Ask Dr. Drew - “I Kept RFK Out Of The West Wing”: Trump Advisor Katy Talento Confesses In Explosive White House Exposé Of DC Vaccine Cult – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 618

Episode Date: May 8, 2026

In a viral confession, Katy Talento — President Trump’s former health advisor — revealed her role in keeping Robert F. Kennedy Jr. away from the White House, saying it was her job to “make this problem go away.” “I was a Harvard-trained infectious disease epidemiologist. I believed, religiously, that vaccines were the gold standard of public health interventions,” writes Talento. “Not because I had been shown the evidence for their effectiveness and safety in public health school… but because I had been trained in the orthodoxy of public health, where it was assumed that someone had studied this and it had been demonstrated at some point – so now we could all focus on more pressing matters, like how to get vaccines in more kids’ arms around the world.” But slowly, she began to feel suspicious – and her research led her to switch sides. “[S]omething happened in late summer of 2021 – a set of legal contortions between Big Pharma and the FDA that started to make everything painfully clear,” she says in a May 2026 public apology to RFK for her part in keeping him away from the White House. In This Episode: Katy Talento joins Dr. Drew to expose the inner workings of the White House Domestic Policy Council, the DC establishment’s efforts to sabotage RFK, and why she no longer trusts the medical consensus. A&E’s Flash Shelton explains his unconventional strategies for helping homeowners take back their properties from squatters nationwide. Flash Shelton is the host of A&E’s docu-series “Squatters,” which premieres with back-to-back episodes starting Tuesday, May 12th at 10pm and 10:30pm ET/PT. Shelton’s journey began in 2019 when squatters took over his mother’s vacant home in Northern California. After navigating the eviction process himself, he has gone on to help property owners nationwide in more than 100 cases. Learn more at https://www.aetv.com/ Katy Talento is a licensed health benefits consultant, epidemiologist, and health care reformer. As the top health advisor at the White House Domestic Policy Council, she spearheaded policies on health care pricing, prescription drugs, and the opioid crisis. She earned her graduate degree in Epidemiology from Harvard School of Public Health. She is CEO of AllBetter Health. Follow at https://x.com/katytalento 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • STRONG CELL – If you want to feel more like your younger self, go to https://strongcell.com/ and use code DREW for 20% off. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, let's get into it today. Katie Thelento joins me in a few minutes. She is White House Health Policy Advisor. She's a Harvard train epidemiologist who during the first, she wrote an article recently about her experience during the first Trump administration where her job was to make a problem go away. That problem was essentially RFK Jr., which is a fascinating turn of events. I'm curious to hear how she saw him then and how she thinks about him now and how we should approach these policy issues. And what was going on, in the White House back then. It was called Confessions of a White House public health priestess. There she is with President Trump back in, I think, 2017, 18. This should be very interesting because essentially, I think what she's admitting to is having represented her to the swamp. Not that she was part of the swamp so much as she was doing the bidding of that period of history that ended up with some serious consequences. But she now has different insights and has a different way of looking at these things.

Let's see. Let me get one last little spit of data on her. Oh, in January of 2022, Katie wrote Mr. Kennedy, a contrite email confessing my sins, hoping for absolution. I started questioning many of my public health, Shibbles. See, this is why I'm so interested in talking to Katie, because I think public health, by Shibolese, we're talking about sort of empty slogans.

And public health is filled with that, even its founding assumptions, which I think are not wrong so much as have gone too far. Talked Katie in a few minutes. First, though, we're going to talk to Flash Shelton. He's the host of A&E squatters, which I watched the trailer of the show, and I felt empowered just watching him at work. Essentially, Shelton's Flash's story is his mom's property got squatted, and he was told he couldn't do anything about it. Welcome to California.

Welcome to L.A. County. and so he learned the laws inside and out, so he's going to give us a little primer on how that works, what the laws are that allow people to take over your property, how that works. And what he does in response to it, and let's just say the responses, his methodologies are founded in the law,

but are not what you call routine. So we have Flash Shelton, Katie Tolento after a few minutes. We're back with Flash right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this guy. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin, ridiculous.

I'm a doctor for a . I say, where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat.

You have trouble, you can't stop, and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. All right. You can watch this show, and I suggest you do on the A&E app, AETV.com.

Also on X, you can follow on AETV. Flash. Welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. How are you doing? I'm good. So we have here that it's playing on their sort of website. Is it also on the network, on TV?

Yes, it is. Yes, it'll be... Do we have an air date or a tune-in? Yeah, we're looking at May 12th, 10 p.m. and 10.30 p.m. Eastern Standard. Right. Perfect. So tell us what happened to you and how you went down this path. The trailer is so compelling. Well, you know, long story short, 2019 after my dad passed away, I moved my mom. mom in with me to sell her home. And while it was being, you know, going through the process of selling a group of squatters, seven squatters moved in, broke in the back door. I was told that a

U-haul truck pulled in the driveway. And so I did what everyone is told to do. I called the sheriff. They told me that the back door was broken in. They verified it, but said there was a house full of furniture, so it was a civil matter, and I had squatters. And there was nothing. Stop right there. What do you mean just because they're a furniture? It's a civil matter. How does that work?

Yeah, so I had told them that the house was vacant. We were selling it. And so the deputy said, well, you told me it was vacant. Now there's furniture. Basically, they set reasonable doubt and a precedence for the civil matter. Oh, my God. So then you, what did you, give me the whole story. I mean, how you evolved into becoming, you're essentially an expert on this now.

