how they went. And most of them start out as liberals. They start out as feminist because they're going to college. And as you know, college is a feminist indoctrination factory. And so really, you have to kind of deprogram yourself. And sometimes it's the boyfriend or the husband kind of helping a girl through that. Sometimes they just discovered on their own through a, they kind of like learn the really hard way. Maybe they go through an abortion or a horrible breakup or they get fired from their job and have to kind of figure out what to do. My advice, though, for me, I have teenage daughter and teenage sons. You really, the best medicine is prevention here. And if you can teach teenage girls, girls in high school, preteen girls, you know, give them some guidance on how to avoid these sort of massive pitfalls. I think you, you know, they'll have a much better outcome. I'm fascinated by people that radically changed their point of view. Can you tell us a little more about what that was like for you?

Yeah. You know, I was sort of like, my parents were sort of Reagan Republicans. I was a K-Rock kid in L.A. I listened to you a lot, Dr. Drew, and on your old show. And so I just absorbed with the culture. I was sort of raised by TV and MTV and college and my friends. And just the culture raised me. I didn't have any religion or any guideline.

kind of guideposts in my life at all. My parents were divorced. Nobody knew where I was at night. Me and my friends were out having fun, right? And so, and I went through all of college like that without really any political ideas other than, well, of course I'm a feminist. Of course I'm pro-choice. You know, of course I'm a liberal. Because conservatives were, you know, weird old men. Like, I don't want to, I want to be cool. And in those days, like, it was cool to be part of this sort of MTV, you know, TV generation, sex in the city. Like, hey, that looks fun, like, although checking with those ladies now, it doesn't look so fun after all. And it really took a few things for me to sort of have this sort of conversion.

I think, you know, the first thing was when I was in my 20s, obviously 9-11, was sort of like my political conversion, like, oh, well, maybe I am not, you know, kids around me were burning the flag and, like, protesting. And I was like, I don't want to burn the flag. I'm actually patriotic. I'm actually really patriotic. I don't think the war was a great. idea, but at the time, I was definitely signing more with the right than the left. And that was the first time I'd ever thought about politics. And then when I met my husband, he had been a liberal and he then went to the military. And when I met him, he had, he owned a gun. And I was, like, shocked and, like, sort of horrified, because I had never even met anyone who owned a gun.

I'd never even been in a room with, like, a young man who was on the right until I met him, like, ever. And he happened to be pro-life also because he had kind of gone through a conversion, some Orthodox Jewish friends that he had met in law school who had kind of red-pilled him on that. And that sort of, we debated and I was like, you're crazy. And then finally, just, you know, he was a very smart person. He's a lawyer. And he kind of convinced me like, oh, maybe I, maybe I was misled. Maybe I have not really ever thought about feminism. And I think, and I think that's true. I think that you get this sort of totally like mythical idea of what it means to be a young woman and you know what your role in the world is and you know what

motherhood means i mean you're just sold this like very lightweight kind of like mall rat version of it there's nothing to do with real human fulfillment and human happiness anyway it helped that we were like dating and like falling in love at the time and so by the time we were married i was like a full-blown like right-wing conservative so that is one way to get to a girl have you uh are you familiar with megan dom d a um yes yes okay so it's because she's trying to salvage feminism essentially into something that it originally was intended to be was a fight for equality yeah and i think that we've kind of like uh we we kind of have nailed that like we are equal i get to vote. I never have felt there was any right. I'm missing. I mean, I think girls probably can do

too many things. Like, I don't think a young woman should be, for example, a firefighter or in combat. Like, those just seem like things that are, you know, not safe for her, not safe for the people that they're trying to, you know, to help. And so we sort of solved equality, and we've taken it way too far. I think the feminism, you know, to use a cliché, has totally jumped the shark. And in my upcoming book, I had with sort of like archetypes of the people who have kind of like led to the American decline, I have a chapter called feminist liberation theologists, which basically goes through these different ideas of feminism as as religion that is going to liberate women. And you'll see now, I'm sure you've seen that there's many

books being written, memoirs, kind of glamorizing, not just like being a young woman sex in the city, but glamorizing women in their 40s and 50s who kind of decide to dump their husband, dump their kids, and go on these sort of self-actualizing adventures in the world and exploring themselves and through different relationships. And they kind of always, you know,

the book always ends with this like glamorous, fabulous, what a time, Italy, France, around the world. But when you go back and look at the authors 10 years later, it's actually like a train wreck. Like it's actually like the, What's that book, the Eat, Pray, Love Woman? Have you read her? What happened to her?

It's like, that, it tells you everything. She ended up in a lesbian relationship that was someone tried to kill her. You know all about it. And so, so, you know, feminism is, I really do consider myself an anti-feminist. I just think we do not know. We no longer need it. You know, second wave feminism, I get it. We're allowed to work and make money.

