Ask Dr. Drew - Insider Exposes “Food To Pharma” Pipeline Sickening Kids, Enriching Corporations & Paying Billions From Your Tax Dollars w/ Calley Means & Chef Gruel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 365

Episode Date: June 8, 2024

• NEW: Pain relief with chili pepper power... without the burning! https://capsadyn.com/drew • Calley Means, a former consultant to big pharma and big food corporations, exposes the “Devil’s Bargain” between the food industry and healthcare system that subsidizes unhealthy, sugary foods (using your tax dollars) and later profits from treating the illnesses they created. “…with food companies, an explicit goal was to get kids addicted to ultra-processed food early. There is nothing more profitable in this country than a child who is addicted and sick…” says Calley Means. “We as a country spend over $100 billion per year of government money paying for sugary food to give to kids…No other country has their low-income nutrition program subsidize food that’s going to make people sick…that’s going to cost our healthcare system trillions of dollars downstream…We are funding our destruction with a broken food system and then we have a medical system that’s complicit, basically profiting from this.” Order “Good Energy: The Surprising Connection Between Metabolism and Limitless Health” by Calley Means and Dr. Casey Means at https://amzn.to/3x3oj9U Calley Means is the co-founder of Truemed and the co-author of “Good Energy” which recently became a #1 New York Times bestseller. Calley is a former consultant for food and pharma companies, and now uses his experience to expose the practices and tactics of major food corporations. Find more at https://calleymeans.com and follow him at https://x.com/calleymeans Chef Andrew Gruel appeared as a judge on Food Network’s “Food Truck Face Off”, as a host of FYI’s “Say It to My Face!” and is the founder of American Gravy Restaurant Group. After the COVID-19 pandemic forced many restaurants to shut down, Gruel started a fund in December 2020 to raise money for out-of-work restaurant industry employees, raising over $230,000 in the first three weeks. Follow Chef Gruel at https://x.com/ChefGruel 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • CAPSADYN - Get pain relief with the power of capsaicin from chili peppers – without the burning! Capsadyn's proprietary formulation for joint & muscle pain contains no NSAIDs, opioids, anesthetics, or steroids. Try it for 15% off at https://capsadyn.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • TRU NIAGEN - For almost a decade, Dr. Drew has been taking a healthy-aging supplement called Tru Niagen, which uses a patented form of Nicotinamide Riboside to boost NAD levels. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://drdrew.com/truniagen • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW to save up to 30% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

we have a great show planned for you today first in a few minutes you'll be meeting chef andrew growl you guys know him from the gutfeld show also from the food network food truck face off he started a fund in december 2020 to raise money for out-of-work restaurant workers and employees raising over 230 000 in three weeks you can follow him uh chef Chef Gruel, G-R-U-E-L. Again, mostly, not mostly, that was his way of taking command of what the government did to his fellow employees and coworkers.

Then in studio, we're going to have ex-food industry insider, Cali Means. You can follow him at Cali Means, C-A-L-L-E-Y-M-E-A-N-S. Exposing the food to pharma pipeline, he and his sister wrote this. We're going to talk about, it's now a bestseller.

You don't want to miss out on this conversation. This should be very interesting. We're going to talk about the food industry, the pharma industry, and Dr. Fauci's testimony yesterday. Stay with us. Listen carefully to what's next. Our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction,

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but this one is exceptional. It doesn't burn. Susan's using it like crazy for her sore hand. So we are lucky to have them with us. I don't have a camera today because we have an in-house studio. I will welcome our guest in just a second. But first, I want to remind everyone that we'll have Chef Andrew Grohl in here in a minute, maybe about 20 minutes or so he raised over 230 000 in the first three weeks for restaurant industry employees who were um cast out by the lockdowns uh i'm just couldn't be happier about him taking

matters into his own man own hands that feels i i was texting kat timp this morning and i was saying i i was so glad she said last night i Gutfeld that she hasn't gotten over what the government did during COVID. She can't get over it. And I said, Kat, keep beating the drum. I can't get over it either. Unless we figure out ways to respond to it next time or to prevent this from happening, we are in danger. We are in danger. So he'll be here in a few minutes.

But right now, it's Callie Means. He is the co-founder of true med and the co-author of good energy which is uh there it is it recently became a true bestseller amazon best seller new york times bestseller people are really resonating to this and callie is a former consultant for food and pharma companies uh and his sister was a stanford surgeon a resident in head and neck who left her surgical residency because she became aware of the excesses that are resulting in some of the medical problems she was seeing and got her brother involved in this as well. And they have been using their experience to

expose the practices and the tactics of the major food companies in particular. You can follow Callie at C-A-L-L-E-Y means.com and also on X at Callie Means. Please welcome Callie Means to the program. Callie, welcome. I'm pumped to be here. I'm pumped to have you in the studio with us. We don't get to have in-studio guests that often, but this is great to have you. So I'll let you tell your story. I'm sure you have it sort of in total.

I may interrupt you, but take us through what you were doing, what your sister was doing, how that shifted, and then how that led to this book. So we were raised as, I was a young Republican, grew up in DC. And I thought being conservative, being a good American was supporting our industries, was supporting the food industry, the pharmaceutical industry. We grew up in a very traditional household in that way. We went out to Stanford together, my sister and I, my best friend, and she was much smarter than me, went on the biology track, president of her class, top of Stanford med school, went into surgery. I was into politics. So I did some campaigns and right as those campaigns were

over, worked for the two biggest vendors in DC, the food industry and the pharma industry. Any particular food company? Yeah, I worked for the American Beverage Association. And my first job, you know, right recently out of college was helping to pay the NAACP money for millions of dollars from Coke and Pepsi to say that we needed to keep food stamps spending for Coke.

That was my first foray. We actually had a deal with the NAACP to say that it was racist to take away Coke. And that's the first part of the story. And it took a long time to piece this together, but we're subsidizing ultra processed food over a hundred billion dollars in this country. Just food stamps alone, $10 billion from the government treasury goes to soda companies every year. So the mission was very simple. In my head at that time, it was let's protect choice, but it's keep the government funding for ultra-processed food. And then later in the day, my other client was Pharma, and we were helping the opioid companies at that time as a young- You've got some work to do to get your way back into heaven.

Yeah, I'm working on it. Well, it's all just the frogs boiling water. We didn't quite realize it. Which company was it? So we were working for the industry group for pharma. These guys all hide in the industry groups. And I, as a junior employee, was working to steer money to professors at Stanford and Harvard, pain specialists. And- When was this? This was 2010, 2011. Yeah. So that was in the sort of latter hours of the opioid crisis. I mean, it still went off for the same years, but it was in full swing in the early 2000s.

