Ask Dr. Drew - Is mRNA A Real Vaccine? Should the CDC Mandate mRNA For Kids? RFK Recap & Your Calls – Ask Dr. Drew - Episode 139

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

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Welcome, everybody. We are doing just calls today, of course, and it will be on Twitter spaces where you can raise your hand and be called up and ask any question you want. It's a lot we have been through in recent interviews, and I wanted a chance to process some of this stuff. We had RFK. I actually spoke to another cardiologist today for the Dr. Drew podcast that I'm going to bring over here for the streaming show, who confirmed some of my worst sort of worries. There's a lot of stuff we're worrying about right now, and we need to be sort of getting clarity on what exactly our risks are. In any event, whatever it is you want to talk about, there's some other issues I wanted to discuss as well, including sort of well-being and meaning-making and what's wrong with us

right now. It's a question I seem to keep asking keep asking but uh again you'll raise your hand i'll bring you up and you'll be out streaming on multiple platforms if you are brought up you are agreeing to do so on rumble twitch twitter facebook youtube etc so let's get going our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous.

I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat.

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tweeting and whatever uh this now is from twitch did you read homeboy's chapter about azt and or update your opinion on that i saw his documentary and i took issue with that with him in person when he was here for the interview because i was there as part i was a resident as part of the research for the azt i was there right after the approval when we opened the boxes. You cannot imagine what that was like as a clinician at that time, telling people every day they had six months to live and there was nothing you could do. Now we had something for whom, well, with which we could do a little something. It was clear this was not going to cure anybody

but if we could push things back three months four months six months during that time we will develop other antivirals we will come up with combinations which is exactly what happened in addition we came up with other treatments for the illnesses that were taking these young men down. So the Kaposi's sarcoma, the Burkitt's lymphomas, the pneumocystis pneumoniae, the cryptosporidia, the coccidomycosis, the cryptosporidiosis, these meningitides and the lymphomas. We came up with very interesting, creative, effective treatments to keep pushing things back while we worked on trying to come up with an effective cure, effective treatment for the HIV, which we eventually did, and in short order. So the fact that people are taking on AZT was, in fact,

you all watched the Dallas Buyers Club movie with, oh gosh, what's his name from Texas? Does the Lincoln commercials. I'm going to watch. You guys are going to tell me. Susan, are you listening? Matthew McConaughey. Matthew McConaughey.

Thank you. I was saying M, M, M. And so that movie portrayed the Dallas Buyers Club as some sort of hero. And they were in the beginning because we had nothing. We had nothing to offer. So if they wanted to go down to the Dallas Buyers Club or organizations like that and try anything, what are we going to say? We had nothing to offer, which is interesting. Isn't it interesting how in the present pandemic, as opposed to that epidemic in the current pandemic of COVID, when doctors wanted to try things, they were crushed for it.

Back then, the people that were trying things were the heroes. Very interesting. Now, the reality is once we started having effective treatments, those organizations became a huge problem because they started telling patients exactly what RFK's book was saying, which is this is a poison. This is going to kill you. This is causing the syndrome. They haven't done the right studies. And yeah, we were working hard to get the right studies done. And the fact is that killed probably thousands of young men, that misinformation. But maybe not. I mean,

we were really not doing the greatest job with the illness ourselves but they were part of the problem for a couple of years there we had some effective treatments but the word wasn't out yet so i'll never forget that experience of working through hiv and aids it sort of informed a lot of my feelings about this particular pandemic but isn't it interesting i never thought about it till this present moment that the dallas buyers clubs which were doctors trying all kinds of way outside the box treatments for hiv those were the heroes in the present pandemic anybody trying anything and by the way help you know harmless treatments those were the criminals or those needed to be silenced very weird very different all right let me get uh right to some calls here very quickly. This is Michelle. Michelle. Hi, Dr. Drew. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm well. So I can

ask my question staying on topic with CDC recent recommendations for the COVID vaccination for children entering school. Yes. I can find a whole lot of meaning. I am 100% with you on, I'm so confused in this upside down world. My life is about joy and happiness, but man, it's just not out there right now. And this one's going to cause a lot of, I'm an educator, a lot of uproar. Many parents are going to say, no, thank you. We'll take our kids out of public school. I'm afraid you're absolutely right let's let me before we go to the vaccine let's talk about the lack of joy that's a good way of framing what i'm seeing i literally was in a starbucks two days ago and i was looking around there were all

these alone millennials all with various states of um look like anhedonia to me. Like they couldn't find enjoyment of things. They look very unhappy. They were on their phones and I literally looked around the room and I went, Oh, what are we, what are we doing? What's going on here? Why are we, uh, why are we fighting and what are we fighting for? And I can just imagine how they feel.

