Ask Dr. Drew - Indoctrinated Brains: Dr. Michael Nehls Reveals Lithium Effects On Long COVID & Tactics To Resist Neurological Warfare – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 312

Episode Date: January 20, 2024

“Michael Nehls has written a provocative book arguing that the COVID-19 generation in particular will ultimately be deficient in memory and cognition, due to the combination of brainwashing and toxic exposures,” writes Stephanie Seneff, senior research scientist at MIT, about Dr. Nehl’s book “The Indoctrinated Brain.” Dr. Michael Nehls is a physician and molecular geneticist specializing in immunology. As a basic researcher, he deciphered the genetic causes of dozens of hereditary diseases at German and international research institutions. Two of his discoveries were published in collaboration with two Nobel Prize winners. For his pioneering findings on Alzheimer’s disease development, prevention, and therapy, he was awarded the Hanse Prize for Molecular Psychiatry by the Rostock University Hospital. Dr. Nehls is the author of “The Indoctrinated Brain: How to Successfully Fend Off the Global Attack on Your Mental Freedom”. Follow him at https://x.com/NehlsMD and find more at https://michael-nehls.com 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW for a huge discount at https://drdrew.com/cozy • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And I've been rather preoccupied with this topic for a while. I have been thinking a lot about indoctrination and about brainwashing and propaganda. And it gets to the point where it's hard to know who to believe, right? There's a lot going on and they're all vying for your attention and attempting to persuade you. And Dr. Nels, in his book, makes the case there is something even more problematic going on.

He calls it neurological warfare. Please welcome Dr. Michael Nels. Hey. Hello, Drew. Welcome. more problematic going on he calls neurological warfare please welcome Dr Michael Nels hey hello true welcome man thank you very much for the invitation I feel honored thank you yeah it's our privilege so you know your background you you're a physician you've done work in Alzheimer's disease you're a you're a specialized in genetics and immunology or molecular genetics what what led you down this road? What was happening that got you to write this book? Well, there are many things.

First of all, I was working very hard in the last 15 years on Alzheimer's disease, as you already mentioned, particularly what is the cause of the disease. And I discovered that not what is usually said, that age is actually the major cause of Alzheimer's. It's quite contrary. Age is actually quite good for us because we become more wise when we age. Unless, of course, our autobiographical memory center, which is called the hippocampus, is not working right. And I know from my research now that Alzheimer's can be prevented by 100%. So age is not the cause, age is just

something that is required because it takes a few decades usually, four or five or six to develop the disease. And what I learned about Alzheimer's is that we can prevent it by keeping a lifestyle that is more natural, more close to our natural needs. And we were far off the natural needs already before 2020. And I wrote a book about this before this one. It is called The Exhausted Brain, where I show that the mental energy that we need for thinking, for being curious, for having a strong psychological resilience, which all together with our memory center, which contains all the information that we

have stored over our lifetime, that all this together is our mental immune system. And this was decaying already before 2020. And one of the consequences of this decay is a rise in depression rates and a rise in Alzheimer's rates and the depression rates according to the World Health Organization were like highest ever recorded in summer 2019 and then the measures came in 2020 and they were going completely in the wrong direction. And I already explained in my previous book, we will see a huge rise in depression rates. We will see a huge rise in Alzheimer's rates. And that's actually what's happening.

And that made me curious because on the one side, we want to save people by these measures. The other side we we throw them in in a disaster and this is just the tip of an iceberg i mean depression rates and all times are just the tip of an iceberg of a society that whose brains are not functioning very well and that's maybe even the reason why all these strange measures in 2020 were accepted. But then we were even more of the cause 2020, which led us to accept even more strange measures like the injection program of the mRNA. Totally experimental, no sane person would actually accept that. And from my research in immunology, and particularly also on Alzheimer's, I realized that Alzheimer's is essentially a disease which is caused by neuroinflammation.

And it was already known from SARS-CoV-1, the virus which tried to make a pandemic in 2002 and 2003. And papers were published then three or four years later, they showed that the spike protein is quite able to cause inflammation of the brain, neuroinflammation, and that this new inflammation causes our autobiographical memory to shrink. And that, of course, is not a good thing. So the measures in 2020 advanced the shrinkage of our autobiographical memory center. And then it was even further advanced by the spike protein that was now not only delivered by the virus, but also by this mRNA program. And this together gave me the creeps. I was immediately aware that this can't be true

unless there's something else going on. And if you look at the people who actually try to convince us that this is really important, that we actually follow the rules, that we accept everything that is done to us, these are the people who actually advance something which we call the Great Reset. And it was totally clear that the Great Reset aims at something that is so far away from what people would accept unless they are kind of extremely brainwashed. And now if you look at the hippocampus, our autobiographical memory center, if you really destroy its functionalities, and we go maybe more in depth on that, then you actually get into a situation where people accept essentially everything. And when you look at this program, this reset program, it's almost like a

new operating system that is installed into the brains of people. And as you know from computers, if you install a new operating system, you have to first destroy the previous one. You have to reformat the hard drive. And as I describe in my book, with the measures taken in 2020 and even more in 21 when this mrna program was introduced all together essentially achieved exactly that you erase essentially former memories and you replace them with the narratives that we are forced to memorize so okay a lot packed into that um have you documented the hippocampus shrinking across adulthood? And I ask that question because I have seen documentation of a relatively significant,

I don't want to say pandemic, incidents of shrinkage of hippocampus in young adults due to childhood trauma. In this country in particular, that is terribly common. Have you controlled for that in what you observe? I have a million other questions too, but that's my first one. Yeah, sure. First of all, there are lots of studies out, large studies out, where we have data of the hippocampus size over the lifetime of people or on different lifetimes. The largest study was from the biobank in England where approximately 20,000 English people,

the hippocampus was measured on different lifetimes and we know that the hippocampus shrinkage rate is about 1.5 percent starting in adulthood of course the shrinkage is absolutely unnormal because if they call it normal but it's unnatural and because we know if we change the lifestyle we can measure an increase very quickly so because hippocampus is a unique feature to grow. What you are mentioning, of course, the shrinkage already in childhood, in early on, is what we call post-traumatic stress syndrome. And in the post-traumatic stress syndrome, actually the natural or the feature that we find in the brain is specifically a shrinkage of the hippocampus. That's actually its unique feature. Yeah. Right.

