Ask Dr. Drew - FLU A: Even Dr. Drew Got Wrecked By H3N2 Super Flu Attacking The USA, Naomi Wolf Shares At-Home Remedies She Used To Recover w/ Autumn Smith & Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 581

Episode Date: January 31, 2026

It’s being calling “Flu A” – 2026’s devastatingly aggressive H3N2 influenza that’s so vicious, even Dr. Drew was coughing and sneezing for weeks. Countless people have posted about their symptoms of this “super flu” – including Naomi Wolf, who says it’s “weird” and “unnatural” and “like a time-released illness.” “A pounding headache that made every vein on my skull feel like a little river of throbbing molten lead,” writes Naomi. “Abundant sniffles… a regular whistling sound emerging, every time I exhaled…” Why is this year’s “Influenza A” AKA H3N2 so miserable? And are there medications or remedies already in your home that could help? Naomi Wolf shares the steps she used to rid her body of Flu A symptoms, when you should seek help from a hospital, and how she finally recovered at home. Naomi Wolf Ph.D. is an independent journalist, co-founder and CEO of DailyClout.io, and co-editor of The Pfizer Papers with Amy Kelly. She is also the author of Facing the Beast: Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age and War Room/DailyClout Pfizer Documents Analysis Volunteers’ Reports eBook. Follow at https://x.com/naomirwolf Autumn Smith is the co-founder of Paleovalley, a company focused on nutrient-dense foods. She advocates for rethinking meat consumption and promotes the benefits of bone broth and tallow through Paleovalley’s offerings. More at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson is Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Seraphina Therapeutics. She is a veterinary epidemiologist and author of “The Longevity Nutrient”. Her background includes DARPA, the U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, and research on nutritional C15:0 deficiencies. Learn more at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Naomi Wolf, back to give us a little update. We're going to talk to influenza A, the H3N2 we talked about with Peter McCullough has been around quite fiercely. She, of course, is the co-founder and CEO of Daily Clout.io, the co-editor of the Pfizer Papers, and the author of Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith, and Resistance in the New Dark Age. Then we'll be visited by Dr. Stephanie Van Watson. We're going to talk a little odd chain fatty ass at C-15, maybe a little dolphin research dropped in there as well. And then finally, Autumn Smith comes in, co-founder of Paleo Valley.

She's going to talk about the, amongst other things, the reversal of the food pyramid. It's a lot to get into. Naomi is one of our favorite guests, and I know one of yours, and she'll be with me right after this. Our laws, as it pertain to substances, are draconian and bizarre.

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And don't forget the Pfizer papers and Facing the Beast. Naomi, welcome back. Thanks so much for having me, Dr. Drew. This is one of my favorite podcasts ever to be on always. Well, we like having you. That's for sure. And I apologize for dragging your husband into this after a little while we're going to, and Susan was like, I got to hear about Cuba.

So we'll see what your husband is thinking these days. But I, but we, I don't know, I hope people, I wish I'm, wish everybody would watch the little run up to the show. Caleb throws in these little clips from past episodes. And one of this, the things that came out in this, the series of episodes that you had appeared on that we just strung together was me apologizing to you. And I'm, and I, And I meant that apology, but I want to refine it because I'm not sure I expressed my apology for being so effing sexist. It is so sexist as a male physician to go, eh, women's menstrual cycle. Well, you know, come on now. That is like, after I apologize to you, I had to call Jenny McCarthy and get her in here and apologize to her for dismissing some of her maternal instincts.

I have to be you have to really careful and you have to correct course where appropriate. But thank you for giving me that opportunity. Well, you're welcome. At this point, I think you just enjoy apologizing because you have very, very clearly, you know, corrected the record. You have been accountable. You are fully exonerated. You know, you had me at, I'm sorry, the first time. So I will continue to forgive you.

It's not meant to put you in any kind of uncomfortable situation. It's, I really want to get good at apologizing. So thank you for that opportunity. But let's, amongst other things I want to get into is, and one of the things that that little run up made me think is that you point out how you've been always interested in protecting women and women's bodies and women's health. And one of the one of the one of the weird thing that happened in the post-COVID world

There's a lot of what happened to fill in the blank And Naomi Wolf was one of the names that got to fill the What happened to Naomi Wolf? And I'm looking at the names of all your books And I could see how if they really didn't listen to you Or hadn't read your books, they could kind of think that. You went from the beauty myth to vagina to outrageous to end of America to the, you know, it went, the titles became more and more dire and more political,

even though it was all building on this desire to protect women. Yeah, thank you. You know, one of, I love, by the way, the way that Caleb puts together my little trajectory in recent history. And whenever I'm on your show, I always feel like, you know, if I died tomorrow, at least the Pinsky show, the Dr. Drew Show would have gotten it right, you know, for the obituary writers. I love your funeral before you die.

At least I get my celebration of life before I die. No, I appreciate it. I appreciate the big picture because, well, you know, we come from the same world, essentially. And so you know the before times, the before Naomi Wolf and the after Naomi Wolf. And you know that they're the same Naomi Wolf, essentially. But that's something that a lot of the country doesn't realize. because our country's split in half right now.

I guess I would say that my caring about women's health and women's sexual and reproductive health is part of a through line for all of my work of caring about liberty and self-determination and human rights. I mean, you have to be able to take care of yourself and your body and your children in order to have any human rights as a woman. And so I guess the earlier titles to me are very much connected to the later titles, which are more about civil rights, civil liberties, kind of politics with the capital P.

But it's all the same journey. And I guess, yeah, to be fair, I mean, who could have imagined? I mean, you know, we come from a similar heritage and time. And what happened in COVID was such a mind-blowing thing that it put a different. urgency on these issues of freedom, frankly, of all types. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, we could be theoretical about it or, you know, oh, let's be feminists.

You know, let's talk about our choice to have breast implants or our choice not to have breast implants. That was a luxury in, you know, before 2020. And in the last five years, people like you and Sue, Sue, and Dr. McCullough and, you know, maybe a hundred people in America had to face a dark night of the soul and decide, am I going to give up everything and tell the truth or keep telling the truth? And, you know, we did, and that's led us to some new conversations and some new friends and some new communities. But it has been a Roershack. It has definitely been the last five years, I don't think you can stay neutral anymore. You have to pick a, you know, you have to pick a, I don't want to say pick a side, but you have to decide, am I going to be honest or am I going to be swept away in a wave of falsehood and craven moral ambiguity.

