Ask Dr. Drew - Ex-Mafia Capo Michael Franzese: The REAL Gangsters Are Running Our Government – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 464

Episode Date: March 9, 2025

Michael Franzese was once a powerful mafia boss, leading a crew of 300 men and raking in millions each week. After a prison sentence, he turned his life around – and now says the real gangsters are the people running our government. Michael Franzese is a former caporegime leader of the New York Colombo Crime Family, where he was a prominent “made member” known as “The Prince of the Mafia.” The son of a crime family underboss, he now hosts the Michael Franzese Show on Rumble and is a motivational speaker. Find more at https://michaelfranzese.com and https://x.com/MichaelFranzese 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Delighted to welcome into the studio today Michael Franzis. He is a former mob boss from New York, Colombo crime family, prominent leader known as the prince. Oh, there he is. We're going to, you're going to see that he is here with me today. I thought it was going to be a surprise after we got the show really going.

You now host the Michael Franzese show on Rumble. I've been a guest on there. He's also a motivational speaker. Guess what? He found a way out of prison. He's transformed his life. He's now a winemaker. I'll tell you about that in a minute.

And you can follow him on Michael Franzese, F-R-A-N-Z-E-S-E, I spell that right? Franzese.com. And Michael Franzese on X and MichaelFranzese.com. And I will tell you all about, well, I think I have a second talk about the wine. The website is Franzesewine.com. Very popular alcoholic and non-alcoholic wine

that is getting great traction. He'll tell us about that. And we will talk about this, how our country has become a familiar way of doing business to him. Talk about that right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre.

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Sign up, follow him on X Michael Franzese F R A N Z E E F R A N Z E S E and Michael Franzese.com and frenziesewine.com. I'll hear all about how this all happened, but why don't we explain, and I want to get deep into the book. Where's my camera? Is that my camera there? Mafia democracy, which is something that's been,

has occurred to me more than once, that that's what we're dealing with. And so I love the opportunity to talk to somebody who actually understands how that is or is not so, where that is or is not so. And, but I think the important thing is to start with where you started. So how did you start?

How did you end up here? And my dad was a very powerful figure in the Colombo family. He was the under boss, which is the second in command. And... Is this in Manhattan or is this Staten Island? It was Brooklyn. Brooklyn.

I mean, there were five families throughout New York and we were based mostly in Brooklyn and then Long Island. And my dad was very, very high profile. He was throughout my childhood always under investigation, major target of law enforcement. I always say he was kind of like the John Gotti of his day and in and out of prison constantly getting indicted he went on trial three times while I was excuse me younger twice for Grand Lawson he wants for murder very serious cases and fortunately he was acquitted each time on that this was happening throughout my

childhood and then in 1966 my dad was indicted in federal court for masterminding a nationwide string of bank robberies, convicted and sentenced to 50 years in prison. He goes off to prison in 1970 to start that sentence. I was a pre-med student, Hofstra University. My dad wanted me to be a doctor, and that's where I was headed. And at the same time, Joe Colombo, who is the boss of the family? I knew him well

He kind of took me under his wing. I started meeting a lot of my dad's friends They said Mike why you going to school if you don't help your father out. He's gonna die in prison You know dad wants you to help everybody out or is that just a manipulation on their part? You know initially he he wanted me to stay in school. He didn't want that life for me, but You know, and I will say this, you know, later on we'll get into it. I went to prison for a crime that I was guilty of. And my dad had obviously, you know,

he spent a lot of time in that life, he did bad things. That particular crime that he was convicted of, my dad was innocent of. Oh, geez. And believe me, Dr. Drow, I'll take that to my grave. I investigated the case thoroughly. Every witness recanted their testimony. So I believed he was framed.

And I wanted to help him out. And I knew I couldn't do that in school. So I met him in Leavenworth, Penitentiary. I was in the visiting room with him and said, Dad, I'm not going to school. If I don't help you out, you're going to die in here. And we had a discussion and that's when he kind of said, okay, but if you're going to be on the street,

I want you to do it the right way. And he proposed me at that time for membership into the fit. Did that mean some sort of ritual? Yeah, you know, you go through a period when you have to prove yourself. And for me, I was a recruit for about two and a half years. And I was 21 when he first promoted me. And then in 1975,

I actually took an oath with five other gentlemen and that's when I became a term as a made man. And then you moved up through the leadership there? Yeah, I had some success in that life. I knew how to use the life to benefit me in business and went on to make a considerable amount of money at that time, both legally and illegally. I had a lot of things going in in 1980 they made me a captain, capo regime is the term and

from 80 until about 95 when I consider myself formally removed from that life I operated as a captain. And then what finally brought you to prison? Well I among I was throughout my time I had a bulls eye on my back from day one because of my dad. So I was arrested 18 times. I had seven. Did you ever get him out? He got out. He did 40 years on the 15.

But I got him out on parole after 10 years, but he kept going back. He went back five times. Each time, parole violation. And most every time for associating with another felon, somebody alleged to be an organized crime, you can't do that when you're on parole. And he just he just couldn't stay out. Wow. So he did 40 years on that.

He was actually released at the age of 100. Oh, my goodness. Dr. Drew, he was the oldest inmate in the federal system at the time of his release in 2017. And he passed away during COVID at the age of 103. Wow. So he lived probably longer than at the age of 103. So he lived probably longer than anybody else in that life. It's not a life conducive to a long lifestyle. So he went pretty far.

Yeah, and so I had moved up in the ranks, but like I said, I had a big bullseye on my back. I was indicted seven times. I had two federal racketeering cases, one brought on by Rudy Giuliani. By the way, wrote the forward in his book. Where's my camera here? He's so Giuliani, whatever happened that got you out was obviously a fan of your transformation. Yeah, you know, I sat down with Rudy and after 30 years, you know, in the court, it was funny

because when he went on my arraignment in the courtroom, he said to me, if I convict you on this case, Francis, you're going to get double what your father got. I'm giving you a hundred years. And that's the kind of time that we're giving us guys back then. And I said, all right, we'll bring it on. You know? And Giuliani was one of the driving forces of all that, right?

Yeah. At the time, yeah. You know, he was really the one that used the Rico statute effectively and that's what really dismantled that light Yeah, and after several months while I was acquitted in that case some of my code of interest got convicted They got 30 years so I would have gotten at least 50 But yeah, I sat with him not too long ago And he said you know I've been watching you for 30 years And I think this whole transformation is legitimate and And we, I would consider him a friend now.

Wow. It's amazing. That is an amazing story. So you mentioned the Rico act and, Irv Key Jr has said more than a couple of times that he wants to use that to dismantle some of the shenanigans in the government. Is that, is that the way we're going to do this?

Is that the plan or is there more to be done? Well, I can tell you this, Dr. Drew and you know, I don't know how political you want to get, but I have watched very closely. I'm very into the politics lately for the past several years and I've watched the whole GOP matter against Biden and Hunter Biden and his family. And I can tell you this without going into detail, but I can if you like, there was more evidence to have him indicted

on a RICO statute than there was- Hunter. Hunter and Joe Biden. Between the laptop, the eyewitnesses, the people that he sat down with, the text messages, the emails, there was more evidence for an indictment you always proven you know innocent till proven guilty then there

wasn't any one of my three cases mm-hmm so I think it would be a very effective tool if they use the problem where should they start I know the RFK jr. has said he wants to go at the medical publications first to try to unravel the pharma influence there. And then as an administrator, undo the pharma influence at the FDA. That's what he has told me. I'm sure there's a lot more to go.

