Ask Dr. Drew - Human Dissector Nicole Angemi Examines Unusual Deaths, Bodies & Blood Clots – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 141

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

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And welcome everyone. Today we are going to welcome Nicole and Jemmy for the first part of the show. And then we'll be taking your calls after that. We were out on Twitter spaces. You guys are slowly piling in there. And of course I'm watching you also on the restream. And over at the Rumble Rants where there's nobody just yet. So you guys got to pile in there as much as possible. So Nicole has a new book out. We'll be discussing it and she'll show it to you as soon as she comes in here. The book you can order, it comes out today. It's Nicole and Jemmy's Anatomy book.

There it is. It's an extraordinary book, a catalog of familiar, rare, and unusual pathologies. And we will be talking about rare, unusual, and familiar pathologies today. Get a little bit about COVID. And again, as I said, later, we'll get your calls in here. That'll be at the top of the hour. We will go out on Twitter spaces and take calls. But let's get right to Nicole's interview.

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please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Hey, everyone. Welcome. Nicole has, of course, one of the most popular Instagram accounts out there. It is at MrsMRS underscore Angemi, A-N-G-E-M-I. If you like some of the stuff that's in the book here, you will love all the grossness

that people, that she shows on the Instagram account, as well as her website, The Grossroom, G-R-O-S-S, thegrossroom.com. Please welcome Nicole and Jemmy. Hi, Drew. How are you? I'm great. So tell us what's in the book, they should buy the book why you wrote the book what's going on? So I wrote the book because as you know on Instagram I post all the time and I don't really have an organized way of showing people exactly what happens in the human body So the book is kind of an A through Z tour through the human body of all your different body parts and all the different types of things that could go wrong with all your body parts. And I give a brief introduction in the beginning of my life and my background working in pathology. And also I just talk about my kind of theory of the human body and why I think it's important to share this kind of stuff.

Give me a thumbnail of that if you don't mind because i know you and i share a similar feeling which is just that it's matter of fact people should it's why i did love line it was also simple and basic and people should understand this material because why not exactly yes they should understand their pathology they should understand their anatomy they should understand their pathology. They should understand their anatomy. They should understand a little bit about how their body works. Give them also a little sketch on how this happened to you, how you went from nursing school. You talk about this in the book a bit, how, I'm like one of the original teen moms. I had my daughter when I was in ninth grade and I didn't really know what I was going to do with my life. So I thought, hey, I'm just going to go to college and become a nurse because that's what girls do. Right. And I started going to college and took the basic classes like biology and algebra and all those types of things. And then I soon found out that I really liked science and I didn't want to be a nurse at all because I took biology for my very first class. And I had never taken biology because I dropped out of high school. So it was new and interesting to me. And I got to look under the microscope for the first time. And that's, I immediately

fell in love with science right away. and you ended up liking what was under the microscope ending up in a cytopath lab right yeah so basically if you want to know how I got into that my teacher was a microbiologist and she was she worked as a microbiologist in the hospital and she kind of introduced me to that world. And then I got a job right away in the hospital working in microbiology, just like putting urine on Petri dishes and stuff like that. And then I kind of just fell into it from there. Then I went to school to be a cytotech, which is looking at cells under the microscope. And then I got a job doing that. And then that's how I kind of, that's a division of anatomical pathology.

And that's how I discovered the whole world of gross and gross pathology, organs, autopsies. So, I mean, that went over a course of, you know, 10 years or whatever, but it was, I make it seem a lot faster than it was, but it was, you know, I fell in love with science. That was the beginning part of it. And you've been fascinated with gross anatomy and human pathology ever since. And did you, I don't remember in the book, if you tell the story about the limb refrigerator,

you tell that story in there? I might, I might touch on it a little bit because that was basically how I figured out that I was working at anywhere near that kind of stuff in the hospital. So when I worked in the cytotechnology lab, I just would sit there and look at slides all day and I wore clean clothes and I sat at a cubicle all day. And then one day, I tell this story because this was kind of the changing moment for me. I was sitting at my desk just looking at pap smears, you know, and all of a sudden I heard commotion in the hallway and then it was really smelled horrible, like, you know, a dead decomposing body kind of.

And I went out to see what the commotion was and they said that the leg refrigerator was broken and it was leaking. And I just was so surprised because I didn't know that there was a refrigerator that was holding amputated legs in it. That was really on the other side of the wall I had been sitting at for two years. And when I went over there and looked at it, there was just like all these legs just kind of tightly wrapped in biohazard bags. So you could see the outline of the leg just stacked up in this refrigerator. It was really just crazy to me to see that. And everybody's just kind of working back there. You know,

you know, it was like a clear fridge, like you would see in the pizza shop or something. And everybody's just working back there, acting normal. And I'm just like, but there's legs right here. Like, what are you talking about? You know? And, and then, you know, know i i made friends with the people that work back there and i would go day and just be like what are you guys doing and it would be like a colon like for example like a diverticulitis colon sitting there on somebody's like i have it looks like yeah like it just looks like a kitchen There's a cutting board and there's knives and there's blood. You know, it's just like cutting meat basically.

But I saw really crazy things like a giant ovary, like a huge ovary bigger than my head, you know. And I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. And then all of a sudden I didn't think the microscope was so cool anymore because I was looking at all this stuff. And how many autopsies do you think you do in a year on average? I would say like the hospital that I used to work at, we did anywhere from like 150 to 200 a year. And it just varies depending on where you're at. Because then after I had the kids,

I worked at a hospital that did far less, maybe like 30 a year. You know what I mean? So it just, it depends over, you know, I could, I could say that I've done hundreds over my life. I don't really know exactly a number cause I never really kept track. And I also, you know, did so many internships and observed autopsies, not necessarily cutting them.

So I've just been immersed in that world since i was like 19 years old so i'm sure it's got to be a thousand if you really added it up yeah i'm not i i really have no idea because then that we we did a lot on fetuses as well so that's i mean that was a bulk of it and And sometimes those numbers are counted in surgical pathology versus morgue numbers. But yeah, I've had my hands in a few bodies. Quite a few and learned a bit as a result. What do you mean when you say pathology is bigoted? It's a bigot. Well, a lot of times you try to hear people trying to talk about medicine and trying to say that it's broad-based and you don't want to kind of narrow it down to certain races or certain age groups or something like that because that's a really big thing right now. But in pathology, that's just the most important stuff that you, you need to know, you know, um, you need

to know how old people are. You need to know what race people are because certain things happen to different demographics of people. So, um, in the book, I just, I just touch on that how and give actual examples of how that type of information is important to us because certain sexes could only get certain kinds of diseases and it's just really important that we have as much information as possible to try to help come up with a diagnosis and all of medicine should be that way pathology yeah biology is just a fact it's just a thing it's just a phenomenon it is just a fact. It's just a thing. It's just a phenomenon. It's just a structure and a physiology and a biochemistry, and it just is. And I wouldn't say you're so basically trying when you can narrow things down. Okay. It's male, it's female. It's the, whatever sex it is, whatever age it is. Um, you know, I did my mystery diagnosis the other day or on Monday on, um, neuroblastoma, which is a tumor

that you would, you would most specifically see in, in children and young, you know what I mean? Like you need to just know how old the person is and all that information is important as much as they don't want to say it's important. It is important. We need to know all that stuff. Yeah. I mean, just the most, an outlying sort of description would be, you don't see prostate cancer in children. You don't see prostate cancer in women. Period. Ever. Ever. It's not even just playing the odds. That just doesn't happen.

And you don't see neuroblastomas in a 75 year old, at least not in a 55 year old, you don't see it certainly. So, all right. So yes, we agree completely. So, let's think, I'm looking at some of the other things. You're, yeah, you have a comment somewhere that humans are animals like any other animal, and we don't ask veterinarians to adjust their perception of the biology of animals any more than you should be adjusting your biology on humans, right? Yeah, exactly. That's one of the points that I bring up in the book is that we're just like every other animal. We are considered animals. But the difference is with us is that we can make choices to change, to go against our biology. So for some examples, I say,

we're based upon our teeth. We're created as omnivores, and that's what we are. So that means that we're supposed to eat meat means that we're supposed to eat meat and we're supposed to eat animals. But people could go against their biology and they could choose to be vegetarian or vegan or whatever. But that doesn't mean that that's not something that any other class of animal would do besides humans, right? But that doesn't change the fact that our teeth are designed to be omnivores. Right. And our, our bodies were designed to be omnivores. So we can make choices to go against things, even though, you know, if you want to be specific, like female body was, was, is designed to, you know, hold a baby, but people could choose not to have a baby if they don't want

to and things like that. Whereas other animals don't make those decisions like we do. They don't, the environment imposes things on them. They don't impose things on themselves. Yes. Yeah. So why don't you take some examples from the book and stump me? I've only read the first half of the book, so you can use the second half to freak everybody out and stump me. So let me, this one might be kind of easy. By the way, first of all, show people the book first, by the way. Show them what a work of art it is. There it is.

It's so cute. There it is, everybody. Get your book. It's so cute. You can get it. Get it from Amazon. Get it wherever you buy your book yeah it's so cute you can get it get it for amazon get wherever you buy books get it now so this let me see if i could cover it so you can't see what it's called okay can i do this much hold on a little glary it's glaring a little bit so lean it down a little bit so it's not so glary

can you lean it forward so it's still glaring because you're up against the light shoot describe it to me let me see just the sort of a gross description maybe I can figure out what that is the banner's in the way it looks

I tell you what it looks like hold it up in front of your face because your face is well lit so we might be able to see yeah i'm turning the brain i don't i don't really want to give you wait let me come let me cover this too put it by your face so i don't go away how's that yeah too close drew's over to the yeah there we go now you go there you go Wow. That's interesting. Can you. Nice nails, by the way. Can you. Thanks.

