Ask Dr. Drew - Felony After Refusing To Wear A Mask: Navy Veteran Tim Hazelo Fights Masking Mandate Conviction While Running For Office – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 647

Episode Date: July 23, 2026

A Navy veteran was convicted of a felony after refusing to wear a face mask while observing ballot counting during the 2024 election. Tim Hazelo says the conviction caused him to lose his security clearance and his defense contracting job. He is appealing the conviction while also running for the state House in Washington’s 10th Legislative District. Steve Cortes joins to discuss his new documentary which argues political leadership and government mismanagement drove both the Pacific Palisades wildfire and the stalled rebuild. Joe Winston, CEO of NET Recovery, speaks on the FDA-cleared neurostimulation device that he says can manage opioid withdrawal symptoms without pharmaceuticals. Steve Cortes is a former 25-year Wall Street bond trader and has appeared on Fox News, CNN, and CNBC, and led Hispanic voter outreach for the Trump campaign. His new documentary is “Palisades Fire: Newsom’s Nightmare.” Follow at https://x.com/cortessteve Tim Hazelo is a retired U.S. Navy veteran whose service spanned Desert Shield/Desert Storm and counter-narcotics missions across South and Central America. Now a defense contractor training combat aircrews at NAS Whidbey Island, he has also served two terms as Chair of the Island County Republican Party and is now its State Committeeman. Follow at https://x.com/TNTT_Hazelo Joe Winston is the founder and CEO of NET Recovery, maker of a non-invasive neurostimulation device for opioid withdrawal and addiction recovery. He holds an MS in Engineering from the University of Pennsylvania and a BEng from Johns Hopkins. Learn more at https://relief.netrecovery.net/ 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • CHAPTER - For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial [phone] to speak with my trusted partner, Chapter, or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://askchapter.org/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don’t directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He was on our show last year talking about this case, and I told him he should run for office. And today, that is precisely what he is doing. So follow him on X at TNTT. underscore Haslow, H-A-Z-E-L-O. We'll talk to him as Washington State's 10th district he's running for him. Then Steve Cortez, who has appeared on multiple news outlets. He has a new documentary about Gavin Newsom. This should be entertaining and the Palisades fire. He went to the Palisades with cameras and he says the fire was preventable.

Of course it was. Of course, also nothing has been rebuilt as predicted by Adam Carolla. Follow him on X at Cortez Steve and he spells it, It doesn't, not quite the way it sounds, C-R-T-E-S, Steve, no underscores or anything. And then finally, Joe Winston, CEO of N-E-T Recovery. He's got a really interesting device, an FDA-clear neurostimulator that I wanted to hear about that helps manage opioid withdrawal symptoms with no pharmaceuticals. So I've got a lot of ideas about this in terms of opinions about myself, let's say.

You can find all this at Instagram at net.net.orgory, n-t-recovery. Back with Tim Haslow. Our laws, as it pertain to substances, are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a second.

Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveland all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. Do you have trouble?

You can't stop. and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. As I said, Tim Haslow is a retired veteran. He had been through Desert Storm and missions across South and Central America. He has a felony for not wearing a mask. When you say it, it sounds like you can't.

The words, I choke on the words. You can follow him, as I said, TNTT under Slow Haslo. It's also hit votehaslo.com. Votehaslo.com slash meet. Tim and then I don't know what this is exactly truth, not trash with Tim. I'm assuming that's a podcast. Tim, welcome back. Yeah. Yeah, well, hey, I appreciate you having me back.

It's been about a year and boy, there's been a lot of craziness since then. And you're in your new office. Yeah, I mean, it's got 18 wheels and a great view. Did you see those trucks in China that are all sort of Waymo or whatever? Yeah, yeah. It's pretty wild. My family's been truck drivers for most of my life, and I just figured, you know what? I've got an opportunity to start a new career at 58 years old, not that I wanted it.

But I decided I'd be a truck driver and keep serving my community. Amazing. So just let's sketch for people what happened to you. We actually have some of the video. We can either run that as B-roll or just tell us exactly what you went through and then how you got to this moment. Yeah, well, I was the chairman of the Republican Party, and so it was my duty to go observe the elections. Now, mind you, this was 2024, November. There was no COVID emergency. There was no health department mandates or, what would you call it, issues. There was no warnings. There was no COVID out there.

And so she said, I had to wear a mask to be in the room. You saw me shaking the hands with the police officers. And I said, well, wait a minute. I don't think you as a low. of a politician have the authority to require a mask. And so I just challenged the authority peacefully. There wasn't even a swear word. And then I got up and walked out with the police and we shook hands and he escorted me up front to sign out because I had signed in legally. And so we went into the court system to challenge the mask mandate and this far left

prosecutor, Mr. Banks decided that he was going to elevate this to a felony and charged me with an unauthorized access to a polling place. which has never been charged to anybody in a state of Washington before. I'm the first one charged and the first one convicted of it. He says, I lost my access when I refused to wear the mask, and that's what warranted the felony. So since then, though, the lawsuit against the county is moving forward. We're in some appeals courts in Seattle, which, you know, it's Seattle.

So we'll see how that goes. We'll probably be on that to get anywhere. The criminal stuff is in appeals. My security clearance had not been revoked after. all. It had been suspended temporarily, and it's back in business. So now we're arguing with the company that they should let me go back to work, but who knows how that's going to work out, Drew? But you know, you know me. I got a smile on my face everywhere I go. I want to be known as the guy that dies with a smile on his face, regardless of what happens in life. So,

but that's where we're at today with all the loss. I don't, I can't maintain a smile on your behalf even. So I just, I just, Just imagine what you're experiencing. But it's obviously lawfare because you were the head of a party, right? I mean, that's obviously what that was. I mean, that's what everybody, everybody, except for the far left season that way. And it's crazy. I still get, I mean, I've gotten death threats over this, which is just ridiculous to me.

