Ask Dr. Drew - Infant COVID Vaccines, Pandemic Anxiety, Masking On Planes & Celebrity Narcissism – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 96

Episode Date: July 1, 2022

Dr. Drew answers caller questions about infant and child COVID-19 vaccines, anxiety over the pandemic from the son of anti-vaxxers, if wearing a mask on a plane protects from coronavirus, and what can be learned about narcissism from the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard defamation trial. Our scheduled guest Tyrus had to reschedule, but you should still read his mega-bestselling memoir "Just Tyrus" at Amazon.com Originally broadcast on June 28, 2022.  SPONSORED BY • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get 10% off with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation ( https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/FirstLadyOfLove). THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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There it is, just Tyrus. And it's an interesting story. He's an interesting guy, a smart guy. He's always got a lot to say and a lot of interesting thoughts. So we look forward to bringing him on here. We're also set up at Twitter Spaces. I can never spit that name out quite right.

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All right, let's get right to it. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. And welcome everybody. I'm already seeing there might be a little technical issue. Somebody's saying they can only follow us on Twitch. The subscribe button isn't working.

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He's supposed to come in here any second. Sometimes literally weather is what gets to him. So the way to come up here to ask uh a to ask questions just raise your hand i will see it requested on the twitter spaces and i will call you up and by doing so you were agreeing to stream out on multiple platforms and the rumble twitter twitch facebook youtube wherever things it's almost like a broadcast we're out there in so many places uh says twitch subscription requires you to be considered a twitch affiliate oh that's interesting what i don't know yeah we we didn't in the morning yeah we're not we didn't want to

do that because then twitch requires us to be exclusive only on twitch which no ah do they still do that yeah they wouldn't make any exceptions that's so weird but okay so you don't go ahead and get notifications from youtube or or from facebook or wherever else and then just head over to twitch or head over to rumble or go from rumble and head over to twitch or go to if you get notified notified on rumble do you get notified on rumble drew i don't know well anyways follow us everywhere and then visit as we are rolling to a start here those lights just went on somebody turned oh somebody's outside we are rolling to a start here i also want to remind people that they can send us suggestions for guest topics at contact at drdrew.com we look

at those things we take them seriously and we are trying to morph and change i mean so much of this show was about covid for so long we were like as i used to say all the time we're like the french underground here we were sort of broadcasting from out of our home just trying to help people manage the all the misinformation and craziness that was out there there is still some stuff out there uh as i say almost every day follow venae prasad to clarify some of this for you but uh there's a lot of confusion about second boosters and about whether to get young, young children boosted. As always, I will tell you the basic information, which is that we know what we're doing over the age of about 75. We have the science to dictate exactly what our plans should be and what our intervention should be, what our vaccine intervention should be and what our treatment should be. Under the age of 75, it gets a lot murkier. If you are, for instance, I was with Adam Kroll today. We were talking to some

callers on our phone lines there. And I got a 53-year-old guy called in who'd had the complete mRNA series, had a booster. And just as he was getting the booster, he got Delta. And that was about four months ago. So he is vaccinated, boosted with hybrid immunity. And his question was, should I get the second booster? And the answer is no answer. The answer is we don't know. We don't have science to really guide us for especially that kind of a circumstance. People with native immunity, hybrid immunity,

under the age of 60. We don't know either. Like, I don't know. And that's my predicament. I had COVID and I've been boosted. You're right. I want to go to Portugal and I don't know. You're a little, because you're not in your 50s,

you're a little more towards maybe we do this. But what I've been telling people quite a bit often is, hey, there are three more vaccines coming. We have Covaxin, Novavax, and the intranasal vaccine coming. Give it a little time. See how those look and if they are being approved as booster. And by the fall, we should have more clarity, how to proceed. I do think people like me would probably get boosted. Would a 40-year-old get boosted who'd had native illness, hybrid immunity, been boosted? Far less clear. We also don't have any good data on when to use Paxlovid in those situations, though what most doctors are doing is waiting until to see how the illness goes.

In other words, if somebody gets really sick and they're 40 and they're hybrid immunity, but they're really getting sick, we probably would use it. There's not good science to substantiate that, but that's a situation where we'd fall back on the better part of valor. So a lot of what we're doing right now is nuanced and is not necessarily backed up by good science what I have a problem with is there's no good science to immunize young young children either and yet it seems like there are relative mandates out there for school for sports for travel the the mandates really are problematic. I don't understand the logic behind the mandates.

I don't understand what they're doing. I mean, I literally don't understand. I'm literally confused, which means that they're not showing their work. In other words, I can't see their logic. I don't know why they're doing this because it doesn't make sense based on currently available wisdom. So that's that. Let me start taking some of your calls uh dan is first up here let's see what dan wants to ask dan uh hmm where'd he go huh it says there was an error in adding dan that was the first time we had that so let's try that again there you go i hear noise yeah there keeps being an i'm sorry dan there keeps being an error let's see if i can add uh david david david's no problem we got david coming in here all right david and be sure to unmute your mic as we uh come upon you and it's taking longer for David to connect to it.

Caleb, do you think that's an RN? Do I need to? I'm checking on it. It looks like it's just, it's a Twitter issue on there. And cause it also shows that it's just connecting over here. There he is.

He's connected. What's going on? Just takes a long time. David, what's up? Oh, Oh, you're muted.

You're muted. If you hit the mic in the lower left-hand corner. We will be able to talk to you. There you are. David, what's up? Yeah, I'm in Ghana. I enjoy your program a lot. I started listening a couple of minutes ago, but

I was so confused about the type of boosters that we had. We had once, and we're looking for the second dose we never had. And we don't know whether we should go for a different vaccine or not. We're so much confused. So, David, let me just tell you that you're a young man. I can see from your picture. And for young men, one vaccine. Which vaccine are you getting?

Which one did you get? Oh, now we lost him. There you are. Which one did you get? Johnson & Johnson. Okay. So that one does not really have a booster and you're a young man and there's a lot of evidence that young men when you give them further vaccine that puts them at added risk

so there is a lot of question of what whether young males should be boosted generally i think you can talk to your doctor about this, I think generally somebody would give you a booster. I had the Johnson & Johnson vaccine as well, and so the question becomes, which booster should you get? And I'm leaning towards the newer Covaxin or Novavax. I think that's probably the direction somebody would take you. Do you have that available where you are? Sorry, but I didn't get you.