We got a lot of that over here. And then you've mentioned lifestyle and inflammation. So I want to dig into that a little more. And then there's a corollary question there, which I'll try to tag on at the end of this. So I'm guessing when you say inflammation, are you talking about microvascular inflammation and damage done that way? Or is there actually immune migration into some component of the neuronal or microglial system? So that's one question. What kind of inflammation are we talking about here?

And I'm guessing being overweight, American diet in particular, sedentary lifestyle, these are all risk factors for either of those, frankly, but particularly the microvascular, overweight, American diet in particular, sedentary lifestyle. These are all risk factors for either of those, frankly, but particularly the microvascular would seem to me. And then I want to tag on the final. Well, you answer those first, and I'll have a follow-on to whatever you say here. Yeah, sure.

So actually it's both, and it's very hard to differentiate between the two because inflammation is everywhere in a sense. If we eat wrong, if we eat, for example, too much carbohydrates, we get these advanced glycation end products. They stimulate the receptor for those, the receptor of advanced glycation end products. Interestingly, abbreviated as RAGE. It's really a RAGE of the immune system, pro-inflammatory. We have the inflammation in our vessels, which essentially cause arteriosclerosis, which is one form of dementia. It could come out of this, which I call vascular dementia.

But then we have the other form of dementia, which is caused by a destruction and non-function of the hippocampus. I call this one hippocampal dementia. It's the majority of cases, even though they're both so related and they actually support each other. So it's almost like a death cycle between them. So vascular dementia, of course, causes a blood flow to be diminished to the hippocampus, and that's not good. The other side is the Alzheimer's toxin, which is produced when the hippocampus is shrinking. This one, of course, causes also inflammation in the vessels, which essentially activates the vascular dementia issue. So both are essentially there,

but if you want to differentiate the two, then we have more cases of Alzheimer's than of vascular dementia. But since both have the same origin based on a lifestyle that is unhealthy, it really doesn't matter at the end. But to your second question, the inflammation itself, when I talk about neuroinflammation, I mean the inflammation that is caused by the activation of cells in the brain, which we call microglia, and the microglia gets activated.

Microglia, for example, has a receptor which sees microorganisms that have invaded the brain. There's even a receptor for the spike, TLR4 it's called. And TLR4 actually sees the spike protein, activates the microglia, which are the macrophages or the immune cells of the brain. And by this activation, clean up cells, but at the same time, recognizers of an attack of the brain by microorganisms. And they see the spike protein. And of course, when they see the spike protein, they have essentially the readout,

okay, we have a coronavirus infection of the brain. And consequently, they start a pro-inflammatory process. And the pro-inflammatory process leads to a production of pro-inflammatory cytokines like interleukin-1, interleukin-6, and a couple of others. And we know that these cytokines inhibit the production of new nerve cells in the hippocampus. And this production of new nerve cells is highly necessary that the hippocampus maintains its function. For example, we are curious. For example, that we have a high level of resilience.

And I have even shown that this production of new nerve cells is required that we can actually remember our own thoughts. They are the mental energy required for deep thinking, for alternatives thinking, for thinking at all. So if you cut down the production of these nerve cells by creating neuroinflammation, then you not only have brain fog, which is one of the outcomes, which are now known as long COVID, post-COVID, or post-VAC, which are all called spicopathy. But a spicopathy essentially is an activation of the microglia with the result that the hippocampus is harmed. And then we harm not only our memory center or the ability to memorize things, what we also essentially harm is our ability to think, our ability to be curious.

We reduce our psychological resilience. And we see the result. We see in 2021, for example, there was an analysis from the german alzheimer's society and they compared the numbers from 2018 into 2021 the cases of new cases of alzheimer's in germany and we had a rise by 31 and this rise was not only of course that we have more cases in the age group 65 plus which is natural or not natural but the normal time it takes for alzheimer's to develop because these measures and despite protein are so harmful and causing the neuroinflammation we have also an acceleration of the disease process. So the first time we had of these almost 430,000 new cases in 21 in Germany, 100,000 of those were below the age of 65,

clearly showing that not age is the cause, but what was done to the population. Okay, so my follow-on question, we're going to talk after this question about prevention. But my following question is in terms of the reset. The people that are commonly associated with this reset do not look to me like people who are avoiding the hippocampal shrinkage for a variety of reasons. They're overweight. They're sedentary. They're not the picture of fitness.

They've been taking, they're advocating for the vaccine. They've allegedly taken the boosters. They've had COVID. Who's going to do the reset if everybody has the shrunken hippocampus? Well, it's hard to tell who is actually behind everything that we experience right now. And I'm not in the position actually to point out who really has the key in his hands, you know, and really is essentially orchestrating what's going on worldwide. And that is orchestrated, it's obvious, you know, never in the history of our planet were all countries kind of unified in their approach and without any questions asked.

So and we also know that the virus has been created and we know that the mRNA has been has been introduced as a way to to kind of vaccinate people. And even if it's totally clear that it doesn't work, it's continued with a great impact. So there is somebody behind it, but who it is, we don't know. We know who is actually advocating it, but if these are the real people or just the front people, we don't know. So in terms of prevention, I just wrote down some, I just jotted down things that I normally associate with a reduction of dementias and improved vascular health. Socialization, my people that work with dementias always say that's probably numero uno.

It's, of course, the opposite of what we did during lockdowns. Sleep, important. Reduce carbohydrates. Lose weight. Exercise. Avoid these processed, God knows what is in our food. Am I getting at the basics here? Absolutely. In my former books, I had a formula, which is the formula against Alzheimer's disease.

And the same formula now is in the new book, and it applies to Alzheimer's. But essentially, it's a formula against indoctrination. Because what this formula shows is what you need to do and what areas of your life you need to change something. Maybe, maybe not. It's individual. Some people already exercise, so it doesn't apply. Some people sleep already well. Some people have already a purpose in life. Some don't.