So how did you get there? You know, it's interesting. Now I'm this expert in, you know, 2019, I knew nothing. And I just had to learn all about squatters, learn, you know, I hit the internet and spoke with attorneys and law enforcement and figured out that, you know, how to use the same system that they were using against them. I figured if they could take, if they could take a house, I could take a house. And I decided that I was going to go out, squat them. I had read that some squatters have fake leases. So I asked my mom to write me a lease. Now understand, I could not tell

her that her home was taken over. She was still distraught over the loss of her husband since high school. So I got a lease just in case because I wanted to be able to go their fake lease versus my real lease and it never got that far. So I learned all about the laws and I made the trip. It was about a 12 hour drive and, you know, I waited for them to leave. I made entrance, put up cameras, security and I gave them a choice to leave. And I had them out in less than a day. So, you know, that's interesting. So give us in broad strokes, is this L.A. County where this all went down or is it where you're doing most of the squatting interventions?

It was, it was not. It was in northern California and up, you know, way high north. Yeah. California still. Yeah. Yes. So give us in broad strokes what you've learned about the law of homeownership vis-a-vis squatting. Yeah.

You know, what I have found is that when you hear of, think of squatters, at least when I thought of squatters, it was back in like the 1800 times where people were taking over properties while they were, you know, traveling and setting up homes and they became squatters. But what I've learned is that today's squatters, most of them are not looking for home ownership. they're looking for free rent. And because the tenant laws are, there is no line between a squatter and a tenant. So squatters can easily take over tenant rights and therefore have to go through a long civil process. And what is it? Now we see it just, we just cut away from what I was looking at there, which is you with a chainsaw. Tell us what kind, there it is, what are these techniques that you have learned and which of them,

one of them are sort of applicable to the general public that might fall victim to this? You know, I mean, I never recommend that the general public do this on their own. First of all, the thing that makes me different than them is they are the actual homeowner doing this and self-help laws prevent them from doing anything to force their tenant out. So, you know, I being a third party, what might be considered harassment by the homeowner isn't necessarily harassment by me. Interesting. And again, what are the techniques we're looking at here? Is it just making their lives miserable or is it you moving in as a squatter? What is happening there? Yeah, you know, I think sometimes just taking their privacy away from them. They feel untouchable. You know, moving in on them. It's just the fact that I'm there is going to annoy them. But, you know, I can do certain things. I get a renovable. lease will do certain things like even pull a permit to be able to turn off utilities and

remove doors to replace them or, you know, anything that I need to do. Did you, did you pull permits in L.A. County? If you can figure out how to do that in less than two years, please tell the people in the palisades. Right, right. Yeah, you know, I have to treat every state, every county separately. I have to learn the laws. I'm doing this across the country and I'm consulting in other countries. So I have to learn a lot every single day. By the way, if anybody has any stories like this, we'd love to hear them.

It's 8333-3-D-R-E-W. We're still taking calls like we always do. And I don't see anything on the restream. people actually chiming in with their stories. Anything, any sort of without, I don't want you to give a spoiler to your television program, but were there any real big surprises for you in the course of this? You know, I think the fact that, you know, I mean, you know,

I've said I have to go into every situation totally, you know, learn about it, but I have to be open-minded also. I always want to take, you know, in consideration of who I'm dealing with, who I'm, you know, who I'm representing and be, you know, kind of unbiased because I, my family, we were homeless when I was a kid, so I can understand it be empathetic. But at the same time, you know, I can have empathy. But at the same time, you know, I have to remember that this is wrong. And I have to get the home back.

But I would say that the thing is, is just, you know, every day I learn there's a new situation. And then finding, like, through the process of the show, squatters that are actually making money off of these homes as well. And actually taking over a home and then, and then, you know, leasing it out or Airbnbing it out and, you know, making money off of someone else's, you know, home is. is something that's horrible. And, you know, I've run across that many times. You dropped a little something there that you, I think, expected me to move past, but I will not, which is you as a child were homeless yourself.

You're going to have to tell me that story. Yeah, we were homeless, you know, for a bit when I was a child. So I know what it's like to, you know, live in a vehicle. What does that mean, though? What happened? Were you guys living out of a van or a car? Were you couch surfing? What happened?

Yeah, we were living out of a van in a park. So as a child, I thought it was amazing. I could come, go out of my front door and on a playground. But, you know, I know what it's like to, you know, Christmas time, you know, show up at a church and be able to pick one present and, you know, go and, you know, eat, you know, peanut butter and jelly on a piece of wonder bread in a parking lot. you know so i i know what it's like to not have things get handy me and hand me down how what happened there what how did that happen what how long did that go on for how does she get it i assume it's your mom how does she get out of that yeah you know i i don't know how long it went on for i i don't i don't really know that um i know that you know that you know my dad struggled with you know

