Ask Dr. Drew - Ex Pfizer VP: mRNA Turns Body Into A “Spike Protein Factory” with Dr. Michael Yeadon & Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 243

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

Dr. Michael Yeadon was a vice president at Pfizer, but now he has a dire warning about their mRNA vaccines: “the clinical trials were fraudulent… the very design of them could not have been more dangerous… your bodies are turned into a spike protein factory.” After deviating from the CDC-preferred narrative about COVID-19, Dr. Yeadon was promptly vilified by his peers and harassed until he left social media. He shares his insider account LIVE with Dr. Drew and Dr. Kelly Victory. Dr. Michael Yeadon was a vice president at Pfizer, chief scientist, and allergy and respiratory researcher for 16 years. He was the cofounder of biotech company Ziarco which sold to Novartis in 2017 for over $325 million. He received a PhD from the University Of Surrey. 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew • BIRCH GOLD - Don’t let your savings lose value. You can own physical gold and silver in a tax-sheltered retirement account, and Birch Gold will help you do it. Claim your free, no obligation info kit from Birch Gold at https://birchgold.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org and https://twitter.com/DrKellyVictory. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And welcome everybody. Today, very interesting guest, Dr. Michael Yadin. He's coming to us from the UK today. Dr. Kelly Victory very kindly recommended him to us. He's a former Pfizer VP. He had grave concerns about lockdowns and the testing under which mRNA vaccines were brought to market. He ultimately set up his own biotech company, which he sold to Novartis, I believe. He was a chief scientist at Pfizer and primarily an allergy and respiratory researcher for 16 years. And the biotech company was Zyarko. In any event, he's got concerns. He's got ideas. He has been vilified for daring to share them.

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He also has had some grave concerns about the whole notion of lockdown, something that we have addressed many, many times on this program. Please welcome Dr. Michael Yadin. Great to be with you on your show, and fantastic to be able to reach your audience, some of which will be new for me, I hope. Excellent. So why don't we just get right to it. We'll have Dr. Kelly Victory in here in just a minute. But what were your concerns about the mRNA vaccine? And when you raised them, what happened to you? RNA, and all gene-based so-called vaccines are completely different from any other jab you might have had. And they're right in my wheelhouse, because I spent over 30 years collaborating

with medicinal chemists to do what's called rational drug design. If you want a drug to do something, you don't just grab a handful of atoms from the bench. You think about the structures, where you want the drug to go, what it should do for how long, and so on. So I think I can look at the structure of a molecule and have a good idea of the intent of the designer. And when I looked at the mRNA vaccine, I looked at the Pfizer one, the Moderna one, I was horrified because the mRNA is injected into your body. It's a code. It's a piece of genetic code to tell your body to make something, some instructions

to manufacture something. Well, when you do that, you don't give a single dose. You're giving, as it were, a course of treatment. And it could be some people will make lots of whatever that instruction is. And some people do that for a long time, and other people make very little for a short time. So you've got a massive variation in the the impact of this stuff on people. Aidan McCullen- If I could stop you there, what why? Why

is that the case? I presumably we're all hitting the same protein manufacturing machinery, the ribosomes and the, you know, setting up the, you know, the transcription of the protein. Why is it so variable person to person? And why did you anticipate that? And why wasn't that more anticipated by the drug companies? Well, I'll come back to the anticipated parts, because my contention is that there are multiple deliberate toxicities built into these materials, and I can justify that. But yes, certainly what we've done here is add an extra few steps. So the drug has got to distribute like other drugs drugs but then it's got to be actively taken

up your body doesn't want foreign dna in its cells and we'll fight that so it's got to be actively taken up and some people will take up a lot or a little and sometimes they will copy that efficiently or less efficiently and so those two things will produce just a greater range of outcomes but that's that's not my biggest concern. That was the first one I thought of. The next one is, it took me a while to get here. I ask your audience to think, how is it that their body plays nice with itself,

doesn't attack itself unless you're unfortunate and have an autoimmune disease, but normally your immune system, they're like military personnel. They stay in their barracks. They don't harm you. But when you're infected or you get a cancer, maybe they go to war.

And you know the distinction, how it is that your body does that trick. It distinguishes self, all the things inside your body that are meant to be there. It doesn't attack anything foreign, anything non-self it will attack so when you take mrna and get human body to make a piece of a foreign organism

ladies and gentlemen that's not my dog when your body is instructed to make a piece of foreign non-human protein, every cell that expresses that is now blaring a signal, I've been invaded. Your immune system goes to war and tries to kill it. Every single cell that this material goes into. These could never, ever be safe for a mass market use. I can only think of two legitimate uses. And we did discuss the one one I was at Pfizer. One is to replace a human protein that you should have but is missing or defective. That happens. And the other one would be if you've got a cancer and you do want to target those cells

and kill them using immunopharmacology. But if you just give it to mass populations, they will attack their own cells and kill them. That is the reason why you see dozens of different side effects, because it's one mechanism of toxicity, but expressed anywhere in the body, wherever it happens to land. There are many more concerns, but that's my first top one. And you said this was intentional? Oh, yes. So, like I said, I spent over three decades working with medicinal chemists on the design of molecules.

The procedure is called rational drug design. Nothing in the molecule is there accidentally. What else can I tell you? So I've told you about the non-self part when you make a foreign protein your body will attack it there's no doubt that's immunology 101 the next one is they all four companies moderna astrazeneca johnson johnson and pfizer all chose the same parts of this so-called covid 19 virus it all shows the same part they all chose the same parts of this so-called COVID-19 virus. They all chose the same parts. They all chose the bit that sticks out the outside called spike protein. So a couple of things here.

