Ask Dr. Drew - H5N1 Bird Flu: New Pandemic, New mRNA Vaccine, Same Old Story w/ Dr. Kelly Victory & Brian Hooker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 364

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey there and welcome everyone. I'm Dr. Kelly Victory flying solo today, filling in for Dr. Drew, who's off on other business. Super excited about today's show. Just in time for election season. Wait for it. We've got a new fear porn out there. We've got bird flu just in time. I'm shocked that it came so quickly. I barely had time to take down my COVID decorations and here we are now it's bird flu season. So we've got to move on. If you follow anything in the mainstream media or social media, you've got to be aware that the alarm flags have been raised and there's a lot of fantastical headline out there with regard to incidents of bird flu. So we are going to spend an entire show today talking just about the bird flu, what it is,

Starting point is 00:01:02 where it came from, what the real risks are, how the powers that be are going to co-opt this most recent outbreak. And I'm super excited to have Dr. Brian Booker here today with me to do just that. I've had Brian on in the past. He is the Chief Scientific Officer of Children's Health Defense, a scientist of tremendous repute. He has a PhD in biochemical engineering, has done tremendous work over a period of decades on vaccine issues, vaccine injuries, vaccine safety. He was participant in exposing some fraud and corruption at the CDC in the past with regard to vaccine data, and on and on. I'll give a more thorough introduction for him when we come back,

Starting point is 00:01:52 but really looking forward to getting into the weeds about this and hopefully giving, once again, facts, not fear. What really is going on with bird flu, H5N1? What do we have to look forward to? And what do we need to worry about? So we'll be back in just a little bit. I'll reintroduce Brian Hooker and we'll get into it. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography,

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Starting point is 00:04:26 functioning of your immune system. I don't think there's anything that's more important with regard to preventing infection, whether it's bird flu, COVID or whatever else, and preventing things like cancers and other diseases than having a healthy immune system. I am a huge fan of medicinal mushrooms, turkey tail mushrooms, reishi mushrooms. And this company makes a great product. Actually, the website that sells this particular product, Pet Club 24-7, sells this and these and a bunch of, I actually have cookies that I give to my horses and to my dogs that contain Coriolis versicolor, which is the

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Starting point is 00:06:01 As I said, the timing is somewhat suspect because of the proximity to the upcoming election. And I fear that they are going to use this as a way to, you know, keep people in fear from going to the polls and those sorts of things. But I want to spend this entire show today talking about bird flu and unpacking it, really what it is, where it came from, what we know about it, what the actual risks are, and also how the authorities are responding to it, whether it's

Starting point is 00:06:34 what sorts of measures are putting in place, wait for it, new vaccines coming, spoiler alert. And today's guest, again, many of you have met before. I had him on, Dr. Brian Hooker. He's the chief scientific officer at Children's Health Defense. He spent decades working on vaccine safety. He is co-author of the book, Vaxxed, Unvaxxed, Let the Science Speak with Bobby Kennedy. Brian is a scientist of tremendous repute. He not only has a PhD in biochemical engineering,

Starting point is 00:07:10 but he has authored dozens and dozens of scientific papers. He's received many, many scientific awards. And incidentally, he happens to have an adult son with autism. I haven't asked him directly about that as yet, but whether or not he believes that there's some connection with his son's autism and vaccines. So we're going to get into all of that. He certainly knows the data. He has spent a tremendous amount of time really looking into what's going on with bird flu. So without further ado, please join me, Brian. Happy to have you back on the dais with me. Hi.

Starting point is 00:07:54 Well, thank you so much, Dr. Kelly. It's so great to be here with you. I think there's so many important things to talk about, and you're absolutely right. We have been bombarded by fear porn now around H5N1 influenza. Yes. So let's start with this. Let's start with just a little primer on what is H5N1? How long have know it about, what do we know so far, independent of what we've heard in the last few weeks with these outbreaks. Give us the backstory. Well, H5N1 is a type of influenza. If you look at the bigger picture, there's influenza A and influenza B.

Starting point is 00:08:45 Influenza A is a type of flu that can transmit in animals as well as humans. Influenza B only transmits in humans. Influenza A tends to be more virulent and cause more damaging symptoms than influenza B. And when you look at the way, a lot of times people will ask, well, why is it numbered that way? H5 refers to a protein that's on the virus protein coat called hemagglutinin. And it's just the fifth variant or the fifth subtype of that particular protein N is N1. It stands for neuroamidase. And that neuroamidase is another protein that's on the virus coat. So when you think of H1N1, that's wine flu. H5N1 happens to be avian flu that is now mutated to transmit through herds of cattle in several states in the United States. If you look at this particular subtype of bird flu, it's referred to as what's called a subclade. A clade is just a different strain of this type of flu.

