Ask Dr. Drew - H5N1 Bird Flu: US Orders 4.8m Vaccine Doses As New Vaccine Card Pilot Begins In EU w/ Naomi Wolf & Dr. Meryl Nass – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 388

Episode Date: August 4, 2024

“In order for bird flu to become dangerous to humans, it would have to acquire two different sets if mutations simultaneously…” writes Dr. Meryl Nass, a 40-year expert on epidemics. “That would only happen in a laboratory doing Gain Of Function research.” Naomi Wolf, Ph.D. is a bestselling author, columnist, and professor. She is recognized as one of the world’s most influential feminist writers. Wolf is a Rhodes Scholar, a graduate of Yale University, and received a doctorate from Oxford. She has written eight bestselling works of nonfiction, including The Beauty Myth, Give Me Liberty, and The End of America, and is co-founder and CEO of civic tech company https://DailyClout.io. Her latest book is “Facing the Beast: Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age.” Follow her at https://x.com/naomirwolf Dr. Meryl Nass is a board-certified physician with over 40 years of experience in all areas of internal medicine. She is a nationally recognized expert on epidemics who has consulted for government agencies around the world, especially focusing on anthrax, Zika, Ebola, and biological warfare investigations. Follow Dr. Nass at https://x.com/NassMeryl and at https://MerylNassMD.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://drdrew.com/capsadyn • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, we're going to check back in with a couple of our favorite guests and thinkers and freedom fighters on your behalf. That is, of course, Naomi Wolf and Meryl Nass. Dr. Nass, you can follow her at Nass Meryl, M-E-R-Y-L. She says the only way H5N1s, so-called bird flu, endangers humans is if a lab does gain-of-function research. We're going to get into that. And with Naomi, of course, she lives with an intelligence expert. We're going to talk a little bit about what's lurking in that arena, so to speak. But more importantly, we're going to talk about,

we're sort of dedicating ourselves at least a little bit to the bird flu today. The enthusiasm that our government seems to have for culling birds, for vaccinating humans, for creating a new H5N1 vaccine and making everybody take it. I don't understand where that's coming from, but we'll look into that right after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction,

fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous. I'm a doctor for. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.

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Or visit drdrew.com slash upside to claim this offer. One more time, drdrew.com slash upside, U-P-S-I-D-E, promo code D-R-D-R-E-W. All right, let's get to our guest. Of course, you guys know Naomi Wolf. She's been here multiple times. You can follow her on X at Naomi R. Wolf. Also, do check out her newest book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a New Dark Age. Meryl Nash will be here in a few minutes as well. We'll get her in here in a while, but first we're going to talk to one of the founders of DailyClout.io, Naomi Wolf. Welcome back. Thank you so much for having me, Dr. Drew. It's always such a pleasure to speak with you and

your lovely wife. So what, you know, we always love to catch up with what's on your mind. I keep thinking if people don't know you or they know you from your books years back, they might have trouble making a connection between the books you were writing about women 20 years ago and where you are now. Now, when I first got to know you, that was my first question. And that has come up for me a few times. It's why I'm starting here when I talk to people about my enthusiasm for your efforts. And explain how it's all the same for you. Thank you.

Well, I'm guessing that what you're referring to, and thank you for having the longer memory of my career. A lot of people just know me at certain times, you know, over time. I think you're referring to the fact that for about 35 years, I was kind of a fixture in legacy media and on the left for writing about feminism and women's issues. I was sort of a well-known third-wave feminist, and that was my primary focus. And then I moved into civil liberties with books like The End of America, Give Me Liberty. And to me, that continuum was really clear. I was interested in personal freedom, personal dignity uh civil rights human rights the right of everyone to live out his or her fullest potential and then then came the pandemic you know the lockdowns and then i did what i've always done which is ask questions about um bodily integrity

you know a journalist asking questions what a crazy thought a journalist investigating things and asking questions of authorities what where did that come from what a strange thing and um i'm not sure if i'm talking over you nope keep going great there's just a slight delay we're getting yeah we're getting a little choppy there's a little delay uh don't worry if you start talking i'll i'll back away so we'll always defer to you but the choppiness makes it a little more awkward than usual so keep going though no worries so just to wrap up the question of kind of how are they related, you know, after 2021, I began to report, as your lovely clips show, on harms, especially to women and children from the mRNA injection. 50 doctors and scientists we oversaw who've now issued 104 reports based on the pfizer documents released under court order um by successful lawsuit in the custody of the fda and these

have documented the greatest crime against humanity in recorded history i'm so and so it's all on a continuum because um because people have a right not to be murdered by the state people have a right not to be lied to or sterilized by the state uh people have a right you know according to our laws to have disclosure about what's in the um medications they're putting into their bodies uh and and to not to not have their elected officials coerce them or traffic their bodies or and not have corporations coerce them or traffic their bodies i'm just going to pick up my dog so that he does not bark um so that is that is how it is all the same uh it is how it is all the same um essentially even though i got kind of ousted from my perch in the legacy media, and now

I'm a kind of politically homeless independent journalist. Here you go, sweetheart. My wonderful husband will take the dog now. And so- Hey, Brian. Yeah, hi to Brian. And so that whole process of becoming, let's call it what it is, a freedom fighter. Can we just call it that? I mean, I think that's what we're talking about here. For our fighting for freedom, it's all the same thing. And the fact that it's interesting to me that the work I used to do, is Naomi frozen there for us? I'm trying to figure that out right now.