So find one. Check out what you're eating, of course. It's not only the bad stuff we are eating. The huge problem is also the deficiencies, deficiencies in micronutrients, for example. Even if people tell me they eat well, like a Mediterranean diet or an Asian diet, which is sometimes very healthy, but even if they do all that, certain things are missing. So in the Northern hemisphere, like Germany and probably also Northern parts of America, United States, you certainly have a lack of vitamin D. And we know

that for example, vitamin D is not only important for your mental health. So for example with a vitamin D level of about 125 nanomoles per liter, this is the number you find in tribes in Africa that live outside, that it's a natural level of vitamin D. And the level we measure in Germany, for example, in winter is around 25. This is a difference of 100 nanomoles. And there are studies out which show you have a 7 percent decrease of the likelihood of developing Alzheimer's by just tracing the vitamin D level by 10 nanomoles. So if you go from 25 to 125, which would be natural,

then we get a 70 percent decrease in the likelihood of Alzheimer's. And funnily, or interestingly, the same level, 125 nanomoles, it's published, peer-reviewed in several papers, the likelihood of dying of COVID is essentially zero. Because it's not only our mental immune system requiring this micronutrient, also our physical immune system fighting this micronutrient. Also, our physical immune system fighting microorganisms require it. And the cytokine storm that we essentially know is actually the real cause of severe COVID can be completely inhibited if you balance the regulation of your genes in your immune cells and vitamin D as a regulator of genes in the immune cells as well as in the nerve cells,

if that is present at the level of 125 nanomole, then the cytokine storm is prevented. So the next great assault, as you've alluded to several times, is the spike protein itself, which causes, you called it a spikeopathy, I think is the word you use, which I love. I call it a spike-induced endotheliitis. That's how I think of it. It's all the same. We're all saying the same thing. It's not surprising to me that the spike was the target of a rapidly created vaccine

that had to be rolled out instantly when people thought that was going to save many, many lives. It makes sense at that point. What doesn't make sense, well, I understand that. What doesn't make sense is that there are other literally better whole virus vaccines out there like Covaxin. And the continued push to use this spike generating vaccine against Omicron, which is a nothing for the vast majority of the population, other than sinister forces, what is the justification for that? There's no justification at all for me, from my point of view. First of all, the spike protein,

we know the spike protein is very harmful. We already knew from SARS-CoV-1 that it actually harms. But attack my, attack my, Michael, attack my, what I said there, because you said not necessarily when I said, you know, they had to roll something out fast and the spike protein was an obvious target. And you said, no, not necessarily. Yeah, not necessarily. And by the way, there's some evidence that they, I'm going to say, I've looked into this a lot these days, and there was some evidence they already had this underway where they were creating a coronavirus spike protein mRNA vaccine.

And they just continued that work as opposed to going to the nuclear capsid or the whole virus, all these other things they could have done. And then once they were there, they wouldn't let go of it, which is the oddest thing in the world to me. But you keep going. I'm sorry. It's totally odd. First of all, why use the mRNA? Because to vaccinate somebody, the immune system quickly realizes there's something strange in the body which shouldn't be there, and it starts to attack it and evolves around it and is able to prevent further disease if a second infection comes along with the same virus or whatever it is. So you don't need mRNA, you just need the protein, first of all. And there was a suggestion even here in Germany, somebody produced

enough protein, he said, in a week we can produce enough protein to essentially vaccinate everybody in Germany. And he was actually attacked very heavily. So nobody wanted that. Then we know that the nucleocapsid gives a much better target, essentially, for immunization. We know this already from infected people, that if they have a high level, high titer of nucleocapsid antibodies, they are much more secure for a secondary infection. Third, the mRNA had to be packed, and it had to be packed by these lipid nanoparticles, which are inflammatory by themselves. But even worse, they were generated to cross the blood-brain barrier, actually to introduce chemicals against cancer, for example, into the brain. So now we have a stabilized mRNA in a vehicle that actually is packaged in a way that it

can actually enter the brain and can tell you the spike protein has nothing to do in the brain. It's really dangerous. Then in addition to that, the spike protein itself was modified. There was a think tank that published already, it was essentially leaked, a document that they proposed to the DARPA in 2018. We have to make a coronavirus a bioweapon by introducing this purine cleavage site. Now, the point is, even if this has happened in Wuhan, which I think is clear by now, and this virus really escaped by accident, let's assume,

and just by accident they had already the vaccination pipeline going for this particular mRNA just by accident. Good luck. You know that I would like to be such a crystal ball in my hands. It would be very nice. But anyway, let's assume this happened all by accident. And then, of course, once you create this mRNA, you have a choice. You have a choice to remove the pre-RNA cleavage site. This choice you have, it's just actually a change of one letter in the alphabet of the DNA of the

mRNA and you can remove it. But they didn't do it. So here purpose comes in. Here you can't deny that you actually did this on purpose. And if you on purpose introduce this cleavage site, you have to know, and I'm pretty sure they knew, the S1 subunit that is then created can actually go into the brain. It crosses the blood-brain barrier by itself. So even if the mRNA is not reaching the brain by packaging the mRNA in the lipid nanoparticles. If it just maybe is produced, let's say in your, I don't know, in your right hand or in your liver or whatever, it reaches an organ, then of course the purine cleavage site will take care of the spike protein and release the S1 subunit. And this one is very stable and can actually go into the brain. And here, that's why I like the

term spikeopathy better than actually yours, to be honest, because here it's not only about endothelial damage. The spike protein attaches usually in the telial on the ACE2 receptor, but it also has a receptor on the immune cells in the brain. And here it's not ACE2, it's TLR4. And TLR4 is essentially a receptor for pathogens and it immediately reacts to it. It essentially sees the spike protein and believes now that the brain has been infected by coronavirus and reacts to it. And it releases pro-inflammatory cytokines. That's a different reaction that we see only on the dithelia. And this reaction causes the production of interleukin-1, for example. Interleukin-1 is known to be one of the most potent inhibitors of cell growth in the hippocampus

in the production of neurons, which are required to keep our mental immune system intact. Interesting. Yeah, we've been working with a long COVID group throughout the pandemic, and they've been measuring these various circulating immune modulators. And VEGF also goes up in these people that have all this inflammation, post-COVID, post-vax.

I need to take a little break here. I'm feeling like I should leave people with some good, something positive, perhaps. Is there other things they could be doing other than the things we've said already, which is sleeping right, eating right, losing weight, socializing, exercising, those good things? I think the main thing they have to do is find a purpose in life i think that's where everything starts you have to have a purpose in life and i think the biggest purpose in life that everybody should have actually particularly the people that are watching us right now from where i just know now by deduction that these people everybody was watching us right now uh have a good hippocampus that that their neurons are growing,

and they shouldn't be too much concerned because otherwise they wouldn't be sitting here and watching us because they are curious, they are willing to think, and they are willing to do something. And I think it's a time that we all start to do something, that we actually use our ability to think that our mental immune system allows us to have, to actually use it and help to stop this war against our brain by, first of all, saving ourselves, and then, of course, saving all the others.

