Ask Dr. Drew - Hunter Biden's Laptop Coverup & Elon Musk's Twitter Purchase: Adam Housley Speaks – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 85

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

Adam Housley is an Emmy and AP award-winning journalist, former professional baseball player, and current winery owner. He joins Ask Dr. Drew to discuss the strange saga of the Hunter Biden laptop coverup, efforts to fight misinformation, and Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter. Find more from Adam at https://AdamHousley.tv and follow him at https://twitter.com/AdamHousely. [The podcast was originally broadcast on April 20, 2022] Adam was on the air as the missiles came and the war started in Kuwait and covered the war on terror in 5 Middle Eastern countries. Overall he has reported from 22 countries and 24 states... and was tear gassed 6 times and labelled a threat by Hugo Chavez. Adam is married to the love of his life, actress Tamera Mowry Housley, and they have two children, Aden and Ariah. After leaving news he expanded the family wine business and now is the President of Housley's Century Oak Winery and Housley Napa Valley. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation ( https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/FirstLadyOfLove). SPONSORS • BLUE MICS – After more than 30 years in broadcasting, Dr. Drew’s iconic voice has reached pristine clarity through Blue Microphones. But you don’t need a fancy studio to sound great with Blue’s lineup: ranging from high-quality USB mics like the Yeti, to studio-grade XLR mics like Dr. Drew’s Blueberry. Find your best sound at https://drdrew.com/blue  • ELGATO – Every week, Dr. Drew broadcasts live shows from his home studio under soft, clean lighting from Elgato’s Key Lights. From the control room, the producers manage Dr. Drew’s streams with a Stream Deck XL, and ingest HD video with a Camlink 4K. Add a professional touch to your streams or Zoom calls with Elgato. See how Elgato’s lights transformed Dr. Drew’s set: https://drdrew.com/sponsors/elgato/  THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. And welcome, everyone. We are in our last show before a little break here. Caleb moves about the country tomorrow, and so we will not be able to do any further broadcasting tomorrow we'll be back next friday a little so a week from this friday a little bit later like four o'clock in the afternoon uh happy 420 everybody has a lot of 420 action on the restream susie you know all about 420 no she's shaking her head no i i saw it but i wasn't sure

what does that mean um for that are your mom's house thing it's so it's i I wasn't sure. What does that mean? 420. Is that a Your Mom's House thing? No. It's so, I don't want to explain it to you because I don't want to spoil you. You're perfect as you are. Oh, shut up. Oh, come on. It really is nothing. It's funny, right?

My friends at Cypress Hill have a very famous 420 concert. Okay. Remember those guys? Yeah. Okay. And 420 is sort of the time when you when you uh smoke out a little bit that's the for the cannabis world oh is that what we're gonna do later if you wish i mean why not once in a while whatever it takes um but i don't think new york uh looks kindly upon that we come from the great state of California. Well, I don't have anything anyway, so. Oh, well, damn.

But how did our daughter get so hooked on pot if New York doesn't look at it? Good question. I think it's available medically here. I think so. Which has always been a ridiculous scam. I always said, if you're going to have this big medical marijuana system that is really just a de facto legalization of cannabis, don't misuse my profession. Just legalize it. Just forget it.

This is just, and then people can choose to use it or not use it in so-called therapeutic context or not. But having to see a doctor was the most ridiculous thing and the most miscarriage of professional services. Susan, could you put the air on a little bit here? I'm actually hot right now, if that's possible. Maybe. So our guest today is Adam Housley, because I'll get you right back in here, because I know Susan wants to speak to Adam. No, no, no, just you guys go ahead. MENAP award-winning journalist, former professional

baseball player, now a vintner or winery owner, I guess we have more accurate. He's had a very wide and interesting career and life. And he always gets, well, Susan, I think Adam stirs you up particularly. He says lots of things that make you a little nervous, yes? He doesn't make me nervous. I just like what he has to say. Well, let's bring him on in. Because he's smart.

Adam Housley, you can see him on the website, AdamHousleyTV. Follow him on Twitter and Instagram at AdamHousley, H-O-U-S-L-E-Y, and at The Housley Life. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake.

Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying. You go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat.

If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. So I want to get right into something that Susan was actually very anxious to talk to you today because she became, I don't quite know what's going on with what she's thinking, and I'm going to have you sort of see if she's going in the right direction or if she's off base here. She got very upset. All right. So let me frame it this way.

Yeah, wait till I unleash on you. So I have always thought it was bizarre that this country followed the policies of the Chinese Communist Party in Wuhan during the initial phases of this outbreak. That seemed bizarre to me. It seemed nothing like that had ever been done in the history of medicine. It seemed no evidence based for doing it. It seemed like it could only be harmful. There was a lot of at the time, well, what else are you going to do? Or we got to do something. Let's just do this to flatten the curve. Okay. Okay. And I remember, as I've said many, many times here, I was on a local Fox 11 show. I was anchoring in Los Angeles, and we had somebody from the school board who came in and said,

we're going to close the schools. And I just said, who told you to do that? What medic, a physician came up with this? No, it's just the right thing to do. It was all Wuhan. And to me, Wuhan at the time, you know know with the chlorine trucks running down the streets and the brick Adam welcome back hey thanks after do look like an attempt for the local what I think of as the local Soviet trying to save face against the higher authority right I mean the communist

system is such that if you if the up the ups have to get involved, you have failed. So I thought, well, that's probably all they were doing. So far, am I correct, or would you modify what I've presented thus far? No, I would say you're exactly correct. I would add a little bit to it in the sense that as they were doing those actions, I mean, listen, actions speak louder than words. We can all sit here and we can go back and forth politically, and people are going to have their opinion no matter what. But factually, what you've said is correct. And don't forget, factually, as they were doing that, they were allowing people to fly out of their country. Right. Right. So there seemed to be no rhyme. There's no medical sort of logic to what they were doing. There's no physicians, no infectious disease experts making these calls. It was politics, bureaucracy, something else doing it. Now we, our New York

Times editorial board stepped up and said, you must do the same thing. And our politicians, well, and then the state, the states followed one after the other, which seemed to be sort of a Trump derangement. If Trump said, said take it easy they had to go extra hard but whatever these were the sort of the factors playing all right so now here we are two years hence and everyone is looking at shanghai and going oh my god i can't believe it i can't believe what's great can you imagine and my perception of this is how does it look? You like it? That's what we did. We followed that policy. That's what we did. The Communist Chinese Party in Shanghai, that basic structure is what we followed.

Now, that's my opinion. Susan thinks something much more significant is going on in this. I feel like it's, again, the bureaucracy doing what bureaucracy does that the the you know the local soviet can't let the up the ups find out that they're failing in any way they have to take care of it themselves they do it under the guise of zero covid which any rational person knows is a zero probability but i'm gonna let susan talk about what she's worried about but you're talking about soviets i i'm just using it as a model that of how communist systems are put together soviets are different than chinese that's true and when it comes to communism well i'm just talking about

bureaucracy you substitute the word bureaucracy for soviet communist bureaucracy yeah government control and government bureaucracy is what i'm talking about right which is how the how the russians did it how the chinese do it right Right, right. But the thing about China is there's so many more people, and they've been indoctrinated to become workers for the government, peasants, and basically the people that are in charge are the 1% at the top. But what bothers me is when they use something like COVID to disguise what's really going on behind the scenes. And China is known for having a lot, having a motive,

having different motives. And, you know, I mean, Trump was the only one who would call them out and really, you know, get to the bottom of it. But it's like everybody's afraid to talk about it. And the Chinese typically, like the Russians want to talk about it, but they just shut them off and say, sorry, you can't talk about it. The Chinese will not talk about it. And they hide because they're afraid of their lives ending abruptly

or their family's lives and it just it worries me because i think that that there's something bigger coming all right so that's susan sees this as something ancillary there's something else going on i see it as the just a repeat of wuhan she's saying oh no no i think now i have heard a theory that they're making it one theory i have heard was there's an attempt to tank commodity prices that that's one of their right well they already tanked our economy so with the covet so we they're getting all right so let's hear is susan onto something adam is my question you know i that's a that's a tough answer honestly question to answer, I should say.