Kind of describe to me and tell me. I can't quite see. It's hard from this perspective. Can you describe to me where you took it out from? Take Drew's box off, Caleb, so it doesn't cut it off. It's all right. It's all right. We're good.

Well, it's from the GI tract, and it's a well-circumscribed. Is it a fecalith? Fecalith? It's from the GI tract, and it's a well-circumscribed. Is it a fecalith? Fecalith? It's close. So a fecalith, Susan, is essentially like a stool that's become rock. It actually gets so impacted that it becomes this rock-like thing that gets put up in there. I picked one of those out of the carpet today because a dog pooped underneath.

That's a fecal lift. The reason that was a fecal lift is that it's been there a week. It was really stuck, too. I was under the pool table doing that. That's good. Good times. Good to know.

Mom duty. So what other hints can you give me? Well, it's part of a psychological disorder. Oh. But you were close with your first guess. Is it... I can't be something yet. Is it opiate addiction?

Is it obstipation from opiate addiction or something no what do you got it's hard to see it so so you can tell me a little more tell me some more um or is it is it uh you know phagia of all kinds of odd things and somebody's eating a bunch of weird stuff and gotten obstructed from it? There you go. Yes. So it's a trichobesar, actually. So it's a hairball. Oh, it's a bezar. That's interesting. Yes.

So this is a 19-year-old. And some of you eating hair. Yeah, so this is something. I don't, I actually, no, I've seen this one time in surgical pathology. So basically if somebody has, um, you know, a compulsion to eat their own hair, the body doesn't really digest it and the, and it could just accumulate in the stomach and it forms the shape of the stomach. Actually, when it comes down to surgical pathology, it causes an obstruction and, uh, the patients, you the patients start vomiting because they have all of this hair stuck in their stomach basically and they have to surgically remove it. Yeah,

it's crazy. I picked up one of those yesterday too. That's a cat bezoar. I swear to God, I'm hitting a hit. But Nicole, in my world, when I've seen bezoars in the past, it's usually been from an esophageal stricture. And it's usually, bezoar just means a stock accumulated mass of something. And it's usually been accumulated food that doesn't pass through the esophageal stricture. Have you seen that as well? Oh, yeah. I've seen those. I've seen, yeah, like a phytobesor, it's called. It's just basically a ball of vegetables and stuff like that.

Yeah, those ones are more common. But yeah, and then I've gotten such crazy stuff that people, you know, patients with schizophrenia and stuff eat. I used to get this one guy, you know, he would just come, I never actually met the patient. Of course, I would just get the things that he would swallow. Then he, I don't even, he would swallow like shards of glass and tips of knives. Like he seriously cut the tips off of knives and screws, like really pointy things. And then we would get them and then they you know what they would take them out via endoscopy and then he would be back the next week and get them taken out again it was so crazy but yeah people swallow lots of weird stuff um i used to i i got a lot of weird foreign bodies like that like um i got a butter knife once a pen which i i think that's

a lot of it was from people you know trying to make themselves throw up and just, you know, losing their gag reflex from throwing up so much and sticking things way too far down and then like losing it, you know. I had a patient that used to roll, I had a client that used to, a patient used to roll up a belt, swallow it, and then pull the belt out as a way of inducing the vomit. Yeah. Yeah, that's so crazy. So Susan and I watched three hours of Vegas jail last night. We did. Three hours of Las Vegas jail. And the reason I bring it up is not that we're so nutty but that it was 100 psychopathology that walked through the jail door and i was telling her it's like no this is this is what i for 30 years i saw thousands of these people this is what they're just not put in the hospital anymore they're let allowed to deteriorate to the point that they end up in jail. And the bipolar, meth-addicted, alcoholic, et cetera, et cetera. And the behaviors are protean, let's just say.

Alcohol makes you crazy sometimes. Yeah. So that's the world America has decided they want to be. We don't help sick people. Yeah. One of the members of the gross room was a corrections officer and she she had some insane insight on working there and just the thing i mean she would just walk in and have a guy that just like cut himself open and was playing with his intestines and stuff just

crazy crazy stuff i know just it's crazy to see that you know to see that somebody would do that could just be sitting there with their bowels in their hands. It's just nuts. This is untreated major mental illness, serious mental illness. have been this notion that there's some sort of unusual fibrous or fibrin-related clots being seen in autopsies that is somehow new, different, related to vaccine therapy or spike proteins or something. I don't know. Have you seen anything like that? I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary that I've seen prior to this as far as that goes. I read an article about that that had to do with embalmers would say that they would see it. And I don't know if it has anything to do with their procedure.

But I personally haven't seen anything different as far as the regular, you know, autopsies go on people. I haven't done, I mean, it's not that I've done hundreds since COVID, but I've definitely had my hands in a couple and I haven't seen anything unusual. And in terms of the clots you normally see, what do you normally see? So I can at least help people understand that. We, we always see clots. I mean, it's just the difference is, is it a real clot or is it a post-mortem clot? Because the blood clots.

So when it's normally in the vessels, it's kind of like jelly looking. You can kind of pull it out. I probably have pictures if you want me to look for them. And then when you look for a real clot, you would look to see if you could say the lines of Zahn, remember that from pathology class. And like, you could see the fibrin and you could see that it adheres to the wall of the vessel. Like, so if you tug on a little bit, like a

post-mortem clot, if you just grab it, you can like pull it out of a vessel and it just like slides right out. But a true clot, like I'm talking about it most importantly like a pulmonary embolism that's like the most significant ones we look for um they're they're a little bit like adherent to the wall of the vessel so i mean it's i i don't know what they're talking about because people are looking for stuff sometimes that might not really you know know what I mean? Like, that's not anything unusual for me. Yeah. I was very skeptical when I saw what they were describing, because I was thinking, this does not look that unusual.

Now, by the same token, you know, maybe the person died of some sort of consumptive coagulopathy, but that's not weird clots. That's a consumptive coagulopathy. That's, you know, that's something you should be, that's a diagnosis you should be coming to, you know, as a result of the,

the path workup. Right. Yeah. And I mean, I don't, I think every, every dead body has clots in it. Like that's cause that's just what happens,

you know? And I've seen some weird ones over the years that to the point where like I would show the pathologist and they'd be like, I don't know, just take a section of it and let's look at it under the microscope. Cause it looked a little bit different than the other, like a classic post-mortem clot, but it also wasn't a PE clot either,

you know? So, um, I don't know. Like I, I don't, I can't say, cause I don't know what,

like, I want somebody to be like here, Nicole, like, look at this. Does this look different? You know, it's just saying it. I don't, I don't know what like i want somebody to be like here nicole like look at this does this look different you know yeah somebody's just saying it i don't i don't know you know yeah and and there are different right there are clots you can throw from a valve there are throats you

can there's atherombolic clots from a aortic wall there is you know venous clots that go to the the pulmonary system there's all kinds of things that can hurt people that are clotting. And you can get a diffuse consumptive coagulopathy, which is what I kind of worry about with COVID these days. But all those things are just, those are diagnoses. Those are not some magical weird clot that they find at post. So, okay.

Yeah, and I mean, post-mortem clot is in... Okay. Let's see. If I have a good case here. I have lots of good cases, but I'm trying to find one that you might not, that might be a little bit difficult for you since you normally get it so quick. Embarrass me. That's the name of the game here well okay and then when you do find the right picture holding it in front of your face seems to be

the thing and susan if i can get a water that would be amazing i plop down without doing any of that. All right, let's see if you know this one. So this is a funny story. One of my daughter's friends just texted her and was like, oh, I just got your mom's book, and I opened it to this picture of someone's butt crack. It is someone's butt crack. How fantastic.

Oh, nice. Okay, okay. Over to the, take it over to your left. I fantastic. Oh, nice. Okay. Okay. Over to the, take it over to your left. I mean, you're right. Sorry. Go to the right. A little more. A little more.

I'm kind of like backwards. I'm going to say that's a rectal fistula. There. Perfect. I'm going to say, I'm claiming rectal fistula or a gunshot wound. Let me see it. Too much anal sex. No, no.

Either a perianal abscess or a rectal fistula. Those are my guesses. No? Okay. Squamous cancer? You're close, though. It's a pilonidal cyst. Oh, I'm used to those being more midline yeah uh if anybody's interested that is what josh yeah josh potter had one and i i did i cleaned it i i did a a

irrigation and drainage on it on camera you can find it at your mom's house. And his was so deep, it went all the way up his spine. You should use his pathology report for your next book. They had to splay it open, and it was about 10 centimeters. Went almost to the bone. He just got short of osteoporosis. Just short of it. Yeah, Whiskers saying hair cyst. Pilonidal means nest of hair.

It's Latin for nest of hair. And it sort of starts as a hair, ingrown hair. Somebody called it deviated rectum. Deviated rectum. There you go. We got nothing but comedians here. All right, well, Nicole, we wanted to make sure to get you in here i know you've got to run we want to get you in here to promote the book and to get people to go get it hold it up again nicole and jemmy's anatomy

book grossroom.com is where you can get it uh there it is and uh it's it's a people i don't know about your tattoos oh they're asking about your tats? What do they want to know? What do they want to know? What do you want to know? Is that a neck tattoo? And I'm like, nope, it is. Yes, you're on your neck tat. That's what they want to know. One is, which one's this?