Where would you start? If you were going to sort of take out a machete. Well, I would start looking at, you know, Nancy Pelosi and all of these people that have used, you know, their office so effectively to enrich themselves. But I have a feeling they're probably getting really good advice on how to do that. They may not have broken any laws, right?

It's unethical as hell, but how do we get them? It's, you know, I heard AOC talking about it. She goes, this is bullshit. It's like, you know, how can you do this? But they broke laws. We had to put some things in place to stop them where they would be breaking laws, it seems to me. Well, the RICO statute is pretty widespreading.

So listen, when they came after us, you know, I don't know if you know this, but as a predicate act for a R you can have you can have gone to trial In acquitted in the case and you can still use that charge as a predicate act for the Rico It's almost like there's double jeopardy allowed in Rico. So listen without knowing all the details I'm sure they can find something believe me. They found it against those very easily. So You know look with the insider trading thing. I mean they exempt themselves from insider trading I think so. I don't know, you know how effective that would be but

There's so much shenanigans going on I would have to believe that they can find it in the in the hunter Biden Joe Biden case. It's so there I mean, well you I think mentioned somewhere I think in the book the shell companies. Yeah, that's so there. I mean. Well, you, I think mentioned somewhere, I think in the book, the shell companies. Yeah. That's what you used to do. Absolutely. Tell us about that. Well, I had 18 shell companies.

I was in a scheme that I ran for almost eight years where we were defrauding the government out of tax on every gallon of gasoline. In order to do that and to get the money into our accounts, I had 18 Panamanian companies that were all shell companies. No brick and mortar, no employees, no product. We just opened the bank account and we were collecting tax money through those accounts.

We had suspicious bank accounts the same way that was alleged in the Biden case. All the family, they weren't Panamanians, though they were his family members, weren't they? They were family, yeah. Isn't that exposing them to all this, too? Absolutely. Oh my God.

Absolutely. They can't explain where this money came from. There was no service that was performed. No. It was just money coming into the accounts. Exactly what we did, you know, the same way. And that's why I said it's a regal indictment. Whether he's found guilty or not, that's another thing.

You know, innocent until proven guilty. But there's definitely enough there for an indictment. he had more because he had text messages. He had emails He had whistleblowers. He had phone calls. There was so much evidence to to indict him under the Rico statute How does the shell company work? Well, you just all you need the shell company for is to open up a bank account. It does nothing else. You have to have a is to open up a bank account. It does nothing else. You have to have a, you incorporate in Delaware or something and then you-

Yeah, we incorporated in Panama because it was just, it was hard to trace. And at that time, to own a Panamanian company that had bearish stock, you didn't even have to have a name on it. Whoever held the stock owned the company. I'm just thinking, wouldn't it be as simple as, okay, you know, Jill Biden, you've got three shell accounts in your name. Show'm just thinking, wouldn't it be as simple as, okay, you know, Jill Biden,

you've got three shell accounts in your name. Show us the minutes, the quarterly minutes from your corporation. 100%. So you think they're going to be quarterly minutes? And not only that, explain the suspicious bank records. Where did this money come from? What were you paid for? What was the service? What was the product? There is none. There's none. Not for 20 some odd million dollars. Again, I'm guessing he had extraordinarily good lawyers working on this, and I'm guessing that they have

such a careful sort of road to the bank that it'd be impossible to figure it out. I don't think so. I think they just, they're not going after him. I mean, from what the GOP found in their committee, there's enough there for an indict committee, there's enough there. Run and dive, there's no question. And I asked Rudy Giuliani and he said, 100% Michael.

He said, I have more evidence in this case than I had against yours. And he called it the Biden crime family. Does he talk about that in his podcast? I think I've not listened in a long time. I don't know if he talks in his podcast, but he just wrote a book, Biden crime family. So he's going to put it all in there.

I mean, it's all in there. Oh, interesting. Are there other areas of the government that you could see as corrupt that with your eye and experience that the average person might not see? Well, you know, we have to go with current information that's coming out now through Doge and, you know, all of this US aid and the money is being spent.

It's like a shell company, shell, the same thing as the shell bank account, something just flows through it, right? Absolutely. And you'd have to, you'd have to almost believe in Santa Claus to not believe that there's kickbacks coming back on this. Well, not even kickbacks, just all it needs is a little bit of

sloppiness. And there's literally millions of dollars that could fly all over the place. Absolutely. Just a little bit of sloppiness, like, oh, sorry, we didn't know. I guess, well, we got 2 billion and we spent 190 billion 190 million rather or whatever but whatever I'm not doing the math properly

But but the point is 10 million 20 million. No one would notice let alone figure out where it went It's no, you know, I read I don't know how true it is but it was pretty well documented that Chelsea Clinton received 80 million dollars to do something in Haiti for Haiti aid and Three million dollars out of that went to pay for her wedding and nine million to buy a mansion I read that too is that nobody's nobody talked about the rest of it And then what is the Clinton Foundation doing? What is it? Is it do something? Speaking of the services. This is the strangest time. Do you have an overall sense of what happened?

I mean, you know what I mean? Is it, I mean, let's, all right, let's step back and talk about the mafia families and how they really got going. It was just wrinkles in the system that some people saw that other people didn't that they took advantage of. Exactly.

Very simple. Exactly. It included a lot of behavior that was sort of established many, many years before, but ultimately it was just sort of wrinkles in our system that they could exploit, given what they knew about exploiting things like that. Yeah.

Not different with the government, right? It's not different. And I'll give you an example, you know, and I always say this and people say, why do you say this? You know, when we were on the street, we had a lot of democratic politician friends. As a matter of fact,

the most powerful guy in the democratic Party at that time, I won't mention his name, he's passed on now, but he's very close with us. We had a lot of Democrats that we were working with. Why Democrats? They were easier to corrupt. The Republicans were always known as the law and order people. We stayed away from them, you know, because they were always law and order. At least that's how the perception was back then.

And a Democratic leader at one time was getting me my licenses so that I can collect the tax money. And I was paying him. He was on a payroll. And he did a lot of favors for us. I always say this. What do politicians want?

They want two things. They want votes, and they want money. At one point in time, we controlled all the unions in this country. You control the unions, Dr. Drew. You control the country in a big way. Because Teamsters Union, you had two and a half million members,

plus their family, right? You had huge pensions funds, hundreds of millions of dollars, billions of dollars. And so politicians would do our bidding because they wanted the votes and they wanted the money. Is the teachers union another opportunity for some sort of Rico? You know again, I don't like to speak out of turn because I'm hearing now what everybody else is hearing Mm-hmm, but you know from my experience on the street and dealing with them

I have to say there's a lot of stuff going on there I mean, they're so in bed with I mean the teachers you're so in bed with the Democratic Party Mm-hmm. I mean you could see you know, they're just an arm of the Democrats, at least when Biden was in office and before that. Boy, were you, were you living in California? You were here during COVID, right? Yeah. So you saw what they did to this state.

Yeah. Yeah. It was wild. I interviewed some people from, it wasn't even the teachers' union. I think it was the, it wasn't even the teachers' union. And I said, all right. I was like a secretary or something. And I said, all right.