Yeah, it's, it's, it's not even falsehood. It's, am I going to, am I going to speak up? Am I going to speak up if things don't seem right to me? You know, it's, even if you're contemplating going along with, things that end up being false. That's not the issue. The issue is people, it's time to speak up, everybody, and raise your hand and go, I'm not sure about this or a lot of things that are going on now, which you mentioned McCullough. And so he had warned us about the influenza A coming our way, which the H3N2. And it came. It came to Southern California.

And it ravaged my son's family, his one-year-old daughter, his pregnant wife, and me and Susan. and just got all of us. It didn't ravage me. Oh, yes. Well, Susan, Susan did not get it. I wore a mask, Naomi. I'm going to tell everybody. Well, I told her it would not do much.

I didn't get sick. Well, I don't think it did much. But then I had to sleep with Drew who got it. And then I'd have like, you know, put a big pillow between us. Yeah, again, not so much rest. It's some respiratory, but mostly fluids. But anyway, it's drop. Let's review the mask thing again, Naomi, you and I.

Wait, Drew, I didn't get it as fast. So hold on. So droplets is like spit. Like when you're talking and things fly out of your mouth, that's a droplet. And droplets can also, and fluids can get on your hands and then your hands can, you know, you can touch somebody else's fork that they ate with with their saliva. And then you can touch your eye or rub your nose. That's a great way to get influenza. It is not aerosolized. It's not aerosolized. Erasol was COVID. aerosol meaning a microscopic droplets that travel 30 to 60 feet. But you can touch your nose.

I'm just saying, I just want to revisit that for people. And I don't want to go through all that again. And yet people still put their masks on it. Good for them, fine, put your mask on. And Susan, I have no problem. You made your case. I picked up the baby and I fed her and I wore the mask and I acted like a chicken. And then I didn't touch my nose or my eyes and wash my hands a lot.

Right. So there you go. So anyway. So this came along. Did you get it too? Did I get it? Yes. I got flu A. I think it was flu A. I wasn't tested for it. But I haven't been sick for years ever since, you know, I became deathly afraid of doctors and hospitals because of what I learned from overseeing the Pfizer papers and turned to herbal and natural remedies to stay healthy. But I did get sick. I've been in a retreat. So it was like, kind of a petri dish. There were hundreds of people there. And I think I probably picked it up, you know, from being around so many people. But who knows? I mean, as you say, it can be a doork. It can be a fork. But I did write about it. My most recent essay because it was a horrific experience, no doubt your family and extended family also found to be true. I thought that there were some weird things about it. But I also did a deep dive into kind of marketing. marginalized or lost treatments and remedies for flu A or for influenza and the common cold that we're,

you know, supposed to not pay any attention to, but that have a lot of peer-reviewed science to back them up. It was a nightmare. It was the grossest thing for years that I've experienced. And it felt like really time released. And a lot of people said this online. I don't know how you'll feel about this, but it felt artificial to me. And I say that advisedly, I'm not making things up. I think human are very good at noticing when something's natural or artificial because that's how we've survived for millennia to notice aberrations in our environment. It felt very time released. As I mentioned, it was like, you know, 12 hours of splitting headaches and, you know, 12 hours of streaming mucus, you know, and then 12 hours of kind of aching and fever. I mean, it felt like

it didn't feel that organic. And I don't know what to make of that, except that we know that there's a lot of experimentation with making viruses more infectious. You know, who knows if it's just a bad virus that humans evolved or, you know, if it comes out of some bio lab somewhere, but whatever the source of it,

it was completely weird and awful. The thing I noticed about it, regardless of the source, here's just observed, and the same thing you're describing, which is a lot of post-broncetic bronchospasm, a lot of cough that persisted, a lot of nasal congestion that persisted, like weeks, and some neurological stuff.

Like, it was reminiscent of COVID a little bit. Yeah, like a little bit of fogginess and stuff. Not as bad as COVID, but I personally thought, oh, shoot, maybe I'm just older and these viruses do this to me now, but I don't know. No, but I get nervous about that too. Right. When you see neurologically, you mean like brain fog?

Mm-hmm. Fog. Exactly what I got. Then fatigue, brain fog and fatigue. Yeah. He's had this cough forever. Oh, I'm really sorry. I do remember only when I've had COVID, which I had once,

and only when I was in the hospital about to die of sepsis, which, you know, thank God I didn't. and this flu is the one other time, I had the feeling of, okay, it doesn't matter anymore, I'll just let go. And that is not a normal part of my. Oh, my God. No, seriously. Oh, my goodness.

Why did you call us? Well, it wasn't like I was depressed or suicidal. It's just, and that's why I feel like there was something weird about this flu. You know, it just affect, I mean, I think as Dr. Drew was saying, it affected me on a deeper level than, oh, I've got a bad flu or I've got a bad cold. It was kind of existential. We took Tamiflu, that was great. Oh, good.

The baby got to take it. My pregnant daughter-in-law finally had to break down after a couple of weeks. But it did work. The household, I was already sick with something, and the household contacts took Tamiflu and didn't really get or didn't get it bad. And the household that did get it bad, it seemed to truncate at least two of the four cases rather quickly. And one of the family members has kidney transplant and immunosuppressive and all kinds of stuff.

So it's quite different situation. It's okay. But let's talk about things that I... You know, the one thing you did do, Drew, which saved Zarina, who was not doing anything because of her pregnancy, was you got her an IV fluid. And that really... Because she lost so much fluid. You got really dehydrated in the middle of the night, had to go to the emergency room. And they couldn't find her vein.

Which was bogus. Bogus. Oh, yeah. I found a vein in 90 seconds. I'm like, don't let them tell you they can't find a vein. It's crazy. Why were they saying? I don't understand.

Why would they? Because they're incompetent. There's so much incompetence right now. You can't even imagine. It's the stuff I see, look, how about the hospitals, or at least the nurses at the hospitals that are suggesting that you go out and attack ice. You've seen these videos, attack ice with syringes, filled in some succinctal coli, perhaps. And then they're my peers refusing to treat people if they ever wore a MAGA hat. I mean, these are profound violations of bioethics.