Put the mask on yourself before you try to save somebody else. We'll talk a little bit after break about some of the more indoctrinating sort of phenomenon circulating about there. And Caleb, before we go to break, isn't it interesting how often leading a good life, having purpose is coming into the conversations these days we are having? Oh yeah, yeah, it is. So, right? So I was responding on chats and so I wasn't paying attention, but yeah, it's true. Well, he made the point again

that finding purpose in life is a really important part of mitigating the effects of all these things we were talking about. Susan, you were leaning into your mic too. Oh yeah, for sure. But I'll say the same thing I said recently that Caleb jumped on, which was in this country, we get a little confused about purpose and good lives.

And understand that leading a good life is fulfilling. It may not always be happy. And I'll just point out, Jesus led a good life, wasn't always happy. And if he had prioritized happy as the only purpose for himself, things would have turned out quite a bit different. So it's leading a good life, which we all need to think about. And the present moment, I agree with Dr. Nels,

that the present moment calls for all of us to be thinking about that and to stand up and do things where we are called upon. Take a little break. The book, let's put the book up again, The Indoctrinated Brain. Let's put up the full screen if you don't mind. There we are. Get it now. Read all this. Argue with your friends about it. Warn them. And I'll be back with Dr. Michael Nels after this. Ladies and gentlemen, let's make a resolution that's easy to keep and delivers immediately on its promise. With GenuCell Skin Care, you can turn back the clock and look 5, 10, even 15 years younger.

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But we're going to clarify his vaccine policy Thursday. My vaccine position, how you could have nuanced and differing opinions about these things and still be very, very concerned about the kinds of things that Dr. Nels is talking about today with us. Again, for my practice of medicine, I am called upon to use my judgment to make a risk-reward analysis for every given patient in front of me. Oftentimes, I am taking great risk. Oftentimes, in order to achieve a certain reward that makes that risk worth it. So please don't think because I use a product, I think it is totally safe. I think the risk reward calls for it, and only in certain populations, and only in certain patients. That's how medicine is practiced. This mandating all of anything is frankly disgusting.

My guest is Dr. Michael Nels. He's a physician. He's a geneticist. I'm sure you agree with me on this complete evisceration of the practice of medicine by these centralized authorities. Did you ever imagine at this point in your career or my career we'd be having this conversation? No, I was stunned when I saw that. I mean, first of all, we knew that if anybody dies from COVID, it was in the oldest age group, first of all. Then we knew already that, and it was published very early,

that nobody would die from COVID, even in the older age groups, if they have a sufficiently working immune system. So first of all, what you have to do is bring the immune system in a situation where it can deal with the virus and not create a situation where the immune system actually kills the patient by creating this cytokine storm. And for example, the Cancer Research Center, based on observational and other studies, showed already in November 2020 that before the vaccination program started, that nine of 10 COVID patients could have been saved. Their life could have been saved by just increasing the vitamin D

level. And papers later on showed really that this vitamin D, lack of vitamin D, is the cause, really is the cause of the cytokine storm. So even if you are already sick with COVID, sick enough that you have to go to the hospital, you can't stay at home anymore. And you raise immediately the vitamin D level, which is actually the vitamin pro-hormone level, because it's not vitamin D that you actually eat. It's the pro-hormone that is the vitamin transformed by hydroxylation in the liver. This form, if this one is raised quickly by giving the people pro-hormone vitamin D, then nobody dies. Nobody dies even if he's already so bad infected that he had to go to the hospital. And these studies were out.

So we knew before the vaccination program started that it wasn't necessary. Nobody dies of COVID if they are treated well. So let's talk about, if you don't mind, the indoctrination part of this. So once we're softened up neurobiologically and immunologically, what are some of the indoctrination,

I guess we would call them phenomena, that are flying around that concern you? Yeah, everything is concerning me. The fear-mongering by itself is already detrimental to the hippocampus. You talked early on when we started the conversation about children who experience something bad and have this post-traumatic stress syndrome. There was actually a paper published and sponsored by the Bill and Melinda

Gates Foundation that something else exists as well. There's something which we call pre-traumatic stress syndrome. That means the trauma has not happened yet. We just imagine it. And that's sufficient to have the hippocampus shrinking so if you just if i could interrupt you michael if i could interrupt you you mean something like saying hide shelter in place and if you go out and play with your peers you're going to kill your parents you mean something like that you mean that might be enough of course of course you're going to see depression in kids like that it's intuitively

obvious the mechanism you're providing us no not surprising but please continue i'm sorry yeah sure thank you uh it's um it's peer-reviewed publications out there which show that just telling people that something bad will happen has already the same effects as if it had happened to them in reality. And so, and I was really wondering why the Gates Foundation actually sponsored this kind of research and published it. But it's clear for me now that they were studying the effects of fear-mongering, the effect on the hippocampus. So that's already bad. And then, of course, we have all these...

Yeah, that is already bad. That's already bad. Keep going, please. Yes. And then, of course, what happens now when the hippocampus is not able to produce new cells based on the fact that we isolated all the measures that have taken place 2020, the fear monitoring that continues in all areas, being at climate change, being at the world war maybe by fights over certain borders, which are currently ongoing

on several places on the earth. And of course, the world economy forum, which talks about perma-pandemics. And so what is happening there? If you don't produce new cells in the hippocampus which i call index neurons because they memorize where and when we essentially had a thought where and when we in our lives we had an experience that we wanted to remember and these neurons are required to recall this memory. And if these cells are not produced, then of course we cannot memorize new things unless you actually override pre-existing memories. And now if the spike, for example, the neural information causes the hippocampus to stop producing new index neurons.

And at the same time, you have this fear-mongering and the narratives pounding on your head, essentially, and force you to memorize all these things despite the fact that you actually have no memory capacity. Then you override previous experiences. That means you diminish the amount of personal experiences and your individuality essentially shrinks. You lose your personality, your individuality, and it is essentially overridden by the narratives. And what you get out of this, you can imagine. You have people that have a reduced personality,

a reduced individuality. And when they think about themselves, they only think about the narratives as being part of them. And I have accounted this even personally. If you, I have family members who really believed everything that they were told. And there was no ability, no possibility for me to discuss anything with them because the narrative had become already part of their personality.

And so it's not a neutral discussion about any topics, about the science behind it or anything else. The very moment these narratives become part of their personality, everything changes. It's impossible because when you discuss the narrative, then you essentially put their personality into question. And of course, that's what the people don't like. Interesting.