Uh, you know what I mean? And then I heard Scott Adams today say the exact same thing. I was sort of surprised. He goes, are you feeling it? How people are having real trouble finding joy and meaning in things? And I thought, wow, he is onto it. Is that what you're talking about? Yes, you can see it. You can see it when you walk into a coffee shop. It used to be three years ago. Do you remember even the noise and the chip and the chatter and the conversation that people were having? It doesn't exist anymore. Have we just been broken by this experience or is it, or has it, that's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to understand, is it depression from the experience of all this? Is it the COVID and the

vaccine itself? Are these viruses causing a neurological thing? Or is it that we've been shaken so hard by this experience that it's hard to go return to what we thought was meaning making before, which I kind of think is the thing. The things I thought important before aren't so important now maybe, or I'm looking for things that are important and I can't find them. Is it more in that category? Maybe. I just feel like back in the day, Walter Cronkite brought you the news at 6 p.m. and it was 24 hours before you got news again. You're right. And now social media has exacerbated this constant need or desire to know. And what you're needing to know and desiring to watch and see is a lot of negativity a lot of argument a lot of disgruntlement a lot of

unhappiness a lot of you don't you don't yeah we celebrate the birthdays the anniversaries the vacations etc but to your point maybe it feels like the brain's going to the negative instead of the joy and the meaning-making opportunities. Yep, yep. And it's funny, as you were saying, the phones, a couple of people in these chat spaces said the exact same thing, that the phones are the culprit. But it's not just the phone itself. It's also, as you say, it's the delivery of this negativity and these headlines and these extreme fear-mongering in relation to anything, Ukraine, monkeypox, COVID, everything. So let's get to the vaccine stuff.

Did you hear our conversation yesterday? Yes, yes. So Kelly Victory's theory is that this is a march towards putting it in the, I forget the official name of this category. It's essentially the mandated vaccines for childhood, essentially. Measles, mumps. Like measles, mumps, exactly. And they're going to put it in that lineup. And the reason they want it in that lineup is it will give them eternal liability coverage. So the liability coverage they have now for the emergency use authorization will be sustained indefinitely if they get onto that panoply, get onto that panel.

So this is a movement in that direction. Now it's still up to the states to decide whether they're going to mandate the vaccine or not. What state are you in? Kansas. So, I mean, Kansas has been pretty reasonable, haven't they? They've been sort of, no? Yes? They have been. They have been. And I have to tell you, our enrollment in public schools, I mean, Kansas has been pretty reasonable, haven't they? They've been sort of, no? Yes? They have been.

They have been. And I have to tell you, our enrollment in public schools, I know this, I just know this, is down. Because over the last two and a half years, parents said, phooey, I can do this on home, online, and feel better about it. More will decide to do that if there's a mandate. And I don't know. I don't know whether Kansas will be politically pressured to make this a mandate for public school or not. Like you opened with, why the mandate? Why the rush? What do we do? I don't get it. You know, there's another layer to this for me. Peter Hotez,

who is a pediatrician virologist who I interviewed on this stream about maybe six months ago. And we had a conversation. He's a good guy. He knows what he's talking about. But he tweeted yesterday this pediatric evaluation and asymptomatic COVID is causing long COVID at the rate of one in four children. I was like, what? That means there'd be nobody in school ever anywhere. We'd have a 50% decline because 25% have already vanished in many of the states, and that'd be another 25%. And so it occurs to me that the

pediatric community is in some sort of a panic about this that does not fit clinical reality at all. Either that they're not used to seeing sick kids and it shook them up, or they're not doing proper analysis on long COVID. I don't know. Something is very wrong in the pediatric group, and I think that's where this mandate is sort of coming from. They're feeding into the CDC, and the infectious disease people are just taking it at face value, but it's not accurate. The reality is 99.99% survivability with kids, long COVID, not clear even what we're talking about, if it even exists with kids.