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But back then, you know, I don't remember any... kind of support, you know, that was available or, you know, and I was young, too. So, but, you know, it is something that we, we struggled with. But we overcame and we eventually, my parents were able to buy a home and, and, you know, and, you know, I use all of that as motivation, you know, to be a great parent, a great, you know, great father and a provider and, and, and also to help people and, you know, with what I'm doing today. Yeah. I mean, this is actually very helpful because you're a lot, I'm sure, a lot of people have, you know, stuff going on and they're not, they're avoiding managing

whatever issues that they're, they're rather than squatting. They should be doing what your mom, was your mom and dad both pulled themselves out together? Were you with one or the other? So this is the part I'm interested in how people get out of that because that needs to be modeled. Yeah. You know, it, my mom fortunately was the strongest person I knew like, you know, my entire life. And even when my dad was struggling, you know, my mom just, my mom had to go and work two, three jobs just to get us out of that. And, you know, and eventually my dad, you know, he pulled himself up as well. And later in life, everything was great for him. Good. That's good. I mean, he deserves that. It doesn't,

that's very much the point of all this. It doesn't, have to be that way. The sub, to enable homelessness is to perpetuate suffering, quite literally, or dangerous situations where people die. Well, one of the things that, you know, it helps me with and now doing a show, you know, the whole reason I do this show is not, you know, not just to, you know, have a TV show. I mean, this is, for me, it's because I can, you know, help squatters on YouTube, but this allows me to help more people for free.

And I think I'm the perfect person to do it because I can see both sides of it. And also, it's very, very important to me that we offer services to those who turn out to be homeless and not just squatters. Of course. Of course. I think that's, that's, yeah, it's amazing. Just so because we're trying to hook people on the show, what's the most extraordinary thing you had to do, again, without a spoiler? Yeah, you know, I think I have sometimes squatters avoid me. And I think the most, the craziest thing I've ever done was hide in a backyard for a couple hours,

in the dark by myself, behind bushes, waiting for a squatter to come home. This was in Culver City, California. you know, that was probably the craziest thing I've done. But, you know, we've got situations where we're dealing with drug dealers and we got people, you know, running and, you know, guns and drugs. And, you know, and for them, squatting isn't a crime in any state in America currently, but the other stuff they're doing is. So they don't want my exposure.

Well, it actually, yeah, Flash actually occurs to me that it's the kind of thing in this town that the gangs would get involved with, I bet. And so it is just not a, without its risks, what you're doing. You know, because people don't understand that the gangs take the social security checks from all the homeless people. They traffic the women. They make them traffic drugs. They provide them the drugs sometimes when they're using.

So it's a mess. And I'm guessing they get into the squad and game also. Well, they don't have a connection to the home. So if they, you know, if there's a rate on that home, the guy who doesn't want to be touched can't be connected to that home. So they will take over a home if there's any kind of easy opening. And I've seen that. And you're right. The drug game and the squatter game is commingled in many cases.

Well, it's because the homeless thing is commingled with the gangs in this city. And nobody talks about it. but there's an officer Dion, I suggest you all follow Deon on X, who spent years on the streets there and he's got it all. He knows all the players and he'll tell you, but nobody wants to listen. Well, good luck on the show. It squatters. It is on A&E, the 12th of May, 10 p.m. Eastern.

Caleb, you said Pacific also. Is it 10 p.m. Eastern 7 Pacific or 10 at both, you know? Honestly, that's what it says on the website. It says 10 p.m. and 10. Eastern and Pacific because of two back-to-back episodes so people can watch both of them, same night. Got it. Well, and Flash, thank you for your work, and I suspect this is not your last go-round at this season,

you know, with this program. It sounds like the kind of thing that will go on for a while. So do you have a whole team assembled? I do. I do have a team assembled for not only the TV show, but outside of TV, I've been creating a, I call it my squatter hunter army across the United States. Oh, that's, I see this being, I see this being around for a while. So good luck with it.

Thank you so much for joining us. All right. Thank you for having me. Take care now. Flash Shelton, everybody, on XAETV. And we're going to switch gears a little bit. We're going to talk a little maha. Oh, I got to go make a Frappuccino.

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So we are going to wait for the Framperino before I talk about our Paleo Valley friends and the, of course, bone broth, which I love. But you're going to see one of the extraordinary drinks that Susan makes with that product. All right, Caroline, I beg your pardon. Katie Tolento can be followed on X. Katie is spelled with a K-A-T-Y-T-L-E-N-T-O, K-A-T-L-E-N-O. Also, Katie Tolento.com. And also there is a substack, All Better, maybe.

Is that what the subtext is called? Katie, we have to tell us about it. Also, she's the White House Health Advisor, Epidemiologist, CEO of All Better Health. I think that's where the All Better Substack comes in. Katie, welcome and thank you for being here. Thank you, much. Thank you so much for having me, Dr. Drew. It's a pleasure.

So tell me about this evolution. It's absolutely fascinating to me. And to me, you know, changing our minds and moving from one, I want to say set of beliefs, from one opinion to another used to be called a virtue. And now all of a sudden people are just in these rigid boxes where they're not allowed to think, they're not allowed to move in terms of their thinking. And that is anathema to everything I was trained to do. So you're an example of someone who's moved from one position to another.

And so I love it. Yeah. Thank you so much. So I recently spoke out about a change of heart and change of mind, really, on sort of the public health orthodoxy. And I guess I've become a heretic, excommunicated from the public health cult. But I am an epidemiologist by training. And I spent most of my career working on infectious diseases and infectious disease control and then into Capitol Hill, where I worked for five different U.S. senators. And early in my career, I met with some moms who were asking questions about whether vaccines caused autism. And I didn't quite know what to do with them back then.