I said, okay, let's do this. What do you guys need? Let's go. You know, we need gloves. We need the bears. I said, all right, I was like a secretary or something. And I said, all right. I said, okay, let's do this. What do you guys need? Let's go. We need gloves. We need the barriers. I said, all right, how long is it going to take? What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

I said, how long? Two weeks, three weeks? Actually, I think it was Ellie Unified I was talking to at the time. Because I was thinking in terms of the Unified system. And she was like, like no thought of returning to school or the kids returning to school.

And then when I pushed, she then complained that I was a racist and a sexist. Really? Yeah, she was Asian female, therefore I'm racist and sexist for pushing. It's like, I was just trying to get the, let's get this going, what's holding this up? Get the kids back to school.

It was after about eight months or something. I could imagine what it'd go on for another eight months or something. Little, I could imagine when it go on for another eight months or 10 months, whatever it was. It was just, just. And look at the aftermath of that now. Did you see by the way, oh my God, the aftermath was completely predictable. And there was a high,

I was complaining about it from day one. I said, you're going to have depressed, anxious kids who lose their, who lose their way because they're, don't get the usual developmental milestones. But did you see today, Charlie Kirk talking to Newsome? I heard about it. I didn't see it, I was on a plane.

Yeah, so. Well, interesting. One of the things, Kirk got him into a trap where Newsome said, oh, my son's a big Charlie Kirk fan. And Kirk goes, really, really? And Newsome goes, yeah, my son's a big Charlie Kirk fan. And Kirk goes, really, really? And he said, and Newsom goes, yeah, but he, you know, he can't go to school. He's at school now, so otherwise he'd come in and meet you.

And Kirk goes, oh, you don't let your son miss school? He goes, oh, absolutely not. He goes, what about the two years for the entire state of California? And I was like, oh, perfect. This is the best. It's funny you say that, because my wife told me as we were driving here that they had sat down together, I didn't know it.

And I said, Newsom is no match for Charlie Kirk. I think it worked out, I think it was civil. I think it turned out civil. So we'll see, I will all watch it. So tell me more about how you got into the wine business and all that and out here to the California. Well, first of all, I've been drinking wine since I'm 10 years old.

My grandfather used to make it in his basement in Brooklyn. He'd make homemade stuff and he'd make us drink it. Get your tough, you gotta drink it. He was an old Italian guy. It's a toilet wine. Yeah, yeah. And I remember how strong it was. All my cousins, we all had to drink it.

And so I love wine. Wine for me was always sit down at the dinner table, brings people together. It was always, I'd never go to a bar and love wine. You know, wine for me was always sit down at the dinner table, brings people together, you know, it was always, I'd never go to a bar and order wine. So just about four or five years ago, well actually less than four years ago, an Armenian follower of mine, young man, he came to me and he said,

my uncle has a vineyard in Armenia. And we want to introduce that wine into the United States. What made him think of you? Well, he was a follower of mine. I meet this kid. He's heard you talk about wine and stuff. No, no, he didn't hear me. I meet this kid, you got to hear the story.

It's amazing. And I always love when I see a young man that's really determined to make himself good. So he comes and meet me, maybe about five or six years ago. And he says to me, Mr. Michael, he calls me, I've been following you since I'm 10 years old. And I said, 10 years old?

Why would you follow me? Usually a celebrity, a sports figure, he said, no, I've been following you, right? So we got a little friendly, and then he approaches me later on about the wine. So I went into the business, I did my research on the wine from our media, because I said, it's Italian or Napa Valley, but I did my research on the wine from Armidia, because I said, maybe it's Italian or, you know, Napa Valley, but I did my research on it,

tasted it, it was great. But I really went into business because of him, because he impressed me so much, you know, and I said, wow, I'm going to help this young man really make a go of it. And we've been together three or four years now. But the reason he chose me is because, you know, this story goes, and I think we're backed up by Forbes, they've done a lot of research on this, that Noah's Ark, when Noah's Ark landed, it landed at the foot of Mount Ararat, the floods subsided, and under the new civilization,

that's where the first vineyards were grown. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, so it's kind of a transformation. I've said forever, because yeah, I mean, literally, probably more Armenians in our life than any other ethnic group. And we used to go to,

we often will go to fundraisers and things like that. The first, as we first started going, I'm like, wait a minute, this is, this is familiar. Oh, you're the lost tribe of Israel. That's what that is. That's the lost tribe of Israel, which I'm convinced of it. Exactly the same culture. Exactly. And I was with a whole bunch of them last night. convinced of it. Exactly the same culture.

Exactly, and I was with a whole bunch of them last night. You hit it right on the head there. Yeah. But, yeah. So, you know, he said, and your story is a story of transformation, so we want to put it together and make you the brand. Oh, that's great, brilliant.

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. So you have non-alcoholic stuff. We haven't been drinking for many months. We're going to try it for the break. Well, I got to tell you, we're really excited because we introduced it to Walmart. And Walmart put it in seven states. And I think the first order was 2,300 cases,

which is really unusual. Yeah, we were very, very happy to hear that. And there's something here I've never seen is pomegranate Armenian wine. And what a bottle, wow. Flying off the shelves, you shelves, people are loving it. They're making sangria out of it. They're cooking with it.

And in fact, Chef Gruhl said he's going to drum up something with the pomegranate wine, he liked it. I was thinking about, we both have done his podcast with him and his wife, and I was thinking just, this morning in the shower, I think I was thinking about how easy he makes everything look. But I thought, oh, I was thinking about how easy he makes everything look, but I thought,

I thought, oh, he was doing like magic. I just got to, he just directed my hands in certain directions. So it's like. And it was good too. Oh yeah, very much so. Okay, we need to take a break. We got a lot to get into.

I still, maybe before the break, I think the wine is enticing me to want to take the break now because you said you're gonna. I know that. Oh yeah, okay, well after the break. But I want to hear, the one thing I want to hear about before we go more deeper into Pollock says, let's just do this now, is your transformation.

We really didn't talk about that. What was that? Well, you know, I have to say this, and I want to be really clear on this. I always call the mob life an evil, bad lifestyle. I want to be really clear. I'm not calling the guys evil. You know, there were some good guys, you know, the age-old question, why do good people do bad things? And a number of reasons for that. But a lot of good guys, I was one of them, so I don't say that. But the lifestyle is evil, Dr. Drew, because I don't know any family of any member of that life

that hasn't been destroyed, including my own, not my wife and kids. Well, we became, I, as Susan told you before the mics heated up, that I hosted the Mob Wives reunion one year. We became friendly with them. We're still a friend with Renee Graziano and her sister. And I've heard over and over,

they sort of reoccupied by how much this affects their lives. But they also cling to it at the same time. It's very interesting. Well, it is. And you know, what happened is, I mean, my mother passed away in 2012, 33 years without her husband. And at the end of her life, her relationship with my dad was ugly.

She blamed him for everything that went wrong and rightfully so. I saw that a lot in the mob wife stuff. That's a common reaction, right? It's common. And she had basis for feeling that way. I had a sister, died of an overdose of drugs. My younger sister, 41 years old, was never mentally stable. She passes away at 41, smoked. It was just terrible. Didn't take care of herself.

Our brother, 25 years of drug addict. I hate anything to do with drugs. It was so destructive. When the frustration grows and the doubts start to creep in, we all need someone who has our back to tell us we'll be okay, to remind us of our ability to believe because their belief in us transfers to self-belief and reminds us of all that we're capable of. We all need someone to make us believe.