I was like counting and she didn't blink. So I think she is frozen. She might, she's coming back, but she can probably hear me. Yeah. She might be able to hear you. She might be refreshing her zoom right now. Okay. And so what I was going to say was, is that there's something that has occurred to me of late, which is that I spent a lot of time trying to cast off the yoke of the right, doing radio all those years, being assailed by various groups. If you remember the moral majority, remember the religious right, you remember the Tea Party, how dare I advocate for emergency contraceptives? How dare I advocate for, at the time i was advocating for the hpv vaccine

how any anything that made sexual health more safe for young people i was assailed by the right and what drove me crazy about the the criticism i was getting back then from the right it was not founded on any even basic understanding of the science they just didn't understand what they're even talking about and would assail me because they didn't like the sound of things and then we kind of got through that and now you and i both are getting assailed from the left for daring essentially to question the centralization of authority for a variety of really health functions, and that we've known forever that your most effective unit is a well-informed patient and a well-trained, caring physician. That's your best unit. Anything you take away from that unit,

you are diminishing the quality of health care. What is going on on the left, do you think? And can you hear me still now? You hear me all right, Naomi? I hear you, but I can't see you. I hear you. Oh, there we go. That's okay. I hear you.

Hearing is good. Because we see you. Chopply. Go ahead. I'm saying what is going on on the left. I was saying, what do you think is going on? How can they go from the party of uh and i i pointed this out i don't think you have this caleb handy but the the rallying cry of the left from

the 60s 70s even in the 80s was peter fonda in that one film in front of a judge where the the man was looking down on these young kids and and judge, a white guy with a skinny white tie, a 50 year old male says, what is it you want to do? And Peter Fonda says, we want to be free. We want to ride. We want to get high. We want to do what we want to do, man. And I was like, okay, that's the left of my entire life.

Now it's, no, no. We want you to listen to these people in the in washington of all places or let's even bring it over to switzerland or belgium let's centralize it over there and let's you make you listen to those guys that i know who they are or what their training is not they're not physicians how did we get here do you think? Oh, no, lost her again. She froze. I'm just going to say, if you can hear me, it's how did we get here? Yeah, well, I hope you can hear me. Yeah, well, I think that's a really complicated question, but I think there's been kind of a 30-year march from liberalism to actual Marxism, really, which I thought was laid to rest with, you know, the red diaper generation and the hearings about communism in the 1950s. But I am persuaded that it is not dead

and that they've been trying to subvert our institutions, subvert our elected officials, really subvert our culture, weaken and destabilize our culture for 30 years, really culminating in this administration, which I think is co-opted by China They're manufactured by China, distributed by China. They target Western Europe and North America specifically in a way that they don't the rest of the world. But this also has an impact, this kind of campaign has an impact on the left because I don't recognize the curricula that are being taught anymore. You know, I was an undergraduate in the 80s and we still read Western classics. Now it's racist to read the Western classics, right? It's, you know, our history has been erased

and a kind of collectivist discourse has been really systematically put in place to take the place of the liberal, the classical liberals individualist discourse, right? the place of the liberal, the classical liberals, individualist discourse, right? Freedom is about the individual, but the whole discourse so prevalent during COVID is you have to protect the community. You have to protect the group. Your individual rights don't matter. That's a Marxist social construct. And young adults are really being targeted with you know straight up marxist messages uh and and so are elected officials like dei is kind of a marxist you know premise that

the individual doesn't matter merit doesn't matter it's only kind of collective identities and collective power blocks that that matter these are not American ideas. These aren't Martin Luther King's ideas. So all of that was very deliberate, but someone made a point that I think has some truth to it, okay, which is kind of psycho, psychosexual almost, that especially, that the worst, the worst offenders are white women. Yeah, I think we can just agree about this kind of woke ideology and rigidity. And someone made the point that kind of the attack on, quote unquote, toxic masculinity, right? The premise, which is not feminism, it's some weird attack on the West that, you know, there's something wrong with men for being men. It's created a generation of men who are not comfortable being masculine or assertive or protective of women and children.

And what that led to was a group of women, privileged women especially, who were so eager to embrace authoritarianism. They were so eager to submit because they felt out of control. I'm not saying women have to be put under control. That's not what I'm saying, but it really resonated. I get what you're saying. That's really very, very interesting. It's the concept of containment, right? When people feel emotionally out of control, they will often rely on their partners, for instance, to contain them, to feel glued together. We all do some of that, but women tend to do a little more of that than men. And if you don't have a partner around that can help you contain, I suppose your theory is, and it's kind of interesting, the government has to contain you or somebody has to contain you or some centralized authority

needs to contain you and and it is so fascinating and yet this this thing has continued to roll along and i think we're entering a phase now where i'm seeing women both complain like crazy on social media where are the men where are the men woe is me and at the same time seeing the these sort of this uptick of sort of female coaches i want to call them or something or women commentating on the exactly what you're talking about saying no no no i would i i can say with a full voice i would like a man to be masculine and male. And here's why. I'm seeing a lot of that, which before that would have been repressed in some way. And by the way, I'm seeing it, which is kind of interesting.

I'm seeing it on TikTok, which people worry is a Chinese influenced platform. I see it on Instagram too, but there's something shifting. You know, Corolla always says that what we're going to end up with is safe spaces and octagons. You're going to just have these people that, because you're pushing people in two different directions. People that are just masculine men are going to hang out over here and they're going to get angry and more sort of siloed. And they're going to head towards the octagon and fight it out there. And the other population is going to run for the safe places yeah and and the and the states are going to divide that way and if you look at the difference between florida and california now

it's really already happening michael malice made the same point he felt that this was going to happen that there was going to be sort of a dispersal of the states. And especially it seems like that's going to happen when the horrible policies of places like California start to really create economic distress when places like Florida are thriving. No, you're absolutely right. And again, the algorithm can do that to us right it can feed um i mean there's so much messaging to to young women especially about you don't need a man you know you're better off without a man kick them to the curb kick him to the curb this is your revenge trip to Costa Rica with your girlfriends. I mean, like I literally, a young woman said to me recently, why do rom-coms end in marriage? And it like in our generation or probably for all of recorded history before now, it's kind of self-evident that a happy ending is you find the love of your life, you marry and have children. Right.