You know, I'm just a normal blue-collar dude. Tim, you didn't, you, you didn't go, did you break down the door without your mask and run in there like a maniac? Or you came in, they said, get out, you got out. and that was the end of it, right? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, she came in and told me that I had to wear a mask, and I challenged her authority. He says, I don't think I have to wear a mask.

Go find me an RCW or a law that says I have to wear a mask. And then instead of coming back and showing me an RCW or a law, the sheriff came in and said, I have to go. And mind you, you heard this last time. The sheriffs weren't wearing masks when they came in either. Neither were some of the workers that were working. You can go look at Como News, and they've got video of this. old guy working in there without a mask on.

So this is obvious. It's a bad state affairs when you can't even peacefully challenge corrupt authority or overbearing authority without worrying about going to jail. I mean, they tried to put me away for six years, Drew that. I mean, let's be real here, you know. It is so stunning. And so talk to us about how you got to your campaign, your campaign for office and how it's going. Well, my wife and I both blame you because when I talked to you last time, you said, oh, man, you should run for office. You know, your name's everywhere.

People know who you are. And I think we quipped. And I said, well, yeah, I convinced my wife of that, right? Because she said she'd divorced me if I ran for office. And funny story is now she's running for office as well. She's running for county clerk in the county we work in and we live in. And so we're both running for office. Just add an M in vote Hayslow, vote M hazel.

And you can see hers. So that's how we ended up doing what we're doing. It's for, it's more, it's not even because of the mask drew. It's because the state of Washington has gone so far left. I mean, they've fallen off the left wing cliff. We've had the highest tax increases in the history of our state. We now have an income tax, which we've never had, and it's unconstitutional, according to the state constitution.

We're $9 billion in debt, and yet we've doubled our budget in 10 years. There's a lot going on here that has nothing to do with this mask. thing. The mask just got me in a position where people know my name and hopefully it helps, you know, because there's a lot bigger fish to fry than just me out there not wearing a mask. And we've got a lot of work to do nationally, but for sure here in Washington State. Is this a state congressional office or are you applying for a federal office? No, this is state legislature. So it's a legislative district 10 up in the northwest area of state. Yeah. And it's a beautiful area. I mean, have you ever, have you been out here?

Where is it exactly? I've been to Washington a lot. Oh yeah, yeah. Up in the islands, Whidbey Island, San Juan Islands, Skagit County, farmland. It's so beautiful, Drew, and I don't want to leave, but my kids can't afford to live here. And so they're probably going to leave. And if they leave, why would I stay, right? I totally understand. And so we were up there. We actually went up into Vancouver. and have friends at a property on the San Juan Islands and things. And I always thought that was sort of part of Seattle. Is it really separate?

Oh, it's totally separate. I mean, the San Juan's in Seattle are night and day when it comes to beauty and peace and serenity. I mean, I can't imagine. I live where people want a vacation. That's the crazy part about it. And it's a beautiful place. And I saw it in 95 when I got stationed here. And the wife and I just decided to stay.

and this is where we raise the kids. Well, I still, I'm just shaking my head. It's just, I don't understand. Let me ask it this way. I'm living in a world that I don't understand. And now that a different administration is in the federal government, is that changing the kind of legal nonsense you're facing? No, you know, this is a Washington thing.

This, you know, this county office was the old, we couldn't find another one in the entire country that was requiring a mask in, in any office, let alone one small room in an office. So I would love to have some federal help here. I don't know if I'll ever get it. You know, even even a knock on the door from Harmead Dillon or somebody might swing this a little bit. So if you know anybody, Drew, you're a lot more popular than I am, not that I'm asking. I mean, I know Harmead, I know her meat, but she's busy, you know, and Michael Gates is. trying to save California. He was in there with her. And so that was my, you know, people I knew. But I, I just, I don't understand what I'm struggling with is why there was a liability for you. Right. I mean, it was like you did actually nothing. You went in, you were told to wear a mask, you went out, and that was it. That was all there was. And you told her, I don't want to wear a mask.

I don't get me an RCW. You didn't run into the room, right, and demand. it. You stayed out in the wherever you were, the closet there. Yeah. Well, and that was the law. You know, the law that they convict me of was designed for people who sneak into a ballot office and manipulate ballots and get into the computers and do things of that nature. And so that law was never even put in place for what this was, but it was the closest thing that's far left. So let's so where that sort of inevitably leads to questions about were they doing something untoward? in that room that they didn't want you to see? Did anybody else get a chance to observe? Or did you have some, did you tilt your hat? Did you might want to do something yourself? If, you know, what, what, where did they come with that accusation? Had you said something

polemic at one time? And was there something going on there that they were trying to hide? Well, I mean, those are all great questions. I don't think they were trying to hide anything. I honestly think that our office is pretty secure and that the people that work there are pretty fair. And they never accused me, Drew, of messing with ballots or even intending to mess with ballots or mess with voting. I never was accused of any of that. So it really just does come down to this far left prosecutor, Mr. Banks. Now, we filed bar complaints against him. He's actually in an argument with the local court system over some of the legalities of this case. So the court system is taking him to a higher court because of this. So this guy is just out of control. And that's

that's the problem is we have these far left prosecutors that are out of control. So that's another reason to run, right? Because we need some reform in our system, not just our taxation system and our spending system, but even our legal system needs some reform here. If a prosecutor can just run crazy and prosecute anybody he wants to for anything he makes up, we've got bigger problems than just me not wearing a mask. Well, we'll just call you California at that point. But I have no idea how we would fix it here.

