Ask Dr. Drew - “Google Defamed Me”: Sarah Westall Sues YouTube + Drea de Matteo (The Sopranos) On Meeting JFK Jr. & What “Should Bother Everyone” About The FBI & Human Trafficking – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 627

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

Big Tech censorship never really stopped. Emmy-winning “The Sopranos” star Drea de Matteo and investigative journalist Sarah Westall are fighting back. Westall has filed a landmark federal lawsuit against Google, YouTube, and the U.S. government, alleging a coordinated government-tech campaign to suppress her speech – the first in American legal history to preemptively challenge the structural bias of the 9th Circuit in Big Tech cases. Westall breaks down how Google allegedly monetized fake, defamatory impersonator channels designed to destroy her professional reputation. Drea de Matteo discusses her UltraFree podcast and clothing line dedicated to free speech, speaks about her personal Hamptons meeting with John F. Kennedy Jr., and asks why the FBI can tally exactly how many cars are stolen every year… but not how many children were trafficked – something that “should bother everyone.” Drea de Matteo is an Emmy Award-winning actress known for her role on The Sopranos. She hosts the ULTRAFREE Podcast and launched ULTRAFREE, a clothing line dedicated to free speech and free thinking. Follow at https://x.com/dreadematteo Sarah Westall is an investigative journalist, business executive, systems engineer, and former university instructor. She hosts The Sarah Westall Show, a leading independent media platform reaching over 2.5 million monthly views across Rumble, Apple Podcasts, Substack, and other platforms. Follow at https://x.com/sarah_westall 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • VANMAN - Go to https://vanman.shop/drew and use code DREW for 15% off your first order⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In a few minutes, Sarah Westfall will be joining us. She's an investigative journalist, a business executive systems engineer, former university instructor. She hosts the Sarah Westall. I'm getting her name wrong, Westall show, W-E-S-T-A-L-L. It's independent media platform, of course, reaching over 2.5 million monthly views. You can see it everywhere. You can follow Sarah on X. Sarah with an H underscore Westall.

She, amongst other things, will be covering landmark federal lawsuits. against U.S. government and essentially YouTube, alleging coordinated censorship, which we know happened. There's no doubt that that happened. Question is, what can be done about it? And there's been some success. Alex Berenson has had some success in calling this out. He is going forward with more,

and I bet Sarah is coordinated with him. Before Sarah comes in here, though, Drea de Mattao, one of our favorite guests is here, Emmy Award-winning actress, her role from The Sopranos. she hosts the show ultra-free. It's a podcast, ultra-free. And also she, of course, had the ultra-free clothing line that she's had for quite a while. You can follow Dreia on X, Dreia, D-R-E-A, D-E-A, D-E-A-D-M-A-T-E-O.

A lot to get into today. Susan, you're excited to hear from Drea? We haven't talked to her in a little while. Absolutely. There it is. We'll be right back after this with Dreo de Mateo. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this guy.

He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for a c-said. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals.

Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Lovelin all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. You have trouble. You can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

And I'll be keeping an eye on for your calls at 183333-33-37-39, 1-8003-D-R-D-R-A-W. Susan's building a locomotive engine to my left here. I feel like, are you doing major construction over there or just a reflooring, putting a new floor down? Okay, let's go right to Dreia de Mateo. Dreo, thank you for being there as always. I'm so happy to see you.

and not, I want to see Susan. I want to see her face. I like to call Pinsky, Pinsky. Pinsky, I call her Pinsky. I call you Dr. Drew. Pinsky, where are you? I'm right here. Are you ready for camera, Susan?

For camera now. Drea wants to actually see you. No, no, no, no. I wish I could. She's already. I have you guys are. I had a ZERF today. I'm not camera ready.

Oh. You got what today? Deserve. Instagram in a one-piece bathing suit looking like the highest woman in Hollywood. That's all I got to say. All right, I'm done. Thank you. Because I'm with Drew.

I got her in a bikini for another one. She was like, I'm telling you that one will do better. No, I didn't. It didn't do better? That's because Drea didn't see it. I didn't see it. Anyways, I reposted it recently. Thank you.

Okay, I'm going to go check it out. I love you. I love you. I love you. I know. So I read something about you that really caught my attention. No, no, it's a good thing. No, no, no, it's a good thing.

And you framed it in a way that actually, I love things that change my perspective. And you said something that just immediately I got what you were talking about. in regards to your meeting with JFK Jr. Yeah, what was that? What did I say? You said, I thought about this as a real. I think you were talking about junior. Let me, let me, because I remember the father and see where you're,

I'm going to get your exact words here, just a second. Caleb, like, oh, that's Sarah's stuff. Here it is. Okay. Oh gosh, darn it. Okay. It's just like the page jumped up. Okay, you were in the Hamptons.

Okay. I can't hear her very well. Yeah, the sound is kind of odd. It's jumped, we're running into each other with our sound because of the computer microphone. A podcast now. Yes, she does, but her son's rapping on that microphone right now. Didn't you hear that? And I thought she was talking about wrapping Christmas presents.

That's how white I am. But no, no. Oh, my God, amazing. Also, I have a habit of talking over people, which is, oh, really? It's that bad? Do you think it'll make it? There's already, there's a little delay already. And then if we are not synced on the delay, it cancels you, for sure, at your end.

So let me, let me read to you what was said. This is JFK Jr. and you said, for many, he wasn't. just a person, he was the face of an era that we still can't look away from. And when you said that from in my head, I went, oh my God, that's his dad too. His dad, like I was, I was around in those days. His dad, like, you immediately go back to that era when you see a picture of his dad. And I hadn't thought about JFK Jr. being the same, but you brought light on that. Tell me about I mean, that was the first time, I think, that something had, I mean, was that when he died, was it before 9-11? I can't remember the timeline. Somebody looked that up, Caleb?

