Ask Dr. Drew - H1B, Epstein & Attacks on MTG & Massie: Has Trump Lost MAGA’s Support? w/ Mark Mitchell (Rasmussen Reports), Elaine Culotti, Joel Kotkin & Emilie Hagen – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 558

Episode Date: November 22, 2025

H1B visas… Epstein flip-flopping… Truth Social attacks on allies Marjorie Taylor Green & Thomas Massie… it hasn’t been a great week for MAGA and President Trump. As the President faces overwhelming backlash from his own followers – now at a breaking point after constant delays of his campaign promise to release the Epstein files – the administration is scrambling to reunite his base before midterms. Will the release of the Epstein files, now passed by the House and Senate, finally restore Trump’s reputation in the eyes of his most dedicated voters? Mark Mitchell is the Vice President of Operations at Rasmussen Reports, overseeing polling strategy and data analysis for the organization. Learn more at https://rasmussenreports.com/ Joel Kotkin is a scholar of global, economic, and urban trends, serving as the Roger Hobbs Presidential Fellow in Urban Futures at Chapman University. He is the author of numerous books including The Coming of Neo-Feudalism. Follow at https://x.com/joelkotkin Elaine Culotti is an entrepreneur, designer, sustainable farmer, and former star of Undercover Billionaire. She now advocates for improved wildfire response and infrastructure in California. Follow at https://x.com/lipstickfarmer Emilie Hagen is an independent journalist who reports on emerging political and cultural stories. She is known for her work on Emily Knows Everything on Instagram. Learn more at https://instagram.com/emilyknowseverything and at https://emiliehagen.substack.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Then Elaine Kulati, entrepreneur, designer, sustainable farmers, former star of undercover billionaire. She advocates for improved wildfire response. Guess what? She's been through it. And we will get into that with her. You can follow her on Lipstick Farmer on X. And then Emily Hagan comes back to tell us about her experience with Representative Massey and what it is going on presently in the Capitol.

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well you can follow rasmussen at least rasmussen with an e n underscore poll mark welcome back thank you for being here yeah really great to be back a lot going on there's a lot going on and uh i saw you on what's his name show he was uh going off on how excited he was to talk to you shoot, I'm blanking on his name. In any event, some of you what you were reporting on was on Trump's polling. So give us that. What's his approval rating doing? Well, we're an independent poll, sir, and we're the only one that does a daily presidential approval and right direction wrong track.

And so we see the numbers respond to how things are going on in the news. And what's kind of weird is that Donald Trump's approval rating is not that bad. He's only underwater five points right now if you take approval and minus disapproval. it's net negative five. And that actually puts him higher in our polling than any of the prior presidents going back to Obama's first term. But what was kind of weird

is that just a few weeks ago, his polling cratered down to negative 10 almost. And it was right on election day. And then you had this situation where Republicans underperformed what people expected in New Jersey and Virginia. And the message there, I think, is a very stark message for Donald Trump,

which is just because you're doing okay and just because you're having a lot of wins, the messaging matters and how you work with the Republican Party matters. And what happened is that Donald Trump picked up a lot of Democrat crossovers and independent voters just a year ago. That's how he won. And those people did not turn out for Republicans. And so one of the things that often happens on the right is when they overperform in the polling,

there's not a lot of introspection about why. And right now they're governing with a traditional Republican conservative model that doesn't really fit younger voters and doesn't inspire people to go out in the polls. And that's a tough message because Donald Trump right now looks like he's shaping up to lose the house in the midterms.

The generic ballot polling is not very good and it's going to get worse, in my opinion. I've seen some others put out some pretty bad polls. Marist's probably not right, but he has Democrats up 14 points. Rich Barris, People's Pundit, put out Democrats up eight. So that means probably that when the Democrats get in,

you're staring down the barrel of an Epstein commission, maybe some more impeachments, maybe people investigating things like Twitter and cracking down on free speech. And the legislative agenda of the Trump administration is going to be shot. Like, that's it. No more. So two things. How in this world and in this administration in particular can you predict it's going to get worse? How can you predict anything, frankly, in this world right now, number one.

And number two, if it does get worse, what do you recommend for them? Well, really, they need to understand why they were truly elected and put together, in my opinion, a plan that Republicans can actually address legislatively. Again, Trump has done a lot of positive things that speak to his agenda and the things that his base wanted, like deporting a whole lot of people, finishing the wall. You know, he's doing the best he can to try and end the wars and make deals with people overseas, do the tariffs. Like, people were okay with that. But he's talking now about prices, and people were concerned about prices. But the situation that we really have is that people have been squeezed out of the housing market. They can't afford to start families.

People under 50 really have it hard. I mean, we have polling that shows that it's only in the 20s, the percent of people who think today's children will be better off than their parents. People think that the housing crisis under 40 has reached crisis levels. And you see these reports coming out, like right around Election Day, too, the National Association of Realtors. First-time homebuyer age, 41 years, over 40 for the very first time. So our economy is asking young people to get out of college and work for 18 years before they can even get into a house. How are we going to get to replacement levels of procreation here? Like this is catastrophic for the future of the country and the dollar, and nobody's really addressing it.

And then you have Trump talking about turkey prices. That's not adequate. They don't want a 30 cent cut in gas prices. It's not really going to address the fundamental aspects of, We kind of have a ruling party, uniparty, cleptocracy slash oligarchy that has squeezed a lot out of the American middle class. And so my advice to them was, listen, if you don't fix this as a Republican, the Democrats are drifting towards democratic socialism. Even the under 40 voters that voted for Trump, there's a lot of polling that shows they have a lot of socialistic tendencies. And if the right doesn't have an answer for it, the left does.

they will get Democrat socialists into office, and they're going to pass things like massive $10 trillion bipartisan housing crisis bills that will probably appease a lot of younger voters, but they'll probably also raid the treasury and collapse the dollar and create even more inflation. So what is the rights acknowledgement of the actual problems that we have, the deeper fundamental flaws of our modern capitalism, which looks a lot like corporatism and corporate welfare. And how are they going to address it in a pragmatic way? They don't seem to have a solution. And the messaging coming out of the optics coming out of the Trump administration is, well, he's surrounded by a lot of billionaires. And so they have to fix that. And they got a

year. What about this under 40 voter? You told me before the mics heated up that they are brutal. What can you tell us about them? Yeah. So they are not idealistic at all. You speak values and conservatism or socialism. You know, they say free market capitalism. They like it. But then we asked a whole lot of questions about socialistic policies. And even the ones who say they voted Trump agree with that. Things like three quarters of the Trump voters under 40, one nationalized major industries like health care energy and tech, 56% of the Trump voters under 40 agree that they should have excess wealth confiscation in order to have first-time homebuyer programs, like things like that. the ones that voted for Trump

are pretty much split on whether they would support a Democrat socialist and so you have to understand what these people want which is not ideology they just want clown world fixed and what was fascinating and nobody noticed and I was screaming about it at the time was that at the end of February

Donald Trump's approval rating with voters under 40 was at 60%. These are people that went to Hillary Clinton by over 20 points and that's like alarm bells crazy like why Republican should have dropped everything and understand exactly what was happening then. And what was happening is that Doge was at its peak.