It was, and there was a lot of inquiry. And very notably, there was a big NIH panel at that time. And the president of that panel was the Dean of Stanford Med School at the time, Dr. Philip Pizzo. We very consciously steered him millions of dollars in research donations from opioid companies. And in 2011, the NIH actually issued a report saying that this fear of addiction was overblown and prescriptions continued going up because these folks, and we're actually seeing this today, we're just talking about Dr. Fauci, but there is no conflict of interest rules at the NIH. There is a direct funnel of both research and consulting money. I learned that very early on.

They don't even need to report it. So this is the stuff that RFK Jr. has been sort of highlighting. These are the kinds of issues he's concerned with. Yeah. You know, the opioid thing, people are not aware that that spot you're talking about, by the time you got to 2010, in the 90s, they actually criminally prosecuted doctors for inadequate treatment of pain. Do you remember this? Did you guys know about this at the time?

Well, we were helping to lobby to change all these rules, of course. Oh, of course. Oh my God. And so that froze doctors that caused none of us, then all of us said, okay, it's just going to the pain specialist. Anything goes to the pain specialist. Pain specialist took the position that pain

is what the patient says it is, pain control is what the patient says it is. And then somebody, I imagine you guys, got control of the regulators. Right. So we now have the VA first to adopt. Pain is the fifth vital sign. And the California Medical Association. And then the dominoes just fell.

Every single agency took pain is the fifth vital sign. Pain is more important than your pulse or as important. And the way they regulated it, they came after you. They didn't care if you checked the pulse. They cared if you checked the pain scale. It was disgusting. And so it really checked the pain scale. It was disgusting. And so it really was the regulators that did the dirty work. They really went to town.

Well, the FDA itself, I think you were playing at the beginning. The FDA itself is 75% funded by pharma. And the USDA, people who make food guidelines, are able to take direct donations. So absolutely, that's the core strategy. It's rigged the institutions of trust. But what you're hitting on really goes to what was happening with my sister. So at Stanford Med School, there was zero classes in nutrition, exercise, any type of metabolic connection to a disease. She traced the curriculum, 90% of it was in pharmacology. And let me be really clear, and this is what she

pieced together. Every single condition, every single chronic condition, which is 95% of medical spending, 9 out of 10 causes of death, that's what's plaguing the American population, is billed to doctors as a pill deficiency. Pain is an opioid deficiency. Heart disease is a statin deficiency. Now, obesity is a deficiency. Metformin for high blood sugar, Ambien for sleep. You go down the list, and it's all siloed.

And that is the fundamental premise of how doctors are taught. And actually, as Casey, we talked about in the book, is she 11 years into training, actually asked why she's doing all these head and neck sinus inflammation surgeries. Patients passed out below her. She's cutting out their sinus inflammation so severe.

She started asking why every patient she has on her knife has diabetes. Maybe it's related. She was reprimanded. Doctors aren't actually able to ask questions about the interconnectedness. It's what's the surgery, what's the pill. Well, and some of that is the way medicine is constructed because what they would say is not only don't ask questions,

but that's the internist problem. Oh yeah. That's the endocrinologist problem. You have no business interfering in that, you're a consultant, So just do your surgery. Her attending surgeon at one point said, quote, don't be a pussy. You didn't go to nutrition school. It's very, it's very, and this is all by design.

Well, serious medicine is cutting someone open or doing the prescription pad. You know, what Casey and I have pieced together through my sister and what we write about in this book after our mom's sudden death from the medical system and seeing the inside of that is that this is the biggest issue in the country today. RFK is hitting on it. President Trump's talking about it. We are getting sicker. We're not at our best. Today, in 2024, rates of cancer, heart disease, autoimmune conditions, everything, every single chronic condition is at its all-time high, particularly among kids. We're not at our best. 40% of- The lockdowns put a nail in that coffin as we sat at home eating and drinking. And 25% of young adults still report some kind of suicidal ideation, 40% of us.

So we have a situation where, and this is all happening. It's actually not that complicated. These are almost predominantly metabolic foodborne illnesses. I call COVID a foodborne illness. You know, people- Well, because the complications were with people with metabolic syndrome and obesity. And we had multiples higher death rates than other countries that their immune systems are better. This is a unique problem. You talk about this a lot, but I think people gloss over. They kind of say this is a worldwide problem. The childhood obesity rate in Japan is 3%.

Here it's like 25%. So we're getting sicker from a simple reason. That system is being rigged because we want cheap, addictive food. One thing I learned working for the food companies is that in 1990, the three largest food companies in the United States were actually cigarette companies.

Kraft is still owned by Philip Morris. A lot of them have been spun out, but food very consciously has been weaponized. The regulators have been bought off with the food pyramid on down the list. Which is now includes Lucky Charms, last time I checked, which was crazy. Food pyramid is upside down to begin with,

but anyway, it's just all nonsense. I don't know why we want the government to do anything. They don't do anything better. Nothing. They do nothing better. And not that I'm exonerating the medical system and the foods, you know, the industries. But, boy, the government gets involved, and that's when it gets superpowers. Right.

So I'm thinking of the opioid playbook, which really was nasty until it got out of control with the government regulators. That's when it became ridiculous. That's when somebody like me who was raising issues about it was sanctioned, was crushed by multiple different agencies as being interested in abusing patients and being opiophobic in being old fashioned dinosaur, you name it. I got crushed with that. This is the early 2000s. And now it's, oh, that's what we're supposed to be doing.

But what's interesting to me is the COVID playbook was exactly the same, wasn't it? This is what we know. This is what we know. And this is what I said. It's actually not that complicated. The pharmaceutical and healthcare industry, this is just a statement of economic fact, is the largest funder of politicians, five times more political donations

than the oil industry. They're the largest funders of regulatory agencies, 75% of the FDA budget. They are the largest funders of the mainstream media. So what happens? How do we get out of this? You have research that is paid for by these companies being refereed by the

mainstream media and regulatory agencies that are attacking you and delegitimizing you. So it's actually, it's just follow the money. It's that simple. And look, the pharmas have control over the major medical journals. And then you guys have access to them.

You give them access to the money and that's just terrible, but it's so frustrating when i hear this stuff but but what's that we're gonna bring it with chefs coming in just a second but i gotta get i gotta squeeze every every drop from casey for the moment um so one of the things that i've noticed uh and i i suspect it's in your book is yes yes, we have cheap addictive food. Right. Yes, that cheap addictive food is constructed or designed just to be cheap and addictive, not to be nutritious, right?