I think I have a network connection problem. The line is cool. Yes, I'm just going to say it again just through the OBS here. Yeah, listen to it on the Twitter. Which is that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine does not necessarily require a second vaccine, though some people are studying that in young men generally one vaccine may be enough even the mrna vaccines but as time goes on that's not going to be a very efficacious vaccine unless you've had covet and it's a hybrid immunity so you are probably going to need a booster, which should get a booster, let's say. And you're going to, I have a feeling for Johnson & Johnson, you might, we might be looking more at the Covax and Novavax, those sorts of vaccine once they become available.

So that's kind of what I want you to kind of keep an eye out for. Samuel, we'll put him up here. Samuel, there you are. You're muted. Go ahead. Hi, hi. Hey there. Yeah, so my question is primarily about my young daughter. She's five. And I live in California, so there's a lot of talk about those mandates coming in.

Not this next school year, but possibly the school year after. I follow a lot of what Dr. Peter McCullough has been saying about it, you know, and things like that. So I just, I'm so confused on what to do with my kid. I get it. It would be a very hard decision. Two things I would do. One is make sure you have a pediatrician who's listening to you. Make the decision with the pediatrician, number one. And then number two, start, Peter McCullough is pretty extreme in his views. We interviewed him here along the way. Smart man.

I value everyone that's out there that is sort of, you know, whatever their opinions are to sort of keep everybody on their toes and everybody thinking. But you might look more at Vinay Prasad. Follow him. Look what he says about young young booster or young vaccination 75 of the kids already have antibody or have been

exposed so right it really is very i i wouldn't want to be the pediatrician making that decision i feel like it's a tough decision i i suppose the way i would do it is if patients were super motivated and family was super motivated i would do it is if patients were super motivated and family was super motivated, I would do it. But if family was questioning whether they wanted to do it, I would sort of, I don't know. It would be a very hard thing to recommend. That's just my opinion. I'm not a pediatrician, though, so I don't make those decisions, thank goodness. Right.

And part of it, too, is because we've gotten sick quite often ever since she started going back for in-person instruction. She's picking up all those germs. She has a little bit of immunity delayed. Her immune system needs to kind of catch up with everything. And just part of the issue is we've gotten sick, not sure if it's COVID.

We've taken the tests, but every time it's been negative, but then we've tested her the day after she got sick because the school sent her home. Right. So I know, I know like sometimes maybe it doesn't quite catch it because it hasn't, you know,

developed enough yet. So I don't even know if she's actually had COVID or not. Right. You know what I mean? Well, the pediatrician can, can check that. So you might ask them to see if there are antibodies that might make you feel

better. You have to give them a blood test. Yeah, I know it's kind of a pain, but but but that's one way of doing it kids love you guys the the patient and doctors need to be working together to make these decisions i mean that's the bottom line the fact that it's mandated from on on high is is deeply concerning i i just am very very concerned about that and and i would be very confused if i were in samuel's position as well so again find a good physician that you can talk to uh i had a gallon of blood taken out of my arm today good yeah she just kept going and going and going i was so happy though because i didn't have an appointment somehow and i um i had to work i had to beg my way in.

You don't understand. I've been sick. I have to get back in. I'm flying. I've been thinking you needed a bloodletting, that the evil humors were beginning to build up and we needed to let them out. And a bloodletting would be a good way to do that.

Nice. I like that. So do you know that that is how George Washington died? He developed congestive heart failure and maybe pneumonia, and they treated him with- A bloodletting. Repeated bloodletting to the point where he was profoundly anemic and essentially killed him. I mean, it's interesting that I was thinking to myself you know what it what it would do is put them into shock and cause their adrenal glands to push out cortisol which might have an anti-inflammatory

effect on the lungs so there was there was not it was not as though there's nothing to it but they they be is a it was the first case you know what so it was the first case of celebrity health care they gave him special treatment and bled him out so just i i've said this forever that celebrities when doctors get excited about taking care of someone and it's a special care they just are so excited to give them the care is bad george i hadn't really thought about this george washington is case one that i know of so let's get i had to use the art of persuasion to get in i you don't have you don't have an appointment. I was like, oh, okay.

So I sit down. I'm looking for the paperwork from this appointment I set up. I'm like, God, I can't find anything. What's wrong with me? I didn't get a QR code, I guess. The art of persuasion. This older gentleman, like I mean older, older, came in and he goes, my appointment's not in here. And I go, me too.

Hey, what's wrong with your system? And then he goes he goes yeah he goes i had to i came in yesterday and i couldn't get it because i wasn't fasting and he goes because i have to take my pill at 10 o'clock and so i'm over here and i got to do it but i got to take my pill at 10 this was like at nine o'clock and he was like he was like telling me his whole history i love scaring non-medical people with, I have to take a pill at exactly the same time. So I went back. I went back up and I signed up. And then the woman said, well, just get on the wait list.

And I go, okay. So I was pushing the buttons. And then they came out and I go, listen, I should have been on there. I got to do this now. And they said, okay, come in. And then this poor woman had to add stuff. But they did a good job. Once I got in the door, they did a great job.

I was really happy. So I should get the results back soon, Drew, so you can see if I'm dying. I'll see if there are any. There's going to be nothing. I'm going to see if the devil is actually present circulating. There's never anything. That's the problem. Arjun, I get this.

How do you pronounce your name? Oh, it's pronounced Arjun. Arjun, Arjun, what's going on? My question is, do you see further, like what are your thoughts on further mutations possibly coming up in the wintertime that could get through our current vaccines? It's going to happen, right?

I mean, it's inevitable pretty much. And that's just like we have the endemic flu that comes in waves and gets through the vaccines to certain degrees the the key the key phenomena the key thing we're going to be relying on going forward is gonna be treatments treatments and i think i've heard you say on dark on after dark that you think this is just going to become a lot more like the flu it's in the best of all possible worlds let's hope it gets like that but but just get a vaccine once a year yeah well just i mean aren't they going to kind of mix it with the flu shot or something there was talk of that at one point but but you know just get the vaccine this vaccine's

got problems this is yeah they need a better one we were essentially in sort of wartime posture when we rolled out the vaccines this is what people don a better one we were essentially in sort of wartime posture when we rolled out the vaccines this is what people don't seem to understand they're like this vaccine is right it was an emergency thing to keep everybody alive who has covid now right is that right susan yeah he had it he said he's over it he's over already so he i was telling him i go look we we are accepting a certain amount of risk because this was sort of a wartime mentality. You know, it was Project Warp Speed. It was, you know, get it out, get it going.