You can look at Google search trend volume and it's to the week. People were searching the word Doge most. That's when Donald Trump's approval rating under 40 was highest. And it was also a week after he said that Napoleon quote about he who saves his country violates no laws. So that's the kind of energy these people want. And time and time again, I've looked at questions like, hey, here's Arctic Frost. How big of a problem is that? Well, 80% of people under 30 say it's very serious,

and they're the highest people of all the age cohorts that say it's serious, and they're the most wanting of those people to go to jail. It was like 59 to 19 among the 18 to 29s, and they also want the judges impeached. They just want this stuff fixed. And so you had Donald Trump getting a 60% approval rating with young voters. It crashed down at 35% on election day, and who do they like now?

They have a 62% favorability rating of Mom Donnie. So you can say, well, he's socialist and it's bad and it's going to ruin the country. They don't really believe that. They don't really care. They don't want to hear these boomer values. And I think there's an aspect of the fourth turning here of a changing of the guard from like a value set and institution set that's been very, very prevalent for the last couple of decades. 60% of our elected national leaders are boomers.

Well, in the next 10 years, it's going to be millennials. So there's going to be a really, like, disruptive changing of the guard. Why doesn't he do some more doge-like action, you know, in terms of, I don't know, bringing somebody smart in to solve, you know, work on the housing thing, get a giant building thing going or something, something where it's, you know, looks like he's moving towards helping with that problem? So I'm a DC outsider and I try to meet people and talk and ask. what's really going on. And, you know, I think Doge came in, and it kind of filled a little bit of a vacuum. Elon Musk was very, very committed to this program, and people were buying what he was selling, especially the younger voters. And yet, right around the time when the debt ceiling got, the can got kicked, and then they started writing the one big beautiful bill, he definitely took a backseat.

And I think there's an aspect of they wanted a legislative win. They didn't want him interfering with a one big beautiful bill. But unfortunately, in my opinion, what it looks like is that they had their own George Soros for about six months and they got rid of them because it was, you know, troublesome for the D.C. status quo. People don't like the D.C. status quo. It pulls horribly. It pulls. They hate Congress. They hate business as usual. But Republicans were pretty quick to embrace business as usual. And so they could try it again, but they, I mean, they kind of gave up on it. And right now, what it seems like is, again, Donald Trump's doing a lot of good things, but he's counter signaling

himself. He's kind of throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. So he'll talk about like economic, populist things one day. And then the next day, he's going to praise H-1Bs and be, you know, talking to global billionaires about all these big investment deals. For things like AI, well, the youth are concerned that AI is going to take their job. So you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot there. So again, they need more intention. They need more strategy. They need to build. Like he said fight, fight, fight. And I think a lot of people looked at that when he was shot. and projected a lot of what they wanted, fought for onto him. But I don't think anybody really sat down and said,

well, here's the fight, fight, fight plan for America and how we're going to address the fundamental flaws, which are the economy's been hollowed out. You got a generation that's done very well and every other generation is suffering. You know, our jobs were sent overseas. You have the H-1Bs flooding, high-paying jobs. You have the border, obviously.

And then also, we were promised to drain the swamp 10 years ago. It was super popular. Everybody loves it. Look, what's been done? Like, nothing's been done. There's been no visible process of institutional reform. And this, in my opinion, explains why the Epstein thing is such a big deal. And I said it was a big deal three months ago.

Nobody listened to me. When you have people questioning the FBI, well, it's because the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago. Everybody, it was like 53% of America said they were Joe Biden's personal Gestapo. And then he just put somebody else in charge of the Gestapo. We still have a CIA where 41% of the people think it killed the sitting president. And so you can say transparency and you can unveil these things to people, but you're just validating to them how bad it was. And so real rebuilding of trust needs to be a visible process where we walk through.

How did this happen? Who was involved? We got rid of them. What are the steps to make sure this never happens again? And again, the window is closing. And really, none of that has... happened at all, in my opinion. How is Marjorie-Taylorid Greenfaring with your polling through all this Epstein stuff for Massey?

I haven't done her district, but I've seen other numbers, and she's going to win. You know, I think the people that vote for her say, well, you know, she's representing us. We're her constituents, and she should be speaking. And if that means going against the president, then, you know, that might be popular in her district. But what I can tell you from a national perspective, again, Trump should be fight, fight, fighting for America, not fight, fight, fighting his own party. And so for him to, again, I don't like that maybe that they're the votes that blow up something that could be popular for America.

But then the idea to make them the target of so much wrath and then level what will be tens of millions of dollars to take out people in your own party when that money could be spend expanding the maga base. in bluish states where they're running terrible establishment candidates and they're going to get crushed and nobody learns about how the right can bring pragmatic economic populism as a common sense response to what will be literally socialism eventually. It seems like he has gotten himself in so, like his plan is to bring money stateside. To bring as much money to as much jobs and as much autonomy back to the, the, the, the, the, the,

this continent. And his thinking, it seems to me, he expects that's going to drive the economic recovery. And if he can, the faster you can bring money in here, the more he can do, the better it's going to go. But in the meantime, he's in all these international entanglements. And he's got to, you know, defend his sort of partners in this process of bringing money here. It's going to be a high wire act, it seems to me, particularly with the midterms looming. Yep. They have, Very little time left. I think next year only has 95 days on the legislative calendar before the midterm elections. And I just, I haven't seen really a mea culpa out of the Republicans, like really any signaling.

