Ask Dr. Drew - Ex WHO Consultant Says World Health Organization Leadership is “Compromised” & Seizing Power Through New Pandemic Treaty w/ Dr. Tess Lawrie – Ask Dr. Drew - Ep 329

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

“Negotiations are taking place to significantly expand the control of the World Health Organization,” warns Dr. Tess Lawrie, who consulted for the World Health Organization for nearly 10 years. She says WHO leadership is “compromised” and seizing power with a proposed treaty that would “create a new, cost-intensive supranational bureaucracy and impose an ideological framework under which to operate in matters of global health.” “One of the worst decisions made during COVID – and promoted by the WHO, among others – was to impose an mRNA product that was still in the experimental phase on populations, including children and babies,” says Dr. Tess Lawrie. Dr. Tess Lawrie is an expert in evidence synthesis and guideline development. She worked as an external consultant to the World Health Organization from 2012 to 2021. Dr. Lawrie is a co-founder of the World Council for Health, founder of BiRD International, and convenor of the Better Way Conference. Follow her at https://twitter.com/lawrie_dr and learn more at https://worldcouncilforhealth.org 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PET CLUB 24/7 - Give your pet's body the natural support it deserves! No fillers. No GMOs. No preservatives. Made in the USA. Save 15% at https://drdrew.com/petclub247 • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW for a huge discount at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today we are welcoming Dr. Tess Laurie. She is the co-founder of the World Cancer for Health. She's an expert in evidence synthesis and guideline development. She's a physician. She worked in obstetrics and gynecology briefly, intermittently. She's a PhD. She's the CEO of Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy. And she's got some ideas. We will talk with her about the rigors of science as they should be applied as compared to how they have been applied, which is, again, mind-boggling to those of us that were trained as scientists.

So we've got a lot to get to today, and of course we watch you on the Rumble Rants and over at the Restream, and I'll see if I can, I have not turned on the Twitter spaces yet, but I will do so right now. We'll see you after this. Our laws as it pertained to substances

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And she's got peer-reviewed scientific publications on PubMed. Please welcome Dr. Tess Laurie. Welcome. Thanks very much, Dr. Drew. Great to be here. So it's a pleasure to have you. I guess we should start with sort of what astonishes you these days about what has happened to our profession and to the sort of foundational principles of science and published literature? Because we talk about it all the time, but I'm curious to get your thoughts about that. Yeah, well, we seem to have seen a shift, certainly certainly with clinical practitioners, not just doctors but across the board, this deference to or the derogation of conscience and ethical practice

to regulatory bodies, societies or whatever, and sort of rules and regulations. And I think that that process where they are just sort of following orders has disconnected them from their patience and their Hippocratic oath and the promise to do no harm. So let me stop you right there and just say, you know, the promise to do no harm. So let me stop you right there and just say, what worries me is not just that that's happening, and it was astonishing to see it happen during COVID.

I thought it was something new, but maybe it isn't. But if they are being trained that way, how do they ever develop medical judgment or even an ethical compass I mean ethics morality is an instinct to some extent and it comes from judgment are you concerned about the lack of of growth of of the clinicians of the young clinicians ability to have that judgment yes I am and I think starts, it's almost a sort of grooming process that starts really early on in school during the selection process, you know,

and so it's the young people who are good at ticking the boxes, knowing how to pass the exams, and then they're the ones that get into medical school. The medical schools have all been infiltrated by private industry and big pharma in particular so that protocols and things are being designed around pharmaceutical remedy or you know products rather than and treating symptoms rather than doctors being trained to look at the root cause what is causing disease um You know, could it be environmental factors, pollutants, et cetera? You know, could it be pharmaceutical products, for example, that get given in huge numbers to very young babies and children? So, you know, it's this infiltration, public-private partnerships, these academic private partnerships that have really corrupted medicine and medical ethics.

And so we no longer have, I would say that doctors are not very well trained now and that they're trained to follow orders and follow protocols rather than really listen to the needs of their patients and think about the root causes before reaching for pills and injections. And this is getting even more sort of centralized in terms of the authority structure. The World Health Organization wants to have fiat authority over elected officials. They want to be the final arbiter of everything, it seems like. What's the solution? I hate to jump all the way to this at the beginning here, but what should we be doing? Well, the solution is really just for us each as individuals to stop outsourcing our

health to others because, you know, we've just learned from the UK Prime Minister that they were just listening to the doctors. And meanwhile, doctors say they've just been following orders and doing what the politicians tell us. And the General Medical Council as well says that it's basically a response to politicians in parliament. So you have a system where nobody's taking responsibility. So, you know, as the public, we really need to take back control of our own health

and say, okay, I'm not going to take anything else. I'm going to do my own research, look at natural products before reaching for pharmaceutical products, and not outsource our decision-making to politicians. Not only that, I think that I've sort of given up on restoring the patient-doctor integrity and autonomy, at least for the time being. My goal has been to move the empowerment over to the patient themselves and give them access, not just to alternative therapeutics, but also pharmaceutical therapeutics that they understand and have used their whole life.

