Ask Dr. Drew - Is MAHA Actually Winning? Why MSM Continues Attacks On RFK w/ Gary Brecka, Foster Coulson, Peter Gillooly & Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 545

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

Peter Gillooly, Foster Coulson, Gary Brecka & Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson: four pioneers in health and wellness join Dr. Drew to discuss the state of MAHA, recent wins of the movement, ridiculous media attacks disguised as journalism, and how we can support RFK’s mission to improve the health of Americans and the world. Peter Gillooly is CEO of The Wellness Company. Since founding in 2022, Peter has led efforts to make healthcare preventative, proactive, and patient-first, integrating allopathic and naturopathic medicine for better patient outcomes. Follow at https://x.com/petergillooly and learn more at https://drdrew.com/twc Foster Coulson is the founder of The Wellness Company. He is a serial entrepreneur who launched innovations in sustainable wood products, aerial firefighting, and industrial cleaning before founding TWC. Follow him at https://x.com/FosterCoulson Gary Brecka is the founder of The Ultimate Human and a longevity expert with over two decades of biomarker analysis. He’s known for combining precision science with personal wellness insights. Follow at https://x.com/TheGaryBrecka Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson is the co-CEO and co-Founder of Seraphina Therapeutics (makers of Fatty 15) and author of The Longevity Nutrient. She’s an expert in fatty acid science and the discovery of the novel nutrient Fatty15. Follow at https://x.com/meetfatty15 and learn more at https://drdrew.com/fatty 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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the origins of that and the medical freedom movement and their relationship with maha then gary brekka comes in you all know gary now uh the ultimate human he's going to talk about his encyclopedic experience of what's going on to make america healthy again and Dr. Stephanie Van Watson will return to talk a little bit more about the longevity nutrient, in particular fatty acids, pentadecinoic acid, cellular metabolism, oxidative stress on the lipid bioblayer membranes, and what we can do to fight that off. Stephanie is at X on meat fatty 15, meat M-E-E-E-E-T. Gary Breca is the Gary Brecker, B-R-E-C-A. Foster is Foster Colson, C-U-L-L-S-O-1.

These are all X handles. And TWC underscore Health and Peter Galooly. I'll spell it for you and we get back. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this fact. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction. Fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous.

I'm a doctor for a second. Where the hell you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents, and to prevent, and to treat.

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Thank you for all you do for medical freedom. I'm going to start with Foster, if you guys don't mind. And how did this happen, Foster? You woke up one day? I think I'm going to contribute to the progress of medicine in the United States. What happened? Well, thanks for having us on your show today, Dr. Drew. And yeah, you know, it was the heart of 2020, and things were raised.

And I've always tried to be an entrepreneur that created solution-based options. And I saw when I looked around that just, you know, there was nobody putting the customer of the patient first. And we were being forced to put these things in our bodies or do certain things from employers, the government. And so I wanted to create an option for people and a healthcare company that stood for something totally different that stood for putting the power back in your hands to make decisions on your body because it's yours. And that was really the heart and the genesis of the wellness company. And when I met Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Harvey Rich,

you saw that this was a really amazing team that we're able to put together. And of course, Peter joined us early on as well. And that was really the beginning of it. You know what else, Foster? I was telling my audience yesterday that, you know, medical freedom, readiness, what Dr. Kelly Victor and I have been calling rational, readiness. It has many sort of permutations to it in that I recently heard, I mean, we were doing it because we thought people should be have access to what they want. They should be ready.

We put these kids together for, you know, for people to have medical freedom to make choices for their family with telehealth backup. But I just read yesterday where there may be significant drug shortages coming. And so this readiness to take care of your family has many, many different layers to it. It's not just breaking free of a system that is. It's going to be, you know, it's cumbersome and expensive and, you know, and I loaded with all kinds of things you don't need, but you also may get stuck. Yeah, I think we really, if anything, we live in uncertain times. I mean, look what's happening on a geopolitical level.

And I think one of the things with shortages that we've seen is taking that control into your own hands and being prepared and having those, you know, drugs and solutions at the ready in your own laundry room closet, that I like to say, it just better prepares you for anything that comes because we live in a world that I think is evolving rapidly at a very rapid pace. And you can never be too prepared to take your health in your own hands and take control of your own health. And that was the whole genesis of our medical emergency kits is some of these drugs are difficult to get. And sometimes that's the difference between a positive outcome and a negative outcome is how quickly you can get access to them. And so having those in our kit at the ready has made a tremendous

impact on a lot of people's lives that we have firsthand experience knowing ours mine we over the weekend why i was reaching for it now i have a very close friend got a cat bite this morning she's brought the augmentin out of her kid i said go ahead let's do it a facial cat bite and by the way the people don't know cat bites have a they have a bacteria and called pasturella and it can be extremely problematic and if you get it on your face you can get a brain infection within minutes yeah and he had it near his orbit and there was a very, very lax area where infections can get in very readily. What's that, Susan? Oh, yeah, you get too close to the eyes are, ugh.

Yeah, yeah. So I always tell people, too, I mean, it's medical efficiency. You don't, why would you want to go to an urgent care center and pay for all that infrastructure? It's completely, like, you don't know how to use the mupericin ointment? You've never used that before. You know how to put little ointment on your wound. You have to go to urgent care.

I mean, it's so ridiculous. We infantilize patients and their families, but I've said enough of that. Do you want to talk a little bit about your background with firefighting and forestry, just a little bit, so people get a flavor of where you came from? Yeah, so my family is a long line of entrepreneurs

that started from my grandfather, and then my father came and built our aviation business, which we primarily focus on firefighting, And we help communities in a different way than how the wellness company helps the individual. But we've always come from, I think, a purpose-driven family of trying to make a difference. And so with what we do today, we're one of my family's group of companies. We're one of the largest special mission aviation firefighting companies out there today. And we go in when everybody else is fleeing and leaving to go try and help make a difference in people's lives.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's being modest. I mean, here in Southern California, you look up during firefighting season, and it is his aircraft, and you're thanking God when they come around with that orange fire retardant. And, oh, there's your website. And we even saw it during the Palisades Fire and stuff. I felt like I saw your people around then, and that's a rapid deployment. Well, you know, not a lot of people.

It is. And you know what not a lot of people talk about is, you know, I know the EPA did a study in 2016, do you know how many the health costs associated with smoke from firefighters in the United States? In 2016, it was over $60 billion. I know the U.S. Congress did a study in 2022. They estimate over $200 billion of health costs related and attributed to smoke from forest fires. Now, part of that's Canada's, and maybe we should put a tariff on that smoke, but it hasn't come through yet, but you know, maybe one day it will. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. help offset it.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We need to begin setting up a territory for the great state of British Columbia and just bring it on into the United States. Forget the tariff. They just need the government to agree. Apparently, that's all it takes. You just got to get a committee to set up a territory. But, yeah, I had an argument with the guy in this state who pushed through this legislation

that was going to require electrical cards by 2035. And I said, in one fire season here, you're going to undo 10 years of your electric car in every vehicle being electric. Why aren't we doing forestry management? What is wrong with you? Are you worried about CO2 or are you not worried about it? If you're actually worried about CO2 and, in fact, just not telling people how to live their life, which seemed more his concern, you should be really dealing with the forestry situation in this state. The power of the lobbyists, they're trying to get rid of gas burners to go. to electric burners because that's what's going to save America.