If I was leading a drug discovery team, and I did dozens of times, the chances that my peers in the other company will come up with the same solution is remote to tell the truth. And you would never pick this. Why would you not pick this? We knew from previous work that the spike proteins that stick out from the outside of these microorganisms are biologically active. They can trigger blood coagulation and they aren't neurally toxic. They should have picked, if you believe the story about viruses, and I have significant concerns,, if you believe the story about viruses, and I have significant concerns, but if we just go with the narrative, you would definitely, definitely not pick the part of the virus

that is biologically active. And the fact that all four drug companies did it, it's a black swan event. That's deliberate. I've got one other thing to tell you that's so awful you have to hear it. Should I do that? Well, I'm just thinking that I have never really thought about the intracytoplasmic mechanism of how the RNA turns into protein. I've never thought about how that protein gets out of the cell, the spike protein, that is. And I'm wondering if by

design, the spike protein is supposed to be released as a result of destruction of the cell. How is that protein exocytosed from a cell by design? That's not built into the protein. What is that mechanism? Well, some proteins are secreted. I don't know whether this one is, but if it was a secretory protein, then yes, it would be exported. If not, I suppose it would build up in a cell until it was killed. That's supposedly the model of viral infection. So here's the, I think, a real, this is something that's so shocking. You may remember that the J&J and AstraZeneca, they were DNA vaccines, and they had a so-called attenuated virus.

I think it was an adenovirus. But the mRNA products from Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech, they were encapsulated in a formulation. It's normal to formulate drugs to give them structure and to allow them to travel around the body in slow release and so on. What did they pick? Lipid nanoparticles, LNP. I found a paper dated 2013, I think it was, century 12 or 2013, in which it was discussed in a peer-reviewed journal article paper that lipid nanoparticles, the macro carriers for these molecules, are known to have a characteristic that's rather upsetting. That characteristic is they accumulate in the ovaries

of every species tested. And in the case of the Pfizer product, the Japanese regulators required Pfizer to perform a distribution study in rats, which they did. And we've seen a copy of that report under the Freedom of Information Act. And lo and behold, it accumulates in the ovaries of rats.

This formulation was chosen, in my view, in the ovaries of rats. This formulation was chosen, in my view, in the full knowledge that it would accumulate in the ovaries of girls and women. That, I'm afraid, ladies and gentlemen, is what's happened to every single female administered this material. I know Naomi Wolf has been making that case, and I've heard these arguments.

What do you say to people that say, well, this was rushed to market because it was an emergency, extraordinary times, extraordinary risks. These issues have been raised, and yet the long-term effects don't appear at this moment. Obviously, yesterday we heard some data that was rather disturbing, but for most people don't appear at this moment. Obviously, yesterday, we heard some data that was rather disturbing. But for most people, don't appear to be significantly, and by most, I'd say the vast majority, don't seem to have real significant effect. What do you say to somebody who argues that? I do think that the majority of people have not so far been harmed by these products. And it is my sincere hope that they won't be. I do not have a copy of the script. I think this is a crime.

I think it's a major global crime. And it is my sincere hope that the harm that's been experienced, that's it. But it could be worse. So I don't think a large proportion of people who've been injected have died or been seriously injured. But I've given you, as an experienced drug design discovery person, multiple lines of evidence that I can assure you would never have left the meeting room if I had been running that room. And all four drug companies, so Spike, lipid nanoparticles, foreign proteins, and also a novel technology

that's never been used before. And so the thing I am mystified, what I'm mystified about is I can easily, personally, I can go, okay, extraordinary time, extraordinary risk, we're going to go at it. Why are we not going back and now doing the careful research that we would otherwise have done were it not an emergency? And this is every country on earth, every regulator on earth. Why isn't somebody asking for that? Isn't that weird? There are lots of people asking for it i can assure you but the uh the regulators in my country the mhra european medicines agency fda they it's almost as if they've gone it's up under the desk

and turn the lights off there's no sensible interaction with the with these people but so the reason i was shaking my head about the extraordinary emergency extraordinary times so i've got a strong statement to make, and I'll leave it to your audience to decide. It is my contention that every single major narrative point that we were told about the virus and countermeasures was untrue and knowingly untrue. So I'm sure that's not what the CDC says,

but I'm not doing this for entertainment nobody pays me i've lost all of my consulting clients and i've accepted no donations either money or in kind so i'm doing this because i sincerely believe what i'm telling you we were told there was a major health threat and yet the record shows and you can look at the work of um um i can't remember his name now blanks on his name um anyway it's a canadian epidemiologist called dennis rancourt r-a-n-c-o-u-r-t dennis rancourt we talked to him okay so i know it's controversial but the fact is that there were no increase in deaths until the who declared a pandemic,

whereupon almost everywhere they adopted what I would regard as really strange precautions. So, for example, lockdown. I have read the pandemic preparedness plans of at least 20 nations as of 2019. Not a single one of them, Dr. Drew, mentions lockdowns. Right. I'm aware of this this was this was invented in china it was transported by a politician to italy and then the whole world followed suit because of this one politician who wanted to show this is well documented in his own book that Chinese policies were an important adjunct to political management in Italy, that he wanted to prove a point about his sinophilia, essentially. Not that he wanted to stop a pandemic, not that he was doing something medical.

But my question is, what happened to us? Why do you think that all happened? Exactly. So I remember at the time, it was March 2020, and I was watching with increasing horror. Basically, they were not telling the truth on the TV. And I won't name names because it might get us into trouble. But some of the public health advisors in the UK, I've been around so long, some of them are my peers.

It's shocking. The chief scientific advisor is someone i worked with 30 years ago and there is this no well exactly that what's happened to you um he was lying he was telling things that i knew were true was he hysterical was he psychotic was he frightened by something what what was happening i mean I don't know because I wasn't there, but I think people were given, they were told, given lines to take. This is your script.

So we knew, for example, that people who are symptomatic with a contagious disease are much more likely to be able to give it to someone else than people who have no symptoms. You know that as a physician, that the probability of infecting someone when you have no symptoms at all is really very low. And that's because you have smaller amounts of the organism. If you had more, you'd have symptoms. You can't have big burdens of horrible pathogens and no symptoms.

So I knew this lie about asymptomatic transmission was a got-up thing. And this is vital. Lockdown only makes sense if asymptomatic transmission drives the pandemic. And it doesn't. It's been tested. We knew it didn't logically beforehand, and that's why it had never been used before. It made no sense. Also, it's economically appallingly destructive. But by the summer, there were at least a dozen papers showing that asymptomatic transmission, they couldn't detect it. Now, if you're ill, you withdraw from society and sit on your sofa or go to bed or even hospital. You're not walking around the station and the drugstore. why lockdown all lockdown did ladies

and gentlemen is removed healthy people from society it could never have reduced transmission and it didn't so you can see that this unarguable why did all the countries did it even if china led and the italian politician pontificated what made the Germans, the French, the Dutch, the Brits, the Americans all do the same? And I believe- I believe- Canadians. I believe-

Yeah, absolutely. New Zealand. I believe this. That is the strongest evidence of supranational organization. Something above the level of the nation was driving these plans. And I don't know whether it's the WHO, the UN, World Economic Forum, Uncle Tom Copley and all. I don't know. Something above the level of nation. And that's why they all did the same thing. They'd been told to. Well, certainly World Health Organization is going forward with a plan to be a supranational authority in a setting like this explicitly.