This is not mysterious. You could tell, I put together some travel kits where if you get a diarrhea and you're traveling in Central America, guess what? This Cipro might be useful for you, and you might want to think about that, and here's the condition. It's not hard. Oh, by the way, if you get a sinus infection, you know what you take when you're stateside?

Well, that's what you take when you're traveling also. It's so silly that we make them walk into something like an urgent care and pay for all that infrastructure and employees and equipment. There's no need for it anymore. So I don't know. I think some of this has to be really empowering patients to take over their health care away from all this centralized authority and insane bureaucracy. Yes, I think people have been trained to think that new is better. So they must have the new expensive drug, which is really not the case. The more established medicines are safer.

We know their safety profiles. They've been around for four years, decades. And so we really need to look to repurposing the older medicines for those reasons. Of course, there's no money in that, which is why there's no research that gets done on the old ones. Right, right. So it's pennies per pill as opposed to hundreds of dollars per pill.

Pennies per pill. We've been using them forever. We know how to use them. They're safe as can be, or we wouldn't be doing this. And because there is nobody to pay for the phase three, even the phase two trials, the only people that can really learn how to use some of these repurposed products is physicians using them.

And then again, their judgment, once again, and their clinical experience. I was reminding somebody the other day that randomized clinical trials have only been around for 75 years. I understand they are a gold standard. Most of them aren't powered sufficiently. In other words, there are not enough patients in the population to draw the conclusions they draw.

So they're not powered enough. And there are other things other than RCTs that can give us information scientifically. What do you say to that? Yeah, and they're certainly not powered enough to do side effects.

You know, they're usually powered for efficacy, not side effects. So it takes time to build up the database showing, you know, showing side effects and adverse reactions. So, you know, I would say the other thing is we really need to get back in touch with common sense because if something's really safe, you know, just say safer than aspirin or paracetamol, you know, and you can read the package in certain instructions and that, many of these things are just available over the counter and they should be the medicines that we reach

for first before, you know, trying the more novel, experimental and newer drugs that have been touted by the pharmaceutical industry. And again, this is why I like working with the wellness company so much. And if you have more questions, get a telehealth visit

for pennies compared to walking into an urgent care. And then you'll be prescribed, if appropriate, some of these inexpensive medication, if appropriate if appropriate so anyway there's so many different ways to do this now that we just that we should be really focusing on that but i but i want to get back to the the evidence-based problem if i could just pop in there you know the other thing is is uh you know we all look after our cars a lot

better than we look after ourselves so we need to take preemptive and a preventive approach to our health rather than waiting till we get sick and just like we do an annual checkup with our cars we should be doing you know uh things that keep us well rather than just always treating disease or looking for disease 100 so a one of the things that people don't you know we often we think about exercise and food and fitness and i'll get to that in a section and sleep but but screening for uh dna repair abnormalities there are common people know about theCA genes, but there are other genes like that that you can easily screen for for a very low cost that can change the screening patterns you might get into.

So screening becomes an important part of health maintenance and the frequency of that screening or the intensity of that screening, you can refine it with knowing the risk based on DNA screening. Then sleep sleep very important food in this country dr laurie food is killing us and i'm sick of it and it's very simple but people have people have got to take i'm really getting very serious about this now at this point of my career they have to control this they have to change this and And same thing with exercise. It has to change. And you can't suddenly decide at 88 or 75 that now is the time you're going to look after longevity and health.

You've got to start in your 30s and 40s. It's got to be lifelong patterns. And there's no reason it shouldn't be. And by the way, in today's world, there's so many options for all these things. There's so many ways to do this that it's sort of silly that we don't emphasize this. And we allow the food companies and again, they're just doing what they do. I don't want to lay blame at their feet, but they've created products that are addictive and they make you eat more and you need to know

that and they're not doing it because it's nourishing for you. Yeah, well, I think we need to take a good look at everything that we put into our bodies, both physically and mentally, everything that we're consuming, and look at it with fresh eyes and say, have I been sold this? Is this what I would choose to be healthy, watching TV, being on gadgets? Or am I the victim of propaganda and I need to disconnect from all these digital devices and get out into nature and, yeah, and maybe all that fast food isn't that good for me or the processed food or the, you know, the ready meals and I need

to cook my own food and have family meals. And so I think it is a time where we have to really take stock of how we've contributed to our state of health, and we need to stop being consumers and be more discerning about what we consume. I agree. And there's something else that's been on my mind lately is that in this country in particular, we are fearful

literally in a panic it throws i've seen patients fly into panics about being hungry a normal state that we should be quite used to or any any sort of discomfort slash misery what dr freud used to call ordinary misery. We immediately want relief from ordinary misery in Hungary, which are not pathological states. They are, in fact, good for us. Do you agree? Absolutely. And the number of people who think they're starving if they miss breakfast

is rather amusing. Yeah, we actually don't need to eat three times a day with tea breaks and coffee snacks and things in between. It's been shown that intermittent fasting is really good for us. And if we eat between a window of sort of midday and seven or eight o'clock at night, it actually gives our bodies time to rest. So we're not going to die of starvation. No. Oh, my God.