But now that's no longer. And you think of a rom-com that has ended in a happy marriage recently. I really can't, right? The glamorization is all about her surviving, going their different ways. It's fascinating. And a lot of songs, I literally can't remember the last time I heard a pop song in a woman's voice, which was a love song. Men still sing love songs. I miss her. No one's like her.

Young women don't. They're not hearing those songs. And I think that's very intentional. And so there's this messaging and the algorithm kind of is enforcing this, right, to drive women over in that direction, men over in that direction. They can't possibly communicate with each other and certainly the uh the algorithms also drive red america to think that blue america is a bunch of crazy baby killers who don't know what a woman is and blue america is getting stereotypes of red america that all they want to do is

you know turn them into stepford wives and, and, and chain them to, you know, the kitchen. And, and, and none of it is true, but we've lost those civic spaces like going to church or going bowling, right. Where we used to actually encounter real men, real women, real, you know, conservatives, real liberals, and kind of get past those labels and have real relationships. So it is a genuinely fragmented society which is exactly where our enemies want us to be you know uh i believe this generalization is factually true which is that shakespeare all the shakes plays generally, and this may apply to Greek as well, Greek plays,

if it's a tragedy, it ends in murder or death. If it's a comedy, it ends in a marriage. That is just all's well that ends well. All's well that ends well is a marriage. That's what ends it, all's well that ends well. And it's sort of the summary of the title. Ending well would be a marriage as far as history would determine. So before we bring Dr. Nass in here, I want to talk

about this sort of setup and talk a little bit with you about this move towards the bird flu. Dr. Peter Hotez made some comments I want to play for you recently i think it was on a television program that got people very uh concerned and reasonably so it seems so extraordinary that we're running there but let's take a look at that caleb if you could play that for us you know the health sector doesn't know what to do because this is now first and foremost a political problem. And what I've said to the Biden administration is the health sector can't solve this on its own. We're going to have to bring in Homeland Security, Commerce Department, Justice Department to help us understand how to do this. And I've said the same with I met with Dr. Tedros last month in Geneva, WHO, the director general, to say, I don't know that the World Health Organization can solve this on

our own. We need the other United Nations agencies. NATO, this is a security problem because it's no longer a theoretical construct or some arcane academic exercise. 200,000 Americans died because of anti-vaccine aggression, anti-science aggression. You know, when he says that, it's so interesting to me because where was he during H1N1 when 300,000 people died? That was about 14 years ago. And the Obama administration did nothing. And that was about 14 years ago and the obama administration did nothing and that was fine we made our way through it why wasn't he freaked out about that so it's i it's just so we need to bring in nato to to enforce uh vaccine policies is that really where we're going what are you saying Naomi yeah you know they tried to you know weaponize the state against a population 2021 2022 and 2023 they tried vaccine id cards they tried

um you know physically restraining people. They tried ejecting people from public spaces. And none of that worked. About a third of Americans, probably more, because I don't trust CDC data, refused to get vaccinated at all. And so they failed, right? They incentivized, they threatened, they delicensed people, people lost jobs.

But essentially, he and his evil, little, monstrous, demonic colleagues who are trying to create a control grid, as some people put it, they failed in that regard. So now what have they got? They've got military. and so they're trying to militarize medical dissent they're trying to criminalize medical dissent um and so listen to his language and i've made this case ever since i wrote the end of america and i looked at how democracies turn into fascist states or totalitarian states there's always this mission with language where free speech turns into violence, whether it's incitement or subversion, or in his case, he's talking, he's coining some phrases that have probably been focus group tested.

And there's probably a campaign with a global ad agency waiting in the works to release them. Anti-science aggression and anti-vaccine aggression. Well, that makes you and me, my friend, aggressors, anti-science and anti-vaccine aggressors. So who's being aggressed? We're creating victims. He's claiming that we've killed 200,000 people through our anti-science aggression. That makes us murderers. This is a brilliant rhetorical tactic to deflect from the fact that I'm saying that they're murderers, right? That they created a mass murder through these injections. So by doing this, tactic to deflect from the fact that we're i'm saying that they're murderers right that they

created a mass murder through mass murder through these injections so by doing this and then bringing in he's really it's like a mafia type threat you know bringing in the justice department department of homeland security nato right multiple layers of like federal law enforcement um you know meta federal law enforcement global law enforcement the un right meta national well if he can get the un to adjudicate our anti-science aggression that transcends our rights under the constitution that say you know have a first amendment right for example that's gone if it's NATO and the UN in the power, which is what goes to Merrill Nass, right? This is what they're trying to do along by moving health policy

to a transnational context. But he's basically serving as their little bitch. I'm sorry. I try to be nice, but that man is just so... You have trouble with that, Naomi. You have trouble being nice so it's interesting i i was uh talking to sage steel recently and she you know was forced to take a vaccine to take her job and she described how violated she felt when she took the vaccine at

that moment because she'd always been so careful with her about her bodily integrity and she particularly was upset then and even more so now with the understanding that she really didn't have informed consent to go ahead with this. She was just forced into it. And given what she knows now, she doesn't think she would do it at all,

forced or otherwise. And that we played that clip. Caleb, you put that clip. I don't know if you saw this. And there was violent rhetoric in response to it. She's not anti-vaccine. She wasn't I don't know if you saw this, and there was violent rhetoric in response to it. She's not anti-vaccine. She wasn't saying don't take the vaccine. She was talking about bodily integrity and informed consent. I can't stand this anti-vaccine aggression and misinformation.