But I do remember the World Health Organization being one of the earliest, at least representative so-called, supposedly, of the World Health Organization, saying that lockdowns did nothing but damage at-risk individuals, economically distressed individuals. They said it out loud several times, and yet policies did not change. It was a very bizarre time. Okay, Dr. Michael Yadin, we are going to bring Dr. Kelly Victory in here right now. Is there anywhere you'd like to refer people, Dr. Yadin, if they want to find more information from you? I'm not allowed to have anywhere. Seriously.

The only place you can find me is Telegram, a place called Telegram, and I have a joint channel with an Italian architect and a close friend called Robin Monotti, M-O-N-O-T-T-I, and then plus my name. And I post incessantly. Anywhere else, I am banned, you know, really badly. All right.

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population. This is uncharted territory, Drew. Welcome, Dr. Kelly Victory. We've heard some challenging propositions here. Dr. Victory. Hey, Dr. Yadin, I am absolutely delighted to have you join us today. I know you're not doing a lot of interviews anymore. And I really appreciate you taking the time to do this one and to share with our audience your thoughts on this and particularly given the time change. Thank you again for doing it. You are one of the first people who I was following actively at the beginning of this debacle. And I would say there's very little difference, frankly, between what you have been saying, what I've been

saying from the very beginning. I've been very vocal about the fact that this is not mistakes my government made. This was lies my government told me. And I firmly believe that. And for what it's worth for our audience, we are bringing Tom Renz back in August on the 17th. Tom Renz is actually going to be exposing, I believe, the goods, the irrefutable evidence that not only did they lie, but they lied well in advance. This was planned out and everything from masking to lockdowns to social distancing and then the vaccines, they were fully aware of the dangers that those things posed. So people should put that on their calendars. I want to start, I want to go back to what you were saying at the very beginning with Drew, some conversation you were having with

regard to the vaccines. I raised huge concerns about these vaccines from way before they were launched as well for a little bit different reason than you did. Interestingly, as somebody who has an extensive history like you do experience in drug development, one of the things I thought was perplexing if you really wanted to make an effective vaccine was why would you target the spike protein even if you didn't know that the spike protein was toxic, which I didn't know that initially, even if you didn't know that the spike protein was toxic, which I didn't know that initially, even if you didn't know that that was the thing that was thrombogenic, for example, that is the area that we absolutely know is the area most likely to mutate. All viruses mutate. Coronaviruses are particularly adept at it. They do it more

quickly than others. And the area that is most likely to mutate would be that spike protein. So the idea of creating a vaccine predicated on a singular spike protein that's likely to change in about, oh, I don't know, 15 minutes and therefore not be susceptible, if you will, to the antibodies you produced, why would they do that? I agree with you. There's at least three reasons why you wouldn't pick the spike protein. One, we've touched on its biological activity. It's not a nice thing. You do not want it in your body. The second, as you say, it is definitely reported as the site of the greatest rate of change. And so why would you do that? And the third one is very important.

It's not as different from you and me as you could choose. What you would want with an ideal vaccine is something that's very characteristic of the organism and very very different from you and i'm afraid one of the things i spotted uh early uh was a weak but important homology between spike protein and a protein vital in pregnancy called syncytin-1 and i just remember thinking why would hell would you risk putting a protein? So here, folks, ladies and gentlemen, the concern I had would be if they did mount an effective immune response to this foreign protein that was a little bit similar to you, some of your immune response might spill over and attack that thing that's slightly similar in you. And the prediction

would be, if that happened, it would impact fertility and childbirth. And all around the world, what is happening? A fall of 10 to 15% in the rate of live births everywhere you look. Yes. And I reported on this same thing. And I think there's undoubtedly because of that overlap between that normal human protein that is required for the implantation and the development of the placenta, critically important. So you've listed three things. Number one, that they spike protein by itself is toxic. Number two, it is the area most likely to mutate as the virus goes through its normal mutation process. And number three, it is not different enough from that which is self to keep your body from being attacked by antibodies that are produced to it. And number four, and it's fundamental. I didn't think about it initially, but I mentioned it earlier today.

It's not you. It's non-self. If your body manufactures something that doesn't belong there, your body will think that's what happens in cancer. You often produce an aberrant protein and it leaves a marker on the cell surface and your immune system says, hey, that doesn't belong here, and kills it. That's called immune surveillance. Your body detects you every day it takes itself. Again, I'm spending so much time trying to make sense of things. And if you accept my premise that things were rushed and people did believe it was an emergency,

again, that's a hypothesis. I'm not saying it's factually the case. And I know you have challenge to that, but let's just posit that. If you're really rushing things out in an emergency, wouldn't it already be likely that when you pull something off the shelf that you already had well along the road of research, they must have already been looking at spike proteins. They've already been sort of postulating that they could use something like this. So when it came time to pull the trigger, they went all the way with it and tested it.

I think you're a thoroughly good man, Drew. It's a creative solution. Yeah, the answer is no to that because here's the problem with that. Four companies would part their way down the road with the same product. It's not feasible, is it? They made an executive decision. I don't know when they made it. They definitely made it, but they all alighted on the same piece of this virus or alleged virus. As I say, I have a problem with viruses that only developed in the last few months.

So I am going along with the narrative for the purpose of the conversation. And it is odd that they didn't go for the nuclear capsid protein. But it's just odd to me. A nuclear capsid would have been a reasonable target, seems to me. But yeah. It's just odd to me. A nuclear capsule would have been a reasonable target, seems to me. I think if you also look at the timing of the development and the submission of the patents on these vaccines, it leads you to the conclusion that this was not something that they all of a sudden in the heat of the moment, in the fear of the pandemic, the fog of war, that they that they all sudden decided to whomp this up this was calculated and well well in development in advance of the announcement well that's my point though that's that's that's my point that they they had this sort of under way for whether they were ever going to use it or not now i think what's up to victory is and and I'm saying the same, that I don't believe all the pieces all fell together in March 2020 with literally 180 countries pretty much during lockdown.