Now, as we go into endemicity, meaning we have to live alongside of this thing, usually they kind of burn down. They learn a way to coexist with humanity or inject themselves into the genome or something. So the expectation is eventually they're going to kind of... What's this guy building over there? What are you doing on the other end of that line? It sounds like you're... Locomotivation. Oh, sorry.

I'm walking around in my backyard. I'm entering my 20s next month. Do you think I should be prepared to be getting a vaccine once a year, or should I not? These are very, again, these are personal decisions. Have you had COVID? I came into contact with covid very recently and it was my first time in the two years uh knowingly coming into contact with it and i had no effects uh that's after my third shot so either lucky asymptomatic

or 20 right or one of these people that just don't get it whether you get the vaccine again make that decision with your doctor it whether you get the vaccine again make that decision with your doctor it's not an easy decision you have you know you're fully vaxxed you're young i mean if you didn't have any reaction to it i i tend to get a little sort of pragmatic because i i know you're gonna have trouble moving about without the vaccine eventually yeah we can't right and so you know these mandates it's all this virtue signaling well it's not virtue signaling it's. Well, it's not virtue signaling. It's not.

It's the mandate. It's just that we're all like, oh, am I supposed to get it? Okay, should I be running out and doing this? And I'd get it again. I'm going to get it before we go on our vacation just because why not, you know? It didn't bother me. I have to get a shingle shot. That sounds worse.

It is worse. It will bother you. And that's worth it, I guess, but I haven't done it yet. I guess as time goes on, I'm seeing more and more problematic side effects from the vaccine that I don't particularly, I don't want to have, I don't want to see you get. What, myocarditis? No, I'm in myocarditis. You don't want me to plop and hit my head in the middle of the night and die? That's more POTS syndrome, which I've seen quite a bit of.

But more sort of long COVIDvets type stuff i've seen really weird long that's true that's true well maybe after time they'll do more work on the vaccine and then it'll be safer for everybody well so it's and it is also confusing because people are asking shall i get the more omicron specific will it cover the ba4 and ba5 is it adequate do we just get the regular booster or do we wait for these other boosters that are coming? Novavax? Who do we need to interview next for this situation? Monica Gandhi. Get her back? Yeah, we should probably get Monica

Gandhi back to review. Wish I had her today. Why? I don't know. Oh, because we don't have Tyrus yet? Tyrus is hung up in court with his wife. His wife's got a court problem. And he said it was going along. He told me at 121 and i didn't see the email so he didn't you know he didn't just go high and dry he just he i didn't see the email so because

you know i was running around so um i told him if he wants to pop in at the end of the show he can but i hate to tell everybody the bad news all right bad news but we have calls so it's no promise we have good news we get more time for callers that's right uh so if if i am confusing you further with what i've been saying i'm not surprised because the landscape is kind of confusing right now uh which is why again i keep referring people back to that primary unit of the patient and the doctor making the decisions together on behalf of that given individual given currently available wisdom all right let's talk to uh frankie frankie's coming up in may

hello hello dr true frankie what's up not much so here's where i'm really confused okay i was diagnosed in 2018 with progressive relapsing MS. Okay. Okay. And I was told very specifically that I was to not get flu shots because of the immune deficiency. Okay. But I do the every six month okra vis infusion for the MS. Okay.

So during the pandemic, you know, during the hot high peak of the pandemic, I was instructed to get the vaccine in order to get my infusion treatment. And I was reluctant. I really did not feel comfortable getting the vaccine because of what was told to me about not getting flu shots. So I was kind of put in a double-edged sword situation. So I went ahead and I got the vaccines. So this I think I can straighten out for you. Sure. A lot of the flu vaccines are live attenuated, right?

So there's actual virus. And if your immune system isn't functioning right, you can really get the flu. And the mRNA vaccine for COVID is is just an mrna strip it is does not really affect it by any immune deficiency uh so so it wasn't in any way in the same realm as correct correct okay and i think i i have to look this up, but I think there are ways to take the flu shot that are not live attenuated. Let me see. Elliot can live attenuated. Oh, that's right.

That's the intranasal one. Let me see here. Let's see. So there are some of them that are not live attenuated i believe i i was actually i was told that by one of my doctors maybe it's different maybe you're talking about something different but i was told that because of the medication i was on for crohn's disease i would have to get a flu shot that wasn't the live virus somehow right same thing the same thing that frankie was told and i and i'm getting confused about which ones are live and which ones aren't.

So the important thing is you do the research, check it out. It's looking like the intranasal one is the live attenuated, and other ones may be not. I'm getting confused myself. So I'd have to sit down and read about it for a second. But, you know, I think that's what you're running into, is this differentiation between the kinds of immunizations that are out there again people are less hung up it seems like these

days on what you call a vaccine and what you don't it's not a vaccine it's a therapeutic look from from my perspective i have always considered a vaccine vaccine therapy was originally designed from cowpox is right you took the cowpox and you've injected in people generates an immune response so anything that generates an immune response to protect against a specified pathogen that's a vaccination it people might call it an immunization they might call the other names for it but ultimately that's not split hairs. It's a vaccine. Dr. Malone. I had Dr. Malone on.

Didn't we have Dr. Malone on, Susan? Did we have him on at one time? Oh, yeah. So we've had most of the troublemakers on at one time or another because I wanted to hear what they have to say. And they're very smart guys. They're very good guys. And some of the stuff, they have points. And I agreed with some of it seemed a little far out. But we'll see.

Time will tell. So there you go. This is written. Written, go ahead. We didn't have Milona. We had McCullough. We did not have Milona. Now I think about it.

Written, are you there? Yeah, I'm here. How are you doing, what where's the what's the written thing all about that's her last name oh no it's not my last name it's a nickname my brothers and sisters couldn't make a k sound when they were little so they called me instead of Kristen. And it's tough. Got it. It's even on my license plate. What's happening? So I have COVID. Right now? Oh, no. Nice.

No, I'm fine. I got vaccinated. I felt like garbage for about a day and a half. And I feel fine now. Okay. I'm just, you know, masking. But my question is COVID-related. So I wanted to know if you have heard any updates in the field of fighting and or treating Lyme disease.