How do you plan to fix it there? Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, I think just calling awareness to it. And if I were to get into office, wouldn't that be something, right? And then I would have that microphone. I'd have that position to talk about it. So bringing awareness to it is probably the biggest thing we can do. And that brings me to the run for legislative district.

You know, here I am now. I've got to make up for a year and a half of lost wages. So I'm on my seventh 14-hour day and six days today trying to make up. And then when I get off work, I campaign, I do emails, I do fundraising, I do what I can before and after work. So this is a tough road to hoe, but this is a very swing district in the state and a lot of the big players out here seem to think that this is a district we can win. So we're going to push hard for it. Oh, good for you. All right.

Where do you want people to go? Should they go to your podcast and listen to you, talk about these issues? really just go to the website? The website for the campaign is probably the best. You can go to the podcast and watch all the older videos that I put out about this issue. The one thing I would say, though, is, you know, just like every other state, the Democrats have raised us five to one. And so anybody out there in Republican world, conservative world, common sense world, that wants to come and help out, even if we're not in your district or your state, it makes a big difference and we will we will use every penny wisely so go to the website donate if you can we got to

catch up because we got a good message drew you got a good message the conservatives have a good message we just have to figure out how to get it out and that costs money you know i i i sit right in the middle as i've always said i just i am the common sense guy for sure and so that's the part i struggle with when common sense is obfuscated somebody you put in our chat brandy cruz is on your side Is that meaningful? Oh, yeah, yeah. Brandy Cruz is huge out here. Her and there's another guy, Jason Rance, you've probably heard of him. He's filled in on Fox a couple of times.

But those guys, he's run some good stories on the Seattle Red site. Brandy Cruz on her podcast does a great job. And so we're raising the awareness of this. And a lot of people are coming out and supporting us. But once again, it's all about getting in office because if you can't get in, you can't change. And I'm kind of a moderate guy myself, Drew. I mean, I wouldn't have been a million years even challenged the mask mandate if I thought it was going to lead to something like this. I'm 58 years old.

I had a great job. I was senior top secret security clearance. Why would I risk that over that this, right? So this prosecutor really made it rough on me. We want to go. We want to get back at him if we can, but I don't know if it's possible. I'd rather just get out of it and move on with my life and have a smile on my face. I get it.

And of course, the kind of mask they were going to have you wear is completely useless for everything, respiratory. It's good for bacteria in your mouth if you're doing active surgery. So the mouth bacteria don't get into the surgical wound. That's why they're called surgical masks. That's what they're designed to do. What if they had told you stand in the corner and jump on one foot? Would you have been obliged to do that? I mean, it's the same thing.

That's the question, right? What if they told me I had to wear a hat or a turban or I had to wear flip flops or one-legged pants? I mean, this is the nuts part about it, through there was no COVID emergency. The health department had issued no warnings, no indications of any COVID whatsoever. This was arbitrarily done by this one politician. And because we live in the far left state of Washington, it's going to be a fight. And we're probably going to have to appeal all the way out of the state to finally get any resolution. solution. Wow. And is somebody helping you with that? Yeah. So Brandy actually had some friends that

have a lot more money than I do. Obviously, I'm just a blue collar guy. And so we've got some donations. We've got a couple attorneys that are helping out. And it's amazing. I appreciate it. You can imagine. So yeah, I mean, that's it's it's got we got to do something because things are indeed out of control. All right. Well, the, Give them the particulars one more time where you want them to go. Yeah, so I want you to go to Vote Hazelow, H-A-Z as in Zebra, E-L-O.com. Check out the website. If you can help out, help out.

And then from there, you can look at all the different links I have for news media and videos. And if you just type my name into Google search, unfortunately, there's a lot out there. Good, bad, and indifferent. So I appreciate you guys all. I appreciate you, Drew. and in a year or so, we'll visit again, and I'll tell you everything's great. That's what I'm hoping for.

I hope that for you. Thanks, Tim. Appreciate it. Hi, thanks, Drew. Have a great afternoon. You too. All right, as I said, we have Steve Cortez in here next. He has a new documentary. There's a lot to talk about there.

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So Steve Cortez, you can follow. Let me get here the particulars for Steve, Cortez, Steve, as I said. And he has a new documentary. We'll talk about where you can see that. He's a 25-year Wall Street bond trader and has appeared on multiple news outlets. He led the Hispanic voter outreach for Trump campaign. And he has a new documentary, Palisades Fire, Newsom's Nightmare. You can follow Steve, as I said, Cortez, Steve on X.

Steve, welcome. Dr. Drew, thank you. so much for having me. Good to see you. So, like you, I love you on Gutfeld, which I know people talk about all the time, whenever it gets something about that show that lights people up. So talk to us about the documentary because I'm, I guess, I know there's a lot there. I guess, and any of us live in this area, we all know that. But the question is, what surprised you? Sure. Well, a few things. And let me, thank you for having me and giving me the platform to talk about this because it's so important now for the whole country, given that Gavin Newsom's clearly running for president. This is no longer

just a California problem. By the way, I happen to be in California today visiting. I don't think I'm near you. I'm up in Napa right now. But looking around this gorgeous state, only leftists could ruin a place like California. Only people as miserable as Gavin Newsom, unfortunately. And he did ruin one of the most beautiful places on earth, which is the Palisades. And I do blame him not only for a preventable fire, a preventable tragedy, but also, I put even more blame on him. And he did he put even more blame on him. for this, the lack of rebuild in a country like America, in a state like California, the fact that that place is not being rebuilt with urgency, with gusto, is appalling. And the thing that surprised me the most, Drew, I knew it was bad, but I didn't know just how bad. Well over a year later,