Hashtag you got this. And you know just trying to keep him alive was a chore So the whole family destroyed so I met a young girl You know she was 20 years old I fell in love with her And I said am I gonna do the same thing to her because I had such a bullseye on my back There was no way I was gonna go through that life you in prison. No. I was out. I was out I was actually I was producing a movie I was in the film business also, among many things I was doing. And so she was a dancer in the movie.

With dirty money or were you doing it legit or both? It was both. Mostly dirty. The film is often that, right? It was mostly the gas tax money that I was taking at the time. Okay. But I was making this movie, she was a dancer in the film. I meet her in Florida on the set, fall in love with her. So I said, am I going to marry this girl and do the same thing? Because I was making this movie, she was a dancer in the film. I meet her in Florida on the set, fall in love with her. So I said, am I going to marry this girl and do the same thing?

Because I was still under investigation. I was never not under investigation from the first moment I got into that. How old are you at this point? I'm 31. And she was 19 when I met her. And so I decided I had to make a choice. It was either her or the life. And I chose her.

She's sitting over here? Yeah. She's there. Good. We her or the life. And I chose her. She's sitting over here? Yeah. Okay. Good. We're going to be married 40 years this year. Congratulations. It worked out. I made the right choice.

Yeah. And did she help with this transformation or were you already well on your way with it? I mean, obviously the commitment to her is important, but did she also help call you out in some of your shit, so to speak? She caused the transformation. Okay. Well, she caused it call you out in some of your shit, so to speak? She caused the transformation. Okay, well she caused it because you fell in love with her,

but she also caused it because she could see, yeah. Yeah, well you know. I should interview you too. She was a very strong person of faith, a strong Christian, as was her mother. And you were in the Catholic church. I grew up a Catholic, I was even an altar boy. But for some reason for me, Catholicism was like a subject a Catholic. I was even an altar boy. But for some reason for me,

Catholicism was like a subject in school. I didn't get into it. Yeah, it was just procedural. And when I watched her and observed her, she was serious about her faith. Normal, you know, 19, 20 year old, but different. And she was serious. So I respected that and I respected her mom,

who was very outspoken, but I wasn't buying into it. Did mom have concerns about this? Oh yeah. Well, to the point where she said, I'm praying for you every single day. Oh. She actually put my name in her prayer book and she prayed for me every single day.

You know, but still it really, you know, I said, I got to protect this girl, but it really didn't happen to me until I went into prison and I took a 10-year prison sentence and I had a big rest 15 million dollar restitution. I had a plane and a helicopter I gave it all up to the government at that point to settle a case with them And this was this whole gasoline tax case. It was a Rico case and I did five years Now, let me tell you this to give her a little bit more credit We got married, she was 21.

We got married in July of 85. I went off to prison in December. At the time of your wedding, did she know that was coming? No. You didn't know yet? No. Was the case happening at that point or?

It was under investigation. Under investigation, which is your way of life. Yes. And then they indicted me in December and never gave me bail. So for the time of my indictment, I stayed in prison and and she You know, so I go off to prison in December and I did five years on the 10 I made parole after five years. I was home 13 months very difficult time It became public that I walked away and I had a lot of people upset with me back in New York.

Walked away from the mom. Yeah. It became Life Magazine wrote a news story and Vanity Fair. Did anybody try to hurt you? I had a contract on my life, and the feds had come into prison and says, your boss at that time put a contract to you.

It's all over the street. Our informants are telling us, and your father went along with it. Now, I want to be clear on that too, because would my dad have ever pulled a trigger on me? No I don't believe so but he had to go along because people thought I was going to become this major witness and start testifying against people. It was never my game plan but everybody thought that because people just don't walk away so I had a lot of trouble. I'm home for 13 months it was a very hectic time in our life.

And then I violate my parole. And they take- Hanging out with people? You know- Same thing your dad did? You know, I hate to do this because then it's like, but I really didn't do anything, but the feds were really upset with me

and they violated my parole for not paying my taxes and stuff like that. And so they throw me back in and they said they were going to indict me for all sorts of cases. I'd never come out of prison alive and all of that, but they couldn't indict me on anything. There was nothing out there, but they gave me four years on the violation,

which was the maximum. And I spent 35 more months, which was maxing out, but it put me in a hole for 29 months and seven days. So I was in solitary all that time. And it was- Do you think any part of that was them worried that somebody was going to come get you? No, I think it was just... Well, the Bureau of Prisons used that as an excuse. You're in there for your own protection. Because I didn't do anything wrong. But I know the feds... Make some sense though? It's not totally irrational?

You know what? I would write the warden a letter every day. I had a yellow pad and a paper. Warden, let me out. I had a yellow pad and a paper. Warden, let me out. I'm in Lompoc, California. There's no guys out here. I don't have to worry about anything. Oh, what were you doing out here? Well, because I had moved out here.

So they sent me to prison. Oh, you were out here. Yeah, so they put me out here. You know, at least they did that. So I can get some visits. But they kept me in there all that time. And it was during that time that I became a person of faith. I mean, I really studied the Bible.

I studied all the other faiths. I had my wife send me in books on every faith. And I just came out of there, Christianity had really worked for me. So that's when it- Was there a moment of clarity? There was a moment of, it was the first night that they locked me up

because they told me at that time, I'd never come out of prison. They were going to indict me on a murder case, they said. And I'm going to be honest with you, Dr. Truber, that was a night of real fear. I said it was the first night in my life that I really felt out of control of everything. I was always a control guy. I can handle anything, you know, don't worry about it.

I'll deal with it. But that night I had no answers. And so I said, man, I'm going to lose this girl. You know, I did all of this for her. She's 27 years old. Why would she wait for me? And I said, they can't put me on a yard. I got everybody upset with me. I'm done, you know? And you know, the thing for me that night, I had visited my dad over 20 years, I saw my family fall apart. I really felt that night. I just really wanted to close my eyes and just not wake up. It was it was, I don't know if people can understand how painful it could be just to think about your situation. It was so it was probably the most pain I ever experienced in my life just thinking about it.

I said, I'm done. Well, you know, why do you want to live? I wasn't, you know, and I say this, I used to demean people that were suicidal. I said, you're weak, you can't face up to your troubles. After that experience, I don't do it anymore because I can understand. Let's take a quick break.

I got more questions about that moment because that's a pretty, I'm sure a lot happened to you that night, really. And then we're going to go back into the politics. We're going to go back into the mafia democracy, which you should order Amazon, I assume. Rudy Giuliani endorsed, he wrote the forward to this, which is by the way, not a blurb.

The forward, that's not a small ask from Julie. So congratulations on that. We got a bunch more to get into. Let me quickly look at you guys out on the restream and whatnot. We're going to taste the wine. Again, I told you I want you to go to franzisewine.com. You can also go to michaelfranzise.com

and michaelfranzise on X. Hold on here. And the podcast is the Michael Franzese show on Rumble. You got to check that also. Anything Susan on the Rumble Rance, I'm just looking. R-A-N-Z-E-S-E. Yeah. On YouTube too, by the way.

It's also on YouTube. Okay. What is this? Looks like your embedded link is invalid. I don't know what that's all about. We'll do it again. All right, we'll take a little break. Be right back after this.

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Sure Enjoy it really good. Thank you All right, I'm gonna go to the mic and say that again Really is good. It's not what you usually get when you get a... An alcohol-free wine. No. And I'm going to take one to Zarina, who my daughter-in-law just had a baby and she's breastfeeding.