Because here in the Midwest during the summertime, that's always a very scary, panicky thing. Yeah. So we have good treatments for Lyme. The problem is getting going early, right? And then if you get far advanced Lyme, it's not clear there are treatments. So, you know, at least in terms of treating the underlying pathogen with antibiotics, it's more treating the residual immune effects that the Lyme leaves behind, which is a whole, you know know that's a very complicated field yeah that's what my pediatrician was speaking to me about last summer uh my son got i found a

trick on my son which was probably one of the grossest things in child rearing that i've ever discovered nice um afterwards they you know gave him some antibiotics good see that's that's my thing i always wonder why they don't give antibiotics more quickly with a tick bite. Some people will take the more conservative position and go, let's just watch. The rash from the tick bite is called erythema chronicum migrans, or erythema migrans chronicum, something like that. And they wait for the rash.

My thing is, why wait? The antibiotics are so simple. Essentially, it's like a cycling. Just get it going. Yeah, I got him the next day. something like that uh and they wait for the rash my thing is like why wait just get the antibiotics are so simple essentially touch the cycling just get it going yeah i got them in the next day and then i had to save the gross tick and put it in my freezer nice so that if we show symptoms later on they could actually test the dead tick so that's gross that's the way to deal with this though i mean that you're asking about you know new ways this that is proper management and uh there are different ticks right that carry different things this is i believe the ixodes tick and but there is uh derma center ticks derma center americanus

which are hard ticks if you pick them up and drop them on the table they make a click and derma derma center americanus carries Rocky Mountain spotted fever, which is quite endemic. And again, why aren't we worrying about that as opposed to monkeypox? I've seen plenty of Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I've seen plenty of murine typhus. Way sicker than monkeypox. Way sicker. Why aren't we freaking out about that?

The rats are the vector and the rat fleas, and we're doing nothing to control the rat population. In fact, in California, we're doing everything possible to make it impossible to control them. So, yeah, let's worry about monkey fox in the meantime. I get to worry about rats and everything else too. Super. Good times.

Good times. Oh, yeah. The glamour never stops. Thank you so much. Your kids are good? Yeah, they're great. None of them have COVID, but dad and I have it. Again, life being unfair, but whatever.

Everybody's great. Well, here's the thing that I want everyone to, this is the part I find a little frustrating, is we talk about the endemicity of this illness, right? It's going to be endemic. We actually hope for it to be endemic. We want it to be. That means everybody gets it eventually. So get used to that idea. And now, good, you've got

natural immunity, hybrid immunity, I imagine. And that will keep you covered for a while. I think so. The only part that stinks is because they have members of the family who were tested positive for COVID. They're not allowed to go to summer camps and all that stuff because of worries about transmission. so they're a little bummed but they'll get over it we'll find something else to do all right talk soon talk soon uh let's see here uh uh joshua let's get you up here we got more calls to go still going go ahead hey um so i want to talk about narcissism again. Imagine that. Yeah. I feel like it's, I feel like it's still very interesting in our culture. Yes, it is. And I know you've,

you've written a book on celebrity narcissism and, and Adam likes to talk about it a lot, Adam Carolla. And I feel like it still needs to be talked about. I think there needs to be a show on narcissism or something like that. There needs to be something that can focus on it primarily because I think we can put in all of what we're experiencing in that category. I'm not saying that we're all narcissistic. I'm just saying that I feel like it's something that really accounts for a lot of our mental pain, even just anxiety and depression. Yeah. Oh,

for sure. For sure. And so, and our relationship problems and our family problems and then the traumatization of the kids and it's all, it all leads there. Yeah. Everything. And so my, my thoughts on it's all, it all leads there. Yeah. Everything.

And so my, my thoughts on it today are like, someone says something very funny. Uh, Lima, the will or Lima, the will says, uh,

yeah. And real housewives leads to real housewives. It's true. It's very true, but go ahead. Well, it's sort of like we're using social media to, um,

promote our narcissistic selves in a way. Oh yeah. And if you read Dave McCraney's stuff, his point is that we put these opinions into these buckets and no one addresses some of the cognitive distortions. You know, normally humans are at their best when they're challenging one another's arguments or positions. There's a book, How Minds Change. And he said that thus far in social media, one of the big problems is there's none of that back and forth. There's just boom. There's just silos. And so opinions get more out there, more or less real, less accurate.

So, yeah, you're right. Yeah, and I think that the trouble there, the roadblock, obviously, with the narcissist is no one's going to love the narcissist more than himself. But also, no one's going to hate the narcissist more than himself. And we never forget that there's hate directed at the self for the narcissist as well. Correct. And this is a very dark place for the narcissist. Oh, yeah. And they have trouble even accessing it.

It's so painful for them. But I will say, this is the one thing I kept pointing out about Amber Heard, which is, yes, Amber Heard and Johnny Depp did us a service. They did us a, what do you call it, did us a favor. Amen. They told us, they showed us, first of all, what people with certain kinds of pathologies get into, how messy it is, how much it is not all one way or all the other. It's a very messy back and forth and how people distort things.

Johnny Depp's distorting because he's loaded her in withdrawal. Amber, Amber heard distorting because she has diagnosed personality disorder. And that borderline and histrionic disorder necessarily is associated with distortions of experience. She will have, you know, I'll pick up this bobblehead and she'll go, why did you throw that bobblehead against the wall? I saw you do that. And believe it. Not lying.

Believe it. And then lay it down as a memory that is even often more amplified in a sort of, again, sort of victim posture because that's what borderline is feeling. But although borderlines project out, and so do narcissists, all this misery that people are raining down on one another right now

is 100% projection and projective identification. And oftentimes the very thing they're accusing other people of is the very thing they do themselves. However, the individual who's engaged in all that projection and who makes other people feel misery is even more miserable. That's the thing that I want people to understand. Amber Heard is miserable and is worthy of our compassion. And that misery and then the self-hate and the loathing and the shame they feel

as they see themselves engaging in the same behaviors that they called out so-called in another person it's a bad dynamic it's not it's not a good way to go for it we have to come back from this the one um i was talking to megan today, who has a new podcast. Shoot. Caleb, help me with Megan Dom. She has the Unspeakable podcast, and she has a new one, like something, The Steps of Hell or something. It's the new podcast.

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that are a little nuts and bolts, but it's actually really specific. Doctors I see that I've seen have been dismissive of what I would say are my own health concerns. Okay. And they come because like when I, when you come in for the first time

after looking into your own health, right? I quit smoking. My anxiety is high. I have like, you know, bad shoulder, swollen lymph nodes, all that kind of stuff. I had them run some blood work on me, and I don't handle needles very well. So I've been bruising pretty aggressively here from where they took it. And then when they sent over my results, they told me everything is fine. But then when I read it, I have out of range. Let's go over it.

