Ask Dr. Drew - I-Word Banned. AB 2098 Passed. Free Speech Is Under Attack. Answering Your Calls LIVE – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 133

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

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Welcome, everybody. Excited to take your calls today. We'll be out on Twitter spaces. All you do is raise your hand there and I'll bring you up to the podium. And if you're selected, you'll be streaming out on multiple platforms. You're agreeing to do so by raising your hand. So it'll be Rumble, Facebook, Twitch, Twitter, wherever. YouTube, of course. So a lot to talk about today. One of the reasons I was kind of looking forward to today's show, I was thinking, I don't feel like I've taken calls in a long time. And the reason I felt that way is because I hadn't feel like I've taken calls in a long time. And the reason I felt that way is because I hadn't. I hadn't taken calls in quite some time. We've had multiple interesting guests that we have to kind of debrief on, Jim Thorpe, Edward Dowd, Jay Bhattacharya.

I've had no chance to kind of discuss and process all that with you guys. You noticed I was kind of sitting by during a lot of that information, which is what I intend to do. I want to give people a space to deliver their thoughts and we'll kind of look at it across time and see how much of it is right, how much of it is wrong. The idea that it can't be spoken is insane. And the fact that we can go to talk about it amongst our peers is a very important process. And a certain arc, a story has sort of evolved for me and my understanding of what's been going on here.

So I have a deeper understanding by virtue of talking to these guys. So we'll get to that and your calls after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for. Where the hell do you think I learned that?

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please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. And welcome today. Susan is trying to tell me something. Maybe you ought to say it right now on the mic because I couldn't hear you.

What's that? Happy Yom Kippur. Oh, yes. To all our Jewish friends. And hope you'll be able to break the fast this evening. And yeah, I don't know what we are all, what we have done to have taken the burden that we have over the last couple of years, but it must have been something.

So hopefully by expunging your sins, things will be better going forward. Can you put your mic more in front of your face and not sideways? Like that? Is that better? Yeah, so it's not point. Yeah, there you go. All right. There you go. So I want to start with describing a phenomenal video by John Campbell that somebody was tweeting and it was hysterical. Of course, John Campbell is the nurse PhD who helped. He did what I thought I was doing during the depths of COVID, which was just trying to make sense of the data as it came in. Trying to reassure everybody to tell us where we are, tell us what we need to watch out for. He did a great job. He mostly analyzed data. That's

really what he was looking at. And he has, I guess, become part of the Russell Brand devoted. He seems, because Russell Brand got a ding on YouTube, and Dr. Campbell got a ding on YouTube as well for discussing the I-word. There's Russell. And Caleb, am I getting that right? They both got a strike. They were not deplatformed, but they got a strike for discussing these unconventional therapeutics. Is that correct? That's what it looks like. He probably mentioned the I word uh that's in the title of his video there maybe one at the end at the end of that video he does something absolutely hysterical he he he he goes um well let's look at what the cdc says about this product.

And he reads what's on the CDC website, which gives a mechanism of action for its antiviral effects, and says, but we don't recommend it for anybody unless they're in a randomized controlled trial. So here are two trials you should sign up for. So he goes to this one at the, shoot, I wish I could remember the name of the clinic. And he goes, all right, well, here we go. And he's reading about it. And he goes, let's see, when did this start? Oh, that's one, two, three, four, five, six. Okay, six and one, two, three, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. 10 plus six is, what is that? 16. 16 months and not a single preprint, not one word of data coming out of there.

I wonder what that means. I'm not saying he goes, he goes, he goes, not diddly squat coming out of that, that research protocol and what he is telling you in the, in his, in his inimitable British way, that's his first message, which is that the study must be positive, which is why they're not willing to publish anything or they're not doing the study. be positive, which is why they're not willing to publish anything or they're not doing the study. Those are the only two possibilities. All right, that's number one.

Then number two, he goes on. If you could go on there, Caleb, for like the last two minutes of this thing, maybe a minute and a half, and show me the video up there, and you'll see, kind of keep going, keep going. No, no, that's the principal study. That's the one he was talking about.

No, keep going. The Oxford study. That's what it was. He goes, really? Oxford study? He starts counting his fingers. In any event, go further. I want you to go further.

I want you to see something here. There he's counting his fingers. He's so funny. He is so dry. Don't go too long or we'll get in trouble. Yeah, yeah. We'll keep going forward. Go a little forward there until you see a medication box.

There we go. He actually pulls out the medication. He goes, well, I just want to see what it looks like. I keep this around in case I get a helminthic affection or certain kinds of scabies. And oh, oh, do not take this medication. Do not take this medication. You should not take this medication. And I'm telling you, this is just what it looks like. Do not take this medication because we are told by the authorities, do not take this medication. And in that picture, he is saying he's taking it prophylactically every day. That's what he's telling you by that picture. I just was laughing my ass off. I don't think that's a good idea, by the way. Do not think I'm co-signing this. I am not co-signing it. I've seen it not work. If it does work, it's really on the margins. It's not going to kill you. It's not going to kill you. If he wants to take it, God bless him. If Joe Rogan wants to take it, God bless him. It makes you feel terrible. Why would you know that, young lady? I took one. For what? When you got COVID the first time.

Right. At that point, you took it for a prophylaxis, but you didn't continue it. And then I almost threw up and said, fuck right and so uh i am not and i am i am not recommending it not the way he's doing it i mean you should not do it i mean that is not my opinion is these early therapies these prophylactic things i i really have not seen them work all right the data is sketchy if you you want to do it with your doctor, please discuss it with him or her and have at it. But both the H and the I medicines, of course, I've used for years. And we discussed it with Dr. Thorpe. Don't talk too much about it.

I'm going to stop. But we discussed it with Dr. Thorpe yesterday. It's just funny because it's like now the people that have 300,000 views or a million views or whatever are getting strikes. And they're like, sorry, but it's bought stuff. And then they probably got it back up because I saw them on YouTube the next day. So it's just so silly. They should stop that rule. Something is going wrong on Rumble where we are not rolling and have no rant.

So check that out. I don't know if there's something technical going on there. Well, there it popped in but i don't see it either uh so i don't know what's going on there so a bunch of people popped on but they may have popped off because i'm not sure this is streaming there well let's check it out all right so in any event can you work your magic over in any event what dr thorpe brought up was the safety profile no it's it's on there. It's just weird. It's not showing up on our computer for some reason, but I can see it. Okay. Yeah, it looks like their chat is having issues, but people are definitely

watching. It's the chat, yeah. So if you're on Rumble and you want to chat, head on over to YouTube until we figure it out. Yeah, go to Restream. We can talk to you there. What Russell video was that that got... No, I was talking about John Campbell's video from yesterday. I wasn't talking about Russell Brand. I don't know when he got dinged, but I assume it was the same kind of conversation. And it's just interesting to me that John Campbell, who was more in the Covidian camp,

or what was it, Covidian? I don't know which camp it was, but he was much more sort of in favor of the locking down and the measures and this and that. And I don't know what's happened to him. I'm going to have to watch him a little more. He seems to have drifted over as a result of the information that's coming out sort of more into my zone where I'm very skeptical that these measures they took did anything, were founded in any kind of science, had any utility at all. If it had utility, I'd be all for it, but I think it only harmed people, which is why I'm questioning it. And it didn't do anything. It's not like not doing it would have killed grandma. Grandma died anyway. The point is it didn't work. It didn't do anything. Now, as you all know, I always have

to restate my vaccine positioning because people get very confused about that for some reason. I'm a super moderate on everything, and I'm also moderate on the vaccine. So here's my thing on vaccine. It is clear over the age of 65, it is clear that the vaccine is keeping the most at-risk people, which are the elderly, out of the hospital and reducing deaths. I would again refer you to Monica Gandhi. I will bring her back here and talk to her. She's convinced that it's primarily

sort of cellular immunity, the T-cell remnant response of the early vaccines that has kept us out of trouble. So I have my patients. I have many, many, many elderly patients and they are all vaxxed up. Some of them are starting to get the bivalent vaccine.

I've been telling them to hold off on that because we didn't have any human experience with it yet. Now we are starting to get some human experience, so I'm sort of telling them to go ahead, the ones that are highly motivated. So that's it, over 65. Under 65, it gets complicated. That's all I'm saying. It gets complicated. That's all I'm saying. It gets complicated. And in my opinion, there was some data just out that I think Vinay Prasad just tweeted about. I'm going to read it to you.