That's what's going to save the world from global warming. Yeah. And let me bring Peter in. Peter is ridiculous. Peter is your CEO. And Peter, you got recruited and you've formed this company. I'm going to guess you saw what I saw when I first got involved with TWC was like, oh my God, this is such a good idea.

Medical freedom is a really important topic now. Well, actually, Drew, looking back. back, it was a little bit of a crazy idea at the time. And I think the thing that Foster and I maybe most resonated was we were scratching your own itch. We both felt that there was a big gap in the market. We didn't know how many other people out there also felt the same way. But fortunately, it's been a much larger number than we can anticipate.

And Drew, I don't know if you know this. Did you know that less than 5% of health care spending in America is on preventative care? Does that seem a little backwards to you? Oh, this is our next topic, which is your support for Maha and what we're trying to do to improve the health so we're not, look, there's so many, the problem with our health care system is we don't do enough leading into trouble with the health care and that we do too much at the end of life

where there's no hope of anything useful to be done. We get everything wrong in this country. We get the worst of all possible worlds. 100%. And if you're a rational entrepreneur here looking to start a company in the health care space, you don't focus on preventative care, Drew, because that doesn't pay. But we found a way that actually resonates with Americans. And I think the silver lining coming out of the pandemic was that people are finally starting to take their health more seriously. They maybe grew a little bit more disillusioned with their primary care physician that they've been taking advice blindly from for

the past 40 years. And they wanted to be educated. And I think, you know, it's great doctors like you who are out there, you know, preaching the gospel of whole life health and all the different aspects and dimensions of health besides traditional allopathic medicine or emergency medicine. Most Americans, primary care physician, Drew, is their ER doctor. That's not good. No, that's absolutely correct. That is the reason they don't trust. And the ER doctor was following the commands of the hospital who was following the commands

of the centralized forces in the government. It is the worst form of health care. But let's talk about what TWC has in terms of these health maintenance, health sustaining, longevity products. I mean, you guys, talk to people a little bit about how carefully, I know this is, you're a, I'm going to tell people that Peter is a chemical engineer by training and business, but his engineering background is figured in, importantly in the products at TWC. So talk about what you're proud of there, what you have, what you've done to help both improve. health, and longevity. It's a great question, and you've talked about some of these products before on the show. So I won't go too deeply into things like our Spike Detox.

I mean, that was really one of those products that we didn't know if that was going to be a flash in the pan, but it turned out that, you know, the world is still healing from the repercussion of the pandemic. And I anticipate there's going to be much more to come there. But I think a founding principle, Drew, that we try to abide by is science-based, right? which might be a novel concept to some, but we want to see research on every single ingredient that we put in our supplements.

And I want our chief medical board to really look at those studies and say yay or day. Because if they wouldn't take it, why should anybody else? And I really think that that's been a powerful piece of guiding light that we've followed here is we've designed our products. And the other important guiding light

is that board you put together is just incredible. I've learned so much from, you mentioned, I guess, Foster mentioned Dr. McCullough and Dr. Reich already, but so many board members have so much to offer. It's been a wonderful thing to be a part of. It really has, and the medical board was instrumental in building our emergency kit line. We currently have eight separate kits that handle, I believe, over 100 different medical conditions, which is just astonishing. And the reports we've gotten back from patients is honestly mind-blowing.

I mean, how many people's lives have been saved, literally saved, from having these kits in their home, as Foster mentioned. But, you know, we have very innovative weight loss products. We're investing actively in IP now because we really see some opportunities to differentiate ourselves on the delivery and modalities that you're able to take supplements and other medications. Not everything needs to be in a pill that you swallow or an injection that goes into your abdomen. Do a little more. I'm not sure of when you were, that's a little cryptic for the average person. Give us a little more. Great question.

So we have been actively looking at a technology called Aquazone that we've been piloting in our drop product. It's as well in our smile toothpaste and our hair loss product roots. Essentially, it's a two-step process. We nanotize the molecules. So that sounds very kind of cryptic, I know. But to make it in layman's terms, if you're taking a supplement, the cell needs to have molecules that are about the size of a golf ball. that can get into a golf hole. It's sort of a metaphor.

If you're taking a supplement, the molecules that you're absorbing are roughly clumps that's half a mile long. So you're just not going to get a lot of absorption into your cells. So we're able to sanitize these molecules and really dissolve them in a liquid media and then protect them with a subliposomal technology so that if you're swallowing them,

they can pass through the GI system and get to the small intestine where they're actually absorbed versus getting degradated in the GI tract. and we promoted today that we're going to talk a little bit about maha and before those of you watch the little tape rolling into this in these interviews i was interviewing rfk junior at the executive building of the white house and how do you feel maha's doing it they've got a tiger by the tail i mean i i keep urging people to be patient there's so much so complicated and they're moving on so many fronts that it's easy to get frustrated if you have your particular, you know, the thing that, you know, you're particularly concerned about they haven't gotten to yet. It can be very frustrating. It's a complicated question. And I feel like we were

Maha before Maha had a name. And look, I think what Maha is doing on the food spectrum is great. And we all know that food is a large determinant of health in the United States, but it's not the only determinant. And I think showing the public some long-term strategic pillars. And I think that would go a long way in helping people understand why they should continue to back and support Maha. I think if you ask, even Maha supporters, Drew, I don't think nine out of ten of them would tell you what success looks like when it comes to make America healthy again. What do we expect to achieve within the next three years under the Trump administration with this program? So personally, I think, you know, it's food, it's getting out some common sense

exercise and incentivizing, you know, your insurance companies and employers to really get their their employees moving and active and healthy because we live a sedentary lifestyle. And then working at how can we promote maybe some alternatives to the traditional alopathic group? Because again, rather than having a reactive health care system that only steps in when a patient is so sick that they're forced to go to a doctor, how can we get patients everywhere, people everywhere, on different regimens and programs that are tailored and customized to their health needs that are going to keep them from getting to the hospital in the first And I'd really like to see Maha address these things and draw some lines in the ground about what they actually want to achieve on these fronts.