We had some non-alcoholic wine the other day and I was like, meh. You know. Well, I'm going to send a bunch of bottles over to you for sure. No, I'm not kidding. I haven't had wine in about a year and I love wine But I'm trying to be sober right so and I haven't had a it that was really good It just kind of gave me a little kick and if you chill it a little bit you'll enjoy it even more It was fine. It was really good. No, honestly

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and then the reality was terrible. And you had something called passive suicidal ideation. Like I wish I could die kind of thing. You'd have a plan to kill yourself. You just were like, I don't know if I can live like this. If something took me, good. Right? Yeah, and I'll say this too.

A lot of people, I'm against the death penalty. And the only reason I'm against it is because I think the government obviously is not always right and you can't execute an innocent person. And we know that through DNA DNA a lot of people were freed or wrongly convicted and sentenced to death. But people don't understand how bad it could be living in solitary confinement for the rest of your life.

It's horrible. And so I'm laying there and I said you know this isn't a life. I'd rather just close my eyes and not wake up. That's all that night there to continue for several days. No, it was that night because I don't want to say it's an epiphany, but something happened that moment of clarity. Yeah. Something, something.

Did you feel like something stepped in? No, it was something did step in. It was a prison guard that walked by myself and he opened up the flap on the door, checking in on me and I was laying down and normally in prison I was doing my thing and he looked at me and he said, friends of me, you okay? You don't look that good. And I said, get away from me. I really chased him.

I said, I don't want to see any of you guys tonight. Leave me alone. And he left and he came back within two minutes and he pushed a Bible through the slot on the door and it fell on the floor and I was kind of groggy and I heard like a thump and I looked down and I saw it was a Bible and I actually got mad. Right. Yeah, I said I don't want a Bible and I'm laying down there and I don't know just everything

you know you feel sorry for yourself a lot of emotions you go through in a short time and I just I never forget I jumped off the cot and I picked up the Bible and I just slammed it against the wall. And I was just really upset. Riders, ready, set, go! Riders! Riding a bike in the Ride to Conquer Cancer is like being part of humanity's greatest.

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If you're really there, give me something to help me out. I'm really in bad shape tonight And and I you know, I never read the Bible. You know, in Catholic school, you don't read the Bible. You read the catechism. Jesus reads the gospel from the pulpit. And so I didn't even know where to begin. And it just fell open to the book of Proverbs. And I started reading Proverbs, which was enlightening to me because I'm a very analytical guy. You know, I'm a guy that my whole life I had to deal with evidence from helping my father, helping myself. Evidence was everything in my life.

Show me the facts. And I started reading Proverbs and I said, wow, this is a brilliant book. This guy is really smart, Solomon. And without getting into all of it, I just came to two verses. One verse that really, I think this was the epiphany. It was Proverbs 16, 7 that just stopped me cold and it says, when a man's ways are pleasing to

the Lord, even his enemies are at peace with him. And because I had nothing but enemies that night, it kind of, wow, what does he mean by that? And then it's, you know, I had that look in the mirror moment where, who are you kidding? Yeah, you walked away from the life and you married this girl, but you're still a gangster. You still got the mind, you still got it, you're still the same guy. So don't be mad at anybody but yourself. And I kind of just faced my own demon at that moment. And I start to read on from there and another couple of verses really hit me and I said, okay Here's what I here's what I said that night. I said, you know, I

Trusted my father more than anything in my life. I fall. I love my dad my dad I would have I would have given my life for my dad at one point And and I believe he would have done the same for me and I said I trusted him I got into this life and look where it got me. I Said then I took a blood oath him. I got into this life and look where it got me. I said then I took a blood oath and when I came into the life I gave it, I really felt for the life.

I wanted to be that guy and I wanted to be the best possible mom guy I could be. I said so I made the wrong decision twice. I can't do it again. If there really is an eternity and I'm facing it, I want to know what's real or what's not real. And that's when I said I kind of challenged God that night and I said facing it, I want to know what's real or what's not real. And that's when I said, I kind of challenged God that night and I said, just show me.

And for the next 29 months and seven days, nonstop, I mean, if you see my prison Bible, there's more of my notes than there is scripture in there. I mean, I put notes on everything. And then I had my wife send me in books on every faith and I just started studying. And I had a Sony Walkman I would listen to. Pastor Greg Laurie, I don't know if you ever heard of Greg.

He's a huge pastor out here. He's got Harvest Crusades, he runs every year. He's actually been at the White House several times. And I started to listen to him and he was helping me interpret scripture when I had an issue with it. He didn't know it but he was doing it and just happened to work out. And I just came out of there with,

I don't want to say a different person, but I came out feeling different. I really believed in God at that point, and I believed in Christ, and it's carried me through the last 30 years. Interesting, it's a great story. St. Augustine had a moment like that, pick it up and read.

And he opened to a page and that's where he started. You mentioned your mind was the same. I've always been a little bit fascinated by, well, I say is that the right word, ignorant. Is a closer worry to how the criminal mind works because whenever I work with people Have issues that I could usually work with I can always tell when there's a criminal piece in there because I'll get somewhere where They just go everything's bullshit. I can't trust anything. I can't trust anybody So you can't trust you or can't trust whatever and there's never everything's kind of sort of bullshit is is that what

is that am I on to anything with that is that part of that mind or Was that it could because you were in such a system. It was the system mind you were part of No, I I can't say that about myself. I'm actually I normally do it the other way Well, it depends who I'm dealing with a lot of times you start out at a thousand percent with me. As a matter of fact, I think I'm less eerie about people than my wife is. My wife is more her radar is up and she usually has a better perspective than me, believe it or not.

But when I was on the street, it was different because there you have to watch everybody. Yeah. So it's a tough life to navigate, especially if you were somebody in my position where you had law enforcement and the street to worry about. So I was always pretty keen back then. But it's changed now. But you know, I have to ask you something. Yeah. Because I had this conversation with Jordan Peterson and we're talking about lying.

Yeah. with Jordan Peterson and we're talking about lying. Yeah. And I said, my father always said something to me and it really hit home and that's what I practiced throughout my life. My dad says, I'll never lie to hurt anybody. Understand that son, but I'll lie to help somebody. When I said that to Jordan, he said, well, you're a liar

then, if you believe that. And I said, well, why? I said, if if you believe that. And I said, well, why? I said, if I want to help somebody, I don't want to put them in trouble, why would you consider that wrong? I just want to know what your feelings on that. I don't know, was he calling it wrong or was he just calling it matter of fact?

I mean, a liar is a liar is sort of what he's saying. Yeah, a liar is a liar, basically. And I don't know how you could get, survive in that business without lying. You'd have to. And that's, but in a way that's sort of getting at what I was talking about, where you don't trust anything anybody's saying, right?

Cause you assume somebody, you might trust it, but you start with, we'll see. Well, yeah, I mean, business-wise, absolutely. And if I don't know somebody, I'm careful that way. But, you know, I like to give somebody a shot first and see. I tell my son-in-law's future that you start out at 1000%. You can only go down from there or you can stay the same. That's it. Maybe get better. How was Jordan Peterson? Would you learn something from that conversation? It was a great conversation.