I stood there, the Palisades, one of the most expensive, most gorgeous neighborhoods on planet earth. The Palisades, Drew, it looked like it had been bombed the day before. Okay, I mean, that's literally what it looked like. A shell of a neighborhood, ashes, no workers, nothing going on. No trucks, no hammers swinging, no yellow vests, no activity. It should be the busiest construction site in America. Thousands of homes were burned to the ground, Altadena as well, by the way, as you well know, I'm sure, not just Palisades, but I focused on Palisades mainly because so many Americans know it because of TV and movies. And I also focused on it, and this part surprised me as well, that most of the folks who can afford to live in the palisades,

most of them are connected, left-leaning California Democrats. These are the friends and allies of Gavin Newsom. And even they can't get permits, even they cannot rebuild their homes. I think that tells you something about the corruption, about the ineptitude, about the malfeasance of Gavin Newsom, that even his pals can't get permits to start to rebuild. And what I'm trying to show America is, hey, realize what he's done here.

What has he done in California? That's what he'll do for the country if he's an elected president and he's clearly running. Yeah. I don't know if you saw my friend Adam Carolla who's calling me right now. Yeah, no. I don't think I can hook him in. Well, by the way, I tried to get him on my documentary and I wasn't able to. We used footage of him.

So I use clips of Adam instead of live Adam. But I wish he'd come out and interview with me. he would, he would, he was on fire with this particular topic because he's been dealing with, here's a, here's some footage of the, of the documentary. He's been, he was a contractor before he went into comedy and he was fighting, building a safety forever. And he sat there, he called me on day one. His house went for the grace of God got preserved, but everything around it was burned down.

He looked down, he said, just mark my words. He said it right there. At that night, he did a sort of a FaceTime. And he said, there will be no rebuilding for these three years. There was nothing. Nothing will get done. And since then, there is one house being rebuilt on the water side of the highway. I don't if you saw that one.

And he went out there every day and took video of what they're doing. And fundamentally, those people, whoever they are, probably not even from this country, because they have unlimited amounts of money. They're spending millions and millions and millions of dollars just on casons to be able have put the platform for the house to be put on because that's what they're required not just by the the la city but by the coastal commission so what did you get into the coastal commission and the absolute craziness there yes we did and and of course and that's even more of an issue as i'm sure you know further north up by malibu coastal commission and because of the coastal commission where they

have authority those homes will never be rebuilt it's not just a matter of a slow rebuild i mean that will never happen again in places where we know, you know, homes were able to safely exist before. But by the way, too, there's so many aspects. Yeah, there's so many aspects. For a hundred years, based on, built on telephone polls, essentially. Yeah, correct. And there's so many aspects of this. By the way, to connect us to the current news cycle, because a lot of Americans have had to

endure this smoke, which has come down from Canada. It's been awful in a lot of parts of America. The haze, the smell, darkness in the middle of the day. Those fires were preventable. but Canada, because of its radical policies, doesn't properly manage its forests. You know, who else doesn't properly manage their force? California. So California's problems and Canada's problems become problems then for the rest of the country because smoke doesn't stay where we necessarily want it to stay.

The winds take that smoke to other places. So that's the beginning of the problems in California is that Gavin Newsom refuses for reasons of totally misplaced eco-radicalism. He refuses to properly manage the force of California. The way other states do, by the way, I show this in the documentary. This was news to me. I learned this doing my research. Florida used to have a huge problem with wildfires.

In part because Florida has, it's obviously a hot place. They have tons of lightning, which is how most wildfires get started. And Florida used to have a real problem. But then they got... We have electrical company. We have high-tension wires that start ours. Typically. Correct.

But Florida got serious about... The other way we get it to is arson here. Correct. And this one was arson. Right. But they got serious about forest. management in the state of Florida and then also serious about fire response because even if you do properly manage the forest and trim them properly, inevitably there are still going to be some fires,

so you have to have that emergency response ready. And guess what? Governor DeSantis is Florida does that, they do it so well that it never even makes the news, Drew. In other words, small fire starts up, fire put out, no story, right? That doesn't happen in California. It certainly didn't happen with Altadena and the Palisades. The biggest reason, because the reservoirs were dry, because the Santa Yines Reservoir specifically, which is massive and is intended exactly for the Palisades and exactly for a time like that, they knew Gavin Newsom and anybody with a brain in California knew drought conditions. The Santa Ana wins, which are as predictable as could be. So the Santa Ana winds flaring up. They knew that it was a tinderbox and you need to be extra ready. Instead of being ready, the reservoir was dry and there was literally no water for the firefighters. No. water at all. They had to simply watch thousands and thousands of homes burn to the ground. So in the first place, the fire should be preventable. And by the way, Gavin Newsom lies constantly and blames climate change for the forest fires in, and then the fires problems in California. That is ludicrous. As a matter of fact, in one of my other documentaries, I show a chart on forest fires globally. And the chart, it screams from the upper left to the lower right, meaning total acres burned in the world have plunged for decades and decades. Why? Because we've just gotten much smarter as a species and we have the technology to deal with and prevent forest fires. So that's ludicrous. Even if you believe that the climate has changed the way he says,

which I don't accept that premise, but even if you believe that, we still have the means and technology and expertise to manage forest fires. So it's not climate change, okay? It was in this case an arsonist, but the arson only got so destructive because the forest armed property managed and there was no, yes, and the winds, of course. But again, which you know are predictable, and there's no water. to put it out. And we also showed, of course, Reardon, who ran for mayor of L.A., local business developer. He did have his own private fire protection and fire response operation, his own water, his own men, his own personnel. Guess what? He saved his block. Not Reardon. Oh, God. Oh, wait. Yeah, you're right. Caruso.

