Ask Dr. Drew - Food Freedom Under Attack: Robert Barnes Defends Amish Farmer Amos Miller Targeted By Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 343

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

Amish farmer Amos Miller says the Pennsylvania Dept. of Agriculture has been harassing him for years because he sells raw milk and organic dairy products. Why is the government telling farmers what they can and can’t produce? Attorney Robert Barnes is defending Miller, saying “the government was unable to produce any evidence that any person in Pennsylvania or anywhere in the world has ever been harmed by any product of Amos.” Robert Barnes is a Constitutional, criminal tax, and civil rights attorney. He cohosts the “Viva & Barnes: Law For The People” podcast with Viva Frei. Barnes Law has defended a variety of cases including Wesley Snipes’ vs. the IRS, Alex Jones’ Sandy Hook defense, and other cases involving the government and free speech. Follow Barnes at https://x.com/barnes_law and learn more at https://barneslawllp.com Support Amos Miller at https://www.givesendgo.com/supportamosmiller 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • PET CLUB 24/7 - Give your pet's body the natural support it deserves! No fillers. No GMOs. No preservatives. Made in the USA. Save 15% at https://drdrew.com/petclub247 • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

are watching you out on Restream as well as the Rumble Rants. We, of course, are also on Twitter spaces and we're welcoming Robert Barnes in today. Robert has a show with Viva Fry, one of our recurring friends and recurring guests here. Robert is a constitutional criminal tax and civil rights attorney. He co-hosts, as I said, Viva and Barnes. And also the Law for the People podcast. Oh, I'm sorry. It's Viva and Barnes Law for the People podcast with Viva. Barnes Law has defended a variety of cases, including Wesley Snipe versus the IRS, Alex Jones in the Sandy Hook case. He's got a lot of interesting insight. We are going to get into that. We're going to talk a little Biden v. Missouri. We're going to talk about a Amish farmer that's in trouble for daring to, I think, distribute unpasteurized milk.

And whose business is that? The federal government, I guess. But they seem to be in everything these days. And I want to play a tape for you from Francis Collins where he admits that public health totally screwed up during COVID after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin.

Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f*** sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying. You go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real.

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Ed Dowd with Kelly Victory in here tomorrow, so I'll be away and traveling. On April 9th, Vivek Ramaswamy, Avar Cumming, Jack Prasabic, Matthias Desmet, the sort of a guy, a mental health professional that studied mass formation. Salty Crackerback, a lot coming your way. And today is no exception. We have Robert Barnes, as I said, constitutional criminal tax and civil rights attorney. The Viva and Barnes Law for the People podcast with our friend Viva.

Please welcome Robert Barnes. Hey, Robert. Thank you for being here. Absolutely. So I got a lot I want to talk to you about. Just let me just, I'm curious about one thing. And just sort of indulge me on this. How did you and Viva get together? Viva, I was defending Alex Jones early on in some of the Sandy Hook-related libel lawsuits.

I defended his deposition, his first one. And Viva covered it, was one of the only people that could give an objective coverage because it's Alex Jones. And I reached out, said, hey, good coverage. And he said, hey, I'd like to interview you. I said, yeah, sure, I'll hop on and uh that was the beginning of a lot of uh of a long friendship that's interesting and uh do you do you are there you are are you in florida with him or are you where are you uh he was in uh kamida at the time uh i live in las Las Vegas, law practice located all over the place. I have offices in Wisconsin, Tennessee and California and sort of everywhere.

But yeah, he was there before his escape. His escape from what you call it. Commie to. That's right. Exactly. And where'd you grow up? Chattanooga, Tennessee. Families, a bunch of Rhodeers uh go go all the way

back to the beginning of the country the and uh but my father moved from there to michigan down to tennessee where i was born and born and raised so that was roger smith he was the rebel that formed rhode island right was that his name yeah oh there were several of them i mean uh we got family guzzled all the way back there was a a Barnes that was on the ship right after the Mayflower. And we were always causing trouble, you know, voted against the Constitution until it had the Bill of Rights added to it. You know, wanted to stand up against that. Rhode Island didn't originally approve the Constitution because it didn't have a Bill of Rights. Then, you know, later on, they said in the Army, we're like, OK, we'll go along for now.

But yeah, good old populist political tradition going way back. Yeah, Rhode Island's a really interesting state. It's so small, people don't realize the impact it had. The other thing they don't realize is it's a little rim of land around a giant bay. It's just this, people think of it as a

square. No, no, no, no. That's all water. There's even less land than you imagine. Oh, precisely. And so you've also piqued my curiosity about the unruly Americans over your left shoulder there. Tell me what that's all about. So it's a great book about American history, about who really helped form the Constitution. So the assumption about the Constitution is we often focus on more of the elites that were involved, those who are the federalists, the anti-federalists. We describe often our founding fathers as just a small group of people who got together in Philadelphia when they were heavily

influenced by ordinary people from all across the country who made a great impact. I mean, they would read things like Thomas Paine's Common Sense and the taverns and public houses and meeting places all across the nation that helped form the American Revolution. They helped make it possible and achievable by either joining boycotts or literally joining the Revolutionary Army or doing various campaigns with Sam Adams' Sons of Liberty and the like. And so it's a book about how all these ordinary everyday people helped really shape one of the greatest political revolutions in world history. And it's great for it. And that's why she calls it unruly Americans, because they are ordinary everyday people who refuse to just go along to

get along, who are willing to challenge established traditions that most people were unwilling to even question or contest, traditions like the right of the king to be a sovereign and being anointed by God and all the rest. And it's a reminder to everyday people today that as difficult as it may seem to achieve things, our ancestors set out to achieve something nobody thought possible, and yet they did. And do you think that spirit that of course we're not teaching anybody about how that all happened uh is caring today or is there enough of that autonomous spirit and thought to be able to pull us out of this cultural war we're in i think so i think we've seen it a lot of people woke up in the from the covid set of policies

like a lot of americans are willing to COVID set of policies. A lot of Americans are willing to go along to get along. And okay, we got to stay at home. Okay, we got to stay six feet away from our loved ones. Okay, we can't do weddings. We can't attend funerals. We can't see our loved ones in the hospital. But as it accumulated, people started waking up to saying, hold on, there's an old American spirit we need to remember here to question our so-called betters, to challenge established logic and established authorities. And I think we're seeing it reflected in the rebirth of Donald Trump's campaign against all the lawfare. We're seeing it in the recandescence of the Kennedy legacy with Robert Kennedy's presidential campaign, heavily based on what took place during the pandemic. And we're seeing it in people that are rallying to people like the Amish farmer,