You know, either way, either way. It was still a time where nobody was really, well, I don't know, maybe back when JFK died, people were glued to the television because it might have been the first of its kind, something televised in that way. July of 99. Ninety-nine. So that was... Two years before. That was right before. Right? Okay.

So, yeah, it was almost like preparation for what would happen. Oh, my God. He's not. He's gorgeous. I actually have a... There was something to that story that I did not remember. I was babysitting for my, I was raised by my nanny and then I used to babysit her granddaughter. So she was with me. And I asked her last week about that because it's been circulating about me

talking about him that I had met him when I was a kid. And she left me a message. I don't know if you can hear this, but it is, I didn't know all of this stuff, but because I forgot. I just remember meeting him real quick. My brother was in the, worked in the DA's office, and he came over to my brother. But hearing her, I want to play it for you guys, but you guys might think I'm insane. I'm going to play you just a tiny piece of it. Hold on. Because it's so New York. I love it. A JFK real life story is. I'm already laughing. We were coming into the Hampton. Can you hear this? On a late night, it must have been a Friday night in the summertime.

Passing the duck or close where the duck is. I always remember that part. I must have been about nine years old. I'm guessing I could have been. I'm going to fast. I'm going to go in a little bit on it. When I'm done and I think you and me and Joe calls us over and Joe is talking to the guy. Joe was, she was watching this man in Carvel scratching his ass.

like in his ass she said. Sorry, so stupid. Digging in. Digging deep. And I want to say, I think you pointed it out to me. So we're like behind the guy's back laughing at him and like

oh my God, what the fuck? Whatever. Right? Forgot all about it. I'm picking my ice cream out, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And then all of a sudden when I'm done and I think you and me and Joe calls us over

and Joe my brother I instantly recognized the suit but I didn't see the front of him I mean he was angelically handsome gorgeous guy and they introduce

you to him and you shake the guy's hand and then they introduced him to me and he put his hand out but I just waved awkwardly and I think Joe or something I was like shake his head

and I was like no and um because he had his hands up his ass his hand and listen oh my God it's so funny

he would have touched that hand that was up JFK Jr's ass that's all I have to say you would have been all about it so yeah we would totally be kissing his ass

that we had just met him in my house in the Hamptons and everyone was freaking out. And then he was shortly after that, he died. That was right. It was right before. Crazy. Yeah. Wild. So, anyhow, that's my story.

But yes, it was, it did mark a time where everything in our world at that time for our generation, stuff started to feel like it was deteriorating. and I guess the first like politician celebrity and it was a callback to JFK

for a lot of other people in a weird way even I knew he I don't know him back then and I didn't know that he wanted

to run for Senate against Hillary Clinton at that time you know conspiracies he was murdered well Dre and Susan

go right there yeah I know FBI female bureau investigations So, yeah, and then 9-11 was right after that, and that was it. That was the day our world changed, I would say, forever. We knew that freedom was different.

Yeah, I agree with you. And sort of when we started, we, when Susan and I grew up in an era when we thought wars were just a thing of the past, and all of a sudden we're like, oh, oh, no, oh, shit. But to that point, you know, COVID was sort of the next pilling event, let's say. I don't know what color pill people necessarily got from that experience, but it changed a lot. Right now, I don't know if you're watching this, but I'm increasingly mortified slash concerned, I guess, be the word about the World Health Organization and their behavior in terms of attempting to stir up panic again. So we have, we have a, you know, we've gone from monkeypox to bird flu to Hanta virus to

Ebola. And I'm constantly saying I want to share with you that apparently Hanta is a word, if you put it in your software for translating in a foreign language for the word. word chump or sort of dummy essentially sucker sucker that language happens to be Hebrew but to neither hear nor there it just is a word for chump and the world health organization have named the outbreak of Ebola in the DRC a public health emergency of international concern and the acronym they keep pushing out is P-H-E-I-C pronounced fake. So we have a chump virus and a fake outbreak. God works in mysterious ways.

But my question to you is, what do you see there? I see them trying to, I feel that they're trying to drum up power and money. Like, see how much you need us. You can't do it without, the Congo can't possibly do it without us. And by the way, you bad Americans undis. the USAID, that's why this is such a horrible outbreak. I see new evidence of any of that in reality, if you look into it. DRC has outbreaks on a regular basis. This is a bad one. They're taking sort of cases that are suspected that most of them turned out to be like Shigella and malaria

and things, most of them so far, but they're counting suspected cases as cases and then using that as a way to stir up panic and fear. I am deeply disturbed by the way they're behaving. What do you say? I mean, first of all, the etymology, I had no idea about all of, I like, I like that. I like these things. I don't like it. Like I don't hate, I can't stand these people.

You know I can't stand these people, but I did not even know that. That's wild. I can't wait to tell my friends that are doctors. that as well let me ask this let me ask this let's get a little more grain there why can't you stand these people because i have my own reason for not standing them what what bothers you well the w a jo for me from well first of all i mean even though i have a podcast and i'm talking all kinds of smack on everything which nobody's because i'm banned and blocked everywhere for some reason actors can't talk

about the stuff but um but the Bill Gates thing. So let's just go straight to Bill Gates. I mean, why not? I just it almost reminds me of like these I watched, you know, my son, we were talking about my son. We watched

all of Naruto, like all of this Jap animation stuff and the bad guys really do believe, and I guess this isn't every superhero thing, which at this point I think all of it is predictive programming.

not to sound like a total conspiracy theorist, but the bad guys really think they're saving the world. They really think that they are, there is some sort of, you know, you understand the psychosis of it probably better than I do. But I think these people really do believe that they have a mission to save the world. And, you know, between, I guess,

the climate stuff, and the goalposts keep moving, depending on what their agenda is. So there is no real agenda ever. It just gets created based on, you know, whatever the shadow government, which I think people don't even talk about as much now that Trump's in office. Now all of a sudden it's all become,

it's all melded into something. The WHO for me functions, I mean, I followed really closely what they were doing with the treaty, the WHO treaty, which you might know more than I do because I sort of checked out of all of these topics

that should have never been politicized. I mean, when you're politicizing medicine and farming and we know we're no longer, you know, none of us are free humans anymore. Once it's a, and the politics are just continuously funded

by one side. But the treaty, which I think got just got taken apart, but then it got hidden maybe into one of the UN treaties, maybe somewhere in the UN summit. They sort of hid all the WHO things, all the little pieces.