And so, yeah, competency, bioethical violations. They are alive and well right now. Oh, it's terrifying. And the nurses who, you know, are going to let people die if they're MAGA or the nurses who are wishing poor Carolyn Levitt, you know, horrible misogynist injuries in her delivery room. It's unbelievable what's happened to nurses. I mean, it's like some sort of demonic possession, but it does kind of reinforce my determination not to put myself in their hands if I can possibly avoid it. So shall I turn to what remedies there are?

So it's very, very interesting to me. You know, I often talk, I'm not a medical doctor. I'm a doctor of English literature. And so I've read 400 years of memoirs, letters, novels in England and America. And it's very interesting as a background for looking at medical issues because you can really see what wasn't considered normal in the 19th century or the 18th century. And the reason I bring that up is it was weird to me, having read all this timeline of literature, that when people got COVID or the cold and flu, allopathic Western medicine tells them these days there's nothing we can do. you can get something over the counter from Big Pharma or if you're bad enough, come to the hospital. And, you know, as your poor daughter-in-law found, you know, we'll do what we can.

That's not, that wasn't the case in the 19th century or the 18th century or non-Western cultures. There are lots and lots and lots of time-tested, reliable treatments or cold and flu that we're encouraged to forget about so that Big Pharma can have its way with us. And I looked at some of them for my essay as I was suffering and I cured myself in 48 hours using some of these. So this is hibiscus. And sorry, let's hold that up. And it's also mixed with some pomegranate, pomegranate extract and some rosebuds. And it's a tea from a tea producer. But hibiscus is very easy to find.

It's really cheap. It's a Caribbean flower. But if you look on PubMed, because I'm a real science believer, and I believe in peer-reviewed research, you'll see dozens and dozens of studies showing the effectiveness of Hibiscus in treating viral replication specifically. And very dramatic, immediate outcomes in kind of getting better. And I don't need to bore you with long excerpts from PubMed, but here's the Journal of Veterinary Medical Science, and they found that hibiscus was dramatically effective against H5N1, and that it kept inhibited viral replication and the expression of viral antigens and genes dramatically. And the peer-reviewed articles in PubMed show that hibiscus is antiviral, anti-microbial, anti-bacterial, anti-bacterial. and immune boosting. And, you know, again, many other cultures know that. In Chinese medicine, it's used to fight colds and flu, and so on. I could mention pomegranate,

pomegranate evidence-based complementary and alternative medicine in 2013. It has an antiviral effect against influenza virus, HIV-1, and pox viruses. Influenza virus continues to be a major cause morbidity, 31,000 deaths. But researchers have found that pomegranate, Polyphenols were virucidal against influenza A virus, suppressed the replication of virus and host cells, and so on. I could go on, vitamin C, this is acorbic acid, vitamin C, and you probably know all about this because this was very famous in the 70s and 80s. But again, it's kind of been erased from memory.

Vitamin C cut, megadosis vitamin C. I went to high school with Linus, I went to high school with Linus Paul grandchildren. Really? So I heard a lot about it in those days. Right across street from Caltechs, we had all these kids and children or grandchildren of Caltech professors, but Linus Paulings, grandkids were in there too. How interesting.

Well, you know, when I was growing up in the 70s and into the 80s, everyone knew about megadose vitamin C, but again, that's been kind of memory holds in the mainstream discussions about what do you do with colder flu. in this peer-reviewed article, vitamin C and megadoses relieved and prevented symptoms in the test population compared with the control group

and it reduced cold and flu symptoms in the test group by 85% Dr. Drew, I mean, is there dramatic outcomes, black current, I don't need to exhaust you with this, but this very unsexy thing

with me, the sinew, excuse me, sine you gator, which is one of the worst brand names ever. But adorable Dr. Meta is promoting it and it's a version of Ayurvedic medicine. You rinse out your sinuses

with saline solution and that echoes with Dr. McCulles. That is a big, that's I use that a lot. It's also prevents infection. These viruses they take hold in the nasal cavity. That's where they start and you can actually dislodge them with two or three time

a day nasal lavage. The wellness company has a product just designed for that. and McCullough put together. Shoot, I lost my train. I thought there was something else you were. Oh, and the vaccine does not really do much for what we're dealing with here. It really, as usual, it's a guest, and it did not pick up an H3N2. And, you know, what I find almost comical is the vaccine world, which I'm the part of, goes,

well, it makes less severe illness. Less severe illness. Does that sound familiar? Less hospitalization, less severe illness. And no evidence. No evidence. We don't know that to be true. Listen, let me take a little break here.

And we'll talk a little more about. Caleb, what did you want to put in there about the cold and flu? I can no longer read. It was part of Naomi's article was I went down a rabbit hole from links that she had posted. And it said that the cold and flu drugs market is predicted to hit $40 billion by 2032. So there's a lot of motivation for people to not look at these remnants of. that Naomi used to get better. Yeah, absolutely.

We'll talk a little bit more about that. Yep. And I want to get your husband in here to give, to be able to answer Susan's questions about. You know what? This is all very informative because everybody's sick. It's ridiculous. And when you get really sick, somebody else to take care of you.

And it's like, okay, what do I do next? And then trying to get a hold of a doctor. And also, guess what? The contagion kid at the wellness company. has all this stuff in there, but it's very difficult if you don't have good medical system. And if you do have good remedies at home, then if you have to use it. If you're a young, healthy person, you really should need to take. You know, your father-in-law, my dad just hammered me with this.

He was an old family practitioner. He's like, medicines are only when they're absolutely necessary, when the risk reward is clear. And there's no down, you know, the downside is worth because the upside is substantial. and not treating as dangerous. Yeah, then you treat. Yeah, but then we saw Zarina, who was pregnant. She had to wait two weeks, and she was the sickest of all of us. She needs something.

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author, co-author of the co-editor of the Pfizer papers, Naomi wolf.substack, Naomi Wolf on X. And we were talking about cold remedies. And, Naomi, we've got this super crazy delay right now. So people, you know, get upset if we step on each other. So apologies for that. but almost so much we can do about it. But I see, is that your lovely husband in here?

Does that, I'm seeing? It's just my lovely husband. My screen is partially blocked by, hang on. Susan's going to run over there and unblock my screen. There you are. Hey, man, how are you? I'm doing good. How are you?