Amos Miller, an ordinary person just trying to farm the same way our founding generation did, provide us good, healthy food that everybody loves, that the government is obsessed with shutting it down. And the only reason why he's still afloat and he isn't bankrupt is because ordinary people have rallied to his defense all across the America. Yeah, that's the kind of extraordinary, well, the behavior of the government, I can't get over it. When you talk about the farmer and his unpasteurized milk, I think about some of the restaurants here in Los Angeles that attempted to stay open and were literally faced with not just police action, but put up, there's now,

there's this place called Tinhorn Flats a few miles from here that literally has a fence around it. They just fenced it in because they kept trying to serve their customers outside, by the way, out of doors. And so, Susan, my wife the other day said, people still want to talk about COVID. I said, it's not COVID so much. We can't get over what

the government did. Do you agree with that, Susan? Well, they're trying to tell their stories and it's like, well, where do I tell my story? I lost a niece at 15 after she had the vaccine and nobody cares. But I see how the people are starting to wake up and realize that it was not a good idea. Well, let me, I want to play, Caleb, do you have that tape ready from Twitter? This is Francis Collins three months ago admitting things i the the other thing you mentioned robert about the sort of activity of the government at the time was you listed a bunch of things that were absolutely nonsensical and even at the time people like huh what something's fishy here what's going on okay i guess we'll go along with it but this is what why are you doing this shut up and you know and

here we come we're gonna get you That was the part that was astonishing. And now here, you take it back to the beginning. And you're trying to make a decision as a guy living inside the Beltway. Listen to this. Feeling this sense of crisis, trying to decide what to do in some situation. During COVID. Data that was incomplete. Francis Collins.

We weren't really thinking about what that would mean to Wilk and his family in Minnesota, a thousand miles away from where the virus was hitting so hard. We weren't really considering the consequences in communities that were not New York City or some other big city. The public health people, we talked about this earlier, and this is a really important point. If you're a public health person and you're trying to make a decision, you have this very narrow view of what the right decision is, and that is something that will save a life. Doesn't

matter what else happens. So you attach infinite value to stopping the disease and saving a life. You attach a zero value to whether this actually totally disrupts people's lives, ruins the economy, and has many kids kept out of school in a way that they never quite recover from. Collateral damage. So there, yeah, collateral damage. This is a public health mindset. And I think a lot of us involved in trying to make those recommendations had that mindset, and that was really unfortunate. That's another mistake we made. Okay. Oh, it's unfortunate. Oh, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate that an entire generation was sacrificed. It's unfortunate that kids are committing suicide. It's unfortunate. The death rate is now up 10 for that is this. I

listen. Thank you, Francis Colin, for being honest and stating the truth, but it's disgusting that we were all subjected. That is truly disgusting. And we have to make sure that doesn't happen again. So what do we do? Exactly. I mean, there's a bunch of cases that I filed at the time that we continue to work on and file. It exposed two things. One is we've got to make sure these emergency powers are drastically limited and restricted, never to be utilized. Robert, I'm going to interrupt you. Robert, the World Health Organization is coming in with a treaty. They want all of it. Not only do they feel this was a worthwhile exercise, they want to do it again on steroids and take over all duly elected sovereign officials.

Oh, that's a brilliant idea. You just heard how public health officials think. They're unable to make a risk-reward analysis. They shouldn't be in those jobs. Disgusting. It is truly disgusting. And I think what else it unmasked was the illusion of power that these agencies shouldn't have to begin with. There's the belief in their confidence and their capabilities.

I mean, today, for example, when you announced we were going to be on, somebody was saying, how could Dr. Drew say anything positive about unpasteurized milk? And I responded to the person. I was like, don't you know, one of the leading experts in the country testified for Amos Miller in court under penalty of perjury. Someone who's studied this for more than two decades, most of that time at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, saying that milk we've been drinking for centuries turns out has a lot of health benefits. And this was an ordinary person on social media who didn't know that, who thought the whole world knew that unpasteurized milk was scary, frightening, terrifying, was going to kill us all. And I was like, this is how COVID policy happened. A bunch of people out there just trusted that, hey, I put on a white lab coat.

We lived the Milgram experiment in live time. Somebody in a white lab coat came and told us to do something, and we just did it. Yes, we did. We did it to the detriment of our children, to our elders, to our communities, to our neighbors. Put up some pictures. Yep. Wait until you see pictures of the Milgram experiment.

It's pretty impressive what it looks like when they've taken stills of it, this Yale study. Yeah, you are absolutely right. It's the Milgram it looks like, what they've taken stills of it, this Yale study. Yeah, you are absolutely right. It's the Milgram experiment in real time. And if you want to know how freaking incompetent bureaucracies are, just put up the food pyramid. Go ahead. Put up the old food pyramid. Put up the new food pyramid, which I believe includes Froot Loops.