I think that's a good idea. And again, if you asked what do you want them to achieve or what have they achieve, you're going to pick your favorite topic. And the average person is going to think, well, I wanted that to change. But I also worry about them moving too far away from science. they are a major funder of medical science, medical research, as well as the HHS is over a giant organization, which is Medicare, Medicaid, and this is determining how we deliver health care in this country. I mean, that stuff, and most people don't even understand, it's too complicated for the average

person to understand. They've got to be very clear about what they want to do there, almost as a kind of a separate topic. I want to talk to back to Foster again. Go ahead. Finish Peter first. I'm going to talk to Falis. I was just going to say one comment on that. I think one thing that Maha could do on that front is just expose

how incestuous the research and the industry is when it comes to health care and try to remove that conflict of interest. I think that would go a long, long way. I'm so interested that you missed this too. Jay Banachari had delivered something

three days ago that everybody missed. Everybody missed it. And I thought, oh my God, he is so smart. He's really got this right. He said exactly what you're saying. There's an incestuousness with the drug approval process, but more importantly, the editorial process of the major medical journals has been adulterated. And because phase three trials are so expensive, the pharmaceutical companies are the ones funding the trials that end up in these major journals. So he said, no longer are you going to determine what the standard is by who publishes your article. In other words, just because it was the NEJM, just because it was in nature, that should be

meaningless going forward. But we're going to establish as a standard of reproducibility. And if you can reproduce something five times, ten times, in various journals, that takes away some of that editorial distortion. And I thought, oh, man, that is exactly what we've got to do. We have to, I don't know how he tends to operational. that, but that is a major, major step towards taking the teeth away from what's getting published in these journals that have control over everything now.

I could not agree more. True. Yeah. Foster, food. What are you guys doing with food? This is your, this is something you're very excited about, I know, and I want to give you a chance to talk about it. I do.

I do get excited about food. I'm a food person. No, look, it's been great. I mean, Dr. Drew, to watch what. You know, Walmart's doing eliminating synthetic dyes following announcements from Kraft and General Mills and Kellogg and Whole Foods. It's wonderful. You know, that's part of the reason why we launched wellness farms because we wanted to be able to offer really great high quality food sources, protein sources to the American public. And, you know, it blew my mind personally when I found out, do you know how many, doctor, how many cows are in one McDonald's hamburger patty?

Do you know the answer to this? Noah. What do you think? No. A hundred. I have no idea. A hundred different cows are in a McDonald's hamburger patty. Oh, okay, got it.

Is that not absolutely disgusting? I personally, when I eat a hamburger, I wanted to be like for one cow. To be fair, I want to know about how many hooves and tongues and brains are mixed in with the cows. No, those are in hot dogs. No, those are in hot dogs. But I think the greater point is, you know, and the next phase of our company is 76% of Americans are dealing with one or more chronic disease. Over 50% are dealing with two or more. You know, never mind, I believe it was a UCLA health study that over 50% of children, I think 3 to 17, are dealing with at least one chronic health condition.

We need to move out of a phase that are focused. on treating disease, and we need to start focusing on how do you prevent the disease? And I think for us, that's really the next phase of our company at the wellness company is getting into more disease prevention. And a lot of it is what you put in your body, how much you move, right? What you drink. All those things are our huge components to that. And so we're very focused now between a lot of our natural health products and a lot of our great food products and a lot more coming down the pipeline, trying to bring those to customers to try and get, I think, in front of this systemic issue that we're dealing with here.

Speaking of that, did you see Dell Bigtree's study or is documentary now an inconvenient study? Have you heard about this? I haven't watched it yet. No, I've heard a lot of really great reviews from it. Yeah, Dr. McCullough is in it, and it is rather stunning. And I read the article that's in sort of the centerpiece of the controversy. And it's a good article. It's not a great article.

It's got, you could take it apart. But it definitely, definitely shows a strong signal for chronic health issues in thoroughly, completely vaccinated versus completely unvaccinated kids. And that's another area of concern, right? Yeah. I mean, I think we've probably most of us, some of us, whether you acknowledge it or not have probably had people close to them that have dealt with those types of reactions. I know personally I've lived through that with people in my family as well and it's it's scary

and you do notice a big difference. I think the way that RFK is trying to tackle the childhood vaccine schedule I think is very noble and I think it's a very important thing to be spending time on because with a lot of the studies and data coming out now, I mean it's scary what you're doing to your child who you're trying to protect. your role as a parent and then you find out now after the fact that you know you're you could be potentially creating much more longer term health effects yeah it's it's it's mortifying for parents um peter this study you might want to look at it really is a good study uh that shows this this rather strong signal and apparently there are four others out there that have a of a similar issue

associated with them i i i just hope we you know get some good science i the that's the to me, the main thing you said, it's scarier. You may use some word about it's mortifying. What's mortifying to me is the mandates. Mandates are mortifying to me. This is where you, it's the opposite of what I thought this country was about, certainly the opposite of medical freedom. And I'll just, Peter, I'll ask you,

were you aware that 88 countries have no mandates for childhood vaccines, including most of Western Europe and all of Scandinavia? Only two of five communist countries? only two of five communist countries have mandates. China does not have a mandate for childhood vaccines. We've gotten so far away from what medicine was supposed to be in this country. I thought, what do you think? Well, there's the study.

I think the thing we need to know is that vaccines and chemotherapy are the only two types of products that are allowed to be commissionable products to doctors. And I think that drives a lot of the problem. And look, you know, Foster and I are both fathers of young children. I know, Drew, you're a recent grandfather, you know, important choice about your granddaughter's health. And, you know, speaking from my personal opinion, you know, we brought my daughter into in urgent care after she took a spill paying tennis.

And I was scolded by this recent med school grad because she was not up today in her vaccine schedule. And, you know, my wife had to kindly show me out of the room. but it goes to show you that this is a major problem. This is a major problem that we can't access basic services in some states if your child is not vaccinated. It's not right and it's not American. Gentlemen, I appreciate you being here today and sharing your thoughts.

I appreciate not just the effort that you both put into the wellness company, but the sort of genius inventing this company and executing so much that has ended up with the quality of something that I'm personally proud to be a part of and I just I have to shake my head when if anybody doesn't think this is a good idea

of what we're doing. We're trying to make people free, ready, save money, have health care that's efficient and help people stay healthy. Why these things are controversial or anybody would contemplate not supporting these ideas is something that is mystifying to me. But I thank you both.

I'll give you each chance to, on the way out, tell us where you'd like people to go and what you want, what your parting thoughts are. Peter first. You can find me at Peter Luli on X or check out our website at twac. And, you know, Drew, I just can't thank you enough for carrying this banner for so long and continuing to be the beacon of truth that you have. And I think, you know, I will, I hope more doctors, frankly, step up. Awesome.

I mirror that. And again, Dr. Drew, it's wonderful to have you a part of our team. And thank you for inviting us on today. And thank you. You betcha. Thank you guys. We'll talk soon. Gentlemen.

All right. Coming up, the great guy, the ultimate human. You guys know Gary. Gary is a sport of the wellness company as well. It is a sort of Maha. We're going to talk about his relationship with Maha. Maha. And after that, Stephanie Vend, we'll talk about her longevity nutrient, which was discovered in her research as a veterinarian.