I think we have to go back and look at the kind of, you've laid, you each have laid things out that are very informative, but I think Americans don't really pay attention to because of the, if you don't do what we say, you are against your anti-vaxxer. I mean, we quickly judge everybody, as you guys know, and it's happened before the Wuhan situation brought coronavirus to the rest of the world. But we can look at the facts of everything. And the facts are this. The Chinese we can't trust. There's no doubting that. Anybody who's said otherwise is either lying or paid off or they're afraid for their lives.

And Susan touched on that as well. I know I have a number of people that were both in China and have been in Hong Kong, which is obviously Chinese territory now, throughout this entire time and prior to um they all tell the same story they don't know each other and inside china it was a situation where you have two types of people you have those who are complete terrified for their lives and will do whatever it takes because if they don't they're afraid for their lives and their families lives or livelihoods are both and then you have those who are who are bought in and i know that from my friends in hong kong there are points where if you weren't didn't have your mask on perfectly people could report you and they would get a reward so it was like you went outside

you it was it was terrifying for people even to go outside because god forbid hey you pissed somebody off and they lied about you or b you didn't put your mask on right or whatever. And so that's what people are dealing with inside China. And now we know also what China did with the World Health Organization. I mean, they lied. And the WHO knew they were lying and still put out improper information. So what kind of threats or what were they doing influence-wise to the WHO? Everything we've been told about this from day one by China has pretty much been wrong. And their actions have been wrong. I know from the investigators involved, at least some of the investigators involved, that they still don't get access or haven't got access to be able to look at things and

decide on where this truly came from. I mean, the guys that I trust immensely still say the question isn't if this was messed with, this virus was messed with. It's a naturally occurring virus that was somehow messed with and somehow got out. Now, the debate is, did it get out on purpose or not? That's where the debate really continues to exist. But there is no debate on how it spread. It was allowed to spread. Again, action speaks louder than words. So that brings us to today. And then we can go on to how we responded to it and the different shutdowns. I was in California.

So I think early on, our governor handled it well. Later on, he sucked. And it's that simple. I mean, he went to a five-star restaurant and lied about the whole thing. It was my hometown, Yachtville. So I say all that to bring us to today. You know, obviously, some of us are watching what's going on in Shanghai. Is this China trying to, again, mess with the commodity market? Is there something really going down?

Is it some people on the extreme, Susan, to follow your line of thought? There are some people that I know, again, I try to take in different information. I'm not saying I agree with them. But there's people I know that think that China is trying to develop other strains to help cover their tracks and try to see if they can make them look like they're naturally occurring strains. So there's a lot of theories out there. And part of the reason why we have all these theories is China is not giving us access.

That makes perfect sense. I predict that will happen. They do what makes sense for the logic of their bureaucratic system. That system does what it does but and and i think but susan i have other theories well you you you're you're afraid for the chinese people right i know that i know a couple of things i know that if we had world war there's always a chance that china and russia would be would work together i just have from history and that they you know but on the other hand they don't want world war

so they might put up a good fight against it but then have to do whatever they had to do you're worried that somehow shanghai is enough and i don't think they want these people to rebel against it so they are they're making them, you know, learn what it's going to be like. Yeah. So like you do whatever we tell you to do. And then,

or the other thing is, you know, obviously Taiwan's days are numbered. So that might be the other reason that they're getting ready to do something there and they don't want any protests about it. So, so if we take them food away and we make them stay in their houses. Go ahead,

Adam. Go ahead. Yeah. Sorry. I mean, I mean, I, the delay mean i the delay i apologize um there's two things you're making great points and remember one big thing china does not want the us to fail if we fail their house and cards collapses they want us to falter russia also wants us to falter but it's not economically tied they want us to falter because of the bravado of putin wanting to return the soviet union it's not he doesn't want to bring the soviet union back he wants to bring the size of the soviet union back um and then yeah the third part of that of course is taiwan and i think the way our actions of how we've handled the afghanistan pullout and now how we handled what's going on in ukraine i think china just is just biding its time i think you

know taiwan and unfortunately is in very serious danger and i've been to taiwan i love taiwan the people don't forget yeah well they just they just rattle stuff to get money yeah yeah true right so all right so so there's our there's our shanghai You all good? Are we all? I mean, we all can assume that something else is up. It just reminds me of when. Never a bad thought when it comes to China. It's not a bad thing to kind of keep on your mind. You keep asking the question, why were those tanks of chlorine like immediately going down the street like it was already planned,

like they knew it was coming. Right. And it's the same kind of thing. It's like, this doesn't make sense that they're quarantining everybody and they're starving them because covet is not going to kill you if you've been vaccinated like well they don't have good vaccines over there they don't and they don't have the good treatments yet either well that's another thing and i maybe they want a lot of people to talk i i think i think we were go ahead oh about about about control there's something Susan might be

interested in too I know someone who's there and they have a story of one of their friends who was not exposed to the current situation but was because there was someone who reported if they were even though they weren't were taken away they're being put into a basically a container with a slit in the door on the bottom of the door and for 10 days they have a pillow and food that comes twice and it's slid under the door that's it and this individual has never tested positive and was just taken away so this control mechanism going I mean is there some of that to remind people in Hong Kong yeah yeah it's like it's like the the military

when they used to go into the testing and they put them in these little cubes and then they wouldn't have to but i like the side when they died your point is you're you're suspicious and and you're you're thinking past what most of us like to think too, which is that the government does not have the best interest of the people of heart. They're the best interest of the government. Right. And if you look at history, okay. And if you go to Taiwan, they have these beautiful museums with these huge tapestries and they were done by Confucian monks and they're huge.

They're just like walls and walls of this beautiful art. And I was looking at it and it said like died, you know, they, they died young. Okay. They died by the time they were 20 or whatever. And they, the reason was they would paint the anti-government stuff in the paintings. And when the government figured it out, they would, they would kill them. So, so it's the same thing that's been going on for hundreds of centuries. It goes back to the 1300s or whatever.

It's not, or hundreds of years. It's like, it's just this way. It's like, we don't want you to dissent and say anything. And you know what the interpreter said? Nobody cares. And I said, why don't they care? Because they're not supposed to care. Right. anything okay and no and you know what the inter the interpreter said nobody cares and i said why don't they care because they're not supposed to care right they they care they'll they'll get killed so we can't get information out and it just it makes me so i'm going to move on from china for a second because uh i think we've we've pretty much drilled that topic uh what do you make

of elon musk's offer to twitter and uh i i'm wondering uh amongst other things whether or not just what he's done so far is going to shake up twitter so much that it'll never be the same company i listen i'm open to it i think twitter i was a big twitter i still i still do tweet all the last week i haven't because i've been a little busy but um you know i it's been frustrating for me because you know on twitter is where i put out the information about for example the governor in california i'm eating at the french laundry on twitter is where i talked about um you know the computers the computer repair shop um and jp the guy that was given the computers by by hunter biden and i was shadow banned i didn't get totally

banned like the new york post but i was shadow banned for that thing so i'm you know i know there's all these other options out there that they just don't have the same size or the rate reach that twitter has because of the fact it started so you know so long ago i mean i've been i've been on there since like 07. so i only say that because i would love to see twitter get back to the the true open forum that it once was it's not there right now um i would hope that elon musk being i call him in my own little household, I call him the mad scientist. I mean, he's that guy who's like, he's like to stir everything up. I mean, who would have thought digging tunnels under LA? I mean, he does it, whether you like it or not.

Whether he finishes it or not, that's all different debates. But I kind of hope that someone like him can step in with the money and be like, well, no, we're taking this back to where it should be. Yeah. Yeah. I saw him say one thing with the money and be like, well, no, we're going to, we're taking this back to where it should be. Yeah. Yeah. He said, he said, I saw him say one thing that with such clarity, he was like, somebody was bugging him. Well, shouldn't the government be doing this? He goes, why do we give capital to an organization that has abject failure at the process of

capital allocation? They don't allocate capital properly. So you don't get the growth that the private sector can bring you. I thought that is exactly the problem. That is it, is a poor capital allocation system. It's inefficient. It's ineffective. It doesn't work. And to everyone hand the capital that direction results in disaster always. It always does. So he's an interesting guy to me. I agree with you. He's a guy that just shakes the box all the time. And I am upset. Thank God I'm not a Twitter stockholder.