Okay, it's actually specifically I'm a 0.6 out of range at like 8.7 for my protein and 0.5 over for my albumin yeah and uh for a young for a young person those tend to kind of run a little high so that again the the normal range is for all ages so to be a little bit high is not a big deal. You might even be a little bit dehydrated, but probably not. So a tiny bit high is no big deal. With the dehydration thing, actually, so before that,

I had had juice and had pretty severe cold-pressed juice. I don't really drink it that often, but I was worried about my health, trying to get some extra vitamins in me. Good, good. Had pretty aggressive diarrhea in the doctor's office there

before and during that blood work and stuff. and stuff okay that being said i haven't eaten exactly uh that being said though uh would that with drinking something like that not having eaten would that bring my protein levels down that they were tracking like i because i'm really prone to like looking stuff up online given that my uncle's a doctor i like to just question ask him questions yeah of course i'm not sure the the only thing you really have to concern yourself with is the the total protein minus the albumin right this the the amount above the albumin you might you know you can kind of focus on that but that's going to be okay too i'm sure uh none of that you know albumin and protein levels you know, you can kind of focus on that, but that's going to be okay too. I'm sure. None of that, you know, abutment and protein levels, you know, total protein,

not something we really concern ourselves with, with young people, unless it's way out of line. Okay. So like, uh, like three over or three and a half over, is that something that I should, because again, they just, uh, I'm not of stuff. I understand. What units are you using? I want to say it's G slash DL and it's H on the ends of both of these. And what's the normal range and what they gave you? 6.1 to 8.1 for the protein and 3.6 to 5.1 for the albumin. And the albumin is 5.6 and the protein is 8.7. Okay.

Yeah. 0.1 for the albumin and the albumin is 5.6 and the protein is 8.7 okay yeah that is that is i think that's more i just re i would just recheck it probably hydration something like that i i really it doesn't speak of anything in particular um okay you know i would just i would just repeat it in four months something like that just make sure it's not you know the the only thing you there's other stuff that can get in there with the, you know, the ratio of the total protein to the albumin, but you're normal there. You're normal.

So, okay. Well, thank you so much. That's all you had. That's the only thing. Well, because of the like fatigue and everything else,

and they ran everything for me at once, you know, I haven't, again, hadn't been to the doctor in about eight years at this point. So, uh, I came in with that long list. How old are you? I was 27. And you, do you actually have

lymph nodes? Could the doctor find the lymph nodes? Yep. They could feel them in my throat and under my jaw and on my neck. And I'm a little, I'm, and you're very, very fatigued. I, I mean, I would say so. I usually drink coffee a fair amount, too, and keep myself up. But again, I'm prone to sleeping for a long time or feeling pretty tired. And is that something new for you? Not particularly, no. But I mean, I would say I would see probably an increase in the last year or so.

So here's what I always worry about. My bet is they sort of pushed you off is that you're anxious don't worry blah blah blah that that's the worst thing a doctor can do is is miss something that's really there and attribute everything to anxiety i mean did they give you at least a follow-up to come back very soon actually no i'm moving to arizona because i just got into a university out there. And that's kind of why I'm so concerned

because I'm making a big investment in my tuition, going out of state, getting into the engineering program out there. It's going to be really expensive. And I don't want to have

to start treatment for like multiple manila, which is what I saw online. You don't have myeloma. You don't have myeloma. Okay, you don't have that. And I understand why you freaked out.

You were reading about serum proteins, but that's not what this is. I imagine, did you get a CBC? Yes. And that was normal? Yep. That's why they were dismissive of it. That's what they told me initially.

Well, you know, there can be weird shit. I mean, you can get Lyme disease. You can have a kind of, there are weird infectious diseases that can cause fatigue and swollen glands and at least you ought to be watched by someone just to and if you are anxious all the more reason you should be watched until you can be fully reassured and feel like you're in proper care and not spinning you know spinning on your own so i i would where do you get your doctor from how did you how'd you find a doctor It's actually a cash clinic that I had found. My mother had kind of put me in contact with because she was going to because, again, I'm in between health insurances because of my age and then switching university and college.

I haven't gotten set up with the ASU stuff. All right. Get set up at ASU and get proper care. I mean get it going. And let somebody follow those lymph nodes, follow your fatigue and make sure it's nothing. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you again, Dr. Drew. Okay. Yeah. Just even if it is anxiety, you need to be reassured of what's going on here. I don't like that. I don't like when people are just sort of put off that way. But again, he went to a cash clinic and so it was probably minimal care kind of thing. Timothy, what's going on?

Unmute yourself. Timothy? There's a microphone in the lower left-hand corner of your screen. He has a little lag, so they have to figure it out. Hello? Hello, can you hear me? I do. What's happening?

Hey, Timothy. Hey. Man, I've been trying to get a hold of you. I love your show. Like, I was, like, at the beginning of COVID in 2020, I was about ready to jump off the bridge because I was so freaked out by watching CNN. Yep.

But anyway, you, you, you talked me off. You'll get, get me, you know, that was our goal.

That was our goal is to collectively get in here and make sense of stuff and stop with the craziness. My God, was that crazy? Yes. But okay. So like, i didn't get the vaccine and because my mom's an anti-vaxxer i live with her i'm 37 years old i'm i'm like a fit dude you know like uh i weigh i weigh 176 but i got covid because i work at a grocery store a very popular one by the way i got covid got COVID June 6th and I was hit with the, I thought I had food poisoning. I was throwing up for like all night on June 6th,

like violently, like projectile. And then I thought it was food poisoning, but then my symptoms weren't going away. You know, like I was having like lots of aches and pains, extreme fatigue. And now I'm on. Yeah, I'm on day. I'm on week three of this. And I had a really, really, really, really bad anxiety disorder before this undiagnosed, untreated. And now that I'm, you know, I'm three weeks into this virus and I'm waking up with extreme, extreme fatigue and like very slow breathing. I've been to the doctor many times and they say, your lungs are clear,

your lungs are fine, you know, but, but, um, it's just the symptoms, man, they won't go away. And like, I just wake up in misery every day. So there are options. options um there are three things to kind of think about one is uh fluvoxamine helped me and and uh steve kirsch had some good studies that showed it can help people so fluvoxamine is something that is out there i i've i've given it to people where they've had no effect and i've given it to people where they've had good effects so i it's not a panacea but fluvoxamine is an option for these longer haul type symptoms how can i how can i get get a hold of that and how much does it cost it's very cheap it's dollars dollars um what yeah okay it's an old medicine it's a it's a generic available uh i i would talk to your doctor and see if you can

convince him or her that this is something you'd like to try 50mg or 100mg twice a day that's all you got to do so the other thing is some people are using Paxlovid which is the antiviral in obviously earlier probably wouldn't have used it in your case but sometimes when things lag on they will try Paxlovid

and the other thing is to get onto the website covidlonghaulers.com. I already signed up and they wanted money from me for tests. They wanted like $300 or something like that. Oh boy. Was there any guidance other than that? Was there any way to get any sort of anything? I couldn't figure it out. I mean, this is the first time I figured out how to get on your show and be able to talk to you. You know, thank God. It's really good to talk to you, man. Like I've, you know, I feel like my whole family thinks that this is all anxiety.