We just don't know what you're talking about. And the multisystem inflammatory syndrome does happen, is benign, much like you all point out that the myocarditis seems to be recoverable, seems to be not having long-term consequences. We know for sure the multisystem disorder does not cause really serious consequences that I've ever seen. Maybe in an occasional case it does. The myocarditis, we worry still that it may have long-term consequences. So there's a lot going on still. And what does your good friend Adam Carolla say, who I still want to date one day? Put the children in cages, right?

God, I don't wish that on you. But anyway, so he says two things about children in cages. His latest preoccupation is Jennifer Lopez, who he declares had to say something, had to speak up. And so she danced. And that was the end of that. And now that there's still kids in cages, she's got no more to say about it. But okay. And when you went over the children with a mandate like this, you've just, oh, dear.

And Mama Bear will come out fighting. Now is the time to speak up. Not necessarily then because it was leave them with the coyotes or try to put them in a detention center. But anyway, the other thing he was saying is he keeps saying to me, and he said it just about two hours ago, which was that the trajectory of this vaccine is going in a very clear direction. At first, it was 100% effective. Then it was, well, it's not going to prevent infection. It's going to affect very clear direction. At first, it was 100% effective. Then it was, well, it's not going to prevent infection. It's going to affect severe complication. Well, it's not really going to do that either,

but they seem to be doing better, and it's certainly not going to affect infectivity. That doesn't matter at all. And, well, maybe it only lasts three months, and, oh, there might be some problems with it. And so he is saying the trajectory is very clear as we try to figure out what's going on here. My point on the vaccines, amongst other things, has been consistently let's decide which populations we should be giving the vaccine to.

I give it routinely to 65 and above, definitely 75 and above all the time. And I think I'm seeing benefit. It might be my bias, but for the elderly populations with multiple medical problems, even if it is doing very little, it is a security blanket that I like to have for my patients. I've used a lot of packs of it. We do have therapeutics now, so the vaccine is not so important. But my position is it seems to be helping these elderly patients.

If you're 30 years old, it's a whole different story. And much like I don't give the shingles vaccine to a five-year-old, I don't give the pneumonia vaccine to a 22-year-old. I don't give, I wouldn't give you yellow fever if you came into my office, yellow fever vaccine, unless you were going to sub-Saharan Africa. There's reasons and populations where the risk benefit is worth it or clear in terms of giving the vaccine, giving any vaccine. And, you know, other than that, and giving it as a blanket.

I mean, think about that. It's not even a childhood illness. And it's going to get in the panel with childhood illnesses. Like, wow. Okay, well, thanks. So you brought me joy. You brought me joy. All right, good. You brought me joy, too. That's right. Thank you, well, thanks. So you brought me joy. You brought me a little joy. All right, good.

You brought me joy, too. That's right. Thank you, sir. And I saved you from Corolla, so I feel pretty good about that. Okay. So there you go. Let's get Candice up here. She's hooking up.

Hi, Candice. Hey, what's going on, Candice? Candice. Hey, what's going on, Candice? Candice? You're muted. So the microphone in the lower right-hand corner should, the little red. Oh. There you are.

So here I am. Okay. Thank you for taking my call. Of course. You were early to the podium. So there you go. There you go. So as a nurse, a social worker, and a nutritionist, an author, and also a researcher, I have a question.

Why you continue to call it a vaccine instead of a shot? Because, okay, so let's kind of break that down. I'm actually glad you brought that up. So why do you want to call it a shot? What does it do by calling it a shot? Any more than calling a pill a pill, a delivery system. A hypodermic needle, a shot, is a delivery system. So why is naming it by its delivery system important?

Well, I think that those of us that have been vaccinated against polio, you can pretty much travel the world and you're not going to get polio. Those that have been vaccinated against COVID-19. Not my question. Not my question. My question is, what does it do to call it- It doesn't offer protection. No, no, no.