I would be very upset that the board would not have asked for a proxy vote because that's how it's done in all business, in all publicly held companies. How did they get away with not doing that? Do you know? Well, I think they got away with not doing that do you know no well i think i think they got away with it with the politics of the time i mean in the sense that is it was the outside pressure that uh or the inside pressure people said oh you can't let elon musk do it he'll he'll bring back everybody i mean it was like well what's wrong with that i mean it should be my decision who i follow i mean there are a lot of nut cases out there you know that you doctor do

you know more than i do i say nut cases not, not in a mental state, but in just an action state. And I mean, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's like, I kind of, I want to be able to choose my, that's what makes America great is my ability to choose. And if I choose stupid, that's on me. But if I choose right, that's also on me. So I think that I kind of welcome it. But I think that the reason why they got away with not having a proxy vote is because of the current situation we're in where that outside pressure comes in. And then they have that as an excuse now. Oh, well, we got, you know, we can't do this for whatever reason. I mean, if it happened four years ago or five years ago, I think that they would have had to have had a proxy vote. But in this current state, anybody can be pressured to doing just about anything, especially if you don't believe a political, a certain political direction. Right. So you mentioned that you take us again through what you knew about the Hunter Biden computers and what happened to you and where we are now. Hey, before you answer, though, Caleb is putting up on the screen here, Susan, that he bought Twitter in 2017. Yeah, good move in 2017,

but you're going to lose half of those. You better sell short. That's all I'm saying. I'm going to lose half of it. Get rid of it. But anyway. No. Did you short Netflix? No, darn it.

Netflix is down from $700. It's crazy. Okay, so what about all that? Tell us about your experience with the computers and what you think is there. What do you suspect is going to happen with all that? Okay, well, I'll tell you how i found out twitter and i was all of a sudden became mr pro donald trump because i reported this and it's like i would report this if it was don jr it wouldn't matter hang on i just have adding up so it was the first the first day sorry wait wait

adam you adam the um evidently the uh the language police got involved and froze us up for whatever you just said in response to my question. So go back and say it again. Susan wants to hear everything you have to say. So start over. So when I first reported this, I had some people on the Internet who actually trolled my wife, trolled me. I was a big Donald Trump supporter all of a sudden. And what I tried to explain to people was like, listen, this could have been Don Jr. that I would have found this information about. I would have reported the exact same way. I don't care which party it was for. It kind of came to

me by accident in the sense that I'd heard a little bit about the story, been out for maybe a half day or a day at the most. A friend of mine who I trust immensely calls me and says, hey, I'm talking with JP's dad. And I go, who's JP's dad? He's like, you know, the computer repair guy. And I'm like, what? I'm trying to figure this out. And he said, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he goes, um, you know, he's starting to get attacked. It's unfair. And I said, he's like, when you know, can you can you do something to help him out? I said, Well, I need to know the story to have to talk to him. All of a sudden, the dad gets on the phone. Dad's a war hero. The father was a war hero. He flew like I forgot how many missions in Vietnam

That's how my buddy knew him and it's like so dad's not gonna be out there trying to run the ball for the Russians for God's sakes that is a war hero from Vietnam some of the most, you know pro-american left and right politically doesn't matter But those pro-american people I've ever met growing up in you know in my life and they went through a lot being in Vietnam Clearly, so he gives me the whole story and I finally said sir I appreciate your service first of all and secondly I said it sounds believable but I can't just report something like this I wanted I got to talk to him he's like well I'll see what I can do you know I'll try and blah blah blah so the phone hangs up 20 minutes

later I met my parents I'll sorry I remember this 20 minutes later the phone rings I took down all the notes in the back of a manila envelope from my mom's office. And it was JP, it was the computer repairman. And I treated him like I would any other interview subject when I was in the news. I grilled him. I grilled him up one side and down the other. I tried to catch him in contradictions. I tried to the point where I finally said, you know, you said to the news that you couldn't

be for sure because you're legally blind. He's like, and he explained to me it this way. This is what I think finally sold me. He was like, I've never been in front of a camera before. These guys stuck cameras in my face. I was afraid they were going to put me in front of it. I watched Law and Order, which he said. He goes, I'm afraid they're going to throw me in front of a judge.

He goes, he gets this whole spiel, and I get it. The way he was stumbling, I've met people like that when I've interviewed them. He says to me, Adam, I'm legally blind, but I can see six feet and my counter is not six feet in front of me. He's like, I know who gave me those computers. And then he was the one that sent me the email from Hunter Biden's attorney. I re I was the one that released that to the public. I put that out. So I believe him. And, and what frustrated me also is people were so politically polarized They don't do the common basic research funny enough

Dr. Drew about three weeks before that my wife's computer crashed the same type of computer the hunter Biden brought in What in five of them or whatever three of them and I had to I watched the guy do it at my house He plugs in the computer that's dead on one side Into his computer worth his screen opened a laptop. Then he has a hard drive on the other side. And you literally drag, drop it on the top, onto the screen, make sure it's not corrupted or whatever. And then you drag it over to the hard drive. When you drag and drop, what do you do?

You see things. And it's absolutely impossible not to. There's no other way to do it. So this whole idea that he was digging around and, you know, he's like he was doing his job. And then I and then the other frustrating part, I think, for him and for me as a reporter was in his defense. Also, he tried not to make this public. He went to his father, tried to go to the FBI several times. He tried to go. They finally took it six months later from him, six months later. And then nine months after that is when they finally went to Rudy Giuliani

because they hadn't heard anything. So you're talking about well over a year and several months time frame this guy tried to keep it out of the public eye he just wanted to go to the authorities who eventually took it and didn't do jack with it because they were trying to do for whatever reason there's all kinds of theories out there on this but they all i know is if it had been my computer or your computer i think it would have been treated much differently. And there are multiple. And then what do you make of the whatever was 50 intelligence professionals who said, oh, no, no, this is categorically, I can say for sure, this is a Russian, you know, Russian disinformation campaign.

Yeah. Didn't even look at the computer. Well, those people, first of all, have zero credibility. And what my frustration is, you see people putting being put on tv like a john like a clapper or brennan um from some of the other issues that they've had and some of the things they've told that have not come true and were Complete fabrications and it's like how are those guys considered experts now? I mean i'd be like me going out and saying i'm the best I was the best gymnast you've ever seen I can do four back flips and I hit, the Russian judge gave me a nine five.

And then everyone knows that's a complete lie, but all of a sudden I'm an expert anyway. That doesn't make sense to me. So those 50 professionals who signed onto that letter should be completely discounted from anything in the future in regards to their opinion on things because that was clearly done either politically

or because they were pressured. And either way, it's wrong. They didn't talk to the person. They didn't look at the computer. And again, actions always speak louder than words. The FBI kept the computer. The FBI opened investigation. You don't do that to something that's nothing. Now, what's on the computer, that's another whole debate. I don't honestly know. He told me a few things that he saw I don't think he truly knows everything either that's on there I haven't spoken to him in a little while but I believe the guy I think he was an honest American I think he was doing what I think he did what's right I think he tried to do what's

right for a very long time and I think that for him to become the enemy is exactly what's wrong in this country right now what is it that so and so Matt Gaetz entered the contents of the computer into the congressional record is that what I saw happened I'm a little confused by what's happening now and what is going to happen with that and where is it all going to go do we think I don't know that's a good question and funny you say that i saw that clip uh was one of the actually was the only live thing i'd actually watched that day i happened to turn on i don't watch the news but i turned east bandit popped up and um and so i saw that and i was like oh that's interesting and then i haven't had a chance to follow back up on it you know it's a little bit

it's a lot of stuff going on right now in washington as you know um and so i need to follow up on what i don't know matt um and i'm not sure if it was a political stunt or if he actually does have What the contents were on there and now I also would like to know from my my what I'll do is I'm gonna call one Of my tech guys that I respect who doesn't have really a political animal in this game And I'll be like hey is this something that he would have been able to figure out get open and you know See and that person will tell me yes or no yeah interesting well i'll be anxious to hear what that is i i i don't know where we're going with that it's all very confusing to me i i wonder also if you have an opinion about uh julian assange

what's happening with him there's another one i mean my my frustration frustration with Julian Assange is like, why can't... I guess it comes down to Julian Assange was a hero for one side until he wasn't. And now he's a villain for that same side. BJP, Julian Assange, even with the Trump administration, even Obama in some ways, in some of their administration, I feel like we've become this country of we're going to win no matter what the cost is, no matter who's affected, no matter what the truth is. And we're not getting the truth out. Julian Assange is putting out stuff that benefited the left, and they were pumped by it. And then all of a sudden, it didn't, and they're pissed by it. I think Julian has, I would love, I think Trump missed a huge opportunity. I think Trump should have brought him to the States, done some sort of pardon.