Caleb, I don't know if you, did you see all that? Yeah, yeah. But did you see all that rhetoric? Yes, I saw that. And I actually, I don't know if you noticed, but I saw her interview was so important that a couple of days ago, I clipped out that 30 minute segment of just her interview and uploaded it up to your channels because it was so good. And if you want,

I have a 60 second version of it right here. All right, let's show you what we were talking about. And this created horrific aggression. I literally had just come from the stupid grocery store pharmacy getting the shot. I get choked up because something in me changed at that moment where I'd always had control of my body. And at that moment, I didn't. And in order to keep my job and support my family and a job, by the way, that I loved, that dream. Since I was 11 years old, I was living it. So I just said, listen, I think it's sick and scary for any company to force their employees

to do something like this. And that was the beginning of the end. And I will say this, I ended up filing a lawsuit because they suspended me while at the same time allowing my peers to go on ESPN platforms and speak about their politics. And my son in particular saw their mom not cower to Disney when I was scared to death and didn't have the money to fight them. That story you just told us is something that should be laid down in the history book. And there we go. So, Naomi, I have to take a little break here. That's sort of a perfect way to roll into Dr. Nass joining us.

We're going to talk a little more about the bird flu. We're going to talk more about where she's been at with interfering with the so-called international treaty around health care. And, Naomi, I hope you'll stay with us. I'm hearing that your husband may be able to join us also at the top of the hour for a second to give us a primer on intelligence concerns. There's a lot going on in the world. I don't know that I've ever been quite this nervous and unhappy about things, but I'm trying to ignore it. But I know Brian won't let me,

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And congratulations to Kat, Timp, and Kim. And then finally, of course, our friends at WTWC. They continue to be extraordinary. And we're going to talk about the bird flu in a second. We have put stuff in. We are trying to keep abreast of what seems to work from an antiviral standpoint if the bird flu should become a problem.

And we're adding these things to some of our emergency kits. So let's bring Naomi Wolf. Drew, are you excited to be a New York grandpa too? I mean, Kat's kind of like a daughter to you. So we're going to have a baby in New York and one here. Right. We're double grandparents. One of our son is having a child.

And our uncle Drew. I need to bring Naomi on the screen because she just reacted to that. I don't think she knew. So you should have seen her reaction when you said that. Oh, I know. So yes, we are going to be grandparents, which is the choke on it. Wonderful. That's so great. Thank you. It's going to continue. They didn't, they didn't.

I know. Right. You're so right. I mean, this should be this it's, it's really, I, I, I have, you know, I'm, I'm a biologist by training and i have no i have zero problem when people uh worry about what the meaning of life is and why are we here on earth i have zero problem saying that my purpose in its entirety was to move genes forward that's my purpose that's my biological purpose and i'm'm perfectly fine to that. That sustaining the species is cool with me. And that was my job. And I feel like I've done so.

But getting to grandchildren, actually, it turns out from an evolutionary standpoint, is an important step in making sure that things keep moving through. So let's get Dr. Nass in here. Speaking of biology, Dr. Nass was trained at MIT to begin with. Let me get her bio. She's, of course, a board-certified internist, 40 years of experience. Now she recognized an expert in epidemics,

consultant with governments. You can follow her at NASS, N-A-S-S, Merrill, M-E-R-Y-L on X. And she has dooroffreedom.org. Welcome, Dr. Nass. Thank you for coming back. Hey, thanks for having me again. Tell us about Door of Freedom before we mix this up here, the bird flu.

Door to Freedom. Door to Freedom. Door to Freedom. Uh-oh. Yeah, it's a 501c3. I started last year to fight the WHO, basically. You remember we talked about that. The WHO had two treaties it was trying to bring

forward that would have given the WHO enormous power whenever it declared a public health emergency of international concern it could basically take over public health for the world that was the goal. In addition they wanted to create a library of potential pandemic pathogens which is another way of saying biological warfare agents, and they would share them and they would be in control of them. So there were other – they wanted also a lot of surveillance, all kinds of surveillance, your medical records, your throat, your animals, et cetera. But – And you've had success. You've had success in thwarting it.

Yes. It seems like for the moment. We could have been, we stopped. So the treaty, the pandemic treaty did not go through and the nations agreed to give it 12 more months. So I've had about 20 months to negotiate it so far before that meeting and

the international health regulations that were being massively amended, almost all the bad amendments got whittled out. So at the end, they passed something, but it had very little substance. Apart from the encouragement to nations to surveil their citizens' social media, their online footprint, and to address. The word they finally came up with was address misinformation and disinformation, which, of course, every country is already doing one way or another. So, and nation, governments seem to love having, you know, the imprimatur that they're doing

what the WHO says when they're addressing misinformation, which I want to tell all your audience is not a crime. There is no such thing as misinformation and disinformation. It's speech. We're allowed to say whatever we want. It's not a crime. U.S. government and other governments would like to make it a crime. They have all kinds of names for it.

They're calling it hate speech in some countries. But the First Amendment in the United States says we can say whatever we want. You saw Dr. Hotez suggesting that we need to get the World Health Organization, NATO, Homeland Security, Justice Department involved in suppressing said free speech. Exactly. Because these people are totalitarians. He would like to control every vaccine that goes into your arm and perhaps control every piece of food that goes into your body

because he thinks he knows best. Dr. Hotez has long worked on biological defense, which is another word for biological warfare. He has patented a lot of vaccines and products for this industry. So it is no wonder that he wants every manner possible to impose his will on the public, because the more vaccines we get, the better off he will be. Wow. And Dr. Nass,

you, yeah, we see it, Kayla, what you're putting up there, but you put out, I linked to something. Let me see what the name of it was,

which I thought was the best review of the bird flu out there. The bird flu update in six minutes. Give us, give us two minutes. Give us two minutes on that six minute update and what we should watch out for with the bird flu update in six minutes. Give us two minutes on that six-minute update and what we should watch out for with the bird flu. What's going right? What's going wrong there? Okay. So there's lots of viruses around. And if you don't look for them, generally, you don't even know they're there. People die, animals die, chickens die. We started looking at H5N1 bird flu 24 years, 27 years ago, when it killed a handful of people in Hong Kong. And that was the first time anyone knew that this

particular virus could kill anybody or that people could even get it. In the 27 years since then, the WHO says it's killed a total of 463 people. And since the beginning of 2020, the WHO says it's only killed eight people in the whole world. This is nothing to worry about. It has never spread person to person. It may or may not be killing a lot of chickens. We don't know because as soon as they get a PCR test that's positive, all the chickens in that chicken house or that farm have to be culled.