It was some myocarditis data. And the sort of take on it was, see, there's nothing here. And I was like, oh, my God, there's a lot here, which is that with a two dose and a booster, the risk of myocarditis in, let me get the right, in the sort of 16 to 20, oh, really the teenagers, 16 to 17 year old, one, two, three, yep, is roughly 188 per million, okay? So that is committing nearly 200 young males, healthy young males to a, I cannot emphasize how serious myocarditis is. Now, it's turning out to be reversible and it's looking like it's going to be okay,

but this is a group of people who will not get sick from COVID getting sick from the vaccine. That's my concern. That's my concern. Now, if you can show me data that they are more likely to have serious long-term consequences from COVID per million cases on the range of 200 per million cases, but the reality is it's just, it's like way, way downstream. So let me, let me actually look it up um let's say deaths i feel like dr campbell now that's that's what he does per million uh late we'll just say adolescence adolescence and by the way i was looking at a very narrow

age group um cigars still can't catch covid he said he got sick this week nope negative for covid hey you know what you should if you have a sore throat and you test your nose when you have covid it won't show up but if you test your i cannot vouch for that it worked for me and paulina both i cannot vouch for that and i was like i was surprised because like i took the covid in my nose, and I had a sore throat. All right. So deaths per million. So anyways, try your throat if you have a sore throat. Deaths involving coronavirus, 2019.

But I hope you don't have it, Tom. We still can't see the chat on Rumble. It's weird. It's playing, but it's just not showing us your comments. And I, I feel bad because we really love your comments on rumble. But if you want to go over to YouTube and, uh, give us your comments there for the day,

it's youtube.com slash Dr. Drew. Also, we're going to take super chat questions. Uh, if you guys want to, uh, do that.

Uh, also, uh, we're also on Twitter and also on, we don't see the comments on Twitter, but we see them on Twitch as well. All right. We're going to try to get age group data. It's really hard to get it. Jesus Christ. It should not be this hard. Okay, Drew. Let's take some calls. All right. We'll take some calls. But anyway, I also want to sort of re- You've got to do this in advance. Okay. I just want to re-rediscuss a little

bit about uh dr dowd i'm not dr now he's not a doctor and that's the whole point people are taking issue with that and that is true and these are all opinions these are not things you should take to the bank uh and same thing with dr thorpe obviously that is an outlying opinion it's weird to me that the nhs the national Healthcare Service at Britain, on one page is recommending against the vaccine, on another page recommending for it. The Royal Academy of Obstetrics is recommending for it. It's all over the place. So there's a lot of controversy there.

The one thing that Dr. Thorpe said that will stay with me is that in his clinical experience, he has seen an uptick in all kinds of problems and birth defects and early intrauterine growth retardation and spontaneous abortions and all that kind of stuff. Now, could that be confirmation bias on his part? Absolutely. Absolutely, it could. But we are trained as physicians to really tune into our clinical experience. So I put a lot of, as you noticed when I talked to him about that, I put a lot of weight on that. I believe thoroughly in doctors' impressions. But again, he's one clinician. He's not a group of clinicians. And off we go.

And as far as doubt goes, we'll see how that data bears out. We'll see how that data bears out. We'll see how the data bears out. And then finally, Dr. Bhattacharya, whom you know I am a great fan of. I do not understand why people take issue with him. I saw Dr. Gorski taking, it wasn't just him. No, it was Dr. Pan, who is the author of AB 2098, who is a pediatrician, who is the one that authored this Bumqua bill to make it essentially encumbering of a physician's license if he or she gives anything other than the

standard of care advice when somebody asks anything about COVID. Now, the standard of care with COVID has been changing all the time, so it's a very hard thing for us to understand exactly what that is. But Dr. Pan said some things that I hope he did not mean about Jay Bhattacharya saying that our board exams somehow are meaningless. I don't, that does not sound like Jay to me. And I hope it's not you, sir, Dr. Pan, that are saying that. Our board exams, as I believe you would agree, are highly meaningful in what separates the wheat from the chaff. It's what protects the public. If we pass specialty boards, I have two sets of boards I've passed more than once, and that is what establishes you as an expert. It's those boards, not our license. Our license is part of what protects the public,

but it's actually those board exams. So any event. So that's just a bit of advice. If you're looking for a doctor, always make sure they are board certified. That's how you can sort of make certain that you're seeing somebody who's of a certain quality. All right. I'm going to take some calls right now. I appreciate you guys calling in. We're on Twitter spaces. We're also, I'm watching you on Restream. I will try. Della saying Dr. Prasad was funny the other other day said he got a notice where he was eligible for the new bivalent he wondered if he was going to be the ninth mouse that is very funny uh didn't uh let's say mr biden say the pandemic is over there was a very hysterical uh oh sorry uh there was a very yes i I got it.

It was my mistake. Also, Caleb's going to keep track of any Super Chats that come through. Okay, great. And I'll happily answer those Super Chats. I don't think we can see it on the restream, right? And do, by the way, get your flu shots, everybody. Susan, I brought flu shots home. I brought them home so we can, as you know, you've paid for them.

So thank you for that. I did. I appreciate it. I brought three of them home. I paid for the flu shots for all his patients. I don't think we get that money back, do we? Yes, you do. Oh, we do?

Yes, we do. I don't know that we have to use all of it to make sure we get it back. Oh, God. All right, so let me get some calls here from you guys. Let's see what's going on. Your podcast paid for it. GenuCell paid for your flu shots in your office. Yes, that's true.

See, Susie Q is a speaker. She can just, what's going on there, Suzy? Hi, can you hear me? We do. Okay, good. I kind of got off track because I have multiple sclerosis and, you know, my mind takes in all this information and I forgot the original question I was going to ask you.

But I wanted to throw this at you. I have no family except a son and a sister and a sister-in-law and two nephews. I've lost everybody in the last 12 years. I've came very close to death. I've had pulmonary embolisms. I've been in and out of the hospital. And so a couple questions. Do you know what kind of MS do you have?

You're like secondary progressive. MS do you have? You're like secondary progressive. What do you have? No. Yeah, I'm secondary progressive, which they now – a new thing. I have an N, which I cannot – there's no more medicine for me to take. I've taken every injection, everything. And you just mentioned a whole bunch of family members and then said no one's around. Have all those people died? Yes.

Okay. And from what? Well, my brother died of pancreatitis. Okay. So all different things. How can we help today? What's going on? Well, my main thing is I'm seeing a psychiatrist.

I'm trying to get over the grief. The few people that I do have are, you know, basically cut me out of their lives. They think that MS is BS and I just want attention. Do you have a psychiatric diagnosis? I have a few. Okay. Is there anything? I'd rather.

So I'm guessing you have something on the personality spectrum and that's what people are sort of frustrated with, right? And then when you get MS, then they start blaming that. That's the worst thing in the world is when people get medical problems and people want to blame it on psychiatric symptoms or psychiatric pathology. That's just the worst thing in the world. Well, they don't believe in psychiatrists. Yeah, yeah. So listen, I will tell you, I'm guessing that one of your conditions is one that makes your relationships difficult, right? Do you have a lot of abandonment, preoccupation, that kind of thing?

Is that true? Which has to do with my MS. I understand. But you came for advice. So I'm just, you're asking me not to out your psychiatric diagnosis, which I do not want to do, but I do also want to kind of understand what's going on. So the key is, the two key things that will help you to manage your grief and to deal with your disability and to be regulated emotionally, this is a lot, as you know, Susie. So it is, A, dialectical behavioral therapy will help you in your relationships and with some of your emotions.

And then the grief has to be processed with other people. And as people are pushing you away because of their fear of the psychiatric stuff, if you do the DBT, that should settle. But it's really essentially impossible to do grief work by yourself. You need people that are there, who are present, who know what it's like to go through this, who are attuned to you, and who are there on your behalf. Thank you, Susie. I've got to keep going. I've got a lot of requests up here, so I'm going to try to get to them all. So let's see what we can get here. Scrap the planet. That should be interesting. Scrap the planet.

Go ahead there. There's a big delay before they can get to the mic. So let's give them that. Give them that. They're muted. Yep. You're muted again. So the lower left corner,

you unmute your mic. There you are. Yep. We got you. Hey, sorry about that, Drew. I just want to say Can you hear me? Yep, we got you. Hey, sorry about that. Drew, I just want to say what a great privilege it is to talk to you, and I want to thank you for your objectivity through the pandemic.

And, you know, you were talking about myocarditis and that sort of thing, and that was one of my great apprehensions with the possibility of getting the vaccine. Yeah, how old are you? I'm 33. The good news is you're a little older than when people are really getting that. But there is this, again, I just want you to know the things that I worry about and think about. Great. If you were like my son, one of my sons got vaccinated, one didn't. Okay. And okay. It depends on your level of motivation and comfort. You should be making that decision for yourself with a medical caretaker. In your age group, I'm worried about this excess death

data. Until that is explained, I'm going to worry about that. And they're not seemingly explaining it. They're sort of pushing it away or pretending it's not there and it's clearly there. And what is it? Just explain what it is. If it's not the vaccine, great. Then what is it? And that's all I'm looking for right now. So then I could tell you, you don't have to worry about it. You can get that vaccine, or you can always get Novavax if you want it, and you can get hopefully one day Covaxin. One thing that I really want to mention is my apprehension comes because I've had Lyme

disease multiple times since I was about 10 years old. Multiple times? Where do you live? Do you live in Lyme, Connecticut times since I was about 10 years old. Multiple times? Where do you live? Do you live in Lyme, Connecticut? No, no. I grew up in New Jersey, but I live in Philadelphia now. Wow. Multiple times.