Two of my kids' names. One says Lillian and one says Lucia. Me and Gabe have matching, the same ones. My husband, for those of you that don't know. Those are new. Yeah, Gabe is a fire chief they live out in pennsylvania and uh he's a captain at the um he's captain and um camp camden fire department actually in new jersey on the other side of philadelphia and i'm trying to get nicole to do television for a long time and one of these days maybe i can persuade her to. And both she and I, before I let you go,

we have been just wondering, I think, you know, with COVID and all, Nicole and I commiserate with each other what seems to have happened with our peers. It seems like they divided into, you know, risk-averse and risk-tolerant camps, didn't it? It's like people, a lot of our peers showed up to just completely risk averse and as such made bad decisions because you have to have risk reward

thinking at all times not just risk avoidance yeah i mean for me that this whole thing's been really difficult because obviously like i've seen i I think if you ask an average person, how many dead people they've seen, it's not really that many. And, um, you know, I was working, not only did I do all those hospitals or those autopsies, you know, throughout my training and my career, but also I used to take care of all the death, the people that died in the hospital. So it was, you know, the one big university hospital in the hospital so it was you know the one big university hospital i worked at it was like 600 people a year dying so i i saw so many dead people every day so people dying isn't like huge to me like people die every day um and that's that's what that's life

you know so i don't and and do you think that's what it is that we've hidden death away even see even physicians don't get to see death unless you're, we're a hospice doctor or an internist that deals with death and dying. Yeah. And I just think that, I just think, I don't know where we ever came up with the concept that people shouldn't die. It's just, it's just really crazy to me. So, I mean, obviously if you can prevent, you know, people from dying as much

as possible, but you know, I've heard just crazy things like one death is too many and this and that. And it's just like, come on. And, and it's become this obsession with the death count on the news. You know, I don't know if that's happening as much anymore, but it was like every single day we were, I was getting like an email from my county saying how many people were diagnosed how many people died and it's just like if you did that for any other disease at any time it would be very significant striking as well like it's just so that kind of stuff just was like driving me nuts because it was it's always been a reality to me that that happens and um they went a little a lot of overboard yes yes and that's why i i keep this textbook on my on my

desk here to help people understand that people die of these things this is you know thousands of pages of things that if if you knew about and started worrying about, you would not be able to get through your day. You wouldn't be able to do it. And this is just infectious diseases of children only. And it's this kind of tome. That's probably just all you want. Shit happens.

They're right. These were the smallest ones I could find. Yeah. happens they're right it was these were the smallest ones i could find yeah and i totally um you know my book is like over what what is there 103 cases or something in my book and not one of them has to do with covid it's just like well one one guy was able to get you know he wasn't able to get treatment like when he you know maybe right away because of it. But yeah, I mean, it's just like, there's, there's hundreds of other things that people deal with every day and it's just kind of exhausting at this point to just talk. I mean, it's, it's almost 2023 and we're talking about COVID-19 still, you know, I tell my kids all the time, I'm like, it's called 19 because this is

how long we've been dealing with it um not to say that there's not some um you know obviously caution with it and everything like that but people are just completely have gone off their rockers and it's and i'm just trying to be like normal over here i mean think about me being normal is scary. The new normal. The new normal one. Yeah, it's interesting. Everyone else goes off their rocker. You start looking pretty sane there, honey.

So I do like always talk about being an upside down world and stuff. And it's like, yeah, it's upside down world when Nicole's the normal one. So we'll leave it at that. I know you have to go. Somebody on the restream just said, check out Dr. Malhotra. And he is interviewed today by Dr. John Campbell. I have a podcast with Dr. Malhotra

that I promise you is better than, this is not to be critical of Dr. Campbell, but the stuff that Malhotra and I get into, I think you'll learn a lot more. We talk for an hour. It's dropping on Thursday on the Dr. Drew podcast. That is Dr. Asim Malhotra, a cardiologist who has some very important observations about vaccine therapy and COVID and whatnot. So, Nicole, great job.

Good luck with the book. Nicole and Jimmy's Anatomy book. And hopefully we'll talk to you very soon. Awesome. Thank you. See you guys later. See you soon. And we'll come back and we will be taking your calls after the break.

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So don't forget, because they sat in a container all through Christmas last year. So I thought we'd give it a shot this time. I think it was just slightly late last year for everyone for their holidays. So now it's the great opportunity. Great. Thank you so much guys uh i am reading your retweets and your streams and your rumble rants uh let's see what you guys are just don't put it in your butt there's a lot of um oh my god there's a lot of uh talk just cracks me up nicole with all her things you know she's she's seen a lot of things like that oh yes oh yes she has uh a lot of talk about the so-called fibrous clots we nicole and i did talk about that and she says she's not seeing

anything out of the ordinary and because they're not giving us the cytopathology like really looking at it under a microscope is we have no idea what those things are you have no way of telling it's it's sort of a somewhat of a false flag i i don't think it's something we should be paying a lot of attention to. Now, the one thing that I think is a real possibility is that people are getting a low-level what's called consumptive coagulopathy, which is platelets aggregating throughout the body. We know that's what happened to me from the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. And maybe in certain situations, that's getting a little bit out of control. Maybe that's causing or associated with death somehow, though generally that doesn't cause death by itself. So be that as it may. Again, if you want to come up here and ask

questions, just raise your hand and I will see you. I know a few of you are listening there. We can talk about any topic you wish. It doesn't have to all be COVID. We're moving off of Nicole and Jemmy and gross anatomy and talking about the things we usually talk about. Malhotra, whom you will hear on Thursday, was very interesting. He said they are seeing more supraventricular arrhythmias. If you heard Kelly and I yesterday, we were talking about the incidence of atrial fibrillation, which is clearly and shown in good research to be on the increase. But it is not just atrial fibrillation. It's these rapid, you know, your heart has four chambers, two on top, two on the bottom, and your heartbeat generates from the top.

And if there's something irritating the top, it starts firing off uncontrollably and moving through the AV node into the ventricles. And you get these rapid regular rhythms that are like this for no good reason if you're just standing quietly. And those can become dangerous, and they sometimes have to be treated in essentially all cases. You have to take medication. And often, here's what he and I talked about,

we're often seeing that people need what's called ablation, which is they go in with a wire through the leg and feed it up to the heart, map out where the electrical discharge is coming from, and burn that area of the heart. And that is something really unusual in young people. I'm used to doing that kind of thing in older folk. But that has been up lately in young people. He confirmed that.

He confirmed a theory that, again, it's not been substantiated yet, but he is seeing evidence and apparently has some papers coming that show there seems to be some accelerated coronary disease. His own father died of it. I'm worried that Megyn Kelly's sister died of it. Her sister in her early 50s had a heart attack suddenly yesterday. So we're worrying that we're seeing some sort of accelerated coronary disease caused by something related to the spike protein. And of course, he also confirmed the myocarditis incidence, which we talked about. If you listen to Thursday's podcast, you can get it at drdrew.com. We talked about the fact that myocarditis before vaccine therapy was essentially always viral

myocarditis. I mean, there's other causes, but what we would see was viral. And it was a dire emergency, and it was highly likely to be associated with needing a cardiac transplant, complete destruction of the cardiac muscle. Now, we are not seeing that with the vaccine, but there's fear that we will see it down the road, or we will see some sort of intrinsic vascular pathology as well. So there's still lots of questions. And the thing that is, you know, every time I interview one of these really high quality physicians, he or she and I always end up in the same places. Why is there not more data being collected as fast as possible? Why is that not an urgent situation?

And you'll see Dr. Campbell, who has interviewed Dr. Malhotra today, and yesterday he was interviewing one of the MPs, and it's the same question. Why is there not better research? Why isn't it being pursued? What is going on here? And if you listen to some of the people that i've been talking to they would say that there's too cozy a relationship with big pharma and big pharma doesn't want to i don't know if that's true or not there is definitely i've come to understand too cozy

a relationship with big pharma that's for sure but exactly why they're not doing proper research that is just usual standard would be standard fare in a normal day in fact i saw something fascinating today i saw a headline that said because there was some new ivm data out that shows it doesn't work and i'm not surprised by that again kelly differs from me on this i just don't think it does very much and uh and it was oh there's dr. Mel Hutcher there with Dr. Campbell, John Campbell. And this headline read, conservative favored medication or something like that, or conservative touted medication. I was deeply insulted.

When is a medication political? Why does a medication have a left or a right anything to it? In what world is there a medicine that is left-leaning or right-leaning that you stay out of my profession, stay the hell out of my profession. That, that is ridiculous to imply that we're using medication because of some political perspective. That is disgusting. Oh my God. Uh, so anyway that that's the that shows you the press bias they were biased against doctors doing things that's for sure so let's bring up uh i'm not sure markham see if we can get the pronunciation correct um bring you guys and you're not muted at this point you seem to be ready to talk let's see what your question is. What's going on? Hey, Dr. Drew. Thanks for taking the call. I have enjoyed listening to you for the

years of my life, even in high school, and you and Adam were back on. But I wanted to say, you know, thank you for doing this. Thank you for putting a spotlight on this topic and asking logical questions. You know, there's not a lot of people like you out there that are just voicing what a lot of us are hoping more do. And I wanted to just say regarding, you know, if this is real and some of these concerns you have, what are the risks of it shedding or any sort of like transmitting if you choose to not be vaccinated, but you're around someone who was, say, boosted recently, you know, skin contact, saliva, anything you can give me on that topic? No, I don't understand. I've heard people ask this question. I don't

understand how a spike protein can be transmitted. It's not a virus. It's a protein. And you need the virus to get inside the cells and the protein just sits there. So I can't imagine. It's not like a live virus vaccine, like a whole virus that's been attenuated there are certain vaccines that have that quality and you don't want to be around immunocompromised people when you're shedding virus but the mrna there you go sorry yeah the mrna vaccines i i don't know it has to be shot unless i mean can't even imagine a situation where it gets in because that's why it has to be taken in the form of a hypodermic syringe you have to put it deep in the muscle for it to uh be transmitted so i guess i've heard some of the issues were like it you know getting

out of the muscle and into the blood and that's yes it does and yeah it does and so yeah i just i'm hearing a lot of this and it's a concern of some people i know it's i just want to bring it up just to say you know hey i don't know if it's a concern of some people I know. And so, yeah, I just wanted to bring it up just to say, you know, Hey, I don't know if it's real or not. I appreciate you, uh, your feedback on that. You would, you would, you could see how we'd have lots of transmission because there's lots of vaccinated people and there's no transmission of anything. Uh, and there are whole virus, uh, vaccines out there like Covaxin.