Caruso. Yeah, Caruso. Caruso. Yeah, Caruso. Caruso. Thank you. So they didn't bring in the helicopters because they said the winds were too fast, but that's not true. We actually know the company that runs the air response, and they're furious that they keep saying the air couldn't have come in. They could have come in. Yeah. They were told not to because there's a weird, so many weird things I want to say about what you've just unloaded on me. There's this bizarre preoccupation with safety.

Safety, safety, safety. Safety, safety, or powerless. I don't know if you saw the committee meeting that Trump had with the Mayor Bass, within a week of the fire. And he goes, let's do this, build it, let's go. And she goes, safely, safely, safely, this is the point. And safely, they can't get over the,

they think you get out of their own way. Let's even, let's even accept, I'm willing to accept Governor Newsom's premise that there's climate change involved here. So then prepare for it. Then deal with it. Then deal with the climate change.

So I've lived my whole life at one time or another, in Pasadena here. We have the foothills just right over here. And I watch my whole life. Those hills being criss-crossed with tractors for decades. They looked like a tick-tac toad board up there. Then somebody smart in the late 70s, which what we're reliving now, went, oh my God, there's a field mouse that can't get across those fire breaks. You must stop. Then they had fire, they had fire resources. They had teams that would go up there all year long and clear the brush.

Got to get rid of that because it's not natural. And on top of that, all that CO2, they're so concerned about CO2, one brush fire in this state will undo 10 years of every car in this state being electric. Completely. So what are they, they're so misplaced.

They're interested in representing not going. governing. That's their thing. In this state, in this city, in this county, we got to represent, got to represent. Place the table. No governance. You should see, did you see their behavior around the water mains that just blew here? Five water mains blew in the last week. They're walking around like, what's a water main? It's literally what they're doing. And that's who governs this city. I thank God, we are in Pasadena. We are a completely separate system. I was looking around the other day. I was like, oh my God, things work here. People were doing our pipes. We're looking at our sewage system. We have our own, we have our own police, fire, everything. And guess what things work? And

it's why they're not complaining about Altadena, because it was an act of God. Everyone understand it was terrible. But they did the best they could. They responded well. But it wasn't a complete failure of the system the way it was on the other side of town and the LA and the LA responsibility. And even, you know, and by the way, we had reservoirs and we had functioning water and things like that here too. But trust me, Newsom has no idea what's going on. None whatsoever. He's not been down here. He's not been looking at things. He's not been trying to make it better.

No, not at all. Yeah. No, he's too busy scamming the taxpayers of California and, in fact, the country. Of course, he and his wife are being investigated right now for corruption. And there's at least a lot of smoke, to use a fire analogy. I think there might actually be some criminality there. We'll see. But the point is, listen, I do take Newsom seriously, okay?

He's a very skilled liar. He's a very talented charlatan. He's good looking. He's slick. he's good at media. He spins a yarn that seems plausible if you don't really pay attention. And so because of that, I have a healthy amount of fear of him. And as an American, I think that Gavin Newsom in the Oval Law Office would be absolutely frightening for this country, for this republic. But I know he's going to have a lot of resources running for president. He has a good degree of fame. And again, I believe he's got a certain

talent. He has no ethics, no principles, but he has a certain amount of talent. And so given that, I think it's important to try to get ahead of this and expose who he is, expose the California record. For example, one of the things I say in this documentary, even though it's not directly related, but I just wanted people to see it because thankfully I typically get millions of views in my docs is that California has the highest poverty rate in America. That shocks people when I tell them that. And they always double-check me.

They say, no, that can't be true. And then they go check it. Sure enough, it is true. Because, of course, the way the Census Bureau does it properly, it adjusts for cost, as it should. And in terms of standard of living, right, California is the poorest state. in America? How is that possible in a state with these kinds of resources, both human and natural resources, that this is poorer than West Virginia or Mississippi? California, poorest state in the country, totally preventable disasters, complete failure to rebuild one of the most beautiful

neighborhoods on planet Earth, and we can't get it rebuilt in the United States of America. I mean, think of what California used to do. Think of the earthquakes, something you cannot predict, something you cannot control, unlike the wildfires. Think of the earthquakes in San Francisco, how quickly that city rebuilt, right, with that kind of spirit, when California was still truly sort of a Western state, had a frontier mentality, and how quickly San Francisco rebuilt,

or even in the current day, going back to Florida, Florida, which gets hit with hurricanes, which, again, you can't manage a hurricane, okay? There's just nothing you can do about a hurricane coming and hitting you. Look at the way Florida rebuilds. Look at what Ron DeSantis has done there time and again with serious natural disasters striking his, state and then contrast that with what Gavin Newsom has done in the failure to rebuild. Because again,

as awful as the fire itself was, I put even more blame and more onus on him. And I think it's even worse in terms of for his record, the failure to rebuild afterward, because the fire was a snapshot in time. And it was a disaster and it was totally preventable. But now what we have is a slow motion disaster, right, that's been going on a year and a half long and counting. And it doesn't seem like it's going to round the corner anytime soon. I mean, Am I going to come back and make this doc in two years and then find the same thing, Dr. Drew, perhaps. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Look, and again, Krola is out there educating me about this. He goes, this would be the greatest trade educational program. Why don't we get some of these, you know, we have a black mayor who's interested in the south central population. Let's get some of those kids out there and train them how to do PVC piping and frame a house. And we could train them all. There should be maybe thousands of workers out there working on these things. training in these things, bringing young people up through the ranks. There's such an opportunity there.