And I was actually, I've been to the emergency room like three times. I've been to my primary car doctor three times and like somebody at the emergency room for my anxiety because i have such crazy anxiety uh prescribed me lorazepam yeah uh 0.5 milligrams but i'm scared to take it with covid because i'm worried it's going to slow my breathing down or something when i'm sleeping and i'm gonna like yeah yeah i get it i'm very that's really not going to happen your body will push through that but but you know i mean it really is a very short-term solution how many pills do they give you they gave me 2.5 milligrams and my whole family's trying to get me to take it

to calm the hell down yeah you know i i get that you have anxiety and you have covid symptoms you can have both it's possible to have both dude and so the fact that they're putting it all on anxiety seems wrong-headed to me um because everything you're describing is so sort of typical of how the covid goes and yes people are on on restream the lorazepam is uh ativan yes that's what that is so i'm having like my insight like every time i eat my symptoms come on every time i rest and sleep my and i wake up my symptoms are there like yesterday i had to go home from work i was on my second day back to work and i i woke up ate breakfast really healthy breakfast like oatmeal two eggs and potatoes went to work you know i felt shitty whatever yeah and then i i

had to eat at work because i work at a grocery store and they work i felt shitty whatever yeah and then i i had to eat at work because i work at a grocery store and they work me into the ground yeah and um i ate like like just a really healthy fish with ratatouille and wild rice and like there were some rich sauces in there and acidity stuff and that just i started having burning pains all in my stomach and like extreme extreme heartburn i've been taking pepsepsod AC cause it seems to calm it down. But anytime, and I'm about to go pick up Prilosec and Bental. Gotta cut those spices out.

Yeah. No spices. The Prilosec will cut this all off. So your doctor gave you Prilosec, right? Are you going to go get it from the other county? Yeah. I'm about to go get it from Walgreens.

Yeah. I'm about to go get it from Walgreens and I'm about to go get it from Walgreens and I have Bentil too, a prescription for Bentil for my abdominal cramps because yesterday I went to the ER. I drove myself to the ER with extreme stomach pains like burning, burning, burning and my

insides were just a mess. I got a CT scan and they didn't see anything. Do you take any aspirin or Advil or any of those sorts of medicines? I took ibuprofen for my inflammation, and it made my body numb. I'm also a recovering alcoholic. I quit in 2012. Isn't ibuprofen bad for your stomach?

Yes. So I want to point out that the ibuprofen and aspirin may have been what triggered all this stuff. I only took ibuprofen one pill one time and I didn't like it. It made me feel sick. And then I took two Tylenol. And is Tylenol bad too? No, Tylenol's fine. Advil,

not great for alcoholics, but not forbidden. It's just you don't take it for very long. And, goodness gracious uh i i don't think anybody's getting at your i mean part of the problem is there's not a lot to be done for long covet but i i you know do you think i'm gonna make it oh yeah 17 oh no you're gonna make it you're gonna make it you're gonna get better timothy you're going to get better. Timothy, you're going to get better. I lost 17 pounds. I hear you.

You're going to get better. The question is how much misery until you get there. You're going to get better. So the other thing is it's good that you're going to work. It's good that you've got to really keep exercising. That's a very important part of what you need to do. Keep moving. Keep moving.

You don't think I'm going to have a stroke? No, you're not going to have a stroke no you're not gonna stroke you're not gonna stroke hey drew how'd you do after eating garlic last night at dinner good it was nothing right uh no not nothing drew has the same problem he can't eat anything with spice you can eat you know salt and pepper and sometimes i can't use garlic i can't use you know you have to look at your diet and cut out like anything that will irritate your stomach you know yeah but then then i i feel like i have no energy because i feel like i'm eating rabbit food you know you gotta eat you gotta eat you gotta yeah but the spices are not gonna that doesn't make any difference so the way i would approach this no thai food no mexican food no Mexican food, just eat steak and potatoes.

If we were working together, yes, I'd really focus on systematic exercise, better nutrition. We would try fluvoxamine, and if that failed literally in a few days, I would probably try Paxlovid. So that would be sort of how I would approach things. Talk to your doctor about it. Do you have a doctor? Do you have somebody you can actually talk to? When did he have Paxlovid so that would be sort of how i would approach things and give it you know talk to your doctor about it yeah do you have a doctor do you have somebody you can actually talk to when did he have yeah but she's really hard i've seen her twice but she's really hard to get a hold of and she's always busy and she takes weeks she just yeah oh another thing is my first 20 days of having covid i only managed to sleep like two to four hours a night. So I was out of my mind, like anxiety. I was driving my family crazy.

It's all right for laughing, but because, because you were afraid it was going to kill you or something, what was the anxiety from? Yeah. Well, because I didn't want to go to sleep because I would wake up and my insides would feel like just disgusting. Like my lungs were really slow to breathe and achy. And like my, my, my digestives was all achy and I was crippling, crippled fatigue, like crippling. Yeah, I know. And I didn't want, so I decided I didn't want, I, I was scared to go to sleep

because I didn't want to wake up and feel like that because it would take me so long to get going every day. You know, the pain is, is going every day. The pain and the fatigue are two absolute characteristics of COVID. So, all right. I hope you feel better. Have you seen a gastroenterologist? Has anybody sent you to a specialist? No, I just had a CT scan yesterday where they plugged an IV in the diet. Don't go to urgent care or ERs.

That's not where you get systematic, thoughtful, through-line care. you don't go to urgent care or ers that that's not where you get systematic thoughtful through-line care yeah you go to an internist yeah you got to go to internist and then get to subspecialty care with gastroenterologists you really need somebody to be same thing i was telling the other guys somebody to look after you somebody to this this is not good health care you need somebody to pay attention be thinking about these things and systematically taking you through some sort of workup and treatment. Okay. You're going to be fine.