Starting point is 00:10:21 It's mutated a little bit differently. And so the clade itself is further divided into a subclade. And this subclade is, let's see, it's 2.3.4.4B. And it was first seen in the United States in chickens in Indiana. And it was first characterized in these chickens in February 2022, like I said, in the state of Indiana. Brian, let me interject, apologize a little before you go any further down this. Correct me if I'm wrong. This should be a little bit further back. If I'm correct, H5N1 was discovered, if you will, in 1996. So it's something that was 96 or 97. That's when we first identified this virus. And we've had outbreaks, incidental outbreaks, every few years since 96, I believe with somewhere in the range of 850 maybe cases ever in humans in all of those years.

Starting point is 00:11:34 Is that correct? That's correct. So since 1996. Now, one of the things that I want you to touch on is that people have been alarmed because the mortality rate in that 800 and some odd cases was relatively high. It was something like 52% of the people died with it. But again, my understanding is that those are people who were infected largely in areas of the world that have very poor healthcare, third world countries

Starting point is 00:12:01 and places that did not have access to ICU care or to the antibiotics that would be needed to treat a bacterial pneumonia on top of it. So, you know, so the backstory is, yes, we've known about this for some decades and haven't had. Since 1996, correct. Yes, it's 96. And so now, fast forward, now we're finding this subclade that you just defined, 2.3.44B or whatever it is, in Indiana. So now we have it here. What do we know about this particular virus? This particular virus originated in Europe and Asia. It was characterized in Europe and Asia in 2021 and probably surfaced, you know, the particular subclade surface before then.

Starting point is 00:12:56 Then it was, like I said, it first popped up in Indiana in the population of chickens. So it was in, you know, in domestic f in Indiana in the population of chickens. So it was in domestic fowl in the United States. And then it spread to several different states after that. And then in, I believe, and this is a question to me, somewhere in 2023 and 2024, then it started to be characterized in the cattle population. And so the transmission went from bird to bird, to bird to cow, and then cow to cow after that. And so far, you know, if you look at the surveillance data that are, you know, again, we kind of have to back up and define what the surveillance data are based on. But right now, it is in over 10 states in the United States in cattle, in over 40 herd of cattle. And there have only been two cases of cattle to human transmission.

Starting point is 00:13:59 The first one was in April in Texas, April of 2024, this year in Texas. And then the second one was just a few days ago at the end of May, I believe it was May 24th, and it was in Michigan. Okay. Okay. So let me interject again here, because part of my job is to take erudite people like yourself and then restate it for those, for everybody who's listening, who might not have a PhD and to make sure that everyone. So number one, you've defined what is really the definition of a zoonotic virus. Zoonotic viruses are those viruses that are capable of moving between animal species. Coronavirus is also a zoonotic virus. It could move from, you know, a bat to a mammal,

Starting point is 00:14:47 to a human, to another, you know, and then human to human. So H5N1 is a zoonotic virus. It can move species to species thus far. And since 1996, by the way, it has moved between birds to cattle and with rare occasion to humans and then almost, you know, very, very rarely human to human. Thus far, again, correct me if I'm wrong, with this current outbreak, we have seen no human to human transmission. These viruses typically are a risk to people who are in direct contact with infected birds or cattle. So that would mean like poultry workers or people who work with cattle that are infected. And that's, in fact, what we've seen with these two cases, correct? Absolutely correct. Yeah, and thank you for clarifying that. You know, I, I, my sciences kind of, when I,

Starting point is 00:15:47 when I get spun up for things like bird flu, my sciences hits an apex and you have to translate it to earth speak. And so I so appreciate that. What is what has happened is that these two individuals that both are dairy workers ended up with pink eye. Okay. And so when they tested them, they tested nasal swabs that came back negative, but then they tested fluid from the eyes and those came back positive for H5N1. And then they both suffered pink eye and recovered within three days. Okay. And there has been. Yeah. So first of all, not only are we going to like be shoving Q-tips up our noses, but now we're going to stick them in our eyes. Oh God, I swear this is just going,

Starting point is 00:16:36 this is going nowhere good. Okay. It is, it is, but you know, very, very minor conjunctivitis and recovered quickly. And then there are no cases of bird flu that have transmitted from human to human in this particular subclade. And so I see the risk of the natural occurring virus, the naturally evolving virus, I see that as a risk of nil. I think it's much ado about nothing. And they're using faulty PCR tests. Now, remember PCR from COVID-19, right? Okay. Polymerase chain reaction, it detects the, they actually do what's called reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction because flu viruses are RNA viruses. It's what's called a single-stranded RNA virus. So it's converted to DNA, and then in my saliva if you have 40 cycles of PCR.