Hang on. Hang on. So when you prescribe, I don't know if you're a nurse practitioner or whatever, but if you prescribe an antibiotic and a hyper-hypertensive, very different things, both pills. If I give somebody a polio vaccine and a flu vaccine, both shots, what does calling them a shot do or a hypodermic syringe delivery system? I don't understand why. So to me, it's an obscure- So I would say one is permanent or relatively considered permanent versus temporary. So whenever I pull out a hypodermic syringe, it has to be for some permanent solution? I gave somebody some steroids yesterday for a lung, for a bronchiectasis. It wasn't permanent.

His bronchiectasis is going to come back. I guess I can't tell him I gave him a shot. Well, you know what? You're talking to – I've been in the trenches as a nurse since 1975. And I would say that, unfortunately, what I've witnessed in the past 25 to 30 years is that physicians are being trained not to be healers, but to be nothing more than pharmaceutical bartenders. So I understand where you're coming from. It's even worse. They're following recipes at the bar rather than be even creative with the drinks they're

making. They're following somebody else's recipe. And I can tell you that I can't speak for the rest of the world but in the united states our population has been over served for far too long with with with pharmaceuticals absolutely yeah no one disagrees if you look at if you look at the stats of covet alone okay we're Of COVID alone. Okay. We're talking about 2 million people, roughly, whatever, in 2021 that died from COVID. But according to the World Health Organization, this past year, 41 million people died worldwide due to diseases. Where'd you go? We didn't do that.

Candice, I don't know where you are. She's not muted. Don't. There you are. Renal failure. You went off for a second, but I know what you're going to say. Due to diseases. Oh, I did?

But it's okay. But this is a point we've been making over and over again, that excess mortality is up, and we're trying to figure out why. Oh, I can tell you why. Well. Are you talking about excess mortality? Are you talking about COVID? Are you talking about worldwide of man-made diseases? is that, you know, what's the, if you look at the, what do most people suffer from

and what are you prescribing drugs for? What would you say? What are the top 10 or top eight diseases? Hypertension. I mean, the usual stuff diabetes heart disease you can of course i've got many many many many many other diseases that i'm dealing with but yeah okay and those are all caused for the most part by the way you fuel your organic machine so you bring it upon yourself it's not something you catch so why do i have lynch syndrome i would have to take your history okay i would have to examine you and i would have to what i have a genetic disorder called lynch syndrome Okay? I have MSH6 Lynch.

And I have thalassemia minor. So I get it. I understand that. So mine puts me at risk for various cancers. And yes, I can help manage that risk with many of the things you're talking about. But the MSH6 was not caused by anybody. That is something that was handed down to me. You know what?

We all have a predisposition. But what causes the switch to be flipped? What causes the switch to be flipped is about what you eat, prescription drugs that you are on, and of course, toxins in the environment. But we all carry a predisposition. So if I even think about type 2 diabetes, okay, you might have insulin resistance in your family history. But if you're going to shop incorrectly for food, prepare food incorrectly, eat incorrectly, you're going to flip that switch. Absolutely. Am I right?

Yeah, yeah. No argument. I mean, the MSH-6, you know, it kind of does its own thing a little bit. But let's get back to the COVID because that's sort of the topic we're at. So you refused to answer my question why the delivery system matters. And let me answer your question back about vaccine, why I call things vaccine. I have called anything that is designed to stimulate the immune system, the lymphocytic system, against a particular pathogen, should you be exposed in the future, anything designed to

stimulate the immune system, I call that a vaccine. Regardless of what it does in terms of the clinical outcome, totally separate issue. But vaccine to me is, and that's my entire life in science. I've always used that term for vaccine. Anything that stimulates the immune. Now the CDC had a different,

I know they had a different definition on their website. I didn't ever use their definition. Now, you seem to have my definition in there because they got in trouble. But anything that stimulates the immune system, whether it's a sugar cube, a nasal spray, a shot, whatever the delivery system is. Or your natural immunity.