And then people were very concerned about why Trump was sitting with Bill Gates so much. And why is Bill Gates still a free man? And why is he allowed to go into India after all of that catastrophe that was caused there? And, you know, I think, what's happening right now is that people are completely confused by how we have voted for the maha of it all. We all followed Kennedy into the Lions Den because we knew that we had to,

sort of. And I would do it again. I would do it again. I would still vote for Trump, believe it or not. I still want, I don't care what people say. I still think that it was a bet. We would have been in the same place with less things happening where Kennedy is still trying to move things around as much as he can, even though those powers that be are still, they still have everyone in a stranglehold. I still think it was the better route. It bought us some time.

That was always my thinking is that at least this will buy us some time to maybe get something done as far as our health is concerned. because I think healthy humans can fight better, can think better, can not comply better. I think the more unhealthy we are, and I guess with hanta virus and Ebola. You know, the thing with the Ebola thing that really drives me insane. I don't know if I mentioned this to you before, but I don't know if it was Sherry Tempenny. I could be getting the name wrong, but there was a doctor early on. during COVID when the shots got rolled out for COVID.

And she went to the summit to they were all going to talk about what needed to happen next during the coronavirus. And it was a summit on the vaccines, on the COVID vaccines. And she said they never mentioned the COVID vaccine once. All they talked about was a Marburg vaccine, which is the Ebola vaccine. And she didn't understand why that was the topic of conversation. They broke for lunch before talking about whether or not they should allow pregnant women to take this shot. And they came back from lunch and said, yes, pregnant women should take this shot. They didn't even discuss the possibilities of a trial, you know, testing it at anything.

They just came back and said, yes, Ebola, vaccines for all pregnant women as well. And that was a reputable doctor. I know it was one of these ladies that were like really fighting during COVID. And I was really taken by that. And I thought to myself, and this was four years ago or three years ago, I was like, so Ebola's next. So now you have all these people from the WHO and Fauci and all these videos that you can find a smash up of the videos anywhere online saying the next pandemic will be. And the next pandemic is going to be worse. And we're going to be more prepared for the next pandemic, the next pandemic.

and here we are. So, land? Yes. Yeah. But what scares me is you just don't know if whatever they're going to throw out there is not a benign honta virus or anything that's benign that might be fake just to drum up fear, see if we comply. I mean, I heard with COVID that that was not supposed to happen until 2026.

And then it got leaked and then they had to run with it. So they weren't prepared. Now with this one, this is the new one where they're going to try to do their little depopulation or whatever the agenda is. I still can never figure out what the play is in any of these things aside from the depopulation thing and creating frank and people. But again, we are at such a handicap because information is in short supply. I mean, truth is in short supply. Let me do this. Let me take a quick break and we get back.

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Emmy Award winning actress. She's an enemy of the state. She's an Emmy award winner and an enemy. She talks shit about the state and she says that she's being canceled all over the place and sort of shadow ban, which I have no doubt. Oh, Susan wants to hear

about the shadow banning. Hang on a second. Hold on. Where have you been canceled? Oh, wait. Where have you been canceled? Or shadow band. A shadow band. Oh, my Instagram was taken away for three months. I mean, aside from always having at Shadow Band and always having hits against my account. And what's interesting is TikTok, and I don't really have a TikTok account, but I moved over

there, but when Instagram took me down, they gave me my account back. I did threaten them slightly. It was defamation of character nonstop. I mean, they were saying crazy things about me, but the automated AI that they would send me about why my account disappeared was wild stuff, you know? But TikTok has taken down every one of my post. with Nicholas Holshir, Dr. Nicholas from the wellness company. They take down my del big.

They do that to us too. They do that to us too. Nicholas Helcher? Yeah, no, because Nick, I know, but he has, he has studies that go contrary to the, the old prevailing wisdom, which is no longer the prevailing wisdom. We did. Strikes on TikTok all the time.

Yeah. Yeah, well, I don't have any followers. Mostly Instagram. Yeah, I was trying to grow. Did you try. I forgot it. Well, YouTube, I know. And we never really promoted the show because I, you know, I was just trying to see if I really wanted to do it, you know. So I was like, it's okay if nobody jumps overboard and starts watching. But we, I, you know, I've, I've come up against a lot of hatred for voting for Trump. That's the truth. I mean. What about Facebook? We have a following there too. They didn't take me down off of Facebook, which was weird. But I lost Instagram for. for three months, which was a lot because that's where my main fan base is.