No. I'd rather they just stay dependent and be good voters that we hand money to because that's how we keep our control of the state, right? Yeah. No, unfortunately. And again, I was there on a weekday, in the middle of the day, nothing going on. I mean, nothing. It literally looked like it had just been bombed.

That's the kind of impression. It didn't look so much like a fire, looked more like it had been attacked, you know, militarily and ashes everywhere and and the views for folks who don't know who are watching who don't know palisades they're almost sort of nature's steps down to the Pacific I mean that's really how you can kind of think of them they're almost terraces down to the Pacific so almost everyone has an ocean view at least a little bit of one just a stunning neighborhood I mean a truly stunning place Ronald Reagan lived there when he was an actor for example all kinds of stars have lived there wealthy Californians generally an upscale place not entirely upscale by the way

but generally so. And by the way, too, in addition to the property destruction, you know, people died. It's hard to know exactly how many, you know, because which deaths do you subscribe to the fire itself, but probably at least a dozen people died that day in addition to the massive property destruction. But the failure to rebuild, I just, I think it's horrendous. As Americans, even if we don't live in California, even if you don't care about California, as an American, I hope everybody feels outrage about that. Because as Americans, when something bad befalls us, when it's a hurricane or a fire, or whatever it is, right?

With 9-11 happens with a terror attack, we rebuild, right? We rebuild. And we need to do it with a sense of urgency, the way America knows how to do because we have the resources. We have the engineering. We have the attitude. We have the financing. There's just no excuse for the complete failure to rebuild. And my hope is, and my expectation is, as Americans see that, even Democrat primary voters are going to say,

Hmm, not sure we want to take a risk on this guy, on the guy who managed this disaster and this complete failure to rebuild. So I'm hoping to do more documentaries, by the way, on Gavin Newsom, because, again, I have a healthy amount of fear. Go do the homeless. Do the homeless thing. Do homeless. You'll be flabbergasted. You will be flabbergasted by what they did there. It's negligent manslaughter.

And if they didn't have qualified immunity, they would be guilty of murder. not my mind. It is absolutely stunning. Okay. Oh, you please bring me back. I'll be happy to talk about that. Yeah, it lost, you know, Southern California in particular, California at large, was where people came to do stuff. If you like the Ford versus Ferrari movie, Shelby came out here to open his place and build the Shelby cars and stuff because you could do whatever you can do it here. You could do stuff. Right. You cannot do anything here now. You can't do anything. Everything is regulated. Everything is shut down. Everything is controlled from above. It's bad. Did you cover it? the rail, the high-speed, so-called high-speed rail between nowhere and nowhere between

Bakerfield and Modesto, that calls us over, will overran $100 billion? Right. No, I did not, but that could be its own documentary, right? I know a lot about it. But, yeah, that didn't come up in this one. I try to keep these things reasonably. This one's 38 minutes long, which is actually my longest. So I try, I aim for more like 25, 30 minutes because I find that's kind of a sweet spot

where people will actually watch the whole thing. So these are short docs. So I try to tackle one specific subject, you know, at a time. And with Newsom, unfortunately, there's too much content, right? There's too much for me to expose about Gavin Newsom because he has been just that dishonest and that miserable, a failure as a governor. But again, despite that record, take him seriously. Okay, I take him seriously.

And especially when I look, I'm a campaign guy mainly, right? I mean, I make these documentaries, but I'm doing them mostly in campaign mode, right? Because I'm a campaign guy. And when I look at the campaign field, and I know 28's a ways off, but I think AOC is getting in, right? I think Kamala Harris is probably, and I think there's a number of radical candidates, should we call them sort of of color, like DEI candidates, okay, who are going to all have their respective lanes. And then you over here, you have Newsom, who is considered somewhat of a moderate.

I don't believe he is. But compared to the DSA communist, you know, Mandani crowd, he's considered moderate. So you have sort of this moderate white guy, right? Moderate straight white guy, which is an anomaly in the Democrat Party. And I fear that if those DEI candidates all sort of carve up that section of vote, that Newsom could become the nominee. And if Newsom is the nominee, I want us to be ready. And what I'm trying to do is build a content library

that we are ready on day one to expose exactly who is Gavin Newsom to the American people. Well, homeless is more directly related to him and more outrageous and more of a devastating human story. In fact, I worked on a homelessness documentary, was working with the Salvation Army that's coming out in San Francisco very soon. And anyway, we'll talk.

I'll be happy to help you with that one because I have been outraged by the human tragedy that need not be. That they just, you see, you saw what they did in the mayoral race. They used these people for votes. I mean, so we've exposed that piece of the story. All right, Steve, thank you so much for being here. Where do you want this? Where should they go to see the documentary? Yeah, Drew, I really appreciate it.

Thank you so much. Go to Cortez investigates.com. Cortez, with an S at the end, Cortez Investigates.com. I appreciate it very much, sir. Thank you. Great. See you soon. Thank you.