It's the tribalism, the attack on the self, all these sorts of mechanisms. Do you have any specific recommendations in terms of resisting? Other than the healthy brain piece of this, are there things for people to be aware of to recognize when they're being manipulated i i just feel like i i've been thinking about this a lot lately and i guess that's why i'm asking the question very directly which is that i never you know i was trained like you as a scientist so persuasion was not something on my mind uh and when i thought about getting patients to comply with recommendations, it was really about just being clear and not being persuasive. But persuasion has suddenly become this incredibly

powerful phenomenology that's afoot. And I'm blanking on the name of the Yale professor that had the, oh gosh darn it, the very famous experiment where he got people to electrocute. He essentially got people to pretend, believe that they were electrocuting subjects because an authority figure told them to. Don't look at me. Milgram? Milgram experiment.

Thank you very much. He's looking at me alone. The Milgram experiment. Thank you very much. He's looking at me. The Milgram experiment, yeah. And, you know, I thought about that as sort of a weird anachronism, and we had outgrown all that. We weren't subject to that anymore because we understood propaganda. Oh, my God, was I wrong. It's never been more powerful.

It's never been more pervasive. There's never been more hysteria. What do we do to protect ourselves? Well, first of all, not everybody was assaulted by this. We call this, you know, there was a Nobel Prize in 2002 given to Daniel Kahneman in economics, actually, but he's a psychiatrist. And you know the story.

I mean, he essentially discovered with others that we have two thinking systems. He called one system, system one, which is the fast acting system. I actually think it's not a thinking system. It's just reaction. It's unconscious. And it's a misnomer, in my opinion, maybe good for the book he published, which says, thinking fast, thinking slow. But the thinking fast is not really thinking. The thinking slow is thinking, but it requires energy. The energy actually resides in these new cells that are produced. And so we need this energy to think and to memorize our thoughts. So about 20-25% of the people on our globe

didn't essentially accept what they were told. And this reminds me of an experiment that was done in the mid of the 20th century by Solomon Nash. He essentially tested people if they rather follow the mass or follow their common sense. And it was clear that there is a certain percentage, and it was actually the same

percentage that refused the injection now. And I was wondering even if this is genetic or something else. But there are at least 20-25% which didn't accept what was going on. They were skeptical, and they realized there's something really going on. They were skeptical and they realized there's something really going on wrong. And this is a large percentage. Now, when Solomon Nash did this experiment, he changed the setting of the experiment. And then the group that actually said something wrong

and one person which was tested and was asked to follow the wrong speaking mass or its own common sense, when the mass became smaller, just by one person, one out of 10, one out of 11, then the likelihood that this one person with being tested follows his common sense increased dramatically. So it's very important, in my opinion, that the 23, 24% that understand that there's something wrong going on, and many of them are watching us hopefully, that these people have to stand up and tell the others we are also a greater mass. You are not alone. And so you can trust maybe us more than the others. You can trust your common sense. And I'm seeing that already in Germany, and it gives me a lot of hope. So we see already that the third, fourth, or fifth injection is refused more and more.

And there's a new maturity coming along. Officially, of course, nobody talks about this maturity. But I think we have a majority meanwhile already of people who understand that something is going astray, that we have to refuse it. And we see it here in Germany very well at the moment. And that's probably one of the reasons my book is now a bestseller for five months already in Germany, which I didn't expect when I wrote it, because at that time I thought I'm pretty much on my own. But this tells me that something is changing and that the NASH experiment is essentially telling us that more people are waking up because they are aware that there is a group of people like us who tell

them the truth because they see the side effects of the vaccine, they see how people are suffering, and they see all the other things that are going on and we have to keep up and tell them. And I think that's I think it's the most important part. And this is what I'm talking about previously when we discussed that this is the purpose in life. It's not about happiness. It's not making me happy telling people the what is going on but it's it is a very important purpose in life because it helps me to preserve hopefully the world in a in a way that it makes sense for my kids and my grandchildren to live and and be and and have the the chance to pursue happiness. And I think that's important. And the Nash experiment, if I remember, it was just a line.

The group said this line was longer, and it was clearly not longer. Was it that experiment? Yeah, there were three lines, A, B, and C. And they had to return it to a fourth line, let's say D. And D was exactly the length of B. But the group was instructed to say A is the correct answer. A is identical to D, even if it wasn't. And the 12th person was the actual person that was tested.

And he heard the answers of the other 11 and said, well, it looks like B, but they all tell me it's A. So I have to make a decision now. Do I follow the group and say wrongly it's A, or do I follow my own common sense and say, okay, it's B. That's better what the group is saying. And the line was obviously the same, too. The other

two were obviously not matching up. But if one of the 11 was also allowed to say B, then, of course, this one person that was tested was not alone anymore. And the likelihood increased from 20% to 40%. And this is where I see a lot of hope at the moment. Yes, you're giving me hope, actually, even just shouting that out, frankly. Are you aware of what was going on in France during some of the mandates? I was in Paris a couple of years ago when the

mandates were peaking and the youth were out in the streets demonstrating against mandates. They were saying, look, you've told us this illness is not going to harm us. Now you're going to force us to put something in our bodies. This is not the founding principle of a republic built on liberty this is the opposite of that and i really admired that and i i i'm let you vamp about this for a second are you aware of that b is it there's other other country where that kind of thing is going on and c is it maybe the french are sort of sensitive to that kind of thing because of their history. I mean, they've had lots of mob misadventures. And so maybe they're less likely to go on with the mob because of their history. Well, it's hard to tell because the vaccination rates in France were at the end at least as high as in Germany.

And in Germany, they were about 75 to 80 percent. So the national experiment essentially I think was pretty much the same everywhere. If there were demonstrations we had demonstrations in Germany too but of course not as many people went out as they should have. So I think the numbers of people refusing the vaccination were pretty much the same. But in Germany, they were not allowed. This is one of the reasons why I really push now that we are going on the streets, that we are fighting against that.

And we see people now doing that. For example, there is now new laws in Germany regarding the fuel for the agricultural industry, that it will become more expensive, cutting down essentially the ability of many farmers to produce the goods for life. And what I see now very strongly is that people go on the street, people which are not farmers, but they support the farmers. And I think this kind of change in the ability or in the willingness to fight is probably coming along at the right moment. And maybe what people experienced in the last four years made them aware that it's really time to stand up. Yeah, I think you could be right. Let me ask a follow-on question to the have a meaningful life recommendation you've made.