Like Mike Johnson came out November 12th a year ago. Four. That we are working with the president to provide legislative solutions. There's a lot of things that you could do that Americans want. And they're not going to get through Congress because there's a 60 vote filibuster limit. but you look at things like just voter ID or paper ballots, like these things are super popular among both parties. And election integrity reforms,

there are bills that have been written. They're not going to get addressed by Congress. And so Republicans are probably going to pass one reconciliation bill. They're probably going to message it poorly. Nobody's going to understand what was in it. You know, the Democrats are going to be like, oh, look, it's super terrible. And what you have is Republicans, again, they have their reasons, but they're defending essentially this stupid Senate rule.

And they're using what aboutisms in order to defend it when Donald Trump's out there, like, pleading with them for America to just nuke the filibuster and let's get real bills. Like, that should be the plan for Republicans. Look, government can work. We pass laws for you. They're not stuffed with 3,000 pages. They got Epstein through the Senate in like three hours. I'm angry that they were able to do that because it shows that they can do that. I didn't know that was possible.

So look, they've shown their hand. You can do it. Now, do it. Mark, I really appreciate you being here as always. It was Steve Bannon that was celebrating over your material. So I enjoyed seeing him enthusiastically enjoy your appearance as we do here. And we appreciate you sharing the numbers. And the numbers are the numbers.

They speak for themselves, as we always say. Yeah, great to be here. Yeah, we had a good time with Steve talking about the fourth turning. People should read that book. It's happening now. I read it I have to tell you though I couldn't tell

it's very hard to tell the timing is very nebulous right on when it's going to occur and how it's going to occur and exactly what it's going to look like is completely obscured by that book and they they go so far as to say

there's going to be a crisis you're not going to like it and then something's good is going to come out of it well I'll give you a two examples I've been through a bunch of crises Yeah, well, this one's going to change everybody's values. Everybody wants order, but order is a pull process, not a push process. You can't preach conservatism at people and expect them. So what happens is, again, something will happen.

Who knows what it is, but when things get crazy, crazy stuff happens. But if you look, what's going to happen is that there will be an age break and a new generation of leadership will step up. And so I think Israel was the leading edge of this. And it's not Israel's fault. But if you look at the Israel polling from 20 years ago, there was no age signal at all. But now very recently, the 18 and 29s are completely different than the 65 and older's on the issue of Israel. And obviously, it's because they're consuming different news. But part of it is because Israel, in my opinion, represents one of a very established value sets of the boomer generation.

And essentially, the kids are just rebelling against their elders. And you're going to see a lot more of that. I think you're going to see it on NATO. And I think the 16, I think 16 to 25 is where it's really going to come in because those are the ones we damage with the lockdowns and all that nonsense. And they should, they're going to be, when they wake up to what's been done to them, they are going to be really angry and good for them. All right, Mark. Thank you so much. Yeah, great to be here.

You got it. See you soon, I hope. Bye, bye, Joe. Next up. No, that was Mark. Joel. He sounds like Joe Rogan. Oh, that's right.

Joe Logan. And something's happening with my restream where, I mean, my restream chat. where like it's not something's wrong i don't know if they're having some issues over there kaleb or what's going on but let me um it's not many people there maybe i'm not signed in or something joel cotkin let me talk about him first here joel can be followed uh on x at joel cotkin uh also joel cotkin dot k-i-n uh as i had explained joel is a scholar global economic and urban trends He is the Roger Hobbs Presidential Fellow in the Urban Futures at Chapman University. Many books, including the coming of neo-feudalism.

It will tell us what that is. And he, there it is. We may start with that. He also is making note of some of the things that Farid Zakaria was saying, I think, yes, there he is. Freed Zakaria on CNN about Democratic leaders in the blue cities. Joel, welcome. Nice to be here. Pleasure to have you.

I think since we made a point of putting the book up, we ought to discuss what is neo-feudalism. Well, neo-feudalism is an idea that I came up with. My background is in history. And what I really was saying is we're in the danger of repeating what happened during the feudal era where there's tremendous concentration of wealth and power and fewer and fewer hands.

Upward mobility is very difficult. People kind of stuck where they are. And what we may end up with at the end, and I'm writing a piece for unheard about this now, we may end up with the vast majority of the population being essentially beneficiaries of what Karl Marx called the proletarian arms bag. In other words, you're going to have people who are going to really be unable to support themselves.

They will demand a certain amount of regular income. And this is really a lot of what you see with Mandami, which is, you know, well, we're not going to grow the economy, but we're going to take money from the rich people, and so you can have rent control and free buses and grocery stores and free health care. and I can understand how that's happening because people look at this enormous concentration of wealth and power at the very top of society and it doesn't matter, frankly, who's present. You know, the economic and technological forces

are infinitely more important than the political ones. Now, I think about feudalism as a social order maintained, And yes, by concentrations of wealth, but really concentrations of violence, right? Right. These people would buy, they were warlords ultimately, weren't they? Yeah, oh, definitely. I mean, we're not, again, you know, I don't expect to see Mark Zuckerberg, you know, dressed up in a, in chain, you know, in chain mail.

You know, there are different ways. I think Woody Guthrie once said that, you know, some people rob you with a, with a gun and some people rob you with a fountain pen. And we're now in the founding 10 era. Yes. But I do worry that there will be some sort of, I mean, these back and forth backlashes, which are kind of speaking of history inevitable,

that they tend to get more and more aggressive. Yeah, well, I think part of it is, and I think, you know, your previous speaker definitely identified some of it. You have a whole generation coming up now whose chance to have, in quote, the American dream, own a house, start a business, actually do better than their parents. All those things are going in the wrong direction. And I think people, this younger generation, now they're not all going to be socialists. I mean, you're going to see more of that in a place like New York. But they're angry.

They're angry on the right. angry on the left. They didn't like Biden and they don't much like Trump. And so, you know, the question is, how do we address this issue? And I think neither party has a decent solution. I would say the Republicans government say, oh, we have to go back to, you know, free markets. Well, you know, how much of a free market is that if the vast majority of the wealth is controlled by a small group of people. I don't necessarily think that's going to be useful. And I see conservatives say, oh, there really isn't massive inequality.