But I have had it half a dozen times. Oh, my God. That is insane. He must, like, hike a lot or something. Yeah, you hike a lot? I'm an outdoorsman. Oh, man. I noticed on LymeDisease.org that something like 30% of Lyme sufferers saw a resurgence of their Lyme disease after taking the vaccine.

Well, there's a lot of that kind of stuff flying around. I've not seen that substantiated, the whole autoimmune thing. I don't know yet. Again, we just don't know yet. The most frustrating thing in the world is they're not doing the due diligence. It feels like they're not really doing the studying that will help answer all that, which I can't – it seems irresponsible. It drives me nuts, man. It's mystifying.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would say it's purposeful, but I'm not. I'm not either. It gets weird, though. I got to tell you. It gets so weird. But that's sort of why I'm talking to all these people that were object, you know, were the object of the cancellation and stuff. Yes. I get information that helps me understand what's happening. And it has.

It's really helped me kind of put the pieces of the puzzle together. And, you know, that's why I have to say, I'm sure you hear it all the time. But my respect for you and Susan and your whole team has only grown through the pandemic because you've just stayed objective. And, you know, you helped me realize that I'm not insane. No, you're not insane. I'm just trying to look out for my health. You're not insane. Thanks for including us.

Yeah. And I've been in remission for 10 years with Lyme disease. I just don't want to set myself back just so that I can get a vaccine. Yeah, I get it. I totally get it. You know, I just don't want to set myself back just so that I can get a vaccine. Yeah, I get it. I totally get it. I just want to be careful. I completely get it. Thank you for the kind words. Remember our little goal at the beginning. Because all we see are the negative ones. Our little goal at the beginning of this whole thing, I was just thinking about today, how long we've been doing this, but just to make sense of things for people to kind of

calm everybody down and try to be sensible somebody by the way is just saying she hp is saying dr campbell recently visited africa maybe that's why his h medicine is punched out there but uh that's not usually uh a medication that's not malaria medication you're taking malaria medication when you go down not that the h medication is designed for people that are refugees from certain parts of africa They're required to take that medicine if they come back into this country, but it's not just routinely prescribed down there. Let me look at you guys. Please refer to the NCBI articles about Morgellons to confirm. To confirm what, my friend? Sorry. Let me see what else is going on. Restream.

Take calls. No super chats. Keep moving. All right. I will keep going. Let's get Joseph up there. I have to go. Caleb's going to keep an eye on YouTube super chats, but I will be go. I know. Caleb's going to keep an eye on YouTube Super Chats, but I will be listening. Okay.

And maybe I'll make a comment if I don't like what you're doing. Okay, fair enough. I'll look for it. You do a great job. But anyways, Caleb's standing in. Okay, I see lots of comments from YouTube today, nothing really from Facebook. I hope you guys are okay.

They are. There's a few. Yeah, the Rumble thing is still not working. If you're on Rumble, we can't see your chat and I don't know why. We miss you. There are 600 people over there. If you do want to make a comment, head over to

Facebook or YouTube.com slash Dr. Drew. Go on their chats. Speaking of, here's a comment. I see you there, Joseph. Hold on a second. Jax L., interesting comment. Under the heading of facts about mRNA vaccines, CDC removed the mRNA and the spike protein do not last long in the body. Hmm.

That's interesting. They do last long in the body. We do know that now. Do they last? It depends what you mean by long. Maybe that's one of the reasons they didn't want to get into that controversy. Joseph, what's going on? Hey, Dr. Drew. Um, I've been a big fan of yours for about 25 years. So it's pretty cool talking to you. Cheers. Um, cheers, man. Can you, can you hear me? I do. What's going on? Oh, okay. All right. So I got myself in a,

in a situation and, um, it's a, it's a relationship question. So I guess I'll kind of give you a quick backstory. I got married 10 years ago. I've been with my wife for about 10 years. I've been with her about 12 years. So when I met her, I kind of married into the family, of course. And at the time, her sister, she basically went everywhere with us. We kind of took her in. She had a troubled childhood, so we kind of took her in.

She was 15 years old at the time. So long story short, she ended up moving in with us. We live in Florida now. She ended up moving in with us. So she's Florida now. She ended up moving in with us. So she's 25 now. And I guess the relationship got stronger, I guess, and ended up I actually had an affair. Oh, boy. Okay.

Yeah, so the thing is the relationship is continuing. My wife actually knows. It's continuing. I'm kind of torn between both of them right now. It's a tough situation. Do you have kids? We do. We do. Do you have kids? We do. We do.

We have two kids together. I think on – how old are the kids? Six and seven. All right. And you're not telling me, I don't love my wife, I love her sister. You're saying I'm torn. An easy way to make that choice is to realize you made a commitment to one of them and that commitment includes creating a safe environment for children which requires that relationship

to be stable i'm stunned that your wife knows about this and is sort of tolerating it well so she found out three months ago. We separated. It's the way I look at it. I mean, there's no excuse. I'm not making any excuse at all for what I did. But we were already in a relationship. And when the system moved on. Okay, Joseph, I'm going to interrupt you, my friend,

because the connection is terrible here. But let me just, unfortunately, I'm picking up almost nothing of what you're saying. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to remove you from the podium here, and then I'm going to talk to you. So here's the deal. My job, yes, it is a love line story. My deal is not to pile onto your guilt. I'm sure you have plenty of guilt.

This is sort of, this is not okay, right? I think you and your wife need to get into a room with a therapist, anybody, anybody qualified for some couples therapy, and really decide decide can this work or not one of the one of the first orders of business is to decide could this be restored or not and do we both want to make an effort to do so or is this betrayal so profound that she can never get over it. I hope she can, and I hope you will commit to it. And on behalf of your kids, that's all that's important to them is that this family unit stays intact, especially at these delicate ages. And here's the other piece I want to say. Should you break up with your wife, you don't get to then hook up with her sister. You don't get to do that. I know you really love this girl and there's all kinds of crazy boundary problems. You don't get to do that.

You have to let go of everything and realize you destroyed this marriage and that's that. You can work on yourself and your boundaries if you wish. I don't know the details of what happened here, but this is all ultimately kind of a boundary issue um but you but i i would say my opinion you don't get then to jump into a relationship with her sister that is just think about it that's not okay all right again decision is yours that's my recommendation uh so the recommendation is get in a room with a therapist or some kind of psychologically training to be even a clergy just to decide in a safe environment do we have anything here do we want to make a go of it and b if it's no then you need to move on and leave these two young ladies

alone these two women because you've done a lot of damage to both them yeah do these types of situations ever happen when people are are like totally sober because it just strikes me as that's the missing piece with a lot of stories how did you know that i just well usually yeah when things go bad it's usually because people are using right and it's it's usually when they're using that the boundaries get violated and it's usually not a single use it's usually somebody who's got some momentum with a substance for sure uh it does but that's kind of a separate thing it's kind of a separate issue and let's say he or she he alluded to her having you know childhood issues and stuff and so you could guess that

maybe there's some substance going on there with her uh not clear with him that's the second order of business which if indeed it was because of your relationship with alcohol, say, that you got into trouble like this, you need to look at that. It's your alcohol. The alcohol may be the problem. You're not a bad person. You may be a sick person. And the alcoholism, you have a responsibility then to treat it, to get help. Raise your hand at a meeting.

Talk about it. All right. So, Caleb, I'll take a break here here and then we will get back to more calls. I'll watch your restream here. And yeah, I'd be interested in more calls about all these great guests we've had. We've had all these silenced clinicians and silenced researchers and people that have been attacked or marginalized or canceled. And I found what they've had to say very interesting. I'm wondering what you guys think about that. We'll be back after a quick break. Consumer price index yet again going up, stock market in turmoil. What's our government doing to quell the surge of inflation that is

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Lori over on Facebook says, COVID misinformation is informing pregnant women that receiving a COVID mRNA vaccine does not cross the placenta. That's right. So to tell her that it does would be considered misinformation at this point in time, even though there's now data that suggests

it does, and there may be some issues with the Syncytia-1 and all this stuff we talked about. I would suggest you listen to the interview we did yesterday. Was it yesterday? Jesus. With Jim Thorpe. Could not have been yesterday, was it? Yes, it was. Yeah, it was. Wow. It seems

like a long time ago, doesn't it? Wow. Yeah. By the way, and by the way, let me just tell you that there's something crazy going on right now where I was seeing patients this morning, and I just saw a parade of men, mostly white men, in their middle to late years giving up. Really, like, I can't do this anymore. I can't fight. I can't run a business. I can't. Things are too impossible. I'm being taxed too hard.