I was a young staffer, and I worked for a senator who was not going to want to get involved in that. And so, but they really got under my skin. And I never really forgot that because I always try to believe moms, you know. And so then when I later got to be much more experienced and Savvia Staffer, I moved into the White House and worked for President Trump on the Domestic Policy Council. And it was there that, you know, is sort of the subject of the story I wrote recently, where we found out that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. had gotten to then candidate Trump during the campaign or during transition right after the election and encouraged him to start a vaccine Safety Commission. And then after the election, of course, he comes in and he's calling and he wants a

meeting and he wants to start the commission, right? And it was my job to sort of make that problem go away. And so my story was really an apology to now Secretary Kennedy for having done that. I basically called up Dr. Fauci and Francis Collins over at the NIH and asked them to take the meeting far from the White House because back then I really thought that vaccine skepticism was, was dangerous to public health and that if we had an event or a commission or even a vaccine skeptic like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., that coming out of the White House and having that messaging out of the White House, that we would hurt children, that children could be harmed and these diseases could spread. And so I was, you know, sort of out of love, basically shunting Kennedy and some of his

colleagues, Del Bigtree and Aaron Siri, over to the NIH to have a meeting over there. And that meeting became a little bit famous with them. They've reported about it where Dr. Fowalci was, you know, promising a bunch of studies, the mountains of evidence about vaccines and, and autism, and he never produced them. And they sued and HHS settled with them at that time, admitting that there were no mountains of evidence and they didn't have any studies on this. And anyway, so all three of them, Del and Aaron and Mr. Kennedy have talked about that meeting. But since then, I kind of got radicalized during COVID. You know, I woke up like so many in the medical system, the healthcare establishment, as you know, and I started really questioning things and seeing some of the

unscientific measures against COVID. Thankfully, I left the White House before COVID. So I wasn't part of the COVID response. Thank God. I have enough on my conscience. But you know, I had to defend it. I was working with the Trump reelect campaign in 2020, and I was defending the response, even as that cognitive dissonance was growing and growing in me. And then later, about a year later, when the Biden team was in and they were, you know, doing these vaccine approvals with the FDA. I saw some legal shenanigans and some bait and switch with the FDA approval that was really designed to protect Pfizer and protect the vaccine. manufacturers from lawsuits in case anyone was injured, which of course they were. And after that, I really was, I was done. I was done with the public health establishment. And I started listening to

Bobby Kennedy's podcast and I read his book and I watched this documentary called Vaxed, made by Del Bigtree. And I really went all the way down all the rabbit trails. And I wrote an email in early 22 to Mr. Kennedy apologizing for having kept him out of the White House and for, for been a gatekeeper. And, you know, all staffers have to be gatekeepers. That's our job. And we do it. We make those kinds of decisions 20, 30 times a day. We don't always get them right. And that was a situation where I didn't get that one right. I'm sure he was gracious, though, in accepting your apology. I mean, as I know him, right? And sort of more, I imagine he is more welcome aboard than anything else. Yeah, he was wonderful at the time in private. And then since

My story has been made public. He was gracious and wonderful publicly. And I'm very grateful for that. Very grateful. So let's talk about the public health orthodoxy. Let me first ask, before we sort of crack that, I don't know what to call it even. But here you are, you're Harvard trained epidemiologist and one of the sort of, you know, highly regarded, highly published professors of medicine. epidemiology, J. Bodacharya puts out a sensible physician paper.

Were you still around? I guess it was before COVID that you left, but you must have seen that. Did you have any thoughts about how he was treated at that time? Of course. I mean, I think you can always tell who the bad guys in the story are based on who's censoring. So if you're censoring people trying to make them shut up, you clearly haven't won the argument. So I definitely saw that. And I saw the declaration that they put out. And it seemed completely reasonable. You know, I was part of some activists in Loudoun County, Virginia that were protesting school closures and lockdowns and turned into kind of apparent resistance out there. But, you know, it was obvious to me that these anti-COVID measures were insane.

They were not based on epidemiological principles. They had no tolerance for natural immunity. And they didn't recognize differential risk between the elderly and school. children, it was, it was all crazy. Right. Crazy. And so, and so what did you assume was going on? I mean, you said you had contact with Francis Collins. I mean, to me, some of the things he has said publicly about his lack of willingness to pay any attention to risk reward or any risk other than stopping the virus was just astonishingly evil, in my opinion. And certainly not the practice of medicine. But did you have any thought about, were you thinking that way too at the time? Or did you

hear him say those things subsequently and have the same reaction I did? I mean, I was never close with Francis Collins. I didn't talk to him very much. I've only spoken to Fauci, you know, a few times over my career. But Deborah Birx, I was pretty close to. And she was running the COVID response in the White House. And I, at the beginning, you know, in March, March of 2020, I published an article saying, hey, this is new global pandemic is kicking off. And thank God that the president has appointed Debbie Birx to run things because she's going to lead us all to the promised land. You know, I really trusted her and I trusted the public health enterprise that we could

handle this. And I was on TV, you know, defending it. But it really wasn't that many months after that that the lockdowns seemed unmatched to the epidemiological fact pattern and, you know, the masking was insane. I mean, masks, as you know, are to catch like snot from a surgeon from going in the surgical wound. You know, they're not designed to stop the virus particles. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And then the six-foot distancing was just so random and so out of the blue and made no sense. And indeed, it was random and out of the blue and nonsensical. That's exactly what it was, even when conceived of by the people who,

that brought it to us. But, you know, Burke to me represented this one group of physician that I've seen over and over again bring harm to public. Okay? And it is the evangelist physician. The evangelist physician in pain management that brought us the opioid crisis. They were going to make sure no one in America ever experienced pain. You can go all the way back to, I'm blanking on the name of the American psychiatrist

who advocated the frontal lobotomies at the bedside. He was an absolute evangelist. And these evangelizing physicians who believe they're wearing a white hat and are saving the world from fill in the blank illness have profound potential to do harm every time. And just, you know, it's the same playbook. And what they inevitably do, go to the professional societies, get the support of the professional societies,

get the state boards on board, get the veterans administration on board, get the local public health officials going, and now you're done. And then you get the insurance companies in the hospitals, and it's over. And there's nothing scientific about any of that. There's nothing clinical about any of it. There's nothing epidemiological at any of it. It is literally evangelizing. You're Martin Luther.