Well, anybody who looks at the numbers knows that's true. They're big excuses. Well, because of welfare payments, you know, transfer payments, it's not as bad as it might look. But, you know, the ownership of assets is increasingly concentrated. So you've got, you know, you've got the Republicans who, I think, I think as your last guess, I seem increasingly just clueless, not understanding these issues. In a way that I think in 2016, Trump did have a good take on it. And then you've got the Democrats, and half the Democratic Party is sustained by money from the same oligarchs.

And then you've got this sort of nutty, mandami, you know, they call them socialists. but if you really look at what he believes in, it's really Marxist-Leninist-Lenin's third world socialism. It's not Swedish socialism. It's not, you know, Pat Brown, social democracy. It's not Harry Truman. It is something that really is not particularly native to this country, but has been inculcated, particularly in the highly educated classes,

and is something that if it ever came, to pass, I think, would be catastrophic. So what is the solution? So I'm writing something, actually, I'll be out, I'll be finishing it tomorrow. I think we need to revisit social democracy in the old sense of it, using government to put money into infrastructure, grow the economy, deal with some of the inequality, and equal. but not in a way that says, well, we're going to take all the money from the oligarchs

and we're going to take all the money from the wealthy. That will just discourage growth. I think the important thing is, how do we use government policy in a way that helps the middle and working class do better? I think any party that comes up with that solution will do well. So I want to stop you and sort of point out that I agree with you, everything you said,

except the anger that people are feeling on both sides is really a function of the incompetence and the grifting, right? It's not the centralization exclusively if they got their damn jobs done. A perfect example of this is Karen Bass here, a city of Los Angeles, says, oh, LA Times writes a scathing article about the fact that the firemen were asked to stand down after the first fire broke out. And she goes, absolutely, this is terrible. I'm going to put a committee together to talk about this.

This state does nothing, nothing except talk. Talk committees, talk committees. And then you have $91 billion of fast rail between two cities nobody cares about and not a single track is laid down. This is the incompetence and then the inability to untangle the regulatory, totalitarian regulatory state. It's just these two things. The inability to put people in place that are competent

and then the inability to deregulate so these competent people can do their job. It just seems like, and then part of that sort of the corollary again still is the swamp in Washington. This is what everybody's angry about. You're right, if they could do some, if I trusted that the government

could do a massive airport renovation or something, that took them 10 years to put together the people mover in the LAX because why? Because of environmental impact because of regulation, because, because, because and even then, even though our mayor says, I'm going to roll it back, we're going to have some way of efficiency way

of getting the building permits out. Four houses are built in the Palisades in the meantime. Nobody can build. And the coastal commission is on top of the buildings so you can't do anything even if you could get the permits. So how do we solve this incredible incompetence crisis? Well, I think the bottom line is you have to have people who are committed to doing things in a competent way

and not being dominated by what many people call the groups, you know, the greens, parts of organized labor, all the big nonprofits. But can we do it? Well, I think, you know, in Florida, they seem to be getting things done relative. relatively efficiently. And I know that here in California, where I've lived for, again, over 50 years, what I experienced after the L.A. earthquake with Mayor Reardon, and they were able to get the freeway back up in record time. The capacity to do things is there.

The willingness and the political courage to do it is not. I mean, you have someone like Gavin Newsom who is basically a chameleon and will change from one thing to the other. He's not going to challenge the powers in the Democratic Party, particularly as he wants

to be president. Karen Bass is the prisoner of the public employee unions. She's not going to do things efficiently either. So the problem is we need sort of almost a new kind of government consciousness. Not

get rid of government and leave the market to do everything because I don't think that will work but there has to be a very different consciousness about how things get done and the only way you really can do that is to break the power of public employee unions and the groups

and right now we don't have the kind of political leadership that did it. I have seen it happen I can tell you very quickly I look at what's happening in Los Angeles. The city of Los Angeles is a complete bureaucratic disaster. But there are a whole bunch of smaller cities that are very well run. They're also working class Latino cities. You drive from L.A., and it looks like Mumbai on a bad day.

You get into these small cities. They're clean. There's no graffiti. The reason is you have responsive leaders who, as one said if the graffiti doesn't come down I'm not going to be able to eat breakfast at the diner

we have we've lost that connection where you know you could take the LA City Council well I was about to say nude but who would want to see that but I have the LA City Council walked down Main Street and nobody would know who they are

so somehow we have to figure out how to get a closer connection between what the public wants and what officials do. And right now, particularly here in California and in New York, and, you know, God knows what's going to happen when Mondami gets in because there the groups will actually be running the government. It's very simple from the standpoint of what you're describing is, I'd like people that can govern. The basics of government are completely abdicated. And it seems to me, as a little sort of sidebar to all this.

You better teach history. You better teach your discipline. And I mean, it's unbelievable to me that people can, they have zero connection with the historical past. Zero, zero, zero. I'll give you a good example, which is very relevant right now. I teach a class on propaganda, and one of the classes is about socialism.

And, you know, I deal with, you know, Christianity, national socialism, socialism, socialism, trying to understand how ideas get marketed. So I put up a picture of Lenin, 35 kids.

One recognized it, and he happened to be an Armenian kid from Moscow who grew up in Moscow. Right. Of course. So like when Mandami talks in tones that Lenin would have approved

of, there's no connection. Oh my God, but this was a disaster when it was imposed in the Soviet Union. It's been a disaster in Venezuela. It's a disaster in Cuba. But they don't know any of these things. And I think there's been quite consciously an attempt, I think, to just ignore the experience of the Soviet Union. It just as if it never existed. And of course, you've got a combination of lack of knowledge, and then you've got, and particularly at the college level, professors who are basically, you know, training the next generation of party congeys.

I mean, you know, sometimes it seems to me our professors would have been more comfortable in the Soviet Union than in a truly liberal institution. I recommend that everyone read the Lenin, the Man, the Dictator, Master of Terror by Sebastian. It's one of the more recent Lenin biographies. And if it doesn't send chills down your spine every time you open it, then you're not, you don't have a pulse. He was really an accident of history when you get right down to it.