They had rehearsed this. Did you know, if you don't, it's worth looking it up, that there have been tabletop simulations of global pandemics stretching back to 1997. The first one was held at Andrews Air Force Base, Washington. And there have been about another 15 or 20 of them. The most recent was the Bill Gates-sponsored event 201 that took place in October 2019. And guess what, folks? The scenario was from deepest China emerges a novel coronavirus

that spreads around the world. From Wuhan. From Wuhan. I mean, that's so, I mean, honestly, I always like to believe the best of people. And I remember the first time I heard this, I thought, you've got to be kidding me. This means you were rehearsing the very thing

that you allege happened three months later and i'm expected to buy the coincidence yes i think but i think the reasonable person drew will conclude that this has been years in the planning i'm sorry well but let me let me let me let me twist that a little bit on its ear and say we we are aware of this pandemic ink that had been created over the preceding 15 or 20 years and there was a there was a many many thousands of scientific hammers waiting to hammer upon a nail uh in this case was the spike protein but pandemic ink was well established. Could that be your theoretical supranational organization that had its way with the elected representatives? Maybe it was that Pandemic Inc. group who were so ready to pull the trigger on everything. By the way, they had not contemplated lockdown until their Chinese counterparts.

From that very war game, they were the ones that proposed the lockdown but couldn't that be the super national organization you've been looking for well again you're a very nice guy you that's a very creative solution by the way that they rehearsed they rehearsed 25 years of rehearsal and it actually i mean i've thought about this a lot and i haven't previously i i think i don't think that pandemics of severe respiratory illness are even possible and i'll explain why and that's if you have let's maybe go to the idea of a common cold a common cold for most people is so mild that if you have to, you'll stay on your feet through the illness. And so if we go along with the narrative,

you could be infecting people all the way through your illness. And so it would spread around the world easily. But if we go to the other end, like a really, really serious flu, like they told us this was, it will disable people within the first day or so. And they will be forced to withdraw from circulation. It will automatically self-terminate. I have to say, if God and nature had not designed us in this way, we would have wiped ourselves out a hundred times already. Do you know who made that case? I interviewed a smallpox expert. Yeah. No, you may have, but also a smallpox expert named Larry Brilliant is his name.

And he, early in the pandemic, he said, no, you don't lock down because when smallpox breaks out, people either keep to themselves. They hide away from the infected people and the affected people keep to themselves. It happens naturally, as you're saying. Which is also, by the way, why viruses mutate the way they do. As viruses mutate, they don't become more and more lethal. They become more contagious and less lethal because otherwise they would eliminate themselves quite quickly. It's a survival mechanism on the part of viruses. I want to get something in here, though, because Drew defaults a lot, and you're not the only one. I agree that this idea of it was the fog of war. They were in a panic, and we, quote, didn't know.

It was so new. It was novel. We didn't know. And I push back on that with regard to these vaccines. The vaccines, let's recall, were not launched until we were one full year into the pandemic. They were launched the end of December of 2020 and became generally available to the public in January of 21. So we are talking about, we had a year of data proving we knew full well that children were at such a de minimis risk from this virus as to be indistinguishable from zero. We know that young, healthy people without comorbidities like who we knew were at zero risk defies,

in my mind, this argument that this was fog of war. Dr. Yadin, do you agree with that? Absolutely. Having spent my entire life in biopharmaceuticals, big pharma, and then my own biotech, you would never do the things that we did. And I remember shouting from the sidelines when they got down to school-aged children. I was ready to campaign outside schools and explain to people, your children are not at risk. Please don't expose them. It doesn't matter if this is safe. You don't know the long-term effects, but the thing that upset me, and I was famous for this,

you know this. Everybody knows the word thalidomide. Sixty years ago, the U.S. made a wise decision not to launch that drug. But in Europe and New Zealand, Australia and Canada, I think, lots of people were harmed by thalidomide. It produced birth defects. Ever since that moment in the late to early 60s, we never, ever risk experimental medical procedures on pregnant women. We don't even advise them to eat cheese or drink a drink or have a single cigarette. And you think it's OK to stab them with a gene based vaccine that's only a few months old. Give me a break. And I'll tell you what else.

They have no reproductive toxicology. This is my field between experiments and human. One of the things you must do is what's called reproductive toxicology. You study rats and rabbits in various phases of pregnancy. You count the number of pups. You look at their health. They have not done these studies. They still have not done these studies.

And never since later on. So there you go. I knew that was criminally dangerous. Well, that's a perfect segue because I want to go back to talking about those lipid nanoparticles that we've known since way before 2000. The paper's going back into the 1990s that talk about the toxicity of lipid nanoparticles themselves. Drew and I did an entire show on this and where those accumulate. And we knew that they accumulated based on the biodistribution study, as you referenced from Japan, that the 11% of it consolidated in the reproductive organs, specifically the ovaries. It's my understanding as well that at least two of the lipid nanoparticles that were used in these vaccines

are not appropriate or are not even approved for use in humans or in animals. Do you have any, can you give us any insight into that component of it? Not more than you've given. I know there are a couple of companies manufacturing them. It is normal, I will say, it is normal to formulate drugs. Often a drug is so potent that the amount that you would take is so small you can hardly see it. And so you dilute it in what are called excipients and binders and formulation agents and coating agents. So I'm not saying formulation is in any way strange, but to choose these particular novel lipid nanoparticles, so they're of a class of molecules that unfortunately do have this property

of dumping the macromolecules in the gonads, certainly ovaries. And we knew that. It was a well-known thing. So it's not a mistake. They chose that knowing what it would do. You decide, ladies and gentlemen, what you think that means. There are three things that I have summarized, you know, to lay people that I say were the three, in my mind, the three biggest lies with regard to the vaccines. And that's a long list from which to choose. Number one lie was that we were told that the vaccine, the mRNA would stay in the deltoid

muscle where it was injected, when they knew clearly from the biodistribution studies that that was a lie, and it goes to essentially every major organ system within a matter of hours. Number two, we were told that the mRNA would be eliminated, quote, very quickly from the body. The CDC's own website still says within a matter of days when we know that it lasts in excess of 90 days. And that's only because that's as long as they run the study. And so we don't know for how long when we'll continue to produce these things. These lipid, these have spike proteins as a result of the mRNA. And number three, we were told no way, no how could this be incorporated into the DNA. In other words, reverse transcribed. What's your understanding of the reverse transcription, that third component, the idea that this mRNA would in perpetuity or become incorporated within the DNA of the cells? Yeah, it is certainly possible. There's nothing about the design of these that would make it impossible. And it has been demonstrated, I believe, in human cells in test tubes.