Starting point is 00:17:57 It don't exist, but it can find things at 40 cycles that don't exist. Exactly. 40 cycles that don't exist. Okay. So the way I've put this in layperson's terms with regard to the PCR is that it's a technology that was intended to amplify microscopic minuscule bits of material so that there would be enough of that material for a scientist to study it. It was not meant to diagnose diseases the way it's used. And the example I've used is it will find and take a tiny incidental, perhaps insignificant bit of genetic material and amplify it into something. So it would be like me finding a stray hair from my long lost dog on the floor in my office five years after the dog died. And then coming

Starting point is 00:18:47 to the conclusion that the dog is still there because I found a fragment. The dog is not there. The virus is not there. And in many cases, it's causing a... So we saw so much in one of my early taglines with COVID, Brian, was that the virus is real, the statistics are not, because of these false PCR tests. So they are using this same technology now to, quote, diagnose bird flu, H5N1. And it's my understanding that they are going and planning to or currently doing mass testing of cattle and of birds on these poultry farms and using this as a rationale for culling these herds. Absolutely. They want to use these PCR tests. And I've searched and searched in the USDA's website to see exactly how many cycles they use in these tests of PCR. But it really doesn't matter because when you test PCR,

Starting point is 00:19:52 you're testing for the nucleic acid material. You're not testing for the intact virus. Okay. So it might be a residue, like you said, your dear long lost dog um you know it might just be residue from uh from a vestige of that particular rna but it does not prove that the virus is there uh and so they they want to use this as justification to start to test chickens and chicken farms uh so they can start to call the call those foul they also are using it to test raw milk and pasteurized milk. And they have found it, again, looking at a test that's not appropriate for testing these materials. They found it in raw milk. They found it in pasteurized milk. Oddly enough, even though they found it in both, they still say raw milk is bad and pasteurized milk

Starting point is 00:20:51 is good. It doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. But they're also using it as justification then to go through these herds of cattle and isolate and then start to cull these herds as well. And so it's affecting livestock throughout the United States. And it's also then creating fear porn for the ultimate goal or aim of human-to-human transmission. And incidentally, by the way, no one has ever connected the dots. So what that you happen to find this virus in milk? Right. So what?

Starting point is 00:21:34 It's a respiratory virus. Drinking milk that has this, even if they did find the virus in the milk, there's no indication that drinking it would cause you any harm at all. This is a virus that transmits through the respiratory tree. So they're just randomly doing things in my mind to try to amp up the concern about it. So I want to let you kind of drive this, but I want, let's talk about so far, the reality is we have seen zero human to human transmission of this virus. That said, we are well aware that there are labs, not in Wuhan, China, there are labs in the United States that are currently and have been for years doing gain offunction research on this specific virus. This includes labs, you know, the USDA lab in Georgia,

Starting point is 00:22:28 certainly the University of Wisconsin. Many, there are scientific labs doing research on this very virus and this very subvariant. So talk about what we know so far about that. Well, there are many labs across the globe and at least five different labs in the United States that are doing what is called gain-of-function research, which basically means that you take a virus that is zoonotic and you encourage it to passage through mammals and then ultimately to humans. And the ultimate trajectory of these experiments is usually human fibroblast lung

Starting point is 00:23:15 culture. Fibroblasts are a type of cell that are in human lungs and they grow these cells in culture. And the ultimate goal is human-to-human transmission in these gain-of-function experiments. These labs include the United States Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, the influenza division of the CDC. It also includes the USDA, or the United States Department of Agriculture, their laboratory station at the University of Georgia in Athens, Georgia. Also includes the University of Wisconsin, includes a research entity called BARDA, which is the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Projects Authority, which is also a part of the Department of Health and Human Services. And they get money and they share resources with the National Institutes for Allergies and Infectious Disease. And then another entity that is, and all these labs are interconnected.

Starting point is 00:24:18 And another entity that is looking at this, which really surprised me, was St. Jude's Hospital, which is working directly with BARDA and working directly with the USDA in order to produce quote-unquote countermeasures for these humanized viruses and these humanized variants of H5N1. And so let's, you know, they always use that as their excuse. That's their rationale for why they've engaged in gain of function. And to be clear, gain of function as a broad term means taking any pathogen, could be a virus, could be a bacterium, could be a fungus, could be any pathogen, manipulating that pathogen in the lab so that it takes on properties it didn't have previously that enhance its virulence. It could make it more transmissible. It could make it more resistant to treatment. It could make it more

Starting point is 00:25:13 capable of spreading between species, as you're saying, human to human, anything that makes it stronger, more capable of being a disease. So there was a moratorium. I didn't agree with much that President Obama did. One of the things I absolutely did agree with was the moratorium that was placed on gain-of-function research back in 2014. That ban, that moratorium was subsequently lifted. Unfortunately, despite the fact there was a moratorium, Anthony Fauci and others continued gain-of-function research on COVID, and that is clearly, it is irrefutable that that is what produced COVID-19 was gain-of-function research that occurred in the lab in Wuhan, China. Now, you're telling us or you're verifying that they are doing gain of function research here in the United States on H5N1 specifically with an intention of making it transmissible human to human.