And she has her book. Let's put that up, Caleb, as well. The longevity nutrient, I get the name. There we are. The longevity nutrient. Be sure to read that book. It is a very readable. It's got great science in it that is readable,

which is a very hard thing to do. It's accurate, good, thorough science that you can easily digest. right back with Gary Brack after this. I've spent most of my career dealing with illnesses that shorten life. And now we have ways to extend it and extend wellness. I've been working with the team over at V Shred to develop a product that has everything I want in a longevity supplement. NR boost has nicotinamide riboside. You know how metal can rust?

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recognized that these dolphins sometimes developed a syndrome identical to our Alzheimer's disease. Those dolphins were deficient in a particular fatty acid. She replaced the fatty acid and they didn't get the Alzheimer's. Humans have the same issue and we are more deficient in this particular fatty acid than ever before. In a simple replacement of this fatty acid called C-15, will help us prevent these syndromes. It's published in a recent journal called Metabolites. It's a new nutritional C-15 pentadecinoic acid, it's called. The deficiency that we're developing for C-15 creates something called the cellular fragility syndrome. This is the first nutritional deficiency syndrome to be discovered in 75 years and may be affecting us in many ways.

And as many as one in three of us, this is an important breakthrough. Take advantage. of it, go to fatty15.com slash Dr. Drew to receive 15% off a 90-day starter kit subscription or use code Dr. Drew at checkout for that 15% off, or just go to our website, Dr. Drew.com slash fatty 15. That's brilliant. And thank you, Drew. Who's Dr. Drew? Where is he?

Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew. So weird. Every time I see that, it's like, bleh. The way he says it's okay. Well, it went on for a little while because he had trouble finding me. I was sort of standing on the side there. He waited for you.

Oh, no, he was not going to stop until he found me. And we talked from the state. And then he called me up there. And he called me. You saw what he did with the European leaders the other day. It was the same exact playbook. And he goes, we did some great TV, didn't we? And I was thinking to myself, I don't remember that.

And then I thought later, later I thought, no, no, but listen. And later, I thought, oh, that's right. I judged the Miss USA contest for him and at dinner with him the night before 15 years ago. With Martha Stewart. And he and Melania were sitting right behind me as I was doing my judging. So you were on TV with him. Yes, we did some TV. We did some TV.

It was good TV. Yeah, no, no, it was good TV. And it was my narrow thinking that I didn't realize what he was talking about. My wife and I we're re-watching friends at night as like our nighttime show the old series from the 90s and the amount of times

that they referenced Donald Trump in that show just randomly having no idea that 30, 40 years later he'd be president of the country. Oh yeah. Oh no, no. We look, we, yes. He had many lives, lived many lives. One was as a television host

and but he before, I think it was well before The Apprentice, he bought the Miss USA pageant and then Sheparded it. And then he got to think I bought Miss Universe too. And then he sold it. You know, whatever was a good business for him. Any event, Gary Bracka, let's get Gary in here. Your father, Gary, the Gary Brecker on X, also The Ultimate Human.com. Gary, I appreciate you being here so much.

Good to see you. Hey, good to see you, too, Drew. So let's first talk about where people can find you, what you are working on right now. You and I have talked briefly about that hydrogen product if you want to talk about that, but do you tell me? So you can find me at the Ultimate Human.com or you can find me on Instagram,

just my first and last name, at Gary Breka, E-R-E-C-K-A. And all I do is teach on these sites. And you want to talk about hydrogen. I think hydrogen is one of the greatest discoveries of this millennia. I mean, that molecule has been around for centuries, obviously. it's the smallest, lightest element in the universe. But we know now that hydrogen is one of the only selective antioxidants in the human body.

And by selective antioxidant, you know, very often we think about oxidation as being a bad thing, but a certain amount of oxidation is a good thing. We have lots of oxidative free radicals in the body. An oxygen singlet, single molecule of oxygen, can be very beneficial, obviously, or it can be extremely detrimental. It causes oxidative stress. The same happens with oxidative stressors like superoxide until it becomes something called superoxide dismutase, hydrogen peroxide. There are some radicals in the body like the hydroxyl-free radical that have no known benefits in human beings.

And the interesting thing about hydrogen gas, taking an elemental magnesium tablet and dropping it into hydrogen water and allowing it to effervesce into hydrogen gas and then drinking that is that that hydrogen molecule will actually cross the blood-brainium. barrier and it will restore something called redox homeostasis, which means it suppresses oxidation down to a neutral level and raises inflammation up to a neutral level. No other antioxidant does that. Antoxidants just suppress oxidation, and very often that can be a bad thing. Too much vitamin C is a bad thing. Too many antioxidants is actually very detrimental for cellular health. So that's why I'm such a huge fan of hydrogen tablets.

You mentioned the hydroxyl groups. Is the hydrogen pushing the stoichiometry of hydroxels in a certain direction? Is that why you brought that up? Yeah. So what it will do is it will actually neutralize a hydroxyl group. So it cancels out the hydroxyl group, takes that to zero, but it takes oxygen singlets, hydrogen peroxide, superoxide, all of these other antioxidants and actually restores them into balance. It uses a pathway, not to get too scientific on you, but it uses a pathway in our cellular DNA, called the NRF2 pathway. Essentially what this does is it uses the intelligence of our DNA to regulate

oxidation. And this is a perfect storm because now you have the DNA that says, well, maybe we need glutathione, the most powerful antioxidant in the human body. It's actually manufactured in the liver. Every single cell in your body contains glutathione. So if you're deficient in this molecule, you have a very difficult time eliminating waste from the body, not waste in the form of stool or urine, but cellular waste. And cellular waste is like the exhaust from an engine. It will back up and eventually blow the engine. Early onset, neurodegenerative disorders, inflammatory disorders in the brain, neuropathic disorders. These all have a common root in inflammation, but over-suppressing inflammation is a very bad thing. So using an intelligent molecule, this really spectacular

molecule hydrogen, which 10% of our body weight is hydrogen, it's harmless to human beings, Putting an excess of this molecule into the body has just profound effects on inflammation, circulation. If you take one of those elemental magnesium tablets and drop it into water and you drink it when that water effervesces into hydrogen gas, the lights immediately come on. So people that suffer from brain fog, poor focus and concentration, you know, poor waking energy, this is game changers for them. I'm two days now into a three-day water fast. So here's my food right here. some spring water and you know i put hydrogen tablets into that water and i can actually just feel my brain firing you know i saw you i saw you talking about rapatha and the l p little a conundrum

uh i forget who you were talking to but uh and this is a way of down regulating the production of lp literally essentially or or increasing its degradation but um one thing that i was thinking when I saw that interview that your guest did not mention, it turns out LP little A is very much sensitive to insulin resistance and the glycemic pathways, and that if you can get sugar out of your system and carbs generally, you can have a really, it affects, we don't talk about how it affects the lipid system, but it does.

Oh, of course it does. I mean, most people think that the primary role of insulin is to lower blood sugar. That's actually not true. The primary role of insulin is to block any other form of energy use in the body, which means that when insulin is high, you can't mobilize and metabolize fat to a very small degree you can. So people that have the highest blood fat, triglyceride, eat the most sugar. Because when you eat a high glycemic diet, your insulin is high, and when your insulin is high, your triglycerides rise. And if you looked at the ratio between triglyceride and cholesterol, which is a much better predictor of cardiovascular disease than LDL cholesterol on its own.