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and then over a three to four day period of time. And then we received FDA clearance for this about two years ago. I have a million questions. Is it mitigating symptoms along the way? Because day two and three can be quite rough, particularly if you're not, or should they be treated alongside of that pharmaceutically? So this acts in the absence of pharmaceuticals. It is personalized for the drug.

that would be in your system when you are going into withdrawal. So the pattern of acute withdrawal for opiates is different than the pattern of acute withdrawal for, say, stimulants or sedatives. And we find that almost everybody that comes into treatment today is a polysubstance user. What we end up doing is we download a program into this, which is specifically tailored to the substances you have. And typically, we'll address the opiate symptoms first. they tend to peak around the first and second day, and frankly, if you do nothing, they'll abate by the fifth or six day.

The stimulant symptoms, they tend to show up a little later on in the second day. Sedatives depends on what you took and how long ago you took it. So we're going to personalize the treatment that you receive. We're going to try to push back on the totality of withdrawal symptoms that you have. Many of those are common, some are specific. and we're going to try to take down the overall withdrawal severity that you have. We find that the more substances you're taking, the more of a withdrawal load you would have that we would need to manage.

Can you not use pharmacists? Can it not be adjunctive? For instance, let me say why I'm asking that question. Let me ask. For instance, benzodiazepine withdrawal, seizure is exceedingly common. exceedingly common. And same with alcohol withdrawal. And sometimes it happens two weeks later.

And if you're not treating it, they will cease. And so does this reduce symptoms like that? Both benzos and alcohol, we would taper you. We'd use injunctive meds before you come in. We're not going to take that physical risk. Opies, there is no real mortality risk to you. And stimulants, there is no FDA cleared either medication or device today. And that's a place where we're looking.

Right. And is this for outpatient management or inpatient management or either? We've done this traditionally inpatient and residential facilities. We're beginning to make this available outpatient now as well. And I would say that our typical... Go ahead. Our typical duration of treatment is about three and a half days. It's a fat tail. Most folks are done in two to three.

the thing about this that may be very surprising, our indication is for managing withdrawal from opiates. The more curious effect is coming out of our randomized control trial. We found that folks that were treated for more than a day, if you go out to 12 weeks, their last month, they are significantly less likely to be using either opiates or stimulants or medication, frankly. And in fact, the abstinence rates are significantly higher. than folks that were not treated for a day or who were a sham. And then of late, we have worked on a three-year study where we're finding that the relative

levels of abstinence are maintained. So you ask what the mechanism is. I think to some degree, we have hypotheses, but we don't know exactly. We appear to be driving synchronization of systems. They might be cortical. They might be deeper. There's some evidence that we're directly influencing the nucleus accumbens. and the ventral tegmental area, certainly we measure impacts to anahedonia, to depression,

to anxiety, so that would lead us to that kind of conclusion. But we're trying to drive this with some good science. So we've published a couple of papers from a randomized control trial. We are putting together a controlled trial right now that is nationwide, about 600 people, and it's looking to address long-term treatment of substance use disorder, not the management of withdrawal. Yeah, I'm going to make a prediction. That's where you're going to have significant effect. Because let me tell you, let me turn over all my cards. I'm always amazed at people that focus on withdrawal. I treated 10,000 drug addicts. I ran a huge program in a psychiatric hospital and hear words that never, ever, ever came out of my mouth. How am I going to deal with the withdrawal of these patients?

You can't get them through. No problem. We got them through. No problem. We do exactly what we were doing. We have lots of things at our disposal. It's easy. Everyone's done in five days.

Two weeks if you're a benzodia user, maybe alcohol, but we got you the whole time. No problem. You're quite comfortable. But in terms of affecting sustained recovery, well, now you got, now I'm in. I'm like, okay, I want to hear about this. Given that you don't have a specific mechanism of action, though you did say it probably affect, you know, the new, for the people who don't know, the nucleus accumbens, the ventral tech mental area is the, is the final common pathway of addiction.

It's where it occurs. And it's where all the motivational distortions develop. Why, given you don't have a mechanism of action in mind, how did you figure this thing out? I wouldn't say we don't have one in mind. I would say that we haven't yet established good biomarkers that would let us prove that. Okay. What we do prove today, though, is outcomes. So if we were looking at thinking.

that we believe that we can modulate. We've done animal studies and we have indirect data that suggest we are in fact modulating dopaminergic action, serotonergic action, GABA ergic action. Yeah. Whether the vagus nerve is involved in here or not

is a hypothesis, but I'm going to right for sure. I'm going to tell you the vaguest liver stimulation. It's not correlated with long-term change in behavior. And what we see

to be seen. It's astonishing. Yeah. I need to be careful here. It is associated. I'm going to tell you, it is associated with emotional regulation. And one of the big challenges in early recovery is there's dysregulated and some of it is the biological state they're in. Some of it is the desperation they feel to go use.

But if you can help them regulate and the Vegas is a primary mechanism for that, I'm going to say, and I'm going to ask this question too, I'm going to bet it has. an effect on mood. So tell me about that. Our biggest surprise coming out of our three-year study, and this is the thing that we're getting ready to publish now. Our biggest surprise is we tested people for depression and anxiety. And we did it with an instrument called the Das 21. It looks at depression, anxiety, and stress. We measured it when people arrived. When they came into our study, they were all severe levels of all three, depression, anxiety, stress. When they came out 12 weeks later, substantial

reduction. The real surprise is when we went out to three years, there were still significant differences between people who had been treated for more than a day in depression and anxiety and stress, all three. And the level of depression was effectively zero on the dash 21 scale. The level of anxiety effectively zero. Stress was low minor. The crazy thing here is it appears that this renormalization might be durable. And so now we're doing research to figure out what's the mechanism? Yeah. Yeah, I am not surprised, but I'm surprised by the magnitude.