Starting point is 00:26:15 And it's my understanding that it doesn't take much modification of, I can't remember who said it, I'm blanking on who acknowledged it, that it takes only like four minor changes, genetic changes in the laboratory. It's not a big leap to make this all of a sudden very transmissible human to human. Is that correct? Absolutely correct. It would take about four or five mutations that would result in different amino acid sequences in the proteins associated with the virus. The person who stated that with a really ominous warning was the former CDC director, Robert Redfield. That's right. And he started talking about it two years ago. And he has since said that disease acts will be bird flu, that it will be manmade, a laboratory leak, whether you believe that would be an intentional leak or an unintentional leak. But there's much money to be made. there when you follow the money trail around these labs

Starting point is 00:27:25 that are doing gain-of-function research you see that these individuals these principal investigators here's Robert Redfield and he and he says that the mortality could be significant in the 10 to 15 percent range. That is much, much, much, much higher than what we saw with the COVID-19 virus itself. And so there's fear porn in here, but the reality is that these labs are working very, very hard. And the type of research, the type of modifications that are needed in order to make this transmissible are already on the books. It could have been done yesterday. Right.

Starting point is 00:28:09 And the reality is this. This doesn't have to be released by nefarious intent. Lab workers are humans. Humans are fallible. Unfortunately, people don't understand the frequency of lab errors and lab accidents is high. They don't get reported to the public, but they happen in the hundreds a year get reported that there are lab incidents. Okay. Everyone thinks that these are super top secret.

Starting point is 00:28:42 Absolutely nothing ever happens. That isn't the case. People drop a test tube. Everyone thinks that these are super top secret, absolutely nothing ever happens. That isn't the case. People drop a test tube. You know, people, you know, break protocol. It happens all the time. So the idea that this is going on, it's very dangerous business in the first place. Then I will submit, and I'm not a, you know, conspiracy theorist. I will tell you the facts, though, which is that a lot of these

Starting point is 00:29:05 scientific labs, including places like the University of Texas in Galveston, my alma mater, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Stanford, Yale, University of Wisconsin, they are funded by the Chinese. They've taken huge amounts of money from foreign governments. Follow the money here. There is participation in many of these labs with foreign entities and with foreign governments. So we're going to come back. We're going to go to a break and come back. I want to talk a little bit more about gain of function, and then I want to hit what I know everyone's waiting for is where are we going with their,

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Starting point is 00:34:31 that. But before I do it, I think I threw you off. I kind of glossed over something that's critically important. We were talking about them using these faulty PCR tests and everything as a rationale to cull the poultry birds and potentially cattle, rather than allowing this virus to just run through them. Some birds will die, most won't, and they will develop natural immunity. They're using this testing as a rationale, and they're talking about culling, I mean, millions of birds. I think just in Iowa, on one farm alone, they're talking about killing 4.2 million poultry fowl. Okay? The kind of impact that would have on the food chain, I mean, is overwhelming.

Starting point is 00:35:21 So, you know, talk about, I mean, it's not only unnecessary, it has, I believe, an alternative, you know, ulterior motive when they start talking about wiping out this much of the food supply. Well, I think when you look at it at its core, you know, it is an economic disaster. It's an economic, you know, for the farmers themselves that have to, are being ordered to cull these herds. It's an economic disaster, but it also promotes sort of alternative technologies. I find it odd that a lot of this is happening by the USDA, but yet the USDA is the one that has genetically modified chickens that are genetically

Starting point is 00:36:06 modified to be immune to influenza, to bird flu. And so, of course, you call the herds, and then you can introduce a genetically modified product. And we're being trained more and more as a society in the United States to accept more and more different types of GMOs. And I don't think that this is any accident at this point in time. I think it's quite an opportunity rather than to let the virus run its course. It's an RNA virus. RNA viruses mutate quickly. When they mutate, they become less virulent in general, as long as they're not hampered by vaccinea technologies. There was a whole series of studies done in 19, I'm sorry, 2015 with chickens and Newcastle's disease that showed this very, very elegantly that if it were let to progress through the

Starting point is 00:37:03 chicken population, then it would become very, very benign. But yet that's not what they're doing. Exactly. And certainly if we learned anything from COVID, and this was, you know, I preach this daily, you know, when all viruses mutate, when they mutate, they do two things with incredibly rare exception. They become more transmissible and less virulent. They get, they become weaker and weaker and they spread and they become more akin to a common cold. If you just let it run its course and the animals, including humans, will develop natural immunity along the way. And then they start interfering with it by failed vaccine programs,

Starting point is 00:37:42 for example, they drive mutations and they wreak more havoc. But I think we can't overlook the impact of this issue of impeding the food source, culling herds unnecessarily. And anybody who watched my show some weeks ago with Ivor Cummins, when we were talking about the multi-pronged assault on humanity. It's not just an assault from on the borders and on education, but this war on the farmers is huge. Elites have an agenda with regard to pushing us away from animal sources for food. And I don't care, you know, if Nicole Kidman wants to eat bugs for a living, you know, crunch away, girlfriend, I don't care, you be you. But, you know, I intend to eat meat. And I think people have a right to

Starting point is 00:38:37 do that. So I really am concerned about not only, you know, what it's going to do to the farmers, but the cost of food and the availability of meat products if they continue down this path. So now let's talk about, yes, they clearly, we know, and it should have been totally predictable that they would launch and be right at the, you know, Johnny on the spot with a new mRNA, quote, vaccine for bird flu. So talk about, at least, you know, what we know, Brian, about the state of mRNA vaccinology for H5N1. Well, this is hot off the presses. I'm glad that you featured this article because it's the University of Pennsylvania that is working directly with the other entities that are doing gain-of-function research in order to come up with an mRNA vaccine.