But I actually read that book on the recommendation of Mark Andresen. And I think it was worth my time invested. You will not come away with a good feeling. So if you can't read about American in history, at least read about the misadventures in France and Russia, two major, and the French, as a whole other preoccupation of mine, how they idolized, they romanticize 1789 in ways that are just absolutely disgusting and weird. They don't understand that that was a out-of-control

mob, and they had to get a dictator in there to settle things down. They just blame the dictator for what happened afterwards. Incredible. But is there, do you have any closing thoughts? about sort of this topic generally. And then I want to bring you back some time to talk about propaganda, because propaganda is a big, big, big topic. And I want to talk about persuasion propaganda and what the hell is going on in this country with that.

But go ahead. I think the basic thing is we really have to understand that we don't have to choose between a libertarian policies and ruled by a bunch of corporate oligarchs and Marxist Leninism.

There's a third way. We've lost what that third way is. I think there are a few politicians in both parties who sort of get part of it. But right now we're in the track of choosing between two unsustainable alternatives, and we need to come up with something else. You're so right. You're so right when you say there are a few politicians. I was watching the RFK Jr. hearings and the senator from Rhode Island jumped out at me.

Like, oh, this guy's got the appropriate. He's guys concerned about things that he should be thinking about, not getting his three minutes of air time. He was worried about end of life, the expense of end of life care and how we could save on that dramatically, which of course is where most of our health care dollars are spent fruitlessly. So, anyway, thank you very much for being here. Where would you like people to go? Should they get the book? Should they go to the website? Where do you like them to show up?

Well, they could go to my website, Joel Kotkin.com. They could go to Civitas. I'm a fellow at the University of Texas. Or you could go to Chapman, EDU, and you can find me there as well. And clearly go by the book. You get the Neoflitles and book. And also the, I'm just thinking about you.

You're in Orange County there, the great tiny parts of Orange County that are still where I can feel like my lungs feel with air. Huntington Beach. But there are, even if more inland, there are areas that still function. So they are a great example of what we should be doing. There's a lot of California that works perfectly well. This is a great state with great potential. And if we only could find decent leadership, we'd be okay.

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farming. She was the former star of undercover billionaire. She is a president of the fine state of California and barely survived the fires. She's also on X as lipstick farmers, as I said. Elaine, welcome and thank you for being here. Hi. Thanks for having me. So I've been watching the last two guests and I'm blown away. I'm absolutely blown. It's interesting, right? Goals will, you know, he's spot on about this issue where you've got two polar opposites, a stiff Republican and then this crazy Marxism, and that really that's not possible, neither are sustainable, and you don't have this middle ground. And the middle ground is the middle.

You know, it's like where we are not utilizing these brains that are, you know, reaping 15% on their investments, and, you know, they're basically gathering trillions of dollars of asset. Everybody else is just left in the dust, you know. It's a shame. Yeah. Yeah. It's disgusting. Tax here. You know that, right?

Do what kind of tax? Billionaires tax. The 2026 billionaires tax has been put on to the, you know, it's up, the bills written. I think it was first introduced in October of this year. Yeah. It's like, what, 1% of your net words or something? No, it's much worse. It's the top 200, so there's 200 billion, it's 250 billionaires, but the top 200 billionaires in California, they're looking to tax them 5%. And they're going to do this one time on their assets, which are estimated to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $2 trillion. This is all to raise $100 billion from these billionaires to pay for the distance between the Medicare, Medi-Cal that is for illegal aliens versus what we've been able to get, you know, for regular citizens.

This is, I think, $30 billion problem. So they want to steal $100 billion from the billionaires. But where they're missing, which is exactly what Joel was talking about. is like the contribution, you know, the billionaires that live in California pay $122 billion a year in Texas into the general fund. And, you know, if you have a billion dollars, they want more, Elaine, they want more. They want more. They need more.

Billion dollars. Yeah, they have kicked out so many businesses and so many thriving tax-based sources of money. It's just unbelievable. and all the name is sort of political expediency and their incompetence in terms of their ability to actually govern, as I was saying. But talk to me about wildfire because this is just the prime... The wildfire and the water and the high-speed rail

are the most sort of emblematic, and I guess homelessness too. These are the visual emblems of the dysfunction in this state and the lack of competency. The fire obviously is just ridiculous. Nobody can rebuild the Coastal Commission's in on this. That's why there's not a single, on the ocean side of the Pacific Coast Highway, there's not a single building, in nothing, absolutely nothing going on,

because there shall be nothing going on ever. Because, by the way, people don't understand that the Coastal Commission has a policy called reclamation. If nature takes the house back, thinking about the water when they when they say that but if it goes by fire oh well it reclaimed it nature's got it back sorry nature's putting a transit district in the pacific palisade's signature of the coastal commission so i don't know what they're talking about dismantle the three people that run coastal commission listen this is going to be the undoing of the of sacramento this whole thing is going to be the undoing at the end of the day you've got a group of a small group

of people that are trying to actually rezone people's personal property. And this after they've lost everything, but this SB 7-9 that we have here in California is designed for high-density housing around transit districts. All right, we are back. Let's bring Elaine Kalati back here. We don't know what happened, just a full crash. And it happens once in a while. It's been happening in the morning hours lately, more than this time of day.

But you were saying about how this will be the undoing of Sacramento. why? Well, I think that maybe that's when they cut us off. It was probably Sacramento. I'd just say, that's enough out of her. No, no, no, no. I want to hear more. I want to hear more.

It's the only thing in the conversation I've had so far today that made me happy. If we can undo what's going on in Sacramento, I'm very happy. Well, listen, two things that you've had on today. Number one is the neo-fudalism model is really interesting. I've been studying it for a long time, and I think he's right on. spot on. The climate has really changed and the under

40 voter is looking for aggressive change. I mean, some of these kids that work for me, they've been in their classroom as seniors have been told that if they're white, they're racist. Me, you just can't expect people to not fight back. They're going to fight back. And what we're doing with the fires is so

crazily a land grab. You can see it in real time. People think it's a conspiracy. It's not a conspiracy. They're rezoning the property so that the property has a higher value to developers who are doing multifamily. And then the people that want to build single family residential there, they're slowing the permit process so far that they can't rebuild single family. So they sell, and then they sell it to a developer and then it's mostly family. So it's like, it's not a mystery. It's an actual land grab. It's insane. And in order to get SB9 and in order

to be able to have multifamily, so the order to get the developers to buy it, you have to have a transit district. You can't do it without one. So they had a behind. clothes to get it, you know, and now they're going to put it there, and now that's all going to be, you know, repairment buildings. And there's no infrastructure. There's no road, there's no parking. I mean, there's nothing. So it's years away from being repaired. And the people that, you know, could really, ideally maybe help and build homes, they're just not, you know, it's been a year. Yeah. Friends can't pay out. Oh, it's just, nothing's getting done. Nothing. It's just ridiculous.