It is just beyond comprehension what goes on and and that we go for it so you know i i had had it been pre-covid and you came in and started defending unpasteurized milk i would have been like robert come on now we got to be careful brucella i've seen some brucella you've never seen it max you've never seen tularemia it's pretty nasty um now my position is people want to take that risk just as long as they understand the risk have added everybody. And the government has no business, no business telling people how to live their life. Exactly. I mean, our food models, all of our law models were based on informed consent of the consumer supposed to be the same with medicine. And so I, it's supposed to be

exactly. It's, it's that if I'm going to the grocery store and I see a label, a label, I can know that it's an accurate label, that it's not a misleading label. Back in the 1900s, you could open up a can of kidney beans and inside was like corn. All kinds of crazy things were happening as food started getting commercialized, industrialized, and I no longer had access to my local farmer. Maybe I was a migrant from another part of the world that came here, or I was a rural person moving to a big city. And it was all supposed to be about us, empowering us, entrusting us, giving us accurate information. All of Pennsylvania's food laws are similarly designed.

And so here you have someone like Amos Miller, Amish farmer, fifth generation. I mean, he's farming the exact same way his father, his grandfather, his great-grandfather, his great grandfather, his great great grandfather did. Some of the most beautiful agricultural landscape you'll ever see in the world. Gorgeous farm, tries to get the best sourced materials. You know, he's got Jersey cows, he's got water buffalo, all those kinds of things right there on the farm. His family is the one that runs the farm in the same ways and he tries to make sure it's as good as possible for people and because he he feeds his own family with it and yet the government's coming in and saying well you actually you can't distribute anything to anybody even if they want it even if they need it even if they demand it unless we the government you know i call the

secretary of agriculture reading pope ready unless he bless your food, you're not allowed to eat it. And unless his permits control the process, you're not allowed to distribute anything. And then they've designed the permit process to be a prohibition process. Like in Pennsylvania, if you want to make raw milk, well, you have to agree you will never make 90% of raw milk products. You're only allowed to make fluid raw milk and this kind of hard cheese, and that's it. And most of the people who are Amos Miller's members who join his farm organization and kind of like a co-op and get his food, they often medically need certain of his unique raw milk products.

Their children or they have a certain unusual medical condition that really only raw milk products helps. And that's who he's most concerned with is protecting their access to something they need. They've tried to get it from other places. They can't. And that's who the government is coming in and saying, no, no, we know you say that you need it.

We know you've got medical testimony saying you need it. You've got evidence saying you need it. It's your informed consent that's supposed to govern these laws. But we're not going to allow you you need it. You've got evidence saying you need it. It's your informed consent that's supposed to govern these laws, but we're not going to allow you to get it. We're going to prohibit Amos Miller from even making it accessible to you. And that's what the state of Pennsylvania is doing. Before, the federal government was harassing him about poultry and meat and did it meet this standard and that standard? And it's because a lot of ordinary people don't want food made the corporatized, mechanized, industrialized way.

They want food from the farmer made the traditional way. How dare you? Do you mean our food supply is healthy? And it's, I mean, you mentioned RFK Jr. and his new vice presidential candidate. They are very concerned about food supply, but just look around you. People look so healthy and they're in such great shape.

I mean, the evidence is the food supply sucks. That's what the evidence is. And if people want to try something a little outside of the box, as long as they understand what they're doing. Look, I personally would not drink unpasteurized milk. I don't prescribe much ivermectin, but I would go to the mat to defend the doctor's ability to prescribe that medicine if he or she thinks it's right. And I would go to the mat for Amos to provide this and for somebody to consume it if that's what they want

to do. So what has happened here where this insanity, we have to have these conversations to protect ourselves from a government that we fought a revolution to protect us from. And a civil war on top of that. What is this? What's happening? Is it just bureaucracy grows and drifts towards totalitarianism in all states? Or is it just we have to push back now and shrink things? What's going on?

I mean, it shows that we gave too much power to all these regulatory agencies. You have these people that are career bureaucrats. They've never been farmers in their lives. They've never dealt with people that had unique medical needs for certain kinds of food products. And they were living, physical, walking examples of what's wrong with their food recommendations. I mean, they came into court, and each one looked exactly like you would expect them to look. And it's like, we're supposed to take food advice from you. Well, you're supposed to tell us what we can and can't feed our own children.

I mean, in this case, they were telling Amos Miller they were rationing his own food to his own family, telling him how much and what he could feed his own family. Not only that, they were telling him what he could feed his pigs. They said, you can feed your pigs this, but you can't feed your pigs that uh i mean there's that kind of it's it's a control mindset a power mindset that we saw reflect you know covid taught us what that looks like ultimately yes we yes they did they pulled the the dressing right off the wound and it was all bare laid bare for us weren't these sorts of, I think about the CDC this way, because I know this was there and certainly the FDA had no business in the practice of medicine whatsoever, ever. It was not for that. But the CDC was always sort of an advisory organization.

They provided us information. Wasn't a lot of this agricultural regulation initially more advisory? And how did it become sort of thus sayeth the Lord? Is it different in different states? How'd that happen? All of this was originally about just labeling. In other words, like something that was adulterated was something that was both dangerous to your health and wasn't supposed to be in there. So it's a suddenly say, well, we don't like say unpasteurized milk. So we're going to call it an adulterated.

Well, no, that's it's all natural. There's nothing in there that isn't, that doesn't come from nature. And it's exactly what the person wants and is getting. I mean, no person can even get Amos Miller's product.

It doesn't sign anything. They want to call it, put a skull and crossbone on it. As long as they let him do his, his thing. I don't care, but they, but they're not,

they, they've the part that is so disturbing about our present moment is they've gone way into telling us how to live our lives in almost every sphere. I mean, literally I can't, you know, it's hide under your bed, shelter in place, all this nonsense. And they've just seemed to have gotten very high on that. And it goes on.

Again, my question again is, is it all just these little cases? Is it, you know, Biden versus Missouri? Is it cases, you know, to support Amos? Is it one by one sorting these things out in the courts? Right now it is. And because each case is a template of what they can or can't do to either limit what they can do or empower what they can do. And so each one is going to have these much broader consequences than just one farmer. Because ultimately they're saying they get to dictate our diet. And then when Thomas Jefferson said,

there's nothing more dangerous to your soul than a government being able to control your diet, to paraphrase. He compared it to being more tyrannical than the British at the beak of the American Revolution. And that gives a sense of his mindset. He talked about the French banning the potato and saying, look at how nuts this stuff can get.