No real concern for nutrition. Weaponized, yes. Weaponized. And when you go, i was thinking about some travel i did in france recently where i ate their bread all day long and i did not gain an ounce and they all went oh no we make our wine differently we drink our bread differently there'll be no hangovers with the wine there'll be no weight gain with the bread do you do you document some of those changes differences between what say a country why a say, like France, produces a bread that does not give you obesity?

I mean, obviously, if you eat enough of it, it will. But it generally is more nutritious. Yes. We rely too much on research in the United States. I think I have a graph I sent, but I just tweeted it. But as peer-reviewed research on nutrition and chronic disease has gone up, so has chronic disease, so has prescriptions. We don't need a research lobby for natural food.

There's been 50,000. There's been 50,000. Yeah, so all these graphs, the first one is peer-reviewed research. The second one is drug revenues. And the third one is chronic disease. So if you actually track the peer-reviewed research, which is supposed to help us, it actually tracks with US chronic disease

going from 6% in the 1960s to now, it's over 60% of the American people. So this is just known. This is not even, this is just accepted as fact. In the rooms for consultants of the food industry and the farm industry, Harvard research, peer-reviewed is looked at as public relations. This is not unbiased research.

And that's where we've been fooled. And I just, I can't stress this enough. A lot of people are surprised by this. When I say weaponized- I'm shocked and disgusted is what it is. Yeah, and I just, the cigarette companies created the processed food industry. When they were declining in the 1980s,

they bought all the companies we know were owned by cigarette companies. It was a conscience. They took the scientists and they took the regulatory teams and they moved them to the food industry. When we see those ingredients. That is a very powerful story by itself. Yeah.

Is that getting out? I've been sharing that, even people in deep in this industry. Do people know that Kraft is still owned by Philip Morris? Kraft right now is owned by a cigarette company. But you assumed it was some sort of, I don't know. I assumed best intentions and sort of changing their focus away from tobacco, but I did not know they took the scientists and the regulators and move them on over. They're addiction companies.

Oh my God. And they also took their obvious, right? Which led to this whole, now it's the NIH actually saying, as you said, it's funny that Lucky Charms, the NIH said it's healthier than beef. What's not funny is the second line of that report says the purpose of this is to influence child nutrition. We all laughed about that. Lucky charms being healthy. That's now being brought to schools. And that's why they're serving lucky charms instead of beef, instead of fresh eggs at school. This is the part I, I, I, you know, I've kind of feel like, well, it's industry being industry.

We should just be aware of it. We should make our choices accordingly. But when the government gets involved, that's when I become incensed. Well, I'd argue this is really resonating right now. It's propping up RFK. He's putting voice to this. Yeah, that's one of the reasons. RFK, say what you will, this is one of the reasons I get involved with him is that he's raising these issues that are so important. The other just simple point I would make that this all boils down to is we would all assume if asked that the healthcare system is there to make us healthy, to stop the disease, they're not. Not one lever of the healthcare system. They're there to profit from us being

sick. That's just a simple statement of economic fact. Every lever of the healthcare system makes money when we're sick and loses money when we're healthy. The one argument I would make a little bit of pushback to that, not that it's not true, which is that we're so busy as physicians taking care of sickness. We literally can't take care, can't do anything else. We're too busy trying to keep people alive because of all the chronic everything. Now, you know what I mean? So you could argue that it's still our responsibility to shift our focus. Fine. I have no problem with that.

But the individual practitioner, we're all overwhelmed dealing with all the chronic illness and the acute illness. Well, I think on the individual level, as you know, doctors have the highest suicide rate, one of the largest in the profession. They feel trapped. I think one of the evils of the system is it takes good people, puts them in a system where they're not helping patients. You are. I want to push back.

You are. It's not that you're not, it's that somebody should have captured these folks long before they got to me. You know what I mean? I feel the same thing about mental health too. I mean, there's stuff that had been done earlier that we should be doing that we're just not doing. I mean, certainly before they get on the street and instead we just let them pile up on the street. On a systemic level, nobody's asking why 50% of teens are overweight or obese. Nobody are asking why 33% of teens have great diabetes. There's actually essentially economic celebration of that. There's no medical schools, insurance companies, the FDA, hospitals.

Everyone is profiting at a systemic level from that. It's not an attack on doctors, but the invisible hand. No, it is. There's no doubt you're right. It's just that to shift it. No, it is. There's no doubt you're right. It's just that to shift it. I think it's easy, actually. I think this is a, yeah, we can talk about it. We'll talk about the shift in a second because I want to bring gruel in for that too. But the other thing I want to ask is, do you talk about differences in how food is made and processed here

versus other countries? Yeah. I mean, the simple thing is that we're able to do more science experiments. When you look at all those labels, when you look at all those ingredients, you don't understand. Those are really sophisticated scientists doing experiments to make the food more palatable. Additionally, we have thousands of ingredients in the United States that are banned in every other country. So fundamentally, food is weaponized to make us eat more. But also, I think there is absolutely research that we don't even know and fully understand on what's happened to our cells and microbiome and underlying. Well, the microbiome is a really health. I think it's a huge, I think they're damaging ourselves. In addition, the food is

just frankly weaponized for us to eat more, which is what's happening for sure. Yeah. Did you see that study that came out two days ago? I think that ultra processed foods were no more likely to cause obesity than food food. This is the playbook. Did you see that? I did. From the USDA. Now, you look at the panel. This is from the panel that's making the recommendations for our kids. Caleb, you should go find that headline somewhere. It's unbelievable. And it's from the panel making recommendations. I saw that and my teeth almost dropped out. So go ahead. Oh, this is par for the course. Well, that's what you're telling me. That's why I thought I was going to bring something novel, but the buildup to this point

is that, yeah, this is what they do. Well, this is why it's important. And we were talking earlier, there's obviously people waking up, listening to your podcast, reading books, and trying to change from the bottoms up. I want to be clear. We have to change this from the top down. We have trillions of dollars of incentives that want us sick. For the median American who's overweight, who's diabetic, who's very sick, we have to change the top down.

And what these studies do that say now with the metabolic health crisis among kids that it's okay for kids to eat ultra-processed food and there's no link to obesity, that normalizes it for the median American. It's evil. If we just cut, and I don't mean this facetiously, I believe if we cut all nutrition research, all people at the government working nutrition and replaced it with one simple line, which is let's reduce all the processed food consumption to what it is at Japan, to what it is at Europe, from 70% where it is here in the United States

where food's able to be weaponized, to in Japan where it's 20 to 30%. If we could just focus on that as a country, we transform our human capital. When a child has diabetes by the time they're 30, they die 10 years younger. I mean, we're actually just decimating a generation of kids right now.