So we're at a point where you would say that I would think a cautious person would assume that it's possible rather than the opposite. And one thing I wanted to mention on the theme of how long these materials would persist in your body. I don't know whether ladies and gentlemen in the audience are aware that this messenger RNA, you know, they make it sound all natural. But actually, part of the mRNA is synthetic and non-natural. One of the four components that make it up has been chemically modified, so it's not normal. And you know why they chemically modified it? It's to make it last longer. And so, you know, again, what do you make of that ladies and gentlemen they chemically modified one of the bases specifically to make it last longer and what are we seeing now persistent

expression of the message over months and it could be permanent some people could constantly make low levels of this material forever and i I believe their immune system will kill that tissue wherever it's being produced. It'll have to happen. Yeah, I think it was my understanding that they did that. They did the synthetic mRNA because otherwise, remember at the very beginning, we were told these were going to be difficult because they had to be stored at sub, sub, sub zero, super cold temperatures that made it impossible to then be distributing it in the parking lot at the Walmart, or giving these vaccine clinics that were popping up on every

street corner. So that was my understanding. They made the synthetic mRNA specifically so it would last longer. It would not break down very quickly. And it was quite purposeful is how I understood it. I've got another thing that's not entirely in my field, but it's one that's directly adjacent to it. So there's a gentleman who spent longer in manufacturing R&D in the pharmaceutical industry than I have in research. His name is Hedley Rees. He's a Welsh guy, R-E-E-S, Hedley Rees, and he's in Substack. And he points out to me, Mike, you should know that pharmaceuticals are like cars and aeroplanes. They're manufactured from various starting materials,

and they go through intermediate forms, and then you finally assemble it on the line. And every single one of those steps is a chemical or biochemical reaction. and they go through intermediate forms and then you finally assemble it on the line and every single one of those steps is a chemical or biochemical reaction you have to have target concentrations purities impurities and so on he said the r&d process to manufacture complex biologicals minimally takes four years four years yeah if you take less if you take less he says i don't know what the hell is in these glass bottles, but it's not what they're telling you. It's not possible to manufacture consistently a complex molecule in that tea. That's an appropriate fact. been sort of messing around with, Dr. Victor and I, for a while, which is that just to throw a few things out there is the issue of plasmids and what they're doing with the

RNA particles and the protein particles, as well as Sasha Latapova's concern about the different lot sizes and purity. And now we have a study out of Denmark showing that 4% of the vaccine lost lots were responsible for 60% of the adverse events. So that was something that came out just a couple of weeks ago in a verified journal and they had trouble publishing it. I was at the scene of the accident. The person who did the work originally as a British guy called Craig Pardecouper. Craig Pardecouper. And Sasha Latipova and Mike Eden saw this, and we made a beeline for him. And that's how Sasha, Mike, and Craig met.

So I didn't make any contribution to the analysis except to say it cannot be tolerable that we have this degree of batch to batch variation i remember saying to people that one thing pharmaceutical companies do extraordinarily well if they run their whole process is they make consistent products so if you get the same tablet in singapore or sarasota it'll be the same material but not if you've done it in a few months not if it takes four years to do the r&d on manufacturing so that i think is i think that's the most likely cause of batch to batch variation but it's not an excuse it might be an explanation but it means they knew the variation occurred

they have access manufacturers have access to the same uh va era status that you and i have that means by march 2021 they knew it was all over the place. They knew it. What did they do? Nothing. One of the arguments I've made, Dr. Yadin, from the beginning of all this, again, to lay people, you know, right now I'm talking to scientists with, you know, the three of us being scientists who have varied experience in this. But when I'm talking to lay people, I said from the beginning, does it occur to you that there are a heck of a lot of viruses out there for which scientists have never been able to create a safe and effective vaccine? Viruses like, oh, I don't know, herpes, Coxsackie virus,

norovirus, a lot of viruses out there That have been around That we have really tried to crack the code on And haven't been able to vaccinate against What makes you think That they could hack up this hairball In a matter of months For something You know and say

Oh here's something And it's not only We're going to use it on everybody And it's totally safe and effective Roll up your sleeve I mean it was just preposterous um the other thing like nobody had been to the south pole until someone did it right would you have been really shocked or would you think it was normal if after 100 years of trying to get to the south pole or climb at the top of Everest is

four guys arrived on the same afternoon, right? So four drug companies succeeded in making, within a few weeks of each other, four drug companies, notionally independent, all tapped up with their safe and effective shot. I mean, I just think it was, the whole thing was penis to me. I agree. I do, I want to go back to something else just before I forget. We were talking about the pregnancy issue, which was huge for me. I agree. I want to go back to something else just before I forget. We were talking about the pregnancy issue, which was huge for me. The idea that we have never in the history of medicine

given a drug or a therapeutic to a group of people on whom it has not been tested. Never. We don't do that. That's a sacrosanct construct in medicine. And if it hasn't been tested on that group, we just, that's a red line. Okay. The few, few studies that were done on animals, it is my understanding that the mouse studies that were done, that almost 100% of the mice, the fetuses that were aborted from vaccinated mice, had skeletal anomalies. They had rib abnormalities. Is that, that is, so they had skeletal, go ahead. No, you're exactly right.