I'm sure of it. It was very deep. You know, Jordan went very deep into the psychology. He was very interested in my time in solitary. Well, he has this, he's one of the only people, I got to him 15 years ago or 20 maybe, where he was, he's very oriented towards the Christian scripture. And he was sort of pulling together psychology and anthropology, which is something

that interests me greatly. But he does it only through the prism of stories in the Bible, essentially. Did he start to go back down those? We didn't go into that too much. He was more interested, he was really analyzing me. It was kind of an analysis, but it was a good conversation. It was very deep, probably the deepest

that I've had up to that point. Was he worried you hadn't changed for real? No, I don't think so. But I think the lying thing got to him a little bit. And I said, you haven't changed my mind. You lie now? Well, I would lie to help somebody again, yeah.

Yeah, because I wrote down the word, where did I write it? I'm sure I wrote down here, somewhere I wrote honest. Here it is, honest. Honest and fear, I wrote. And it's hard to continue to be the person that you say you are and you want to be if you're not rigorously honest. Now remember, lying is, there's such a thing

as lying with justification. And it's not really lying. And it's, you know, you have to acknowledge to yourself and somebody that you're lying, and you're doing it for a reason. And that reason is where you can get into trouble, right? If you're doing it to save somebody's life, if you're lying so you can kill Hitler, well, guess what, lying's totally appropriate.

But where do you draw the line is the hard part. Yeah, and you know, he said, because if you're lying to help somebody, in essence you're hurting them. Because maybe they should've- Boy, that's a pretty pure way of looking at it. Yeah, they should've paid the price or they should've been exposed.

And I said, Jordan, I can't go for that. It's an interesting question and it gets deep fast, but I deal with a lot of people with drug addiction, that kind of thing, and they have to be rigorously honest or they immediately launch on a course that'll take them back to drugs and alcohol. So I don't know how they solve those problems because they certainly can't trust themselves

where their brain works to decide when lying is good or bad Because the drug addiction the addiction part of the brain will go this is good time to lie. This is it. You're right This is what lies justified. Yes, that's how they get into real trouble So they have to be rigorously honest all the time come what may Yeah, and I I totally agree with that having dealt with you know drug addicts for a good part of my life You know, I will say this a good part of my life. You know, I will say this. People say, are you really a different person?

And you know, I don't live in a pattern of bad things anymore, because you can't be a Christian and live in a pattern of sin, so to speak. You can't do that. But you know, you get the same thoughts, you know, you don't act on them anymore, you know, and that's, that's what's in because, you know, Bible don't act on them anymore. You know, and that's what's happening, because you know, the Bible says you're a new creation, and I guess you are because you're not doing the things that you might have done before,

but it's not that you don't have those thoughts, if you understand what I'm saying. Kind of, yeah. Because there's different ways of changing, right? Not all change is the same, and one of the changes is just acting, living a certain kind of life. And then things internally change along with that eventually. Right.

You're saying that, say it again, so I make sure I understand it. Well, I still have the thoughts of, I'll say this and I get in trouble, I say this in church, we're not in trouble, but I always look at the pastor and say, excuse me for this, but I said, I would have no problem,

and maybe you can justify this or not, I would have no problem. And maybe you can justify this or not. I would have no problem taking tax money from the government. Like I did before at one time, especially now, knowing what they do. And I can do a lot better with the money than they'll do. So I don't have a moral issue with that. But I wouldn't do it because I'm not going to jeopardize myself, my family, by going back to prison, getting in trouble. But morally, I don't have an issue with it.

I don't know if that's right or wrong, but that's just how I feel. Well, it's somebody has an issue with it. But I'm kind of with him. Well, I understand what he's saying. And the there's, you know, the sort of a, unfortunately, probably some of these people in the government were thinking that way too. And that's how you end up with this, right?

That's how you end up with this stuff. I'll show you the book again. And so, to take a morally rigid position that the law is always right, may not be right. I mean, in 1939 in Germany, it wasn't right. I don't think so. Yeah, and so it's just, these are deep questions. The problem is there are slippery slopes for you.

That's the problem. Let me tell you what happens. A Christian will come back to me and say, well, remember what Jesus said, render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are Caesar's and to God, the things that are God's. And I said, okay, but let's understand the context in which he said that he's got all those people

around him. He's got the Pharisees trying to challenge him, trap him. So what is he going to say? Naturally, he's not going to get his people in trouble. I said, yeah, the Romans are bad people. They're overtaxing you and you shouldn't have to pay that. And they're really, they're really abusing you. He's not going to say that because then he's telling people to break the law. So he's not going to do that. So he couldn't be outsmarted.

Didn't mean that he believed that what the Romans were doing was right. I'm sure he didn't like it. He knew what was wrong. So what I'm saying is, so I'm taking it a little bit differently, I don't have to worry about people around me, this is just me. Use that mind for good. That's all I'm saying.

Make sure you keep using it for good. But I want to make it clear, I'm not going to do it. Well, again, for whatever reason, I'm thinking of RFK Jr. too. He was telling me, he goes, I hate going to meetings, I hate going to meetings, because he's a 20 year recovering herring neck. And he goes, but I go because I know I have to,

even though I hate it. It's the same kind of thing. Like you can think all these things, but you got to live a certain kind of life. Is this the way, or you end on a slope that takes you to a bad place. It's that simple. I will tell you this, you know,

I am really dead set against solitary confinement for young people. Because I saw a lot of guys that not do well in that situation and I don't blame them. I don't demean them at all. In what sense? What happened to them? If you can help us.

Well, lights go out and you hear all sorts of crazy people cutting their wrists and things like that. Anything to get out of the hole. They don't realize that that just gets them to the hospital and then back in the hole. It's one of the most serious punishments that a human can endure. It's torture. Yeah, torture.

It's a torture. People don't appreciate that. Let's go back to the government and what they're oh, I just thought of something else one before we get to the government. This is corollary to the government or close acquaintance, which is Epstein. What do you imagine happened there? Because do you think, I guess the question I have is, you think you realize he was facing something awful and had that suicidal impulse that you felt?

Or did somebody kill him? I don't believe he committed suicide. I can't fathom. I was on that same exact tier. And first of all, there's nothing to hang yourself on. You'd say that means like bed or something. There's a bunk and maybe the bunk is this high. You'd have to be a midget in order to try to hang yourself.

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So it would be, it would be so hard for him to do that. It would be very difficult. I guess there's a wrinkle in that you could say maybe somebody let him do that. Or somebody set him up. Well, that's, yeah. Or somebody had set him up. Well, that's it. Or somebody had somebody kill him. Well, that's the other part.

But I'm trying to finish the suicide part. Somebody allowed him to do that thing. You want to carry this out? Go ahead. I don't think so. I think, look, I think he had enough on people there that he thought he can get himself out of it. And I think if it ever comes out,

I don't know if it ever will, but if we ever get the real black book and the real evidence, because they have the evidence, whether they destroyed it or not, we don't know. I heard they did now. Do you have a theory of what's in there, given that you're- I think there's just a lot of powerful people

that have been doing a lot of bad things. I mean, I'm hearing, you know, I've heard things about the Clintons from people that allegedly in the know. I don't want to repeat it because I don't know for a fact, but they were very definite about Hillary and Bill and some other people. So, but again, I don't repeat it

because I don't know for sure. But I think he was rash enough to believe that nobody's going to hurt me at the end of the day. I'm going to barter myself out of this thing. And I believe they killed him. I really do. Look, if I had to make a choice you have to you have one answer or another wrong answer you're gonna die I would say somebody killed him. Yeah the mob has been implicated or discussed you know in various

conspiracies circles and JFK's situation any thoughts about that? Dr. Drew, I would say another situation. I heard my entire life from the people in the know who normally don't take credit or talk about things like this. It's just the opposite. 100% that this was a mob helped killing. What do I mean by that? They didn't set it up. I don't believe they set it up. Hated the believe they set it up. Hated the Kennedys enough, and they had reason to hate the Kennedys. Robert Kennedy went after the mob after a deal was made for them to back off.