But, you know, a lot of them is affiliated with Facebook. So it doesn't, it seems weird. I mean, I know. Well, let's, let's talk about what you're, what you were discussing that gets them going sideways. Other than Nick Holscher and his research, what else are you saying there? So we let our people here. We haven't gotten there yet. Like, you know, at first I set out to start the podcast to make sure that in the geoengineering world, because that's what I was talking about a lot, about the chem trails and stuff, which is, I knew it was going to gain more momentum. I just, the same way I knew COVID was bullshit is the same way I knew that this chem trails thing was about to get a lot of exposure. And I knew that they would try to push it into a space of

trying to normalize it, trying to say, we need this. The same thing with the farm bill, too. Like, we need this. We need the glyphosate. We need, I mean, we need, we need, we need, we need the pesticides. We need all of this stuff. We're going to normalize it, convince the public that without this, you know, society is going to collapse and then everybody is now getting poisoned to death. So the chemtrails, you know, the WHO, all of these things, all they all tie in for me. It's all about, you know, at this point, let's just pull out people's pineal glands and just let everybody just completely go brain dead. But so, the thing about ultra-free is you can be right, I can be free. We're not trying to be right. I don't

have an opinion on anything. All I've ever been doing is trying to get closer to the truth and asking questions. I don't care. You know, a lot of journalists know what's going on. They're 100% right about stuff, although I think that there's been a shift in, you know, the alt media where they don't necessarily know what's going on. But some, you know, even in the alt media now, everybody knows their right and they have an opinion and that's the only opinion. But for me, the goalposts keep moving. And I don't know how I feel one day. I might feel different another day. Like I don't like how people are condemning certain podcasters or journalists for changing their opinions. Like, oh, they must be getting paid by this. And it's like, no, maybe our opinions are changing because we're

more open-minded now. And, you know, anyone can look at my number is that, no, I'm not getting paid by anybody. I'll tell you what, though. I'll tell you what. I am, I don't mind people. I like people changing their opinions. I like people evolving. What I don't like is them denying the opinions they had. I saw Sanjay Gupta saying, I never said that vaccines wouldn't prevent transmission. Then there's all these videos now coming out of him saying exactly that. So please, I mean, just, it's important that you're honest about what you did so you can not do it again. So yeah, and go ahead and change. your opinions. That's a good thing. Yeah, and I saw, I know you've had an issue with worrying about our intelligence community. I saw a thing where the Congress is being now surveyed by the CIA,

and you made a comment about how the FBI can tell you, what was it, how many carjackings there been or something, but can't tell us how many children have been trafficked? Yeah, that was Nick Bryant, I think, said that. He deals heavily with Epstein Fire. files. He's dealing with it more on the trafficking side of children. And I am more interested, not that I'm not interested in that, but I think that the trafficking is going on for a very long time, milk cartons, everything, you know, in the past, what's in those files, I think, is way bigger than anything anybody could possibly understand. And I think it's going to go into a lot of a lot of the stuff that they're going to try to disclose with the alien stuff.

And I think that a lot of that stuff is going to be very confusing for a lot of people when it starts to come out. I know some of it's coming out. And that was another reason why we started the podcast because I'm super interested in that topic. I haven't gotten there yet. I've been dealing with the vaccine injuries and some other stuff. but for the most part, the spiritual aspect. And this is why I think Susan needs to start her other podcast again. Because I think that that is where we're headed.

And I think that, and it's funny, I had a dream about you guys last night because I had a hard time sleeping and I knew I was doing the show. I dreamt that you guys had this crazy compound and you were about to show it to me. And Susan and you both said to me, just don't tell people that you're getting messages from beyond. on your show. And I was like, what is that even about? Because I'm not, I think I was also reading about these military guys that a friend of mine sent me, these military guys that had left Germany and went and started investigating all this sort of alien stuff.

And they were getting messages from beyond. And I guess that was in my head. But you guys said that to me. It was anyhow, I think Susan needs to restart her. her show specifically so she can deal with your stuff because this is, Susan, can you do that? Maybe Dreya can be the host of my show. Yeah, do a special for Dreya. Well, Dreya, we got to wrap it up. It's always great. I miss you. We miss your, your boyfriend. I like him a lot. You guys are still together, right? Yes, as far as I know.

The new band with the new music, it is really something else. That's all I got to say about. Yes. Yeah. And hopefully we can get together with you guys soon and tell people where to go to hear the podcast, Ultra Free. UltraFree.com is our t-shirt company. Is that the right side? It's our T-shirt company.

Yep. And find all our links to go there. Easy. And the podcast? The podcast is there too? everything is in the t-shirt store. Yeah. Great.

Trey, great to see you. Thank you so much. See you soon. Thank you, go. Bye. Bye. All right. All right.

We'll hear you and talk to an investigative journalist. It's Sarah Westall. Caleb, by that, if Sarah is there, go to her before I go to the break. I'm going to go right now. We also are keeping an eye on the phone lines. If you have any questions, it's 18DR, no, 18333. 3-3-D-R-D-R-E-W or 833-337-37-39. After I talked to Sarah, any questions I'll open it up to.

But if you have anything related to what Sarah is going to be talking about. Amongst other things, she, too, is talking about censorship and cancellation. She has a lawsuit that reminds me of the Alex Berenson suit, but she'll tell us if that's true or not. You can follow Sarah on X, Sarah with an H underscore Westall to E-S-C-A-L, Sarah Westall at Substack and Sarah Westall.com. Sarah, thank you, welcome to the program. Thank you.

So am I correct that the Alex Berenson suit is similar to what you're going after? I think there's similarities, of course. There's the core of it where we were kicked off for the same reason. all of my material that was banned on YouTube was with PhDs and MDs during the COVID era. And we were, I was taken off. There's a group of us that ended up suing Google. I was taken off two weeks before the election. So I think it also had to do with the laptop.