But let's go back to Forrester, though, if you don't mind. Because to me, to me, me this is the biggest sort of um that's the word i'm looking for where they they sort of are not saying not actually believing what they say which is if they really are worried about carbon in the atmosphere they would be worried about forestry first and foremost as the absolute numeral uno concern in their lives they wouldn't be worried about electric cars because that doesn't come close to the amount of CO2 that the forestry fires forest fires put in and i'm here to tell i don't a few grew up in California, but I used to look out at these San Gabriel Mountains, and they were criss-crossed, I've said this repeatedly, with firebreaks. And there were bulldozers up there

year-round reinforcing those firebreaks that stopped in the 80s because of the migration of a mouse. People forget this, the environmentalist is what stopped forestry management. And then there were multiple other dumb things, including just defunding it so they wouldn't do it. We had forestry camps here, just in La Cagnada. They were just all year around be working on forestry management. Is it something that we can solve also, or is it impossible? Well, it's impossible to solve anything when the state's broke. I mean, you've got lobby groups like the Wildlife Group and all of the big homeowners

associations and design review boards. And then you have all of the urban forestry stuff with the trees. And then you have the Santa Monica Conservatory with the parks. and you get, they all land grab for open space, but they don't maintain the open space and they don't have open space. Even though the fire department has programs, there's not any money to implement them. So yes, it is in some part definitely about the brush and, you know, not cutting because of the brush. That's the excuse. But the reality is they don't have any money. So if you don't have any money, then who's going to cut the brush? And that's what I think is happening.

All right. Okay. I agree. I think that's probably right. But now, so what is the, the psychology of the voters in this town in California that they keep falling for the bullshit. They got newsome out and they put them back in again. And they put people in the city council that are incompetent, clearly. What is wrong with our voters? I think we have two issues. Number one, we villainized Trump in California. So if, for example, Proposition 50 was not about the fact that it was going to really impact farming.

It was about the fact that Trump is doing it. so we have to do it to defend ourselves. It's a fear-mongering and also a gaslighting that Donald Trump somehow has something to do with what happened in Texas, even though it was their time to do it. I understand how easy it is to spin it, but that has damaging, long-term damaging effects because what you're doing is you're reigniting the Trump phobia

and the Trump derangement syndrome when in reality, California is bankrupt completely on its own without Trump. that's and that's not a hard concept for people to understand just without any influence from Trump California is in the red 420 Don't we have Oh oh do you freeze again? Okay

Don't we have a something in a California constitution where we are required to balance our budget How are they getting around that? Again, what's happened in Sacramento, this fire thing is going to be the undoing of them. What's happened in Sacramento is they've just stopped doing anything they're supposed to do. I mean, think about the fact that Prop 50 was funded with the money for Prop 36. So you have 69, 70% of the power for Prop 36, which was the crime bill. They never funded it.

So things that get passed don't get funded. So you think they're going to go and balance the budget? I mean, why? And Gavin on his way out, the last thing he's going to do is balance that budget. I mean, what would that look like? The incoming governor that replaces Gavin Newsom is going to inherit this debt. That is the one thing we have to concentrate on. How are we going to solve the debt problem in California?

And I'm doing a show right now called Mayors Matter, and I'm going all over California interviewing mayors. And I have to say that Prop 50 took away the voice for a lot of mayors to Sacramento, and the rest of them don't talk to Sacramento anyway. I found it very interesting that our memorial base in California for all the cities, I'm like through about 18 out of 52. They don't have regular conversations with Sacramento. Nobody comes to visit them.

So Sacramento is operating on its own, and now we have no money. So the next person that comes in, and whether it's a Democrat or a Republican, I would prefer that it was somebody more conservative. I really would, at least fiscally. but California is a big state. And this mayorial thing is really interesting because when you're like in 100, 150,000 people per city,

they run really well, which is what Joe was saying, Joel was saying. Of course, of course. You have a 4 million person city and you have no funding and no infrastructure and Mayor Karen Bass is in the position to run it. It's not only is it not going to run well, but it's also going to drag the rest of the state

like a ball and chain to the bottom of the over. because it's so expensive and it's so dilapidated and there's so much crime. And those statistics drag California down. The big cities drag California down. So you've got this huge problem where you've got this giant, terrible, terrible optic. And it's really these handful of very misrun cities, San Diego, Sacramento, San Francisco, Los Angeles. You know, those are the cities that take the rest of California and just kick it to the curb. where can we see those mayor interviews

oh it's going to be a minute I'll finish filming by the end of the December and then we'll do you know post post production and then slowly they're going to come out and they're fabulous and they're fabulous people you're going to be blown away and everybody has to we do go ahead but where will we find that

lipstickfarmer dot com where do we find it oh it's going to be well I think it'll stream obviously on YouTube and all of our regular, you know, platforms. So you'll find it on Twitter, YouTube, Rumble, probably somewhat on Facebook, but I think for the most part it'll be on YouTube, rumble, and Twitter.

It's going to be great. But what I'm asking is it the same handle, lipstick farmer, is that the handle? No, it's called Mares Matter. Mayors Matter. Okay, Mayors Matter. Fantastic. Okay, Elaine, I could talk to you all day about this. I know you've talked to Adam Carolla, I think about it. And of course, he's like

apoplectic about all this. And both he and I constantly complain about it. It's just, it's just, it's just heartbreaking what's going on. And I appreciate that you're doing something about it. And I appreciate you joining us here today. Thank you for having me on. You bet. Elaine Collin, call out, everyone. Go follow her ex-lip-sick farmer and look for the Mayors Matter on YouTube. We now have to get a quick report from our friend, Emily knows everything. Emily Hagen has been at the Capitol and she's been meeting with Thomas Massey and has an interview with him that I think

she'll tell us where to watch as well. Emily, are you there? I'm here. All right, beautiful. What do you got to report? Can you see me? I don't see you yet, but we'll get there. You can go ahead and start, I assume. Emily, I mean, Caleb will figure it out. There we are.