And now we're living it. I mean, we've gone from over 90% of our food we consume, we consumed from a farmer that we knew. So today, only 2% of all of our food supply comes directly from a farmer at all. I mean, over 90, we have four companies. And differently, whether you're talking about poultry, whether you're talking about pork, whether you're talking about beef, you've got a small number of corporations that control and monopolize our food. And that's not a good place to be. We saw that during the pandemic. We suddenly had a beef shortage.

Like, how do we in America, the great cattle country, how do we have a beef shortage? Because we get a small number of companies that are controlling our food and it's not good when people like bill gates a big promoter of a lot of the covet interventions is out buying up all the farm land across the country when he doesn't believe in traditional farms this is not a good indicator robert i don't know if you see what what caleb is throwing up on the screen but it's hysterical for the podcast listeners caleb just review that tab that's very funny putting up some recent google searches here of how many people die from drinking raw milk per year. And the last report from the NIH says about two deaths.

How many people die from alcohol per year? Eh, about 178,000. How many people die from sharks per year? There are 14 confirmed shark-related fatalities this year, 10 which were unprovoked. So, you know, you're more likely to die from sharks than you are from raw milk, guys. But the way these bureaucrats think is,

you see what a good job we're doing? Only two deaths. See what we've done here? We've really protected the public against the... Is it Brucella they're worried about? What are they worried about? What actually is it that they're going to die of from unpasteurized milk?

Well, what's fascinating is over the years, they've tried to spread various false claims about Amos. Amos goes through, I mean, he has stainless steel. I mean, he does everything to the highest possible standard. And over, he's distributed millions of products, tens of thousands of Americans over 20 years. And so we got all the government data. It's like, okay, give me every single complaint anyone has ever filed. Anybody produces food, or, you know, has run a restaurant, you're going to have somebody usually that complains.

It's just the nature of food, the nature of the human body. It turned out, and they all had to admit this on the stand. They kept trying to dodge the question, and then finally they have to admit it. In 20 years, tens of millions of products, tens of millions of products,

tens of thousands of Americans, they had zero complaints to anybody, anywhere, any place, any time about either the safety or the accuracy of anything they ever got from Amos Miller. And they hated admitting that. They tried to blame him. They said they thought it was a listeria person. It turned out that the person's own family said

she didn't drink raw milk. She had fourth stage cancer. And it turned out the listeria person. It turned out that the person's own family said she didn't drink raw milk. She had fourth stage cancer. And it turned out the listeria positive test came six months before and had nothing to do with anything related to Amos Miller. So that's the nature of it. We get listeria outbreaks still around here. That's one of the things that happens in certain tainted cheeses. That's usually where it comes from. And we learn about it very quickly. It's not an unpasteurized cheeses. It's just

in cheeses. And Caleb, maybe that's where you got your Crohn's disease. Maybe you should sue your mom since she fed you unpasteurized milk. Well, see, we actually didn't have unpasteurized milk until I was much older because we didn't go into that until I was like 14 or 15, but they have found some links between milk and cows. There's certain connections between cows that have a Crohn's like disease that this stuff is connected in some way.

Okay. I mean, we're not into pasteurized milk, though. We drank goat milk, too. We were goat farmers, Drew. We didn't have cows. Well, goat is where the Brucella comes from, if I remember right. That's a pretty nasty illness too. So I'm surprised. Maybe that's what gave you the Crohn's.

But anyway, Robert, go ahead. Drew, if you had a cup of coffee at Caleb's house and you wanted cream in your coffee, I think you would drink the goat milk. I think you would try it. Oh, I would try it. You would drink it. And I think because you love cream in your coffee

you gotta try you know you gotta do what you gotta do and i i'm a rebel what about ice cream you gotta try goat milk ice cream like we when when we really went into that homesteading moving from the city to the country when i was a teenager we got a ton of goats and we would milk the goats every single morning the kids would have to do. And it would just be straight from the goat right into the bucket. And that's what we would drink. And don't the French like eat every part of the goat, right? There's certain French, there's certain out in the country practices. And they don't mess around with processing.

They don't waste a bit. Let's take a little break. Robert Barnes is the guest. Why don't we, let's's see you can go on x you can just follow him at barnes is that correct b-a-r-n-e-s you've got that there is the law podcast viva and barnes uh barnes law of course you can write barnes laws oh barnes underscore law i beg your pardon that i didn't see the underscore there so it's barnes underscore law so you follow and then barn Barnes Law LLP on Instagram.

Is that correct? Or is just that's BarnesLawLLP.com is where people go, right? Yep. That's it. The latter. Okay. So Barnes Law LLP. Go there to get his website.

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He is a constitutional attorney and we've been talking about the case um around the farmer in pennsylvania wanting to distribute unpasteurized milk but i i want to move away from that i got a couple other things i want to talk about and i just want to just to get your thoughts sort of globally, one of the things I want to talk about is some of the questionable censorship of a former presidential candidate, a former president, and what you think about the constitutionality of all that. But before I do, I've just been asking a lot of my guests this same question because I just shake my head every day with a giant thought bubble, giant question mark in the thought bubble over my head. What do you think is happening to us?

What has gone on here? How did we get to this place? And what do we need to do to undo it? I think it's a degree of too much governmental control and institutional control and too much. I attribute it in part to the professional managerial class of which, you know, as a lawyer, I'm a part, doctor, you're a part. But too many of our compadres in our professional class think they should really govern the rest of us. They should decide what's best for us, whether it's food, whether it's health, whether it's politics, whether it's speech, any of it. They're like, well, let us tell you what's good for you because you don't know what's good for yourself.