But Alex Berenson just settled with the DOJ, which is excellent for our case because the DOJ just admitted to coercing the government. In my case, I'm suing Google and the federal government, but I have some additional things that I'm, that is different than Berenson. Like, such as? Like, I was going to wait for you to stay something. But I have defamation. I have all sorts of things. So they took me down in 2020, then let me back up for two days, then took me down again, switched it, claimed I was bullying and harassing people, which was.

but every single video that came down was, you know, doctors and MDs and things. And then they had all these fake. Actually, there was a fake channel that was up years that was been up since like 2001 or some or 2021. But there was four fake channels up. Two were monetized. One, as far as I can tell, the other one was posting a lot of my content. The one was posting all of my content. Meanwhile, they wouldn't let my own channel up. and I tried to get them to take it down. I talked to their customer service and they were they talked to me at first and then I told them what I was trying to do and then they ghosted me wouldn't talk to me anymore and then I went through their formal process I mailed with certified letters and email five different

divisions within Google and YouTube and I got one response saying we don't take down channels we only take down videos. And then I hired an attorney. At this point, this is when Jordan, the Spalding, King and Spalding letter came out and Google admitted to being coerced by the federal government. And so my attorney, because there was 15 of us that sued right after we all got taken down. And the 15 of us had more views than all of the mainstream media combined and on cable. We had more online. I feel like, I feel like, I feel. like Caleb, I don't know how you feel about this, but I feel like we should join Sarah Sue, this almost identical story to what we went through.

Well, there's so many people. And by the way, you have a host who's a physician who is talking to other peers trying to make sense of the craziness of COVID. And that was constantly, Caleb, jump in and tell me if I'm portraying this inaccurately. Absolutely, yes. It was definitely, every, every video, especially during those years, was being suppressed. Like, our channel was growing and getting millions of views. And you can see in our stats where it suddenly just tanks on YouTube

when somebody stepped in and put us in something like a sandbox where our videos were suddenly not being recommended. And then they kept slowly up allowing a little bit more, allowing a little bit more, but then at random times it'll just drop. And it's like a video that we could post

make it 1,000 views because nobody sees it in their feeds. That's right. And all of a sudden, you'll have a video that's popular, go like this, and then all of a sudden drop like a rock. Absolutely.

Yep. Yep. Because a human moderator noticed it. It got through whatever filter that they were trying to keep us out. It gets through and then they noticed it and then stop it from hitting the homepage in people's feeds. Yep. And then before that, they used to have, well, let me say the minute by minute they used to do. They no longer do that.

And to decrease your views, they used to do negative views. I'm almost positive because I would have minute by minute. And I'd have some minutes that had negative views on like some of the videos that weren't as popular. I'm like, how can you get negative views a minute by minute? So I knew they were Literally TikTok out of all of them TikTok is the worst Every single time I can post like a video

With a comedian on Drew's channel Every single time on TikTok It has a flag one second after the video is posted Saying that this video has to be reviewed first And then it takes a few minutes And sometimes they review it Sometimes it's just sitting there for days There's one video there that's just been sitting there for weeks

waiting to be reviewed That won't show in the feeds It begs the issue, what were you talking about? What kind of topics were you getting into? Did you learn something from those topics? And did they inevitably, as so much of this ended up being, inevitably end up to be accurate and true? Well, it was all COVID.

It was people with different opinions on COVID and almost the vast majority of it was true. I mean, it was true. And so I think there was a few that were exaggerated. They were a little nervous and they overstated some of the things. But the majority of it, I think, was just true. And the ones that exaggerated in the other way was way less than the people that were wrong in the mainstream media. Right, of course.

Of course. And for us, the people that we were being canceled for are now the director of the NIH, the head director of the FDA, the head of the HHS. these are people who were clearly correct and who were leaders in their field and who had a alternative opinion to what was going on at the moment and have been listened to would have been improved outcome for all of us. But at the time, that was all silenced. It was silenced. It was terrible. And the World Health Organization did an alliance with YouTube and all these things. But I was canceled everywhere. My website got taken down. I was taken off Twitter. I was taken off YouTube. It was horrible. My Patreon, I had 1,800

subscribers. Those were taken down. But get this, after I sent, I sent a letter, and then, for my attorney, and they ignored it. I sent another letter. They ignored it. And then all this porn star crap started coming up with my name on the front page of Google. Search. Sarah Westall, Pornstar Confessions, a whole bunch. I had people all around the country. I had a video done in another state to prove that it happened. So I've so many witnesses that saw this. I can't repeat some of the things that it said. It was, what was it was an obscure, gay male porn star conversations with my name next to, but it just said porn star confessions. Rumble, it were Rumble videos. Rumble is in a lawsuit with YouTube and Google, because they

won't post any of their videos, but suddenly videos with this obscurity, your porn channel comes up with my name next to it, plus some other stuff that was really bad. And then there was defamatory content about me. I didn't even know existed. I learned about videos that people were making about how I was such a blowhard and an idiot that I didn't even know existed. It was like, thank you, Google, for showing me this on your first page. And that was all up there. And after the four fake, you know, channels up on their, I was that, so now that was up there for at least two weeks. And then we finally just said, we're suing you. You know, this is just not okay. And now I'm in a lawsuit.

Are you by the fact of you said there were 10 of you or 15 of you that got canceled? Well, there was originally. No, there was a, the original attorney came back to the all of them. Sarmenta and was going to represent them in their case. And I hired Jeff Graber, who has, you know, working with some of the disinformation does in and with Mike Adams and some other people. And Jason Fike, he helps them. And I hired them separately to help me get my online presence cleaned up. And then she went to them and said, hey, I can help you guys, do all this stuff. But I don't think she really, I don't know what's going on there. But I'm moving forward. We were going to have somebody else join, but there, because I had all the defamation stuff at the time, we felt that it made

sense for me to go forward as it is with the stronger case. But now we have so many people reaching out. And I'm thinking, maybe we should do an amicus brief or something. There are so many people like you that are just, they're tired of it. And they're still being suppressed. And it's just not, it's not okay. Right. Well, certainly not okay if it's at the behest, even residually, at the behest of the federal government. Yeah, that is the problem here. If there is any, and I don't know how you prove that, but I'd happily join into that if you file an amicus brief. My goodness. We'll see. Hang on. Hang on. Hold your thought. Hold your thought. I'll take a break. We also have a call for you. I want to get to that also. So I'll let you finish your thought right after this.