Starvation is good. Starving, I mean, hunger is good. Starvation is a different state. You're not, trust me, Americans are not going to get into that state of starvation. That's not going to happen. But I want to talk for a couple minutes here before I've got a break um about evidence-based medicine i feel like evidence basis of therapeutic choices is an extremely important discipline and philosophy and i feel like it has been hijacked where evidence basis has become so bureaucratized you mentioned earlier that physicians have become box checkers well the

people that build those boxes would defend that as it's the evidence it's just the evidence and evidence is not thus saith the lord let me give a little frame for this in my world i worked in a psychiatric i'm an internist but i worked in a psychiatric hospital for many years and one of the things i noticed immediately was that literally all the literature in addiction medicine was flawed because rarely was there more than a three-month time horizon on the studies. Most I ever saw was six months, and that is nothing in the disease of addiction. That is a zero timeframe. That is a tick of the clock. Now, six months might give me some information,

but it is certainly not, thus saith the Lord. What has happened? Do you agree with me, A, and B, what the heck has happened to evidence-based medicine? Yeah, I do agree with you. And what's happened is it's been hijacked by the pharmaceutical industry so that only

randomized controlled trials are the gold standard. And only if they tick certain boxes and they cost a million dollars or more can they be done. Now, this is simply absurd, the situation we've got. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the evidence pyramid, but at the top of the evidence pyramid are meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials. And then you have randomized controlled trials, and it goes down to different types of studies. And at the bottom, you've got experience and opinion of health professionals. So there was a time when the experience of health professionals was valued

and studies done by, small studies done by health professionals, case reports, all of these types of studies were important in building a picture, a big picture of whether medicine is useful, how useful, for what conditions and whether it has side effects and so on. anything that was done before randomized controlled trials is simply ignored, and including doctors' experience. And all of those studies, if you think of the hundreds of studies, all those PhD papers written by doctors and scientists that aren't randomized controlled trials, they just get chucked out. And the only trials that get looked at are the randomized trials in this new model of what they're calling the science. So it really needs changing. And instead of this hierarchical approach, we really need of that evidence from all those different sorts of studies contributing to the final assessment of what works and what doesn't, including patients experience, which is a very important part of

evidence synthesis, actually hearing from patients what works for them, what they'd like. And many, you'd be interested to know, actually, many people are afraid of injections. Oh, that's interesting. That would be useful to take into account when designing. Yeah, but their experience is just marginalized, really, let's be fair so i i had experienced just this last weekend that broke my brain that i want to share with you which is you know i was i was very familiar with the bench literature uh on the theoretical mechanism of antiviral activity for ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine i'd read it very carefully and it was it was impressive and i thought oh this might have some use i used it during covid i wasn't impressed i i mean

paxlovid like it man it worked um but i had experienced this weekend where i was traveling with peter mccullough who's a big advocate for early treatment and one of the partners of one of the people traveling with us got a severe viral illness he was clearly going down with high fevers chills prostration he was sick and i thought oh damn this is on you know this is this is not we're another country this is not going to go well and dr mccullough goes no no i want you to use this much ivermectin and this much time cycle and this dude was not just better in eight hours he was well and i thought oh my it just changed my outlook i thought oh they have been advocating for getting this during the viral replication phase i have ignored it because i because it you know the

later on in these illnesses it's not as efficacious but there's something to this and I need to learn more about it. That has been complete. Just to say that I risk being taken down on YouTube. I'm just saying I saw something work. I want to learn more about it. It fit. Oh, here we go. He has to put up a, it's hysterical. He has to put up a disclaimer, but okay. But I saw something work. I want to learn more about it. It fits the biological mechanism as I understand it, which very early suppression of viral replication. I should know more. I should try it in other situations where I don't have a lot else to offer, and I don't want to use protease inhibitors that are so toxic.