So two things. One, you would not administer to pregnant women. You would need reproductive toxicology complete. And not only that, you would need to to pregnant women uh you would need reproductive toxicology complete and not only that you would need to have a clean profile you you so it's not just a matter of mechanically doing it no look here's some skeletal malformations let's dose pregnant women so if you observed in test animals some points of concern you would give it a i can't remember what the letter is but you would say pregnancy category X. And on certain letters, you never ever administer it to pregnant women. And even women of childbearing potential, you say, if I give this to you, I'm going to ask you

to use highly effective means of contraception because of this risk. And that's the category this would have belonged in. Yeah, I can tell you, I went to Duke University for undergrad, a huge medical center there. And it was always very irritating to me that the guys could constantly, they could sign up and make extra cash on the side to be a subject in lots and lots of different drug and therapy experiments. And I, because I was a female, just because I was of childbearing age and potential was not able to sign up for any of them. So they'd get, you know, thousand dollars for participating in this drug study or 500 bucks for doing this, you know, therapy, um, because

they were young, healthy males in those. But as the females, we were not even allowed to sign up because of the potential that we could be pregnant. I mean, that is how, what a red line that is normally and why that was breached here, I think is absolutely unconscionable. It's immoral, it's unethical, and we need to get to the bottom of it. I'm watching as the time clock winds down here. One of the things I really want to talk with you about, because you have been perhaps more than most others, egregiously censored. You have been shut down. You just said you can't even give us a social media place to find you because you've been deplatformed. Talk a little bit just about from your experience with that and what you think it portends for the

future of medicine and health care and open discourse yeah it's it's uh science i i wanted to be a scientist since i was a little boy and i've had a whole career in science and it's only after pretty much after i'd retired you know i was doing a little light consulting then i realized that lots of things are not what I had understood them to be. I feel almost embarrassed that I didn't know these things, that degree of corruption, not just in pharmaceuticals, but in regulatory, and even in peer-reviewed journal articles, that basically, you can only get published if what you're saying is in line broadly with going with the grain of a particular journal's ethos. And as soon as you're in this position, as all of us are here, you have a position that's critical of the dominant narrative.

On my word, the door is closed on your fingers so fast you don't even get a chance to have a discussion and if that continues ladies and gentlemen my my field and i'm only i only use part of it uh my field investigative biological science is dead on its feet if you can't have people coming up with um challenging hypotheses because look if i wrong, I do not mind being proved wrong in public. I'll apologize. But I'm not wrong. I called out the toxicities of these products before any of them had emergency use authorizations. Myself and a German doctor called Wolfgang Bodarg, we put it in writing about three weeks before the first one had authorization. That was a big call, I can promise you. I didn't sleep the night before we did that.

But I did it because I looked and checked my homework, and I was so sure this was wrong that I was willing to throw my career down the pan, and I did. I was fired within weeks from every other consulting gig I had, which is a little odd, don't you think? But if I may, I believe what's happened is that there were 25 years of planning tabletop simulations of pandemics so that eventually this thing whatever it actually was when that occurred the world nice and neatly followed the plan that it rehearsed for 25 years. That's definitely occurred.

It's a military, civilian, international group have been doing this for ages. And I don't think it's legitimate. I don't think pandemics are even, I don't think they are the threat that they say they are, which is why we haven't had very many. And some of the ones we've had have been a little suspect, shall we say. So on the one hand, you've got that. Why in the world would you do that? I'm afraid you need to give me two minutes to say why I think this is happening.

Yeah, please. Well, this is scary. I think this episode starting in 2020 is never going to end unless enough of us wake up and say, to hell with it. You know, we're not going to comply unless enough of us wake up and say, to hell with it. We're not going to comply with this nonsense anymore. And I think what's happening here is if we continue, we're going to end up all of us carrying digital ID. Now, you might think digital ID is no big deal, don't we have digital passports? But no, there's something coming, and it's definitely coming, that's different. So first, your passport, there's 190 coming, and it's definitely coming, that's different.

So first, your passport, there's 190 different formats in the world. There isn't one format. What is coming now globally is a single format digital ID. Second, it will be what's called interoperable. When your ID pings the system, not only can it make a decision as to whether to allow you to enter a door or buy a product, but it can make a mark on that digital ID and edit it. That's not true of any ID at the moment. That's called interoperability, global format. And here's the worst part.

It contains all of you, your health data, your unique ID data, your financial data, your driving history, where you live, what you've bought. Basically, it's a QR code that takes you to a website called might evens likely. And that is what is coming down the pipe for us. If you don't believe me, then I'm just going to paint a picture as to why it's the last important decision free humans are ever going to make. And I'm going to refuse it, even though it may exclude me from banking, for example. I don't need digital ID. You don't need digital ID. Evidence for that? My last 63 years of my life. They need you to have it. The people who have run this pandemic. What else? What are they going to do with this?

The other two things that are coming down the pike are the gradual erosion of cash. All of you who are listening to me will be able to see that cash is getting harder to obtain and harder to use. And lots of supermarkets are getting rid of humans, so it's only a machine. And I promise you, as is happening in France and the UK where I live, they're abolishing the checkout assistant. You'll only be able to pay with a bank card or an app, no cash. And finally, you can check this out. All central banks are toying with what's called central bank digital currencies. You will bond with the central bank in your country. So now let me give you a scenario. You walk up to the shop store and you're required to beep your digital ID. So because we're moving into what has been described as the zero trust

world, these are not my words, these are their words, zero trust world. So you need to prove who you are at every moment. You wave your ID. If they've decided, because I've said banned things on social media, they're not going to admit me to food stores the door will not open so this is how bad it is let's say they let me in the store and i had a steak yesterday and i go to the butcher's counter and i pick up some meat and i go to the automated check app the computer in the sky checks and says you've already had eight ounces of steak nothing for you and when i try and pay for it the money won't pay for it or if they say here's something or frighten you because this

has happened in britain uh lockdown climate lockdowns are being mooted it's absurd but they are if they say to you you may not move more than five miles from your registered address and you are six miles from home and go into a store and you attempt to buy a bottle of water or a sandwich your central bank digital currency and digital id will prevent that transaction occurring that's what is coming for us so when they say oh you need a digital id so you can prove who you are tell them to you know insert it somewhere else you do not need digital ids they need you to have because that's the control mechanism there are only two parts to it digital id interoperable one format in the globe and cashless cbdc that's it and then

finally i believe this is what's going to happen i wish it it didn't. And I pray to God I'm wrong. I think that the third dimension of this is depopulation. Why? Because there's been lots of things that have happened in the last three and a half years that have actively increased the amount of injuries and deaths. I know it's upsetting for people to hear that, but I am very sure of this, and I'm not the only person saying it. And I pointed out to you as an experienced pharmaceutical researcher that the design of these mRNA-based vaccines are inherently dangerous. What I can tell you is the companies and the governments have said they're so happy with the performance of these products, they are busy building factories to manufacture billions