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not even quite handshakes, true believers in the system that were spoken to by the government and are still true believers and are still doing their thing. That, that I still lay right at the foot at the federal government because their job is to find those people and stop them from doing that, not enhance their whatever delusional belief system they're in. I actually think this whole thing was a government operation. It's a censorship operation and I think it's still, and I still think it's happening. Well, my website was taken down GoDaddy. The employees were mortified. They said it was a federal crimes division that took it down. So they were told to take it down by

somebody in the federal government. And yeah, and who, I never got, that was five, six years ago now, five years ago. And I can't even count. And nobody has talked to me that whole time about something I've done that's wrong. It's like, come on.

That's not a simple thing to do. I've managed hundreds of websites over the past 20 years. That is not something. simple for them to go and get GoDaddy to take your website down. So that's a really key part of this. That's weird. That's what I mean. We're suing, yeah. Well, we're suing Google and the federal government. That needs to be added to the federal government aspect of it. But it's, for me, it was a unperson, I mean, just unpersoned across the board. And that, that's scary. If you can do that

to me, you can do that to anybody, just simply for questioning things. things. The porn star stuff, you know, that one bugs me more than it bugs. Like, you can talk to you guys. You're like, yeah, whatever. That was mortifying for me. I told me any check. Many of he laughed at me. I had videos made to, I had them circulated. And what happens is, this is to, first of all, after talking to you for 10 minutes, I can tell you're a criminal. So first of all, I understand why you have issues. You have that quality of criminality. Number one. Number two, number two, Number two is I'm really worried that these assholes know how to create bottom-up sort of hysteria. Bottom-up, you know, phenomenon, mass formation.

And it's the people that see those videos and then they go see, see what an asshole she is, and then amplify it. That's how this stuff really gets going. True. That's right. Yeah. She's an idiot. She deserves it.

Yeah. Well, something interesting, Drew, thinking about it from the bottom up, wouldn't it actually increase the level of panic and fear if the people who step out of line just keep getting suppressed because then it makes all the people who are interested in it start to think this goes way deeper than we even thought if YouTube can take Dr. Drew down like that might be an aspect of decreasing panic well I think I understand go ahead Sarah well I don't want to I was going to say I think it if Google we made the argument with over 400 pages that Jason Fike is the one that really put this together that the Ninth Circuit and the California

courts are misrepresenting section misreading section 230. They've pretty much turned it into a complete immunity for everything. So for decades, they were getting away with doing everything. Nobody could, they got dismissed immediately every single case, dismissed, dismiss, dismiss. So nobody can do anything. So now they have decades of feeling invincible. So then now, now, a porn star thing or something horrible can come up on the front page of Google search and they don't, they're not, it's okay, it can take months, nine, you know, they don't care that it's like that because they're never held accountable. And now in my case, in cases like this, if you're, if I end up, they dismiss this kind of stuff and you can just completely destroy somebody's ability to make money and to totally destroy the reputation and communicate, well, communicate the reputation. all sorts of things. What kind of chill message does that send? These companies are so powerful that even our First Amendment means nothing.

And they can destroy anybody they want with complete immunity. That's what is going on here. To be fair, I mean, the First Amendment does not really mean anything to them, although the culture of the First Amendment should. We've got to get Michael Gates. We got to get Michael Gates in general. I urge you to look at his candidacy because he might be able to help you if we can get him in the California, A.G.

I take this call from Chris. He's been waiting for a while. Chris, go ahead. Thank you. I all hope you're enjoying a pleasant afternoon. Earth is Eden. I have a question for Sarah. I wanted to if you see what I posted right now to the chat,

one thing I want to say is I want to invite everyone to talk piece like Team Drew is doing. this is what we need. We need discourse. We need conversation. We need people talking about things that are important to them, to their lives, to what they're doing. We need peace. If you want peace, you have to talk peace. Now, Sarah, I have a very interesting question for you. Please tell me, why did they go after you so hard? What is it about you? Look, I know you're a consummate professional, and you're very telegenic, and you're really smart. Why did they pick you to do this to. I've been watching you for years, please, inform me. Thank you for taking my question.

Thanks, Chris. Gosh, that's a really great question. That's what I was asking. That's what I was asking about who you talked to and what they talked about. And that's why I was making fun of you is about the criminality. Because none of the, you know, and you said it. You said they can take out Sarah Westfall. They can take out anybody. Take out you. But go ahead and answer Chris's question. Well, that's the question I've asked many times. But, you know, I've asked Eddie Conner, that because it's like, who do I ask? How do I find this? You know, I have a big tech background. I was in the forefront of technology, so I was responsible for, you know, the system design and

development at Enterprise, which we had upwards of 90% of the backbone of the internet back in the early days. So I have a deep data and a data analysis. I was responsible for the data model of the internet stuff back then. So I have a deep background that way. I also was the first to bring forward blackmail. I coined the term blackmail as a currency of the powerful. I, you know, I think I'm ahead of people and then I'm doing it in a way that that reaches people. I come across as a normie, maybe, instead of somebody that is eccentric, that can't reach people. But that question is so great because you wouldn't believe how many times I've asked that. You know, I look at other people who are getting millions of views on their YouTube channel doing the same.

kind of questions I am and I honestly don't know because I other than what I just said, you know, maybe because of that, it doesn't, you guys could answer it maybe better than me. I mean, I gave you what I know. I don't know. You know, I'm at a bet, you know, when I just sort of think instinctively about our experience and other people's similar experience, if you just get, if you just happen to talk to the wrong person who happened to be in the crosshairs on that particular day or week, that'll do it. And then they just build a case from there. They just build a case from there. And you're not towing the line. You're dangerous. We caught you. We saw you. You talked to J. Badacharya. It's over or something. You know, remember the language that was

used back then. How dare you platform? How can you platform somebody like that? That is a word that I want expung English language. I want everybody to have a deep sense of disgust by people who use that word. It was invented during COVID. It means shit other than we're taking away First Amendment rights from people we don't like or agree with. Yes. Although they do platform some people and they don't platform us. I mean, you can agree though.