So the United States government has spent half a billion dollars reimbursing farmers for the chickens that the US government ordered to be killed to stop the spread of an H5N1 virus that now has affected 14 Americans, none of whom went into the hospital none died most of them just had pink eye conjunctivitis it doesn't matter because for over 20 years the u.s government and internationally the who jeremy farrar who's the chief scientist of the who tony fauci have been spreading a narrative that the bird flu is very dangerous. And if you got it, it was, you know, 463 people died. That's dangerous to a degree, but it's never caused a pandemic. As I said, no person to person spread. But the plan has been for over 20 years to make vaccines for bird flu. And there are other bird flu viruses, and they've made vaccines for those also.

And now the time has come, and these institutions that are interested in globalism and totalitarian approaches to public health have started saying out loud that it's time to think about when we give humans the bird flu vaccine. And there are a number of them. There are at least six in the United States that have been developed. There are more in Europe. We have stockpiles of at least two different bird flu vaccines. And we did this starting in 2007, believe it or not.

Have they been tested? They've been tested? For humans? They've been tested to a small extent. The first one was only tested in 103 people. And during that trial, one died, one had a stroke, one had breast cancer, and one had a bleeding disorder. So they stopped testing that one. Was it a mRNA platform or a traditional platform?

It was an ordinary platform. Eggs. You know, chicken eggs. Second vaccine was Glaxo 2013. And these were licensed. These have been given a license by FDA. That was a Glaxo with an ASO3 novel squalene adjuvant. That one they tested in over a thousand people and there were problems with that one too. And they went on to another one. This is Sequerus. It's made in dog kidney cells in a factory built for the purpose in Holly Springs, North Carolina,

that the taxpayer paid $500 million for. And that one also contains a novel squalene-containing adjuvant, MF59. And the U.S. government has ordered 4.8 million doses of that one. The Europeans have ordered almost an identical vaccine. It's actually an H5N8. I'm going to stop you. And a couple of things. One, so the two earlier vaccines were fully licensed. They would not be under emergency use authorization. They would be fully available, even though the side effect profile was concerning. But at least we can do, I'm trusting they were properly done instead as we can do informed consent if we suggest that to somebody but this persistent flu with a relatively hang

on a second but the i know you're gonna disagree with that but but this my point is going to be that this persistent preoccupation with this virus tells the story of bio warfare there's just no other interpretation of this why would you be so preoccupied with this virus unless somebody was screwing around with it and i thought that when they started getting alarmed by what was going on with the chicken farmers here because there was no nothing to be alarmed at that oh they must be alarmed because they're messing with the with the virus itself and now you're telling me a story that I did not know that is the footprint of how governments chase biowarfare potential. There it is. Yes. And in fact, there are many chicken

viruses that can transmit to humans. There are at least five or six that have in the past, didn't transmit person to person, and governments have made model vaccines, prototype vaccines for many of them already. So when I looked at a list of vaccines that the WHO compiled just for like the last six years, there were about 30 or 40 different prototype vaccines for all these different bird flu viruses. And in fact, those three that got licensed were all H5N1. All of them had safety problems. And now it seems the US government and Europe are moving on to an H5N8.

So a different neuraminidase. I saw that. That's what they are wanting to roll out they have rolled it out in finland for 10 000 people starting in june so i want to bring naomi back in and naomi i was just thinking uh that every time i talk to you i feel like i need to apologize for being as sexist as i was and being so dismissive about menstrual reg. It really is so disturbing to me that I would, that it really is. It's tormenting. I feel it, Dr. True. Amen.

It was super sexist. It was super dismissive, super pathetic. And it's an embarrassment that I was that way. But there's probably other things. You need to apologize to me too. I do apologize to you. I apologize to all women. He liked the vaccine too. I do apologize to you. I apologize to all women.

He liked the vaccine, too. Remember, he liked the vaccine. Well, liked. Well, that's kind of what I want to talk about. Because liked is, you know, I find myself very mixed as the information unrolls here. Particularly, I'm thoroughly convinced that the spike protein is the toxic pathogenic mechanism, both in COVID and from the vaccine, and that we've made a spike factory vaccine is just insane to me. It's insane. I mean, if you're 85 years old, it's worth the risk to you. Fine. 90, fine. But 17-year year old male or 40 year old female i i don't get it but but but my

i i'm sitting around and ruminating a bit and i'm still thinking about the platform and i know naomi you've had very serious concerns about the mrna platform the and the lipid nanoparticles and whatnot where where has that evolved for you now? You were worried about lipid nanoparticles deposition in the uterus and the endometrium and in the ovaries, but these were all kind of, I don't know, they were concerns, but I don't know that we really substantiated them or have you. Tell me where we're at today. Okay. My head explodes once again. So abundantly confirmed. In fact, I don't mean to call you out, except I will just now because unfortunately— That's what I want.