Excellent. Susan is dying to talk to you. And she knew we were talking to Naomi today. Before we get to you, we go way back. Have we gotten through all? the remedies that you were using to help yourself from the inflate? Yes, and I just want to note that as soon as I started two days in,

treating myself with these remedies, the cough, which was going to my lungs, where it gets dangerous and you can actually die from pneumonia or bronchitis, of course, cleared up. And just to pick up on what Susan was saying before the break, it is so empowering to be able to take remedies that I don't think even a pregnant woman can't take without concern, we can take without concern, at least the hibiscus, black currant, and so on. One last one that I'm really captivated with. I just got it is pine cone jam, which is an Eastern European traditional remedy. And to your point about vaccines, yes, and it actually tastes delicious. These or tiny pine cones, but tons of articles in the peer-reviewed literature about how they boost

your T-cells and make vaccinations more effective in your immune response. So I thought that was really interesting that, of course, we've never heard about this. Brian just ate one. Brian just ate one. They are super tasty. So yes, now we, now we've gone through. Is it like a jelly pine cone or is it a sweet little pine cones? It's actually tiny pine cones. It's quite captivating. tiny young pine cones in a syrup and you put it on a toast with butter and it's quite delicious. It boosts your tea cells. I got it online. Can we make them a sponsor of the show?

Wouldn't that be wonderful? Where is it? It's called Mom Cooks Jam. It's made in the Ukraine, but you order it if you look it up on Amazon Mom Cooks Jam. But dramatic rising tea cell activity and dramatic rising. I know, I'm looking it up right now. I'm getting something. Oh, there it is.

There it is. There it is. There you go. Emily, Emily Barsh, give them a call. If they sell a bunch of jam today, then we know. All right. Let's get Brian in here.

Susan, you had questions. Let's get to it. So, Brian, I've been all for Cuba being freed. And I'm wondering if, with the loss of their, Venezuelan oil and the fact that they're, you know, they just went through a hurricane and they're, you know, it's going to be very difficult for them to survive it. What do you think's going to happen?

You think that, do you know anything about what's going on as far as how we're going to, I guess, take over or they're going to be freed or do you have any kind of intel on that? Well, I don't have intel, Susan. It's good to talk to both of you again. But I do know that. we've completely isolated or cut off Cuba, not only Venezuela and oil, but we've put max pressure on Mexico, and who was their main supplier of oil before, I mean, after Venezuela. And so right now they're getting about 3,000 barrels a day from Mexico, down from 37,000 back in September. What this does is this leaves Russia, as really the only people that might be willing to supply Cuba. And they have about 15 to 20 days of oil left to run the entire country.

Why is that? I actually see a big chess game playing out here because back in 2022, it was revealed that there's not one, not two, but four signals intelligence, Chinese-operated military bases on Cuba that have been spying on America. additionally both the Russian president and the Chinese president have attended almost every single Mexican military birthday in the last 10 years. So what we've been seeing is an escalation in the buildup of foreign forces using Cuba as a staging point. So I think what's going to happen, just guessing because Trump is a dealer, he's not a crazy dictator like people like to say. he likes to make deals. I think the deal is going to be kick them out, let us in to those bases. We'll use them. And that's a good way to make sure they're not used by anyone else. And we collect the intel that's already been collected. And I think that will be the deal. And I don't see Cuba having many, many choices at this point because there's really no one left to give them oil.

We have a naval blockade. Are you just to give you some shoutouts? Are you still doing investigate everything? on Spotify. I've been very negligent, but yes, I am doing it. Okay, good. We'll look for you there. Anyplace else you want us to send people to find you? Yeah, at consumer diligence.org. I started a new thing with my friend Dallas Ludlum, where we made consumer reports on steroids, pretty much any business that is ripping off American consumers, regardless of their political affiliation, we are calling them out with big due diligence. We reveal everything we can reveal about them.

Fantastic. And I was just looking up some of your activities right now. I didn't realize there's a Brian O'Shea actor. So make sure you look up Brian O'Shea Intelligence. Yes. This is a young actor named Brian O'Shea. So when are we getting Cuba back? When is Cuba going to like fold into Florida and become? So somebody told Susan that there's a hang out to tell you what this is. Hang out, Brian. Somebody told, yeah, Paul Morrow told Susan that that, that the Cuban community is

working with the State Department and obviously what's our State Secretary? No. No. No, no, no. Rubio. Our secretary. Rubio. Secretary Rubio.

Oh, yeah. Rubio. Obviously, I got his eye on Cuban has always had that. But that there's going to be some sort of bottom up action taken that is going to surprise everybody. In other words, people who are living here are going to

somehow they either get people off Cuba or get their families going in Cuba to sort of quietly just end what's been going on there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's a great and I did see that they had big meetings

in Miami today to pressure Cuban-owned businesses to cut them off as well. I think this would be a way for Rubio to become president if he could do this. Interesting. Interesting. Rubio is definitely a power player because he went down there in September and in September up till then that's when they were getting 37,000 barrels a day. He went over to Mexico and when he left that same

day it was reported they were down to 7,000. So we're definitely kicking China and communists back from our orbit because they were slowly surrounding us if you look at all the places the Belt and Road is and where they have military bases. So strategically this is a good thing. I do feel like Cubans. Think about the cars that they drive in Cuba. They're all from the 50s. They're gas guzzlers. There's no movement.

They're old buses. Their transportation is all very archaic. So they need a lot more oil. And plus they need heat, you know. So not as much as we do. But, uh-oh. Caleb. Oh, do I need energy.

Can I say one more thing, Dr. What did I do, Trilb? Yes, go ahead. And we'll wrap this up. And I think what we're going to see is the historic first time that the left-wing activists are split because you have no more oil is going to be at odds with the same people that I guarantee will be out in the street saying let Mexico send oil to Cuba, you know, the same activists we're dealing with with everything. So that should be interesting. Oh, that's that will be interesting. Yeah, it's such a wild time.

but this is just some of the movement that's going on. As long as it's not going to get all military and we're going to be fighting and blowing up little islands in the Caribbean. It seems like Trump is aversive to that, although he does flex. Speaking of bombs, Caleb's power just went out, and he's on backup. So we're still on the air. I noticed so, hey, everybody, Caleb's got backup power. All right.