Let's replace it with the word. host because the word platform was invented out of thin air. It was used as a pejorative and it was used to justify canceling. And I saw what it was happening in real time. It was disgusting. So you're a journalist, you're an investigative journalist. How do we investigate all this? What do we do? Is it all up to the lawyers now and the discovery process? Or can you do something as a journalist to uncover all this stuff so it doesn't happen again. Well, I think that we need to bring light to it. We absolutely need to get to discovery.

We need the discovery. And we need to show the filters that are on all of our accounts. We need to show that it's a cross-platform and that the government's still involved. I don't know how better my case could be with the DOJ admitting to coercion, with Google admitting to being coerced, with... them putting up my channel for two days, taking it back down, making up all these different things. I don't know how much lying at the Ninth Circuit and then coming back. I don't think that you could have a better evidence against them. And we're going to see if the courts can

get there. I don't think it's just the First Amendment case. Our case is actually antitrust, meaning that you're not allowing somebody to make a living and do business. And you're deciding. That's interesting. Well, that's a new. That's a different way of approaching this. That's very interesting. You're, yeah, you are deciding who can make a living and who can't. And we have a quantifiable. I know that I lost at least $7.5 million during that time period,

not to mention any kind of opportunities on top of that, that, you know, and the additional subscribers and everything else. So, yeah. So how has your, having been through this ridiculous, how has your view, I mean, you're journalists, So you must have putting the pieces together here. How has your ideas about our federal government, about the world we're in right now,

have they changed? I think that our federal government is at war with itself and its people. I think there's multiple factions. And I think that we also, big tech is the largest industry we've ever seen in the history of the world, they're global. And I think that,

But as much as whatever you think of Alex Jones or not, he was right about it being a globalist takeover. Were you of that mindset before all this happened to you? Or is that a complete pilling, black pilling, let's say, of your positions? Well, this has been some time now, but I think it just keeps confirming it. You know, I did a series on mind control and fifth generation warfare about four years ago, three years ago now, where I just like, this is going to get really bad. And all the different methods from all different perspectives. And I had university professors on there with me.

I had all sorts of people that were really good people coming on, lawyers and NASA scientists and talking about what they can do to control us. And that probably didn't help my case with censorship, but it's true on the power of this media. And I think people are starting to catch up now and that general public is starting to catch on. And I think that is fantastic. But like let's look at Google, just Google. Google is now tied with Apple as the second largest company behind Navidia, which Navidia, I think, is a, it's a manufactured boom. I honestly think that the AI and the data structures is data centers is a wartime-like boom, wartime mobilization that we're going through.

So we're looking at civilian and military architecture being intertwined like we've never seen before. And so you can't separate out what they're doing from military architecture. And that's part of our issue right now, too. And so we have to figure out how to deal with that. But you look at just Google, and they are dominant on five continents in some countries. They have 100% of the market in many countries. In our country, we're fortunate that it's only 90% or 88%. But the DC court, the court system, federal court, is already ruled that their search algorithms are already a monopoly.

Right? So we're dealing with some pretty serious situations globally and how do we keep our somerity. Yeah, well, that's going to get usurped by AI and quantum computing and all this stuff. It's good. This, the search engine will be a thing of the past soon enough, I suspect. But it does. That's why the race for AI dominance. Well, for sure. And if you saw Kevin O'Leary's thing where he was trying to put a data center together, and got all this pushback. I forget what state he was in, but he started digging where this was being funded.

It's overseas. It's dark money from overseas, China, whatnot. And if that's what's going on, I mean, that's the part that even has me more concern these days, which is that we have so many useful idiots that are piling on to the, mind control work of people that are stirring them up against bogeyman that they should be participating with and embracing, it's really awful. That's the part that I find just reprehensible.

Well, we should get rid of the Smith-Mut Act part where they say it's okay for the government to do propaganda against its own people. For sure. And you can't have that in place and suppress voices who are challenging the government at the same time. Otherwise, you're completely screwed. That's a great place to stop. That's a great place to stop. Is anybody, is there anyone,

is there a movement to try to unravel that act? Not that I know. There needs to be. I think people are so divided, so chaotic. There's so much, I think people are frazzled and there isn't a focused attempt. I do real. They're probably small groups, but nothing massive.

We need a Spencer Pratt against the Smith-Mont Act. Maybe that person will emerge. Maybe it's you. Maybe it's you. So I'm just saying. Just saying. Let's witness. Alex Bereson's case this last week, the DOJ emitting formally to coercing the social

media companies, that's a big deal. That was a huge win for the people. Yeah. He knew. He knew people like you and others would benefit. So, well, listen, I do appreciate you being here and sharing the story with us. I want to keep track of it. I also want to hear more about the persuasion, mind control stuff.

I don't know if we should. Absolutely. You could maybe recommend some people or maybe come back and talk about that particularly because I feel like, yeah, that I found myself reading, you know, Le Bonn's book about mobs, about the true believer book, about true believers, and who they are, and how that works. And of course, Matias Desmetz has been very important in terms of creating the psychology of totalitarianism and how the bottom up, you know, 20% that influences so much can really bring untold misery upon other humans. Well, Sarah, thank you. Where do you want people to go?

Support the loss. So we really need help with that. We're starting to raise money to help fund it. Go to Sarah Wessel.com slash lawsuit. That goes to the Givesend Gold page, but Sarah Westall.com slash lawsuit. Sarah, thanks so much for being here. Thank you. Appreciate it.