That's with us doing, by the way, a good job with diabetes, but spending incredible amounts of money on pharmaceuticals to do so. The US government spends more on mitochondrial conditions than the Defense Department. All preventable. I want to talk about that too. I'm sort of

feeling overwhelmed by all this. The one thing I want to say is that I do want to get people working out also. Just focusing on nutrition, focusing, just paying attention, I think helps people.

Just your book, this conversation, just raising some awareness. People could do that 30% adjustment or 50% on their own very quickly. But I also want people to understand, I know how hard it is to work out if you're not one of those people. You and I, we worked out probably our whole life.

I would love it. But there are people that hate it or don't know how hard it is to work out if you're not one of those people. You and I, we worked out probably our whole life. I would love it. But there are people that hate it or don't know how. And to be a meathead talking about the nuances of bench presses, it's not going to get these people, the majority of Americans. More Americans need to do some basic stuff. This is what we're trying to get across in the book. Actually, I wasn't that healthy. The first chapter in part two

actually goes through blood tests. My doctor said the blood tests are fine. I showed him my sister. She's like, no, these actually indicate metabolic dysfunction. I went back to the doctor like, yeah, yeah, that's definitely not good, but we don't have a pill for you yet.

You need to hit a higher level. So we actually go through- But isn't that interesting? The treatment for, you probably had metabolic syndrome or something a little bit or something. Yeah, just right on the edge, but not quite for the sad yet. So the treatment is, here's the metabolic syndrome or something a little bit. Yeah, just right on the edge, but not quite for the stat. So the treatment is, here's the treatment, diet and exercise.

That's the treatment, not a pill, the diet and exercise. But we leave that out completely. So tens of millions of people are listening here. They're being told their blood test's fine. It's actually not. It's a warning sign, but they wait for you to get sick. They wait to treat it. That was my mom.

She was on five medications, the normal rites of passage, the statins, the metformin, and cancer dies. That's what happens to an average American. It's all these little things where we pill it instead of open them up to a path of curiosity. So that's what the book's about. And it's about simple metabolic habits, food, exercise, sleep. I mean, they're the basics. But opening up, and my contribution from being a lobbyist is you know more than your doctor when it comes to chronic conditions. Your doctor is overseeing a record of utter failure. As Peter Atiyah pointed out in his book, if you control, take out chronic conditions, basically life expectancy has been flat. It's only been communicable diseases and infections, acute issues, things like that. We have a terrible record of chronic conditions, and people need to be able to trust themselves.

And then there's, and talking about Peter's book, Outlive is fantastic. And, but the other end of life, late in life, sarcopenia, losing muscle mass, getting adequate protein, getting good protein, getting proper nutrition for the elderly and exercise so the sarcopenia can be fought back so we don't fall. We don't do that.

We deal with the hip fractures. And the government advises old people to not exercise rigorously in old age. And they advise diabetic children to not limit carbs. Where did that come from? There is a devil's bargain. Careful, I may throw up. Tell me exactly where. No, it's the rigged research. It's a devil's bargain. But it is simple to change. And in the meantime, it is important for people to just know how bad it is and how revolutionary it is, frankly, to just eat natural food and exercise. I mean, this is becoming a rebellious act.

And I think that's important. I love it. That frames it nicely. All right. Kelly Means, of course, get the book, Good Energy, Good Amazon Anywhere. We are going to take a little break here and then we're going to bring, what's that? Susan's in there getting all excited about it. But because we've been involved in this stuff for a while now. So here, hold the book. I see she was yelling at me to do this. Get the book.

It's with Callie and his sister, Casey, who was a head and neck surgeon in the last year of Stanford residency, a leader. Head and neck surgeons are the top of the surgical heap right now. So obviously a brilliant woman. And she's gotten involved in functional medicine and in preventing us from getting illness and getting the primary treatment back in, which is diet and exercise, before we end up with the need for the medical system. All right. We're going to get Chef Andrew Grohl back in here in just a second.

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Andrew Grohl. He appeared as a judge on Food Network's Food Truck Face-Off. And FYI, I say it to my face, the founder of American Gravy Restaurant Group. Am I saying that right? I am. And of course, after COVID, he raised money to help people who were forced out of work by the excesses of our lovely government. Andrew Gruhl, welcome to the program. Appreciate it.

Oh, you're muted. There you go. You're back on now. I'm guessing you heard what Callie and I were talking about. I wanted to get your thoughts on this conversation. I kind of knew these things, but the specifics that Callie were just lighting up just kind of blew my mind. Yeah, well, I've been following Callie for a while, and obviously he puts such a great and eloquent kind of exclamation point on all of these things so that people can understand them. I think it's important to mention as a qualifier, too. So I actually went to school, culinary arts, became a chef, got my culinary arts degree. But then I went back to business school school and my focus was on food marketing. And all I

learned through my business program was about food marketing from the perspective of Coca-Cola and Kraft and all these massive food manufacturers. And I had an immediate distaste in my mouth. It was at that point that I got out of that particular element of the business and got in and started my own restaurants. Starting my own restaurants was when I came up against the partners in crime, the federal and state governments, when it comes to trying to put good, healthy food on the plates of my restaurant so that consumers can have it. And I think that that's the perspective I bring to this is that it's difficult to walk into a grocery store and get the right foods, but it's just as difficult for chefs, restaurateurs, and business owners to be able to access that element of the economy because the government intentionally or unintentionally makes it so difficult for us to actually sell those foods to the guests.

Tell us more what you mean there. I feel the ugly hand of the regulators afoot. Well, I'll use just anecdotal evidence and a real world example. So after I was in the restaurant industry for about 10 years, I took a step out and followed through on a passion project of mine. I started a program at the Aquarium of the Pacific called Seafood for the Future. It was a sustainable seafood program where our goal was to get people to eat more seafood. And kind of going to the point that you guys have been talking about, six of the eight leading causes of death in the United States can be alleviated to some degree by a much healthier consumption of omega-3 fatty acids only found in seafood.