I would like to take Covaxin if I were to take a vaccine and that even that one, you don't shed virus, the mRNA again, the mRNA virus is highly lipophilic. It, it, it stays in the cells. It doesn't get out and there's no way to get out. It's I mean, if you took your blood and inject it into another person or transfused it, well then maybe, but there's no, no routine way that could be transmitted that I can, that i can that i

can see uh tim what's going on anybody else have questions just come up and raise your hand and somebody said did you see all that biden said today to get covid vaccine to protect others oh geez well it doesn't work like it doesn't work like that susan susan has been uh taking notes on all the things she has learned here since we started doing this no it's just i was just thinking on the way when where i went today i was like you know if we get on the if we get on our trip and they say you know are you vaccinated and why didn't you get the other booster i'm going to say because it doesn't protect other people. It's not even... And as you see, Dr. Walensky...

It doesn't help you. Why do you care? Dr. Walensky got it and then got COVID three weeks later. And so it doesn't prevent you from getting infected. It doesn't prevent you from infecting other people. It just doesn't. And so I believe in elderly people, it does prevent more serious complications.

I really do believe that. I think that fits my clinical experience. It fits the data. And the question isn't, does it help? The question is, is the risk reward worth it? That is the question. Is the risk you're taking worth the reward you get? And if you're 32 or 25, I'm not sure. Maybe not. Because there's almost no risk to the illness. There's some risk to the vaccine. Maybe that's not a diathesis you want to do. You have to talk to your doctor about that. Don't worry about grandma.

No, grandma's going to get it either way. And let's make sure she has Paxlovid on hand and that she's been properly boosted up. Yeah. But I mean, we've all been boosted, so we should not all die of it. You know, it's less of a chance. Well, there are immune-evading viruses coming our way,

and so there may not be any real significant use of the vaccine. But again, we do have therapeutics. And the really, well, the scarier thing is we don't... Mostly for older people, though. The Paxilvid, right? No, what scarier thing is we don't- Mostly for older people though, the Paxlovid, right? No, what I'm saying is if these immune evading viruses really take hold, we will be using Paxlovid

in younger people because it's also evading the currently available monoclonal antibodies. And that is kind of concerning because we like to have a few things on hand to help people. But the monoclonal antibodies will catch up with that. I guarantee you they will show up. Tim, maybe, I'm kind of just curious in looking further into how governments shifted their focus from originally, obviously, we're all concerned about, you know, what was going to happen.

We didn't know what this thing was. But the fear campaign that seemed to be just propagated and pushed and encouraged right how much were they fearful in the process because we talk about this idea of okay were they stupid incompetent were they money driven how much of it was fear driven for them just as much i think a lot of them i. I think a lot of them had bad judgment and were risk-aversive. And as we talked with Nicole and had never seen death and dying

and had never seen real medical illness and so didn't have a frame of reference to make a judgment on how serious or not it was. And yeah, I do believe there were people that were very scared and they were making their decisions not from objective data like you're supposed to. They're making it out of fear. Yeah, I do believe there were people that were very scared and they were making their decisions not from objective data like you're supposed to. They're making it out of fear.

Yeah, I think so. But it's lasted for so long, though. Like, it's still continuing. I know. What I don't understand, the really hard part for me is people that cling to the notion that lockdowns worked. I remember that masking worked. We had curfews. we had five kilometer or three mile you know yeah i know areas that we could travel like it was the level of crazy went off the charts

yeah we were yeah um and in the virus the virus respiratory viruses can't be controlled that way we know that and so they they only made the attempt because they were convinced by, as far as I can tell, their Chinese companions, their Chinese colleagues, who were totally and still are completely convinced that that's an effective way. And what I'm hearing on the DL out of China is that the distribution of the virus is far more vast than anyone's willing to admit. It's just doing what it does. The virus does what it does. You can maybe kind of slow it a little bit. And so at the beginning, I was sympathetic. I was like, okay, we got to do something

and you want to slow it down. And okay, we'll get to a vaccine and okay. And then it just kept going and going and going. And it was so clear that there was not good evidence there was no evidence for it and that people were making things up out of whole cloth and no nothing like this had ever been contemplated in human history and that it would have dire harms and i mean the harms were so obvious from the beginning and i like nicole said one death is too many was a weird philosophy that some of these people developed and was just unrealistic. It's a pandemic. The pandemic is defined by excess death. So there

are going to be deaths. And we just want to try to mitigate, reduce, do everything we can that we know works, which is protecting risk populations, quarantining sick people, do the things that don't cause excess harm and excess death on the other side. But I've talked to people that were inside various White Houses, and the hubris, the fury with which this was being pursued and could not be assailed to stop, to think about, to consider other options, and the destruction that was aimed at anyone who dared to raise their hand and ask for something different, that's the craziness part of this. That's where the really, whoo, that's where it was. You would have been fired immediately. Yeah, I would have been fired at the White would have been fired in the white house that's true what's that that's not science not being able to question things no and the crazy

might still we're having trouble with it that's why i take it on this pot this stream and to try to just put interesting people in who have been silenced because i want to hear what everybody's got to say i want to well we got silenced by youtube a few hundred times, so we know how it feels. It sucks. I also query in regards to kind of a bit of a follow-on from last week where there was a lot of talk about just feeling so depressed and dissociated and down and all that sort of stuff. My father, who's a psychologist or was, several years back talked to me about how there's, in all relationships, there's often this kind of concept of a parent-child component to it. Yeah.

And I dare say that there's the same thing that's gone on with governments and the citizens in regards to the relationships being damaged. You know, whether it's a partner that's cheated on you or a parent that's abused you or whatever, that there's a relationship there of somebody who controls you, you look for to support you and care for you, but they've not really, you know, for a lot of people, they feel like they've been damaged in that relationship. Right. And what you're talking about is trust. And I'm hearing that constantly from young people is that they don't know who to trust now.

And they don't know what's the use, what's the purpose, why bother. Because the things that are meaning making don't seem so meaningful right now. And that's where this weird feeling of anhedonia and helplessness is sort of coming from. And I'm very, very, very concerned about it. So thank you, Tim. I appreciate the comments. I don't remember if I mentioned on this show,

but Susan and I were watching a documentary about Gilda Radner from about three or four years ago. And they panned onto this audience in a theater. I actually saw Gilda Radner's about three or four years ago and they panned on to this audience in a theater i actually saw gilda radner's one woman show in 1978 and i remember it and i remember being there and they panned this audience and i normally have tremendous disdain i hate the 1970s i feel like it was the most depressing awful every there was crime and there was racism and there was horrible car design and horrible architecture. And we destroyed great things like Penn Station. They're just stupid, horrible decade.

But they panned across the audience. And what did I say, Susan? What was my reaction looking at that? Oh, my God, that's me. No, no, no. Other than that, what was I saying about the people I saw there? And I had a reaction. I had a really emotional reaction. It really bothered me.

Remember what I said? No. I was looking closely to see if I could see you in the crowd. What I said was, you'll remember this, I said, look, they seem they're vital. They're dressed like shit and the hair looks like shit but they're into it. And they're going to go

to Studio 54 tonight. And they're on dates and they're out and they're seeing Gilda Radnererad no you said that when the studio 54 scene came on yeah i said the vitality well that's when it came out of my mouth you're right the vitality does not exist they've taken our vitality and made people flat and that is a dangerous place for humanity to sit i'm really bothered by it. And particularly young people are deeply affected by this. I don't know what else to call it, but anhedonia. So bring Catherine up here. I'm really, really bothered by this. It's not fair to do that to an entire generation. It's sort of disgusting to me that we've done that. So Catherine,

what's going on there? Unmute your speaker, your microphone. Okay. There you are. What's up? Hi, Doc. Thanks for taking my question. I'm so confused. If the spike protein from the virus is so toxic to the elderly, and we know that the vaccine instructs your cells to make spike protein, why are repeated doses at such short intervals not

being more problematic? That is a great example of how medicine doesn't always follow intuition or logic. That's why we have to test everything. It is just simply the case that the complications from the vaccine seem to be significantly less in older people. And at very least, if there are any, the risk of the illness is so much more significantly powerful in those populations that these side effects

that we are seeing are well worth the risk. And I think it has a function of not just the spike protein being somehow directly toxic. It's the spike protein activation of the immune system. And as you age, your immune system is less robust. It's less active. And I've been sort of thinking to myself that something like that is what's going on here. So the myocarditis is maybe a secondary phenomenon, not the spike protein itself, but the immune activation caused by the spike protein. Does that make sense?