Starting point is 00:39:32 Again, this technology that has really devastated the United States population and really the world population, we've seen more VAERS reports for these mRNA vaccines. VAERS is CDC's surveillance system of vaccine injuries. We've seen more VAERS reports for mRNA vaccines than all of the rest of the vaccines in the entire 32-year history of that database combined. And so there's more trouble, there's more money to be made as well as you look at these outfits like the University of Pennsylvania with their patent portfolios, with their licensing agreements. And you also have to bear in mind that there was an incredible amount of money that was made from the COVID-19 vaccine. Over $100 billion was gained by Pfizer and Moderna over the course of the pandemic for these vaccines. Now there is a big void because less and less people are getting their COVID-19 boosters. So this is being rolled out as the ultimate savior for

Starting point is 00:40:53 the bird flu pandemic. Yeah, and I will tell you, I said from the very beginning of the COVID pandemic, Brian, that I believe that one of the primary goals of the COVID pandemic was to make mRNA a household word, to make people believe that this is a platform that's been well-established, well-tested, completely safe and effective. It's good for everybody. It's good for kids. It's good for old people. It's good for pregnant people. It's good for, safe for everybody. We've done it for years when that is not the case. Yes, scientists have been working on mRNA for a long time, but mRNA vaccines have failed every single time in the past, sometimes with devastating results where all of the test animals died, for example. But they fast-tracked the COVID mRNA shots, and we lived through that for years. You rightly point out we are seeing carnage in the wake of

Starting point is 00:41:55 that failed program, but they have led people to believe, oh, it's just another mRNA vaccine, as if the platform has been fully vetted. And so now rather than testing, you know, having to go through the testing for that platform, they've just acted like they got a pass and now we can make everything using mRNA, which just is not the case. Furthermore, I mean, there's an adage in, you know, pandemics and vaccinology and virology that you never launch a mass vaccine program in the midst of a pandemic, in the midst of an outbreak. Talk a little bit about why that is. Why do we not start vaccine programs

Starting point is 00:42:42 when there's an active outbreak? When you have an active outbreak and you introduce a vaccine in it, then what would normally happen with the evolution of a virus is reversed. Okay. And so, you know, again, going back to, you know, there were some seminal studies that were done in 2015. One of the lead authors, his last name was Reed, R-E-A-D, on chickens and Newcastle's disease. The vaccinated birds, when you had an imperfect vaccine, which all vaccines by definition are imperfect, none of them have 100% prevention of the disease. And I would call this, for lack of a better term, a leaky vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission. Then the reverse

Starting point is 00:43:34 happens to the virus as it circulates throughout the population. It becomes more virulent as more of the population has sort of imperfect, inferior vaccine immunity, then that allows the virus, it creates what's called selection pressure in viral evolution that creates a virus that is more virulent and it will cause more carnage and will cause more death. And this is exactly what we saw with the COVID vaccines, quote unquote. And the Cleveland Clinic did a huge study. I have 53,000 patients that showed that the more highly vaccinated you are for COVID, the more likely you are to get COVID. It's why the people who are highly vaccinated are the people who've had COVID five, six, seven times, where the average person who's not vaccinated for COVID got it once or maybe twice and very mildly at that.

Starting point is 00:44:31 So it drives, you know, when you have a leaky or what we call scientifically a non-sterilizing vaccine, one that doesn't prevent the animal, including the human, from contracting the disease, you actually cause it to mutate more quickly and differently than it would if it went naturally through the herd. And we saw this. The French did a very failed experiment. They tried to vaccinate mallard ducks. They tried to vaccinate ducks for bird flu. Mallards have a large, a long migratory path. They cohabitate with other poultry, fowl, and cattle. And they ended up, instead of letting the flu go through the mallard duck population and let those birds just develop immunity, they instead spread a more virulent form of the flu to other poultry birds and to cattle. So it's just, it never makes sense to do it. I don't know why, you know, we are not learning

Starting point is 00:45:32 from past mistakes. It really begs the question. What are you seeing happening? You know, you're looking at this real time. What is the state of the vaccine programs right now with regard to at least poultry animals and cattle and that sort of thing? Well, right now, what they're doing in terms of the human vaccine itself is that there are already three approved versions of H5N1 for human use in the United States. And so they're stockpiling those vaccines, the national vaccine stockpile. On top of that, they have what's called a viral protein coat vaccine. It's the patent is held by a company called Novavax. And actually, the person who is responsible for a lot of the fear porn on Twitter regarding bird flu, his name is Rick Bright. He is one of