I'm being regulated too hard. I'm being taxed too hard. I'm being regulated too hard. I'm being sued. It was one after another just saying the world is too much ingratitude. And I started thinking about men generally. Men need to feel appreciated. That's just a universal feature about males. They need to feel like what they're doing is appreciated, whatever it might be, that somebody appreciates what they're doing. And the lack of appreciation, as well as the encumbrances right now, if you add the downturn

in the economy, the COVID and COVIDiots and all the craziness that's been going on, and the extreme overreach, people are tired of fighting. They just can't do it anymore and i i just it just it just happened to me this morning uh and it's weird oh and maybe it's again confirmation bias to some extent i had a similar thought as i was driving into my office it was i was watching a bunch of people in a certain part of town here i'm my office is in an area where people wear masks outdoors all the time and they're clearly signaling. They clearly are,

they're either so overcome with anxiety by what the government has done to them or they are signaling their group participation. In either case, it's insane and it's hard for me to watch. I'm not saying that a mask

is an insane proposition. If you have concerns, and particularly if you have chronic medical illnesses, you're advanced age, and you're indoors with no ventilation in a place that you want to stay safe and you want to use an N95 mask, good on you. But if you are walking around outside with a surgical mask on, that has zero rationality to it. And I mean zero. I started thinking about the data on outdoor transmission.

In any outdoor space, I can only think of two cases out of how many billions of COVID cases do we have now? So come on now. Yeah, Aaron is saying they're wearing a mask outside or while driving alone i've seen that one too but i i can i can at least believe that driving alone is uh you forgot right maybe you forgot i tell myself that anyway uh and nice top a nice theme says drew's trying to say he's anti-mask now no i have been have been pro-sanity the whole time. And I did not, there was two major studies that showed the masks had no utility, particularly the surgical mask. There were some refinement studies that showed that a well-fitting N95 may protect an individual, but doesn't protect

anybody from that individual. And it makes sense from the standpoint of what doctors do when they go into a patient room, they put on a well-fitting N95. They don't max the patient. Sometimes in certain conditions, like if they are a, what do they call it with TB, with tuberculosis, where they aerosolize, if they're aerosolizers,

which is only less than 20% of TB patients, they might be putting a mask on for a couple of days until they've taken some antibiotics and then they would take it off. But they might wear it, we might wear it around those patients for a lot a bit longer so that makes sense if you want to protect yourself you are not protecting somebody else and you were doing nothing in the outdoor space so let's just talk about what's we're just trying to get the facts down just trying to get the data right. And masking children, again, I would refer you all to Vinay Prasad,

who just chronicles this data over and over and over again, has no utility, and there's a growing body of evidence that is hurting children. This is not good. Let me bring Jennifer up. See what Jennifer's got to say. Jennifer's just dropping in here. Let's see what her – you got to unmute jennifer

like everybody as soon as you come up go ahead and uh unmute the mic in the lower right hand left hand corner and let's hear what you got what's up hello there hey there i am a long time fan like i listened to you on the radio like all the time back in the day you are absolutely incredible that's very always loved catching your broadcast you saved my marriage for 20 years when it was doomed in two oh good for you glad you hung in it lasted 20 years before we divorced it was the best decision i ever made to get rid of him um i have fallen back in love and it's a peculiar case you might want to know about all right I'm ready we seem to be that seems to be our theme for the day so go ahead I'm on this uh hope you

know I hope it's not your hope it's not your your sister's husband because that's just what we heard about but go ahead you know what they so should just have a dirty three-way and get it over with no it's not gonna go that would go. That would inflame everything. That would fix it instantly. No, it never does. That would fix it instantly. I wish it did. I wish it did, but it doesn't.

Let me tell you from experience. Okay, my situation might be more clarity than this. All right, okay. Where I'm coming from. All right. Okay, I'm on this thing called Discord. It's a social media site. Okay.

And I can talk to anyone from anywhere around the world. Okay. Discord. So. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Caleb, can you enlighten me? Yeah.

It's like a chat app. It's usually used by gamers, but it's kind of expanded into having different communities. And I've been working on setting up one for your fans as well at some point. Oh, okay. All right. Interesting. Wonderful. Wonderful. We'd love to have you. Okay. So what's up? All right. up one for your fans as well at some point oh okay all right interesting wonderful wonderful we'd love to have you okay so what's up all right i ran in to a set of men that are so

gaily in love with each other and they kind of adopted me as their milf. So we have a three-way situation going on. All three of us want to get married to each other. Okay. But the problem is, is they're on, one of them's on the other side of the world from me. One of them is. How do they maintain their relationship

if they're so far apart? We are on Discord 16 hours a day spending time together. Oh boy. i have no other life other than discord and sleep how did they how did the two of them get going have they been in it is it is a master and kitten situation no no but listen my my kitten really loves his master i get it has he have they ever been in the same place together is it all they're both virgins how old are they younger 18 and 24. okay so let's just talk about their relationship

for a second yes these online relationships they often don't go well right we've been at it for three years I know it loving each other 16 hours a day I'm not talking about your part yet I'm talking about their part still and I understand they've been at it for a while but many times the the longer the worse because it's so built up into such a fantasy that is detached from the reality of a day in a day out relationship um and and are these people they haven't asked you for any money or anything have they no they're completely self-sufficient okay so as a matter of fact they've bought me gifts okay so i worry about their relationship which is fine people can do whatever

they want to do uh that's my that's my concern is this the fantasy that is sort of infused into these online relationships i think the actually the is sort of infused into these online relationships. I think actually the best way to deal with these things always is to get into the same space together as quickly as possible. Yes, that's our intention. All right. So what's the question? I'm trying to find a way to get them here as soon as soon can happen. All right.

What's the question? All right. My question is, with me being a mother figure, a wife figure, a daughter figure, everything to these boys, what do we do to get them to me? That's a question I cannot answer, but you need to do it as soon as possible. Your job, though, it's not okay to have a dual relationship with somebody. In other words, it's very unhealthy to be their mom and their lover, their sister and their accountant, whatever it is. Dual relationships tend to be problematic. So you're going to have to sort of consolidate how they see you. And again, that's going to be done in person into whatever the relationship actually is, whatever the intimacy is. And these other sorts of needs that they have that they're projecting onto you, you have to be very careful with those.

You can be a caretaker, but you can't be their mom. You know what I mean? You're not their mom. You have to stay in reality. And there's so much fantasy built into what you guys have created here. It worries me. It worries me. Not that I'm saying you can't have fantasy in a relationship.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that this is all built on fantasy, and you have to get the reality piece going here. And I will tell you that just having a male, well, a person and another person into an intimate relationship, there are armies of professional trying to keep them okay. You add a third person in there, and it gets extra super intense and crazy and difficult not saying you can't do it it's up to you but i'm just saying

that's why i was worried about the two of them at first and then throwing you into the mix it gets pretty pretty crazy here let's bring another guest up this is uh alvera Am I getting this right? Alvarez. Alvarez. Hi, doctor. Hey, what's happening? Can you hear me? Yes. Hey. I recently had a cardiac ablation probably four days ago now, and I'm recovering well, doing okay. My question is, it was due to PVCs, premature ventricular contractions. And my cardiologist, um, said that she has seen a dramatic increase in this over the last year, this procedure that she, uh, does for several patients. And she says that the, um, that correlation she has made has been to the Moderna vaccine. Okay. I don't know anything about it. I'm just,

I'm kind of wondering what your first, what your thoughts are on it. So, so we've done, we've done multiple shows on this, right? Uh, trying to sort this out.

There was some data just tweeted by Vinay Prasad about this very issue. Um, I, I am hearing this. Whoop. You still there? Yeah, I'm still here. I am hearing this. Whoop, you still there? Yeah, I'm still here. I am hearing exactly what you're describing from many different sources.

The question is, are we going to be able to connect it with the vaccine or not? And is it due to some intrinsic muscle disorder that we need to be worried about? So I'm a little surprised that they did an ablation just for PVCs. Were you having them, were you in what's called bigeminy? Were you having them like 40

times a minute? I was having them pretty consistently throughout the day and they were, it caused a lot of problems in my life and my quality of life. I was in a lot of discomfort and I lost work because of it as well. So because it made you anxious or because it made you lightheaded or what were the symptoms? Yeah, both actually. Yeah, very anxious and lightheaded and I even passed out a couple times. Okay, passing out, no bueno. But wow, I do have a few people, a lot of people that are out of the blue having these kinds of problems. I've seen a lot of it. I'm not ready to say it is the vaccine, but if the cardiologists are saying there's more of it, then you've got to wonder about it.