Because who knows what he knows? I mean, and for me, again, I just want truth. And no matter which side it benefits. Yeah, isn't he at the, I'm wondering if he is going to be sort of ground zero or one of the, at least one of the skirmishes around free speech, right? Because both sides are pissed at him and, and that's exactly how it's supposed to be,

right? You're supposed, no one's supposed to like free speech, but because he's, because he's, because he's exposing everything and there's bound to be stuff that's how that's how free speech finds a balance by pissing everybody off exactly yep what's wrong with that i mean people like well it hurts our security well what about bradley manning or well

what's what's i forgot uh he transitioned her name all of a sudden but yeah what you know yeah right and that that that people actually died I might that people were speculating that somebody somebody died but yeah I mean I don't want to see anybody lose their life it's obviously you I'm America first guy I love to help the world but it's very concerning I mean for me especially being here where I'm seeing this you know if you don't think a certain way, then you're a certain way. And it's like, wait a second here. I mean, I was at Fox automatically.

I was a right wing extremist racist. I'm married to a black woman. And then people say, oh, that's a cover. I'm like, are you kidding me? I mean, seriously right now? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. I married a woman. I had children because I want to cover my racism.

I mean, that's insanity. And that's what we've come to. And there's people that believe this stuff, drew i don't know you would know as a doctor is i mean it's like our psyche has been completely blown the common sense is no longer common yeah well it it to me one of the gravest concerns and i saw it strangely enough a sort of a twitter feed today about this uh that the foundation of all that what you're talking about are the post-structuralist french philosophers foucault chaussure these guys from the from the 1950s that i i've seen i've been studying french lately and

i've been seeing some french speakers talk on that. And they cannot understand how anyone could be interested in those fools. In fact, from many philosophers' perspective, they were playing a joke. They were having fun with reality by making fun of words and things. This idea that reality really doesn't exist. Well, the physicists can tell you that, but there is an emergent, what we call classical world that we must deal with, and it does exist, and it has sort of biological rules, and it has sociological, there's things that just happen and operate, and the idea that we are preoccupied with meaningless French philosophers from nearly 100 years ago that the French themselves would have nothing to do with for the last 70 years is just weird.

And yet they cling to these guys and their nihilism. And I guess maybe it's, I don't know. Nihilism, I guess, uh attractive when you're trying to just completely tear everything down i guess i i know and then you have people that are out there that are you know still somehow what's old is new again talking about the benefits of of a true socialist or communist society like we know this doesn't work people i mean you you tell you said well eastern western europe has they has some socialist things. They're not socialist nations.

There's a difference. Yes. I mean, have you? Yes. And I think part of the problem is a lot of Americans who think these things are woke or they're trying to be helpful, but the only form of travel they've ever done is to a sandals resort in the Caribbean. They've never actually been to a place where people are under these type of very strict constraints i mean venezuela i've been to cuba i haven't been there

thankfully but i want to go venezuela i've been to i've been to you know on the border of north korea so i've seen what north korea looks like standing in the south korean side you know um china i've been to china you know you you've been to some of these nations and you see how people are treated and you see what they're yearning for and they're yearning for what we have and in some cases we're giving away yeah i i've been to cuba a couple of times uh and last time we were there we had to buy people food because they didn't have food and there were some lovely elements of music and celebration and the hotels kind of worked but the rest of the country was just so oh my god it was struggling i mean it was just terrible to see right communism doesn't work

and then people go it's because americans choke them off economically it's like no no we got in right in between when trump opened it up and he closed it on a cruise ship but it was it was good to see i mean they they seemed like they were trying to be capitalistic and make money off of it but they didn't have anything to sell they didn't you know and if you sell something you have to give half the money to the government so like anything you sell well remember the the socialism and communism was when the government owns the businesses and back to elon musk's point that this is this is the least effective system, the allocation of capital. Now, they just don't do a good job at it.

It just doesn't work. And to the extent that there is socialism in Western Europe, they paid a gigantic economic price for it. The only people that get hurt from sanctions are the people. The government doesn't. Yeah. No. Because we're giving sanctions. The government's going to find it. It doesn't. Yeah. Because we're giving sanctions.

The government's going to find us. It doesn't do anything. And again, it's not a 50% tax that makes it a socialist system. We pay 50%. If you live in California, you're paying 50%. That's what you're paying. What, 54%

is it now? It's probably more in Cuba. It's probably like 75%. It's not the taxing it's it's the control there's there's no economics there's no there's no i don't know again we're getting into a crazy if our roads were good our mental health was was was properly function uh you know functioned if our schools had proper truly had the money going to the students, if law enforcement was properly secured, our infrastructure and bridges were being, then I'd be fine paying 54%. But in California, our roads are crap.

Our mental health system is not being addressed. Money is being thrown away for horrible decision making in Sacramento in regards to, this is happening across the country, by the way. I can go through the whole list. But why I'm honest really quickly for those who are watching from California, because I want to make this a California center conversation. Take a look and keep an eye on one of the other things I've been talking about and tweeting about is the absolute mess of money that this country gave away

for COVID and that money didn't go there trying to make it sound like, oh, well, this person took two million, that person took two million. And the inmates, they sold bull crap. That's all very They're trying to make it sound like, oh, well, this person took $2 million. That person took $2 million. And the inmates, they stole bull crap. That's all very, very – it's like a percent of what was stolen. In California alone, right now the estimate is $60 billion was lost to COVID. We're not getting any of that back. Nationwide, it's over $500 billion. California could reach $100 billion alone.

And most of that money went overseas. It went to West Africa and Eastern Europe. It's basically financing crime. Yeah, please keep reporting on that. It was a boondoggle of just monumental proportions. And that people don't understand. California is such a mess. I keep saying, i don't mind paying

tax either if i get something for it now i live in the city of pasadena and they have great city services and i have sales tax and things that i pay i am delighted to pay my garbage everything is good and i can look out my window and see my government functioning in fact i saw oh christ what's the name of the famous nobel prize winning economist uh that everyone's he's sort of out of favor right now anyway i saw an interview with him where he was saying that's why you know really the the best government is local government that's where people can see and participate in and the the habit of democracy is something that alexis de tocqueville pointed out in 1820 as why democracy was working in America.

And the fact that things get more and more centralized is breaking that down. Things need to be decentralized. The centralization is really, I see it killing my profession. Centralization is really bad in medicine right now. And it's why doctors didn't perform well during COVID. They were afraid. They were listening to central authorities. And the central authorities did not know what they were doing

or took weirdly engaged in political thinking around their medical decision-making. It was very, very strange. And it did not help people. I've never heard physicians say, go home and come back when you're an extremist. Go home and come back when you're really sick. That was the weirdest, most effed up thing I'd ever seen.

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slash B-L-U-E. We are back with Adam Housley. Again, you can find him at Adam Housley. Let me get all your proper stuff. We lost our audio or something. Oh, now? Lost my audio. At some point. We had some freezing. We have frozen. Not yours. Oh, now? Lost my audio. At some point. We had some freezing. We have frozen.

Not yours. When Adam starts talking about problematic topics, we just freeze. What is that all about? Something during the ad happened. Oh, okay. Okay. It's Adam Housley.

Wait a minute. Is that Adam Housley? Is that right, Adam? Am I getting an Adam Housley life? All right. There we go. It's at Adam Housley. Okay.

Okay. So let's get some Housley. Okay. Okay. So let's get some calls going here. Oh, and by the way, people are giving me a bunch of shit about Dr. Fauci. I've been, from the beginning of this pandemic, I've been saying,

you know, the press needs to shut up and we should listen to Dr. Fauci and the CDC. Now, I know Fauci has been adulterated. The CDC has to take a good, long, hard look at itself and its performance here. It's not been what I wanted. But I do believe he and that organization will adjust course. I don't think the public health system is going to adjust course necessarily.