Well, let me let you guys go. Keep it won't, but we do. It's always a privilege to talk to you guys. Thank you so much. As you have new stuff, please come visit our audience here. We'd love to have you. I know. Thank you for coming on. So last minute. I'm sure to, you know, give them all a shout out on Twitter.

We'll be eating pine cones in the meantime. I know. I'm going to get some of my. Thanks a lot. Baby pine cones. Thank you so much. Take care. Well, you guys. Someone has to remove us because it. Oh, yeah. Caleb. Caleb's still there.

Speaking of pine cones. and natural remedies. I'm thinking about Cuba, like how they take care of everything. Like when we went there back many, many years ago, we were taking medicine and stuff. And somebody on the island said, if somebody needs a Tylenol,

we'll find it on the island. No, they said, they were saying, oh, my grandmother, she went to the hospital, and she even got Tylenol. They needed Tylenol. They found a way to get it for her.

I was like, you know, bragging that, They could find a Tylenol for their grandmother. She literally said that. It was our guide. I know. When you had to have guides then.

They live on so little. I don't know how they're going to lift their list. Let's get Stephanie Van Watson in here. I don't take a break first. Do I? No, let's get Stephanie straight away in here. Stephanie, of course, is the veterinary epidemiologist who was looking at the Navy's fleet of dolphin and realized the dolphins were healthier with these odd chain fatty acids.

You can follow Stephanie at Faddy15, Fattie15.com, meet Faddy15, and of course, the longevity nutrient, her book where if you want to understand the fundamentals of the biology of longevity and why Fattie 15 is a good idea, but she's not denominational in that book. She talks just about the biology of longevity and where the challenges are and what we should be doing to help with that. Stephanie, welcome back. Dr. Drew, wonderful to see you. So let's focus in on the odd chain.

I don't think you and I have focused on that in here the way we probably should. C-15, pentodecinoic acid. The 15 is the odd number that represents the kind of fatty acid that is so important that we've expunged from our diet to a large extent. But I'll let you kind of take that. Right, right. That's exactly it. So, you know, we've been told for 50 years that all saturated fats are bad.

It was a big driver of movement away from whole fat dairy products, primarily, right, is that was a big driver. We said no more whole fat milk, no more butter. And as a result, that took out all types of dietary saturated fats, including what we're now understanding that there are good and bad saturated fats, the good ones being these odd chain saturated fatty acids, exactly like you just explained, Dr. Drew. It's really simple as if it has an odd number of carbons in it, like 15. C-15 is one of these really special foundational nutrients, you know, discovered and unlocked things to the dolphins. But now we know that C-15 is just as essential and foundational.

We took it out of our diet. And that, you know, appears to be driving what we're seeing as a deficiency. syndrome, the biggest efficiency syndrome of our generation. And so the syndrome, one of the sort of targets of all this is to prevent ferroposis, right? I always try to think of creative ways to...

How is what that is? Yeah, which you will, don't worry. But I always try to think of creative ways to communicate to people, you know, what oxy. If you don't know redox chemistry, it's sort of hard to talk about oxidative mechanisms in biochemistry.

It's a certain thing. But it is part of aging. And one of the places it does its thing is on the cell membrane. So I'll let you explain it to Susan, who does not have a biological background. She's pretty smart. She's smart. She's smart, but she doesn't know biology. I don't want to cut up the frogs in biology in high school.

So I never took. So yeah, for Roptosis, it sounds like a dinosaur. But it's not. So it ends up, it's this entirely new way that our cells are dying. When we went to cell biology class, for those of us who did that, we learned that there were three ways, really only three ways that our cells could die. And now this group at Columbia University back in 2012 discovered a fourth way that our cells were dying.

They called it for uptosis. And Dr. Jury, the best way I would explain it is, like you said, that involves this oxidation of lipids. It's like, you know, if you have oil and it sits out in the air, it goes bad, and we call it rancidity. So it's basically our cells become the fats in our cell membrane becomes susceptible to going rancid from lipid proxidation, aka rancidity. When that happens, it then combines with a strange iron that's showing up in the cell.

They combine together and they create all these reactive oxygen species that, take out our mitochondria and kill the cell. It's a very unique way our cells die. Why we care about it is today there are over 20,000 papers, peer-of-need papers on ferreptosis showing that it creates this systemic explosion of reactive oxygen species of iron overload. So bad iron starts seeding itself in our brain, our heart, our liver, and our lungs, our pancreas.

And while all of this has been really well described, but what nobody could understand is where did this form of cell death come from, that's where we were finding at the same time this was happening in humans. We were seeing it happening in Navy dolphins in a very clean way. And that's where we discovered that as their C-15 levels went down in their diet because of a specific type of fish that got fished out, C-15 went out of their diet. and we learned that these C-15 deficiencies in their diet cause their cells to be fragile, resulting in all these downstream proptosis, accelerated aging, fatty liver disease, all the things that come with it. So it was a major unlock.

We're realizing we're seeing that same thing happening in people and in younger and younger ages, which is a big reason why since our primary source of C-15 is dairy fat, we're thrilled to see the new updated guidelines with regard to getting whole fat milk back into our diet. We need to get the C-15 back in and help to stabilize our cell membranes. Yeah, it's interesting. The cardiology community is very ambivalent about it.

And I talked to Dr. McCullough about that. I said, hey, look, you guys focusing on the endpoint of coronary disease is great. And particularly if somebody has coronary disease, we're saying something. in terms of all-cause mortality, fatty liver disease, neurological health, all these other things, we got to take that stuff into account too. And so, Susan, I want to zero in, make sure you understood this. Are you hearing me? Yeah.

Yeah. So do you know what a mitochondria is? Yeah, sort of. So mitochondria is sort of the energy is where all the ATP is made, all the energy is made in the cell. And the primary ferroposis was happening in the membrane of the mitochondria, right? Is that true? That's right. Both the membranes of the cells.

And in the mitochondria, yes. Okay, both. So both. And the cell membranes is this lipid by lipid layer, and the oxygen kind of gets in there and makes it stale, as you were saying. And reactive oxygen species is essentially ozone or that kind of thing. It's a highly polar oxygen molecule that can tear through cells. Does that make sense? Yeah.