Starting point is 00:46:38 the co-inventors on this patent. And that vaccine right now is in preclinical trials. And so that will be an alternative to the mRNA vaccine. And then the mRNA vaccine itself for bird flu is entering into clinical trials. And I'm loathe to say, Dr. Kelly, I don't know as much as I should regarding the vaccination that's going on with chickens and also with cattle right now. I haven't been following that as closely and I do apologize for that. Well, let's, yeah, Rick Bright, he's the gift that keeps on giving. Let's talk about, okay, so here we are, we've laid it out here. We've got so far two people in the United States who have tested positive for H5N1 who had pink eye that they got from a cow. Okay. Yet despite that, that's the state of the,

Starting point is 00:47:32 you know, of the quote outbreak, but we have the U S government manufacturing and stockpiling human vaccines for this. Okay. You start wondering what is it they know that we don't know. So let's look at this, um, at Rick Bright and what his investment, what his motivation is. Put up, uh, Caleb there, he'd made a great statement. Let's start with, uh, Rick Bright's statement about his Twitter post. Um, this is, you know, this, here he is, talk about the purveyor of sound the alarm, you know, the purveyor of fear power, and is right. He is talking about and predicting that it's going to become, you know, any threats to, you know, any attempts to minimize the threat are irresponsible. So here I am, I'm apparently being irresponsible. What I am saying is, if this virus starts to behave differently,

Starting point is 00:48:28 if it starts to do something different from what it has always done in the past, since 1997, I'll go out on a limb and say, you can pretty much guarantee it's because the virus was manipulated in a lab to do something different. Because left to its own, in nature, H5N1 does not cause massive pandemic outbreak, and there is no need for an mRNA vaccine or any other fear. It's only going to be if it all of a sudden was manipulated purposefully in a lab to do that. Do you think I'm overstating that, Brian? I think you're absolutely correct. And when you look at Dr. Bright and what he's done, he was in the thick of the gain-of-function research that was done on H5N1 influenza. And he has a portfolio of no less than 20 patents from his time at BARDA.

Starting point is 00:49:29 And the sort of ultimate patent that he has is around the bird flu vaccine that is now being pushed through clinical trials by Novavax. And so, you know, this type of, he was at Novavax from 2006 to 2008, went to a different company in Vietnam called Path, started at BARDA 2010, and was the director of BARDA up to 2020. And while he was at BARDA, he was pursuing these patents. He was getting these patents licensed at the same time. And he was one of the co-authors and one of the co-investigators in the gain-of-function research. Yeah. And so, again, at this point, as I sit here today, there is no reason for panic. We have not seen any human-to-human transmission, let alone rampant human-to-human transmission. I'm not saying it's not possible, however, because of what they are

Starting point is 00:50:31 doing and because we know, as Robert Redfield acknowledged, it takes very little lab manipulation to create a version of H5N1 that could easily transmit. Now, the good news is, again, since people I'm assuming have this question, well, gosh, what do we do? The great news is we have every reason to believe in good studies that show that H5N1 is highly treatable with chloroquine and its precursor, therefore hydroxychloroquine. We knew that COVID would be because SARS-CoV-1, the precursor to SARS-CoV-2, was highly treatable by both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. By the way, Anthony Fauci knew that too. It was under his tutelage that they published the study on it in 2005. So the idea that they acted as if they didn't know this was preposterous. Good news,

Starting point is 00:51:26 looks like H5N1 will also be highly treatable with chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, and frankly, very likely ivermectin and some of the other drugs that we treated SARS-CoV-2 with COVID-19. In addition, we've got things like nasal sprays and gargles that's most simple things things like you know povidone iodine and a little bit of salt water sprayed up your nose you know those sorts of things and if i were a poultry worker you know working with potentially infected birds i would be using that on a daily basis just gargling and doing nasal spray because this virus is very susceptible to it. So again, we are against fear. I coined the hashtag, Brian, facts not fear back in early in 2020. And I believe that the antidote to fear is information and preparation. And so that's why I think it's so important for

Starting point is 00:52:26 you to be here exposing this. You have spent decades in vaccine research. You obviously were very, very critical in exposing previous vaccine research corruption, and that's what it is. It's nothing short of corruption within the CDC. And you and Bobby Kennedy wrote the book, you know, Vaxxed on Vaxxed, Let the Science Speak. Take a few minutes, you know, and give us the broader purview, the broader look at, you know, your feeling about what you've uncovered in your decades of research and investigation about vaccines in general? Well, what I found is that really since the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and the addition of so many vaccines to the infant childhood schedule that this has become so much more about profiteering, about monetary gain,

Starting point is 00:53:37 about horrific conflicts of interest within the three-letter agencies of the Department of Health and Human Services. And it's so much less about saving children and providing the most optimal health that we can for our children. You know, for me, Dr. Kelly, it took my son's own vaccine injury in order to open my eyes. I was very, very pro-vaccine growing up, even through graduate school and getting my PhD. I didn't really know that vaccine injuries were a thing. And it wasn't until my son received his 15-month vaccines in 1999, all while he received three vaccines that day, all while having an active ear infection and suffered an encephalopathy encephalitis from that and then was diagnosed three months later with full-blown autism. And it was plain as a nose on your face what did it because he lost his ability to look me in the eye, look my wife in the eye.