of doses of them around every continent on the world so what i think they're going to do is you'll have your digital id if you're unwise enough to sign up for it no cash and only central bank digital currencies the who will tell you there's a pandemic remember they're looking for these powers right now. They'll say there's a pandemic. That's their job. Pharmaceutical companies will cook up the mRNA, inverted commas, vaccine appropriate. And then that's their part. And then the government will tell you, you have to have the jab to keep your digital ID valid. And I think most people will turn up and get the jab. And I think over a period of years, the people running this

can trim the population to any number they like with plausible deniability. So if I'm wrong, don't take a digital ID because then it can't happen, can it? Don't ever let them take cash away because then this can't happen, can it? So those two things, any government that tries to take cash away from you and forces you to identify yourself digitally is a criminal government. I would advise you to do what Jefferson Davis said. You have the right to amend or abolish a government that injures the purposes for which it was established to serve. I read that this morning and I'm an English guy and it resonated with me. Yeah. Well, it's sobering words. I will certainly say,

I fear that you are on the right. When we look, for example, Nigel Farage, and for those who don't know him, I think of as Mr. Brexit in the UK. It's my understanding that his bank accounts were shut down. He was essentially shut down and kicked out of his bank. And if you can't bank, if you have nowhere to keep your cash, you are really disenfranchised from society. And he clearly was being punished for his viewpoints, which go against the narrative of the government. So I don't think what you're saying is so far-fetched. I have also said from the beginning that I believe that the entire purpose of this pandemic

was to make mRNA a household word, to make people believe that it is safe and effective and well-trusted and totally well-tested and just sort of standard stuff. And they were very successful at it, by the way. Think about the number of people in this country, certainly in the United States, who wouldn't dream of eating a genetically modified tomato or giving their kid a non-organic carrot, yet they're rolling up their sleeve, oh, please, I'll have another, on something that's barely been tested. It's insanity. But if they were successful in making people believe that this is tried and true and well-tested, and they're now putting it into the food source,

mRNAs into the food sources, we know that. They're looking at non-injectable ways to get it to you, aerosolizing it, taking it orally, lots of other ways. I think they intend to move this platform forward. Is that your thought? Dr. Victory, I have explained as a biologist of almost 40 years since I started training, the things I've told you about the a of a non-self protein in your body and your immune system recognizing that as inappropriate and attacking and killing every cell that expresses that tells you ladies and gentlemen that whatever else you're being told you should not accept uh genetic based injections that will make your body manufacture something that doesn't belong there. It's inherently dangerous. All of them will be inherently dangerous. I promise you.

I want to go back to your warnings about the digital health ID, whatever we call it. There is already a pressure point people can turn to if they want to do something to reduce the risk of all that happening the world health organization is on an active campaign for an international treaty or whatever they're calling it and in addition to everything you said which is in that treaty they also want to make human life uh essentially equivalent or of equal value as any other organism on the planet and geology itself so if some geological phenomenon is being challenged your life may not at least has equal valence to a volcano or something they have all very very odd stuff in there. But really what they're going for with that is they're going to use it to mandate climate behavior and how they're going to get that sort of under control, so to speak.

But talk to your government officials about this treaty. Do not let them sign this treaty. Do not let the country, you elected your officials. These are not elected officials. They're granting themselves fiat and authority over your duly elected officials. That should never, ever happen. Definitely. No, I think you're absolutely right. I think, I've come to the conclusion that COVID is entirely a fraud supported by propaganda and a very bad clinical diagnostic called PCR, which I know quite a lot about. So I won't use up too much time on that. By the way, I've got a test for your audience. You might think this guy is a little crazy, but here's the point.

I think search, like a search engine, is a kind of generic kind of technology. Why don't you search after this program and use the word Dr. Mike Yeadon, put it in Safari, put it in Google, and just take a little glance at what comes back. Then go and look at some minus caleb did that oh yes yes i actually i actually have this prepared because it was so egregious whenever you search your name look at the top results that come up immediately every single result here portrays you as if you are an anti-vax hero and completely skips everything else legitimate that you've done all of these listings and in in fact, if someone was to click on, let's say this listed profile over in the corner over here,

where it says, you know, under your name, profiles for Twitter over here, what that links to is a fake profile that isn't even you. That's just attacking you. It's a troll profile. This to me is, this is ridiculous. What that tells you- It's never what you say.

It's always what everybody says you said. It's never what you say. This is the insanity of the present moment. And the press is the most egregious perpetrator. They're ground zero for this. Social media is trolling and whatever. But it's the press that takes what you said and twist it and then that goes viral you are so right and the point is i'm not a very important person i was like a just about early retired guy what

made me unique is that i could see what was happening was wrong and i had the courage to stand up and say no and that may be and you're willing to be wrong yourself, by the way. You said repeatedly that you could be wrong, which fine. You could be wrong. Yeah. When I was growing up, I'm the daughter of an attorney. When I was growing up, the concepts, the legal concepts of libel and slander actually meant something. Now they are meaningless. They are absolutely. one of my father

would be whirling in his grave. They were absolutely meaningless. I had myself a hit job, an absolutely slanderous, libelous, baseless hit job written about me by Quack Watch. I don't know if you're familiar with Quack Watch. It's run by a defrocked 90-year-old psychiatrist. But they can post anything, and people will continue to read. Once it's posted and in print, it becomes de facto truth. It becomes a de facto evidence that you are this thing, and they will then use that to character assassinate you or to otherwise disregard anything you have to say. I want to add something. So thank you very much, team, for checking that out. But here's the vital thing. Here's the vital thing.

If you search the same Dr. Mike Yeadon using minority search engines, I don't own any stock in them, but there's one called Yandex, Y-A-N-D-E-X, and another one called Mojek, M-O-J-E-K. And I picked them up because I asked friends, what are tiny search engines? And I figured that the perpetrators, that's why I call the people running this. I don't care who they are. I call them the perpetrators. They won't have messed with those. If you search Dr. M even in those minority ones, you'll find some of the 150 interviews I have given. And you will also find my 50 publications.

You will find a write-up by a former Pfizer board member about me in 2017, lauding my achievements with Zyarko. Former board member, John Lamartina. John Lamartina was head of R&D when I was there. And he wrote me up in Forbes magazine in 2017 because he said, what you've done is remarkable. And yeah, we worked hard and we got lucky. And it was remarkable.