Our per capita consumption of seafood in the United States is one of the lowest in the world. Take Japan as an example that you were talking about. They eat about 150 to 200 pounds of seafood per person a year. We eat 16 pounds per person. So my idea was get people to eat more seafood, more of the right types of seafood per person a year. We eat 16 pounds per person. So my idea was get people to eat more seafood, more of the right types of seafood. After three years of running this program, I started my first seafood concept, uh, slapfish, and it was a fast, casual, sustainable seafood brand back in 2010. I said, I'm going to actually go out and buy all of this

local seafood. And that's going to be part of our supply chain. I couldn't do it. You cannot buy local seafood. You cannot buy properly raised and harvested seafood or any other product, for that matter, from a chef's perspective without getting either hit by the local health departments or even just being able to access it because it's not available. And you can take that rubric and apply it to every single thing that we serve. Now, after 10 or 15 years, I've been able to really navigate that gauntlet and create a single restaurant. Now, I've sold Slapfish and I only have one restaurant. We're 100% seed oil free. We only use beef tallow, local meats, local seafood, but I pay a pretty penny. I'm lucky if I can break even and the government comes after me for every single thing that I serve, asking to prove and show where it came from and how it was harvested and did I buy it from an approved supplier.

They don't want you to be selling these specific items because it's much easier for them to make a dollar on the consolidated food system that's being pushed through both the grocery element of the food areas and then the retail element, which would be the restaurants. I feel Callie wanted to jump in. You're like, I want to talk. Go ahead. I mean, we should all be outraged hearing that. What my mind goes to is the American Diabetes Association said for diabetics that it was a good idea to drink small cans of Coke. The USDA says that two-year-olds, that it's healthy to have 10% of their diet as added sugar. And the USDA is also saying, in conjunction with the American Heart Association,

that a high ultra-processed food diet with thousands of chemicals that are banned in every other country are legal. And the chef is having trouble getting fresh seafood. And I actually have a friend who's trying to produce raw milk who got a cease and desist order and from the government. So we are not allowing raw milk. We're telling moms to not eat soft cheese when they're pregnant, but eat all the other ultra processed crap. And we're not able to do fresh fishing. I mean, this is the devil's bargain at work. And we talked about motivations.

I really do have to start putting some culpability on the leaders in charge here. I mean, we are truly being poisoned. Yes, of course. They don't care. They're so busy with their politics. Andrew, what is the solution? What are you suggesting? What do we do? do. And I want to dovetail this somehow into, I'm really worried that what I saw yesterday

during Dr. Fauci's testimony was a tainted house as well. Like the questions they were asking suggested to me that, oh, they're all bought out. That's right. They can't ask the tough questions, but what do you think we should be doing? Well, I think that because restaurants can serve so many people at once and educate people, right? Restaurants are still the public square. I speak to 100, 200, 300 guests a day sometimes. Many of them talking to me about what their doctors told them to do, the health elements, et cetera. When we switched to beef tallow in my restaurant, 100% beef tallow, we don't use any fryer oil, any vegetable oils. I had the city, right? First of all, come after me because of the fact that the fats oils and grease program fog,

they're saying that the tallow is going to clog up the sewers. It's going to make a lot worse. And why don't I just switch back to that, you know, traditional fryer oil, that mass manufactured fryer oil. So I've got, I'm getting hit from every element and I don't think they're bad people. I don't think their intentions are bad, but it's the incentive structure, right? So number one, we need to change the infrastructure. Number two, we need to educate people on this is the approach I take because when I try and talk, let's use seed oils as an example, or even sustainable seafood. Why is it important to buy sustainable seafood?

Well, everybody says they want to buy things that are sustainable, but at the end of the day, what drives our purchasing decisions are cost, convenience and taste and flavor, right? At the bottom of that scale might be health and sustainability. So we got to connect the two. You know, what people need to realize is that even if you don't care about your health, even if you don't care about the environment, these are better products. Tallow tastes better.

It doesn't leave you with that acrid, bitter flavor. It's not addictive, right? So when we talk about eating an entire bag of potato chips, it's because you're addicted to the seed oils. And it's, it's so when you eat tallow fried chips, it's going to taste better. You're not going to eat as much of it and you're going to feel a lot better. So if we can really push on this quality element, I think for those people that are disregarding the science and the health are actually going to understand, oh, well, it's a much higher quality product. And we as Americans, right? We love vanity and we love quality. So that's an important

piece. And then the second piece to it is, is that I think we need to take the approach as restaurateurs and then as consumers of the ask for, you know, forgiveness, not permission. So I can't buy the type of sourdough bread that I want to buy. And when you were mentioning the breads in France, and the reason why you feel better after eating those breads is because truly fermented breads, they're actually lower in phytic acid. And that phytic acid, it inhibits the ability to absorb nutrients. So when you eat real fermented sourdough bread, you're getting prebiotics, you're getting a lower phytic acid, you're able to absorb the nutrients better, which is why people who have gluten sensitivity can eat all of this European bread and not have any issues. Well, I can't buy that bread as a restaurant because I need to buy it

from an approved B2B supplier. Well, guess what? I'm going to go and I'm going to buy it from Sally down the road who's using a cottage license to make bread. And I'm going to buy it from six or seven Sally's who are making fresh sourdough bread at home. And when they come in and they hit me for it, well, you know what? sorry. And then obviously now I'm publishing this idea, but you know, those are the things we need to do is we need to just kind of skirt the system to serve the right products in our restaurants. And that applies to everything from cheeses to milk. Yeah. This is what Callie is saying is that this should be an act of rebelliousness that, that if you, if you frame things that way, I think it kind of captures people's imagination a little bit. And I want to

shine a little light on the seed oil, vegetable oil story, if you don't mind, which is another travesty, but I was actually aware of that one. If you guys know Kate Shanahan, she wrote a book called deep nutrition and she's a biochemist. She's a family practitioner. And when I first met her, she goes, nutrition is way too complicated for us to really understand the science in any detail. But there's a couple of things I can say. And I can talk about the damages done by seed oil and vegetable oil. And that we should be using tallow and butter and avocado and olive oil and whatnot. But really, she's big on tallow and butter.

So I'm glad to see that. And we've been using the Paleo Valley tallow. We literally use it all the time now. And so I really feel like it's the right thing to do. It's the healthiest alternative. It cooks hotter too, I think. Is that right, Andrew? Yeah, well, you can, right?

Just because it's more refined. So you can get it up to about 454, 75 degrees. You know, the smoke point of oils versus tallow, et cetera, I think that's played out way too much. Fat is fat. And instance, butter that has a lot of the milk solids in there, you can clarify that to make ghee. Go ahead and use your fat the same way that you would with any of the vegetable oils and cali's trying to jump in no no i i just you're resonating so

much i mean um i think we're all angry but um kind of inspired i mean paleo valley what andrew's trying to do switching to tallow to To me, these are frontline healthcare operations. Well, it's anybody that studies it, right? Anybody that studies nutrition and what's going on in this country immediately goes this direction. It's not like people go, we need more of that seed oil, or we need more of those Doritos, unless they're bought out in the system and part of the whole apparatus. No, they're addictive. As Andrew said, the natural food, there's no animals in the wild that are morbidly and epidemically obese and diabetic.