Do you feel like some sort of spiritual component is important to that? Have we lost track of that? I mean, humans seem to need something in that zone and things not so good fill in if they don't have that, but I'll let you speak to it. Well, I'm not an expert in these areas, but I would support your notion here. We need to have more spirituality. From my personal perspective, spirituality is meaning being more together, one with nature. Nature is very important. We are part of nature and we lost this connection. We lost this connection in medicine very heavily. So if people, for example, have a

deficiency in vitamin D and they develop essentially a depression out of this. Then they go to the doctor and the doctor says, well, depression, I have a prescription here for you. But practically speaking, the lack of vitamin D is the problem. And vitamin D is necessary. It's part of our nature. We are not outside of nature. And I think this is something that is really weird. We believe that humans dominate nature and are not really part of nature, but we are natural beings and we have natural necessities which are defined by our evolution. And if we ignore these necessities, we get sick. We might not get sick immediately, as my wife usually tells. It doesn't kill you immediately but it doesn't mean that it has not long-term effects and if the long-term

effect for example is that we get Alzheimer's then the short-term effect is that we are not as efficient in our thinking even if we are young and we make the wrong decisions. One of the wrong decisions is really that we don't think we are part of nature anymore and that we don't have natural needs. And I think this is the biggest problem. And being more close to nature, seeing the spirituality in nature, maybe brings us closer to nature and accept that we have to nourish our mind, our body with the good stuff. And then, of course, our hippocampus will be very happy. It will grow. And if the hippocampus is happy, we all will be happy.

We will be more creative. We will be more curious. We will be more outgoing. We will be more social. And we realize that everything that we do locally will have effects all over the world. Isn't it interesting that sunlight is what gives us our 125-dihydroxyactive vitamin D molecule, and that's out in the world?

And the way I think about it is we've lost track of our embeddedness. It's like we've disintegrated so many things. You know, we've thought only about the brain, but of course the brain is, historically, certainly in the 1990s, we were just busy with the brain. Well, the brain is embedded in a body, in an autonomic and a peripheral nervous system and the body is embedded in a environment and a family and a community and that is embedded in a historical context in a social larger social context and it's all embedded in the the world quite literally which is the natural world and so we've sort of compartmentalized all these things.

And I think every step of the way, it's to our detriment. Absolutely. You're completely right. I can only underwrite or subscribe what you're saying. We have to go back to nature. We have to accept we are part of nature with all facets. Family, family life. I mean, we lost the contact to our families. For example, we are aging. We could age up to the age of 120.

The oldest woman was alive ever was 122 years old. It is known that every girl that is born right now has the possibility, 50% chance to reach the age of 100 years. What my research shows that even at the age of 100, we can still be curious, we can still learn, and the hippocampus can still grow, meaning we don't get Alzheimer's, but we become more wise. And this is the ability that we have because we have a purpose in life. And the purpose in life of all people essentially is to give their wisdom to the children and to the grandchildren. And this is completely lost in our modern society. We believe Google, but we don't believe our grandparents.

The life experience that they have is so important. And if we don't, if we're not interested in their life experience, then their purpose in life is essentially lost, and that is one of the causes of Alzheimer's and depression. So it's a set of vicious cycle, and we have to change that. We have to go back to family, and we have to believe that family is important we have to understand that because it is natural to be in a family and not uh just on our own all the time and uh dividing contra i guess is what we are experiencing right now we are conquered because we are right it's if you look at history it's it's every time ideology takes over ideology is not natural it's

some abstraction that humans come to and decide that's the new natural and it never turns out well for human beings i i want to go back quickly to some biology for a second you know a lot has been made and you made the case today about the lipid nanoparticles and the mRNA itself. And of course, there's concerns about DNA contamination. But I have to say, I've been using the RSV vaccine for patients, and I have not seen a single side effect. Of course, it's in patients that are at high risk and for whom RSV could be devastating, and I'm willing to take that risk. But that clinical experience makes me think, man, that spike protein is so much the problem because I've seen lots of vaccine reactions, lots. And nothing like that from the RSC. Of course, I'm not vaccinating young people, nor would I, by the way. I don't vaccinate young

people. I don't recommend that. But I've seen other people who have vaccinated young people, and I see what happens to them. It's not great. Any thoughts about that? Or am I just eventually going to see stuff from that platform? Or is that clinical experience telling me that the big enemy is the spike protein? From my point of view, the biggest enemy is the spike protein. Spike is really toxic. It's neurotoxic.

It's toxic for the endothelial. It's toxic for the whole body. The body usually wants to get rid of it very quickly. It usually does if it's not a modified version. So we have to do something about this. I actually support, and you'll find it on my website, I just wrote a large article about one possibility to stop the neuroinflammatory process activated by the spike protein essentially is recognized by the TLR4, the receptor which I mentioned in the microglia and the immune cells of the brain. If they recognize this receptor, a cascade essentially is started, an information cascade

up to the nucleus of the cell, which then is activating all these genes or the pro-inflammatory cytokines. And the transducer of this signal is called GSK3-beta. The name doesn't mean anything at the moment. I can mention it, but it doesn't matter. So GSK3-beta is an important transducer of the signal that is essentially activated by the recognition of the spike protein.

And the natural inhibitor of GSK3-beta is lithium. So lithium, and from the natural history of humans, we know that the brains, our brains essentially develop in a timeframe when we were not actually hunters in Gartharus, but rather fishermen in Gartharus. And I actually published a book about this, it's called the algae oil revolution, because I recommend algae oil as a source of omega-3 fatty acids, which are needed for the brain and actually needed for the hippocampus, specifically at high doses. So anyway, in this time, we were essentially forced by drought, caused by an ice age, which was lasting over 70,000 years, that we had to live at the ocean. And the fish from the ocean has a hundred times higher concentration of lithium than fish from freshwater, because freshwater has a low

amount of lithium in it. So anyway, this way we were used to get one to two milligrams of lithium a day. Lithium at this dose is an essential trace element according to the World Health Organization for rats and goats. And I know, for example, fruit flies live 30% longer if they get a little amount of lithium. So it's essential for every animal that we know of, except for humans, ridiculously. But we know it would buffer the effect of the spike protein. In addition, it was shown that lithium at a low dose also activates neurogenesis of the hippocampus, and it activates what we call autophagia, meaning the removal of microorganisms which are not functioning or proteins that are dysfunctional. And it was a

paper published just recently, and you'll find it on my website, that proposes that lithium can be used to remove the spike protein, low-dose lithium. And we know that TLR4 is responsible for the brain fog, the activation of the TLR4 by the spike protein. And the University of Buffalo recently published a press release, and they're now conducting a larger study where they show that lithium low dose removes the brain fog quite efficiently.