In fact, I've challenged lots of the medical media to provide me any evidence of the link between LDL cholesterol on its own and cardiovascular disease. You know, cholesterol is sort of like a fireman. It gets called to the site of inflammation. It gets called to the site of endothelial damage, damage to the lining of our arteries. And the main cause of that is insulin resistance. And insulin resistance is like the first domino to fall. And in human beings, very rarely do you have multiple systems fail at the same time? I have very difficult time believing that people have multiple pathologies going on at the same time in the human body, multiple autoimmune diseases, multiple mental illnesses or mood disorders.

Generally, one thing goes wrong that causes everything. And when you can get back to the root of that cause, you can fix everything. And, you know, we believe this in plant physiology. You know, if you had a leaf rotting in a palm tree and you called a true arborist or true botanist out to your house, they wouldn't even touch the leaf, right? they would core test the soil and they would say you know what drew there's no there's no nitrogen in this soil and they would add nitrogen to the soil and the leaf would heal human beings are no different you know very often the pathologies that we suffer from are nutrient deficiencies if i put up a chart of your your cellular biology very confusing looking chart what's called

your methylation pathways and you were to look at this really vast myriad this collective of communities that our cells live in because and and that's another mistake we make in modern medicine We study things in isolation. We assume that when we take a cell out of a laboratory and put it back in the body, it's going to behave the same way. And it doesn't. We behave in communities, just like our cells do. And so when you look at this vast myriad, this complicated maze of cellular interactions in the human body,

the fascinating thing about it is if you were to blow these charts up, virtually every one of your listeners right now would recognize the names of everything on that chart. They are common vitamins, minerals, amino acids. and nutrients. And we have become so nutrient depleted because our soil has become depleted. You know, a tablespoon of good top soil has more of a microbiome than there are human beings on the surface of the earth.

So it has more microbes than there are human beings on the planet in a single tablespoon. And so the depletion of our soil has made us nutrient deficient. And nutrient deficiencies lead to the expression of disease. And then we're down here treating the expression of the disease, the hypertension,

the autoimmune condition, the weight gain, the water retention, the brain fog, the poor focus in concentration, the waking mind at night when you go to bed to sleep. Instead of looking for what nutrient deficiency could this body have that could be causing the expression of this disease. I guess it was your podcast I was watching that interview on. Where can we see that podcast? So I've done a lot of podcasts. You can go to the Ultimate Human.com. Look for the podcast on methylation. Because methylation is the process. that our body goes through to take all of the raw material that enters our body and convert it

into the usable form. So the human body is very much like a vehicle. You know, we pull crude oil out of the ground, but you cannot put crude oil into your gas tank because the car doesn't understand that fuel source. Crude oil has to be converted, has to be refined into gasoline, and then the car can run. The human body is no different. We put all kinds of compounds into the human body, vitamins minerals amino acids proteins fats carbohydrates we put these things into the human body but they're not used in the format that we put them in they have to be converted through a process called methylation so the body recognizes them and can use them for example folic acid is a completely useless nutrient in the human body until it is converted to methyl folate that's what the body

can use in fact that the the u.s fda just approved the first nutrient folinic acid and in a prescription strain as a treatment for neurodevelopmental disorders and autism. And this is a nutrient, right? Because they realized that many of these kids and many of these neurodevelopmental deficiencies are linked to nutrient deficiencies. But they made a prescription, so Medicaid and Medicare would cover it, so people could get health care coverage for it, but it is essentially a God-given nutrient,

which is why there's no substitute for diet, lifestyle, and spiritual well-being. yeah it was used as for many years as a rescue molecule in chemotherapies of various types very true now yeah so let's talk about maha and sort of the attacks that they keep coming under for reasons i find mystifying that why why somebody who's going in and trying to help a country be healthier and spend less on health care and be more efficient and i mean there's a there's a I don't know if you can see this next to you on our screen. But after everything, including what he chooses to work out on it, which is the most bizarre thing in the world to me.

Why didn't they talk about people? Most people are not even working out. Who cares what you work out of? Are they stretchy jeans or are they linen? What kind of jeans are those? What the hell difference does that make? That's when you have absolutely another possible point to make. You got to go after the genes.

You know, it's fascinating what's going on in Maha. And all progress requires change. And change creates enemies. and so you have a lot of progress happening in a very short period of time. And the status quo, the cabal at the CDC and the FDA and the ACIP, do not like change. You know, Maha has done wonders to get corporate corruption out of our public policy makers, our public policy nutritional research. You know, 74% of our nutritional research is funded by big food and big pharma.

And so what do you end up with? You end up with a food pyramid. Could it be otherwise? It says that monkey charms is more nutritious than grass-fed steak. Yeah, right, exactly. Yes. And that, you know, food dyes have no metabolic deficit in the human body, and that petroleum-based food dies are fine,

and that seed oils are safe for you. And, you know, so first, to initiate this kind of progress, we have to make massive change. You know, one of the things that Maha has done, there's a myriad of things that it's done, but one of the things that it's done is it has removed the corporate corruption, the corporate captured scientists from our public policy makers. And, you know, these kinds of shakeups in the ACIP,

which makes vaccine recommendations in the CDC and the FDA, they're going to cause massive enemies and massive pushback because the status quo was a very profitable status quo. I mean, we spend $5 trillion a year on health care, disease maintenance and symptom management. We spend virtually no money on prevention, diet, lifestyle, spiritual well-being, nutrition, and mobility. Those are never prescribed, but they are actually medicine. We have data on this, too.

You know, if you look at the big data, you look at the blue zones, there's no continuity between diet and the blue zones. You go from high carbohydrate diets in Sardinia with extended life expectancies to very high meat consumption in Singapore with extended life expectancies to very high fatty fish and oil consumption in the Mediterranean, very long life expectancies. The one common thread between all of these areas, and we could learn a lot from this, is the absence of processed foods. There are none of these regions where you have

centenarianism and hyper-sentenarianism where you have the presence of processed foods. The two non-exchangeables are even more interesting. Sense of community and purpose, meaning faith, sense of community,

real connection. Connection is medicine, connection with each other, connection with mother nature, and mobility into later in life. So the foundation of longevity we know is sleep, food, and mobility.

We also know through the same dataset, that sitting is the new smoking. Sedentary lifestyle is the leading cause of all-cause mortality. We've got to stop telling Grandma not to go outside is too hot, not to go outside, it's too cold, just to lay down, to relax, to eat at the first pang of hunger. This destroys our natural defense mechanisms. And so I think the revolution going on at Maha,

and there have been some big, big wins, you know, eradicating petroleum-based food dyes in our food system. These cause massive inflammation, and some of these are forever chemicals. The body has no enzymatic or degradation pathway to get rid of these things. They embed themselves in our cell membranes. They cause oxidative stress, athlorosclerosis, arterioschorosis, poor cell death, which is called otophagy. They cause cells to no longer be able to perform their function.