We know what's better. And we've tried that. You know, when the professional class of a tight governed societies like the Soviet Union didn't turn out so good. You know, we need to trust ordinary people, the entrepreneurial spirit, the nature of free speech, the traditions of the Enlightenment. These are the things that are much more likely to get us to truth and liberty than concentrating power in the hands of bureaucrats, professional managerial class types who have proven incapable of being able to govern the rest of us and make the best decisions for us. Yeah, I was pointing out the other day that I've fallen into a deep rabbit hole studying the French Revolution. And one of the things that I listened to in a lecture was pointed out that the Jacobins, who were all about, they really sort of invented totalitarianism, but they wanted essentially the monarchical administrative state.

They wanted this massive administrative state run by the people and didn't see any problem with that while the Girardins wanted something decentralized. And the point being, we are still fighting this conflict that has been tried a million times, this idea that centralization is the answer. Centralization is, I dare say, never the answer. Adam Smith and the invisible hand and those sorts of ideas of decentralization are always the more efficient system and always

get humanity to a better place and people where we all want everybody to go. Why don't we ever learn this lesson? Exactly. I mean, I think COVID hammer hammered in our heads in a lot of ways that allowed us to start questioning other things you know i mean how exactly why do we have a vaccine system where if i'm a pharmaceutical company i have all the upside and none of the downside if i make a dangerous product well too bad for you uh i i don't the whole covet vaccine first came out i told people look i'm not going to trust something with that. There's no liability if they are actually if they lie, if they cheated the system, if they just made a bad product. They're not on the hook. They're getting lots of money, but they have no risk.

And I just can't trust the system like that. It's the same with the vaccine list that most people, most of us as parents had never second guessed. Now you start to when it goes from two to four to 12 to what, 83 or whatever ridiculous numbers on there. Now you start wondering, does my kid need that many? But how can I trust a drug that nobody's liable if they lied to me about it? Nobody's liable if they actually screwed up, if they gave me bad medical advice, if they simply created a product that wasn't safe, if they created that somewhere along the manufacturing process, it got contaminated in some way. How can I trust something like that? And what we learned from COVID is we can't defer and delegate all power to centralized government officials because they will inescapably, whether unintentionally, as Francis Collins is admitting, or intentionally in some of the more nefarious kind of cases, when you look at the agendas of the Bill Gates's of the world, either way, we can't trust the outcome. The outcome is

going to be something that human history over centuries has taught us. Give a lot of power to a small group of people never turns out well. What are you referring to Bill Gates there? I'm not familiar with whatever that reference was. So, I mean, Bill Gates really believes in vaccines. He promotes them heavily and aggressively, sometimes controversially in places like Kenya and India. And for him, like he was such a promoter of the vaccine, promoter of a lot of the interventions. He kept saying that China was doing things the right way in response to the lockdowns. Take a look at China's economy and how that's going right now and everything else. And I think his dream world is a dystopian world. He thinks there's too many people. He wants to

reduce the population growth. I don't trust, honestly, anybody who tells me that right out of the gate. But putting that aside, the nature of his belief system and what he thinks is best for us, I don't think is best for us. And the problem is he tends to promote a lot of the WHO. He's the number two funder of the World Health Organization behind the US government because he thinks a small group of people should control things, that that's a better world for us ultimately. And I think that's actually what's most threatening to us is when a small group of people make our decisions for us. Does he say that out loud? It's such a dumb position.

He certainly doesn't strike me as a dumb guy. He's well-read. He looks at history. Does he say that out loud, that the decision-making should be Francis Collin? Oops, Francis Collin is a bright guy. He didn't take risk-reward into analysis. Disgusting. Completely. Didn't take risk reward into analysis. Disgusting.

Completely. Well, you look behind a lot of the fact-checking organizations that are out there, particularly as to public health matters, they end up being funded heavily by the Gates Foundation. You look at food. He's a heavy investor in a lot of these fake foods, these alternative foods that he wants to promote. Buying up a lot of farmland, even though he doesn't want to farm. He believes traditional farming is a quote-unquote threat to the environment. And so he's behaving as someone, and he said his model

has always been the Rockefellers and the Rockefeller Foundation. And you go back, I mean, that goes back to eugenics and a lot of things in the 20s and 30s that the Nazis borrowed from. It's like, that's not a tradition I want to borrow from. I don't think that's what we want to, the path we want to go down. And it just reflects a certain elitism that I think is endemic to a lot of the professional class writ large. That, hey, I got such and such a degree, I should run your life now.

Yeah, the elitism. There's a book out, Susan, what is the name of that book? Sitting by your bedside, that Tracy gave us. I forget the name of it, but essentially it's making the case that when society is getting into trouble, it's when they have ossified elites, ensconced elites.

And we certainly have that now. We have these elites that we can't seem to shake off. And no one seems to really appreciate how much that's happening. The elites are the very people that, those are the ones that are going to tell you how to live your life. And they're the last people on earth I would advise you to listen to. Exactly. I mean, they're the kind of people that will tell you that seeing in church could spread a virus, but going to Walmart never will. Or going to the casino and buying some alcohol.

No problem. Liquor store. Yeah, liquor store is cool. It was like a woke virus that knew where to go and where not to go. BLM protest, no problem. It magically vanishes. You held a picnic. I mean, I sued on behalf of someone when they blocked an Easter egg roll at their church

in the name of COVID. All outdoors. And I was like, in the same, the same place was my hometown, the mayor of the city of Chattanooga, uh, the same place you could go to the liquor store though. I was like, okay, hold on a second. How does this make any sense? This is for our health. I don't think so. It's about control. And these people are just control obsessed people that threaten all of our liberties. Even if they have the best of intentions, uh, they endanger our liberties by the

methods they choose to assert power. You're right. You're reminding me of, Caleb, I'm going to, gosh darn, I was going to ask you to find this, but it may be unfair. It was before the Super Bowl, the operations manager, I think was his title, of the SoFi Center was telling people, we see you, we've got our eye on you. You get a tub of popcorn and you pull your mask down and leave it down because you've got so much. We are watching you. We are out for you.