That's why I bring it up. That's why I bring it up. Because it's not that—it's not in the—it's not—the lexicon, the literature is kind of going back and forth. And as I know, the literature is very adulterated. So I want you to straighten me out. So the literature going back to before the pandemic isn't ambiguous. It's been known for 10 years that lipid nanoparticles, well, you know, you can confirm this to Dr. Nass, if you like, or contradict it from your knowledge base. But in 10 years, they've known that lipid nanoparticles

degrade human reproductive function and they do that by the mechanism of lipid nanoparticles which is so creepy lipid nanoparticles traverse membranes they traverse every membrane in the human body everything kind of stabilize the human body you know they just and and what we found dr robert chandler one of our experts um found confirming something that was found a year previously that in the pfizer documents it shows that the lipid nanoparticles don't stay in the deltoid they they get into every organ in the human body for sure for sure well established yes brain and spleen exactly so there's nothing ambiguous about this and when you think about human reproduction the fact that they're traversing the placenta confirmed we're getting premature babies we have dramatic rises

in miscarriage rates there are a million missing babies in western europe babies that haven't been born according to ig Igor Chudov. We know the mechanism because the babies can't get enough oxygen or food in utero because of the compromised status of this barrier, which is the uterus holding the placenta. And then Amy Kelly found that the lipid nanoparticles degrade the membrane holding the testes and so they degrade the sertoli cells and the latic cells which are the factories of masculinity masculine hormones so we don't even know if the babies whose

moms were vaccinated will grow up to develop into normal adult males with secondary sex characteristics but what i want to ask people like with all due respect to Robert Malone, who, you know, rightly claims to have been in on the, on the creation of these mRNA injections in terms of the COVID injection is what were you thinking? Cause it's been known for so long. It's so well-established that lipid nanoparticles degrade human sexual function. I mean, there are studies, right now people have to Google lipid nanoparticles human sexual

function. They'll see studies going back to 2017 and earlier showing that they do. No, you did not disappoint me because last time we had this conversation, you were sort of saying, we've seen this, we've seen that, now you're saying it is so. And I take your word for that. But Dr. Nass, certainly you see the literature that I see going back and forth. And I just sort of sit and, well, God, what do I do with this? How do I reconcile this? The opinions are so different and wildly all over the place. And let me defend myself a little bit about liking the vaccine.

I did not know any of what Naomi just educated us about. And it was an emergency, and I was willing to tolerate a certain amount of risk in an emergency. And once it became increasingly clear that there was a really serious problem here, I was not okay with it. I have allowed my patients to get boosted if they wanted to, but I would always tell them, I can't really do informed consent with you because I don't know what we're doing. Yeah, it's a whole different thing. I have elderly patients

and it's internal medicine practice, as you know, Meryl. But help me reconcile, what can I do except sit and look at the back and forth and literature and go, okay, I'm going to wait, I guess, to reserve judgment

on all of these platforms until we get a consensus. Or are we never going to get a consensus? Okay, so if you're now switching to platforms for vaccines in general, I think- Or an mRNA platform, mRNA platform. Okay. The mRNA does require a lipid nanoparticle or something else to protect, similar to protect the mRNA. So you've got a problem right there. But you also don't have an off switch. So in any other vaccine, any normal vaccine, traditional vaccine, you have a dose.

You give a half a milliliter, right? You don't give five milliliters. You don't give 10 milliliters. You give a specific dose. When you give an mRNA vaccine, you're not giving a dose because you do not know how many cells that's going to get into. You don't know how much is going to be produced and you don't know for how long. So you're actually required to have one of the three things that FDA requires from all drugs and vaccines is to have a specific dose, you know, to know how much you're giving. And you can't know that with an mRNA platform. So I think the platform is just no good. In the case of COVID vaccines, what we know is that a particularly toxic part of multiple areas of the RNA in the virus are in fact synthetic and intended to cause autoimmune effects, to affect our immune function, and to do other things such as get into more cells. So normally when you have a virus, you have a limited number of organs it goes into or a limited number of species.

You know, it either goes into the lungs, but it doesn't also go into the kidney and also go into the liver. But in this case, COVID did all of that. It went everywhere. when the vaccine was made, instead of the normal way of making a vaccine, which is you choose a non-toxic, but immunogenic portion of the genome, they chose the most toxic part and didn't really look. Which is wild. And kept pushing and keep pushing that.

It's weird. It's so weird to me. That part I'm absolutely clear on. I mean, we have whole viral vaccines out there. Why aren't they, the vaccine is so important. Why aren't we pushing the whole viral vaccine? Right. Or a split, uh, you know, I mean, there are so many platforms and yet the two that we wound up with was a DNA and an RNA. Um, neither of which, uh, did we know how long it was going

to be in, you know, in effect for and how much was going to be made. And to be clear, to your point, Dr. Nass, a friend of mine who I interviewed on this show over the years a couple times who got severely vaccine injured, like disabled by it after the first booster I think he got. It's to your point that it's usually not the first one, it's the second or third. When something happens that this off switch just does not come on. And we can correlate that kind of post-long COVID vaccine syndrome with continued production of antigen

and continued production of antibody. You can see it, you can measure it. So it's clear that these long syndromes, long vac syndromes, are caused by that vacs not turning off and we don't know why that happened or in whom that's going to happen right exactly and how to deal with it um what else was i going to say um the the other thing is that I'm sorry, that are harmful. I mean, if they did all these other things to harm us, if they knew they were going to harm us with a lipid nanoparticle and with the spike protein, why wouldn't they have added some other messenger RNA to harm us in other ways? Because small bits of RNA can turn genes on and

off and have, you know, many effects in the body. So, you know, I don't think we've come to the end of figuring out what was the plan and why they want to keep giving this to us when it doesn't, everybody knows it doesn't make sense. And now why they want to start giving us bird flu vaccines for a disease that doesn't yet exist right and i know naomi and your husband brian has a sinister explanation go ahead i mean you could say it's sinister or you could say it's kind of well informed by history i mean people have tried to invade other people's countries for as long as there's been recorded history. And bio-warfare goes back to, you know, tribes catapulting diseased animals over the walls of walled cities.

I mean, 4,000 years before the birth of Christ. So yeah, Brian's and my analysis kind of dovetails. When my original research found that the injection was made, manufactured, the IP was transferred to China, and that China had opened 14 manufacturing centers in Western Europe and 11 in the United States. And so it was in control of basically what was going into your arm. And they're our existential enemy. As Brian says, they want our land. They want our water resources. They want our energy grid. They want our food supply.