These are nicknamed zombie cells, but they're called senescent cells. You know, I was asked a really interesting question on a podcast the other day. Someone asked me, they said, Gary, if you were to put the top 50 leading experts in the world, the MDs, the PhDs, the researchers on longevity and anti-aging. And you were to ask them to agree on one theory of aging, what would it be? And I said, that's a really difficult question. But I think if they would all agree on the theory of immunof fatigue, a slow, progressive, overwhelming of the immune system.

Our God-given innate and acquired immune system is the most intelligent being on the surface of Mother Earth. it has the capacity to police us and to defend us when it's busy defending us mold spores mycotoxins viruses parasites bacteria all kinds of chemical laden substances we have in our food it gets distracted and it stops policing us this this is when circulating tumor cells that just slip by in our bloodstream you know the common link of cancer cancer is that all canvas of its form or origin was at one time a healthy cell. It's metabolism shifted. Why do we believe that a healthy cell can become unhealthy, but an unhealthy cell cannot become healthy? I find that patently, find that patently false. So one of the things that are starting to ask questions. And Bobby Kennedy

and maha, I chair the maha action, which is Bobby Kennedy's sort of public, private committee. And in a maha action, you know, we're championing the things that Bobby is doing at health and human services and all of science the various of science is a question science is based on something called a hypothesis you conduct a study an outcome as you very aptly pointed out that outcome should be repeatable and it should have the same result every single time think gravity right it acts on two objects exactly the same way there is never a time that it doesn't do that but simply by posing the question you know what are the root causes of autism why haven't we done um the same level of study on on the vaccine on safety of vaccines that we've done for other

pharmaceutical agents you know just by posing the question you get the pushback by saying no no no no no the science is fixed it's absolute we've given a stake in the ground there's no fix yeah i mean you know if science were fixed we would still be using leeches we'd still be doing frontal lobotomies, which, by the way, the last frontal lobotomy was done in 1969, not the Dark Ages, right? Which is basically an ice pick through the eyes, scrambling the frontal over the brain. Gary, I had a bunch of those patients. You got to remember, I worked at a psychiatric hospital of 40 years, and I was the new internist that arrived there in 1984 or something. And when I, the first thing they handed me was all the debris

from those days, which was a bunch of severely neurologically impaired patients who'd had singulotomies and frontal lobotomies. They used to do psychosurgeries quite routinely. And the guy that invented the frontal lobotomy got the Nobel Prize in medicine. So we can be very wrong. They would do them at the bedside with an ice pick. Go look it up. It's disgusting. I solved some of those. Yeah, it was absolutely frightening. I mean, you know, if the science was fixed, OBGYNs wouldn't wash their hands before delivering a baby. So the point being, in fact, the first, the first scientist, the first doctor to pose the, you know, the theory of microbes was actually thrown in prison because his theories were so against the mainstream. So questioning the science

is science, questioning the hypothesis, asking for validity is science. And so we should be championing what Bobby Kennedy is doing at Health and Human Services. You know, also, you know, canceling very dangerous gain of function research, pulling half a billion dollars out of MRNA vaccine research program, not MRNA research into disease and into cancer. That's something that gets floated around a lot that he canceled cancer research and canceled disease research. That's patently false. We canceled MRNA vaccine research.

We pulled the promise thing. No, no, no. They did not cancel Vamorna vaccine research. They canceled MNRA vaccine research for respiratory viruses. Yes, for respiratory virus. Which is, for which there is no need for a vaccine anyway. That's what he did. There's still lots of research going on for cancer

MRI targets. Absolutely. That's being done worldwide. So a lot of these things take a little bit of a spin and then they get fed through the media cabal and the public takes this as gospel. Yeah, the science is over. The science is fixed.

We shouldn't question the science. We're anti-science for asking the question. You're actually pro-science for asking the question. If the science is fixed, it's repeatable and it's absolute. again think gravity so there is no time where we should ever stop asking questions and just by getting agreed you know the food dies out of this uh uh you know our food system by 28 states signing on to ban sugary sodas and candies from the snap program this did not snatch money from the underserved it changed what you could use the money for it changed it from being able to be used for you know

vapes and sugary sodas to whole foods to more nutritious foods because our most underserved are the worst fed and this is what keeps them in the position through it so oh yes it's it's very pro-humanity you know part of me thinks this is a spiritual revolution as much as it is a helpful i hope i hope i hope that gets clear to everybody as time goes on because it is that's a great way to describe it as pro-humanity and particularly supporting people that are you know distressed economically those are the people that suffer the most for sure and lastly you've been very kind with your time i'm going to let you go in just a second as it pertains to the issue of asking questions. Science done, the best possible science is concerned with the truth,

the truth. But anyone who does good science knows that you can never get to the truth. We can, humans can never know the truth. We can merely ascend to an approximation of the truth. Thus, even when we think we have something like the truth, it must still be questioned. I agree with that. I wholeheartedly agree with that, Dr. True. That's exactly what's going on right now, simply by asking the question, the amount of vitriol. You know, I get hundreds of millions of views every month across my social media platform. The vitriol that I got for accepting the chairmanship on Maha was mind-numbing to me. I started making statements about getting physical education back in the public school system,

and I was called a racist and a bigot and a sycophant. Some of them I had to actually Google. I didn't know what a synchophant was. So hats off for that one. some new names. But the truth is that there is, you know, there's no substitute for mobility, for connection, for whole food diet, for good sleep. You know, this is what extends life. And the data is clear on that. We have, we have data on that. So, you know, my hat's off to Bobby Kennedy. He's in the fight of his lifetime. People like myself have committed the balance of our adult

lifetime to really potentially have an influence on public policy, which is a legacy that most of us are willing to die on the hill for. Well, I thank you for your service, and I thank you for your work, and I thank you more so for even being here. Bobby told me this is the best job he ever had. It's like he wants, this is the thing he's always wanted to do, and it suits him. So, yeah, yep, and so here he is.