You've also got to wonder if it's COVID too. But PBCs, so again, premature ventricular contractions, are totally benign. I'm certain they gave you a beta blocker or something to try to stop it, and it probably didn't work. Right. try to stop it and it probably didn't work and right right and um and then they have to go in there and they have to map out where those extra weird beats are coming from and they ablate they burn that area of the heart so it doesn't create this abnormal electricity any longer and post inflammation is what can cause it so we know that the spike protein is causing inflammation in the heart so it makes some some you know a sense right it makes some, some, you know, a sense, right? It makes some sense.

So, and you're not alone. We're hearing a lot of this and the great news is the, you know, electrophysiologists are so good these days that that should be the end of it for you. I'm sorry to go through all that. What do you think about, is this something that people like myself should just hold on for, for the research in order for any kind of, you know, I mean, I don't know what my, my recourse is here, if there's any. You mean in terms of taking action against the vaccines or something? I don't know. Yeah, I guess. I don't think there's going to be anything like that because of the emergency use authorization.

But I do think that you should be prepared to look out for people asking for clinical histories in other words if you've had the following please call us do do so do so help us collect the data okay oh okay so so i want to jump on those any type of yeah okay anyway thank you so much but here's the deal you're gonna you're gonna be fine you're gonna be fine i i'm always shocked when they treat pbcs aggressively there there's a weird new idea in cardiology that if you have too many PBCs, it will cause a muscle dysfunction, like a muscle disorder, which is why they're a little more aggressive these days. She basically said that my heart would- Would give out, so to speak. Yeah, that's what they, I'm not sure how common that really is with PBCs. Back in my day, we didn't treat pvc's we just let them kind of go away on their own and they usually did or we put

you on a beta blocker and that was it um i didn't see a lot of long-term consequence from it although i'm sure it happens occasionally and why not take that away completely since we have ablation so i'm glad you did it i'm glad you did it okay okay all right thank you so much. MyTube Super Chat, any thoughts on meditation for mental health? 100%. You can follow Dan Siegel. He has a lot of stuff on mindfulness. He's sort of my go-to expert on this stuff. There's a bit of a problem with mindfulness generally that people don't talk about, which is that 20% of people get worse on it.

Now, people, friends of mine that are meditating specialists will always say, well, that's just a phase they go through. They'll eventually get through it and get better. I'm just reporting the data, such as it is. You can also try sort of guided meditation or hypnosis. Also very good. It's all very good for, amongst other things, anxiety and ocd type symptomatology but the mood and motivation all these things also can be helpful as well um mindfulness becomes rumination maybe um all right is this the guy you were talking about true uh that's dan siegel yeah okay i'll put it on the website

he is really actually one of my heroes, and you cannot go wrong with him. Let's get Stephanie up here, see what she's interested in talking about. Any procedures that cause a scar tissue can initially have a weaker area near scar tissue that can restrengthen over time. Just take it easy with slow cardio. Aaron, I don't know that that's true.

That's maybe true of skeletal muscle. You sure that's true of cardiac muscle? If you're a cardiologist, let me know, and I will take your word for it. Stephanie, unmute there, and let's hear your question. Yes, I have a question. I've been going through this for a while, and I know I am uh 53 and I had a um I'm I'm divorced and I have I had a younger boyfriend and I was I'm on birth control and I find myself with I went for two months where I had a very small period and I don't have that. I have extremely large periods where I have to wear

a period cup and, um, all right. So let me, I want to make sure I'm hearing you. You were on the birth control pill for how many years? Oh God. Like many years, a couple of years. Yeah. Many years. Okay. So I know how I, now you're off and you're having heavy bleeding. No, I, um, what happened was I, um, had sex with my boyfriend and, you know, he's like, yeah, you know, uh, you're on the birth control and we don't have to worry about getting pregnant. And suddenly I'm having like pregnancy issues, but I'm like, I am also quit having my period too. And, uh, the doctors, I don't, I take pregnancy tests and they come up negative. No, you're not pregnant. And I might, and they're saying I'm not pregnant. And my, it's now going on

where my stomach is growing. Okay. Have you had an ultrasound to see what's going on there? No, no, they refuse to do that. I didn't get no help. Well, that absolutely, that's not okay. That needs to happen. That needs to happen. This could be many, many, many different things. But some of them are serious, some of them are not, but you need a diagnosis. Any postmenopausal bleeding, any heavy bleeding later in life, that's kind of serious.

You've got to make sure it's not uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, this kind of stuff. Well, I've always had a heavy period throughout my life. So, um, it kind of surprised me. It just like after, after my boyfriend's like, you haven't, you haven't had a period in like forever. And I go, yeah, I know. And I'm getting, I'm getting no help. It can be a lot of things, but you need, where did you go to get care? I mean, that's ridiculous. I live in,

I'm yeah, I live in Nevada. I live in a place called Pahrump. It's an hour and a half from Vegas. Call my friend Heidi. She'll know where you should go. Heidi. Oh shoot.

I can't remember his last name. She lives there with you. You're going to Heidi. Heidi, Heidi, shoot, I can't remember Heidi's last name. Oh, God. She lives there with you. You're going to, Heidi, the, Heidi Madam, the Madam. Yeah, yeah. What's her name? Heidi Fleiss. Heidi Fleiss.

Heidi Fleiss. She lives right there with you. Yeah, I know. I'm to that point. I got, oh, you're doing fine. You give me at least solace in knowing that I have like a month and a half to go and I have movement and stuff. When I sleep, my friends said, hey, your stomach's moving like a pregnant woman's stomach. I'm like, oh, shiza. Oh, no, no. Oh, God.

But you've been seeing it's easy to rule out, right? You go test that at the grocery store or whatever. But here's the deal. You have to get this evaluated. This can be anything from nothing to endometrial cancer. There's all kinds of endometrial pathologies that can be eroding into the lining of your uterus. There can be growths and polyps. There can be, obviously, ovarian cancers and things. A lot of different things can be associated with this. So do get it checked out. This is Nadine.

Let's see what Nadine is interested in. Get her up here. Rumble is undergoing a massive attack. Wow. What kind of attack is that, Caleb? It's a denial of service attack. I'm not actually sure who's doing it this happens a lot to websites especially when they get into the public eye so they're trying to mitigate it apparently but that's probably why the chat isn't working right now on rumble well congratulations rumble you've made it you're there you're important people can start attacking your other maybe it's uh governments or whatever so we'll see. Nadine, you have to unmute and we'll see what's going on there. Good afternoon, Dr. Drew.

Nadine from Saskatchewan here. I don't know if you remember me. I hop on here quite a bit. Okay. I do remember some Saskatchewan calls. So go ahead. Husband's a physician? Oh, yes.

I do remember you. Yes, yes, yes. Go right ahead. I was wondering if you have seen or if your College of Physicians and Surgeons are doing the same thing where you are at. I believe you're in California. They have their own Ken Orms. However, Ontario College of Physicians was giving directions to doctors. I tweeted about it. Oh, I saw that. I remember that. Yes, I saw it. Yeah. So they're basically saying if you're against the vaccine or anxious about getting it, they're recommending that they drug or prescribe drugs or refer to psychiatry. Yes.

What are your thoughts on that? And do you think things like that completely destroys public trust into our healthcare institutions? Of course. This whole thing has been a complete catastrophe, mostly for public health, to be fair. They've been the ones that have really been overreaching. But it's really coming into focus that we will look at this the way, say, we look at the opioid epidemic now or the tobacco use and the way tobacco was endorsed by the medical profession i mean there's so many examples of this over the years and he you know i i just you're what you just told me really reminds me of the end of the

opioid pandemic when they really started getting ridiculous remember when pain was the fifth vital sign pain controls what the patient says it is you don't need a doctor you just need the patient to pick with the pharmacist what medicine he or she needs it was killing patients at a rate that was unbelievable and the when when the medical societies got involved with it that's when but it still went on for a couple years after that to be fair it really wasn't until somebody took aggressive actions to reverse it that was mostly in this country. By the end of the opioid pandemic, we were prescribing 90% of the Vicodin on the planet Earth.

And the pain people, which would be much like your medical society referring people to a psychiatrist for vaccine hesitancy, the pain people felt absolutely self-righteous and that they were completely in the right and this was God's work they were doing. And I'm sure that the people that are overreaching in your medical society have the exact same attitude about this. The idea that they're using psychiatry, I just can't even believe that, to what exactly would the psychiatric pathology be, anxiety disorder, I mean, okay, if somebody has an anxiety disorder, they should maybe be treated if they're motivated to be, that's not going to change their cognitive functioning around vaccines, and it has the ring of, it definitely has the ring of, what did they used to do in China?

What did they call them during the Cultural Revolution? Somebody help me with this. I'll look on the stream here. They had these re-acculturations or they had these camps where they would send people for, please somebody help me on the restream. It was a famous and awful period of history during the cultural revolution. Re-education camps? Re-education camps. They were like re-education camps.