Do you have any thoughts on this, or am I going about this the right way? Is this an evidence way to go about it? Go ahead. I mean, this is basically what started my pervert journey and realizing that the pharmaceutical industry is so corrupt and precious because ivermectin was shown in the early, by the end of 2020, there was sufficient evidence for ivermectin in combination with other supplements and things to be recommended for the prevention and treatment of COVID. But it was withheld because it was a major threat to the drug industry, to the vaccine industry. And, you know, in my opinion, the COVID vaccines would never have been able

to be authorized had there been effective early treatment and prevention. So, so, yeah, there was evidence, sufficient evidence. And it's just common sense, as you as you've just demonstrated, Dr. Drew, when you're dealing with a safe old established medicine just common sense, as you've just demonstrated, Dr. Drew, when you're dealing with a safe old established medicine that costs cents, it actually does cost about three cents to produce a tablet. And it could be widely available. In many countries, it's available over the counter.

It's used for as an antiparasitic. So we should just be able to use our common sense. It's safer than aspirin. It's safer than Tylenol. We should be able to just use our common sense and say, well, even if some, even if the World Health Organization doesn't recommend it, perhaps we should just use our common sense and try it in the early stages of COVID or other conditions. Other viral illness. I kind of feel like these could sort of revolutionize. I don't have anything to offer an acute viral illness particularly.

And then the patient wants antibiotics when they have a viral illness. And I know that's only adding to the destruction of the biological, you know, the biome. And this might, perhaps there's something here. Perhaps there's something interesting. Perhaps doctors should be thinking about it. And I know Dr. McCullough is a very, I'm going to get him back on this show and talk about his specific protocols

because I was like, I'm blown away. He knows how to use that that uh emergency kit from the wellness company like nobody else fortunately we had a few because we were with twc so everybody pulled out all their other kits and it broke my brain i i really was astonishing i i the only thing i've seen work that well in a viral illness is i've seen packs of it work very very very well for bad covet which is what it's designed for people over 65 fine but for somebody who's 35 with an un yet you know unclear viral illness or 45 or 55 with a viral illness of uncertain source and like you said in a foreign country where it could go south fast and then you're stuck in it and by the way if it gets away like the virus has a chance to replicate that's where we really get into trouble that's

where the cytokine storms come in that's where all these other things happen and so i don't know it just got me thinking it and it's a way of thinking that is not being supported out there i would say no no but dr drew it's not just for the early stages you know we have had uh uh accounts of individuals who've been told you know been told they're gonna have to go on a ventilator they're in the icu they've got it they've got to go on a ventilator and uh they've smuggled in ivermectin a member of the family's taken it in for them they're taking it and within a few hours they've been discharged from the icu and into the ward much to the surprise of the physicians

treating them so it's it's a common story um and it's a story that the public that has been withheld from the public because um ivermectin is a major threat and other older established medicines a major threat to a pharmaceutical industry particularly I have to tell you I would have been somewhat dismissive of that opinion a week ago but I am not now

but that's really the core of our conversation which is that these clinical experiences have meaning and need to be watched and cultivated. And as you said, it's all the information needs to be brought together on behalf of the patient.

Dr. Laurie, I've got to take a little break here. Where would you like people to go? If they went to one place, would it be the Substack or X? Substack would be good. Thank you.

Okay. And that Substack is what's the… The Substack, I'm not censored. Right. And X is Laurie, L-A-W-R-I-E underscore D-R. And the Substack, I want to get that address right. It is drtestlaurie.substack.com. Take a little break.

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Yes. Well, it took us a while to, we did a systematic review on ivermectin in 2021, and it took us a while to get that published. And there've been so many, I haven't seen as many retractions and things as we have in the last few years where papers go up and then they get taken down,

criticized, there's a barrage of criticism and then they get taken down. It really has been quite extraordinary to watch what's happened in the past few years. So our paper is still up, I'm happy to say, and it's among the top 10 papers and I think 23 million articles, tracked articles. And you had mentioned a couple of times in our conversation, sort of health maintenance and, you know, taking care of ourselves well before we need pharmaceutical agents. Other than what I had just laid out before

which was nutrition exercise sleep these sorts of things what we what else were you thinking of well we are working with a number of we're basically a grassroots organization and we work with a number of partners who have brought our attention a number of um health um risks of health risks, pollutions, and so on, and the things that can be done. So we are, obviously, the COVID vaccines are a big worry, but not just that. The COVID disease has left many people with spike, you know, circulating spikes and long COVID. But the vaccines in particular, we are very concerned because

they give the body a recipe to make spike protein and that recipe doesn't seem to have an off switch or at least a known off switch. So we are encouraging and compiling detox protocols from around the world that people can try to reduce and clear out spike proteins and heavy metals from the COVID vaccines. But also, just generally speaking, we're encouraging detox for everybody because there's fluoride in in the water there's a lot of pollutants in the in the atmosphere and there's also radio frequency radiation electromagnetic radiation which is that unprecedented levels another unregulated industry so all of these things work together to make us feel unwell or for us to be less healthy. And so we're really encouraging people to undertake detox, to get out into nature as much as possible. And with your shoes off and breathing in the fresh air without your mobile phones, doing things like intermittent fasting,

so giving your bowel a rest, and looking at and taking nutritional supplements, so a variety, so including lots of vitamin D and sunshine. So, you know, so really we're asking people to get back to basics and really start getting healthy. There's no time like the present to take control of your health. What supplements other than vitamin D do you have in mind? Well, vitamin C is hugely important. And in actual fact, many of our naturopath healers are suggesting high doses, like as much as five grams a day. And zinc, lots of fermented foods as well, sauerkraut and kimchi for gut health.