And so let's hope he gets as much done as he possibly can. Gary, thank you so much. We'll look for you on X, the Gary Brecker, B, C-K-A. Talk to you very soon, my friend. talk to you soon dr drew all right uh we're going to stay with the longevity topic and we're going to talk about supplementation and longevity uh the longevity nutrient you can read about some of those stuff gary and i were just talking about in fact in the book the longevity nutrient where stephan van watson who is a scientist a fine scientist and a fine veterinarian who was

responsible for the Navy's fleet of dolphins in San Diego. She's a careful scientist and clinician that was looking at these dolphins getting neurological disease and fatty liver disease, discovered that there was a fatty acid associated with that. She isolated that fatty acid and gave it to the dolphins, and she will tell you what happened next. Stephanie, welcome back. Hi, Dr. Joy, is wonderful to be here. Yeah, so what happened next? we that's where we were able to use your advanced technology called metabolomics to figure out

which small molecules predicted the healthiest aging dolphins and as a result we found it like you said c-15 pentadecinoic acid was a fatty acid that you know predicted the healthiest aging dolphins fast forward 10 years and 100 peer-reviewed studies since then i loved the discussion you and gary just had the importance of repeating science and seeing the same results. Yes. All of these studies, 100 peer-reviewed studies now, showing

the benefits of C-15 and, you know, the big surprise, again, just in line of what you were just talking about, was that C-15 is not only a saturated fat, but it's a saturated fat that is present in which our primary source is butter

and whole dairy fat. So explain what a saturated fat, because I'm not, people have heard of saturated fats and then and then why if we have it in butter well why are we eating more butter well maybe we should be eating some some whole butter but highest quality of course for the conversation so when we talk about you know when we have heard about saturated fats it's almost always been negative right so that we should avoid all saturated fats and the best way to do that is to avoid butter and and whole dairy fat what we've learned

is that there are actually two types of saturated fats. One is called an odd chain saturated fat, which means it has odd number of carbons like C-15, and even chain saturated fats that contain even carbons like C-14, C-16. So interestingly, it's amazing how nature plays out, but these odd-chain fats, especially C-15, as this Goldilocks saturated fat, is anti-inflammatory, is we'll talk about being protective against the cell and against this new form of cell death that was discovered, you know, back in 2012. And the even chains are pro-inflammatory and have opposite effects. So higher amounts of even chains, higher risk of developing type 2 diabetes, fatty liver disease, higher amounts of these odd chains, you know, lower risk of type 2 diabetes, heart

disease. The problem with dairy fat is that you have both. So you have some levels of of this odd chain, but much higher levels of the even chain saturated fats. And changes in our agricultural practices have also driven this dichotomy even higher, higher evens, less odds. Is it worse in this country than other countries? I think so. Yeah, it was a great. How they shifted. Yeah, it's a great discussion with regard to talking about Sardinia, right?

And that, you know, in Sardinia, they exchanged a lot. lot of their meat for cheeses. And those cheeses are locally made. So they're local, you know, goats and sheep that feed on grass at high altitude. And they, that produces more C-15 in their dairy fat compared to, let's say, a cow at sea level that is fed corn. And if a cow is fed corn, it has half as much C-15 in it, then if it's fed grass. So, yeah, so in the Western countries, At least in the United States, we are seeing a decline in C-15 levels, even if you're drinking whole-fat milk, which a lot of people aren't drinking cow's milk even anymore, let alone whole-fat cow's milk. So that's where fatty 15 comes in. So take your fatty 15. I've been preaching about it for a while now, everybody, go to doctor.com slash fatty 15. You should be supplementing with fatty 15. We'll talk about some of the things that the benefits in addition to the obvious replacement of this important news. nutrient. But the fact is you mentioned this 2012 novel cell death. I suspect you're talking

about ferropotosis. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So, you know, back in 2012, that there were scientists at Columbia University who discovered an entirely new way that our cells are dying called ferroptosis exactly like you said, Dr. Drew. You know, previously when we went to veterinary school, medical school, we learned there were things. Three ways that our cells die, apoptosis, necrosis, and autophagy. And so this is a really big discovery of that they found of an entirely new way that our cells were dying. We were discovering this in dolphins that same year in 2012. We published a paper about this phenomenon, not knowing at the time that it had a name, which was for optosis.

And talk about what that is and the importance of fighting against the oxidative. of our cell membranes. That's exactly it. So our cells, I'm surrounded by cell membranes. And our cell membranes are made of fatty acids, a fat size, has a lipid layer. And when we talk about our cells, we truly are what we eat. So the more polyunsaturated fatty acids we have, these are obviously, you know, they have benefits, but because they have double bonds, they're susceptible to attack by oxygen.

and that leads to this thing called lipid proxidation. And that breaks our cells down. There's an entirely new form of cell death, right? This is called fropotosis in which the cell death is caused by increased proxidation of oxidation of fats inside of our cell membrane because they're fragile. And then that then combines with this strange iron that's showing up inside of the cell. So when you combine this lipid proxidation with iron, iron. It creates this massive amount of reactive oxygen species, takes out our mitochondria, and

kills the cell. So under a microscope, it's a very distinct presentation. There are now over 20,000 papers on pharaptosis since that discovery in 2012. I mean, just incredible. And I don't want people to confuse the iron that shows up in cellular metabolism with an iron supplement you might be required to take. It's not, this is something, it's the funny thing about, you know, it's, for instance, what I worry about with Alzheimer's research, they go, oh, aluminum. It must be the aluminum because there's aluminum and then neurofibrillatory tangles. And I'm like, maybe, but not necessarily, things show up in cellular metabolism from

cellular metabolism that don't necessarily come from the outside or anywhere else. That's right. That's right. So then, you know, it's the sleuthing of trying to figure out what exactly is going on. Humans, we're a mess, right? It's really hard to find out what's called the pathophysiology. Wait, stop. I want people to understand what you just said.

I can always tell one of biologists knows what they're talking about because they will say something like that. Dr. Van Wisen just said, humans, we're a mess. Biologically. It's just a mess. It's a buzzing, blooming mess. And that's correct. And that's something that knows biology.

And then we try to say something meaningful from within that mess. And so what I should say from a study standpoint, if we're trying to understand changes in food, changes in diet that are causing negative or positive changes in our health, it's really hard to narrow it down because there's just so much diversity. And what's the source of what we're doing so. Thank you for that clarification. Yes. And but with regard to, you know, we were working with Navy Dolphins, as you had mentioned,

Navy Dolphins have a very clean and clear diet of specific types of fish. They have the same health care. They have the same environment. So it was a much cleaner world to be able to understand. We saw the exact same things happening in the Navy Dolphins as we're seeing in populations. This accelerated aging, the onset of fatty liver disease, that's non-alcoholic, you know, younger kids that are developing aging associated diseases faster. We were seeing the same phenomenon in the dolphins, but it was a much cleaner picture. we were able to rapidly narrow down the cause of this, of this fropotosis of this new form of cell death,

was that the lack of C-15, they had lost C-15 in their diet because of a change in the type of fish they were being fed. And longevity experts, you were telling me, like last year, caught on and got very excited about, I mean, really the leaders in longevity research have been infusive in their, in their, enthusiasm for C-15. That's right. So nothing like nature to deliver us a simple solution. That's right in front of us. But for example, Dr. Nicholas Shorke, who is head of the NIH funded longevity consortium, he's been in that role for over 20 years. So Dr. Nick has looked at all the different molecules that have been promising to enhance our longevity. And when I say enhance our longevity. I'm talking more about what's called a gero protector, a molecule that can

slow our aging rate to effectively stem the diseases that kill us, right, versus it's not living to 200, right? It's about living as healthy as long as possible. And when Dr. Shore saw the science on C-15, he said, staff, he says, this is going to qualify as a gero protector. And he has shared with his colleagues at large conferences that there's no molecule that he has seen that has more science, robust science, supporting its role in helping us live as long as possible, as healthy as possible, aka a geroprotector than C-15, which is remarkable coming from that. You know, when we, you and are always championing the fact that there are over 100 peer-reviewed studies. It's something I've never asked you. Were these your studies or a group study?