And this has that ring to it. This has that ring to it. That's how far we've gone, everybody. That's where we are. I have a question. Yeah. How do you stop it? How do you affect change when it's coming straight down from the

College of Physicians? How do we as patients, as the public, hold them accountable and say enough's enough and get changed? Do you know? I wish I knew an answer. My little sort of attempt is just helping people get access to information that they're having trouble getting access to and trying to help process it with them. That's my little role at present. I don't know what else we do. I suspect in this country, it's going to be the courts. That's what did it. It was actually the Department of Justice that stopped the pandemic in our country. I'm guessing the courts are going to have some role in this at some point, though I would hope the legislatures would get involved because at some point they have to solve the excesses that are granted to the public health departments or public health bureaucracies. It's excessive and it needs to be curtailed, or at least it needs to have a process to it.

It's completely out of control, and this is a great example of that. You know, it breaks my heart because one of my proudest achievements is a fellowship at the American College of Physicians. I'm also a fellow at the American Board of Addiction Medicine. But somehow that ACP one really is deeply meaningful for me. Thankfully, they have not gone wild like that, the way the local authorities have in Saskatchewan. But that's really, it kind of hurts me. I'm sure your husband has broken up about it, right? Well, it wasn't in our province yet. I'm actually going to be digging into our province and see exactly what they're putting out. He's seen many things come through email. I remember once there was a group chat with doctors that my husband was a part of, and

it was when mask exemptions were being a thing. And I remember the doctor saying, I'm not giving out any mask exemption. If they have issues with masks, I'll prescribe them whatever drugs necessary. And I keep thinking, I have severe vasovagal syncope that puts me in a chair wheelchair sometimes so any heat uh causes me to faint so I have I have a mask exemption but I would be the kind of people if I went to see a doctor that they would do everything they possibly can to make me think I'm insane that this is in my head and they some have tried that um prior to this but it's it's clearly a physiological thing i i who wants to be in a wheelchair i know but you know what's really interesting to me and you you're canadian and the excesses up there to any of you are not around the world

we're pretty aware of in in america the excesses that have been going on up there but i find it it's interesting to me that these excesses that have been perpetrated by these governments, the continued emergency states, the excessive authority centralized in these public health officials, many of which have no clinical training, has caused people it and so and a lot of the excesses are seen to be coming from people with sort of left-leaning uh sort of or their left-leaning leaders and it's interesting to me that instead of everybody's there seems to be that people are running the other side of the boat but they're not going to the right they're going to libertarianism and sort of freedom fighting which i it's very just interesting to me that that the issue of freedom has become sort of front and center as a result of all this.

Is that what you're seeing up there too? Yeah, like our institution, whether it's medical, social services, teachers are all very left leaning, all business, small business owners. I get it. We're watching you guys and we can see it. But again, as opposed to a swell of a conservative movement, it seems like what's on people's mind, and I don't even know if it's a political movement yet, I just hear a lot of it, is talks about freedom and freedom fighting. I just hear it. I hear it a lot. And I'm'm just making note of it it's just interesting to me that that's where people are going I don't know that it's obvious that you predict that thanks Nadine I got to try to get two more calls up here if I can appreciate it

very much Kayvon has been very patiently waiting here I'll try to get him in here Kayvon what's going on I'll let you get up here and give you a chance again there's a little delay here and on the restream what do you guys think about that what do you think of that observation am i am i seeing something true there that uh it's just so interesting that that this topic of freedom is is i'm actually interviewing Michael Malice tomorrow. I don't know when that's going to go up on the Dr. Drew podcast. Oh, oh.

I didn't know you, oh, okay. I thought you were going to be on his show. Okay, that's going to be very interesting. Well, I could be on his show. He would probably like that, but he's flying out from Austin to do the interview

because I asked for him because I heard him on Lex, oh crap, what's Lex's last name, Friedman, Lex Friedman's show. And I, and I, I instinctively, I don't want to use too strangle language. I don't like the idea of, um, of, um, gosh, my brain, we're getting late in the game here. Uh, anarchy. I don't like anarchism. I don't like it at all. I don't like the people that have espoused anarchism. I'm really very against it. And I was listening to Michael Malice on Lex Friedman's show. And I thought, Oh, I agree with everything he says. Maybe it's not what I thought it was. Um, I got to get him in and question him. He's got some really interesting ideas, really interesting thoughts.

Uh, do you follow him, his show Caleb? No, I'm just, I'm just familiar with him, uh, from seeing him on live streams and especially that very large live stream that I always refer to from, I believe it was much earlier this year, late last year with Tim pool and you know, uh, Joe Rogan and all of the people were kind of Alex. Well, yeah. Alex Jones. I was gonna. Yeah. Yeah. He had a weird group on. Yeah. I know he was pretty much the most amazing live stream I was going to. Tim Pool had a weird group on. I know he was. It was pretty much the most amazing live stream I've ever seen because just sitting there for probably

20-30 minutes with all of these people there, the most viewers I'd ever seen for a live event and also I could just have counted at least $20,000 in super chats popping up just in that little space of time I was watching. Some very dedicated people. Do you want Mike on this stream? We can get him, no problem. $20,000 in super chats popping up just in that little space of time I was watching. So some very dedicated people. Do you want Malice? Do you want Mike on this stream? We can get him, no problem.

Sure. Yeah. Lex is also for sure. Lex, I've been trying to get. I've been listening to all of his pods. Very interesting dude. I do think he's a beta for a robot. He's not a real human. Kavan, I'm going to, Malice gives him crap like about that. And I'm going to share that with him. Kavan, go ahead and unmute your mic down lower left-hand corner.

Let's hear what you got. We can only go so long waiting for you, my friend. I can put you back in the audience. It's just's a microphone the lower left hand corner and uh you can while they're figuring that out do you want to answer this one because i think it's interesting this person had posted about tramadol okay uh hospital nurses are telling patients and family members that tramadol is not addictive uh read the prescribing information yes tramadol is a weak opiate, much like kratom. I have seen very serious problems with both.

I'm actually taking a call as soon as I get off the phone here about a kratom problem, really seriously addicted. And tramadol, I've seen people, mostly what I've seen from tramadol is people with opiate addiction being given tramadol, told it's not addictive, and not understanding why their whole disease gets re-triggered after they get on tramadol. In fact, I took care of a physician, a doctor who was an opiate addict,

had been doing well in recovery, and suddenly had this major relapse. And I was like, I don't understand why you relapse. Everything's going well. You were doing what you're supposed to do. And I really went over carefully what had happened and found out that two months before, a peer put him on tramadol for some knee pain or something,

which is unconscionable. And that was probably in the late 80s, early 90s, before the opiate thing really took off. Yep, my old doc told me benzos weren't addictive. I should try them. I dropped that idiot. Yeah, benzos are severely addictive. Now, I'm not saying that you can't take them for periods of time. You can very carefully, but if you have addictive pathology,

it will trigger all of that. Kayvon, are you in there? Okay, my friend, I'm sorry. I've got to remove you from the platform. I'm going to bring up Susan Pinsky, invite her to speak and see if she has anything to add to this conversation. Oh, she refused? That can't be. Wow. She's dissing us. She's refusing. All right, let me bring Matt up here. Matt, go ahead. Hey, Dr. Drew, can you hear me? I got you. What's up? Hey, thanks for everything you do. I really appreciate you kind of iron out the details and just you know not trying to be on one side or

the other you know i'm really not i'm really just trying to figure it all out with the rest of us uh but there's a lot there's a lot to be told we were not told everything i was not told everything i couldn't figure out i just kept shaking my head why why what was happening was happening now it's slowly getting clear slowly getting clear, slowly getting clear. Yeah. I mean, I'll admit, you know, during the beginning of the pandemic, I heard what you were saying, and I was like, I can't believe he's saying that stuff. And then I, you know, you backtracked a little bit, and you kind of, I realized, you know, you're really, you know, just trying to stick to the facts and trying to get to the truth. And I really appreciate that. Well, Matt, what you saw, unfortunately, what I was trying to do, I saw the panic.

I could see the panic, and I could see people who had no business having an opinion demanding certain actions. People who'd never heard of these things before was demanding suddenly what we needed to do. I knew that was going to be a problem. I knew it would hurt people. I knew it would be a problem. I knew it would hurt people. I knew it'd be a disaster. And so my mistake was I tried to compare it to try to get people to calm down to H1N1, which killed 300,000 people and no one even knew it happened. And I kept saying, look, this could kill a million people, could kill too many people. But there was one that was 25% of that. And you don't know it happened. Do we have to go from not knowing it's happening to destroying society for this one?