The doctor tested it. Oh, interesting. And nine of 10 patients immediately had essentially the brain fog removed after long COVID. And I'm pretty sure since long COVID is a spiropathy, the same will happen in patients that have the post-VAC syndrome. So that's at least what I would try, low-dose lithium. Ideally, lithium orotate because orotate is an active transporter in our brain, over the brain area, which essentially allows us to use low amounts of lithium because a lot of it is transported in the brain where it actually activates

or inhibits the neuroinflammatory deathly cycle. And then not worry about the thyroid and kidney issues with lithium then. No, no, it's actually low dose. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, it's actually the adult. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But, you know, it's funny. I actually took fluvoxamine, which is a similar idea, which is activating the Sigma-1 receptor anti-inflammatory system. And it cleared my, it helped clear my COVID fog after a bad case of COVID. And after the first dose, within 30 minutes, the ringing in my ears went away which was odd

and then the fog improved considerably as did stamina so again that the inflammatory system in the brain is a key target for the post-vax and the post-covid and probably you know if we're smart acute covid as well which is kind of odd that we let the acute COVID have its way with us. You know what I mean? If we want to worry about how COVID itself is affecting the brain, it's during the acute COVID I think we have the most trouble.

Actually, this is already published, what you're saying. I actually proposed in 2021, I wrote a book, it's called The Corona Syndrome. It was only published in German so far, German language. But there I proposed lithium as an antidote against acute COVID already. And it's already known in my paper, Unified Theory of Alzheimer's Disease, which you might want to put up. Here I show in my paper that low-dose lithium is actually effective in essentially stopping the progression

of Alzheimer's because it stops neuroinflammation and it activates the neurogenesis as the main reason why you actually are able to stop the Alzheimer's process. Now, is that something where you get a supplement over the counter or you have to get prescribed the e-lithium? It's not accepted as an essential trace element, which has some problems with it. It is essential. I make the case, actually, in my paper that is on my website.

But since it's not accepted, interestingly, in America, you get it over the counter. In Germany, you actually need a prescription by a physician, and you need a pharmaceutical, you need essentially what is called, where you get the drugs. Prescription? Yeah, the prescription, where you go to somebody, a pharmacy, you know, you go to the, and you have to get the. Are you recommending people go out and get lithium now if they have any concerns? Yeah, absolutely. I take it myself.

I take lithium. What do you take? What exactly do you take? Like what's the dose? What's the form? I take about one milligram. The essential dose, and you will find it in my paper, the essential dose of lithium is one milligram,

the effective dose of lithium. Of lithium? Orotate. Say it again, lithium or orotate. Orotate, yeah. And orotate is actually also important. It's something that the brain needs to produce nucleotate, yeah. And orotate is actually also important. It's something that the brain needs to produce nucleotides, which is essential for the production of new cells in the brain. So neurogenesis actually requires also orotate. So the combination of both is ideal. And of course, the one milligram refers to the lithium in the orotate.

You need like 25 milligrams of the complex because the orotate is heavy in the lithium. That is the essential dose. And I take a five-time higher dose. I recommend at the moment to get rid of the brain fog. But once you get rid of it, you can reduce it again to the essential dose. And the essential dose is what I take every day since years. We have a lot of vaccine-injured people that stop by and listen to this stuff. So maybe there's something they could try.

Certainly talk to your doctor about that if there's any question. Doctor, what's that, Susan? You yelled out without having your mic on. Is it in the book? Well, it's on the website. It's not what he said, right? It's in the website, but do get the book too. So you can, the website is Michael-Nells, N-E-H-L-S.

Follow him on Twitter as well, X-N-E-H-L-S-M-D. The book is The Indoctrinated Brain, How to Successfully Fend Off the Global Attack on Your Mental Freedom. Put it up there, Caleb. Let's get one more look at it before we kind of wrap things up here. It's a whole interesting new avenue for us to pay attention to. Dr. Nels attempts to answer a lot of questions that are flying around out there.

Is there anything we have left out, Michael, before we wrap this up? I think we have left out a lot of things that people can now find in the book. Perfect, perfect. But I think what this book really is, you are a physician, I'm a physician, and we both know that therapy can only work, sometimes it works accidentally maybe,

but it really only works if we have the right diagnosis. And I'm pretty sure this gives us the right diagnosis of what was happening and what is going to happen most likely. And so I pretty sure if we really take up the task, we will be better off than even before COVID ever happened. Oh, yeah. It has certainly exposed a lot of things to us that were underway. And I feel like pre-COVID, we're naive to a lot of things that we are not so much naive to anymore,

regardless who you are out there listening to this conversation pre-COVID, we're naive to a lot of things that we are not so much naive to anymore. Regardless who you are out there listening to this conversation and what your opinions are, I guarantee you, whatever your opinion is, whatever you've concluded, you still have a different feeling about how you were before COVID as opposed to now. Dr. Michael Nels, I really appreciate you spending time with us. I know you're in a different time zone and whatnot, so I'm going to let you go. And is other than the Nels MD on X and your website and the book,

is there any place else you'd like people to find you? I have a sub stack too, but you will find it over my website. So it would not be a problem. Perfect. Thank you, sir. Stay in touch. Thank you. Thank you very much. And there we go. Fascinating.

Interesting stuff, right? Another new interesting, I'm thinking about that lithium orotate. Yeah, that's very interesting. Especially with the Alzheimer's connection. I actually pulled up how he had his paper ready to show on screen because I was reading it

while he was talking and so when he mentioned I just popped it right up he actually wrote that it was published back in 2016 so that whole research paper has been out for a long time about connecting lithium use for helping Alzheimer's disease and look these are scientific theories

can I get some of that? yeah I'll get you some you scared me a couple times lately I think I might want to give you that disease. And look, these are scientific theories. Can I get some of that? Yeah, I'll get you some. You scared me a couple of times lately where I might want to give you that. But these are scientific theories. These are not fact, right? These are attempts to understand and create a construction of what's going on here and possible ways of helping people, that's all. And it may end up being true or it may not uh but these are all things to think ruminate about think on decide you know are you going to read the book i it doesn't seem like a book you ought to read and the fact that it's a bestseller in germany is really an

interesting little footnote there so tomorrow uh yes oh if you could give like a quick so every time i've heard of any like if I had a friend that was on lithium, it was almost because of some sort of a severe, like a mental health sort of a thing. So I've never heard of lithium being used in this way. Is it different dosages or what is, how is this, how is what he's talking about different than like extreme?