It does. I just, I'm still so confused. I don't know if you listened to Ryan Cole, the pathologist's latest interview, who was saying it's the vaccine that suppresses your immune system. I mean, there's so many theories out now. Stephanie Seneff, I found her very compelling, by the way. Yeah. So I, too, I'm concerned that there's something like that going on.

First of all, we have to establish that there really is excess death. So far, the excess deaths are all built on models, and you know how shitty models can be. So we have to establish there is excess death. So far, the excess deaths are all built on models, and you know how shitty models can be. So we have to establish there are excess death, then we have to establish exactly what are the illnesses that are causing that, and then I worry, I worry about two things.

I worry about what you're worrying about. I worry that there is some immune alteration and that we're seeing cancers, but that should be more in the older population, like you say, that should be as you get older, that's where the genetic errors associated with cancer are more likely to occur. And so why aren't we seeing that? And could it be accelerated heart disease? Well, yeah, Megyn Kelly's sister died yesterday. I'm really worried that that's going to be a significant

problem. But the biggest mystery of all, Catherine, is why we're not rushing to look at this, why this isn't a national priority. Forget, you know, Jake Tapper wants us to talk about the consequences of school closure, which is obvious. It was obvious from the beginning. There's no conversation needs to be had, but this is something that really needs to be answered as soon as possible. Yeah. And just real quick, found edward dowd's research now on the insurance actuaries very interesting to listen to did you hear is that the interview i did with him you're talking about i'm sorry did you see the interview i did with him no oh you have an interview with him yeah we had almost a million views a million views oh really yeah

yeah he really got the ball rolling yeah just look around at drdrew.com you'll okay is it you have an interview with him? Yeah. We had almost a million views. A million views. Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. He really got the ball rolling. Yeah. Just look around at drdrew.com. You'll is it? Yeah. You can find a YouTube. Put it up here so she can see it.

I'm finding it right now. If you actually had a really good conversation. If they just, if she just goes to youtube.com slash drdrew, it's the featured video right now. She can go and see it. And you can just also see these at drdrew.com. Does that go to YouTube, Caleb, when you click on it? I have links on there. It'll show you. Yeah. So again, look, but look at everything. There's a

lot of noise, Catherine, a lot of noise. I don't know what to do with all this yet. I'm not, I'm, all I've been able to do through talking to everybody is piece together the craziness that was happening and the concerted effort to silence anybody who raised their hand and had a question, which was to me really the evil part of all this. That's the craziness of this. What exactly we're doing, what exactly has happened. I have clarity over 75. I have some understanding over age 65. I understand using Paxivit over age 65. When you get in the younger populations, I know what to do with monoclonal antibodies. I know what to do with steroids. I know that there are certain things we can maybe get some benefit from, but the Omicron

hasn't really needed very much, really, although I've seen some nasty Omicron. So I'm not quite sure what we're doing. It has yet to be sorted out. Well, what are we doing with younger people? And then what is the burden? Is there any burden of indiscriminate vaccine therapy above age 12? And I will say it again here, I've said a million times, which is vaccine therapies are usually targeted. They are Shingles vaccine for people over the age of 60.

It's pneumonia vaccine for people over the age of 60. I don't give those to 12-year-olds. It's yellow fever vaccine for people traveling to endemic areas. I don't give it to my kids who are sitting in Pasadena. It doesn't make any sense to me that this is the one and only vaccine that is completely indiscriminately distributed, even though the primary illness is in the adult. Here's the endowed interview. There you can see him right now with Dr. Kelly Victory. Also, he's the, obviously the gentleman, other gentleman on the screen here with us. Interesting guy, smart guy. He's not a medical professional, but he has a lot of data. A lot of data.

He's a data guy. And I don't know. It's interesting. You see what he has to say. You see what you think of it. I don't yet. Okay, Catherine. Thanks.

Appreciate it. Let's keep going here. There's lots of questions flying around here. Here we go. Trying to get Betsy up here. up here okay betsy what's going on hi hey there um okay so my question is like kind of health related but not really um so i like need to get eight to nine hours of sleep a night. And if I don't, I basically just won't get out of bed.

Like I work from home, so it's kind of okay if I do that. Um, which is probably contributing to the problem. But like I got five hours of sleep last night and I know that a normal adult is able to like get up and do the day, but I literally just stayed in bed all day and just like couldn't do anything. And why five

hours what happened um i was up printing last night i'm like a photographer sometimes i'm up late but not often maybe like once a month and why you just couldn't sleep past daylight or something or oh i had to call at nine o'clock okay got it okay so so it's not like your mood's off and you're having early awakening can't go go back to sleep, that kind of thing. Physically shut down if I don't get a certain amount of sleep. Is that normal or am I a normal person or am I strange? Well, it depends what you need by normal. I mean, that's the kind of word that I try to avoid as much as I can.

But let's just ask some questions. Have you had this your whole life? Yes. Do you know if you're getting effective sleep? In other words, do we know, are you dreaming normally? Are you thrashing about? Do you wake up and the bed is completely torn apart? Do you sleep walks or anything about your sleep? Yeah. No, I sleep like a rock. Like nothing, nothing can convince me to not sleep. And you have deep sleep. It is comical. And so, and how about

dreaming? Do you have dreaming? Yeah. I have like really like vivid dreams that are not like scary or anything. Okay. And you're not getting up and walking or anything of that sort? No. Couldn't convince me to do that. Do you have any, do you have any medical problems? No, none. Medication? None. I, I, you, you could get a sleep evaluation just to make sure your sleep cycling is normal but i don't know what you would do about it even if you're having excess deep sleep because this seems to be just you you've always been this way and so to that you may not be normal in the sense of the bell curve distribution of sleep experiences, but it sounds normal for you.

So I'm just being a brat, is what you're saying? No, no, that's not what I'm saying. That is categorically not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you may be, look, there are people that only need four hours of sleep a night. And even though the medical system announces everybody needs eight hours of sleep tonight to clear out those neurofibrillary tangles and you're going to get dementia if you don't get adequate sleep. There are people that sleep four hours a night their entire life, and they're fine, and they live long lives without

dementia. You're the other end of that spectrum. It's a spectrum, right? It's a bell curve. Most people are in that seven, eight-hour zone. You're in the nine, 10-hour zone. Other people are in a four-hour zone, and that's okay's just it's inconvenient but it's you yeah it definitely is inconvenient do you exercise? yeah like a normal amount I'm not like I don't go to the gym but I like walk every day I mean that's the only thing you could get one of these watch devices that monitor your sleep you can sort of see what your sleep hygiene is like you could get one of these watch, one of these devices that monitor your sleep. You can sort of see what your sleep hygiene is like.

You could exercise more or change the qualities of exercise might help you a little bit, but this is really just around the margin. It's just around the margin. You're still going to be an eight or nine hour night sleeper. So, so what? So what?

So fine. So good. Right? This is just how God made me. It's how God made you. That's right. You're a perfect entity and god made you that way okay all right all right bye-bye i i susan you're a little bit you're kind of no you're not so much

these days though what you used to be more that way like what an eight hour sleeper yeah but i i think i had menopause for a really long time i wouldn't sleep and i just felt like dog do the next day right right right because when you sweat all night and then you don't, you wake up 15 times and then you have to wake up and drive kids to school and go to the ice rink and go, you know, be a mom. It's a lot of work. Felt like dog do. Winston, what's going on there? Hey, what's happening, Dr. Drew? Hey, man. Just wanted to ask a question about the conversation you were having earlier about the

clots. Yes. And, you know, and the whole thing kind of got me wondering, you know, we talk about how much kind of flack is out there right now, and it's been really kind of curious to me to see what they allow through and what is instantly censored

and shut down. Yes. For disinformation. It is weird, isn't it? Yeah, it's kind of like the Hitchens razor. What can be proposed without evidence can be dismantled without it. But when I see the treatments that seem to be showing some real promise, getting absolutely shut down, the I-word and so on and so forth, versus a lot of these kind of wild claims that are flying around. And I just wanted to get,

I don't know, strap on your tinfoil for me. And what would be your guess as to why they're allowing some of the wild claims versus not? Caleb, you've talked to them. Do you want to address this? You're talking about,

are you talking about YouTube specifically? Censorship. Yeah. Well, we have rumble now, so I want to just give a shout out to them. Let's see what Winston's talking about. Is it the YouTube specifically? Censorship. Yeah, well, we have Rumble now, so I want to just give a shout out to them. Let's see what Winston's talking about. Is it YouTube

censorship? Well, it's kind of censorship as a whole. I look at how Twitter, YouTube, the big kind of tech oligarchy. Each is different. But they were all uniform on... They are all uniform on IVM and HCQ. They're all uniform on that.

And Caleb has some insight into that. So go ahead. Honestly, I think that some platforms, they allow the super extreme crazy stuff so that they can point to those things and say, hey, this is what we're trying to get off of our platform. But then they get to sweep in 50 other degrees of things in whenever they get rid of those.

It's like when you label someone a conspiracy theorist, it's the same thing. It's like, well, if you just toss out the word conspiracy theorist on someone, well, then a good portion of people will be like, oh, okay, you should just ban them. They're just conspiracy theorists without ever looking into it.

So I think it's a tactic there. I also think that some of the changes recently are because more evidence is coming out about this stuff and it's hard for them to deny it. And they might be afraid that they're going to start getting sued for it. Like what was happening, I believe in New York, where just today there was news about, I think it was a bunch of firefighters that had to one, at least a part of their lawsuit to get their jobs back because they didn't want to get vaccinated. And it was their choice. And their back pay. Exactly.'t want to get vaccinated and it was their choice.