Or is there some intermediate zone we could get into? And so that was my argument. And the part that everybody, again, when something goes viral on social media, it's never what you say. It's what somebody says you said. And so at the end of every comment, I always made sure I said, listen, just listen to the CDC and let Anthony Fauci be your North Star. I've been listening to that guy since the AIDS pandemic. He helped me out greatly. Has many times been a really great source of

information. So just let him be your North Star. Listen to the CDC. We'll be fine. Well, of course, they got adulterated by the craziness. Yeah, and I think we lack that in America, at least. You know, doctors who, instead of just looking at the book, you know, try and put the pieces of the puzzle together themselves. You know, I guess that's what you do as an internist, you know?

You are, but we were forbidden from doing that. That was the first thing I noticed, that, oh my God, we don't, my peers, 80% of our peers are employees, and they've stopped doing that. They've started taking direction from on high and following pathways and all these ridiculous sort of bureaucratic, they become bureaucrats. And so thinking for themselves became dangerous and they froze. I'd never seen that before. I'd never seen doctors stop doing their job on a mass scale like that. That was deeply disturbing to me. Yeah. I went through i went through another one question i did call in about was medical related just real quick um i i've gone through honestly a terrible experience medically the past two years about two years ago this month uh uh honestly i just had a i was taking doxycycline for some inflammation in a right testicle okay i was on it for a month this

might be totally unrelated. Okay, so let's break it down. So you had epididymitis, right? That's what they used Doxy for. That's what they deemed it to be. So you had Doxy for a month. Go ahead. Yep, I had a hydrocele as well.

I was on it for about a month. After about a month, I started getting this pain in my right jaw, kind of like in the lymph node area or salivary gland area, self-mandibular area. And I'm like oh yeah this i thought maybe it was the doxycycline i stopped taking it that pain didn't really go away um and then i i ever since then i've been on a huge journey they did an ultrasound they're like oh your salivary gland and your lymph node right there is a little swollen but we'll put you on some antibiotics it'll clear you up we like two, three different antibiotics over the course of months. It kept getting worse and worse.

The pain spread to my face, down the right side of my throat. And then, you know, I went to two different ENTs, even a John Hopkins ENT once. They're telling me, oh,

you know, my salivary gland is probably clogged and we need to widen it. And I'm like, no, that doesn't sound right to me. It does. It does sound that way to me, I got to tell you. It's the first thing I thought of was either a stone or a stenosis there.

It gets worse. So then after several more months, it spreads to the back of my neck. And I have it on the same right side of my neck. It muscles tight. It feels like a strained muscle back there. And it almost feels like the pain is going through my head from the back and you're off the doxycycline at this point right yeah yeah yeah for a long time yeah okay and um nobody can figure it out i go to two emts neurologist neurologist tells me it's

just a glass of pharyngeal neuralgia and occipital neuralgia. And it's only one side it's chronic. And now it's kind of like mid back as well. And it's like pins and needles. And, you know, I've just been on this hectic and I've realized, you know, no doctor,

they just go by the book here, take some neurotin and, and, and, and see, they know they don't want to get to the solution, the source of the problem. You know,

I've had CT scans. They all look normal. I've had CT scans. They all look normal. I've had tons of blood tests from rheumatologists. All that came out fine because my mom's got Crohn's and diverticulitis. My sister has Crohn's. My mom has rheumatoid arthritis. So I thought maybe it was an autoimmune thing, but no, everything's fine with that. So like a writer's syndrome or something?

Is that what you were thinking? Yeah, I don't know i just anything and and so i haven't seen an internist but do you have any other direction do you think i should go in with this did you have an mri and if you did of what yeah i had an mri of my brain um and cervical as well i didn't have the whole spine so two brain and cervical spine, right? Yeah. Did they also get images of your salivary glands and neck? In a CT

scan, John Hopkins did as well, yeah. And is there a reason they did a CT and not an MR? I did both. No, no, but the MR you got of the central nervous system, but did you get it also of the neck, the soft tissue in the neck? The MRI?

No, I did not. All right. So that's something I kind of would want just to kind of complete things. And you know what? I think I would – this is going to sound goofy, but given how – well, it still could be the clogged salivary gland. I mean, you'd be surprised how inflammation can fly around that region. It can get pretty nasty. So that's still on the table okay um so just kind of put that on the side i think what i would see just me what i would have you do is see a neurosurgeon because

they think of things that cause neuralgia that the neurologist doesn't actually think of that things can be done for you know know, surgeons like doing things. And so there may be some, he may have some, he or she may have some ideas on what they could do. So I would, so there's sort of three ideas

that you can kind of pursue any way you wish. And whatever order you wish, one is to make sure that there's a soft tissue MR, the neck, so all that is imaged, that you see a neurosurgeon who's willing to sit and listen, who's willing to think about things, which is really, that's what you're complaining about. You're really not complaining about doctors getting to the source. You're complaining that

they don't sit, listen carefully, and really think about things. And I would tell you as somebody that I taught a lot of physicians. I mean, I taught medicine. I taught psychiatry. I did a lot of teaching. That was the number one problem. They either didn't know how to think or they couldn't prioritize the patient enough to care to think. Or would sort of – they had a third mode, which was I'm not going to figure this out anyway, so let's do the best I can. Let's do something provisional and move on. They just – you need somebody to sit and really think about this and i think a neurosurgeon might have that kind of capacity to be thinking anatomically about that

region okay i really appreciate it that sounds like a great idea so there's three three things don't forget neck yeah three things you you might do one and if none of the if this you know soft tissue neck yields nothing and the mr and the surgeon yields nothing and bring your mrs with you if you can when you see him or her and then you want to go back to the salivary gland and see about the duct because you don't get weird stuff in the salivary duct and it can cause all kinds of weird stuff okay yeah all right i really appreciate it thank you good luck man all right thanks yeah that's it that's a really common problem caleb suffered for a year because somebody didn't sit and think about what was going on for him. And I wasn't putting that.

You have to activate that brain, right? And so I knew you were around us, but I wasn't thinking that way. I just thought, okay, well, they're taking care of him. It's such a slow process. Getting his humor or whatever and Remicade. It's a slow process. It's very easy to think about. If you just think about why is this kid in bed all day?

Huh, he's got Crohn's. I bet he has a psoas abscess. And by the way, he's got Crohn's. I bet he has a psoas abscess. And by the way, he can't lift his legs up. He definitely has a psoas abscess. You'd take three minutes, you'd figure that out. Oh my God. I was more upset than you know about all that. Oh yeah, when it all came out,

like what was actually going on, and it's a crazy thing because once you're on pain medication and it's starting to disguise the actual issue that's going on. It's really covering it up and just letting you keep working and keep going. Well, not covering it up, but also you're also thinking, that's it, I'm done, I'm on medication or whatever. I guess I just got to deal with this. So, all right, let me look at some of these comments here. What is going on with these people? It was quite bizarre. He did not really describe the uh yeah he did not really describe tmj syndrome that really is not what he's talking about um yep that's right it was chris you are right though about the clock cell there glenn it can really can cause inflammation all over the place uh opioid

why are you getting defensive about that what are you guys talking about who's aaron howell uh i like getting talked down to i haven't studied medicine for more than a decade uh who is aaron howell do we know something going on in the stream here aaron howell uh okay i i can't go any further up wait. Good form of psychology medicine for reducing the symptoms of algorithmic reduction or reductionism. Playing good music. Yep. Aaron Howell, to your point, long walks and classical music measure adequately, well, reasonably against antidepressant medication.

So to your point that we run to medication in psychiatry and in this country especially more than we should completely agree not that it doesn't sometime is sometimes required and sometimes very helpful i'm just saying that point that there are there are non-medicinal ways to approach things particularly when it's the brain yes yes and yes um oh b-man so I'm saying the same thing. Okay, fine. You love medical mysteries, Alana. Medical mysteries are okay, but I hate them because they often end up unsatisfying

for the patient. So I don't like that. Oh my gosh, we're back on Rumble Rants. I've just come over there to see you guys. So thank you for joining us. Kubang. It's almost exclusively previously addicted people who try to use Kratom to come off, blah, blah, blah. Yes, it is people with addiction who get strung out on

Kratom, not everybody. Uh, and, but those, those are the ones that tend to like it surprisingly. And they think they're taking something that's a supplement and they get themselves into trouble. That's usually the story. Uh, uh, uh, oh, you guys, um, I'm not allowed to speak to your H medication and I medication facts. IED, I did talk about at the beginning today. You must have missed the opening of today's stream. Let's see what else. I want to just give you guys a chance to react to you because the chat hasn't been working. Yogurt is good for stomach bacteria.

No, it is good for colonic bacteria. Stomach doesn't really have bacteria because of the acid content. It's mostly hydrochloric acid and bacteria don't live there really for the most part. Kimchi, blah, blah, blah. Okay, I think I, uh, uh, uh. Okay, there you go. So I went through you guys' stuff. I'm going to go through the restream and then we're going to kind of wrap things up here in a minute.