We delivered Illinois for them, that's a fact. Jack Ruby 100% was a mob associate. Always going back from Chicago to Dallas to New Orleans. He was 100% hooked up. His strip clubs were owned, basically operated by people in New Orleans with him. He was 100% hooked up. His strip clubs were owned basically and operated by people in New Orleans with him. He was the operator. And he was the guy that was designated to kill Oswald to clean it up. Was that ahead of time, do you think? Or then once it had happened? No, ahead of time. I believe we should have... Look, it was the

third or fourth or fifth time that they came to us for something. They did it in World War II. They did it in, you know, what the, what was I going to say, when they wanted to execute Castro, they were trying to kill Castro. They came to us to do it. They were supposed to poison him. It didn't work, but they came. These are facts.

So I'll tell you what the real measure of this is. If we ever do get these documents, the classified documents, they have tried to say that Jack Ruby was not a mob associate. They tried to take that away. If those documents say that, you can throw everything out. Because you're 100% and they knew he was. So I want to see what they say in those documents about Ruby.

Because if they try to wash that over then forget it. And the whole thing's gone. It's all garbage as far as I'm concerned. And again, I would stake my life on it. And I want to go back one. This is good. Do you have any questions, if anything? We've got a psychic medium here. Somebody on Rumble, J Wink said,

"'Drew, please ask Michael why the mafia didn't just put one of their kids in control of the casinos and set back and make millions legally?' Well, we were in control of the casinos for quite some time. And then that fell apart when really corporate America came in and started to buy everything up and we sold. So we had a lot of control.

I mean, we build Vegas. There's no question about that. No doubt about that. Yeah. But yeah. And some of those guys are still there. Yeah, yeah. Low key.

Low key, but not necessarily in an ownership position or at least not a direct managing position, but they're around, people talk about it. Yeah, some of the people that deliver some of the tablecloths and all that stuff, they were still mob affiliated. That's so funny. I want to drill,

is it, Barj sent me a text about somebody, Mighty Megatron, is that the one you're asking? Is that, was that the question? Did you see, Mighty Megatron. Is that the one you're asking? Is that, was that the question? Did you see at Mighty Megatron? Was that at Mighty Megatron that asked that question? No, that was J Wink. Okay, so Barsh texted that there was a question. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or nice. Let me go up here. Okay, you look around. I want to ask more questions here. This is the very top, it's the beginning of it. Oh, here it is. I want to ask more questions here. It's the very top. It's the beginning of the show. Oh, here it is. This is for Michael.

Does he remember Buddy Gianchi, the Providence mayor in the 80s? What kind of dirt is he involved in besides getting some goons to beat her wife's lover? No, I didn't really know it. There was a lot packed into that question. Aren't you glad we asked? Well, he is. I'm good as somebody I don't know. It was a lot packed into that question. Aren't you glad we asked? Well, he, I mean, I don't know. I didn't really, I don't really know your background

and I asked you, hey, you know the girl, of course you do, but it's just funny because like I'm, you know, I'm just, I'm not really a mob expert. So I just know. You just know Renee and Jennifer. Yeah, I'm friends with them. So and yeah, it's only going to get back to the government.

So what do we do? I'm going to ask you again that question. I have a feeling you evaded me on that one. No, a little bit because because where do we start? What do we do? If you had a even a magic wand, you know, if you could do what you wanted to do, what would you do? I would just open up these investigations.

I don't think it's going to be very difficult. Meaning RICO investigations or? Well, first, you have to see where it leads. If it leads. Oh, the investigations. The investigations. But we did it with Joe Biden, it went nowhere. It went everywhere and then nothing happened.

Well, because they didn't want to pursue it. That's the only, I mean, look, his own special counsel said, you know, he had classified documents he wasn't supposed to have as vice president and even as a senator. But he was old and demented, and he would never get convicted. So they let it go. But he was guilty of that.

As a matter of fact, he was more guilty than Trump was. On everything. But they just didn't pursue it. So if Cash Patel and Bondi are on the level, I think they should investigate January 6th. That whole thing. I mean, I spoke to two of them that were pardoned. And these people did nothing. They absolutely did nothing, went to jail for no reason. And I think that's a story about a lot of people there. They shouldn't investigate the whole committee, how it came about, the fact that I think Cash Patel said it.

I don't know if you read this, but a few days prior to Trump going to that rally, whatever you want to call it, his speech, he went to the FBI and he said, we need the National Guard there. Cash Patel went to Pelosi and went to the mayor and they refused him. Refused it, why?

I believe that was the first set up to try to really get rid of Trump. The whole committee that they put was all whitewashed, there was no real Republicans on there. It was so much damage. If you listen to these people that were pardoned, they didn't do anything. No, I know.

Nothing. Absolutely, and then we have, I wonder if you have any thoughts about Elon Musk on Rogan the other day saying that he, I think it was sort of after he was discussing fraud and corruption in the Defense Department, it wasn't directly in relation to that, but it prompted him to say,

you know, I know a lot more than I'm saying, and if I did say it all here, it'd kill me. Well, listen, I don't put that past the government, honestly. Is that the, so it's the three letter agencies that would do it or? Yeah. And what kind of stuff would he be seeing, do you think that would cause them to go? I think it's all these kickbacks and all the manipulation and all the maneuvering. I think he may know more about the Epstein.

I think they know more about the Epstein case that they're letting even even Trump I think I don't know how How much he wants to say about this is a lot of people involved And people are trying to say that Trump was involved Trump wasn't Bobby knew the guy 30 40 years ago But they have no other evidence on him at all. He wouldn't be asking to release the documents if he had a problem He's not that stupid. I Think that here's my position on this. This government is so out of control. They have to be held accountable, Dr. Drew.

You cannot let this kind of behavior continue because I totally believe had Kamala Harris been pro, this country would have been destroyed. We would have not been able to go through another four years of what they did to us, with those four years prior. I mean, Joe Biden's got absolute blood on his hands. What this guy did, I don't think people can understand it, because they're not paying that close attention.

You don't, you can't believe it. I don't want to believe it. Oh, it's true. I was so in tune with this. And look, I have no horse in this race. I have no want to believe it. Oh, it's true. I was so in tune with this. Look, I have no horse in this race. I have no axe to grind, other than I got seven kids and seven grandkids more on the way that I want to make sure this country works for them.

Yeah. You know, this is the key thing. And this state, by the way, if they're out here. Yes. Even harder. I mean, this is a bad guy. He was a bad guy. People wanted to give him a pass because, no, you don't give him a pass.

I've been in government for 50 years. I don't feel so I have no empathy for him whatsoever. He could have been a man manned up and said, no, I was voted in by the people to do the right thing for the people. He did just the opposite. That guy. Well, I know you've got to drive back down to Newport. So I'm going to give you time to get on the road before the traffic kicks in.