That asshole should lose his job. The fact that guy still has a job is, again, disgusting. These are people that want, wish you ill. You're outdoors at a football stadium, literally the Super Bowl, and all he cares about is exerting his will upon you. That is not somebody you can trust. Caleb, is that showing up at all, or am I being unfair and asking you to find that?

I'm looking for it. It's a huge, okay. I'm sorry. I may may have i don't know they do all right so types of topics too yeah i mean carola and i have pulled it up regularly just to remind everyone how how what what a-holes people were during this thing that we need to remind ourselves of who these these people showed themselves for who they are. And by the way, I would include in that same group the people that accuse people of wanting to kill others for having an opinion about COVID. You're also an asshole, right? If somebody thought, hey, man, maybe we ought to reconsider lockdown. Oh, you need to be crushed because you want to kill somebody. No,

we want to consider the best for people because A, just reviewing the lockdown data per Francis Collins, since we're talking about his commentary, lockdowns. I found a quote from Trump yesterday that came upon my Twitter feed where he was saying, you know, lockdowns are never designed to eliminate COVID. It's just not possible. This is an aerosolized respiratory virus. We're trying to slow it down so we can get to a vaccine, but it will not prevent COVID. Everybody's going to get COVID. He said that right at the initiation of the outbreak. And these people that then flipped and said, oh no, zero COVID, were out of their their minds. We're not of their right mind, literally.

Did not know what they were talking about. And for them to condemn anybody who had other opinions was literally disgusting, false. They should apologize. They should think about their hubris next time. But let's go over to President Trump and talk about his cases and his gag order. What do you think about the lawfare being waged against a former president? and talk about his cases and his gag order.

What do you think about the lawfare being waged against a former president? I mean, I think it's frightening because I initially believed that, I was like, these are Rubicon's. I would talk to people on international news stations and elsewhere, and I was like, I don't think our government will cross those Rubicon's. We've never crossed those before. And even though this was coming out of COVID, so I probably should have known better. I was like, they're not going to indict a former president. That's the leading opponent of the incumbent administration.

We've never done that in American history. They're not going to come up with some crazy legal theory by which contesting an election is now magically and miraculously a racketeering crime. They're not going to say that being the victim of an extortion scheme by someone that you had to pay them off to protect your wife, that now you're going to be accused of a crime based on technicalities of accounting interpretation. And they're definitely not going to say that taking your own documents from the White House is now magically a crime.

They're not going to say that. But George Washington took most of his documents home. And yet here we are, where he's facing all four. And on top of that, let's bankrupt him because we don't, because the attorney general ran on, elect me, I'll help bankrupt Donald Trump. And then does it, seems like a patent First Amendment violation. And now you have a rogue judge in this case, sadly, many rogue judges in New York who are issuing rulings that even people that don't care about Trump at all are like, this is a terrifying ruling for how you do business, for how you operate. This is criminalizing everyday business that takes place in New York and across the country.

So it is a scary time to be alive in that sense. You know, all the criticisms of Putin aside, even Putin has never tried to do this kind of thing. I mean, this is the extreme nature of it. Any of our critics, other countries, other governments haven't weaponized the legal system like this since we had the Soviet-style show trials, which is what this looks like and frequently is, unfortunately. Yeah, I'm just thinking about the excesses. You know, what is it, twice as many professors have lost their jobs in the current sort of,

what are we calling this, woke hysteria as compared to the McCarthy era, where 100 lost their job, now already 200 have. And did you see an astonishing thing happen yesterday as it pertains to these cases and the lawfare, which was they allowed RFK Jr. on CNN, I think it was yesterday. And he pointed out how the irony or the hypocrisy of the Democrats going after trump for attempting to undermine democracy when they were actively undermining democracy when it came to his campaign rfk's campaign and he even made the case that trump too was uh being a democratic process being undermined by the way they were behaving did you see the a he went through about seven different sort of interrogatories showing where Democrats are specifically undermining democracy, all the while

complaining that others are undermining democracy. First of all, did you see that? Yes, I did. And it was very much a confession through projection. A lot of what they accuse Trump of is a list of things they themselves are guilty of. So it fits that narcissistic trait in the same manner. So it's like, you know, they kept saying Trump connected to his family, was doing things of questionable nature

involving overseas governments. Basically, they described the Biden family as what they were describing, wasn't the Trump family. But all the, we got to protect democracy from democracy. I mean, it's very French Revolution-esque. In the name of the people, we have to take all the power away from the people

and maybe kill them if they get out of line. I mean, it's that same insanity. Yeah, that's why I've gone down that rabbit hole. It feels very familiar. The thinking is very familiar. Rousseau was influencing them. His sort of big idea was you had to be intolerant in the name of tolerance. You had to force tolerance.

It's just odd. And by the way, any of you out there that are fans of Rousseau, read his confession sometimes. There was never a bigger asshole than Rousseau himself. He dragged along this poor woman who he used essentially as a sexual repository. She had five kids. He forced her to leave all of those kids on the doors of orphanages where the survival rate was less than 10%. He's a good guy. This was a good guy.

No, he was a horrible human being. And you can read it from the beginning. Even during his childhood, he's a brilliant dude, but his story was long and nefarious. He worked as kind of a servant and he stole something and then tagged it onto some poor girl there

that really needed the job and allowed her to go to, I think, to go to prison because he had stolen something or he knew where it was or some nonsense. He just allowed all this crap. Anyway, bad guy. But so what is going to happen now? By the way, another thing I'm thinking about the CNN appearance. At the end of RFK Jr. going through this whole litany of descriptions of where democracy

was being undermined, the CNN host said, yeah, but what about Trump? Yeah, but what about? Oh, but still. OK, got it. Yeah, but still. You say, yeah, but still, then OK, we're good here. So it was a very strange thing. Rather than arguing about whether or not RFK had made a good point, they went just to,

yeah, but still. It's really, we have to do something. Something has to be done. I don't know what we do, but somehow people have to be held accountable. My son's an attorney, and towards the latter, the twilight of COVID, he said, you know, the courts have purpose. We'll work this through in the courts. This is where the courts can be useful. But boy, it's slow, and it's a lot of back and