So there are a variety, and I urge people to have a look at our detox protocols to see what they would like to take. I worry about, I've seen some convincing data on estrogen and plastics. Is that an area of concern for you? It's not an area of great knowledge that I have, but I am aware that plastic bottles are really bad

and we should avoid them because they have estrogen content. And also in water and that. So I certainly use filtered water and I would encourage people to use filtered water to avoid plastic bottles rather to you know to get a good water filter so that you make sure that you're drinking clean water and yeah and really thinking about your family as well you know because I really worry the children are being there's so many contaminants in our food, all this food that is sort of long life. So really we need to look at eating fresh, you know, vegetables and fruit,

food that hasn't been processed and food that's local as well. I know people, there's an emphasis on organic, but organic is just another authority control mechanism. And in actual fact, if you can locate a farmer who you trust who says, I'm not using Roundup on my food, I don't use those pesticides on the plants that I'm growing, that's a much better way of getting your food. Yeah, so there are a few things there.

Are you worried about the reports of excess deaths? I know your country has begun to, the UK has begun to maybe look at these things a little bit. They're ignoring it here completely. I'm not even sure there's agreement that there is excess death. So I guess it would be, are we having excess deaths? And what do you believe is in that group? We definitely have excess deaths. In actual fact, the figures show that there's 10% more deaths now

than there were during COVID. And there's not a word about it. During COVID, there was a daily count on the television, on the news. So many people have died. And, you know, it was all very worrying. Now there's 10 times that. And there's absolute silence, you know. So very, very worrying. And it's the silence that's worrying the most.

Because the people know on the street, everybody knows somebody's died. Many people are sick. because the people know on the street, everybody knows somebody's died. Many people are sick and their health is deteriorated post-vaccination. And there's just absolute silence from the authorities. In actual fact, they continue to push the COVID vaccine program on everybody. And it's just, it's discombobulating because people can, they have their personal experience and then they're receiving text messages all the time to say, come for your next booster. And it's so hard for people to believe that the system can be so out of control. But I can tell you that we've just submitted a paper today on the World Health Organization's VigiAccess database. Now, since January 2023, they've had more than 5 million adverse drug reaction reports on their own database.

And these reports come from Europe. They come from Americas. they come from all around the world but the majority of the of the deaths data are from America. They've got around 30, I think it's 35,000 deaths among those 5 million that come from America and 12,000 or 13,000 from Europe, but altogether 58,000 deaths and around 5 million adverse drug reactions. And they haven't reported any concerns. So it seems like the WHO actually hasn't done an audit of its own database. And the database has very alarming safety signals.

You don't have to say, well, it might not be causal or whatever. Just the sheer numbers are extraordinary. And there is the argument, well, people were reporting more because it was a new vaccine. This is the reason. But it's certainly not because, and perhaps it's different in the United States, but in this country, there were no adverts saying,

don't forget to report because these are novel injections. The doctors are confirmed. They never received any notifications to say, do report because these are novel and we need to make sure that they are safe. So it's just a fraction, I suspect, of the true number of adverse drug reactions. And when you look through the diversity of disease on that database, it's absolutely mind-blowing. And you can see why.

It's because it causes multisystem disease. The COVID vaccines cause multisystem disease because they cause inflammation. So they affect the immune system. They cause inflammation, and that inflammation can be in the heart, causing myocarditis, or the liver, or the pancreas, or the brain, wherever they cause immune system dysfunction, because the immune system is so busy fighting all the spike protein that's being produced, that it becomes weaker and exhausted.

And so one can get other infections like COVID or autoimmune diseases and so on. And it causes clotting, you know, so bleeding and clotting and ischemia. So you get all of so many, you get strokes and heart attacks. The clots are just reported in all vessels around the body and in the aorta. It just seems like you really wouldn't expect to see so many clots and arteries, but we are seeing that. And then the other type of disease that's there is from the protein deposition, like amyloid, so amyloidosis and other sorts of immune disorders

that then are triggered as a result. So a real range, but you can really draw it back to the mechanism of action or the mechanism of pathology of the COVID vaccines, the spike protein and the cascade of events that follows. So, yeah, it really doesn't look good. And so, you know know this is really a reason why we're saying to people uh take measures to improve your immune system to boost your immune system and detox from the spike protein before you get sick because we don't know who's more likely to get sick than then you know and and who's not and and we have some scientific papers that show that at least one in 800 people will have a severe adverse reaction, but it's much more frequent than that.