We're actually the only animals that have these metabolic issues are humans and animals who've domesticated and fed, the animals that listen to the experts. We're born with innate understanding where we're eating our biologically appropriate food to control what we're eating, to know what's best for us. These foods, these ultra-processed foods hijack us. And I just, what Andrew's doing, what Paleo Valley is, which is a big brand, I'm a fan of. Oh, good.

Oh, I didn't know that. That's great. Our company, TrueMed, we work, I believe these are frontline healthcare companies. I listen, when I find them, when you find like-minded people, you're like, oh, oh, it's like you're like a- They're frontline healthcare workers.

Yeah, like you understand. Oh, Susan's going grabbing tallow a- They're frontline healthcare workers. Yeah, like you understand. Oh, Susan's going grabbing towel out of the closet. So, okay. She'll put towel in front of me in a second. Oh, nice. It's hard. I'm going to slide that in. It's hard what?

It's hard for companies to do the right thing. I've got to know the- I scooped this into a frying pan last night. But as Andrew's talking about, these companies have to go through a lot of more difficult processes to put the right things in those ingredients. We should be supporting them, and government money should be going to these companies. And it's not that much more expensive to buy these foods, is it? I mean, I don't experience it that way.

I'm not out there comparing prices. Help me, Andrew. Is it a costly thing? It is very costly, but here's the thing. Let me explain this. And I educate a lot of other chefs and restaurateurs on this. It's costly when you look at it from an apples to apples perspective. But you can't compare them as apples.

Because tallow versus any of these rich fats, you only need a marginal amount in order to get the same amount of flavor. You see, we use way too much fat in general when we cook in America. We think fat is flavor. That's kind of the French cliche. Well, it's not. Fat actually mutes flavor at a certain point. There's diminishing returns. So what I've been able to do is that I can keep it at a net zero by using a lot less fat, which in general is healthier. And then I get a much higher quality fat. So we use everything from ghee to tallow to duck fat, bacon fat. I've lately been using a lot of this zero acres, the fermented sugar cane, which is very, very low in linoleic acid. It's an alternative product that they've been, they've been investing a lot into. You'll probably hear more about it in the future. I like it.

And then avocado oil, right? So you use less of it. So in the end, you don't need it because the reason people use so much vegetable oil and so much canola oil is because we've been conditioned to just eat a ton of it. Like, oh, it's heart healthy. Not only that, we're told that's the healthy one. You know, a margarine is the healthy alternative to butter. You want to eat these things. Butter is bad. It clogs your arteries. Oh, you can hear your arteries shutting.

I mean, the rhetoric around these things is just an insanity. I think a thing I want to say. Sorry, Andrew. Oh, shoot. Yeah, I'll just say real quick. The lobbying power of the vegetable and seed oil industry is unfathomable um one stat that just i still can't get my head around is that every baby formula in the country is required to have seed oils so the soybean farmers actually lobbied have a bill and the all formulations the united

states of baby formula have to have, you'll see, soybean oil on the ingredients. So these products sometimes are a little bit more expensive. That's not the free market at work. 95% of agriculture subsidies, and the US spends more on agriculture subsidies than the rest of the world combined, go to the crops that make basically junk food, the crops that make seed oils, corn, so meat. And so there's really, these companies are playing with a hand tie behind their back. You know, I've got to know that the sweet green guys, the founders of that company, which I really respect and their salads are more expensive. A big Mac is like $2 because there's so many subsidized ingredients, unfortunately, in our ultra process, in our junk food. And it is harder.

So we've got to support these companies. That's, I think, where the first part of the revolution starts. But I really think a free market is actually removing those. If you add them up, over $100 billion of subsidies a year to junk food and a lot of difficulties for people like Andrew to do the right thing, we've got to just level the playing field at a minimum. So the answer is, you said that there's a fairly easy shift to move away from this. Is that your recommendation to get rid of the subsidies? Absolutely. Is that what you were talking about? This is what we're lobbying for. I think the American people, we should trust to do the right thing if the incentives are right. We need to remove the subsidies for food that's killing us.

And number two, we need to just stop recommending it. I mean, the president, the secretary of defense, because only 77% of Americans are eligible to join the military of military age because we're so unfit. You know, the secretary of the treasury,

we're going bankrupt from healthcare costs. Dr. Fauci, if he was still there, the head of the NIH. We should have all of the leaders of government standing up and saying, it is not good to eat ultra-processed food. It is not good to feed kids sugar. It is not good to eat these ultra-processed oils. If they said that and just recommended it, people listened to doctors. For better or worse, 90% of Americans, after Dr. Fauci told us to, got the vax.

We followed the food pyramid when that came out. We shifted 20% of our entire diet to carbs. We stopped smoking to a large degree. We actually listened to doctors. So that's when I say it's actually from a top-down perspective. I don't think it's that complicated. Stop recommending, stop subsidizing. We just need moral courage, which some people on the national level are showing right now, as we know. Andrew, I'm sure you agree. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's the overcooked American food system. 50 years ago, we used to be able to

grow livestock, vegetables, fruits, different grains, all in one plot. But then the government stepped in and started subsidizing. But what they're going to say from a macroeconomic perspective is, think comparative advantage. This is only helping the economy. And it's about the incentives. We keep talking about the incentive structure, and it's a monetary incentive structure. But what they don't realize is that if we fix the food system, we spend four point five trillion dollars a year on on health care. Right. That's 20 percent of the entire budget, probably more than the Pentagon. And if we fix the health care system, well, then we're going to actually fix the economy as a whole. So even if we do decentralize the food system and things are a little bit more expensive for a short period of time, we've got to think about the long game, right? The marathon

and not the sprint here. So, uh, Andrew, I'm going to play, uh, our friend, Greg Gutfeld for a second. Uh, cause I see you and enjoy you regularly on the show. So the way he would turn to you, he'd go, well, Andrew, you're a chef. So you say a chef, so you say, and you're a smart guy. I wonder what you saw yesterday or what concerned you in the House committee where Dr. Fauci sat and was interviewed yesterday. To me, it looked like everyone was somehow unable to ask the tough questions. What did you see? I saw the exact same thing. And actually, on my episode with Gutfeld about a week ago,

we talked about it when they were grilling Fauci's associate in regards to his emails, and they spent like 10 or 15 minutes talking about sexism in the emails and not the actual fact that they were lying and trying to hide information about the pandemic. And they did the same thing yesterday. Nobody asked them the hard questions, right? How are you the highest paid, have the most amount of money of any retired government employee? Where'd all this money come from? And they also should have held up a lot of his hypocrisy in front of him. You said this, but this is what you're saying right now. They were stumped. I mean, it blew my mind that he didn't care.