Starting point is 00:54:47 He lost his language pretty much overnight after he had fevered after receiving those vaccines. And so, you know, my my eyes were opened, you know, and and I saw this, you know, happen in real time. But, you know, he had no business getting vaccines that day. He had an active air infection. He received a live virus vaccine and two adjuvanted vaccines all at the same time. It was the perfect storm. But that opened my eyes and that led me on a journey looking specifically investigating the CDC and investigating, you know, collusion to commit fraud to preserve the vaccine program, not to save children's lives, but in order to save jobs and to make a lot of money. Yeah, I think it's a tragic story. I am so sorry to hear it, but it's a story I hear over and over again.

Starting point is 00:55:47 I spoke recently at an event for the Vaxxed on Vaxxed bus up in Spokane, Washington. Oh, wonderful. I miss you. I wish I would have been there. Yes. Well, and I heard this same story over and over again. I, like you, I had been called a vaccine zealot in the past. I spoke and wrote prolifically on the importance of vaccines. I was a huge believer in them. I am

Starting point is 00:56:14 heavily vaccinated myself prior to COVID. I have more vaccines on board than a lot of people because of where I've traveled in the world and what I've done for a living. And then I had my eyes opened and it's really been an existential crisis on my part as a physician to understand that so much of what we were taught in medical school, so much of the narrative has been a big lie that what's written in the journals, the journals are fundamentally the marketing arm for big pharma, and that the science, quote unquote, behind vaccines is very, very poor, heavily corrupted, and outright fraudulent in many cases. So I heard stories like yours, tragically, from parents who said, look, it was very clear that change in

Starting point is 00:57:07 my child happened within hours, 24 hours of receiving a vaccine. The vaccine was clearly the proximate cause of this neurologic injury. And I think we are obligated as a profession to be introspective and open and honest about what's going on here. So I really applaud you for your bravery. Where do you think this is going from your perspective? You're sitting kind of from your purview. What do you think is going to happen? Do we have more people getting on board? Where is this going to happen is do we have more people getting on board or, you know, what's,

Starting point is 00:57:53 where is this going to take us? Well, it's very difficult staring down the barrel at a potential H5N1 pandemic and then having more of the same, you know, it's like a rerun of I Love Lucy. I mean, here come Lucy and Ricky and Fred and Ethel all come back again with an mRNA vaccine that's in clinical trials right now that is going to save the world. But when you look at what's happening, about 4% of the parents surveyed prior to the COVID-19 pandemic questioned the vaccine schedule for their children, actually questioned it, and maybe opted out of one, several, or all of the vaccines. Now, when that same survey is done, it's about 30%. 30% of the parents are actually asking questions, good questions for their practitioners. Hopefully, they're getting good answers from their practitioners, and hopefully,

Starting point is 00:58:50 they're looking for good sources of information from those practitioners. But honestly, I think more and more people are waking up as the powers that be that foisted these vaccines on us very, very early without sufficient study, not even a drop in the bucket of sufficient study. People are really, really opening their eyes and they're seeing, fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you. And I'm sorry, opposite of that. But more and more people are starting to wake up and they're asking good questions of their practitioners and they're going to alternative sources for information. More and more people are also realizing that it's all about money. I mean, we now have this money

Starting point is 00:59:39 void because less and less people are vaccinating for COVID-19. Less and less people are getting their boosters. And so, of course, they're going to have to roll out another pandemic because we've got this bloated $100 billion worth of sales that went to Pfizer and Moderna, and they have to replace that somehow. Yeah, well, I think that you really hit the nail on the head. I mean, I think that there are other nefarious forces, but money is the, you know, you start with that, and it's clear that the U.S. government has a massive investment in mRNA technology through BARDA, the CDC, the FDA. They have massive amounts of money

Starting point is 01:00:29 set aside for this, the Department of Defense does, and they have to do something with this. So they have created, I believe, the next thing that would require an mRNA platform, there clearly are players out there like the, you know, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and others who would love to see this, the World Health Organization. Tedros has already been, you know, promoting the idea of an mRNA vaccine for all kinds of things, including bird flu. And this is absolutely where they wanted to go. But I think the bigger picture in my mind as a physician is when did we adopt the idea that we needed to vaccinate our way out of every single infectious disease out there? I mean, I hate to break you that there are myriad viruses and bacterium and pathogens out there. Lord, I mean, what you come into contact with on a daily basis and your best defense

Starting point is 01:01:32 is an immune system worth its salt, right? I mean, did you ever think we would get to the point where we thought we needed a vaccine for everything? It is untenable what is going on. When you look at the addition of the COVID-19 vaccine to the infant-child schedule of vaccinations, that is now 56 different vaccine doses before the 18th birthday and over 30 vaccine doses in the first year of life, including an mRNA vaccine that causes innate immune suppression. So we're going to have sicker children. I've got studies that Mr. Kennedy and I found in our book that showed that influenza hospitalizations went up when you got more annual flu shots. The more annual flu shots you got, the more susceptible you were to being hospitalized against, you named it, influenza. And so, you know, we're really destroying the natural immune system.