It's much more frequent. We can't put a number on it yet. But, you know, as time goes by, many of the illnesses people are suffering from are not even being reported. I would say the majority are not being reported to these drug reaction databases. Yeah, it's so weird to me that we know now that the spike is one of the most toxic aspects of the virus. It really is a spike-opathy. And I understand why we very quickly put together a vaccine against the spike and used it early. What I don't understand is why when we have whole viral alternatives, why if we need to push a vaccine, why you aren't pushing those, which are the Covaxin and things like that, that are much safer and are much broader immunity, frankly,, much more effective in a sense, and don't have this extraordinary production of the spike,

which causes the inflammation, which damages the lining of arteries, that gets into the brain, that is persistent. All these things we know. Also, there was, as you mentioned, a large study that just came out that finally admitted that, oh yes, there is a slight increased incidence

of myocarditis in young people. But then everybody that reported that immediately then jumped to an article from two years ago, again, that showed that COVID caused more myocarditis than vaccine. That was not even the Omicron phase of the illness, by the way. So the point being is that even it is, let's say it is one in 5,000 risk of myocarditis from the vaccine, it's a zero risk from Omicron, essentially zero in a 35-year-old. It's not more likely to cause myocarditis than vaccine. It is a zero risk of myocarditis from the illness in the Omicron era we are now in. So again, back to the question, why we push these things when the risk reward is not there.

Push it on an 85-year-old, okay. 75-year-old, maybe. A 35-year-old, explain that to me. Well, there's certainly sufficient evidence to say that they're not safe enough for anybody, irrespective of age. And we really do suggest that people exercise caution and not take any more. They're simply just not safe. And the speed at which they were designed, developed, approved,

and administered to everybody is totally unprecedented, and you would never authorize something so quickly. It takes at least 10 years to determine whether such a genetic therapy is safe, and clearly they are not safe. And if you want to know more about this, we've got a number of resources on our website, videos. We've held expert hearings in October last year. We held an expert hearing on the DNA contamination scandal in the COVID vaccines because it turns out that they haven't been properly manufactured in any event.

And so the DNA plasmid, which is the sort of template to make the mRNA, is included in the vial. They didn't filter it off properly. So it seems to be in different amounts and different quantities and different vials. And there seems to be no quality control whatsoever. But it means that nobody could have given informed consent to these jabs, even if informed consent was asked. Because I know that many people were not offered informed consent. They were just simply told, line up for the jab.

And in some cases, they're even incentivized with burgers and whatnot. But informed consent is not given, but it was not possible because nobody even knew that they had DNA contamination and that there's a potential for gene integration with these new vaccines, which are not normal vaccines, and they really shouldn't be called vaccines. They are genetic therapies. All right. I think, would you like to take some calls, perhaps, Dr. Laurie? You up for that?

I would be happy to, yeah. Okay. Let's get Josh up, see what he has to say. And then, Susan, you wanted to say something about the kits over at TWC or something before I while we're waiting for Josh come on well you guys are promoting uh oh sorry Josh one second go ahead so um you're promoting you're promoting like good health and supplements and we don't talk about this but the wellness company has all this stuff and we originally met Dr. Zelenko through the wellness company.

And he had his Z-Stack, which was sort of a helpful thing during COVID. And they've really expanded their inventory to everything you need for good health. Vitamin D, K2, C, you know, great vitamins all put together. So we're going to start the bison visceral. Yeah, there's a lot of, I mean, just check out the website. If you guys need to know where great products are, it supports the show. We really appreciate it.

But more than that, we just want to let you know that they're not just, they have like all these new kits now. They have a first aid kit. They have a travel kit. They have a, you know, like these new kits now. They have a first aid kit. They have a travel kit. They have like five different kits now. So they're really starting to expand their kits and their vitamins and check it out. Yeah, and to Dr. Laurie's point, I would have been very sort of about supplements and the data around it. But this whole experience has opened me to ideas and ways of thinking about things.

It's new to me. But I'm seeing good evidence that these things are very helpful. And I certainly agree with you philosophically. And Drew is a paid spokesperson, but I just want to have to say that. But we also completely endorse this company. But philosophically, I just am tired of people letting themselves get sick and when they don't have to. And we need to do something about that.

There's a lot, you know, what we're learning and, you know, my background is in allopathic medicine, but I've learned such a lot since COVID because we have international partners. So we've learned a lot from our Asian partners, particularly there's a lot of natural, I mean, the Philippines and Malaysia, nature is an apothecary, is their apothecary.

And so, you know, also molecular medicine is hugely practiced there and that's really nutritional medicine. And they get so many of the nutritional products from nature, like nigella seed oil, which is a wonderful antiviral, an immune-boosting supplement. Oil is delicious on food. It was a seed.