You're not a scientist. Yeah, that's why I call it a religious cult. I mean, it really is the white coat religious cult that you're talking about. I think about Dr. Ansel Keys, who taught the world that, you know, saturated fat was to blame and causing obesity and heart disease when, as we know, it's the sugar and the carbs. So, you know, I think that you're exactly right. And it's unusual for me to be even talking to a host like you who's so familiar, so sophisticated about how that process works and the mechanics of this lie, how the public health lie gets around the world. But that's really how it's done. The reason it's so vivid for me is I was fighting the opioid pandemic from the moment it started.

And I was punished and I was sanctioned. And I just watched it play out. And I saw what they were doing. And I knew how bad it was. And they were killing my patients by the hundreds, just killing them. And it goes down as, well, you shouldn't have tried to treat them in the first place kind of thing. Like you sent them to me because they were using multiple other drugs, not just the opiates. the time. It's a different story. But let's take a quick call here because the one thing,

I want to still more dig into the public health side of this because I think public health has run, and right now I'm going on about how my profession, my side of the profession has run a buck. But I think public health itself has some foundational, some principled problems associated with it. But let's get to that in a second. I have a caller. Her name is Janice. She wants to talk about the vaccine autism link. And full disclosure for me, I don't know. Maybe, I don't know, the right questions have been asked yet, but that's my opinion. But I'll let you talk to Janice.

Well, I just recently over the weekend, watched an inconvenient study. That was very interesting. But I was wondering if your guests could happen to know why the CDC suddenly and quietly decided to change the definition of a vaccine. Well, that's a great question. A sophisticated question. That's right. I mean, they had to change the definition of a vaccine, right? Because that's not what they were demanding out there for us to put in all our arms. It was more of like a gene therapy and a biologic product that is, you know, an MRNA delivery device. And that's really different from a vaccine. And also it wasn't preventing transmission. And, you know, if that's not what it's doing, then it can't really be subject to vaccine mandates, which is, you know, you know, know, there's a whole set of, there's a legal framework around vaccine mandates. And so you have to have a vaccine to mandate a vaccine.

But there's a legal framework, which they were toying with, obviously. And then there was the PEP Act and its role in all this. But more than anything else, there's a bioethical standard that has to be met for a mandate. And it just got nowhere near that bioethical standing, particularly for college age kids, which were institutions because they were protected by the PEP Act. were able to just demand that kids get in order to come to college. Disgusting. Yeah, that's exactly right.

And what's really horrible about it is you had the manufacturers going around the world threatening any country that didn't legally immunize them or indemnify them. They wouldn't sell their product in the country. So their immunity had to be protected at all costs. Perfect. So let's then flip over to the public health side. My understanding is that as a problem, principle, public health doesn't identify as its primary ethical stand.

I'm having trouble articulating this. There's a word for this, and it's not coming to me, but its ultimate credo is do no harm in medicine, and that public health does not particularly have that. Well, when I was first in my first infectious disease epidemiology class, My professor said, you know, we don't ascribe to the do-no-harm philosophy. We ascribe to the cosno-epidemics philosophy. So I do think that it's important to cause no epidemics. And if you're going to cause an epidemic of, say, myocarditis, you haven't really done your job.

I'm very concerned about people from varying disciplines becoming public health officials without any mandate to not hurt people. Because if they are given the privilege to undo our basic civil liberties, which I understand there's a wrinkle in the constitutions that gives them that authority, who's to say how much harm they can do to how many people before they've achieved their ends? Well, that's true. But I mean, even in medical schools, they're no longer taking the oath. anymore to do the Hippocratic Oath.

And even if they do, Dr. Drew, I mean, you started off this conversation talking about the evangelistic MDs, right? So having the white coat is no guarantee that you're not going to cause harm, unfortunately. I'll grant you that. But I am sort of looking at, I don't want this ever to happen again. I'm worried, really worried. You know, we have a hanta virus outbreak in a cruise ship and everybody's wanting. to do it all over again.

Are you freaking? It's not the virus of respiratory virus. Stop it. Stop it now. Stop the news agencies need to stop. Everybody needs to stop. Haza virus has been around a long time. It's nasty.

Yeah. So is TB. So is a lot of other things. So is Rickettsia. Deal with the rats problem downtown of Los Angeles. We have myurine typhus and bubon and pneumonic plague breaking up, breaking out. Deal with that. But I die cross.