Were there multiple researchers organizations looking at it? Who put these out? Well, if it was me, then I think I'd have to say I'm 100. That's what I thought. It seemed like a lot. Yeah, it seemed like an awful lot for one group to be publishing. But okay, tell me more. So here's the great part.

You're just talking about with Gary Brecker, right, about the value of the importance of science, when good science is done. In the early days, we had made this initial, discovery. We put the stake in the ground for saying C-15 meets a criteria of an essential fatty acid of a longevity enhancing molecule. And we did that with Dr. Shark as well. And then you let the world go do science on it, right? And to either prove or disprove what you did. And so now these 100 peer-reviewed studies, right, six are from us. The rest of those papers, and there's one

paper, one new paper coming out about every two to three weeks now. All those other papers, Dr. Drew, are coming from independent teams throughout the world. Great. So exciting. Oh, my God, it's so exciting. I've never asked this question. What do you imagine is next for you guys? Do you have a sort of a vision where you're going? Yeah, you know, a lot of the science now is coming out around, you know, the importance of when we talk about finding an essential fatty acid, it's like finding a new vitamin, right? And we did, we made that discovery. We've talked about that on the show. What's important is that other people are also picking up on it. And now we're recognizing the importance on not only C-15 in our older years, because that's where we've been

focused, but just as importantly in the youngest years. So the importance of knowing that at mom's C-15 levels are dependent upon how much C-15 she eats. Baby C-15 is dependent upon how much C-15, mom gives baby via milk her milk. And we now know that higher C-15 is better body growth, better brain development. So I think what we're excited about is really being able to get C-15 to be able to fortify foods, to democratize longevity and help ensure healthy aging for all at all ages. And it may be my OCD, but I have this, I want to take more. I want to see more data on dosing because I just have a feeling.

I more would be better. Not that I should take five tablets, but maybe two. I don't know. You tell me, you see anything yet? We are, many studies have shown dose-dependent. So, but we, and with regard to finding that sweet spot, the nice thing is you can test your C-15 levels now. That's, it's becoming more and more available that doctors can use, you can use.

And we're showing that in some cases, the sweet spot is in the middle. So it's like taking this one to two capsules per day, has the broadest amount of benefits. But if you're focusing more on things like heart health or cognitive health, we're seeing an improved right activity at higher levels. So it may be tailored to what individual people need. I'm convinced that I'm looking for the law. I don't want any benefits.

I want the longevity, right? But several of my family members have really had some subjective benefits. And I'm getting a little jealous. I'm thinking, man, maybe I want to take it. a little more, see if I can get the sleep or the brain or the energy or the stuff that I keep hearing about, because I know I'm improving my longevity, and that was

my goal. Caleb, you have a question about Fatty 15. We've talked about the moms, the babies, the older folk. He's like, hey, wait a minute. Yeah. I constantly hear so many good things about this, about fatty 15, but now I'm actually curious, what about stuff for people that are closer to my age,

you know, like in their mid-year-old, like late-20s, mid-30s, 40s like yeah yeah exactly they we leave them alone they're there yeah I'm curious what could it be doing for someone like around my age group so so Caleb you're really lucky because like as described in the book you're you're part of the what we're calling the broken generation so you're so lucky you're broke yeah so kids um kids you're not longer kids they were people who were born in the, maybe you're a little bit before that, but the 1990s and on, right? So when really, the movement really started happening where, you know, people, especially moms, were avoiding

milk fat. That meant that babies were being born, right, into a C-15 deficient world. Physicians were now pediatricians started saying, oh, if once your child turns two years old, they've got to go off whole fat milk. And that really drove this. And it's why we think, Caleb, we're seeing people in the 30s and 40s have a higher risk of aging associated conditions and that this may be part of the reason of that. So you're included too, Caleb. You should also be getting your C-15. We didn't get you on it. I'm getting on it. Yeah. My longevity. That's great. And we do have a lot of people when you move to, we say start with one, but when you move to two, we do have people that report new back. For me, my joint pain went away when I went to two. So that's what Susan said too.

I'm going to do it. I'm going, I'm increasing my dose. That's it, period. That's what's happening now. So, you saw it, you heard it all. Well, yeah, I'll then I'll report back to you. And by the way, and I'm not really, I don't really care that much if I feel better. I feel pretty good, such as it is, but I really want to maintain this.

I don't like the whole aging phenomenon. It's not, I've decided that the key subjective feature of aging is something, things being taken away from you, just one thing after another. You're hearing, your vision, your joint mobility, and your sleep gets, it's just one thing after another. It's so annoying. Yeah. And Dr. Drew, no, everyone is blown away anytime you give away your age. So we're all impressed.

We're all aiming to be like you. How many years have I been taking Fatty 15? It might have something to do it. Every time I hear that, I'm thinking, well, I'm persuaded. I've been, what, four or five years on Fatty 15? I'm 67. I'm 67 years of age. And if I look like this at 75, then, then you can get excited because that shouldn't happen.

So, but I'm still having all the usual medical stuff. You know, I've got to go and have a basil cell removed next week and a whole big old Moe surgery. So when people see me in about week and a half, I'm going to be like, have a huge dressing on my head. It's going to be awesome. So it doesn't, you know what? I'll go with Frankenstein. I'll go with Frankenstein. Give it the big.

All right, Stephanie, thank you, as always, for joining us and reviewing this material. It's just so, it's such interesting science. You have a great way. If people want to read more about it, is in the longevity nutrient. It's all laid out there. It's so, and I told you, first time I read it, right? I told you. I said, this is remarkable because it's so easy to read and it's all, the science is just there.

And that is a very hard thing to do, to not feel like a textbook or, you know, it feels more like a detective novel, right? You're watching something kind of unfold. Thanks. Thank you. And I think you read it in a weekend, which was a pretty impressive. Well, I was familiar with the stuff, you know, that you had in there, but I was like, oh, yeah, this is like something anybody can read. You know, this is going to be good. So do get it, do read about it. You know, we should all have a, now that we can do things for longevity, people should have a familiarity with that science. It just seems to me. And as you're learning, nutrition is a key part of it. Stephanie Van Watson, thank you so much.

Great. Dr. Jew, always wonderful. Always wonderful to see you. Cheers. All right. So coming up, everybody. What do we got? Here we have. I know we've got Peter Navarro.

That's right, next week, 2 o'clock. He's written a book called, I went to jail, so you don't have to. Aaron's series coming back. He's been under assault lately. Salty Crackers scheduled up to come back in again. We've got a lot coming because of my surgery next week. So we'll be here on Tuesday and Wednesday. So that is the 21st, 22nd. 23rd, I've got the surgery. And it's a little unclear when I'm going to be presentable again or when I'm allowed to return to work. Probably

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