Or your natural immunity. I'm glad you brought that up. Susan and I were talking about susan has a product and she has been going off on this lately that we should be doing more on this front susan you want to talk about it uh dr zelenko's uh new improved z-stack which is she is saying that and i again i have a little concern about zinc and whatnot he has a z flu vitamin now that's out and which is vitamin c and vitamin d mostly is that right d uh quercetin and zinc just a little bit of zinc not as much as the other products did which you seem to like better and our favorite uh what is that? Um, elderberry. So it's got,

it's sort of a vitamin C type D combination, but they have a new product and it's a little less zinc. So, um, it won't ruin your copper metabolism, right? Isn't that right? Couldn't do that. Yes.

Thank you. Thank you. Uh, but, uh, so there are lower on the zinc, so, but it is still in there are ways.

There are natural ways to enhance your own metabolism and your own immune function. She is absolutely correct about that. And sometimes these vitamin kinds of therapeutics might, supportive agents may have some beneficial value to that. For sure, diet, real food, clean food my frustration is in the diet front i can't get somebody to do one thing once a day for five minutes let alone change how they eat carbohydrates are the carbohydrates are the enemy everybody they really are uh fats are an issue for some people uh but you know food that's real food food out of ground, food for animals. You can argue back and forth about nuances on those issues. But was Candice that I was just talking to?

I'm sorry, I had to put her on hold because of the sound. You know, when the pandemic started, I don't take vitamins typically. But when the pandemic started, I was taking the zinc and the quercetin and the D. And I take D every day. And the C, the C was making my pee bright red and I thought I was dying. But it does make you feel better and it is a lot of vitamins to take at the same time.

So like when he came up with the Z-Stack, it was like, oh, one pill, great. That's so much easier. And, but I do, I stopped taking it taking it so you know i i like his new product okay good yeah i think for sure d calcium really talk to your doctor especially in the winter months because you know you don't get as much sun you i'm always in the sun so i get a lot of d but i i you know i was i work with the prostate cancer foundation and the one thing one of the uh researchers told me is the only vitamin

that has been shown to be genuinely beneficial for metastatic prostate cancer was vitamin D. It reduced the risk of METs, and that was in a fairly high-quality study. Yeah, and they have proven that it does fight COVID, so that's good. Well, it's— I mean, I've seen a lot of articles on it. We know that elevated vitamin D levels associate with overall health and good immune function, so supporting your D is not a bad idea.

But you take a lot of different vitamins. I do. And then you take NAD and then you take... I do. You take a ton. People want to know what I take. I take nicotinamide. The two that I feel very strongly about are nicotinamide riboside, which is an antioxidant,

NAD supportive agent. And his hair is turning dark again. And anastylcysteine, which is a glutathione precursor. These look pretty good in the medical literature. Everything else I do, I'm not sure. I'm not sure whether folate and B12 and nicotinamide. There's some evidence that reduces the risk of actinic keratosis. We're going to get you a bottle of Z-Flu too. All right. We'll get me some of that.

But I'm sorry. I've got to keep moving on, guys, because I have like 12, 15 people here who want to get up here. So I'm sorry. Let's get Andy up here. Give Andy a chance to speak. Andy? Hey there. Hi. Hi, Dr. Juhari. Good. How are you? Good. I wanted to see if you had any thoughts

of kind of the erosion of trust that might come from this CDC vote. The one on the childhood immunizations? Yeah. I don't know how much more erosion there can be. I'm beginning to think. That was my feeling, too. I was just like yeah f these people like

that's the last straw it's just like how could how can you really yeah yeah hang on I somebody just put something on that I'm sorry that I'm distracted on the chat here that I reminded me he said uh I take any NAC which is you know what I said I was taking a reservatrol I also take DHEA I take that too I don't take biot Resveratrol, I also take. DHEA, I take that too. I don't take biotin. Do you take magnesium? Omegas, I take omega. I sometimes take magnesium.