And back pay. Back pay, exactly. That's going to start happening. Yeah, it is happening. Pam Popper's doing that. Everybody should. We talked to Pam Popper yesterday who's doing a lot of these same kinds of cases.

It isn't anti-vaccine. It's just pro-choice. It's anti-mandate. That's all it is. Let people choose. 100%. It's like the Alex Jones syndrome. You kind of let him go and then you ban him because any rational person would be like, well, yeah, I mean, the Sandy Hook thing, absolutely ban him. I'm okay with that one.

And then that kind of opens the door for what we did once. The precedent's been set. And I kind of get that that vibe with um i don't know using them as an example of why we're trying to censor things you know the the nanobots and the blood pots and all that type of thing yeah yeah it's just so extreme and so far out there yeah i i worry i worry about all extremes right now i i really do have you seen that johns hopkins paper that was sort of a war game on a pandemic?

Like as far as pandemic? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Have you read that thing? Line for line. And do you know, here's what's really fun.

You get that and then just do a keyword search on it, you know, and type in vaccine injury and X, Y, and Z. And, and then you look at the timelines that they have on it and here's the well this is gonna flip you gotta hear this part yeah in the pandemic exercise

the sitting president steps down halfway through their term due to cognitive difficulties you can't make this stuff up like it's seriously ruined fiction for me oh my god so what what tell people what that is and what what what the the arc was because it's almost exactly what had happened it is happening i couldn't believe it when i read it i was like it's it's truly striking so and again i'll qualify this any you know the event 201 have you heard of that one no okay well that one's even more, this one will be even more exciting, but they,

they do these war games, these German war games. And these are put on by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, John Hopkins, as you would expect global health to do. Right. And they kind of game plan. What would happen?

Well, in this one, um, in event two Oh one specifically. Now this one was done October before COVID broke. So October 2019. Correct. Yeah.

And this one, they've got a video up, a website. You can watch it, and it's how global business can work together and facilitate things. And this one was, wouldn't you know it, a new novel coronavirus that breaks out across the world. And I mean, it's just been line for line. And with the Spars pandemic, it's been even kind of creepier. But in that one, they go into real good detail about how they can stop misinformation, how they can, because in the pandemic, they get a vaccine and, oh, well, you know, the black community is not uptake with vaccine is bad because people are talking about Tuskegee.

So we can reach out to hip hop people and have them push vaccines in their community. And then there's even a, I think the character's name in the story was Epi Girl, who was like an online blogger and was compiling reports of vaccine injuries and how they were trying to censor her. It's wild. Well, when when i read it it was so close to what was actually happening it it forget the fact that it was weirdly clairvoyant it seemed to be their playbook like it's all there 100 yeah they're that's what they're doing is all the things that they say they should do in that playbook and it includes censoring people and they go so far though as to say that there will be a huge backlash and a great consequence from

all of it did you feel that part yeah well the backlash happens too and they they break the vaccine injury court in this and they they end up doing authorizations they talk about EUA, but they do authorizations for more payments. And what is it? Some cognitive something. I've drawn a blank on the term that starts to happen, like mad cow disease, basically, whatever that would be. Yeah. The vaccine was causing that in children. Yes. And that was the big backlash.

And I mean, honestly like when i see anything like that i'm like well first thing i think of course they would want a war game this yeah because that's kind of what they do yeah and then as things start lining up i find it harder and harder to kind of steel man their point like well maybe they just knew it would be a coronavirus. Maybe they knew this because it's so uncanny. But I think rather than reasoning from the place of the story they set for themselves, think more in terms of their response and how much that their response in this story is exactly what they said it was going to be and that to me is the part that's the smoking gun and the state doesn't really know anything other than that kind of response they don't really know compassion they know control

i kind of firmly i'm cynical as it may be yeah well and when you know one of your earlier callers was talking about the lockdowns is sydney and china and how it's still going on like it's not about the virus and like as much as i hate to say it i don't think it ever was it seems to be about control i i can't accept that you may be right i'm prepared to say you're right but i can't accept that uh i it's a very minimum though people that don't mind exerting control of other people and seem to kind of like it and there are people that don't like doing that i've noticed that taking advantage of a disaster did you see that what's that you never

let a crisis go to waste yeah what's that caleb it's it's like take it there it's almost i i don't believe fully and look it doesn't matter to me if it was a lab leak or if it was something that happened in nature. The fact of the matter is that a lot of people rushed in to get agendas pushed through that they've been looking for a way to get this pushed. Like they've been, and that's like, this is our

chance. They're like, this is our chance to get people locked down. This is our chance to get people wearing masks. This is our chance to like get equality i think it is more you know caleb i think it is more that they practiced it they prepare for and thanks winston i put you back in the audience i got to keep going from i like that guy oh yeah of course yeah but i think it's more that they they practice it they prepared for it and their moment came and they went hey exactly we've been we've been modeling this and this is how it's

going to go. And you've got to listen to us because we've war-gamed this a number of different ways. Think about it differently. I'm imagining military strategists change direction when things aren't working. That's what I'm imagining. And these people couldn't do that. And that's why

they failed so miserably. And that's their level of incompetence. So anyway, I've sad enough uh whatever happened with that whole chinese thing that you saw on the news the other day i didn't see anything advertised which what thing i didn't see anything in the news what thing are you talking about you said they found some um they found some people that it came out in the news and you said something happened where they found some Chinese people that were doing no good. Oh yeah, Merrick Garland.

You just look up Merrick Garland, DOJ, espionage. I mean, I haven't really been looking. It was such a big deal and yet I didn't make big headlines. I was surprised. Yeah, I don't see it. I didn't see it anywhere. You can watch the whole press conference. It'll blow your mind. Charlie, you're up. Unmute your speaker. But that just shows you that

the media is being run by something that's protecting us against that. They don't want us to know. I don't know. But Charlie, what's up? Hi, Dr. Drew and panel. I appreciate you giving me an opportunity to speak. What's going on? You touched on something earlier. I've been listening to you here on these spaces for a few weeks, but you touched on something tonight, which I'm actually dealing with, something that you said you've seen. After my second vaccine, this was early 21, I went into what they were calling at the time SVT. Yep. My heart rate was 240.

Yep. I had to have two injections of adenosine to get my heart rate down. Since then, after that, I had to have an ablation, as you spoke on. However, I'm still having bouts of intermittent AV nodal tachycardia, which was the ultimate diagnosis for my electro-physiologist. Okay, so probably high AV node.

So high AV node is hard to ablate. It's very hard to ablate. Yeah, they had to take a little time. He said that he had to take a little, and I'm a layman. I mean, my wife's an RN, but I have no medical knowledge. But he did say it took a little time to kind of isolate it and pinpoint it, but he felt that it was successful. Good. say it took a little time to kind of isolate it and pinpoint it but he felt that it was successful good um i haven't had anything quite up to that level of 240 since then okay however i've had a couple of times where it's hit like 150 160 without me doing anything physical okay um i am

taking metoprolol sushinate twice a day very small dose dose. Metoprolol? Yes. People tend to not like that medicine, so watch for side effects. Okay, I haven't had any. I've been taking it for months. And again, it is a small dose, just like 25 total per day. But I haven't seemed to have any problem other than I'm just having a hard time sleeping. But I think that that's maybe anxiety around what all's been going on. So I'm sure they also told you that given what you're describing, it's not particularly dangerous.

In other words, you don't want to ignore it, but it's highly manageable and not likely to break down into more serious stuff. When you were at 240, that's no bueno. That is no bueno. That is no bueno. That is a whole different story. But anything, 130 to 160, you're sort of in a more safe zone. Uncomfortable and maybe a real pain in the ass in terms of exercising and that kind of thing. But when you're on the beta blocker, you should be in control of that.

Did they try Cartizem with you at all? They haven't. And that's really part of my ultimate question. Number one, it's been very hard to get anyone, even my primary care doctor, to sort of acknowledge that it could be related to the vaccine. Nobody will. Yeah, the kicker here is that I had a full heart workup

because I have a left bundle branch block. I actually had gone for a colonoscopy, and they found that on the monitor, so they sent me for a full workup just to check. And I got, seriously, I'm in my mid-40s, but I got a super clean bill of health for my cardiac workup. I mean, they were very pleased with it, and then this happens less than a year later well they haven't really i i can't get them to tell me that where i'm at is okay you know you mentioned that just now about it's it's okay it's not it's okay but it's better it's okay but i wouldn't be happy with this i'd want better well and i'm not and what i'm running into doctor is that you know i'll just be safe sitting up watching a show with my wife or i'll be driving and my heart rate's like 105, 110 and I'm not doing anything.

Yeah, yeah. I don't feel like the metoprolol is doing anything negative from a side effect standpoint. Did they, oh man, did they talk about any definitive treatments? They have not. And I have a, I just had an echocardiogram because I've gone back to them and been like, hey.

Unfortunately, definitive care. Oy vey. So, you should be able to find a medicine that works. That's the bottom line.

And I would keep going until I find something that works for me and makes me happy and is not bothering me with symptomatology. When they stressed your heart, when they looked at your heart

when they were doing the evaluation, they were looking for intrinsic disease of the vessels. And your heart vessels were normal, but the muscle got something from the vaccine, we think. Please listen to Dr. Mulhatra. I interview him. It drops on Thursday. If you watch the Dr. Drew podcast, listen to that on Thursday. He and I talk in detail about this phenomenon. I would ask your cardiologist, hey, are you seeing more young males with this problem? Are you seeing more than you used to see? Just ask him.