It's a particular, you know, I was preparing a little talk to some late people about biology. thought, God, we don't have a language for biology that is accurate. You know what I mean? We talk in cartoon language about biology, and there should be an intermediate place. And that's where I'm trying to get this conversation. And I tell you something, you did it in the longevity nutrient, but in the book, but people have to spend the time and read and get through it, but it's quite digestible. And I'm trying to find a shorthand.

I think we're getting there today. But when you say reactive oxygen species, people like, you know, they don't have an understanding of the organic chemistry of oxygen, O2 and O3 and OH minus. And these things are flying around and they affect what goes on in our cells. I guess that's the bottom line. Yeah. Our cells become fragile. They fall apart. We age faster.

So, you know, now we have ability to help, you know, fix this. It's the whole, you know, when we took whole fat dairy out of our diets, the whole reason for that change back in 1977 was because there was an increase in heart disease, but there was also a high prevalence of diabetes and obesity. So they thought, well, gosh, if we can make this fix, we can take, right, we take these fats out, we're going to be, we're going to be better. And instead, what happened? So we now have, you know, 50% of people have pre-diabetes or diabetes today. Obesity is the same thing. It's gotten worse, not better. We did a fun analysis, Dr. Drew, where we took. So there are all these meta-analysis, like studies of studies, looking at tens of thousands,

hundreds of thousands of people throughout the world over a decade or more, and showing that the higher their C-15, the lower their risk of developing type 2 diabetes and heart disease. We used Edison AI. So we brought data from maybe up to 50 years ago to technology today. And we had it churn all these data to say, hey, is there actually evidence not just association but causation? And it in fact showed that using all these very specific criteria that stronger than omega-3, is stronger than other nutrients, that C-15 was the strongest. had the stress link of causing protected metabolic and cardiovascular health.

So just really, we can't ignore the data that are out there. Not yet. You're the first. You're the first to hear it. Yeah, because I'm like blown away. I'm like, oh, my God, this is a wonderful application of everybody. Big data is the future. Big data and AI working with big data.

And this is a great application of it. Oh, my goodness. That is a very exciting. Well, have you written the study? Is it going to be published? Is it? This needs to be the clip, Caleb. I know.

So it's written. It's, yeah, the analysis is done. We've written an early draft of it. What's nice is, again, it's so, the technology is there. You still have to be careful because you still have, it's almost like a kindergartner who has the brain of a genius scientist, the AI. So you still have to trade it and make sure it behaves. caves, but once you kind of get it, you know, in the right place, amazing. Like, this is just,

it was able to do the work that would have taken us six months. We were able to do within, you know, 24, 48 hours and able to bring in all these data to, you know, to be able to really have remarkable findings using the same approaches they used to show that, you know, smoking causes lung cancer. They didn't do clinical trials to figure that out. They used, they combined powerful data that then was able to say it's not just associated, it causes these things. So we just, there's just common sense that's coming into play with the science and, you know, the dolphins help to show it, but it is crystal clear in the human data now too.

Yeah. So it's why I make everybody around here take fatty 15th, where we're still behind you guys. The data is, it's in a small teeny little pill too. I want to take two. They're so small. Well, you can.

That's coming, I think. Get the big data on that because that's what I, I want to see. Tell Stephanie about how I didn't take, I got lazy and just took my money. She missed it while we were traveling. And she goes, my knees were starting to hurt again. I go, well, I literally got all swelled up. There was a lot of, by says a lot else going on, but restarted.

I did. And then we'll do a sort of coaxed postulates and Gary see how worse. It was fine the next day. She got better right away. It was so crazy. I took off for like three days now. I just was lazy. I don't want to open up the box with my supplements in it.

It just took my regular medication. And I was like, God, my knees bite. and I'm going to take it. So it did work. I'm fine today. But applications of big data and AI are sort of headline-worthy medical science. And so I'm so glad you brought this to us today. I didn't know you were going to know you had done this.

I heard you mentioned it sort of the other time we were together. But the fact that this is done and it's so clear, that's amazing. Amazing. And congratulations. Well, listen, we'll look for you when that publishes. come back and let's present it, right? You know, in the meantime, people should read the longevity nutrient and get your fatty 15. I have a question.

Okay. When you're talking about mitochondria, do you use red light therapy on your face? Who? Stephanie. She has absolutely been skin and teeth. Oh, Susie, yeah, I don't. I, you know, there's really interesting, compelling science around that. But I, yeah, I actually used to have what's called atopic dermatitis.

So it's like an allergic reaction if I eat the wrong foods. And fatty 15, I have to say, has helped calm. I think it's just calming my skin down and helping it be. So, and yeah, I'll thank my dad for the genes to mom and dad for the genes. I would say the genetics, yeah. You've got those kinds of genes to fly around. Yeah, but I just wonder if it's true because they're like, if you put a red light on your skin, it'll help build the mitochondria in your skin.

It has to be a certain level of light. And I actually have this thing I bought in Vegas. I was talked into it many years ago and it's the right level. But apparently it's supposed to build it in your skin and help your, you know, collagen or whatever. It's more direct towards college, I think. Have you read anything about it? I haven't.

I'm going to have to check that out, though. I'll have to do some reading for you and give you a report. Give your report. Okay. Well, no, I just was curious. that's the only way I've ever learned about mitochondria is because I heard about this red light and so I kind of know what it is.

Interesting. I went to be to college, everybody. Okay, Stephanie, Vin Watson, we appreciate you being your CEO, co-founder of seraphena therapeutics, as I said, veterinary epidemiologist, author of the longevity, nutrient fatty 15. Dr.ru.com slash fatty 15,

X fatty 15, meet fatty 15 on X. And Stephanie, we'll see you again very soon. Dr. Drew, always a pleasure. Were you too, Susan? Great to see you. Bye. Thank you. Yeah. They're so sweet.

She and her family are so sweet. We had dinner with them in New York. And all three of them are so cute. Suck out. He's an orthopedic surgeon. She's a veterinary epidemiologist. They both were from the Navy. And we had something going at like 6th the morning, you know, New York time.

She goes, we're from the military. We will not be late. They were on time. They were there. Okay, Autumn joins us now. Autumn Smith, you can follow in Autumn with us at Doctor.com slash Paleo Valley. Also, Pahlia Valley on X. Instagram is Pahlio Valley at Pahlia Valley.