forth. So what do you predict going forward? Do you have any predictions about how this is going to sort out? I mean, I think ultimately it's going to be up to the Supreme Court to preserve the independence, the integrity of the judicial branch itself, because what's happening is the judicial branch is becoming complicit in election interference and undermining constitutional democracy and depriving people of individual liberty and allowing the legal system to be overtly and openly and partisanly weaponized against a specified individual in ways that all of our laws, going back to the Constitution's prohibition on exposed factual laws and bills of attainder, were all designed to prohibit. The First Amendment says you can't selectively prosecute someone because they're your political opponent. Yet that is

happening by their admission in many of these cases. Fannie Willis is bragging about it, despite all of her unethical and unprofessional behavior that led to that case even being prosecuted. Alvin Bragg has bragged about it. Letitia James has bragged about it. The Biden administration is effectively bragging about it. And I think that all of this is going to put pressure on the Supreme Court. They could step in and stop all of it. They could stop all the censorship with the case pending before them.

Now, there, sadly and frighteningly, you had Supreme Court justices saying, well, when it's a pandemic, maybe we need to restrict that First Amendment thing. You know, if you want to restrain the First Amendment, change the Constitution. Don't do it from the bench. But so they have a great opportunity there to put an end to that social media state collusive censorship. They have another opportunity with the immunity cases to put an end to all these cases to say, look, the president of the United States has immunity unless he's successfully impeached and convicted. We have to have it that way. Otherwise, a president is subject to the extortion of any local politician who has prosecutorial power anywhere in the country. We have a constitutional process to deal with someone who's really a criminal president,

and that's the impeachment and conviction process that puts it through the constitutional mechanism. That would negate and lead to the dismissal of all the criminal cases against Trump, because all of them concern acts he took while president. Even if they have some other acts while he wasn't president, the core of the allegations concern acts while he was president. So the Supreme Court could save the appearance of the judiciary and save the judiciary from itself, like the New York and other judges who've gone rogue here, and say, no, you can't indict him. And then at least we wouldn't have that sideshow going through the election where we have constant election interference being done by the judges themselves, trying to prevent Trump from having access to funds, access to being able to campaign, prohibiting his speech by issuing gag orders. These are things that have just never

been done in America for a reason. They offend and violate our core constitutional liberties, and ultimately it's going to be up to the Supreme Court of the United States to preserve and protect that constitution, or we're all in for an interesting time, shall we say. Is that case before the Supreme Court now? You mentioned what I used to call Missouri versus Biden, but what's the other one, the immunity case? So the presidential immunity case for the D.C. charges is currently before the Supreme Court, but the legal basis for that decision would impact all of the criminal cases against Trump. And so they could, in one clean sweep, like they did with the ballot cases,

say, okay, this is getting way out of hand. We're not keeping and excluding people off the ballot who are the leading candidate for president of the United States. Not going to go there on some novel interpretation of the 14th Amendment. They can do the same thing and say, we're going to stop all these criminal charges, stop all the Georgia case, the Florida case, D.C. case and New York case because he has immunity for any of the acts you're accusing him of being a crime of. And even though legally it would only impact the D.C. case, by precedent, it would impact all of the cases. And I hope that's what they do. And there's more pressure on them to do it because of how embarrassing these legal proceedings are.

With judges saying, I'm going to prohibit you from talking about the fact that I may have a family member who's economically compromised by this very prosecution and other things like that. Other judges say, I'm going to hold you here and you have to be here for the next eight weeks and you can't campaign during peak election season. I mean, these are all things that have never happened before for a reason. And it could be up to the Supreme Court to make sure they don't ever happen again for a reason. When is that decision likely to be handed down? Do we know? By June. By Juneune all of them they're going to issue by june there's a chance they go sooner but most likely june and then that that

includes the biden versus missouri the what do they call it now mirth versus biden or something yeah the i mean you you see why it would have been good if why justice alito wanted robert kennedy to be allowed to intervene in that case, because there could have been some key arguments made that weren't made an oral argument because Robert Kennedy was the number one target. I mean, that was the irony of CNN asking him that question. You're asking the guy who the Biden administration, as soon as they got in, said, kick Kennedy off Instagram, get Kennedy off this, get Kennedy off that. And they made him a potential political opponent by trying to censor him everywhere. It wasn't necessarily the smartest political decision ever made, but Biden's never been

accused of having too much IQ. So I think the net effect of it, though, is that all these laws target him, but they impact all of us. So both Biden v. Missouri and Merthyr that have been joined, Merthyr v. Biden being joined. All of it impacts all of our freedoms. Are we going to be able to prohibit the state from collusively coordinating with the digital public square from suppressing and censoring our speech? And what else we learned during COVID is we need that dissident speech because it's what woke a lot of people up to maybe this is going too far. And we definitely need it going forward.

What's your prediction about these two cases? I'm afraid the Supreme Court's going to split the baby on the social media censorship case. They're going to say, you went too far here, but not too far there. And when they should, just stop it altogether. Because once you put loopholes in there, the government will find those loopholes and use them effectively. far here, but not too far there. And when they should just stop it altogether, because it's going to open it. Once you put loopholes in there, the government will find those loopholes and use them effectively. And so I think that that will be the beginning of the battle for free speech, but it won't be the end of the battle because the Supreme Court won't go as far as they should go.