Can you see you? Yes, if you're in an unlit area, Yeah, I'm very close to the camera, maybe. I have it on, Caleb. I don't know what's going on. Well, maybe put Emily's picture up and we just get, yeah. I can see. Let's hear it.

Can you hear me? Oh, here we go. We hear you loud and clear. The hearing is, oh, there you are. Nice. Good to see you. All right. So give us your report.

I actually left my good tripod at the capital today, but I have this little one I'm going to use. That's all right. Okay. Thank you. All right. You look lovely. What is going on? What have you learned?

Emily knows everything. What do you want to know? Well, are there any, if you uncovered anything about the Epstein files that is not being reported elsewhere or that surprised you? Today, yeah, I'm surprised at how optimistic, Massey is about the files. He said that, you know, despite Mark Epstein saying that there's this source he has in Virginia that is right now scribbling off all of the names, Republican names, he said that whoever, the Department of Justice and whoever is involved, they have to be transparent in their redactions. So whatever they decide to redact, they have to tell the people

that are doing the bill, which gives it more transparency. So it's not like they can just start scribbling something and putting out like a fake list. So he did feel... Does he have any theory about who's going to be in there? I wonder who's going to be. I don't want to give away too much because I'm going to be dropping my interview tomorrow,

but I will say that I think people are going to be excited to hear who he predicts could be in the Epstein. files. It could or could not be someone Drew had a problem with once at CNN. Ooh. Oh, fantastic. This is a wonderful teaser. I have a teaser clip from you.

Do you want me to play the teaser clip, Emily? Yeah, the teaser clip's just kind of a funny one, but you can play it. I have not preview this. Well, wait, wait, before you do, hang on, before you do, did you see Larry Summers' behavior here today, the things he was saying and doing, he looked like he really has a problem. Like he's behaving like someone who's going into hiding. Yeah. Well, Trump called him out last night.

Washington Post called him out. He's seven days ago. Stepping down, stepping down from all his positions. You know, with this, there's everything except teaching, and I'm sure he's going to get dismissed from that as well. And he, there's quotes of him saying that I'm your wingman, you know, Mr. Epstein. I got you covered. People don't understand you, but I'm your wingman. I thought, oh boy, wingman is, you could not use a worse term for Epstein's behavior. But take a look.

Just look it up. Look around when you get, when your stuff comes out tomorrow, you can post about that. That means there's a, if that's true and he's stepping down already, that means there might be a true reckoning coming. Massey did today talk a little bit about the banks. And I was like, what bank? Should I take my money out? But he doesn't know what bank. But I was like, let's figure out what, because he said even high profile banks might be incriminated. But when I asked him, who do you think is in the files? And I dropped a few politicians' names today. He said his assumptions and predictions aren't based on any evidence from survivors' stories. It's just his gut feeling that he feels who he feels are connected. And today he did say the Clintons do not

run Washington, D.C. anymore. And he also said that, you know, he doesn't trust anyone really in the Republican Party at the moment except for the four that stood with him, I guess, on this bill. So your title today was really good. Thank you. Yeah. In terms of his, although we got one of your pictures up in our post, and it looked like you were next to Santa Anaxas. I didn't forget who that guy was.

But you said he has these instincts. Look at the guy to my right, your left, with the sunglasses on selfieing himself. I loved his vibe, but then someone commented, like, that guy's the worst. I go, you know that guy? You know what kind of bothered me? There was people saying that these people were paid protesters.

And I was like, are you guys serial? You guys, okay, first of all, there was only about 12 protesters there. If you guys not looked at a single comment section on the internet, everyone's saying released the Epstein files. This is not a sci-op that we need to pay protesters to be at, like at the free ditty trial. They had to pay the protesters. This isn't like that.

But isn't it interesting. Isn't it interesting that for essentially a 70-30 issues, 70% of the people that want this, that when you ask people to show up, 12 people show up if you don't pay. So people have to learn from that. That if there's 500 people, 490 of them are being paid. That's just the way it goes. But listen, I want to play the tape that you sent us. But before I do, one quick thing about Massey, you talked about his sort of instinct about who is on the list.

everything I hear about him is that he is one of the smartest people walking the planet. Do you agree with that? I agree and I also feel like he was the most down-to-earth politician that I've encountered. Not that I've hob-knobbed with

the Clintons or the Obamas or anything, but it felt like hanging out like with you and Susan. Because like you don't act, you don't act. I'll take that as a compliment. You don't act, you don't like flex or act cocky. you know you guys are really down earth that's what it felt like um massy definitely he definitely he

has one thing he said today made me really respect him he said i said why why are you so brave why are you willing to go against the party trump why are you willing to put your career on the line and he said and i said and why is everyone else so afraid because he said they're secretly whispering to him like they agree with him and he said it's because i don't really really care about the job as much as they do. They care about the job too much. And I think that's really, that's said a lot. I like when people aren't desperate to have like a job and they do something for the cause. It's also when something is right, it doesn't feel like courage. It just feels like I have to do it. Let's look at this little video you sent us. Do you think Epstein's

still alive? No. And do you think he was a Mossad agent? I mean, What's it? Let's talk about agent. I think he helped Mossad. Was he collecting blackmail on our politicians, and that's why no one wants he's released? You know, I don't know if it was blackmail, but like, let's say you were a drug user and you bought drugs from a drug dealer. The drug dealer doesn't blackmail you. The drug dealer has what you want, and then you start doing things for the drug dealer. I think Epstein was a sex trafficker. He supplied the women. I'm not sure that he was blackmailing his clients,

but he was definitely getting favors from them by finding them women and offering women to them. So I'm not sure. Obviously, once you've done enough of that, there is a lot of blackmail material. You don't think there's like hidden tapes anywhere buried in the ground in a bunker somewhere? Yeah, I think there probably are.

tapes like that. I don't think they're getting erased by the people. I don't know that the, well, Pam Bondi said there were a lot of tapes. That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of misinformation and conflicting information out there. So how do you expect the American of people to believe any of it? I believe about 1% of it myself. That's about all. That is an incredible little piece of tape. You better push that out quick because I'm telling you, There's a ton in there that his head, yeah. I felt like that was my worst clip, so I say, I, I, thank you for sharing that with us.