They don't want our population, right? So what happens when you keep injecting people with something damaging? What we see all around us, that the existing american population is getting sick according to ed dowd a million people a month they're identifying newly as disabled um there's excess deaths and people aren't well they're just not well you know even if they're not dead or disabled they're not well and then coming in over the border for 18 to 20 million people who are not being vaccinated, who come from totalitarian countries or who come from enemy countries, many of them, not like any refugees or immigrants anywhere in the world that I've ever seen, certainly historically,

not like any in this country before. And they're being shipped to strategic points around this country. And crime is escalating. And many of them, according to Brian's co-host, J.J. Correll, who's a former border agent, have ties to terrorist organizations. Well, this is a war. I mean, it's almost a conventional land invasion, right? And so as Ed Dowd says, just wait five years, the population of Americans that got the injection are going to be sick or disabled or dead. And there's a, you know, I hate to say it because it's so politicized, but a replacement population that's robust. Look at the people coming over the border. They're not just fighting age, they're reproductive age, you know, fighting ageage men, reproductive-age women in perfect health.

I've been in refugee communities around the world. There are always old people, disabled people, people in wheelchairs, you know, many, many babies. You're not seeing that coming over the border. You're seeing people ready to being deployed to remake America. And I've also found, and other people have confirmed this, a three-country staging area funded by the UN, you know, Peter Hotez's friends, and our State Department designed to support and facilitate this migration across our border of these very healthy people who are not being injected. And so there's a war on the West, there's a war on the United States, and the globalists' plan is to not have a superpower

that is the United States of America, and to not have Western Europe with our troublesome ideals, or at least Britain's and Europe's former ideals, our current ideals, struggling of freedom of speech, constitutional rights, rule of law, that's being written into the past, even as we speak. Do either of you have an opinion on this so-called pilot of vaccine ID cards, speaking of Europe, that the EU is contemplating? Yes. So the EU developed a vaccine passport during COVID. It didn't really get picked up very much. They transferred it to the WHO last year. The WHO has been pushing that out in the third world. sort of roll out their, of course, it has a new name, the vaccine card in five nations as a pilot program to try to make people think this is something good for them. And instead of imposing it, suggesting that as they travel from country to country, this one card, this one electronic,

you know, vaccine passport will help them, you know, get across borders in the event of any infectious disease. The thing is, as I was looking into this organization, it looks like they're, it's a bunch of young kids. They've gotten about $13 million. It's not really enough to roll out a big program, but it probably looks like a benign organization. And, you know, some people will go along with it. I think that, you know, it's a test. If they manage to actually, you know, release a bird flu that suddenly transmits person to person and causes severe disease, the current version doesn't do either. But if they release something that does because you can make it. I mean, what's his name? Former head of the CDC, Robert Redfield, said he could make it in the lab in weeks to months. I think it'd be very easy.

If that is released, then they're definitely going to come up with a vaccine. And what will be the purpose of the virus and the vaccine? More control. vaccine and what will be the purpose of the virus and the vaccine you know more control um you know i don't know who's in charge i mean when we say it's all the chinese yes the chinese may have something to do with it but it was the americans that imposed covid restrictions on us it was the americans that developed the vaccines it was the americans that mandated them. So, you know, there are a lot of people involved. This is a very lucrative enterprise. The biodefense enterprise has for at least the last 20 years, pushing out fear of bird flu, creating the organization with Bill Gates hydroxychloroquine in order to keep the pandemic going until a vaccine could come out. So this guy, he's also the co-discoverer of bird flu. In 2003, in Vietnam, he published a New England Journal article on this bird flu, H5N1, in 2004. So Jeremy Farrar, he's also the guy who Fauci used to cover up the origin of COVID.

He got that whole phone call together, got the article, Approximal Origins of COVID, published. Anyway, so he's really central to this. Yes, in Nature. He tried to get it in Nature. to this. Yes, in Nature Medicine. He tried to get it into Nature. They wouldn't take it in Nature, and then he got it into Nature Medicine. Interesting. I thought it was in the main journal.

I'd heard recently Nature Medicine. All through the early parts of the pandemic, it was just Nature. I'm going to have you comment, Naomi, as well. But I just want to say, I to again, fall on my sword a little bit about something that I've had to adjust course on. I was one of these people that when the Patriot Act came along, I was like, well, what's the big deal? I got nothing to hide. If they want to look into my whatever, fine. Look at, look at whatever. COVID unfortunately taught me that you give the governments any power, any authority. Oh my God, you will rue the day. I don't care what it is. And so when I look at a card and stuff like this, I immediately, that wouldn't have bothered me 10 years ago.

Now it's like, nope, nope, not more. But Naomi, go ahead. No, I was just going to say what Dr. Nass spelled out is really important for us to wrap our brains around. The fact that it is, in my view, China, and she's exactly right it's also the united states which honestly you know makes my head when people point out how much collusion by how many people in our own government uh aligned with china and the globalists to roll this out so

i guess what i really want to stress is we're in a time of warfare that's so nefarious, we have to imagine what she's describing, which is, she describes it really well, a biomedical slash biodefense slash governance nexus floating around above our heads around the world that is trying to solidify a control grid above everything we think we understand, above nation states, above treaties, above normal boundaries and borders. That's what's happening. And thank heavens for your knowledge base, Dr. Nass, because it's hard. This has never happened before in the history of the world. So it's hard for people, including me, to kind of go, oh my God, it's a whole grid and it's happening because it's so lucrative and it's happening

kind of it's hovering above everything we think of as our institutions in which you know people who are enemies on paper can be allies in making buckets of money by trafficking the bodies of people in all of their countries. Yes, exactly. I mean, that's how all the countries did the lockdowns together and restricted the hydroxychloroquine and the ivermectin together. That only happens if you have some entity that is above all of our national governments and is giving them orders.