And curcumin, you know, we use curcumin in our food, but we never think of taking it as a supplement or turmeric. So, you know, those are just a kind of ginger as well. You know, so there's a lot of things that you can take, supplements that you can take, but also you can introduce them, include them in your daily diet. And, yeah, so I include nigella seed oil in my diet and I use it every day. So, and I'm very healthy. And there's also, I know Sarah and I will just, iodine should be taken daily, a few drops of iodine to sterilize the nasal passages and the gut. So, there are all these simple remedies that one can take before you even get anywhere

near needing a doctor. So what Dr. Laura is talking about also is whether we can prevent viral illness before they take hold by putting things into our nasal passages. And that's a whole other area of work we can do. Josh, what's going on there? Not much. So basically, the diet is really important to me. I heard you with Vince and talking about food disorders, eating disorders, I guess. And there's an epidemic of obesity. The pandemic didn't help that for a lot of people who had to stay home. And, and, um, so I wanted to tie that to mental health because I think a lot of the eating disorder stuff is linked to the personality disorder thing.

And, um, I feel like there's, I feel like there's kind of an epidemic of personality disorders now. I mean, you saw, you said you saw them in the 1990s, but boy, you know, if you just look at some of the political leaders, we have a personality disorder problem. I agree. And the mobs too, man. The mobs. The way people react in mobs, that's character stuff. That is character disorder stuff.

Yeah. So basically, I think we're talking about narcissism. And I want to know if we could ever have a pandemic of narcissism where the WHO could say, we have a mental health emergency and it's personality disorder. So I just wanted to, you know, all right,

we'll throw that out there. I appreciate, I appreciate that, Josh. Uh, I, I can't imagine them doing that. Uh,

but what do you say to Lori? Well, I don't know, but I do think, you know, there's been such a huge impact on people's mental health in the last few years, especially for children. And so, you know, I think we need, it does require a special focus and we need to support our young people as much as we can by teaching them about community again and listening to them and creating time, having family dinners, being in nature, doing family things together. I think it's been a very strange time for young people and And yeah, you know, my heart just goes out to them,

really. I think many suffer from anxiety and depression. And of course, when they do get in contact with the allopathic system, it seems like the only option is to put them on antidepressants. That's all that's offered to them. Instead of, again, looking at the root cause and saying, we're not supposed to live in isolation. We're not supposed to live far away from our families. We're not supposed to have TV dinners. We actually thrive when we're together, and we have opportunity to share and communicate.

But to your point about depression and anxiety and to Josh's point about character pathology, if you can't regulate emotions, you add discomfort on top of that, it becomes harder to tolerate. So tolerating hunger when you're already severely dysregulated and that pizza looks good you're going to take the pizza that's just sort of the way humans work and uh so i i do think that is a major contributor here sylvia you have to unmute your your uh thing at the lower left hand corner of your phone to speak to us you're up as a speaker you're just muted so you got to unmute yourself per per caleb's cartoon there that he's he's got and if not i have to throw you back sylvia so you just got to unmute the mic in the lower left hand corner where it says mic is off all right not sure that's going to work and if you want to speak you just raise your hand you've got to click on the button the way Caleb has shown it in the cartoon,

and then I bring you on up here. And Dr. Laurie, I know it's got to be like nine in the evening there. I appreciate you spending some time with us here. Are there any topics we missed, anything that you're concerned about that you want to be sure people to be aware about? Well, you know, I would like people to think about what's just happened in the last few years as an opportunity, you know, an opportunity for great change. And the change starts with each one of us. So, you know, we at World Council for Health are promoting an initiative called the Great Free Set. And this is, you know, so we see we really have the opportunity now to look at how we are living

and how we are getting along together and what's good for us and re-evaluate and think about how we can set ourselves free from the things that are making us feel bad, exploiting us and so on, including this increased globalist agenda called the Great Reset, which seems to be seeking to control us more and more. Did you call it a free set? Yeah, there's a website called thegreatfreeset.org.

And so if you are feeling really overwhelmed, it's a great website to visit because it has some simple steps that you can take, little challenges, and they are presented in quite an uplifting way with cartoons and things to show you how you can liberate yourself from the digital dungeon by using your mobile phone. There's how you can engage more in your community and buy local. The importance of using cash and not getting sucked into all the digital currency and digital IDs. So, just ways where one becomes less of a victim and less exploitable and more resilient. So also teaching people about their rights because, you know,

health and sovereignty are really connected. If you don't know your rights and you don't know that you have rights, that you have choice and you don't have to follow orders, that in actual fact you're your own territory and nobody can come near you with needles or anything else. And you can choose what's best for you. And that's always the best decision. don't have that sense of sovereignty and of self-determination and self-governance and control. So, I mean, many people don't actually even know what sovereignty means. And it's almost a word that's been hidden from us because it's the essence of who we are as human beings or what we should be, what we should be striving to be, which is, you know, that we self-govern and we act on our conscience and that's what determines our decisions.