Yeah, I do. We talked to some doctors about that and they're like, take this, take that. I get so confused. Some of the other stuff, I'm not so sure it was helping me at all. But the inesthyl cysteine i'm convinced that's a little something something all right so um you know i'm there there seems to be such a

confluence of extraordinary phenomenon all at once my gravest concern is that a significant part of this has been incompetence uh incompetence at least to the present for the present moment and uh the willingness to cave to media uh the willingness to do you know uh run to therapeutics or to treatments or vaccines however you want to characterize it without having quite the necessary studies and without really scrutinizing what's being presented by the pharmaceutical companies, I'm worried about this confluence of factors that really poorly serve the world. As I mentioned earlier, I was talking to this cardiologist from the UK, and they had the

same exact experience over there, but they have very much some of the same forces at work, that the people that are making these decisions are really political, they're politicians. The pipeline from the CDC to work at the pharmaceutical companies is a little too cozy. The funding from the drug companies, which I understand happened because we cut back all the funding in the 80s. And we had to fund our research somehow. And it came from the private sector. But now it has undue influence. It's too much. We have this some there's some confluence of factors here. But Andy, my gravest, one of the, my, what should I say? One of the most uncomfortable things I have to conclude that I'm really resisting fully

embracing is the idea that some of these people that I've really looked up to for a long time were really incompetent in their decision-making. They've never been clinicians. They don't know how to risk or do risk reward analysis they will respond to the factors that they shouldn't even been listening to so i don't know i i kind of i feel like to speak about the loss of meaning i i kind of feel like that kind of loss of trust has happened for me for the past couple years in just basically everything you know the politicization in media and music and you know nutritional advice it's just kind of like the veil has been lifted on so many of those things and it's like I don't care about seeing movies anymore you know I don't care about seeing movies anymore. You know, I don't care about the new album that comes out.

You know, it's just like, it's, I feel like that feeling of you've been lied to has spoiled a lot of meaning for me. And I'm not sure if that extends to other people. Oh, I think you put your finger on it. I had not connected those dots specifically, but that makes perfect sense to me. So let me drill in just a little more. So in other eras, you might have said, well, let's throw out these guys. Let's get in there. Let's go in and do something. Let's do proper research. Let's get things right. Is it that things seem too ossified or overwhelming to even have that thought? I think it just seems like, yeah, complete just powerlessness.

Powerlessness. How do you convince a country to not listen to the CDC after, you know, your whole life has been, you know. I get it. So what do we do? Do you have a recommendation? What would get you excited again, do you think? I don't know. I mean, I think that we're seeing signals. I think this is going to be very interesting because clearly we're seeing a signal just from the adoption of the boosters and the low adoption of the childhood vaccines that, like, even if people aren't going to come out and say like,

I don't think my kid needs this thing. Like the numbers are kind of showing that. So do you think there's a burnout in all this? We're just tired of all this. And then now where do we go? That's it's been so, I'm not sure because it's hard to tell like what I'm seeing in my little online bubble, but it's like when you see the numbers, like those adoption numbers being so low because it's hard to tell like what I'm seeing in my little online bubble.

But it's like when you see the numbers, like those adoption numbers being so low, it's like people are feeling different than they're willing to say. They're feeling different and they're feeling more that way. Whatever that feeling is, it's coming on. You can kind of feel it coming on. And please do not be a stranger here. If you have any more insights. How old are you? Do you mind me asking?

I'm 37. Yeah. So that 25 to 35 zone is what I think really getting the hit the hardest right now with this part of this. I think the biggest thing I've realized recently is like I think a lot of people my age, like a lot of my friends are having their first child at like 40. And, you know, that age shift, I feel like, was one of the biggest lies that I've kind of realized. What do you mean?

What's the lie? The lie is? I think now I'm just realizing like, you know, I should have thought more about family and settling down earlier in my 30s and I wouldn't be feeling like rushed into that now should have thought more about family and settling down earlier in my thirties and not, and I wouldn't be feeling like rushed into that now because I feel like there's so much in media and whatnot. And from the left to, you know, just kind of have fun and, you know,

be a dog mom, you know, whatever kind of things that are kind of against the nuclear family and all those traditional things. And I think men particularly have been squashed. Those sorts of inspirational kinds of masculine qualities are just considered toxic and white supremacy and bad, evil, avoided. You're afraid to express anything like that, I would imagine. Does Jordan Peterson have any meaning for you? I read his first book, but I've kind of fallen off from following him too much lately. Just curious. I'm trying to think of things that might get you going, get you engaged again. He always talks about write your story, like really think what your narrative is going to be and then go live it.