I mean, he's walking away. The guy's rich. The guy's retired. He's like, yeah, sure, bring it on. I mean, you're not going to do anything to me. But every time I wonder, why aren't they looking into this? Why aren't they going after that? I think, oh, yeah, that's right.

They're bought and sold, too. And that's what you're telling me, Callie. Each one of them probably has a pharma research organization, a food something involved in their campaigns. Healthcare is one of the few issues where there's no ideology. Let's not forget Obamacare was created by the Heritage Foundation, was the most conservative healthcare policy passed by Romney, Romneycare. Then it was used for Obamacare. The Republicans didn't like it. Then when Trump was elected and they actually could repeal and replace, there was no plan. Healthcare is the issue where Elizabeth Warren is aggressively fighting for tax

cuts. This is a uniparty system. And unfortunately, I think there's too much to lose on both sides if Fauci goes down. Fauci is the Rosetta Stone of what's making all of our kids sick and depressed. Really? In fact, Fauci oversaw the largest research budget since 1980 for chronic conditions, for health in the world. He doled out personally more money for research than any person in the world. Under his watch, chronic conditions went from 8% of the American population to 65% as we spent trillions and trillions of dollars to research treatments that profit from those trends. He is a fixture of that item. And just one thing, and this is what I think people are really catching on to and a huge part of our lobbying. Andrew pointed this out. We need to think about that $4.5 trillion that we spend a year, which pharmacies

is its piggy bank. We need that to go to food. In Europe, in Spain, they spend three times less per capita on healthcare, two times more on food, and they live six years longer. I don't like to give Europe credit, but they have much better outcomes. Six years, seven years in France, they outlive us. That's a lot when you look at our lifespan. That's an average. They see food as medicine. Andrew talked about omega-3s. An omega-3 supplementation, 1,000 milligrams of DHA is more effective than an antidepressant. Just literally eating some more salmon, as they do in Japan, versus taking an SSRI. It's more effective.

I hear our mutual friend Dan Amon in that data. He's a hero. I have to show you because we just talked about salmon. This is my baby Presley. She's seven months old. She has two and a half teeth and she loves salmon. There you go. Kids love healthy food.

She loves it. Now, I don't want to crap on that in any way, but I worry, and this is what I wanted to ask Andrew about, is how we source our seafood. I don't really understand that landscape very well. And I eat a lot of salmon too, but I always wonder, am I getting the right kind? Is this from the right source? I don't know how to do that. What can you tell us that an average person kind of simply get their head around it? Okay, this is something that I could go on for years, but I'll try and consolidate it.

So we're the only country in the world that doesn't have a framework set up for our own open ocean aquaculture. And I know we've been told that fish farming is bad, but you got to understand there's a scale. So there's something called stock fortification. All the seafood that's coming out of Alaska, well, 67% of it starts off in hatcheries. So you can actually start fishing hatcheries, release them into the wild, and then open ocean aquaculture would take over from there. We won't do it in the United States because of all of these special interest money

that's preventing us from doing so. So we're saying we want to protect our ocean, but by not doing it. So instead, we buy from China, the Philippines, Indonesia, the third largest trade deficit behind oil and automobiles is seafood. We're importing all of this junk. So we need to deregulate so that we can actually do at least if anything, fortify stocks in the U S but by the Magnuson Stevenson act, the United States actually has one of the most sustainable fisheries in the world. We are beyond our maximum sustainable yield. So the ocean is incredibly resilient. We are not at risk of overfishing our oceans. That's hyperbole and hysteria. And we need to eat more

seafood, U.S. wild seafood or seafood that's been farmed in a manner that we know is responsible. So what should I do? Where should I get my salmon? Can I get it from the groceries? Yeah, look for U.S. Wild Seafood. And if you buy farm seafood, look for the logo that says Best Aquaculture Practice because that certifies the farm, the fishery, the feed mill, and the processing facilities. So you know that it's hit all of the necessary marks in order for it to be both sustainable ecologically and from the perspective of the biomass of the species itself. What is that label again? What's the label? What is that label again? Tell us. What's the label?

What's the label again? Best Aquaculture Practice, BAP. Got it. Cali, anything to add to that? Yeah, I just think this path of exploration, as you said, we're not all going to get there today, but the omega-3 versus omega-6 profile of beef, that's grain-fed versus grass-fed. We talk about this a lot in the book, but it's reversed. Omega-6 fatty acids are inflammatory. Omega-3s are anti-inflammatory.

The ratio has shifted in the past 100 years 10x. We've reversed it. We're eating significantly more omega-6s. And you just go into the sourcing of the food. The cows are not made to eat these GMO grains and corn. They just took their entire evolutionary history and threw that at them. That's changed the structure of that animal's cells. That's changing what we're eating. So I think it's a criminal that we don't talk about this as we used to in schools, that we don't educate folks on this, that there's not really a conversation around this. There's a real difference with how the animal

was raised, how that fish was sourced. This is a real goal of the book to really go step by step through this. But I think food is one of the only things where you don't break it down into the components and literally like the, the, the, the Omega profile, the Omega six versus Omega, it's literally completely different based on how that animal was raised. And I just think that's really important to know. That's why people emphasize the grass fed beef. Andrew, I've got to sort of move towards the exit here. I want to give you a chance to sort of wrap up your thoughts and where you want people to go and what you want them thinking about. And do me a favor.

Next time or let's see, when do we like to be in New York again? Probably going to be a little while, but we'll try to time. Let's try to time our Gutfeld appearances together so we can be in person there. Let's work on that. Okay. That'd be great. So give us your last thoughts. Go ahead. Let's work on that. Okay. That'd be great. So I- Give us your, yeah, last thoughts. Go ahead.

I would just say in closing, I mean, we got to think about where we buy our food. So whether it's going to local independent one-off restaurants that you know are buying the right product, start asking questions too. Even when you do grow to your grocery store, ask where it comes from, you know, at the butcher counter, when it comes to seafood, going online and utilizing a lot of these kind of platforms now where you can actually get good seafood. And by the way, frozen seafood is not bad. Frozen seafood is a great thing. If you think about it, all sushi has to be frozen in order to kill the parasites. So freezing is not bad.

Getting frozen seafood online that comes from a U.S. fishery is a great move. But just asking a lot of questions. Food is the answer to all of this. Food is the great move. But, you know, just asking a lot of questions, food is the answer to all of this. Food is the great unifier. And that's, you know, kind of my thesis of my everyday life. Thank you, Andrew. And I would say, talking to my European friends, they pointed something out to me that I thought was a pretty interesting insight, which is food should be your friend, not your enemy. You know, here we see it as, oh, the foods are, I got to fight food. I got to fight it off. I have to not eat the Doritos.