That's what I'm worried about, the horrible, horrible decision-making by county and state public health officials. And by the way, I realize that we have non-physicians and state public health officials. And by the way, I realized that we have non-physicians in these public health positions. That's insane. And to the extent that we do have physicians, there's a majority of pediatricians, and they don't have the judgment capacity. They're not used to making judgments around adult medicine. I talked to Peter Hotez the other day, and he was flipping out about the neurological consequences of COVID. And I was thinking, why is he so worked up about it? I thought, oh, he's never done adult neurology.

He doesn't understand that older people my age, when we get sick, we always get neurological symptoms, and then we recover. That's the way it works. That's having an old brain. That's what it's all about. Let's see if I can get Steve up here now. Steve K. There you are. Steve's what it's all about. Let's see if I can get Steve up here now. Steve K. There you are. Steve, what's going on?

Hey guys, how are you? Good. Susan, you might want to check. I'm not sure of all the details on this, but on the subject of Shanghai, it's my understanding that there's a major Chinese Communist Party election that's happening in the next few months, and that this lockdown may be related to that i don't know ah that was that

would be where student susan spidey sense was up i i know not to disregard your spidey sense by the way trust me i'm not i'm not disregarding it i'm just trying to figure it out what it is you might be saying they're shutting down because they think people like them better when they get shut down? Or maybe it works against some political figure versus another. What do you think, Steve? Yeah, the areas that they're shutting down are related to the opposition. Shanghai is technology intense and a lot of the opposition. It's considered the freest city in China.

Right. And they also are shutting down the technology as well. There you go. There you go there you go and Elon Musk's plan is over there too in Shanghai but interesting just yeah I mean so confusing let's see what what that's about um Adam are you familiar with a book called unrestricted warfare I'm not is Adam still on the line he's here he was thinking he's a little delay you'll speak he has a little delay before he can hear you like like a second okay but he said no he's not yeah

go ahead plays into your discussion a lot the it was written by two chinese colonels in 1999 and it's essentially a blue the blueprint for uh from those colonels to the Chinese Communist Party for domination of the West and the globe. And what was written, it's translated, and it's a tough read, but translated, it says, you know, there are three ways that we're going to control and dominate the West, three types of warfare. There's data or cyber warfare. There's economic warfare. And there's kinetic warfare, you know, guns up. And if we win the first two types of warfare, we will never have to fire a gun. And apparently that is the plan. And we've seen it in economic warfare. We've seen it in how the CCP has taken our manufacturing industries and replaced them with fentanyl in many of the major manufacturing cities.

And we've also seen the dominance and the money that's been poured into media and into our technology. Our technology has been stolen. So I'm just wondering if this is kind of, there are no conspiracies, but there are also no coincidences. You know, if maybe this is, this is just part of the larger plan to not crush us,

like you said, but to control us. Well, yeah. Yeah. So what do you say there, Adam? Yeah.

I mean, I mean, it makes complete sense. You also, there's, there's something else that I have not read the book but i got to believe somewhere in there from what you're telling me um there's got to be some sort of connection in regards to enveloping yourself or ingraining yourself i should say into society i mean china is so intertwined into the united

states right now in so many different ways that they have they hold a lot of strains and they hold a lot of power here um and the u.s has allowed that to happen sometimes our freedom can be um you know something that's gonna hinder us and i think that you have to add that into the mix as well again china doesn't want us to fall or fail they want us to falter there's a difference and and adam riddled me this i i am i'm probably the only person that's had i i brought this up before and it lands like a thud, but I'm going to bring it up again now, which is there were two opium wars where

Western society essentially infected all of China with opiates. Nobody sees the irony that now they're doing that to us. We complain about it like maniacs and, well, how are they allowed? Why do they keep doing it? Why don't they stop? We did it. we twice we did it and the wars were fought over it when when they attempted to

cut it off we literally went to war because china said enough with the opium it's insane that no one sees that history again adam am i am i off base No, we don't talk about history. Dr. Drew, we don't talk about history. That's right. You struck back. I'm here. We don't talk about history. Keep going.

I struck back. But even recent history, we don't learn from it. He makes a point about the cyber warfare. I know this from the FBI guys who are on the front lines of this. We have military. I've done the story three or four times of different cyber warfare teams We have and most recently I got I think I put this out on Twitter about a year ago a buddy of mine contacted me There's warehouses in China where they have people sitting in front of a big plywood basically tilt ups and they have between 20 and 40 cell phones all the way across and all they're doing is is

Influencing us the us and us social media right i mean there's yeah i think the i've got the average the number the number that the number of of fraud cases right now um this coming from china is massive i think the us opens i forgot how many hundred of cases every day that's all coming from china they're they're absolutely at a massive war with us and we don't either don't care or don't know how to handle it i get pictures of young chinese women that hi you're in my contacts and i don't know who you are and i start cracking up i just like i i fuck with them but they but they're always like oh oh you know what do you do oh maybe we can be friends i'm like no sorry but they never said click on any links.

Yeah. Yeah, right. She gave her all her passwords and everything, this Chinese woman. I don't understand what she was up to. Completely safe to do. It was really cute. It was really safe to do. So, yeah, yeah.

So let's get another call here going. Hang on, guys. Bobby's out there. Hi, Bobby Chacon on Clubhouse. Raise your hand. Well, let's invite Bobby to speak because I want to ask him that question that we talked about earlier

about the leaders in intelligence coming in. And we'll see if Bobby comes to the podium here to speak. He may not want to speak about this. He may be doing the Chinese move today it's what i'll let him speak about the chinese thing we were talking about but also oh i see him coming hi bobby you got to unmute yourself you're still we couldn't hear a thing because you're muted your mic's muted it's the lower right hand corner of the mic thing am i doing this right you got it we hear you now.

So we had drinks and dinner with your friend Lauren Savant, your new neighbor. My neighbor, I know. We celebrated her birthday last week. Too crazy. Small world. Small world. So we were... And Adam and I have known each other for a while, too. We've had dinner.

That's right. I was going to say, is that the box? I remember that now. I know the box. Yeah. Yeah. So Adam, I want to ask Bobby the same question I asked you. These 50 intelligence professionals, so-called,

that got in and said, there's nothing to see here with this laptop. It's definitely Russian interference. What should we make of that, Bobby? Well, I mean, you should make of it that when people retire from government they try to leverage their experience to maximize their income and that's interesting there there's a very big move

and you know my former colleague uh mckay andy mccabe did it and uh josh and campbell has done it i mean these people leave government service and then they go and they get big contracts with cnn or msnbc and when you do that and and by by the way people have probably seen me on cnn and msnbc but i've never received a dime for appearing on any of those i i will i will vouch for bobby and that he's been on my show on hl and i've never i've never taken i've never taken money to give my opinion. And these people have. And they get very lucrative contracts with these networks to do that. And so, but the understanding is they will say what the networks want them to say, regardless of their public pronouncements of objectivity.

That just doesn't last because a friend of mine did have one of those contracts and was relieved of it in short order because he didn't toe the line right um and so that's what i make of this i make these people there is this huge movement now and these people to write books and and become experts and become commentators and it's all it's all financially driven yep yep well and and to be fair the the the mess we're in with media generally is because media has become news, particularly has become such a commercial enterprise that it's distorting the ethics and the priorities. Is it? Adam, tell me more.

That's why, I mean, Bobby, I've known Bobby. So, hey, Bobby, good to talk to you, buddy. I've known Bobby. I put Bobby on, never paid him anything. One of the reasons why I like to use Bobby I used him a couple of times is because he told you what he felt and there was no pay behind it but he's exactly right I mean you have a lot of these experts that come on and one of the frustrating parts of being a correspondent in the field and I can tell you this is across the networks

this isn't just Fox or CNBC or ABC or NBC they're all frustrated with this is that you'll be out in the field I'd be out in for, the Middle East or someplace covering something, and I've been there for how many days, and you got some expert who comes on who's sitting in a chair, either someone who used to be in government who's being paid to say exactly what Bobby says, either they were told what to say or they know the angle to say, or it's somebody who's, you know, looks good on the air that's never been overseas, again, other than the Sandals Resort, and they sit down, they start talking about Mideast policy, or they start talking about and i'm like what i'm here what do you talk that's not what happened i mean it's insane to me and bobby so bobby's

exactly right so as a correspondent one of the reasons why i left was we were doing one one report a day uh you'd be on a story and it's like well that doesn't help right what are we here for then and a lot of times it'd be superseded by somebody sitting in a chair in dc or new york who has no idea what they're talking about other than they're going to spew an opinion to follow a certain line so and um it's so adam adam i i i've seen the exact same phenomenon in any medical topic that the news ever covers it's done it completely distorted completely off base does not does not get anywhere near the truth. And I think this is all something called Gelman amnesia.