You got it. Take care. All right. So we are traveling this week. Full disclosure, we're going to. Somebody's staying at our house. Yes, yes, yes, yes. There'll be people here.

And alarms on and blah, blah, blah. Thank you. But I want to thank Zach Brown from the McLaren team for setting us up for somewhat we're going to go through next week. Here's what's coming up. Is that tomorrow I'm looking? Yeah, 27th. John Lott, Andy Ross, Drew Thomas Allen.

And then Dr. Victory is going to sit in with Steve Kirsch for me. That should be really interesting. Kira Davis on the 4th. Kelly Victory coming back again on the 9th. And then I think the 16th, I'm already back. Gad's sad. Andrew Yang, lots of great guests coming. What did you think about Sarah's case and whether or not we should get involved in any kind of formal way?

You're asking me or Susan? I'm asking you. Yeah, the angle that she's coming at it is very, it's different from the others. That's the interesting part. And I don't think I've seen a prominent case yet, the antitrust angle of them interfering with her. basically interfering with her business. And she's also roping in not only YouTube, but also the Google search results at the same time,

where it's kind of like Google just hung her out there just to, they're just going to let everything run free. And what I really want to know is, why did they make her such a target? That doesn't make sense to me, especially if you get GoDaddy involved to take down someone's domain, that's a much harder process to do

than it is to get a YouTube channel suspended. She must have been over the target. She must have been over the target. Susan said it exactly right. Yeah, we've got to, to figure out who it was she was talking to or what was so sensitive to what she said. Maybe she was getting, pushing hard on leak or something, you think? Yeah.

If you push hard on this, yeah, we didn't really push hard on that. We just thought, we don't know. But it seems like a reasonable possibility. But the lab leak opens the whole gain of function stuff up. You know, immediately that's where that goes. So I'm wondering if that is the issue. It could be. Hopefully they've learned their lesson by now

that suppressing stuff only causes a stricand effect. It just makes an enormous amount of new podcasters that focus specifically on what are they trying to hide from us by censoring these people who should not have been censored. It's such a weird time, but here we are right in the middle of it. All right. I mean, we're still kind of shadow banned by YouTube.

YouTube and TikTok, for sure. Facebook came back. So that all got cleared up. And yeah, TikTok is just, it's hit or miss. But I'd actually rather they just let us go than having to go into a lawsuit. I'd just rather like, let us, let us be free. That's what we're fighting for here. Freedom of speech, freedom of, you know, movement.

And hopefully encouraging other people. Run by the CCP. So they, you can only say so much. I knew that would come up. But I, you know, just like I, this is just by way of, this is not meant. to be truly, am I going to say this without seeming. We have,

we live in a community. It's very adjacent to the Armenian community. We have, some of our dearest friends are Armenian. We're intertwined with Armenians everywhere. But I always make a joke that if you meet a new Armenian, if you're introduced to somebody with, it was Armenian,

how long before they mentioned the genocide? The longest, the record is 10 minutes. for Susan, it's, you talk to her, how long before she mentions the CCP. She's the same. It's just a comparison I was making. But before everybody was saying the same thing, I was saying it.

Yes. And everybody's going, oh, come on. It's not like you've been wrong. And it's not like our Armenian friends aren't justified in bringing it up. It's just a thing that you do and they do. And we love them. I love you either way.

And I love them also. My dear friends. So, here we go. We're going to wrap this up. We appreciate you all being here. Let me quickly look at the stream. By the way, if you wanted to call right now, now it would be the time I will go to you.

If a call comes through, the restream got no much on it. Who is CBNP? Safe and effective, safe and effective. You know, it's interesting. I was trying to adjust my thinking about the early days of COVID. I think we've gone too far with people saying it was nothing, it was nothing. It was not nothing. Let's be clear. It was not nothing. It was a serious illness. It was nasty.

It was extremely contagious. Doesn't, doesn't haunt a virus show you how much more contagious COVID was. I mean, it's not contagious. But I don't want us to take the position that it was nothing. It was a very serious outbreak. Thank God it morphed into Omar. maybe we'll learn more about how that happened. But within six to nine months, it was essentially over. The excesses are what happened subsequently and the mandates around vaccines to people that should not have been mandated to take it. That's really what we need to focus where things were really, really, really out of control.

People getting vaccines who needed it, great. At what risk? We didn't fully know at the time, but I feel like it accomplished something for 80, 85-year-olds. and Delta and Alpha were nasty, nasty, nasty illnesses. Omicron was a different disease. Since the subsequent, particularly, the variants had been around the last 18 months or so, it's not even anything any longer. But let's not confuse the virus that's going around now.

It's the one that hit us in 2020. All right. That's all I'm going to say. Let's see if anybody's going to call. Caleb's trying to get people to call if they want. I'm telling that person. Try to call in tomorrow because I would, it would be, come on, come defend your points. Come say it on the air.

Sure. It's free speech platform here. You want to say that Omicron still kill people? Yes, but Omicron did not, did not kill young people. It did not. Omicron, I don't know CBNP, how many cases you treated, but I treated many, many, and Omicron was an entirely different illness. and then the subsequent variants were just were nothing.

They were really mild. Occasionally people get seriously ill from the Omicron variants, nobody died. And the vaccine we're providing is not against the variants that are circulating and not being proved. But the slogans are, oh, it reduces hospitalization. It doesn't seem to. It doesn't seem to. Not against the more recent subtypes.

No, CBNP did not kill. It killed young people with existing serious lung disease, things like that. But young healthy people, the vaccine did more damage than the drinking males in their 20s. Zero risk of death for young, healthy 20-year-old male. All right, we're going to wrap it up right here. We will see you next time. Tomorrow, 4 o'clock. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky.

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