But in the meantime, this misery is sort of not acceptable. It's not easy to find, Drew. But when I, when I, when I don't eat the acidic foods like pizza and just normal food that I would normally eat, like, like my respiratory symptoms seem to go away, but my stomach issues come up, come back. And then, and then, but when I eat healthy, when I eat like cans of unsalted tuna, low-sodium stuff, oatmeal and stuff like that, then my respiratory symptoms come back.

But don't worry about your lungs. They're clear. You're speaking clearly in full sentences without having any air hunger. You're able to work hard at work. Don't worry about your lungs. The problem is the fatigue the problem is this guy taking paxlovid though and getting that metal taste in his mouth he might my mom my mom wanted me to take ivermectin because yeah i i know i and then

there's a case we made maybe for monoclonal antibodies you should talk to yo i would that's what i would like him to do but he I'm in the Bay Area well he's in Newark why don't you I'm in Santa Clara he has a website called he was there but they wanted him to pay to get on

it costs money I can't say it's free I'm a grocery store worker I got car payments I get it it's hard oh. I'm a grocery store worker. I got car payments and stuff. No, I get it. I get it. I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard. Oh, Timothy, Timothy, I hate these stories because they're just a symptom of just bad

health care more than anything. If somebody was holding you and watching you, you'd feel less out of control. Not everybody is studying COVID-19 recovery techniques. Like, you go to your doctor, they're doing a lot of different kind of medicines. It's so new. Another crazy thing is I was violently throwing up in the room across from my older brother where he lives because he lives next door

to me and he didn't get sick. He didn't get COVID. My mom didn't get COVID. How does that work? I was around both of them very sick. I got COVID. I got Alpha, the original COVID back a year and a half ago. And gave it to everyone that was around me. I had drinks with Adam Carolla the night I got sick.

And no, nothing. Nobody got sick except one of my sons. One of my sons got it and nobody else did. I was around everybody. It's so weird, Dan. A friend of mine got active covid on a plane a long plane flight last week and she didn't give it to anybody so it's it's hard to know listen tim i gotta move on but i maybe i i hate you want to desperation and i know i know you you is there

is there a way i can like re-listen to all to this this episode so i can listen to everything all the advice you told me because i really can you can find it at the link at drdrew.tv is that where the link is caleb uh yes yeah if you just go to drdrew.tv it'll be there uh you'll see it'll be the date of today's show um you can see this also on his youtube channel it has a banner of tyrus on it what i'm gonna change that banner okay it's just going to say Ask Dr. Drew And it'll be on He'll have

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And just call us back. And you can send any questions over to Susan. She'll see the email at contact at drdrew.com. Contact at drdrew.com. And Susan, the people. Maybe you should have fluvoxamine. That's what I told him. He sounds a little anxious.

Maybe that'll help. He has like an OCD thing going on too. It absolutely might help more than just his COVID. That's exactly correct. That's a Steve Kirsch remedy. And I did tell him that. Oh, you did? Okay. Yeah. And we talked about taking 50 milligrams twice a day or 100 twice a day. Yeah, but he's got to get a doctor to prescribe it. Yeah, don't give up hope on that. I had to go through five or six different doctors before I found the amazing doctor that would take our call at 2 a.m. at his home line and save my life by making me go to the hospital

when I was in denial. So it takes a bit of time, but when you find them, do not lose your best doctor once you find that person. So maybe he should look on the back of his insurance card and find a doctor he should he should give his doctor one more shot to see if she responds and give her a chance yeah and if she's not responsive then yes you have to see somebody else and Susan they're calling for you over at rumble in the chat the room they're they're wondering why you're not there i'm i'm watching you guys okay yeah i have a quick

question yeah so those free covid tests that people were able to get from covid.gov are those still yeah those still reporting accurate results even with all the new variants and everything as far as i know i've not seen any any abnormality with any problem with that sure okay good i just we've been we've been feeling a little sick the past few days and I've not seen any abnormality with any problem with that. Sure. Okay, good. We've been feeling a little sick the past few days. And so we did a COVID test two days ago and it came back negative, like very, there was not even a slight bit of a line on it.

So- You have to wait three days though to find out. Yeah, it can, you know, three to five days before you convert many times. Yeah. Oh, okay. So we should test again. Yeah, don't take it the first two days.

It's a waste of a test. Omicron has been weird. It's been sort of all over the place with when people convert. I had Omicron. I never had a positive test. But I gave it to everybody. Yeah. So we got it at the Dave Navarro thing.

And then Shelly got it. Drew got it. Well, he got sick. Remember we got that like laryngitis and he was coughing, couldn't talk. And he's like, oh, I don't have it. And he kept taking tests. And he did it like the he's like oh i don't have it and kept taking tests and he did it like the first two days he didn't do it the third day no i did it like the fourth and fifth day i did several tests i did a bunch of tests and then we were about we're going to

new york and my kids wanted to have steak dinner with us and they had it was waiting at that they waited for us we all sat down at the table and jew had a snotty rag in his hand he was coughing into his hand and he gave it to all of us because he didn't know he had it that's how i knew i had it i never had a positive test and then i flew to new york with a scratchy throat i was like oh and uh got to new york and i had it i didn't take the test for three days though i waited i didn't waste the first two days worth of tests so So, you know, and it spreads. Except Paulina, who got it later and gave it to none of us, even after having exposed all of us.

Yeah, but we had it already. I understand, but I think I would at least get a mild something. No. You guys have all been boosted up. Listen, she stayed in her bedroom the whole time. I was the only one delivering food to her. Yeah. But I didn't get it because I always wear two masks,

and I just, I don't know. i don't care if i get it one well-fitting n95 is effective i you know what i just grabbed whatever was around me but she she was in bed for five days she took paxlovid and she was better in five days but she had she was really asleep and she felt like dog do so she literally like just didn't come out of the room for five days, which is no big deal for her because she likes doing that. It was hard for me to sit in a New York apartment for five days and wait to get to go out and do something. But it wasn't that big a deal.

It was just like a bad sinus infection. So Leopold, as always, coming up with the challenging questions. Has my opinion changed on travel and COVID? Also, what about Israel high hospitalization, even though they are most anti-vaxxed on the planet? That is one of the question marks right now. There you are. So we know that the vaccines presently don't prevent COVID. They don't prevent transmission of COVID.