The fact is that there are structural and philosophical excesses in public health that need to be kind of addressed. And is anyone in public health thinking about this? I don't think they are. I mean, I think one of the most healthy, useful outcomes of the COVID era was the absolute loss of credibility of the public health religious cult. And, you know, also, I think we all go into public health, just like when, people go into medicine. We want to help people. We want to save people. I wanted to be Mother Teresa. I wanted to jet around the world and wear spacesuits and quarantine towns and save people. But, you know, I think one problem with public health and with medicine is that we come in and we think

we're God. And with one intervention, one little pill or one surgery, we're going to save people when really we're not acting like true holistic doctors looking at someone's entire life. That's actually the root cause of their disease, not only, you know, a disease process, but how they're sleeping and how they're eating. We worry about one little thumbnail-sized pill, but that we don't even look at the pounds of food and beverage that they're consuming each day. The root cause talk, obviously, it's a very hot topic right now. And I don't, I'm a little worried about it because, I mean, I, I mean, the root cause is we're biological primates.

I mean, that's the root cause of a lot of our stuff. And I think what we mean to do, I think I want to try to parse it out because I think the instinct is good. What we mean to talk about is the impact that modern life has that is destroying our natural biology and hurting us, right? But I think there's another layer to this too, which is we've also got some. problem going on with our relationships. I mean, your assistant Tiffany came on, she was a love line fan. That was all about relationships back in the day.

And there's no need to do love lines today because people aren't having relationships. And that's a problem. Because if you, you know, there's a lot of meaning making, we're meaning making machines as humans. And one of the meanings, one of the most important meanings is keeping our species moving forward and giving

giving to the future generations. Meaning generally and meaning and giving, as you mentioned, you wanted to be a mother Teresa, that's about other people. That's meaning making. We've lost the capacity to make meaning so we get overly focused on our biological health. How do we get that balance right again? Do you have any opinion about that? Yeah, I actually wrote about this,

about my prescription for everyone's health, is that we live like a human. And that means we fuel like a human, We move like a human. We pray like a human. We're the only society that has ever been where we don't pray all the time, you know. We commune like humans. We relate like humans.

And so I absolutely couldn't agree with you more. Reproduce like humans. Make, you know, raise children like humans. Yeah, you're right. We've we've so divorced ourselves from the truth. that people aren't even looking at the basics of what the human experience is and how to make it more meaningful. What are your days filled with these days? What are you doing primarily?

Yeah, so I wear a few hats, but my main hat is I build health plans for employers, mostly faith-based employers, but all employers. We fire the insurance carriers and the big PBMs and we make it a little bit more human. we put direct primary care, elite primary care, nurse navigation on plans and, you know, try to make a more generous health plan. And I also, I'm a naturopathic doctor kind of on the side. So I still do, I still see people and try to help them live like humans. Yeah. And then I write at my substack once a week at All Better. And the, you said the website there is katyilento.com. We're going to take a little break in a second. We are taking calls for Katie as well, 8333.3.3. DR, DRAD, D.W.

You're able to stay past this break, right? A few more minutes with me. I'll tell you a quick story as it pertains to living like a human. We'll sort of maybe launch out of the break with this. Well, I'll save it. It's a story I've told before, but it's really pertinent to what you're talking about. And it's, Sigmund Freud himself made an important observation when he landed here in America.

They were very anxious to reporters and the medical community, which was captured by psychoanalysis at the time. Another big mistake, by the way. That's another evangelical story. Psychon analysis ruined American psychiatry for 50 years. But Freud still had some, much the way opiates still have utility. Freud still has utility. It's just we went evangelical with it. We went crazy with it.

That's how we get, look, lockdowns have some utility also. Vaccines have some utility also. Just not the crazy evangelical way we did it. So anyway, when he landed here, Freud was asked, you know, what do you hope to accomplish here in America? And I will tell you when we return. Hey, Dr. Drew here, and we are interested in health and longevity. And the longevity nutrient is Fat 815,

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Christine, you're an ER nurse. Dr. Drew, what happens if you inject something oil based directly into a vein? Did the drug company lie to the government or did the government just choose to lie to the public? New and here is very good. We're able to express ourselves. I don't see the profession doing anything to really build trust beside you. Happy to be on here. Thank you for having me.

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It's all college of protein. Go to doctor.com slash paleo valley for a 15% discount when you buy this or 20% off when you subscribe. We are such a fan of their products and the care with it's autumn and her team. Thank you. She says I can drink it. It goes about processing and the regenerative farming, everything we sign off on all her stuff. So, excuse me, this can't sit in front of me without me drinking it. Okay. So we are talking to Katie Tolento. She just told us about her substack and her at her work with All Better Health.

Is All Better Health a website we should look at also? Yeah, you can look at KatieTilento.com or my. insurance, my building health plans for employers is all better. Dot health. I love that you build it around primary care because I practiced primary care for 40 years in one setting or another. And it just has been eviscerated. I watch it just get dismantled.

Yeah, my dad was an old family practitioner from the 50s and 60s and 70s he practiced. And I watched what those guys were doing. And it was impossible for us to do that. It was just, it was just. And it's, now. they're putting systems in place of primary practitioners. And that's fine. But still that work has to be done.

Somebody's got to be the ombudsman. Somebody has to understand the patient, the family, the religious and cultural and social concerns. Everything about the person has to be assessed by human beings. And then good choices made with the patient, with the family, with the providers, and then help them navigate, which is these days nutty, nutty cuckoo. I had a patient, a friend recently got a stroke and I had to get her through. through Kaiser system.

We just kept looking at each other, my wife and I, Susan, going, my God, what would have happened to her if I were not here pushing this forward? She'd still be in a nursing home. That's exactly right. That's why we put nurse navigators on our plans and we build it on elite concierge primary care. It's really the only way. And then you prevent all these downstream costs, you know? Oh, my God, yes.