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She is the inspiration and the brains behind so much of what makes Paleo Valley quality, frankly. So Autumn, thank you and welcome back. Thanks for having me, Dr. Drew. It's always so fun to see you and Susan. It's good to see you as well. So what did you think about the inversion of the food pyramid? South Park had it right like eight years ago. Cartman himself said the pyramid's upside down.

It's upside down. He was right. Yes, I'm so excited, as you probably are too, because you see like animal products prominently displayed next to vegetables and we know meat is a healing food and prioritization of protein and the minimization of ultra-processed foods and added sugar and just kind of like whole nutrient-dense foods as a centerpiece. I'm a happy girl. And like you said, whole fat dairy, wonderful. Because again, C-15 and so many other important fats have kind of been pushed a centerpiece. I'm a happy girl. And like you said, whole fat dairy, wonderful. Because again, C-15 and so many other important fats have kind of been pushed a side. And I think that could be one of the contributing factors to our escalating rates of obesity and chronic disease. So I'm very excited. And fermented foods. Fremented foods are mentioned too. So lots of good stuff. Talk about why that's important for paleovali. Well, A, we make a fermented meat stick, which is very different than other meat sticks on the market. And B, fermented foods have been used for, they're so old, like age old. And what happens is they

produce probiotics. They contain probiotics. And there's a really cool study recently. Justin Sondingberg's team did this, where they worked people up to six servings of fermented foods daily. And they pitted it against just increasing fiber. And what they found was the fermented food diet arm was able to reduce 19 markers of inflammation. And that didn't really happen in fiber. That's interesting. It was so interesting. And it actually surprised the researchers. And so I think having fermented foods, again, and microbiome health be part of the guidelines, it could really be impactful, especially because inflammation is at the root of so many chronic diseases today. So really exciting. The Europeans have known this for a long time. I mean, they, the, Susan's been pushing the check

emphasis for sauerkraut as something that's, you know, a fermented probiotic. I just bought some yesterday. Yes. I start my day with it. because not only is it going to improve the microbiome, but I also find that it takes away my sweet cravings. And if it's not for you right away, just like starting it with the first, getting it over first thing in the morning, kind of sets you on a better path, I find, for myself.

And my gut health has improved dramatically since, yeah, just the simple addition of fermented foods. And talk about the regenerative farming. I don't know that we've emphasized that enough. And, you know, how you select that, how do people know what they're supporting when they buy the products? because it really, you have told me about it many times, but we haven't emphasized it, so I'd like to do so.

Yeah. So when you go to the grocery store, 90% of the animal products you're going to buy are from factory farms. And we obviously know factory farms work against nature. They work against animal health and in many ways against human health. But regenerative farms are the antithesis, right? Regenerative farms work on taking the landscape or the ecosystem from a degraded state, which most ecosystems are the environment. right now needs a lot of rehabilitation and we have lower nutrient levels in our soil than ever before.

And so what regenerative agriculture does is take that plot of land and regenerate it in ways that you can actually measure. So it's improving soil health. It's restoring water cycles. It's also using animals in highly managed ways to stimulate grass growth. When you stimulate grass growth, the the grass actually acts like a straw and sucks carbon underground. So it also leads to better animals. health. And in our research with Dr. Van Vleet at his Utah State University, we found that animal products from regenerative systems have nutritional benefits above and beyond other types of animal products. So we have to remember that we are part of nature, right? We can't destroy nature and expect that our food and that our humans will stay healthy. And so regenerative agriculture at its heart is just

realigning us with that truth that in order for us to be able to. be healthy. We have to also pay attention to what we're doing to our environment. And return to agriculture is just the way that we support that effort. A lot of people are passionate about that. I'm wondering, I mean, I'm kind of putting you on the spot here, but I'm wondering if there's a way to bring that story home to Paleo Valley consumers. In other words, like, is there a way, did you tell stories about the particular farms or where they can go to learn about who the people are you select to do this? Yeah, absolutely. So what we did is when we were making our meat sticks, we started meeting farmers and ranchers who were telling us about, oh, there's beyond, you know, grass fed. There's beyond organic, and that's regenerative. And so, yeah, we actually just went and visited one of our chicken farmers, and we have footage of that on our YouTube page. And we work with a lot of co-ops and people all over the country. And so there are stories, even in our rethink meat series.

How do you select them? How do you find them? How does Pia Valley decide who to go with? Because I think we need to, I don't know, this story needs to be told more vividly because it's a really important part of what you're doing. Yes. So our family, we're from Montana and my brother-in-law was a generational farmer, a rancher. And so what we do is we have, he's connected already to a lot of ranchers and farmers.

We go to conferences. And then when we find people, a lot of people reach out to us now because we've gotten big enough. And so he goes out with my husband and sometimes me and our son and we check out what they're doing. And we have an affidavit, you know, we need rotational grazing. We need no pesticides, herbicides. You know, we have general requirements that we make sure the animals are healthy, not receiving antibiotics or hormones, and also being used in a way that is creating ecological health. But yeah, we visit the farms and ranch.

We have strict criteria and a lot of times people are reaching out to us. Because like you said, these regenerative farmers and ranchers, they are passionate. They're like little scientists. And they're excited. And we went into this because they didn't know how they wanted to do what they were doing and they didn't know how to create a market. And so we decided, hey, let us help you find the people who would appreciate these products. And then you can go ahead doing your important work of ranching regeneratively.

So that's kind of how we got involved. But yeah, we're from Montana. my family business and so we've kind of been around ranchers for for our entire lives and Caleb I wonder if there was a way we can put on our link some of those stories up because I just got a feeling that people would really be enthused to hear this and and why don't you also Stephanie I always make you do Stephanie Autumn I always make you do this which is tell your story at least abbreviated I know I've had you say it at least three times but you were struggling and you found your weight of this kind of food.

Yeah, yeah. I had irritable bowel syndrome and mental health issues my whole life. And well, since I was about 10. And it wasn't until I was in my early 20s and I met my husband. And we were desperate and he said, let's try changing our diet. Because back in 2005, he found a few people were noticing the link between how you eat and your gut health. And I did. And it changed my entire life.