Starting point is 01:02:55 And less and less of this sort of control group that did not get vaccines growing up is around. And I think that ultimately the powers that be would love to destroy that control group because, you know, whenever I, and I spent a large portion of my career studying this control group, vaccinated versus unvaccinated children, vaccinated versus unvaccinated adults. And when you look at that control group, they are very, very healthy. They're, you know, they've got intact immune systems. They're not coming down with an ear infection a month, which was sort of my history with my son before we stopped vaccinating him. He was a walking ear infection from six months to 15 months. And yet that was really, when I started studying the unvaccinated, that was the first thing that stuck out was many of these families had not experienced a single ear infection. And for me and my experience with my family, that was something, you know, from Pluto. And to be clear, Brian,

Starting point is 01:03:52 this isn't just about infectious disease, that flogging the immune system in the way that we do with, you know, 56 vaccines, 30 in the first year of life. Flogging the immune system doesn't just put people at risk for infectious diseases, whether it's an ear infection or otherwise. It's a whole host of immune issues, not the least of which is cancer, autoimmune issues like Crohn's disease, multiple sclerosis, all of these things, eczema, psoriasis, peanut allergies, asthma, you name it, all of these things are immune mediated processes. And if you look at the unvaccinated populations, say the Amish, for example, the incidence of autism or food allergies, psoriasis,

Starting point is 01:04:42 Crohn's disease in the Amish is fundamentally zero. I mean, I couldn't agree more. You know, you look at, there was a journalist who used to work for the UPI who passed away several years ago. His name was Dan Olmsted and he studied the Amish and the only, the only Amish autistic children that he could find had actually been adopted into an Amish family after they had been vaccinated. And really, other than that, those that were growing up in the community, born in the community, raised in the community, there was virtually no autism in that. The other thing that really sticks out is that a lot of these children and adults with autism have other disorders. My son has Crohn's disease. A lot of autistic kids have eczema, psoriasis, and other autoimmune conditions. We treat my son with a biologic because of his ulcerative colitis and

Starting point is 01:05:49 his Crohn's disease. And so when you look at immune dysregulation, it can go a variety of pathways. And a lot of times, like in the case of my son, it can go multiple pathways as well. Yeah, it's really tragic. And again, I, you know, I would submit that if I would happily have this debate with anyone on the other side, if they feel that there's no way that it's vaccines, I'm open to that. I'd say, great. If you don't think it's vaccines, awesome. What, what's your theory? What's your theory for what's causing all of these things and they don't have a theory. And so I'm saying, you know, we are obligated as scientists to look at patterns, to observe what's happening, to look at the incidents. And in this case, the wildly increasing incidents of these different things, these different conditions and say, if you don't believe it's the vaccines as the

Starting point is 01:06:41 proximate cause, what do you think it is? Because we have got to come to some answers for this. So, you know, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your time. I know we're flashing that we're actually over time and the time has flown by. I'm hoping that we provided folks with some additional information about bird flu that will, again, fill in with facts, what's actually happening and heighten your, just be aware of what it is that's coming. If it starts to, if we start having those human to human cases, then, you know, you heard it here first, we know what's causing it. And again, there are other ways to handle this other than an mRNA shot. That is not the answer here. So anyway, thank you. I hope that you will continue to come back

Starting point is 01:07:32 with updates. This is not the last of it, Brian. Again, spoiler alert, this is not going away. So really, I'm hoping you'll come back in some weeks with an update and hopefully some good news about where this is going. But thanks again for coming. Well, thank you, Dr. Kelly. It's always a pleasure. And I would love to come back. I appreciate that. Terrific.

Starting point is 01:07:59 Terrific. We'll see you soon. Caleb, I think you're going to put up the upcoming schedule for Drew. I think Drew is back. I don't know when he's back. There you go. June 4th. Yep, June 4th. You've got Andrew Grewal. That'll be a fun show. So you've got some good shows coming up, including with Naomi Wolf. I'm sure she's giving lots of updates on what's going on. I just did a show with her recently. She's always fired up. You've got a great list there. So Drew will be back on the 4th. And in the meantime, everyone, facts not fear, no reason for panic. Keep a healthy skepticism. Healthy skepticism and healthy immune system is what you need to fight off what's coming next.

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Ask Dr. Drew - H5N1 Bird Flu: New Pandemic, New mRNA Vaccine, Same Old Story w/ Dr. Kelly Victory & Brian Hooker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 364

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