And then the other thing is putting nursing higher up, nursing needs more, What's the word I'm looking for is steam, a status. Nursing understands clinical medicine. And people don't understand the fund of knowledge that just the average nurse has with floor experience. They know medicine. They know sickness. They know the system.

And we don't elevate them to the proper status, in my humble opinion. That's exactly right. They become part of the family for each of our employers and everyone puts them on their Christmas card list. It's a precious relationship. and they work so well together with the primary care docs. Mercedes, I will get to you in just one second. We have a call.

I want us to ask Katie another question. But before we do, I'm going to finish my story about Dr. Freud. So obviously there were no video cameras or tape recorders in the early part of the 20th century when he arrived here, just reporters with their stinopads. And they surrounded him on the docs as he arrived, I believe it was in New York City. And they said, you know, Dr. Freud,

what do you hope to achieve here in America? And he said, well, I hope to come to a full, understanding of the difference between serious mental illness and ordinary misery. Because ordinary misery is not a bad thing. Back to being a human, guess what humans inevitably have to experience at some points in their life, which is ordinary misery. And ordinary misery is what challenges us, which maybe it tightens family bonds, maybe it improves your connection to a higher power. Maybe it makes you go out and want to make a difference and give to other people, whatever it is. And of course, grow and think and resiliency and all those things come from misery.

They come from ordinary misery. And if we reach for a food or a pill or a something online, every time we feel a little miserable, we are going to be truly miserable in the long run. So that's my little story about that. You know, I was at this event with Secretary Kennedy, actually yesterday on how to really start to deprescribe the SSRI problem, right? And, you know, doctors are very good at getting people on them, but getting off them is almost impossible. And so I'm so, you know, relieved that the department is starting to work on this issue. Do you know who's been leading the deprescribing charge is pharmacy,

which is another profession that needs to be elevated in terms of their status? us. And they've been talking about deep prescrib. I gave a lecture to a giant pharmacy group about a year ago. And it was all about deep prescribing. I mean, they were at the front end of that. I always worried much the way I worry about root cause, Katie. I worry about the evangelist on all sides, okay? I worry about being non-scientific, right? And so let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. SSRIs properly prescribed by a well-trained person to a motivated patient who is informed properly of risk reward and the patient who has great, the doctor has great experience using these things, they can be important, very important.

Same thing with opiates. Opiates that people can't get opiates today is crazy when they need it, but it has risks. And we have to understand the risk, the patient doesn't understand the risk, and we want to get people off medicines as soon as possible. We've gotten into this mode where medicines are going to make life better. Sorry, medicines are always dangerous. Though GLP-1s, excellent drugs, there's going to be a lot of harm to. because medicines don't make life better.

They deal with serious illness when it's worth the risk, period. Yeah, it's really about informed consent. You nailed it, and people are complex, and you need people who appreciate the complexity and are just pushing one agenda. Yeah, and spend the time and care. Caring is another piece. Mercedes, you have a question.

You're on with Katie. Thank you for joining us. Hi, thanks for having me. I had a question. What is the best way to advocate for my grandchildren? I have my son and his wife. They are vaccine. They believe in vaccines so much, but they've had children with eczema, asthma issues,

and everything I've sent them to build big. tree vaccine info and other articles, but they still want to hold on to their vaccines. And I just was wondering if there was a good way to get through to them and know that maybe they want an alternative and maybe a safe way to them. Let's see what Katie says. Let's see what Katie says. I have my own thoughts. I want to hear Katie's first.

Go ahead. Yeah, I'm a grandmother too. and, you know, I sometimes feel the need to try to rest control from my children about many things. But one of the things that you can do, Mercedes, is pray. It's really the only thing. And to love your daughter and son and grandchildren because we can't control them. And we have to trust that our bodies are brilliant and resilient. And with love and with good food and lots of good environment, you know, we can overcome

come a lot. Can I tell you a little secret? Go ahead. So my daughter's fiancee got COVID and she's 34 and she ran out and got the vaccine so she wouldn't catch COVID. And that which already with it like maybe a month ago. We understand that that it's not how the vaccine works. It's not what it does. It's not going to help her and you know, it did not make sense. And I was like, really? Like really? And so I tried to explain to her, you know, that it could cause infertility and it's, there's a lot of downside to the vaccine. And it probably wasn't a great idea. But they are just still in it. And she's, I don't understand why she would do it either.

No, I do. I get it. I get it. I think Mercedes, the best thing you could do is ask lots of questions. In the clinical world, it's called therapeutic wonderment. I wonder why you haven't heard about and fill in the blank. I wonder why you haven't heard about

hepatitis B wasn't meant for children. Do you really think they, just like lots of wonderment? Do you think kids should be getting that at one? Why don't they get it when they're 12 or 15? Why one? Why think they're doing that? Why?

And why was it 18 when I was, just lots of questions. If you can get them kind of ruminating about it, maybe they'll make some different choices. But Katie's right. You don't have control. And, you know, in the world of addiction recovery, where it's very similar phenomenon, we do a lot of giving it up to

higher powers and things too. So I think that's pretty good advice. But you know what I did do? I got her some spike support from the wellness company because, you know, the spike in it is the dangerous part. So I made her take that. That's all I could do. We do know that now, that the spike is the problem. And why we have a very important. vaccine that produces unregulated amount of the spike protein. Do you know this answer? I've been asking it repeatedly. I just don't know the answer. Why do they, is other than financial that they don't want to do the manufacturing and the research again. Why can't they get the RNA directed at the nucleocapsid protein, something that is a benign part of the virus that would also generate immunity?