I want to ask a question. Like, watching Trump, like, clean up the system, find where the money's going, find, you know, use Elon to track all the money that Biden was just sending all over the place. You know, who would have thought that Trump is sort of the angel of them all? Like he's cleaning up the system and he's doing all this, but he gets no credit for it. You know, it's like, oh, well, he's ruining everybody's lives. You know, we're just not going to that money's not getting sent

and it's just going to ruin everybody's life. And it's like, I don't see that. And I'm I'm sort of nonpartisan. I'm a political. But like you said, I just feel like this is tax fair money and nobody's ever done a check and balance. People that were 180 years old were getting social security checks. I mean, come on.

Somebody's getting that money and they're doing it illegally. And hearing you talk about all the illegal things because you know how the system works or what people do or how people are and knowing that our government is doing that. Just it, Drew and I don't want to believe it. Don't want to believe it. I believe it. I'm more of a conspiracist.

I don't believe, I don't trust anybody. Like I've, you know, just because I think that nefarious things go on all the time behind the scenes. He's just like, not like me, but I totally think that nefarious things go on all the time behind the scenes. He's just like not like me, but I totally think that being more open and talking about it and going into the JFK files and going into the things that they just sort of Swept under the rug for all these years for some reason to protect somebody is it's not right. I mean Let's let's say this the country we're at 36 trillion dollars in debt nobody at this table caused that no

taxpayer caused that we're giving them the money how do you explain getting 36 trillion dollars in debt well they don't explain it but they did it they mismanaged the money. And to believe that it went to some wonderful cause and that people didn't earn, you know, even Mitch McConnell, he's a Republican, you know, go right down the middle. The guy makes 200,000 years worth $90 million. How do you explain that? It's not going to be good.

Yeah, there's something wrong. Like the money that was sent to the Ukraine, there was an 86 billion missing. Like was that in Hunter Biden's laptop too? Like where did it go? Exactly. And you know, I want to say that I believe I'm very upset that the Democratic Party right now doesn't stand for anything. All they stand for is anti-Trump.

Because I believe we need at least a two-party system. I totally agree with you. It's like, can we come together and just, you know, can we just be friends and make this work? Like, instead of fighting him the whole way. Exactly. Stand for something. If you have an opposing idea, that's good.

But stand for something because we need that check and balance with the two party system. You don't want a single party, but they don't stand for anything. And you watched them the other night. It was just everything was opposition to Trump. They don't want to admit guilt because they're all lawyers. They just don't want to say, yeah, maybe this happened under our rule and oh, shame on us. Like they're not willing to be transparent on anything or take any accountability for anything

because then they'll look bad. Well, you know what? It's almost laughable if it wasn't so serious to sit back until I'm saying, how are these people even thinking? There's no common sense involved in their antics, in their actions. It's only anti Trump.

And look, Trump is no angel. Nobody's saying he's an angel. But at least, you know, what he's trying to do now, I believe he's draining the swamp. He said he was going to do it. He's going, you know, they're accusing them of things that make no sense, that there's no truth to it. And I always tell people, tell me what he did wrong. Just tell me and I'll, if it's right, I'll agree with you. Tell me what he did. And they can't come up with anything. The fact that whenever Trump says he's gonna do something,

like the first four years we were like, oh yeah, right. He's gonna build a wall and make somebody else pay for it. He did it. Anytime he says he's gonna do something, he does it. If he's gonna cut taxes for seniors and say it, he's gonna do his damnedest to do it. If he's gonna give wait taxes for seniors and say it, he's going to do his damnedest to do it. If he's going to give waitresses no taxes on their tips, he's going to do it. But people need to listen and say, oh, wow, this could actually happen.

Not just all the promises and the BS that we usually get from politicians. I think people are seeing through this now. I was very encouraged to see, you know, November 5th, how many people voted Republican. They didn't necessarily like Trump, I think many of them, but they just said, hey, we had enough of the other stuff. You have to do something, yeah, I think that's right. He cracks me up, I'm sorry, I just.

He's hilarious. I know, it's like, you know, just buckle up everybody and get ready for the ride. Let's do it. Emily Barsh is saying we should get a January 6th, somebody was convicted on January 6th on the show, a prisoner, she calls it. It's a good idea.

It's a great idea, a couple of them. If you need, I have the attorney for a number then, you can get him. And bring Michael back too, because it's just so crazy our whole system so well thank you for the wine thank you for the time again thank you for he literally had got off a plane came right in from Chicago and I just for wife here with us thank you for being here as well and thank all of you

for joining us we've been with Susan was watching carefully on the rants and on the restream I watch a little bit what you guys are talking about there Where your kids all in California now, they'll to have been back in New York five out here. Well congratulations On yeah so much so much Let's get the book everybody You're gonna have seven 100 year old mafia democracy or bureaucracy as we discussed, as well as get some of the wines at Franzis Wine.

Go watch the Michael Franzis show on Rumble, michaelfranzis.exe and michaelfranzis.com. You'll get it all. So Michael, thank you for being here and we will see you all. Let me double check. Tuesday, Caleb, is that correct? Tuesday, oh no, I think Kelly Victory is going to be?

Yeah, we have Kelly coming next week. We have to go see Vince from V Shred. Yes, right, right, right. And then we're flying. Some of the stuff on the calendar, things started to get rearranged. So we do actually have shows coming after March 27th and some between the 18th and the 27th, but those are getting filled in with guests. Okay. And the 14th, Winston Marshall, that's awesome.

Isn't that my friend from England? The gentleman that was from the band, the- Yeah, the- Umford and Sons. Umford and Sons. Yeah, Grammy winner. Yeah. And he got famous for- He was every rock star. I have and he got famous for, well. Every rock star.

I have no idea who he's talking about. No, he was famous for going to the Oxford club and debating Nancy Pelosi and destroying her. So that's what's coming up. We've had to move some stuff around. That's why the Kelly looks a little less complete. Dr. Alejandro Diaz is somebody you saw, Kelly and I interviewed about a year or two ago.

He is now part of the wellness company. He has got some really interesting things he's observing from around the world. So, join Kelly on Tuesday at three. Everybody loves Kelly. I believe, and then join us Friday. I'm looking at the schedule here. This will be noon Eastern.

Is that correct? Noon Eastern or noon Pacific Caleb help me with that noon Pacific yeah Fridays are usually early interesting Caleb has to I got babies you got a good fun stuff right is yeah yeah you're right yes it's noon Pacific on Friday the 14th okay okay so we're sorry for all the changes and the time schedules drew and I have a lot of travel and other stuff going on, but we're going to we're going to test out at the end of March at 2pm schedule, go do it at two o'clock every day and see if we can, you know, get a little

bit more because we're in competition with some other shows and I thought we might try that out. I think to an end at two you are interested in a case of bobble heads, we're cleaning out the warehouse and we're giving for the price of one, you now get a case of 12 because we just want to get rid of, you know, we can't wait long enough. We've got to clean out the warehouse.

So they're so cute. We should probably open a box. And they're high quality, Dr. Drew Bobbleheads, Drew will sign it for you. So it's worth a little more. All right. And then we're also going to give you all the farmer's dog that my, I'm not, this dog's not going to live long enough.

You're saving me a lot of money thank you I'm trying to give back here I hope it doesn't melt on the way home get home fast put in the freezer that's great all right we'll wrap it up right here let these guys drive on down to Newport thank you all for being here we'll see you with dr. Kelly victory Tuesday at 3 o'clock Pacific time ask dr. Drew is produced by Caleb nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis or treatment.

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