But no one knows that. They think I'm a conspiracy theorist. And they think, worst of all, what upsets me more is they think I'm a lousy scientist. I was a good scientist. I did all right. And so search me on minority search engines for the real Dr. Mike Eden and also some of the interviews I've given. If you like some of what you've heard, however terrifying, and you want to know more, that's the better answer

to your questions I was going to do earlier about social media. Go and find me on minority search engines. Because, and then I would say, if you find very different hits on what is really a commodity search, I would say that's 100% proof

someone is messing with the major search engines. And why? So that you don't find out what i really think why would they do that because i'm telling the truth the military adage i've used no i've used the military adage dr yaden uh many many times you always take the most flack when you are directly over the target. They don't go after people who are missing the target, trust me. So I'm cognizant of the time and how late it is there. So we're going to let you go, but I cannot tell you how much I appreciate you being here. You have been

unbelievably courageous throughout this. Do not lose faith. There are many of us out there who support you and the brilliant work you've done for the duration of this pandemic and before. So thank you. I thought a lot about speaking out or not. And I thought, if I'm right, I'm in as much danger if I don't speak out or more danger if I don't speak out. So people who think bad things will happen to me if I speak out, ladies and gentlemen, think what will happen if you don't speak out. So people who think bad things will happen to me if I speak out,

ladies and gentlemen, think what will happen if you don't speak out. Seriously. But all we need to do to stop this is have enough of us say, to hell with you. And I don't know what percentage it is, 10%. It's not many. And so I don't think I'm at much risk. And in the end, you have to live your life, you know,

aligned to the light, telling the truth. And I'm delighted to say it was nothing to do with my scientific research, but along the way, I have been retouched by faith, and it's delightful. You know, because the work on the other side of the fence is so bad that I remember one evening I came to the conclusion it was satanic. And I think at the same moment, I realized I had allowed myself to fall out of contact with the creator, and my life's been a lot better since. Well, there is a distinct—humans seem to be worshiping believing animals, and if they

don't worship and believe something true and good, they will worship things that are false and bad. And I think we're in this weird phase right now. We need to take a good look at ourselves. And, you know, the mob, the narcissism, the delusional thinking. It's just like nothing I've ever imagined. But I guess we've been through periods of history like this before, and we shall, God willing, emerge again. Dr. Yadin, thank you for being here. We appreciate it. We'll let you go to bed now. I know it's like 10, 11 o'clock out there, so we'll let you be thank you sir and uh kelly i'm gonna see you tomorrow at uh three o'clock pacific correct we're gonna have the one and only steve kirsch he's been

yeah he's been asking for this uh forum for quite some time and finally we're gonna grant it to him he has gotten a hold of ed dowd so he's undoubtedly got ahead of of steam from VEDS data. And, you know, Ron Miner, you know, Steve is a businessman. He's an engineer. He's an MIT engineer. He invented essentially the optical mouse. But he's a brilliant mind, and he's got some good, interesting ideas, and he's going to bring it tomorrow to us, and we'll have another stirring.

He's a very passionate man. Wait, we can't hear you susan we didn't hear you he's a very passionate man passionate passionate man he he i always cautioned but biology is different than engineering you got to kind of you know be cautious but he is a very assured of himself so he's got some ideas he wants to bring us tomorrow i think he's on the other hand i do think there's something that, that there's a credibility. And I said this with Ed Dowd yesterday, there's a,

an interesting credibility. I think that comes from people who aren't necessarily physicians or scientists. When the, what you're saying is I don't really understand the, the pathophysiology of this, or I couldn't explain the microbiology of it, or I couldn't explain,

you know, that whatever the bio distribution of this, all I'm telling you is biodistribution of this. All I'm telling you is I'm seeing a pattern. I'm looking at numbers. I'm seeing things happening. I'm seeing things happening that are out. There are people who recognize patterns. And I would submit to you that Ed Dowd is a finance guy and a statistics guy, and Steve Kirsch as an engineer, that they are good at pattern recognition. And when something is an anomalous falls out of that pattern, it strikes them. And in some ways they bring a purity, if you will, to the discussion, I think that maybe you and I don't, because we keep trying

to make sense of it in terms of, you know, what are the mitochondria doing? And, you know, we get into the granularity of it where they're just saying i don't really know what's going on i'm telling you is that we never saw this before the numbers to kelly's point steve backed into this pandemic trying to be a good guy and if you know this part of the story he's got money he said what can i do to make a difference and he talked to his friends in health care and pharmaceutical they said repurpose medication. And he selected research on fluvoxamine. Fluvoxamine has anti-inflammatory properties through the sigma-1 receptor. He showed some very positive results in moderate COVID.

He was vilified for daring to talk about anything other than, I don't know what, if you remember that time. And I just sent him an article from two months ago when Annals of Internal Medicine finally broke through into Sanity, which they are now publishing SANE studies. And one of their first studies on, I'm saving this particular journal.

I swear to God, I'm going to frame it because it's when the day that things turned around. And one of the articles, they published a study about just coming up with a basic age match control cohort for vaccines going forward. Shocking. And they just suggested that. And number two, a fluvoxamine budesonide study for moderate COVID that was highly positive. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I would say Steve Kirsch, and I should have said this to Dr. Yadin, too, but there's a postage stamp-sized piece of real estate called The Right Side of History. And Steve Kirsch and Mike Yadin and hopefully we will land squarely on that very small piece of real estate when this whole thing is said and done. Because, you know, however, whatever path it took Steve or others to get here,

you know, I think he truly believes, you know, what he's saying, you know, you know, Scott Adams is another one. Scott Adams is somebody who was pro, pro, pro vaccine. And there are people on the medical side, you know, Asim Mahatra was initially very pro-vaccine. And these are people who have now come to understand over time that not only the vaccines are highly problematic, but that the pandemic and everything that we've been told about them and about this. What are you holding up there? The annals of internal medicine? This is the one. This is the actual one. It's May 23, volume 176, number five. I'm holding it with me at all times.

It does not leave my side here at the desk. So I want to be proven right that they continue to publish Sane Stuff because I could just tell the massive turn in the editorial process right then. All right, so let's you and I leave things be. We will be back again tomorrow at 3 o'clock Pacific time. All right. We'll see you then. Thanks. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your personal doctor and I am not practicing medicine here.

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