They seem to prevent more serious complications of COVID. The Israel data is challenging that notion, so we don't know for sure. But the one thing I would say is we have good treatments. People should not be hospitalized these days. To me, that means somebody didn't get treatments going soon enough in situations where they should have. So I'm not quite sure what to make of that high hospitalization rate in Israel yet, but I was aware of that, Leopold. And so thank you for bringing up that challenging issue. Let's see. Got three. and regarding air travel and covid like i said i had someone a friend down a 10-hour flight who got active covid and gave it to no one and the the airplane seems

to be one of the safest places you can be the airport may not be as safe as the plane so if people want to protect themselves yeah but you can have covid and not be as safe as the plane so if people want to protect themselves yeah but you can have covid and not be shedding a virus because it doesn't even show up on a severe covid like that is you're gonna have you're gonna have yeah um but but the i'm assuming she wore a mask uh masks were required on that plane but masks don't protect other people i cannot say no i thought they do they protect you wow oh my god susan you've said heard me say this a thousand times so i'm gonna say you know i don't really care n95 will protect you when a doctor goes in a room with an infected

patient he or she puts on the mask okay we don't put the mask on the patient we put the mask on ourselves yeah i ask for is well-fitting i was watching people in south pasadena walking around with masks on yesterday and a hundred degree weather masks on which do nothing okay first of all who does that in 100 degree weather and if covid dies in the heat right the outside it just doesn't in circulating air it just not does not transmit but again putting that n95 mask on will protect you. But if you take it off to eat or you don't have it on perfectly, it doesn't work. And the paper masks do very little, if nothing.

And so this is what we know now. It's called virtue signaling. And so I get confused when they start putting masks on little kids. It just doesn't make sense to me. I couldn't believe it. Everybody had a mask on the street. It was weird. Corey H., you have early repolarization on EKG.

You might need an electrophysiology study. The early repolarization is associated with things like Wolf-Parkinson-White syndrome, so check that out. And definitely, you don't want to get atrial fibrillation when you have a repolarization track or a a bypass track as we call it all right so we got to wrap things up here we appreciate y'all being here sorry that we couldn't get tyrus uh right now we will reschedule him he's not the one who has a problem but i enjoy taking calls from you guys i really enjoy talking to you situation uh i i i leave um disturbed i i hate that feeling when i

can't help somebody who's desperate for help like timothy i know he sounded so yeah and it makes me feel bad you know what i was desperate too the other day and i really appreciate it because you figure shit out you get to the bottom of it like i went to bed and i had a backache and I woke up and I had an infection according to your brain. So you were actually right. And I looked like a genius when I typed out the situation to my doctor and you were right. Mesenteric paniculitis with bilateral pleural effusions due to beta hemolytic strep. Craziness. That doesn't happen anymore because people can put an antibiotic so early.

I can open my jog andrew so it's good news for everybody don't stop the antibiotics finish the antibiotics i can open my mouth and put food in did he say how long to go did your doctor 10 days yeah 10 days oh i have to take it i didn't take it this morning because i was fasting so i'm gonna go take it i'm supposed to take your medicines even on fasting days well i didn't know because i you but i was taking a blood test like you i could just have you go oh you're not supposed to take your medicines even on fasting days. Well, I didn't know because I – but I was taking a blood test. I could just have you go, oh, you're not supposed to put anything in your stomach when you get a blood test. Well, I saw that you drank coffee with cream also. No, I didn't.

I made it and then I went, oops, and then I made a black one. All right, good. Yeah, I know. I fucked up. I went straight for – I totally forgot. I was tired. It was 6 o'clock in the morning. I know.

Thank you, Tom Cigars. Let's see if there was anything else on the restream. I'm going to go over to Rumble and see what you guys are talking about. Well, even though Tyrus didn't show up. I'm very concerned about Timothy. Even though he couldn't make it, I wanted to show this

because it's pretty amazing how well his book is doing right now. This is from Publishers Weekly showing that so far it's sold. This is just the reported hardcover copies of his memoir. Last week sold over 24,000 copies. Last week

alone. That's a total of over 72,000. And that also means that his book, even though James Patterson's memoir just came out, he's still ranking two steps higher in sales than James Patterson which is that's wild that's really amazing I've had books they but it is great but

I've had books that sold 70 000 and you still haven't sold through their advance oh yeah they really hold you to a very high standard yeah but they held they really have to sell he's such a great guy he you know what he He wrote it himself, too. Yeah, I know. So that's what's incredible. Get the book, Sport Tires. We did a great interview with him the last time he was here, and his mic was all messed up, and the sound was really terrible.

So it's not in podcast form, but he tells a story, if you can suffer through the sound, on our YouTube channel. Let me address the rumble people. Rokokoro. Doctors only wear a mask to protect themselves when they go into a room with an infectious disease or when they have a surgical field below them and they don't want their saliva to get out with all the bacteria,

not viruses, bacteria in our mouth into the surgical field. Or if there's somebody on something called reverse isolation, where reverse isolation, then we mask everybody because we can't get the patient exposed to anything because they have no immune system. That's reverse isolation. That's different. And doctors do wear a mask in that situation as well. So the idea that doctors wear masks to not infect patients, not true. Not true. It depends on, there are many different infection control mechanisms that

people use with masking and gloving and gown, that kind of stuff. Yeah, but you know why I like wearing a mask is if I sneeze because I always have allergies. If people look at me, they don't give me the stink eye right because your sneeze one of the ladies gave me the stink eye walking into the into a shop that because i didn't have a mask on she had a mask on she just gave me that look like where's your mask i'm like i'm not wearing a mask you know yeah sorry where was this in south pasadena we were walking to dinner i was like oh oh, my God. That was so weird.

I know. We live in a very weird. What have we done to people? What have we done to them? We've turned them into frightened natives. I mean, I can't wait to go to Austin where I don't have to worry about getting the dirty looks. I like that our Rumble crowd is reading the data. I can tell that they're looking at the studies and they're reading these things on their own, and that's good. But people that are wearing masks outdoors are scared natives.

We love you, Rumble Crash. Deep thinkers over there. I feel so bad for those people. I think, what have we done to them? What have we done to people? I don't know. We've made us all pussies. Watch out, everybody.

Susan's loose lips. It's true. It's me. I can't help it. I can say it. I'm not a doctor all right fair enough all right we gotta wrap this thing up uh off to austin tomorrow gonna do doc dr drew after dark make sure you uh catch up on the latest episodes please do check that out

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