You know, immediately bloating went down in two weeks. and then over the course of a month, my digestive issues were basically gone. And then over the course of a year, my mental health was so transformed that I realized, wow, food was central to my healing. I need to go back and figure out why. And so I went to school, eventually got my doctorate, and then started creating products that helped make this realistic. Because right now, 60% of what we're consuming are ultra-processed foods,

which is not doing our health any favor. So how do we have convenient options that also support health? That's why we created the company. And those of you, if for any reason you have resistance to the animal products, get the superfood bars. I swear to God, those things, that is the best snack food on earth. I was late to the game on the superfood bar, but they are just, they are, I'm a bone broth advocate. And the bone broth is at the core, but you have cashew, you have blueberry, you have all these other super nutrient dense snack, essentially what it is.

Yeah. And we're not all about, I mean, you know, animal products. are central, especially with those that are from regenerative farms, but we have tons of products like our golden milk, our electrolytes, our apple cider vinegar complex, our greens powder. These are also very compatible with vegetarian and vegan diets. We should, Susan, get more into educating our audience about those products. We talked a little bit about the coffee.

We use the tallow, but we've not been emphasizing some of these other things. So we should be talking about that as well. well listen it's always great to talk to you and and the government at least the should we call it the scientific community or the official i don't know the stamp of approval of what the science has been showing for quite some time is now catching up with the government with the bureaucracies and it's nice to see it even though as we said south park had figured out almost a decade before maybe it was even a decade before but we knew it and it's nice to have some validation. I was saying to a cardiologist, I don't know if you hear me say this, that they still are uncomfortable with the animal fats, the animal products,

and we need to get them, I don't know, more data needs to come in to help them feel comfortable about over. It's one thing to sell somebody who has a significant coronary disease as part of their plan. Maybe you want to cut these things out. Okay. But in terms of a young healthy person, their overall diet plan should, in my opinion, include animal products. Yeah. And in 2020, the American College of Cardiology actually came out with a statement that saturated fatty acid rich foods in a whole food matrix like beef and chocolate. They're not the same. They're not as detrimental.

And so like you said, dietary context, if you're eating steak with broccoli and whole foods, that's very different than extracted saturated fats or the pizza. and the tacos, which is where most of the saturated fatty acids are coming from in the American diet. So I couldn't agree more. Great point. Great point. All right. Well, we will go to Paleo Valley for keep looking at your products and keep eating them. Thank you so much, on them. Thank you, Dr. Drew. Always a pleasure. You got it. pleasure is ours. Again, we have discounts there at Dr.com slash Paleo Valley. And let's talk about what's coming up. What is this, Caleb? See, I can't read the bottom

of the thing anymore if you put more than about two words down there because we have a camera now sitting in front of the screen. So, oh, your mic is disconnected from the power outage. Can you read Susan? What's he put this? Put, let's going to have to re-configure all the information on there. When people should go to a hospital with the influenza A? Yeah, when you have influenza A, when should you go to the hospital or the emergency, not the emergency. them, urgent care. Yes, thanks. I see it.

Susan, what? Not say that again now? Not the hospital, but urgent care? I don't think anybody should go to the hospital. Look, you go to hospitals, you go to emergency rooms when you have shortness of breath, altered sensorium, confusion, your brain is work, right? Like when I had a heat stroke. and chest pain or other pains that seem completely out of the ordinary,

but chest pain being the most significant, sometimes blinding headaches can be important. But if something is, and I think the threshold to look at, if you become unable to function, right, you can't walk, you can't work, you can't think something is up. Now, for the most part... Not a broken arm. Right. And for the most part, young healthy people shouldn't, that's why I'm so enthusiastic about TWC.

Young healthy people should not be going to urgent care as they should not be going to emergency rooms for their medical care unless there's really something serious going on. And by the way, Susan mentioned that I got IV arranged for our pregnant daughter-in-law. You get IV therapy in your home for nominal fees. They also provide billing forms where you can apply it to your insurance if appropriate. so you can get pretty much everything done in your home kind of, I don't know what I would say on your own. It's definitely you want to consult with your physician and have some medical backup and TWC has that and hopefully you have that for yourself as well. But running to the emergency room has got to stop. We have to figure out how to educate people to not go to because when you go to the emergency room or go to urgent care, all that building with all that equipment and all those people running around.

All those viruses. All the things you're going to get exposed to, all that you are paying for when you go to the emergency room, as opposed to doing a telehealth visit, which should cost about $40, you know, as opposed to $1,200 when you walk in the door in an urgent gear, it just makes no sense. So in any event, let's talk about who's coming up, Caleb.

If you put it up there on the screen, I believe I can see that. Telehealth also answers the phone on a holiday weekend. End. She's a fleet. And this is tomorrow, right? Tomorrow 2 o'clock. This is going to be really interesting show. I'm looking forward to this.

While Alexander comes back, he was the first person to really tell me a vivid story about the operation of the deep state. Chief Van Fleet is someone who has fled the cultural revolution and sees it all happening here. And is very, very concerned about it. And Heather McDonald is a, I think she identifies as a journalist. She infiltrates.

and gets into extraordinary regions, extraordinary stories that she's able to get out by going in there and putting herself on the line. Tim Hinchcliff, Rick Jaffe, let's see, Salty Cracker, returns with Chef Krul, Peter Schweitzer, be interesting. Let's see, Luke Rudowski's coming.

We have a lot of JPCers coming back. Got a really interesting shows and guests coming up. Great names. We have to go, court a dear family member to Poland to Warsaw in about a week. We're leaving the hood on the 6th. Yeah. So there's a week there where we were talking about doing some shows.

We might do a show though. Yeah, sorry to freak you out, Caleb. If we can get Wi-Fi. We're going to bring equipment in case we can pull it off. It might just be on Drew's laptop or something. Yeah, but we'll do something from over there. And in the meantime, let me quickly. We're going to Poland and Vienna.

Warsaw and Vienna. Crazy. A little jot into the into the, Eastern block. Looking at your permaculture? I don't know what that is. We just got back from the French Virgin West Indies and it's like

we're being around people that speak other languages. You didn't like that? It was good. It was really good. I got to practice my French. It was healthy. It was good. The healthy thing to do. Take a little break.

Salty Army. I see you guys over in the Rumble Rants. Okay. We will wrap it up. We appreciate you all joining us and we'll see you. We're going to do a special show tomorrow with a lot of great at 2 o'clock, so be here with us tomorrow. Your daddy wants to know where Autumn is. She had to go. Bye.

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