I think on immunity, they're almost being forced to go as far as they need to go, because otherwise we're going to have embarrassing sideshows. I mean, this is embarrassing for America on the global stage, what we're putting Trump through. I mean, these are bogus cases. I mean, one thing, if you had a murder case or rape case or something like that, these are made up cases. I mean, so they're on top of political election interference. So I think they almost have to step in and say no more or that we're all going to be in for an interesting year. And Robert, I want to wrap up. What's coming down the road for you and Viva? Yeah, so we're going to continue to do VivaBarnesLaw.Locals.com is where we do

put up all of our stuff, continue to do the Sunday show. The government's obsessed with stopping Amos Miller from now being able to even distribute products outside the state of Pennsylvania, which is supposed to be unconstitutional, interstate commerce clause and all that supremacy clause, et cetera. But so that case is probably going to keep going through the court system. The government's trying to intervene in the Brooke Jackson case and shut down the biggest allegations of fraud against Pfizer concerning the COVID vaccine. That's going to be litigated too. So the one thing that's definitely the case

is there'll be no lack of stories to cover for Viva and Barnes for the forthcoming months. Well, I appreciate you stopping by here. Please say hello to our friend Viva and we will check you out on X x and uh also over at locals fantastic thanks you got it thanks robert appreciate it very much uh we actually had dinner at our friend viva's house one uh back how long ago was that susan like three four months ago we were down in florida it's so he makes a mean steak he does uh and they've got some interesting uh canine canine

family members they're all handicapped they're very interesting i know it's like dragging with you know his body do you ever find that video that i challenge you about i know i see somebody on the restream asked for it and anybody come up with it no i couldn't find it but in the process of looking for it i found this lovely old article from 2022 about how eric garcetti la mayor says he held his breath when he was doing the maskless photos and uh yeah that is that yes god bless you we should be mocking mocking these people for this insanity we should be ashamed of ourselves for i mean i understand at the beginning there's a lot of confusion but we should be ashamed of ourselves for caving into these people they are they that guy harmed the children of the la area by chanting every night that we need a

shelter in place, that you'd kill your family to go outside. Barbara Farrar. She's dead yet? Well, look, we just heard from Frances Collins that public health officials are not able to make risk war decisions. And her stuff lately has just been out of this world wrong. And I remember I had a local show here, and we would go over regularly this red, yellow, and green set of provisions in order for us to move from red, which we were always in, to green. We essentially had to have zero COVID cases in three months. Think about that. Think about how insane that idea even was. We have hundreds of

COVID cases still every day. So we would not have been out of COVID if she had had her way. It's just so, the fact that we allowed these people to do this, it should give us such pause. We should be thinking about how do we, A, make sure this doesn't happen again, and B, be sure that individuals, these people work for us. It's the government of the people. They work for us. They don't tell, the microphone keeps moving. They don't tell you how to live your life. Yes, I'm not saying it should be a free-for-all, And there are limits of freedom. I understand that. But for them to be in your life and safety uber Alice and telling you what to eat, this is way, way, way out of line. Keep it all local.

Your physician, your kids' teachers, your community members in your neighborhood, that's where a sphere of insular affluence should be, not somebody from on high telling you how to live that it is just so wrong with a capital w and it's actually disgusting that we've been through all this and now they're starting to show their with the reality of how wrong they were some of the more courageous ones like francis collins god bless him is stepping up and telling the truth. And we should be learning from that. So here we go. I'm going to be away tomorrow, but Kelly Victory, a new TWC

chief board member, is going to sit in for me. And she'll be here with Ed Dowd, which was always interesting. You have a question on Rumble. Okay. He's got a lot of interesting new data on cancer and cancers and what do you got there susan rumble was uh handing out some dollar bills today for you good let's get the questions yeah um i don't know do you still defend fauci how do you defend his 2008 study that concluded majority of 1918 deaths from we're from bacterial lung infections not flu but he never mentioned that in 2020 right so dr fauci's behavior during covid was mind-boggling to me as were that of many i think dr burks was still your bigger problem because she was as you heard from francis collins they weren't thinking about anything and yet from what those guys did there in Washington,

she went out and evangelized to the rest of the country, not religiously. She evangelized about the topic of lockdown. And she was the contagion of how lockdowns move from DC and New York to North Dakota, places which didn't have COVID. It's just ridiculous. So I blame her more than Fauci.

Fauci, when I look back now on some of the recommendations that he gave us back during the AIDS epidemic, I now have concerns about. He was using fear then. He was somebody I looked forward to for guidance and inspiration. And I was there when the AZT boxes were open and I was so appreciative of that because I could tell these young men now not that they were just going to die in six months but that maybe this would do something at a great

medicine we knew it but maybe it would push their life expectancy down nine months and during that nine month interval maybe we come up with more antivirals, which is exactly what happened. So I was there. I lived it. Some of what he advocated, again, was using fear, which I did. I used fear. Remember that? If you have sex with somebody, you're having sex with everybody they ever had sex with. That was fear. That was how we used fear. It's too much. And in COVID, that same playbook was disastrous and damaging so that's that's where i will leave that and i i you know beyond that i can't defend much of what he did and unable to answer ran paul's question why it's the virus is somehow not okay uh in a in a go on the beach or paddleboard or go to a skate park but you can go to a political demonstration.

Can't go to a church, political demonstration. That was insanity. He should have been fired immediately, and we didn't do any of that. So bureaucrats, elites are ensconced, and we have learned that that's a problem. Any other questions there, Susan? Fleet Lord Avatar just gave you 20 bucks.

This is a good one. Someone get that lawyer into AG office or SCOTUS during next Trump administration. He looks to be from the people for the people. There you go. Yeah, everybody likes him. Watch his He and Viva's podcast and stream and whatnot. There were other ones, but I can't find them. Okay.

Well, I apologize. I apologize. I didn't see them. A couple people said that. Yeah, I saw some that go. I didn't see them. A couple of people said that. I saw some that go up on the screen there. Most of them were just sort of statements, right? Rather than questions. Yeah, some of them.

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Woo-hoo. Yeah, woo-hoo. And then where are we next week? Is it New Orleans next week? New Orleans. We're doing southern travel. We are up and back quite a bit. So we will see you.

I'll see you. Is that April 9th with Vivek? That's where I'm here? Yes, that's on next Tuesday. Yeah, Tuesday. Monday you have a shoot too. That should be very, very interesting. We'll see you then.

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