Bobby, Adam, you guys know what Gelman amnesia is? I do not. Gelman amnesia is a term of your Wikipedia. It's a famous physicist that when he'd read the paper and the paper would be covering physics, he'd go, my God, they've got this so wrong. Why do they always get physics wrong? And then he'd go read the rest of the paper and forget that his expertise was not well represented, but he assumed everything else was. So complex things like politics and international relationships, he assumed that was being truthfully represented, which of course it is not. And I think now we all know that.

The question is, let's the three of us here talk about how to solve that how do we solve it other than there being like a bbc and by the way the bbc has been a loft base lately too i watch a lot of them hoping that they'll give me the truth but what how do we how do we find go ahead adam i said the problem with the b but i watch the b as well is that the b also has a political bent when it comes to the Middle East. I mean, where you sit on Israel, but they obviously have a very strong view on Israel, and that's just a fact. I think the frustration is, and Bobby's been on all the networks as a guest. I can tell you as a correspondent who worked at Fox for 17 years nationally

and with all the other networks at some point or point or another called and offered me a job. And some have even recently. So I've been in a lot of their newsrooms. I've been around in the field with all their correspondents. The frustration, I think what happens is there hasn't been enough Americans to stand up and say, OK, enough, enough. We need that. I think that's on Bobby's head. We need that barking. Yeah, we need that dog to stand up. Get your Bob out there to stand up and help us in this country.

That's an FBI. Americans have to demand it. I mean, I knew we were in trouble when I was supposed to go cover the death of Nelson Mandela. And for six months prior to we knew he was in a very difficult situation. We had other stories lined up. So it wasn't just going to be a $25,000 trip or whatever it was gonna cost. I was gonna do some other stuff after after we covered that. And it went away because of money. And there was never a decision like that before. I mean, my first 810 whatever years at Fox, it was like, Oh, something's happening there go. There was never

a thought process of Oh, well, is it going to cost us an extra $5,000? We can actually just put Joe Smith in a chair in Washington, DC, let them talk about it. And I think that's we've got away from being there. It's all about opinion. Opinion is cheap. It's easy. It's lazy. And it's been it draws a certain crowd, but that crowds getting older and older and older. And I don't know what it's going to take dr drew but somebody has got to step up and say no we're going to do it right it's going to happen i i think as i'm sitting here thinking out loud and bobby i'll let you ring in on this

but it occurs to me a long form interviews say what you will about joe rogan put somebody else in that driver's seat if you want somebody you like that's fine long form interview a b freedom of speech so we can actually see what's what people are thinking bobby what do you say yep you know i agree wholeheartedly with that dr drew i i have kind of issued the going on these to these two or three minute interviews because it just doesn't give me the opportunity to to expound on things and and often things are much more nuanced um than they appear and i need that time so i'm on for example twice a week now on court tv i get 30 minutes each time on tuesday and thursday 6 to 6 30 i get 30 minutes to talk so you know you know these these two or three you know and it happens all the time to me last week and this is how it it this is how it manifests. I get called for an appearance.

Yes, I'll do it. Hey, the producer gets on and says, hey, send me some of your your thoughts on this. You're talking points on that. I send that. And then, you know, they either like it. I say with appearance or I get like I did last week on Fox. I get you know what? We're going to go in a different direction. We'll use you next time. Of course. I just went through that yesterday. But I, by the way, am highly trained to get things down to a little nugget where I feel like it's worthwhile for me to get in there, at least deliver that nugget. But I never delude myself that I'm going to cover the topic ever, ever, ever. And I'm also a guy that has somewhat, yeah,

I get moderate views. I will admit that. And sometimes they're not extreme enough in one direction or the other for a lot of people. And that's just the way my mind works. I balance things. And I, and sometimes that's frustrating to producers and, and sometimes hosts and stuff. And, and they want, you know, they want you, they want a barking dog and I'm not that far.

Are there former FBI agents who will be that barking dog, but that's just not. Just think about it. The, the, the good. I'll let you fill us in in a second at it, but I want people to think about the fact that the, the hosts want the controversial guests because they need the ratings to

keep their expensive job. The producer is a 23 year old-old, or at most a 27-year-old, who has his or her first job. And they want to look good to the up-the-ups by getting ratings. They don't care about the truth. But go ahead, Adam. No, you're exactly right. I was going to say that a lot of the producers, and a lot of times it's just who's available available the quickest and easiest and so sometimes that yeah, it won't go down the rolodex to further down They'll stay at that first little chunk of the rolodex is up that person keeps coming on and saying what we want It's an easy call because they got to make five calls. They get five guests in an hour They don't have time to wait for someone to call back and find out studio time. They already know that kind of thing

That's the first thing and and for me the second thing I think that for and Bobby can also probably talk this as well. Leaving leaving my industry and still being in it a little bit, I can tell you that it's restored my faith in humanity because having a tasting room. And I only mention that for this is because people come in from all walks of life. And the majority of us are like what Bobby and you just said. The majority was our issue oriented people. We're going to agree on 90 to 95 percent of everything whether you say a Republican or a Democrat The problem is the news media and I'm not gonna hear bass But at national news media continues to find the extreme and the extreme especially on the right side because it's what stirs people up It's easy. It's cheap and Bobby doesn't always say those things to stir people up he says maybe what is correct but it's not controversial enough yeah yeah no i i know i i know but but and that's fine if we want to have entertainment opinion shows but the same people that are

creating that programming stand up and talk about their journalistic integrity. And now they're there to protect. They're the fifth state, whatever, fourth state, whatever. And it's just that now you're insulting. Now it's disgusting. Now it's truly disgusting what you're saying. Because if people buy that, now I'm very worried about this. Opinion, fine.

Have an opinion show. That's okay. Whatever. But to claim that you're doing something else is where I really have a problem. Yeah, I don't see. I think that the only place I find topics covered in the old-fashioned way is my local 6 o'clock news and the local markets who are there just to cover local stories. And you do get that old-fashioned, here's the fact, and this is what happened today in our city, and that's it. But as far as the bigger issues and the national coverage, you're just not getting that. Yeah, that's right.

I think it is—go ahead, Adam. I'm sorry for the delay. The only problem with local news has is—and you're exactly right. I watch local news. I don't watch national news at all. The only problem they have is they're having to turn around a four o'clock story a five o'clock story a six o'clock story so they are doing the best they can but for the local crews it's usually a reporter and a photographer that's it unless you're in certain parts of the bay area

or the city where you have to have a security guard but it's usually just a reporter photographer and they're having to turn something around in an hour or two so they're doing the best they can but then you lose the use they use the aspect of actually truly finding out the depth of the story so local news has a different challenge than national news has but at least they're trying national news doesn't even care they they're right they are trying to report the investigative reporting if they get some funding for that they'll do it kind of thing i i i think it is sort of the golden age of in a way of local news because i i would agree with both you guys i i watch it and i get information i get things i can rely on i can see in the stories and uh but i do think that that the social media and

the apps the citizens apps you know this is changing the whole nature of things i mean you literally can get the news from your local region on an app. I mean, the actual, actual information. And so I don't know, I don't know how this is going to play out, but, but I do hope that people have had enough of this. I really do. Bobby, I'm going to put you back in the audience. It's good to hear from you. Thank you. Well, hopefully we'll see you soon. All right. Thank you. Great hearing from both you guys. Thanks. Susan, something's. Thank you. There we go. To the rescue.

You're saying. Okay, I'll sing. Don't make me sing. Okay, here we go. Don't make me sing. It's weird. I get that. My wife can sing.

I can't. I know. I know. I just thought about her. Okay. We're going to talk to gravitation beam. I don't know what the name is on that, but there about her. Okay, we're going to talk to Gravitation Beam. I don't know what the name is on that, but there you are. Gavin, what's going on?

Gavin? Hold on a second, Gavin. We don't really hear you there. Hold on. I hear him talking, but can you... Yeah, he's got a... Gavin, is there a way you can... You may be away from your phone microphone or something, or maybe there's a Bluetooth that's on because you sound like you're a million miles off in the distance. Yeah, we can't quite hear that.