Well, you know, the manufacturers of vaccines also manufacture drugs. So it's probably better for them. I'm aware. I'm aware. Everyone's sick. Yeah. Have you worked with pharmaceutical companies inside and with the people? Because my experience of the individuals that work in these worlds is not sinister.

They're not sinister. And I understand there are sinister motivations in there. And that's what we worry about. And I worry about the coziness with the FDA that when RFK Jr. alerted me to that, I was like, oh, that's not good. you know, people are motivated to move from the pharma back to the government. This is, that shouldn't be happening in any business, in any discipline. But they're not sinister people and they do good work.

You're going to say maybe not. We could, we could argue about that. But, but I don't know how we get it to be maybe taking the ads off TV is a good step or something, something where it's back in the hands of the doctor-patient again and outside of the pharmacy, the pharmacy companies. Yeah, I mean, I think that with drugs, at least we have a legal framework where people who are injured by a drug have recourse to the courts. And that does make, you know, the manufacturer's interests align with the patients in that,

okay, at least we don't want to kill people because we don't want to pay for that. And so in that sense, their interests are aligned. But you're right, there are good people in every system. And, you know, most people with my resume go out and show for industry next. That's what they do when they leave government. And so I know many people. I have lots of friends who lobby for the pharmaceutical industry or work as an in-house lobbyist or in-house scientists for these industries.

And, you know, there's lots of good people everywhere. They're good people at the CDC. They're good people at the White House. They're good people everywhere. But, you know, until you wake up, you don't wake up. you don't wake up, right? And so we all come with our biases and we're just products of our upbringing and our environment and our education, all of which is flawed. And so we really just have to find the path that God put us on and walk every day in it, trusting that he's going to wake us up

when it's time and that there's a purpose for everyone. And so, yeah, I do think, though, that when it comes to drugs, these industries, their interests are that we're patient, for life. And that's when they do better. And so when the incentives are aligned against our interests, we can't expect different outcomes. Yeah, yeah, I get it. We need to put, like everything with human behavior and human motivation, we have to urge things to go in the right direction. And things, the motivational priorities are sort of skewed in the wrong way right now. I don't, no disagreement on that. Katie, tell us again where we should find you in about the business primary care.

Yeah, you can find me at katitilento.com. That's the best place to find me or at all better. Dot health. Yeah. Let's go one more round on the pharmacy thing because I'm so conflicted about it. And I'm obviously struggling with it just talking with you because here's what I do as an internist. I use medication to treat dangerous illnesses, right, when the risk is worth it.

And when these things that would shorten people's life, I mean, that's what I do. I should try to lengthen life when it would be otherwise significantly shortened and disability incurred as well. I have to use strong chemicals that are well studied and brought to us by people that were worrying about their motivation. And by the same token, I have peers. I'm thinking about oncology now where the miracles are happening. And yet the motivational situation there is kind of off a little bit. But how do I, you know, I guess I'll just have to struggle with it and just keep an eye on the ball and make sure I, you know, being careful at all times for what I'm doing and what I'm advocating for. You might wonder if you have any thoughts on that.

Yeah, I mean, no doctor has enough time to follow deep in the literature on every single drug. And worse, even if they did, you know, a lot of 95% of trials that are actually published are the positive. ones. They don't publish the ones that show no results. And so, or a bad result. And so I think we have to come at the tools of medicine, of modern medicine, of alopathic medicine, as any kind of medicine, with great skepticism. But the little pro tip I would offer to any physician and also to patients is that FDA label is right there to be read. Check out section 6.1. It's in plain English. You can see how long was that trial. How many people were in that trial? One little epidemiology trick is if the number of people in the trial is, say, 2000,

then that means that any side effect that occurs in fewer than one and two thousand people is not going to be found. Right? So if it's more rare than that, it won't be found. Yeah. Oh, listen, I've seen, in the world of psychiatry, they run to new medication very quickly because I worked on psychiatric hospital for many years. Because they don't have, at least back in the day, they didn't have a lot at their disposal. So when something new would come along, they'd jump at it. And you wouldn't see the weird, it was weird, you wouldn't even see the more common side effect

until it started having widespread use. And you're going to, I think the example to keep your eye on is the GLP ones. When there's widespread use like that for a very powerful medication, I've seen deaths, I've seen a motivational state, I've seen a, obviously gastroporesis. it's got to be really worth it. And then you want to get off as quick as possible. It's designed for people with serious obesity, diabetic, lives are going to be short. And if they don't do something, they've tried everything else, then do this medicine.

But now everyone on the red carpet is using it. And man, you're going to see. You're going to see. It's another example of stuff we've been talking about. So, Katie, I appreciate your work and I appreciate your being here. Tell them once again where they can find you. Thank you so much. You can find me at Katieilento.

com. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Katie. Talk to you soon. All right. Coming up, we've got a lot of very, very important and interesting guests coming. Caleb will throw them up there. I know we've got Salter Cracker coming back amongst other people. We've got Dr. Scott Atlas and Jonathan Turley in the same show, which is amazing. Tess Laurie, David, Chad Davenport, Dave Rubin, coming into the studio with us, Russell Brown, allegedly in the studio with us. And keep an eye on upcoming shows. Follow us on X. Watch for the blast we put out.

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