So, and we're free and our freedom ends where somebody else's begins, so we can't impinge on other people's freedoms. But that we are free to speak, we are free to, we have a bodily autonomy, we're free to travel, and we have rights to have a roof over our heads and food and all of that. So it's really important that people know their rights. And then it becomes much easier not to be a victim and to take control, not only of one's health, but of one's life. And that's, you know, the route to happiness is feeling more in control and less of a victim

or being, you know, having to go uh follow orders and and here here to to all the above and how odd that we have to fight for that i i thought i thought that was something that william wallace had to do i didn't realize it would be a a current sort of a phenomenology that we have to uh engage in both for our individual sovereignty and for our medical freedom but here we are and to your point about it being an opportunity um you said that and i had a very interesting emotional reaction i thought opportunity it's hard for me to see it that way and i thought oh it's because i'm not fully accepting how much things have changed from where, where I want them to be or where they used to be, or I wish they were.

And that, and part of making changes, accepting reality on reality's terms. So I have a little bit of work to do on accepting the present, how bad the present moment is. So I can see it as an opportunity. I'll give final words to you. Well,

there's certainly no going back. You know, what's, what's changed in the past few years is absolutely uh cannot we cannot go back it's it's we're only on a path forward so we we can choose dystopia or we can choose a better way of doing things uh and that's the option really the great reset or the great free set so i'm certainly going to choose the great free set because you know what we've seen is that we we have all these human rights laws and declarations and

organizations but human rights have been violated on a grand scale we have the nuremberg code which is about no medical experimentation without consent and that's medical experimentation's been going on without consent uh informed consent on a grand scale, on an international scale. We have international health organizations that are supposed to be protecting us from disease, but in actual fact, they are weaponizing disease against us by threatening us with more pandemics and such. And we have, you know, we have slavery being abolished and slavery is going on more than ever, not just with adults but children. We haven't even touched on that subject, but the most terrible things and child trafficking and sex abuse is one of the biggest industries, I think it's second only to the drug trade. So, you know, there's all of these things that need to be addressed. The system doesn't work and we need to, we can't fix it. We need to create a

better system or better systems. And so, you know, so if it's my last words, I'd say, you know, there's a better way and let's get busy with it, creating it. Let's get at it. You can follow Dr. Laurie at, on X, Laurie, L-A-W-R-I-E underscore D-R. Dr. D-R, Tess Laurie, T-E-S-S-l-a-w-r-i-e dot substack.com and uh telegram dr teslaurie i don't know what telegram is please also do uh go to the world council for health

website worldcouncilforhealth.org there There's a wealth of resources there for mind health, for detox, for communication. There's so many interesting videos to watch. And in actual fact, I think importantly, do stay tuned for information on our WHO expert hearing, which is on the 26th of March, and there'll be more information on social media about that. Beautiful. Dr. Laurie, thank you for joining us. Thank you very much, Dr. Drew. Cheers. All right. The coming up schedule, as I said, I believe I'm off next week,

though that is not set in stone yet. Caleb, are you gone all week? Is that what's happening? I'm supposed to be gone, but my schedule has not yet been set. But the following week, go ahead. I'm gone this weekend. I'm not gone all week. Okay.

Next week, we, excuse me, the following week, though, starting with Brett Weinstein on the fifth, Dave Rubin, Kevin Vance, just a crazy schedule. Carolla, Fela, Christine Anderson, you know, from the Freedom Fighter from the European Parliament. So a lot coming. Should be very interesting.

We appreciate you all being here. Let me take a glance at the Rumble Rants. Okay, you guys. Herb Green is a sucker for foreign accents. That's a British accent. Is that a foreign accent? That's you guys. Herb Green is a sucker for foreign accents. That's a British accent. Is that a foreign accent? That's you guys over on the Restream. A lot of thank you and gratitude for Dr. Laurie and her ideas.

All right, we will leave it at that. We have Mike Benz. I don't know if you guys saw that. Mike Benz has been very active in social media lately, explaining the um what do we call it the um censorship complex he calls it the blob which involves government and private and it's when you see his videos it first of all things start to make sense that i could not make sense of i couldn't understand where it was coming from and uh it's sort of scared not sort of scary

it is quite scary his uh construct of what is going on out there the atlantic group i suggest you look that up it's kind of wild what is what his what his uh constructs are and what seems to be happening to us so it's important we know about it and stand up to it that will be march 20th with mike benzz. And we'll be back a week from Tuesday. Do keep an eye out. If we do do something next week randomly, we will let you know. But as it is,

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