Don't say, is it the vaccine? Just go, hey, have you noticed you're seeing a little more young males with this thing? Yeah, I've been there. They're good men, but they just don't want to touch it. Wow. Wow. Isn't that crazy? don't want to touch it. Wow. Wow. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

So crazy. Jesus. What I can't get them to tell me is that, and I have, you know, my wife again, she's a very experienced artian and she said, Hey, your heart rate's dynamic. And while like you just said, you know, the hundreds and the nineties may not be ideal. It's not necessarily dangerous. Correct. Correct, correct. And you can always take an extra metoprolol too, you know, and see if it, you know, again, as long as you're not having side effects, who cares, right?

Oh, there it is. Is it up now? Yes, it looks like it actually went up today, so they can find it at drdrew.com. Oh, you can listen to it right now. Well, there it is. Okay, and it was Dr. Malhotra. Yeah, if you look at the screen at all he's

putting maybe you can put a link to it caleb on the on the yes show stuff they actually if they just go to drdrew.com slash 10 25 2022 it's one zero this interview will blow your it will blow your mind this was one of the more substantial interviews that that i've done i may bring him over here to talk to kelly too go ahead well i just want to say i know you've got other people that you want that you need to talk to but i just want to say you have been the first medical professional that i've had acknowledged that this is regardless of the cause that this is a thing maybe and seems to be maybe yeah i mean it was already a thing it existed Obviously I knew a bit about it, but, but I'm used to seeing it in older people and suddenly seeing it a ton in 30

year olds, little, little weird. And always, and it's a lot, it's a lot of the same damn thing to Charlie. It's a lot of, you know, it happens to several friends of mine and I just go, they go, Oh, I've got a super matric attack card. I go, Oh, did you learn to bear down? Did you lose the diver's reflex? Yes. Did you do the carotid sinus massage? And then they'll always tell me the same thing.

Because I assume they're talking about a heart rate of 150 to 170. And they go, no, it was 240. They were all 240, much like you. And that's where I go, holy shit, that's weird. That is unusual. And that's dangerous. The SVT normally is not really very dangerous in young people with normal heart muscles. So that's where it caught my attention.

So here we are, right? So something's up. Something's going on. It just seems like it. I don't know. Well, I mean, is there a question that I should be – I do see my electrocardiologist on Thursday. Is there something I should be asking them? They did another echo, which I'm sure is going to show normal. Yeah. But is there something that I should be asking them? They did another echo, which I'm sure is going to show normal, but is there something that I should be asking them for? Is there something

that I should ask them to maybe pursue? Well, that you, you really want to be more comfortable. You want to be able to exercise normally. Right. And what's that going to take? You know, what are we going to have to do here? As you look, as you look, what's your, what is your treatment plan for me? What is your stepwise approach to my treatment to get me to where I can exercise normally and feel normal? I don't feel normal now. Okay. And you can even ask things like what are definitive interventions and you're going to hear weird shit like, you know, ablating your AV node and putting you on a pacemaker and things like that. But that's way off. I would not go for that stuff. Obviously, I want to do the most minimal thing.

But you touched on it. I mean, this has affected, like, the way I look at exercise and doing the things I used to do. It's not good. It's simply because I don't feel like I'm in control of it. And it's, you know. It's not good. It's not good. And you shouldn't have to live with that.

There should be a way to get things. And, again, the other thing is I've also noticed that it hasn't been going, the ablations haven't been definitive. A lot of people have been struggling with symptoms after the ablation. So here we are with you too. So, okay. All right. I'll definitely listen to that. I appreciate the time and we'll keep listening to you going forward. I appreciate you taking this on. You bet. Let's see how it goes. It's very frustrating. Ooh, we, uh, let's get Joe up you're taking this on. You bet. Let us know how it goes. It's very frustrating. Let's get Joe up here.

That is rough, man. I'll tell you what. Joe, you unmute yourself and we'll see what's going on. I was wanting to ask about the use of NAC to reverse the damage of the spike protein. Both the spike protein from the vaccine and the virus. Okay. I'm an, I'm an anastylocysteine, you're talking about an anastylocysteine, right? Yes.

I'm a fan. I use it. I take it every day. I just don't know, you know, if it has pharmacological effect, if you can really use it for disease states. I don't, I don't know. I don't know, Joe, what are you, what are you hearing? Well, I, I was looking online and I saw something on FDA website from August 1st of this year.

It says FDA releases final guidance on enforcement discretion for certain NAC products, which it sounds like they're trying to tell people, you know, you can't take this. But it's, I guess, certain NAC products. But does NAC have any, like if I have, if I'm on other medications, is that something I should be concerned about if I want to take it? Yes, always. Talk to your doctor. It's always the case that, change that nine volt battery on your smoke detector there. It's always the case that supplements need to be carefully discussed with your physician. Always. Don't just take stuff

willy-nilly. I have seen catastrophes from people taking herbs and taking things without understanding that they're making Or maybe your pharmacist too. Pharmacist, doctor, pharmacist is a good person to talk to. You're laughing at the nine-volt battery? Yeah, I can hear it too. Sounds like a bird tweeting.

This is tell me no lies. Did you know that's what it was before I brought your attention? Yes, I heard. Good, so you've come around to all this stuff. Yeah, it drives me crazy too. Hi there, what's going on? Hey, Drew. You'll probably recognize my voice.

The reason I didn't put my real name is because I'm trying to get a job and I don't want them to be searching me out. Anyway, I'm having terrible withdrawal from cymbalta oh yeah i have i have almost every single significant symptom i was titrated down how did you go down i went from my doctor supervised uh my doctor we i think i started i'm started with either 60 60 then i went down to 40 then i went down to 20. how fast over a long time over a few months a few months yeah a couple yeah three months four months okay and the last was 10 milligrams every other day for a week and then stop. That was pushing, I believe.

I still have symptoms as I'm talking to you. The brain zaps are the worst. The nausea comes in second. And now I get these chills. They're like shit i don't know how to say it they're like shivers that are that make you make your whole body vibrate yeah but you're not cold right right right and then and then the excessive sweating oh my god yeah um so it's been it's been definitely more than a week it could be two weeks i could be going into my third i've kind of lost track of time because in the beginning i thought god i really feel like crap but could i have covet again uh and i did it you tested and

it's not yeah and i tested of, because I get enough pressure from everybody. Well, just do a test. Okay, I did a test. It was negative. Well, do another test. You could not show up for two to four days. And I'm thinking, you know what? You vaxxed people may not show up for two to four days, but I feel so crappy that if I have it, I have it.

Of course, it was negative again. And then I remembered, there were times I was lazy and I would not take my medicine, like maybe on a Saturday morning. I'd sleep late, screw around at the home, at the house, and really end up not taking my medication okay fine by sunday morning the brain zaps were already starting of course so i identified that when i went oh god it's from the cymbalta of course what is cymbalta cymbalta is an anti-depressant anti-anxiety it's an s-n-r-i so to speak it's a dual agent yeah it's like a Fexor. And these medicines have a withdrawal syndrome. I had an Fexor patient. Fexor is even given in higher doses than Cymbalta. And I got her all the way down to 8.7 milligrams a day,

and we could never go below that, which is not even a homeopathic dose. But she elected just to stay on that. Well, we were trying to move me from Cymbalta to Wellbutrin because I have like no libido and I hate it. Right. And he hates it too, by the way. Right.

So, you know, what do you do? Because now I feel like crap and you're totally a drug addict. Like the only way to make you feel better is to take another dose. You know, I have some 10s or 20s in the cabinet and it's everything I can do to resist it. Like don't screw yourself up. You're already on the road. You've come this far. Just try to suck yourself up. You're already on the road. You've come this far. Just try to suck it up. So, Drew, when she was talking about the sweats and all that stuff,

I was thinking, do these SSRIs also affect your hormones at all? I remember the Welbutrin was supposed to help you have a better libido, but when she says she has no libido, maybe her hormones. This is all symbol to withdrawal. It really is. You don't need to add another you know one of the things in medicine is called occam's razor remember i taught you that one thing explains things is if it explains things adequately it's the one thing you have to add more things and when i and when i said oh my god i've got it i know exactly why i'm sick. And then of course people are going,

my mom of course goes, no, that's not it. You're wrong. Take another test. I said, there is, I am not taking another test. I am a hundred percent spot on this. I am feeling everything. I went to my school's 45th anniversary celebration on Sunday. It's outside in the city. I'm in short sleeves and jeans. And when I got home, I looked like I had gone through the sprinklers. I was drenched. And I couldn't wait to just peel the clothes off

and lay them out to dry like I was in Mexico. I just don't, I haven't had that again since Sunday. And I thought, Oh, maybe I'm turning the corner. But as I sit here right now, my eyes are vibrating. My brain is vibrating. My body is vibrating. Oh my God. It's horrible. It's miserable. It's horrible. I know, it's miserable. So what can I do? Anything? Do I really just have to suck it up? I'm looking up while I'm talking to you some of the management strategies. Neurontin?

Nah. I've used Klonopin occasionally for this just to give people some relief. I think Cyproheptadine has been uh advocated in certain situations how long do i have i read that you can go along for a long time and so that's why yeah i read that i could go on up to six weeks i'm thinking oh god no easily easily and so you want to get something kind of going here and and the less i'm trying to see if i can find anything and um and now because i have no job i have no insurance so now i don't have anybody to call to write me anything up oh my god i know you really do need a psychiatrist who has experience

with this i i do not i've seen it i've heard about a million times i'm not treated you know what's interesting i was never managed by a psychiatrist. Actually, I take that back. 16 years ago when I first went on it, I was managed by a psychiatrist. Then my general prac, whoever it was at the time, and over time in the last 16 years, has picked up the responsibility. So I don't even have a psychiatrist to, to go to.