And so you're going to have to reproduce all that to see if that's real and then compare it to people that are treated more traditionally and are not treated at all and that kind of stuff, which will be very, very, very, very interesting. And I love that you went that far out because the biggest problem with addiction research is the longest time horizon. Typically, they use time horizons of two weeks, four weeks. The longest you ever see is six months. Three years, good for you guys. That's wonderful. Because you haven't done anything if you haven't gotten to that second or third year oftentimes. It was very exciting.

There's a lot more here than your headline suggests a lot more here. And I know that's because you can't make all these claims just yet, but it's still suggestive of something very powerful and very important and very intriguing. So where should people go if they're interested? Are we at that stage yet? Or if they want to read more about it? What's the sort of recommendation? So we're young as a company. We're just beginning to scale.

You can go to our website, netrecovery.net. Netrecovery. And there's a place you can click. and if you're interested in treatment, you can reach out to us and we'll see if we can accommodate you. Our intent is over the next 12 months or so to begin scaling out nationwide, but we're just starting. Last question. Any side effects? We had one headache out of 108 people that was reported in our 510K clearance document. That was it.

Listen, appreciate you being here. Do you want people to follow you particularly as well? I think if you go to our website or our Instagram page, you're much more likely to be satisfied. I'm not very good at this. I'm an engineer, after all, so sorry. You did good today. You did great today, and it's very exciting. So thank you, Joe.

I appreciate to bring that product here. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. You got it. I have a call who wants to talk a little bit about the wildfire, so I'm going to get Janice up here to speak her mind. Janice, what's going on? Well, I'm actually a car fire survivor from 2018 up in far North County. And I know what happened there.

That fire could have been out in an hour. There was a cow fire equipment truck driving by with a low boy and a dozer. But Forest Service refused to let him unload that dozer until he got clearance because it was considered a wilderness area. That fire went on for weeks. It could have been out very specific. Janice, that, that, I'm sure there are people going, huh, what? That makes perfect sense to me because that's the kind of crap the fire department is up

against because they can't touch this tree. They can't touch this brush. They can't make a fire break here. Exactly. They can't fight fires. They can't fight fires. And I feel terrible for, of course, anyone that was affected by that fire, but I feel terrible for those firefighters. It's ridiculous.

And he was at least smart enough. The guy went back up to the station to make a phone call so they was in a dead zone. And luckily, the Cal Fire guy did unchain and unload the dozer and had it ready by the time. If you left his partner there to make sure he didn't do anything with it. But the fire had gotten way out of control by the time he got back and said, yeah, you can run the dozer through there. you. You make me think of another thing that we did not bring up, and I wish I'd brought up with Steve Cortez, which is that these fire gangs that fight the fires are unbelievable. They are heroes top to bottom, and they are in danger. And we are putting them in danger, in addition

of putting other, you know, the homeowners in danger and the CO2 in the environment. And it's just, and the animals that they're so worried about, they're all burned up. You know, they don't, there's those field mouse, those field mice that couldn't get across. the fire breaks, they're gone. It's it. You know, so what are we doing? It's just so misplaced. What's that? And the northern spotted owl

from that area. Handicap gone. Janice, I appreciate it. Thanks for calling. Thank you. You got it. You bet. All right. So we're going to, bye-bye, Janice. Move on to talk about what's coming

But let me just make sure there. My system is chugging along. Who's coming up, Caleb? Let's get to the upcoming guest list here and see if I can view that with you all. So that is one of these is being rescheduled. I think Mike Catherwood is being rescheduled on the 29th. But that came in right as we were starting the show. Yes.

And the reason that is is because tell them. You raised this issue because of the Maha meeting today. Yes. So we had a Senator Rand Paul on the Maha media. a hub today and he's all fired up for Fauci's testimony that Fauci's going to give. I believe it's one week from today

is what it said on the website. So we want to do coverage of that after it happens. And we're going to bring one of our firebrands in here, bring in Kelly or McCullough or somebody that maybe Tom Brands may bring it back to talk about it. He could be interesting. He'll be in here on the 28th. The other reason is because when we have Mike Catherwood on the show,

I want to put Mike Catherwood in the thumbnail. And I can't put him and Dr. Fauci in the thumbnail of the video. You can have both of them. I need to dedicate one to Mike so we can get all the lady viewers over. Oh, okay, okay.

So Mike is my other long-term co-host on Loveline. Recovering guy. Recovery guy, long-term recovering guy. Great stories about recovery. Also a fitness expert. He knows a lot about health and wellness. And it'd be great to see him. Cat Timp coming up on the third.

She'll be in person, right? Yes. Yep. Darren Prince in person? No. Okay. Emily Kaplan from Broken Science. That should be good.

She published a new article today that I was studying, and I want to get deeper into that. So good, good. Great guest, Andrew Yang. Come on, dude, you got to get here. The show's on tonight. Oh, the new one. Yeah. The nation's dumbest.

Those of you in the east, it's on in an hour. Not Fox News. Fox 11. Yeah, Fox 11. Well, Fox 11 here in Los Angeles. Fox Network. Fox Network. Not Fox News, Fox Network.

Simpsons. Where you watch the Simpsons? That's where you watch the show. The Mouse Singer, that channel. That singer. And if you miss it, it's on Hulu the next day. So check out. It's a lot of fun.

There's to be eventful things with myself in this particular episode. So I felt like I made it through the last one, semi-unscathed. but this one stuff stuff happens so so so take a watch and uh we'll talk about it again tomorrow at two o'clock when we return see that time ask dr drew is produced by caleb nation and susan pinsky emily barsh is our content producer as a reminder the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care diagnosis or treatment this show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your personal doctor and I am not practicing medicine here. Always remember that our understanding of medicine and science is constantly

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