Thank you for sharing it's the worst clip. But, but there are at least four things he said in there to me that sound headline worthy. They do. Oh, yeah? Because he said it with such clarity and confidence. Well, the idea of these, essentially he's saying these people are all sex addicts and the end that he's, the, Debsin was the supplier. This is a really interesting construct. Number one.

Number two, he said Mossad was being held. That's a huge headline. Number three, he said there are tapes. We just, you know, we don't know where they are. Number four, he said that, that, what was the other thing he said? There was something about the other members of Congress. But anyway, well, no, that wasn't the headline to me. It was more that there are people, that it wasn't blackmail,

wasn't necessarily blackmail, even though there are tapes. I mean, he was just crystal clear about all this. And to me, that makes perfect sense, perfect sense. So, well done, Emily. You've been saying all along, like, you don't think there's this, like, Epstein had a diary where he wrote, like, the list of the blackmail. So this probably makes more rational sense to you. His explanation. It does.

And Epstein was, he was a mathematician. He was a manipulative asshole. Gislein was a manipulative. We opened our story today, our show today, with a report from a woman who had been groomed by Gislayne. and you hear how she did her thing. What was her name, Caleb? Help me. Anuska? Anuska.

Anuska to Georgia. And yeah, and she tells the whole story. And it all makes sense in terms of the human behavior, both in terms of being a supplier of the girls and being a manipulator of the girls. It all sort of fits with how humans work. You don't need other things. You don't have to have blackmail.

You don't have to have all these other kinds of, kind of espionage like, you know, sort of 007 kinds of overlay to make sense of all this, or even conspiratorial overlay. It all is just how people work. And these people were bad doing bad things. And they trapped a lot of people who were really sick and in many different ways. We're going to hear about how sick they are as this goes along. Emily, I actually have to wrap up.

I do appreciate you sharing that video with us and coming on and giving us your updates as you always do. I think I'll need one again tomorrow, guys, everybody agree with that? There was some pretty good stuff. I was a little scared to release the Mossad, so I wanted you to put the Misan video out first. Let's see if you get canceled. All right, well, okay. Yeah, we'll push it out. Listen, he says what he says.

You didn't say it. You're doing a good interview. And he says these things with clarity. There was like the most Israel flags I've ever seen today. I mean, it's not like I go to the White House or the Capitol or office. but I did ask Massey if like why so and he said there has been a push now where it's almost on every other congressman or senator's door I stand with Israel I stand with Israel and it is interesting so I think there could be some pushback on the interview when he does say that

so I'm a little nervous to put it out interesting interesting I will see and also we we were hearing in one of our interviews earlier before you came on that that 40-year-olds and under are not standing with Israel. They're just generally sort of see that as a boomer standard that they're just not fully signing up for. Not that they're against them, but they don't have the same kind of value base in it. So, okay, Emily knows everything on Instagram. That's where you go.

So that's probably mostly the Dems. It's Emily with an I-E. And by tomorrow, Emily's tape will be up. I don't know. I'm heading to a Maha party right now. So hopefully it'll be out tomorrow, but I don't know if it'll be out tomorrow. I need an out of her. What is a Maha party?

I mean, how much fun do they have? Bobby, oh, actually, so Justin Trudeau's half-brother, Kyle Kemper is hosting a party. We know him, we know him. Yeah, Kyle. So Kyle wanted us to come cover. Bobby 3 is RFK's junior son.

So he's releasing a book about Fauci. So it's tonight. We interviewed him. We interviewed him. Good guy. Oh, you did? He, yeah, yeah, he does not hold, he does not pull his punches. You interview him, he'll say it.

He'll, well, Kyle, for sure, but, but Bobby three, Bobby three will talk about who killed his great uncle, who killed his, you know, grandfather. He just, he just goes. He does not give a shit. So now that you know who's going to be at the party, do you kind of see why I'm like, these are the people? Now you're like, do you see why maybe it won't be out at 8 a.m? These are like wild characters. No, you will. I know you're very disciplined.

I just want to ask Kyle about Katie Perry. I have to be like, what's going out here at front? We have to get to the bottom of it. I've known Katie over the years. She's a nice woman. She deserves a little bit of grace. I don't understand the Justin Trudeau thing at all. Oh, look at that.

I need Ozzy. I need Ozzy. I need Ozumpic. See how thin Katie. Yeah. We want. Shred for you. Susan, when I get back to L.A., I'm joining V Shred with you, and I'm going to do it.

Dr. drew.com slash V-SredM-D. Oh, also, I'm interested in the hot cocoa bone bra. You don't need to lose them. The hot cocoa bone. We love that stuff. Yeah. Beth. I agree.

So, okay, we love you. Thank you. We'll see you tomorrow. Hopefully for a little check-in and we'll look for those videos. This sounds like to me, like this is, you're going to be right in the middle of it. There's upcoming shows here, Susan Crabtree and Joel Gilbert, tomorrow. I think Joel did a new documentary about Rosanne. Ryan Sickler, Chef Grohl is coming by Tim Hardaway.

The basketball player has got a documentary out. We're going to get to him. A lot coming up. Just consult. Drew.com, Dr.rew.TV. Emily's been on fire with the bookings. So you'll want to be here there Tuesday and Thursday at 2, Wednesday at 4. These are Pacific Times.

We appreciate all of you guys on Restream. I was late getting into the Restream. I didn't have it signed in properly. I figured there was a problem. And, of course, you guys on the Rumble Rants, thank you for being there. Let me look really quickly. Okay, everybody.

I got to run. I got to do a little finity hit. So what do you got there, Caleb? Oh, this is the results of a poll that I posted earlier about to regain Maga's trust. Trump should do this first. And it's just the list should he do. That is.

Epstein files, total MRNA ban, apologize to MTG and Massey, or nothing because he got it right. Strangely, 45.5% went for the total MRNA ban as opposed to the unredacted Epstein files or anything else. So, interesting. There are some crazy things he could do that would regain the trust, even though a total MRNA van is a terrible idea. They've already banned it for respiratory viruses. That's where the problem was. if you have cancer and you're going to die, an MRI vaccine may prolong your life six months without harming you too much,

that's far less problematic than the poisons we give right now. So trust me, just be careful with what you wish for. All right, we got to run. How about MRNA mandates? Put that up next time. Well, no vaccine mandates. How about that? I think that would be an interesting position for them to take.

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