I'm going to put him back in the audience for a second. All right, let me get one more. Sorry, Gavin, we just could barely hear your voice. We had no idea what you were saying. Josh, what's going on? Hey, Dr. Drew. Can you hear me? Yep. Okay. Yeah. So I wanted just to talk about conspiracy theories in general from a psychological

point of view. They seem to be something that we cling to when we're feeling pain, but that seems very sort of basic. And I was wondering what your thoughts were on that, because it helps the discussion, I think, to not say you're a conspiracy theorist, but just to talk about that these things do exist and they are a refuge from emotional pain, frankly. And we're all feeling emotional pain. Yeah, I completely agree with you. So, Adam, I don't know if you have an opinion about this, but I feel very strongly that conspiracy theory is a response to pain,

but it's mostly pain caused by fear and the way our brains work. We are meaning-making machines. That's what we are. That's how the frontal lobes function. We have all this other stuff going on, and the frontal lobes are interpreting it all the time. Especially out in the world when we have fear and we can't understand what is going on, we will force some structure and meaning into it. Certain personality styles and certain obsessional type structures in our cognition,

move people towards conspiracy type thinking. What are your thoughts on that, Adam? Yeah, I mean, what about my question? I want to follow up with a question to you on that too. A situation where we were mostly shut in and out for the last two years, then you add to it a lot of the misinformation that's been coming out there. So if you're someone who believes a certain way, and you've been told that, you know, the Russia, Russia, Russia, or whatever, whatever you happen to believe in, it doesn't matter. And all of a sudden that becomes, hey, you were called a conspiracy theorist for tough reporting on that. And now all of a sudden, you're not.

Oh, what's that do? I mean, wouldn't that drive I would assume that would drive even more conspiracy theory and those who might be on the verge, right? It just common sense to me is what they think. I'm not a doctor. No, no, exactly right. So people then don't know where to go to get information they can rely on to make sense of these things that are frightening them. And when you are inconsistent, think about dealing with, and I'm not belittling people by saying this this it's just weird how humans are think about how you deal with a child if you are inconsistent man that child

doesn't know what to do that child that child's behavior goes all over the place and the child as an adult may start thinking strange things if you are inconsistent and irrational and scary well you're going to be suspect and And if I'm already trying to make sense of things and I can't, and there's a sort of an evolving structure I'm seeing, I might put you into that structure in some way or have you hiding that you're part of this in the sense that you're hiding the structure, whatever it is. It's just how people's minds work. It's very frustrating i i don't like dealing with paranoia myself it's my own personality quirk i don't like not being able to

reason with people the problem with paranoid and delusions and conspiracies no matter what you tell somebody about the facts they will find a way to what wrap it into their delusion it's very frustrating they they'll go oh yeah sure you can say x but the reality is the reason you're saying x is you don't understand that y and z is going on and if you knew y and z you would say x and of course you're saying x it whatever it is it just becomes distorted and and i i would urge people it's a guy i i interview, but I'll probably bring him out here. I interview him on my podcast, Dr. Drew podcast, called Gleb Sabersky. And he's a cognitive psychologist. And he just keeps writing about all these distortions that are just

running amok with all of us these days. And I would urge everybody, and I'm not saying you shouldn't be thoughtful and logical. What I'm saying is you shouldn't trust your thinking. You should always assume you have a bias. You should always assume there may be some inconsistency or problems in your thinking and constantly reevaluate your thinking. Because thinking is often the enemy. I do this adamant addiction all the time. People's thinking is what gets them back to relapse. It's the enemy. It's the problem. And for instance, I have a positive bias. That's one of my cognitive biases. So I tend to think positively about outcomes and that biases the things I say. Uh, and I can't get over it. I can't, I, I, and I'm, I'm a little mystified by people that have a negative bias. I don't, I don't see

what that gets you. It doesn't, it doesn't help you to have a negative bias, but as a, as this cognitive psychologist I've been discussing said to me, he goes, look, when we were in the environment of evolutionary adaptedness in the caves, uh, there was somebody who stayed in the environment of evolutionary adaptedness in the caves. There was somebody who stayed in the cave by the fire and took care of the kids while you with the positive bias decided you could go out and get a mammoth because you were hungry because you felt like you could do that. We need both. We need both positive and negative biases in our population. But none of us should just go with those biases and assume they're accurate.

Always, always second guess yourself. Always think things through again. I don't know if you have to do that yourself, Adam. You seem pretty grounded in your logical thought. Well, you know, you get challenged all the time. That's just life. Whether you believe in God or you believe in a tree, you're going to be challenged. And those, I do, I think side on your side, I side i'm more of a on the positive i try to find the positive

outcome on most things even in some of the most crazy situations it just it's kind of who i am i i don't i you know there there's all this you know there's a whole science of uh positive psychology and how and positive mental attitude and all positive thinking and the secret and all this. That's all positive stuff. And it looks like, generally speaking, humans benefit from that kind of positive thinking, even in very difficult situations. And even when that positive bias may cause you to predict the wrong outcome, having a positive bias generally is good for our mental health.

I should tell you on that. Susan, is there more you want to hear from Adam? I'm going to wrap things up here. We are running out of time. He's been very generous with the time. He's got to run and coach some soccer. He's got to go beat that. I appreciate you guys having me on.

I know. It's a lot of fun. You've got to get a nap and have some wine for crying out. Yes, we want to come. We'll be up there. Trust me. Say it a second time. We'll be up there sooner than you maybe want. We'll solve the world's problems. Yes, over a glass of wine.

That's how you do it. And how fun that we got Bobby Chacon in here on the same day. That's fantastic. That's crazy. It's crazy. We got our system to work today, so thank God. All right, Adam Housley, everybody. Adam Housley and Adam, hopefully we'll talk soon.

Sounds good, guys. Thank you. I really appreciate it. You got it. And Susan, we will kind of wrap things up here. We got to go to dinner. We're three hours later in New York right now. Like I said, Wheel of Fortune is on the road.

We're not in Orlando. We're not in Hawaii. We're in New York. I know that was confusing, so I'm glad Susan brought that up because people didn't know what I was talking about. Yeah. I know. I'm not catching all the nuances of life.

Well, maybe it's just I'm not being clear. I think that's what I'm saying. No, I just, I don't know. Okay, I'm looking at you guys on Restream. You know everything. To see if, okay, Iggy Pop says, Fukuyama argues that conspiracies

and unhealthy myths flourish when societal trust breaks down yeah when people are scared and they don't know who to trust that's exactly what happens um okay sonner uh i don't know where you're going i saw that i don't know where you're going with these things but but they're way off me so you have have fun i hope you hope it's amusing everybody else i thought thought Tom Cigar would be in there with a hammer, but okay. No, he's over on Twitch now. Are we going to Mark's restaurant? No, Leopold.

Does Mark have a restaurant here? I don't think he has a restaurant in New York. No? No. He has a restaurant in Los Angeles. Yeah. He's got one in the Hamptons in his hotel. Yes.

Yes. It's in Long Island. That's pretty good, too. It's a long way from here. His son was cooking here. We're going in the hood. We're going in the hood. Oh, the hood.

Okay. So let's wrap everything up. Caleb, thank you for manning the ship today and for getting us technically going at a distance here. Happy 420. Happy 420, Colin Robinson. Susan is a fan of what we do in the shadows as well. So talking to Colin Robinson is especially appealing to us. And when are they coming out with the new season, by the way?

Yeah, that would be good. Let's see. That was Drew's favorite. Oh, so good. Next to 90 Day Fiance. I think 90 Day Fiance comes in second to that one. Yeah, no, no, no. 90 Day Fiance was a symptom of how

bad covid was i still think of it that way i'm wondering when i'm going to get off of it oh the ukraine special though made me cry you have to see that yes and because i am ukrainian descent and my family escaped the whole of no more at the turn of the 20th century it's intriguing for me to see all the ukrainians actually wanted to get the ukrainian people on the show but then they're still trying well they didn't let us we we understand they wanted to do their special and well now they can promote this it's you know it's kind of treacherous those of you that um oh jeanette loves you 90 day fiance too we'll tell her we're trying to get viara and um natalie to talk about what their families are up to and susan particularly wants to hear about natalie's mom which is very upsetting yeah she got out

she got out but she's in bulgaria i thought it was pulling the other one she interviewed her in poland and at the end they said now she's in bulgaria waiting for something her family yeah so 90 day fiance 90 day fiance the other way shanghai for a shanghai episode that is very funny but there's some chinese there weren't chinese when there was one korean guy i know but come on uh thank you ts uh they liked me on trash tuesday uh nobody wants to go to china i don't know yeah so okay let's uh it up. And we're not in here tomorrow. We are not in here Tuesday, Wednesday, next week. We'll be here Friday of next week.