I have to watch the, you know, as opposed to something to be enjoyed as something that's, you know, something a part of the richness of living. And I feel like we're moving that way, but we need to run that way. So thank you for all you're doing. Andrew Grohl, everybody follow him, chef Grohl, G-r-u-e-l on x uh and uh check out let's see uh where else you can find him that you want to support what he's doing i think that's it mostly so um callie you're here in the studio so you get to have last words before though your last words. I'm wondering what you're,

I'm going to give your sister a chance to be here by proxy. Like what would she say to us about the book and about the conversation we've been having? This is where the rubber hits the road. If you or your child is at a doctor's office and they are taking out a prescription pad for a chronic condition, think twice. You do not need to go on that statin right away. You do not need to go on that metformin, that ozempic. You are being sat on a chronic disease pharmaceutical treadmill that's saying

that pill is the savior and preventing you from the core metabolic curiosity about our movement, about sunlight, about food that all of us as humans have to be on. If you have an acute issue, a gunshot wound, a burst appendix, infection, absolutely, I see the doctor. And to be fair, I've been very aware of my metabolic syndrome and using diet and exercise most of my life. But I kept pushing my weight down and losing more weight and doing more running and a little more cardio. And finally, one physician looked at me and went, you know, your blood pressure is still up. You could only outrun your genetics so long. And so I'm on an antihypertensive, but I've done,

I'm on essentially nothing. It's just a small whiff of a generic product. And I still maintain diet and exercise. When my mom had her cancer diagnosis, she was on five different medications and was told by our primary care provider that she was healthy because that's less medications than the average 70-year-old. We dole out 5 billion prescriptions a year in America. So this is not an anti-drug fully crusade. It is a strong message that we have totally failed with siloing and drugging chronic conditions. It's not the answer. It's not the answer. And it's sad that we're so sick.

It's just, we should be worried about it. And then when you look at the corruption and what's needed to solve it, you should be sick to your stomach. Well, the greatest example recently is the American Academy of Pediatrics, which said nothing about food stamp funding on Coke, drugging all these kids. They recently said that if your 12-year-old is overweight, it's not wait and see with dietary interventions, immediate ozempic intervention.

That's a lifetime injection. Any parents listening, if their kid, just like if they're a little bit sad, they'll be prescribed an SSRI. If they're overweight at a doctor's office, you will be basically told you're going against the scientific consensus if you don't start putting an ozempic shot, weekly lifetime shot into your child's arm. That is wrong. That is not the cause of our obesity. The child needs to learn that one way or another, or they're going to have a more suboptimal life. We've got bottoms up tips in the book, and we are fighting really hard to change these top-down incentives. And something, if you listen to my shows, I bring up oftentimes, my dad was a family practitioner and he drilled into my head how dangerous medicines are.

I was not allowed to take an antibiotic until I was 15. And I remember the day, it was like, all right, here we go. Your pediatrician wants to do this. We'll see. Because medicines are, all medicines are dangerous. It's only when the risk reward is worth it and you've done everything else other than take a pharmaceutical agent. We've lost track of that. We expect all to be solved by a pill, which is the opposite. The pill is something you should be sad that you have to graduate to because there are no more alternatives to help you. And fine, I'm glad we have them when we do, but it's still got to be worth the risk reward every time you reach for the prescription pad. 100%.

We need to completely change our paradigm. You're not going to hear that from your doctor, most likely. I'd strongly recommend getting more blood tests, finding more of a functional medicine doctor as you can. But we have more power than we're told. And we can go on a path of expiration. And the cures for chronic conditions, depression, infertility,

where PCOS leads to cause of female infertility, the best intervention is a keto diet. For sure. Not going on the whole- Or at least weight loss. Yeah, 100%. We were not told the basic standards of care that are actually correct.

I remember the first time I saw a thin PCOS patient on Metformin. I was like, why are you doing that? Your sugar was normal. And I'm like, okay, I'm not sure. By the way, I did find another place you can look up, Andrew Grohl. You can go to andrewgrohl.substack.com. I'm sure you read some of these opinions that you heard here today.

Callie, I hope to support you, work with you. I hope we can continue to be in each other's lives. This seems like important work to me. And yeah, thank you for being here and coming into our studio. So it was really amazing. Caleb, there's the book. Go get it, support them.

It's literally a top 10, a real top 10, not in a nutrition category. This is resonating for people. Caleb, let's throw the upcoming guests up, if you don't mind. I got a letter, a long email from Emily Barsh who wanted me to be able to pronounce everybody's name. I'm going to be guessing again, everybody. Rachel Moore and Thomas Pappas. I can tell you what that is in just a second.

That's going to be tomorrow. Give me one second. Oh, this is going to be about the Trump Derangement Syndrome. This is the manuscript that's sitting right here in front of me. It's a very interesting book. I look forward to having that conversation. We have the Pfizer whistleblower, Melissa McKeddy, coming in. We have Winston Marshall from the Mumford & Sons.

You saw him take on Nancy Pelosi at the Oxford Club. Naomi Wolf and Brian O'Shea for an extra long episode. We're going to get a duet of concerns there. Oh boy, I can't wait. Yeah, I'm sure Susan will be freaked out. We're going to be scared about China. And check out the rest of our guests. Again, sorry, I don't have the specifics in front of me. Emily, I know I've let you down on this one, but I will review it all again tomorrow when we have our friends who wrote the Trump Derangement book here. It's very interesting.

They're mental health professionals and have a very comprehensive theory about this. And I want to get into it. I'm obsessed with our hysteria. Why hysterics? Some of the part that's being left off in the conversation these days, you know, I heard on Twitter spaces yesterday a gentleman who was in the pandemic of preparedness organizations prior to COVID, and he said they were all just thrown away. We all agreed what we were going to do, and they were cast out. Why? Well, hysteria was part of

the why, and I think where the hysteria was occurring is something we need to really put our finger on. All right. So, Susan, anything from your standpoint? I just want to tell everybody to check out vShred. DrDrew.com slash vShred and DrDrew.com slash Paleo Valley. It's a good start on your health. Yeah. And the vShred was our attempt to get into this.

Because I've been aware for a long time. I was not doing a good job of helping people with diet and exercise. And the more I get into it, the more sort of compassion I get about it. And it's about getting you to change. Those of you, don't start down this road if you're young. And if you're older and have accumulated some metabolic issues, we can change that. We can help you with that. All right, everybody.

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