Caleb, any questions for you now that we're sort of winding down? Yeah, yeah. I was actually just thinking of a question that I've had on my mind recently. Wait, before you ask, I just want to hang out real quick. SheHP said, my dad had this kind of jaw pain, radiating towards the ear. He was given a local cortisone shot. Yes, that had this kind of jaw pain, radiating towards the ear. He was given a local cortisone shot. Yes, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking about. And that's what

neurosurgeons give for neuralgias, which is one of the reasons I sent him to a neurosurgeon. But go ahead. What you been thinking about, Caleb? Go ahead. So I think this actually connects with what we were just talking about with Crohn's disease and then the pain medication and all of that. So I've actually, it's also an addiction question, I guess, too. I've never had a problem with opioids before. As you'll remember, and people who follow the show will remember, that they put me on some very strong Percocets for almost a year before my Crohn's disease surgeries.

And then afterward, I followed the tapering directions. I was totally fine. And immediately after that, I didn't want any, even after all that time being on Percocets. So however, I mean, I guess that gives me the idea that I don't think I have an addiction problem with it because I just, I haven't needed it at all. However, while I was in the hospital, they were running an IV of something called Dilaudid. I think, yeah, Dilaudid. You like that?

I've never felt like I need to have more of this stuff. But every time on the show, and you've said it a few times, every time you say the name Dilaudid, I feel warmer. Like I sit up a little bit straighter in my chair. I snap over and look at the screen. It's almost like my body is having these fond memories of that time, this horrible time when I was in the hospital. So it's what happened in those 10 days that changed that where I'm not so so so here's the deal doing right so so it's it's activating so there's a wanting system and a liking system in the brain right there are different different regions and different distinct systems the

liking system includes a system that's for many people experienced as what they will call like a warm blanket like that like love like almost maternal love like nothing they felt since at any other point in their life as deep and profound as this love-like feeling or this they'll have all kinds of ways of describing it um people can get that feeling without getting addicted to something. So that's you. And it's so reinforcing. It's so powerfully reinforcing, which is, again, kind of a condition thing, not an addiction thing. It's so reinforcing that just bringing it up brings back that positive feeling.

It's literally a conditioned response. And if you were an addict, imagine if you were an addict imagine yeah yeah imagine if you were an addict and the and the wanting system was completely out of whack and you wanted it as as bad as you like it or maybe more than you like it imagine what that would be like now and you're every day that's all you can think about i i just and by the way in addiction addiction the wanting and the and the liking system collude with each other. Right. Right?

So the liking system is going, yeah, I need that. The wanting system, yeah, you need it. Go get it. The wanting system jacks it up until you like it more. And so it just keeps escalating. It's really an awful disease. Opioids particularly. It's such a bizarre feeling because I remember I had to go to the hospital that first time in March of 2020.

And then I had to go back in like six months later when something came back. And I remember it was when I was heading to the hospital, I was thinking, God, I wish I didn't have to go back to the hospital, but at least they're going to give me Dilaudid again. I guess there's one positive thing to this horrible thing, having to go back to the hospital.

I've never wanted it after that, but I'm just like, at least I have it's liking liking a lot like liking it and it really has a deep kind of attachment associated with it but imagine i i have patients that uh i think i tell the story because he's told it publicly is it tom arnold yeah tom told me the story that he was in a motorcycle accident he was already he was sober a the story that he was in a motorcycle accident. He was already, he was sober a long time and had gotten a severe accident, was lying in the street and heard the ambulance coming and thought only to himself, oh, this is going to be awesome. This is going to be fantastic. I'm going to get morphine right away. I can't wait. I can't wait.

Not thinking about the condition he's in, anything else. Just this is going to be awesome. It was like that moment of relief on my way to the hospital that time i'm just like well at least this is going to happen amongst all these horrible things but it's in and so is are you saying that it's it's the the drug itself is doing that or is it also mixing with something in my brain of i was in so much pain for a year then i go there and then the pain goes away. And so it's not treating. It may, that may have something to do with why it's so powerfully present now. Right. It's literally called negative reinforcement when you take away it. Negative reinforcement is technically taking away a positive, right? So taking away a negative is sort of a relief.

I don't know what they i don't know what the conditioning paradigm is formally but you can see how that would be a powerful conditioning paradigm so you have this very powerful experience associated with taking away negative input again this is all just sort of these primitive mechanisms neurologically that all animals have right mammals have right which is conditioning phenomenon but those are separate from the dependency from the liking, from the liking, and from the wanting associated with addiction. They're all different things. I can smell it right now. I smell it. I feel it warm and I can smell it. Stop talking about it. It's so weird.

You may run out and get some street drugs. Come on now. Stop talking about it. So weird. All right. Let's see if Susan Pinsky wants to come back up here again. Hold on. I'm going to give her one more invite to speak, and then we're going to kind of wrap this thing up. Give me a second here. I'm going to watch your restream here, everybody. All right, everybody. I think we ought to wrap up here uh we'll be back next week it's going to be another kind of little bit weird schedule no we'll actually

back on tuesday uh the great ryan holiday in here ryan is a good friend he's uh created a cottage industry out of cottage industry out of stoic philosophy has a new book out called discipline is destiny i think, I think, something like that. I've been reading it. It's quite good. I dig it. And then on Wednesday, we have Dr. Spiro Pententzos.

Whoops. Oh, Susan came in. Hi, Susan. You want to talk? Bonjour. Comment ça va? I'm getting my eyelashes done and Emily was trying to figure out how to use the Twitter spaces. So now she'll be coming on the show next time. Okay. Well, good.

So you're talking here to the audience. Anything to add? My eyes shut, and I can't see anything because she's gluing little lashes on. I don't know. We need to know all that. But is there anything you want to add to the conversation before I wrap up? I do want to talk about our GenuCell

packages. Okay. Since I'm getting beauty treatments right now. Okay, go ahead. Did Caleb make a little banner of the different items that are in our packages for GenuCell? Caleb, Mrs. Pinsky doing her job here all the time producing. Go ahead. I'm going doing her job here all the time, producing.

Go ahead. I'm going to pull it up on the screen right now. Okay. She's going to do it. Yeah, I have specific items that I really like. Well, I noticed that because you've taken over my bathroom. Susan has moved all her stuff into my bathroom because her bathroom is getting painted,

and there's Genycel products all over my sink and not the stuff that I use either. So I saw a little example of your display. So there it is. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So explain your package because they are different. Well, there's hers and there's mine. Mostly my thing is about getting the red out and getting the whatever under the eyes.

Okay. So, Caleb, tell everybody what the... It's up there. They can see it. He's putting it on the stream. They can go to doctor.com, right? And they are 50% off the usual price. So, you get a really good deal if you buy the package.

All right. Well, thank you i particularly like the um the firming serum that has vitamin c the hyaluronic acid that has lactic acid the retinol cream and then the um xl and then the under eye lightning cream and then drew likes the we're looking at it we're looking at it while you're talking about it you you like the one for um the cream for redness. But what was in your package? I can't remember.

Oh, let's go up. Because I like the under eye cream and the red stuff in the jar. Those are my two things. So the rest of it is the serums. And I like them. Yes, they do. Okay, Susan, thank you. So everybody check it out.

Go to dot TV dot com slash gin and salt to let you go and check those packages out they're a really good deal okay thank you for stopping by bye bye sorry so I saw something here oh wait here's a android purity wants to give us a gave us a

super chat says any recommendations for central MD neurosurgeon um what is what do you mean central md neurosurgeon i'm not sure what that means you mean like for a i don't know a central part of the country or central part of the central nervous system i'm not quite sure what you're looking for there uh so please do follow up with that um yeah janice says i was able to work 10-hour shifts when I was on Norco. No more pain. Yeah.

Well, some people, when you go up on an opiate, it usually means that's not good. Most people that don't have a problem with opiates kind of go down on them, typically. That's not necessarily true. But it's often at least the oral opiates I've noticed. So many addictable people. Caleb saying, zero opioids since? Yep. So I didn't see the follow-up from my person looking for the neurosurgeon.

All right, you guys. So we're going to wrap this up. So we talked. Let me finish the schedule. As I said, that's Dr. Kelly's, Victoryories guest on Wednesday, and then we'll do calls again on Thursday. So Ryan Holiday and his new book and his Stoic Philosophy and Why It's Important in Today's World, and then Dr. Pantazosos, I can never pronounce his name. And I got to be honest, I can't remember. Did she tell us exactly what the topic was? Was it another women's health?

I'm not quite sure yet. I just got that note earlier today. I don't remember. I remember when she brought his name up. It intrigued me greatly what they were talking about, but I don't remember exactly what it was. Okay. So thank you all for being here. And again, we're going to have to travel tomorrow. So it'll be next Tuesday at three o'clock. We will see you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis, or treatment. This show is intended for educational and informational purposes only. I am a licensed physician, but I am not a replacement for your

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