So a week from Friday at 4 o'clock, a little bit later than usual. And then we'll get back to our usual schedule the following week. Caleb's leaving the baby and he's taking a vacation. I know. Caleb is going to try to, when you have a baby. Wean off the breast.

You have to focus on the partner because the baby takes all the energy you're gonna have to wean on the breast kayla it's it's been it's been a pain painful the past two days thinking about leaving him it's a lot more than i thought well wait you see what happens either either when you get her on the plane and get her out of there she's gonna be greatly relieved or in a total panic oh no no i'm talking about me i'm not talking about her she's no, she's going to be greatly relieved or in a total panic. Oh, no, no. I'm talking about me. I'm not talking about her. She's fine. No, I know you're going to be a mess.

I don't care. I'm not worried about you. The mom is what I worry about. I'm going to miss him. The moms feel it different. The moms feel it more. Yeah. But when you get back, it'll be interesting because the baby may push away

and it'll freak you out because they want to kill the breast. Yeah. They can't. It's hard for them to get angry. Your dog will start shitting everywhere if you go out of town. The babies do the same thing. It's a little bit different kind of thing. You better not.

And speaking of that, by the way, Caleb, did you hear Johnny Depp's testimony today? I've been watching bits and pieces of it while I was packing. Yeah. What are your thoughts? Don't drag me i don't know because because it's oj simpson all over again it's yeah i mean it's it is and he's talking about her shitting on the bed and stuff yeah crazy stuff yeah i mean they had a very tumultuous relationship but yeah yeah, I think he's going to have, we'll see. It's, it does. It seems like they both had problems and I,

but I also see they're both very highly motivated to win this. Like that's like a hundred million dollars on the line for something this large and careers and everything. I, you know, I've seen evidence that that was on the line in the past. Like she lied. Didn't they say she lied about the uh donating some of the stuff

and she didn't donate the money like the alimony that she got or like something that she won in a lawsuit and so when things like that start happening then i start getting more suspicious you know whenever they're right whenever there's sex and tape and people shitting on beds and lots of television well there's drugs involved you don't think we would have been all over that at HLN? Oh, my God. Right. I'm sure they both made big mistakes, but it seems like, you know. Maybe we should start a little podcast reviewing the day's court events. Oh, my gosh. But I can't believe that we do that to people. We can reassemble our usual HLN team.

You know, it's not really fair. It doesn't seem fair to do that. Well, the sunshine laws. You can put cameras in courtrooms in certain states, not in every god california of course yeah so all right everybody we will see i don't know i feel sorry for both of them i hate to see things like yeah exactly i agree season and then especially when there's large amount of money that it sometimes is worse you know i think that's yeah i think that's exactly right i don't know't know. But when you listen to him talking about his drug addiction and everything that he did and what he felt, I don't know.

My heart just breaks. It's like, oh, he was such a huge celebrity, and he had everything going for him. And he got a common problem. And I like the way he talks about it. He just says, look, i don't like being a celebrity i was a normal guy with normal jobs right there his esteem goes up in my eyes he needs to team up with russell i don't know that johnny is that he's not no because because russell

russell's recovery is farther much farther along and johnny will get himself in trouble talking too much about his well-being he's still struggling it seems to me and i don't know i don't know him i don't think about it but i i suspect and i wish him the best and it looks like he's doing fine right now and hopefully he'll continue to do fine but but russell brand is a long he has a real recovery going on yeah and it's you know i want him to talk but he was the same way i mean he was married he was the same way and then he was but it's i don't know i just it was weird to see him just speaking in his own normal voice he reminded me of what was the old actor that um was in street car named desire like um brando brando he reminded me of brando the way he was talking mumbling and stuff and some of the things he said, I loved his choice of words.

I'm just like, wow, I didn't know that's how he spoke. You also see why he is so effective on screen. Do you get my sense? Yeah. You want to watch him. You can't not watch him. But he's more intense. And some people are just that way.

You want to watch them, and they're interesting. And I don't know what, no one has ever, somebody, if anybody out there knows what that is, I'd like to interview you. Because that has, people have theorized about that for a long time. But I don't think anybody's ever actually figured out what that thing is that makes other humans want to watch you. Whether he's on a witness stand with a pirate outfit on, they want to watch him, or a Willy Wonka outfit on.

He's well- well read you can tell like he some of his smart is part of it smart is part of it eloquent is part of it but there was way more going on way more i was i was watching with that in mind i was thinking what why do i but i mean this guy and i understand him being in front of the camera but if you just look at her face like you you can see her real emotions like he, he's acting the whole time too. So maybe, and it's like, why did they put the cameras in front of him like that? Like, it's, it's just, it's not going to fare well. It's, you know, it's like, he's wanted his day in court and he got it. I mean, that's what he wanted. He wants it.

Right. I mean, it might help him too. Well, no, I think, look, I, you know, we watched some commentary on it and somebody said, you somebody said he clearly had a lot on his mind. I thought, yeah, he wanted to get this all out. He wants to have his day in court, and he got it. Look, when it comes to people printing bullshit, I'm very supportive of people taking legal action for nonsense. If it really is bullshit, I'm behind you. Because it's gotten way, way out of hand

where people can say anything they want about people, regardless of the consequences. That is not right. Well, it kind of reminds me of celebrity rehab too because it's like they have to do everything truthful and talk about everything they did that screwed up their marriage. That's treatment.

That's what treatment is. And what they, yeah. Do it with your peers. But maybe, yeah. I don't know. Maybe it'll work out. Leopold, that's a good point. But Leopold says the court is for the rich.

But at least the rich people are doing it, and then others can benefit from the case law, perhaps, or at least the experience. God, how rich was he? What was he worth? $650 million, I heard. Oh, wow. Yeah, so he can afford to.

Well, he's all in a crazy move. He did some great movies. Oh, yeah, the libs of. And then he changed his Winona tattoo to wino the libs of uh tick tock thing that was actually funny yeah yeah his his uh he's changed his um tattoo from winona weiner to wino forever forever winona forever winona forever wino there you go and he laughed about it no i mean it was funny he is funny you know it's i i don't know him and i wish him the best and i do know a lot of people that know him i know doug stanhope who we love and doug loves johnny depp and so you

know i hope i mean i'll call doug and see what he thinks cancel culture doesn't come down hard on him yeah well they're trying to make it about male um domestic abuse right right and about people and somehow it's going to if she loses somebody's going to make it that oh man got the better of this a white female does not get to win in court i don't know that he's going to win um i don't know if that would be the reason he would win maybe the facts speak for themselves and that's why he wins um the the two of them have a lot of stuff going on and when both people are sick shit goes down yes and i hate to see one person taking sort of umbrage with the other. Because trust me, they both. And then there were the mushrooms. And then there were the pot.

Yeah, shit goes down. And it's never good. It's a lot of, there's always craziness. And so craziness went down. I mean, I don't know the backstory. I think what he's taking issue is that she wrote about it in the paper and made it all his problem. So now he's making it all her problem. And neither is the truth, ladies and gentlemen.

It is both of their problem. All right, so we will leave it at that prove that the other one's more crazy i i don't know what they're doing i wouldn't do it in front of a camera all right i would lose yep see because one of you is really good in front of the camera and the other one isn't it's you're not gonna win we haven't seen her yet i bet she's good i well she's another person people like to watch there's going to be something compelling there uh all right everybody thank you so much for being here we'll see you in about seven eight days we're not selling ads or

anything for this this court thing no no no we just caught our attention and we we're we're winding we're rolling to a halt everybody but now we have to see how the press takes little clips of it and sensationalizes it so unless you watch the whole thing from beginning to end like a juror you you really can't you know we shouldn't even like watch the the clips because they're going to sensationalize whatever he says and uh yes colin robinson frank did shit the bed and it's always funny in Philadelphia and charlie didn't like it. That's an appropriate way to end, isn't it? And on that note, on that note, I got Susan.

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