And of course with, if I could even get Medi-Cal, then, this group is advocating switching to another SSRI. Well, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's still a neuro,

it's still going to screw up my neurotransmitters. It's still going to be in my brain. Here's our treating SSRI withdrawal with ciproheptadine. Let's see what it says. This is not a… People have been using antihistamines and things. What is all that noise? Oh, sorry.

That was… Oh, her phone. It's the phone. Talk to your doctor about cyproheptadine. That's the only one that comes to mind. And Klonopin. Those are the two that come to mind as possibly useful. Unless you have addiction in your family or whatever.

No, I don't have addiction in my family. You have to be careful with the Klonopin too because, of course, that will have withdrawal symptoms if you use too much of that yeah i don't use too much of it i i could take like a half one and i'm just out of it well i don't want to be in a coma i haven't been able to exercise because at night before you go to bed and then you just feel better the next day sometimes i mean that's for anxiety or whatever. So it's very frustrating, very difficult. There are so many crazy withdrawal symptoms. What's that? Would something like clonidine work for what she's saying,

or is that not applicable to us? Yeah, I was thinking about clonidine, but sometimes. Let me look it up for you. Did you see that somewhere? I did not look. I just, when I looked it up i just looked at basically i didn't see any medication but i was looking specifically for what the side effects were with the withdrawal but the side effects were with coming off of and when i saw withdrawal and i

went oh god check check check check I thought, oh my God, please don't make this go on for six weeks. I can't. Yeah, clonidine is an option. Let's see if we have any other. That's the reason why it comes to mind. I just remembered because whenever they had me on all those opioid painkillers for almost a year before.

Oh yeah, well, that's different. Clonidine, that for sure works there. Yeah, it worked so well for the withdrawals and the tapering down and all of that stuff. for almost a year before I had surgery. Oh, yeah. Well, that's different. Clotting, that for sure works there. Yeah. For sure works there. It worked so well for the withdrawals and the tapering down and all of that stuff. I was totally fine. And my doctor had just mentioned, oh, in a lot of cases, it's almost like it's almost a one-size-fits-all

for a lot of cases for different things like this. So I wondered if they've tried that yet for this. I'm just looking at it. Is it common like I was feeling a little bit better on Sunday and it started back up again on Monday and now I'm like I haven't had the shakes this bad yet yeah it's a is it supposed to be getting worse yeah I mean yes it does that's you have to kind of suppress it so it does look like clonidine, lofexidine, and I've seen cyproheptadine being used.

So these are all, but you have to, it's activating the histamine system and the locus coeruleus that seems to help with some of this stuff. Too bad I can't just take Benadryl. Well, I wouldn't do that without supervision. That's for sure. Because it would be a lot.

Histamine one. i wouldn't do that without supervision that's for sure uh because it would be a lot just mean one uh yeah it's hard to say i i again you'd have to be very carefully watched so so i you've got it i can't do it because i don't have a doctor so there's no point yeah but it's can't you go to some sort of teaching hospital or county funded or something like that? I don't know. I'm in LA. Where can I go? There's a place called the Magnolia Center on the west side.

Is that what it's called, Susan? I don't know. Is there anything in the valley besides all of you? If that's even still there? What about at SC? No, all of you is a UCLA hospital. So that would be a good place. I can't think of anything else in the Valley off the top of my head.

But you just look up county-funded, teaching hospitals, that kind of thing. But the problem is it's going to be, oh, yeah, you can come in three weeks. So maybe you can get somebody on the phone. I mean, see if you can get any crisis lines on the phone get some advice but it's uh it's it's challenging it's very challenging it's terrible and people can even get akathisia's uh from what's that where you start pacing around and you know you can't stop moving it's a little different than what you're having your thing is the temperature dysregulation the chills chills and the zaps, which are typical the SSRIs and the and the nausea rise and the nausea, vomiting. Yeah, that's

typical. I mean, yeah, why I remind everybody all medicines are bad. It's only when the risk reward is worth it. And you're reminding us of that today. So okay, so then so then in that case what should i i'm i'm on that i'm on well but you i'm on um it's the doctor that's prescribing it cannot abandon you even though you don't have insurance so call that call that group whoever that doctor is and tell them what's going on okay let's start there okay yeah they shouldn't be able to. Start with that. Ask about ciproheptadine.

Ask about clonidine. And can they help you? And they should be able to do it over the phone because they're the prescribing. They are responsible. They are the ones. They are the prescribing entity. Yeah, I was going to say that.

Let's talk to Lizette very quick here. That was interesting for me. Just kind of review. Poor lady. I've seen a lot of that stuff. Yeah. So you got to unmute yourself there. What's going on? Hi. Sorry about that. You bet. Hi. I've been on the call for a while. I wasn't sure if you touched base on the RSV situation that's going on now.

I did not talk about it, but that's kind of awful. Little neonates are getting a lot of RSV. RSV is on the rise. Yeah, I don't have any babies that small. We just got over RSV with my four-year-old and my one-year-old and myself, but

they too, my four-year-old's got it really bad and obviously it's scary when they have it you go you get checked in and they're just like oh it's just rsv just go home yeah and watch him yeah he's turning blue he's turning purple he can't breathe at night put a vaporizer okay but now i'm watching the news and it's like rsv big bad virus with kids and this and that. Now I'm wondering, is it really bad?

Because I was just at home keeping an eye on him. It can be a little scary, but it's generally not bad. But here goes the press again, trying to freak people out. Turn them off immediately. Give them what they deserve.

If they start that shit, immediately turn your television off. Immediately. If you have a subscription to a newspaper that's trying it, end your subscription. That's the only way to get these people to stop, to stop this insanity. Yes, RSV is real. RSV is dangerous. RSV is nasty. And it doesn't, and most people get well fine.

Did they ask you to get a o2 monitor on the finger or anything they did not but i had that so i have one of those and i always kept it on i have a pediatric one and i have an adult one so i kept it on him right in the middle of night and i'd watch it go down while he's sleeping but he was right next to me he slept with me and that's kind of all i did and it's usually all it's required. It really is. You might need some breathing treatments. It can be bad. I'm not going to kid you. And it's awfully pervasive now. It's really coming on strong. And it's not like this coronavirus is going to mutate

into nastier things all the time. It's what it is and there's more of it. And you got through it and good. Great. You're now through it. Yeah, we totally did. Like you said, the media is going crazy now. They're out of control. You're talking about all these different things and how the long term can affect. Now I'm like, wait a second. I wasn't told about anything. No, no, you're good.

You're good. RSV, you're good. Just get through it. Okay. All right. All right. Thanks for the call. Thank you.

Respiratory syncytial virus is what she's talking about. It's been around forever, but it's made a resurgence in the day of post COVID. The thinking is that nobody got it because they weren't exposed to it because no one was going into hospitals, no one going to doctor's office, kids weren't interacting with each other. And so it was less likely to occur. And now it's catching up with itself, so to speak. Now it's really, it's on. Okay, guys, I think that about does it. We put in close to two hours here. Thank you for hanging out with us. I know a few of you still want to come up here, but I'm going to have to wrap this thing up.

We are out for about a week here. We are next back on Wednesday when we have Dr. Aaron Cariarty coming back. He's the psychiatrist, medical ethicist that lost his job because of his concern with mass vaccination and the way that the pandemic was being conducted. He is a really bright, very fine psychiatrist. We will ask him, hey, what was her name who had the withdrawal syndrome? I don't see your name. Call back on Wednesday if you're still having these symptoms and we'll talk to Cary Artie about it. He's an expert in these things. And I'll try to remember. I'm going to write it down right now to try to ask him about it.

Susan, anything on your radar? No. Okay. Okay. We'll go back to watching Las Vegas Jail tonight and enjoy ourselves. And Caleb, thank you. Have a good week.

I'm going to Cleveland to talk to a drug treatment center. Then we are going to New York and then we're, it's weird though. I feel like that woman's energy like came through and I'm like, I could feel for her cause I, I don't know. I've felt like that before, but I just, I feel like very,

I feel very anxious now yeah she she had she was in distress she was accelerated and agitated from all she was going through that's why i brought up the akathisia in case she started even getting that stuff uh later on and uh yeah it's it's it's it's you it's contagious it sounded very very uncomfortable. And it got me, you know, very quickly digging into the literature, trying to figure out what's going on here. That's interesting for me to try to help somebody when they're in distress like that.

I'm sorry if it, you know, diverted the attention of the show for a little while, but I thought it was worth spending the time just kind of looking at it. No, I know. I wish we could help her more. Well, she's got the idea. Again, it's Klonopin, Klonodine.

Well, what about like healthy living? Like take a walk you know get outside do some little exercise yes eat something good for you and but it's it's it's really it's hard but you can't it doesn't take it away it just it's hard for people to describe how unpleasant it is it's really unpleasant for people and i've dealt with it a lot oh sure and um drug withdrawal but this is not opiate withdrawal this is something much more sort of it it it's almost like it's not happening but it is happening it's a very strange thing yeah and and imagine feeling electricity

zapping from the back your head to the front on a constant basis like and it and it that's and it's because it's kind of neurological it's uncanny and it's difficult for them to describe it but they know it's miserable and uh no doubt it is all right thank you all thank you caleb and uh we will see everyone next wednesday with dr carriardi see you then ask dr drew is produced by caleb nation Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your personal doctor, and

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