Yeah, he's talking about lithium orate. Usually it's lithium carbonate that is used for bipolar disorder, for manic depression. It was the first drug sort of used for that. It was very effective. There are better drugs now, so it's not used that often. In the doses that we use it for bipolar disorder, you have to get blood tests to make sure it's in the therapeutic range and not too low or too high. It can affect the kidney in various ways that are not so great, and it can affect the thyroid in various ways that are not so great. None of them devastating, but things that need to be monitored in case those things develop. I believe it's interstitial nephritis in kidney,

and in thyroid, it can have protein effects on thyroid function. So there is that. He is not talking about that. He's talking like literally a hundredth less dose of the lithium in a slightly different format that doesn't even get to these other organs. So the other thing it is sometimes used for, historically has been used for, is to enhance the effect of antidepressant medication, particularly serotonin reuptake inhibitors. So sometimes people will be on something like Zoloft or Prozac on a small amount of lithium. Though I've noticed in recent years, they've not been doing so much of that. So that is lithium that you've heard about in lore. And does that answer everybody's question?

Caleb, anything else? Yeah, that answers it. Yeah, no, that answers it because I just, I'd only heard of lithium as in like extreme cases. So I'd never heard of it and used in this way, but his paper is very interesting. So I suggest people go look at that.

Yeah. It's from 2016. Smart guy, interesting guy interesting guy and again this is how science is done it moves forwards it's a wheel it turns very slowly and some things get cast off and some get incorporated in and stay in this thing that thus saith the lord is science is just anathema to science so it'd be wild if like something like lithium actually does help with the brain fog in that way? It's something that's been around for so long that already exists that they don't need to- Look, how about fluvoxamine?

How about Steve Kirsch and his work on fluvoxamine? It helped me a great deal. It's helped a lot of people. Not everybody, but it helps through that anti-inflammatory pathway. Wild. And that's the point. That's where hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin

and fluvoxamine and budesonide came from. You take medicines that are already approved and you would start using them to see if they have an application. People think too much about medication and the pathways they serve to treat. The biology of the body has lots of crossover mechanisms. So oftentimes, something that treats, say, something like depression,

may, you know, look at where Viagra was to treat to heart disease. And, oh, lo and behold, it does this. These things, crossover functions in other organs and other parts of the body are very common, which is why they started deploying these medications that had a possible mechanism of action for working against COVID. And we're still arguing about that, for God's sakes, but here we are. Speaking of that, Dr. Peter McCullough in here tomorrow, I believe. Is that correct, Caleb? There they are. Yep, that's correct.

Peter McCullough, that is our lineup going forward. Joseph Latipo, Jim Brewer, a lot of interesting people coming in. And at the end of Royce White on Thursday, Dr. Paul Alexander will come back around and we're going to put to rest all this vaccine nonsense.

It's just, and of course, you know, whenever you read on Twitter, whenever people write on their sub stacks, it's never what you say because they never contact

the people they're writing about and ask them what their opinion is. They always tell you something that they think the person said, which is never what you said. And just everything that goes viral, everything that's controversial is almost always that way. Susan, you're looking very serious.

And everybody has a point of view out there these days. You know what I mean? Like they know everything, everything about you, everything about me. I got, isn't that nice? I got three vaccines because I wanted to travel out of the country,

fly to New York, go to dinner in New York because I'm an old person. That's what I like to do. I didn't want to stay home, stuck in my house, wringing my hands and going, Oh God, I don't want to get a vaccine. I didn't want to stay home stuck in my house, wringing my hands and going, oh, God, I don't want to get a vaccine. I don't want to travel. Well, but the horrible thing was you would not have been able to do those things if you hadn't.

No, and I just took a risk. And by the way, it was not just this country. We were showing our damn passport around France and Greece and these other places, too. Right, but you took one vaccine, and you had a horrible response. Yes, I did. And I didn't have any response, but I may have lost a tooth. I'm not sure. Oh, that's right.

Oh, there's my, there's my. But it was worth the risk for me to get to go to France and Greece and New York. I woke up with a black eye. Get the fuck out of California. Black eye, which is the presenting feature of a, the microvascular clotting that was happening from the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. In the transverse sinus, fortunately, I did not progress. I did not seem to have at least.

Maybe I still have a clot in that sinus. Who knows? I know. I know. It's so weird. And I was sick from it too. I was quite sick. But I wish that I didn't have to take the vaccine.

It's interesting though. You know, Steve Kirsch has a survey going around. Do you know somebody who was vaccine injured? And I would have, in your immediate family and friends, and I would have said no, but you know what? I was vaccine injured. I was definitely vaccine injured. It just, it didn't have consequence, but I- We got lucky though. I definitely should have reported that had they not the next day withdrawn the vaccine.

So I was the end of the Johnson and Johnson, but was probably in many ways, having lived through that particular reaction, probably better off. Well, you had COVID trying to get the vaccine and then you didn't need the vaccine. But then in order to fly to Greece, you had to get something. That's right. So you went for the lesser of all evils and ended up almost dying. Yep. There you go.

So Peter McCullough in here tomorrow. We'll continue this conversation. We appreciate you all. We were watching you on the restream. We'll continue this conversation. We appreciate you all. We were watching you on the restream. I know Susan was in there on the Rumble Rants. Please do sign up on the Rumble channel. We'd love to see you over there. We're going to get Doug Stanhope in here.

Oh, I saw some stuff going back. That was Jeff's idea. Doug would be great. Time to get Doug back. I just texted him. We're having a long dialogue about Austin in the 90s. And speaking of Rumble, maybe David Rubin, maybe it's time for him to get back around in here too. Susan, listening?

Hell yeah. Absolutely. Get some lithium for that. Am I? I'm going to get some lithium orotate for young Susan here. All right, everybody. No, listen. I was doing something else. Sorry. I'm aware of get some lithium orotate for young Susan here. All right, everybody. No, I was, listen, I was doing something else. Sorry.

I'm aware of that. Lithium for everyone. But you were in the middle of a streaming show and I was speaking right to you, but okay. I'm done. I'm going to go make dinner. I'm going to go, I'm going to enhance your hippocampal volume. All right, everybody.

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