And one of the ways that they can carry this out is because there's so many young global leaders who were heads of state when COVID occurred. Most of them have been thrown out. Macron's still there. But, you know, they were trained for this, to obey and to carry out their orders. So the World Economic Forum has has been i don't think they're the the people sitting on top but they're a mechanism by which multinational multi-nations can all act together at the same time against their own people

yeah macron is still there but keep an eye on france that it's a lesson in how people take a power nefariously. And it's not him. He's the one trying to navigate it right now. So I actually support him now. But be that as it may, normally it takes your husband, Brian Naomi, to upset me and make me depressed and get me to the emotional space I'm in right now after talking to the two of you. But here we are again. Susan, anything anything i see you

reaching for your microphone we wanted brian but we couldn't fit him on that tri-pit we got we got a big dose of brian through naomi trust me it came came right on through uh no sorry i was just gonna say on a happier note you know there's such nefarious forces arrayed against us, but millions of people resisting has really held them at bay a lot better than one would have thought, better than I predicted two years ago. Wouldn't you say, Dr. Nass, people like you and your colleagues? I think that's true because what they are trying to do is so abhorrent to everyone that the only way they can bring it forward is basically undercover of darkness and once we start exposing it as so my organization is now focusing on the attack on food and agriculture because that's another nobody wants there to be less food and nobody wants the food to be poisoned or filled with messenger rna or anything else

so it's just a question of exposing it. And then everyone agrees. And they can't really get away with it. The UN is trying to put forward this Pact for the Future, which is not a treaty, but it is a sort of a framework document that they'll get all the countries probably to agree with. It's very nonspecific.

We want to end poverty. We want to end hunger. We all want to work together. We're going to give lots of money to make the planet cooler and everybody sing kumbaya. And then based on that, governments will probably try and enact laws or policies that will be very restrictive. And we will expose them and where they came from, that this is a UN thing. And just because you have a delegate at the UN who went along with this doesn't mean your nation goes along with it. What we were able to do with the WHO was to get 22 attorneys general, 24 governors, and

the legislatures of two states to all say no our state has sovereignty over health and according to the constitution and we are not going to obey any orders coming down from the who and i think that was one of the central ways we were able to stop them because the rest of the world looked and said wait a minute the united states is pushing this but now they're not going to even obey why should we you know what is this well the human instinct the human instinct for freedom and liberty goes you know it's eternal the egyptians william wallace statue of liberty sits outside the harbor and you know the french it's just it's just a thing in humans and so uh if you are a freedom individual, of which there are always many, you must fight for it.

And we forgot. We went through a period where we forgot that we have to always fight for it because forces array that want to, for reasons that are hard to really understand, frankly, they want to diminish it and squash it. And thankfully, in this country, we have the genius of the system that our founding fathers put together. And amongst that is the state system, which is proving to be very, very resilient part of how we resist this kind of thing. I appreciate you both being here door to freedom.org for Dr. Nass also at Nass Merrill on X Naomi,

Naomi R Wolf on as well as daily that's on X as well as dailyclout.io this has been really interesting you've gaffed me in again and i appreciate it and it lined up some of my thinking and i hope you've affected a lot of other people as well i'm afraid these conversations will happen again in the future as this bird flu thing whether it's h5n1 or h uh what what is it h1n5 i don't know which one they're going for now. The various flus that are out there, they seem to be preoccupied with, which means they're monkeying with it.

And so we will have other things to talk about in the future. Appreciate you both being here very, very much. Thank you so much, Dr. Drew. Thank you. Thank you, guys. And for us coming up, tomorrow is a noontime program. We'll let Caleb roll that up there. Bacha,

let's see if I can get the list up here. Yeah, Bacha Angar Sagar. She was on with me and Megyn Kelly this morning and she is terrific. And Jennifer Van Laar is coming in as well. Susan has her program with comedian Zhao Ying Summers. I'll let you talk about that in a second. Dr. Victory is going to be here on the 7th.

We're going to be out that day on the 8th. I'm not sure who my guest will be, but Susan is having a transhumanism expert. Scott Adams comes in on the 12th. That'll be a special Monday show. And then on Tuesday, Jonathan Turley. A lot of stuff coming. September 5th, back to school with Salty Cracker. Just great guests coming.

Great things. Lots of surprises lined up for you. Susan, you want to talk about your show for tomorrow? we're making a conscious connection with the xiao ying summer she's a comedian and she's gonna go out like on a little speed dating event with some poor soul three people what is she gonna do to that man those men you watch your instagram she whoo okay so great so that's a that's a three o'. And do you want to talk about who's going to be there with you? I'm sorry. What?

Who's going to be with you tomorrow? Besides Jerry? We have psychic rebel Colby and that's it. All right. So we appreciate y'all being here. Caleb, anything for you today? I know you're,

these, these episodes get you emotionally riled up as well as myself. No, it's always, always just so great to hear from them. And it's also always funny whenever I go into the comments and people are attacking Dr. Nass, and I'm like, you obviously have not done five minutes of Googling this woman.

She's been an expert in this stuff since before I was born. And let me say it again. You may be saving your life. I've said it in front of her many, many times, and I want you to understand this. Because I was training in undergraduate programs in New England at that time, and the people that got into MIT

and the biological training they got was exceptional. They don't train people like that. People with postgraduate programs are required to get the kind of rigor that was done back in those days. I saw it. I was subjected to it myself to a certain extent. There was a lot going on. And on top of that, if you went to MIT or Caltech in the 70s, which she did, you did not get into medical school because they had grade deflation of those institutions. So the fact that you were able not get into medical school because they had grade deflation of those institutions. So the fact that you were able to get into medical school

after being at MIT then, that period of history, means that you were the top, top, top in an extraordinary, rarefied group. So that's who Meryl Nass is. And then she has all these 40 years of experience as an internist. And so she's not to be taken lightly. And of course, Naomi, her record speaks for itself in terms of publications yeah uh it's just great to see a journalist doing journalism i you know that's really what

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