That's wonderful. I'm very glad that I. can write my books and you know have an income um we now it's just going to a place where no longer are women are equal to men but actually men who think their women are better than biological women that that's what that's what we get now from feminism where are people going to find you oh i guess part of where they should find you is the magpie uh flyer right yes i me and some partners are now editing a website called magpie flyer.com where we're just basically it's sort of like a drug report for California for new news headlines in California that are you know from a

right wing perspective and as you know California is a content gold mine there's just you know just so much insanity going on uh in this or state yeah please focus on the corruption because it's just beginning to come out it's just it's disgusting and I notice on your current front page. It's like rain apocalypse. Oh, my God. Atmospheric river, a bomb cyclone. Here we go. You know, it's just so crazy. Water is going to fall from the sky. That's right. I think when all the corruption comes out, it's going to really make Minnesota look like peanuts in terms of the amount, the dollar amounts have been stolen in the state. For sure. And I see Caleb threw up

What's her name there? Nikki Magaj who had a really interesting interview yesterday. Tell me about that. Your thoughts on that. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, the headline is that A, number one, Nicky Minaj is MAGA, okay? I mean, Donald Trump used to be a huge, all friends with all the rappers in New York,

and then they kind of took a break from him, but now she's Nikki Minaj. It's like, loves Donald Trump, loves J.D. Vance. Like, who could have thought? And Erica, Erica Kirk, this, like, devout Christian lady holding Nikki's hand. Nikki Minaj, you know, who didn't sing that song Whap, okay?

Like, she has her own sort of... I think that was Cardi, I think. I think that's Nicky Monash's sworn in. I mean, Cardi, isn't it? I'm not sure. Let me look that up. I'm almost certain. A lot of people...

I was Cardi and Megan. I've seen a lot of people saying that. Did you see that... Speaking of comedy, do you see that guy that did that, I think it was an Instagram post or something or he was... Oh, no, it was a stand?

up. He said that here we are in the United States where we're canceling baby it's cold outside, which by the way in this original incarnation was in a movie where a woman is saying that to a man. It has not always been you know, Louis Armstrong singing

Baby It's Cold Outside. At the same time that the number one song of the country was Wop. Right. Yeah, well, I mean that, you know, Baby's Cold Outside was sung by like a, you know, a white, you know, it was like a white couple in the in the in the movie so that therefore it's cancel

heterosexual romance is not okay um yeah so niki minage very interesting she's a devout catholic i'm sorry christian i believe she's really interested in then nigerian christians who are being massacred in africa so i mean i'm not saying she should be jd vans who's running me although maybe i mean maybe that is maybe it's time for us to have a black woman as vice president maybe it's nicky interesting oh i like oh you're you're you're uh showing your hand here predicting something that's very interesting all right other than the magpie flyer where else would you like people to track you down uh yeah peachy keenan.com is my substack and um my and supervillains my my second my follow up book will be out um this spring or maybe

summer fantastic uh is is peachy your real name or do we do we call you peach no i started i started writing about politics under a pseudonym back in 20, you know, I don't know, 2016, 2017 when I was still at Disney and that was a no-no. You can imagine they would not be too happy knowing what I really thought about things. So no, it's not my real day about it. And Mao Schwitz. And then finally, Caleb has one last question for you. Yeah, I'm curious.

Are you homeschooling all those kids? No, I tried homeschooling long ago when I had like a baby in two. toddlers. And it was just, it was just difficult for me. So actually we have a, we moved to be closer to a wonderful classical Catholic school that completely, you know, aligns with our values. And I highly recommend anyone who can't homeschool for whatever reason, flee your public school if you were in a blue city and try to do whatever you can to get close enough to some kind of Catholic, classical Christian, some school that has values that doesn't have rainbow flags in the classroom. Visit that campus and you'll know very quickly if you think your kids will

survive. Yeah. And nothing against homeschooling. I was I was homeschooled me and we had five siblings in my household all homeschooled K through 12. And when I had kids, I put it, I found a really good school and put my kids in school and they're doing great. So both ways can work. I don't know how your mom did that, Caleb. I don't know, I have five just five kids. Pitchie, forget it. I mean, come on. It's so difficult. Yeah, it's not easy. Yeah, it's not easy, but they're cute. You'll keep them. Well, thank you very much for joining us.

Appreciate it. Thanks so much, Dr. Drew. You got it. People are going off on Nikki Minaj. She's so funny. Nikki, remember we saw her at the MTV Movie Awards when she was having a big feud with somebody? Remember that?

Probably, wasn't it? It was the same one. She was going off about her taxes. It was the, no, that was Cardi B. Cardi B. The Nikki Minaj situation was the same MTV video music awards where Kanye got up and said he was going up for president and all this stuff.

Yeah, yeah. And Susan was poking me going, he's not well. Go help him. He needs help. Go get him. Well, his buddies were standing behind or sitting right behind us and he kept looking over at us while he was doing it. And I go, I thought he was looking at you. But then I turned around.

I saw his two buddies behind us. He needs help. He needs help. He's not right. He's not right. What's going on? He was, yeah, he wanted to be president. might have been done a better job than Biden.

Well, let us let it all lie there. Upcoming shows, Alex Marlowe, the Cousinich coming in, Frank Morano, Salty Cracker coming back, J.P. Spears coming back. We got a lot of stuff yet to come in January. We appreciate you being here. We'll be here on New Year's Eve. We wish you all the happiest of holidays and Merry Christmas. After Christmas.

And it's, Hanuk is concluding. Happy Hanuk, everybody. And happy birthday to Susan Pinsky. It's on the screen. Susan, look at that. You see that? Where? Look at Caleb.

I don't see it on the screen. Put it back up. There it is. See it? Susan? Thank you. Caleb. And we will be with you one more time before the new year.

That'll be out of New York. That'll be on the 31st. I think we're doing the second. That's right. We're doing the 31st and the second. And so have a great holiday and we will see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. is our content producer. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care,

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