So that's one of his insights. All right, Danny, don't be a stranger. Let us know how you do here, okay? All right. Thank you. Have a good one. You bet. We're going to keep taking calls.

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what does that mean I'm just kidding I am an authority I've practiced medicine for 40 years does me helping Andy come off help me understand what that is i don't know it's not really authoritarian you just have a you have a breadth of of information you know you you know

a lot so just by talking i'm authoritarian yeah well maybe he didn't like his teacher whatever right or his dad okay all right well let me know what that is i don't know he isn't really authoritarian around here honestly i'd like to know what that is even i don't understand what that means how somebody who is an authority in a certain area tells you about it but i don't understand i know you're kind of a devil's advocate what does that mean like if i say something you have to always say the opposite there has been a time in our life you don't do it as much anymore but you always try to think of all the reasons why it wouldn't happen because you're doing you're you're trying to count out all the things that

could be against whatever my theory is and then usually you're wrong that's just called conversation that's just called being in conversation right that's just saying oh that's a good idea hmm have you ever thought about this? And then I go, no, just listen to me. I understand. That's not a conversation. That's a monologue. Yeah.

But I get it. Authoritarian may be a little strong. Here's the definition. Emily Barsh says authoritative. Favoring complete obedience. Yeah, or subjection to authority authority yeah that in fact i am the opposite i am the opposite i do not understand how governors felt okay locking down their citizens i i spoke to a governor from one of the midwestern northern plain type states and he was saying how

this isn't why i became governor to tell people what to do and how to live their life. And I related so strongly. And when I saw so many of these governors gleefully telling everybody to shelter in place, I literally can't get it in my head. I cannot understand what that is. So by that definition, I am actually the opposite.

And that's exactly the point. That does not make you an authoritarian, Drew. It makes you the opposite of an authoritarian. You actually have the authority and the experience to make those calls. No, that's why it's confusing to me. That's why it's

confusing to me. But if I'm doing something to come off that way, I should know it. So that's why I'm kind of... Just a smartass. That's all. Just a troll. I'm not even sure I understand. Yeah. I have a bunch of smartasses smart ass. That's all. Just a troll. I'm not even sure I understand. Yeah. I have a bunch of smart asses around me. All right. Let's get some calls up here.

Let's bring Auntie Mare. Oh, on France. Are we going to talk French? Meredith. Meredith. C'est une part de l'enfant. You got to unmute yourself. You got very quiet there for a second there we are what's happening

um still very quiet um so just kind of wanted just a couple things oh hey so i moved from chicago to california orange county in 1990. So, Iraq was my jam until I moved back to Chicago in 2009. So, I would commute from Corona to Costa Mesa and Loveline was my thing. But at least you were in California during the glory days. You left just in time before it turned into a crap hole. But here we are. A shit show. Totally. A shit show. Totally. A shit show, yeah.

And I kind of want to go back to the joy thing. Yeah, please. So I have a couple of friends who I kind of joined into a text group representing all different times of my life, like grade school, high school, college, and professional. And I kind of brought us all together because they were texting me individually about like am i crazy like i can't figure this out what's going on during the pandemic and slowly each of us revealed um kind of what got us through it was

was god or a spirituality like really coming to the conclusion that i am not the most powerful thing in the universe regardless of what you want to call it um but i am not the nexus like there is there is something more powerful than me in this universe yes because otherwise i wouldn't be able to deal with the evil that i am seeing and do you do you sort of grapple with something they used to call theodicy you know what what could the meaning be of all this evil yes i i think the the pandemic opened my eyes to the willingness of governments to allow collateral damage on such a large podcast. And this, the guy who's interviewing was just said, you know, in the 20th century, uh, the ability of centralized governments to harm their citizens was sort of on a scale never imagined. So we can do it. Governments can do it. What is it? Lex, Lex, Lex, Fredman, Friedman, Friedman, Friedman. Friedman, yeah. It's always been that way. And I think to your point about having a difficulty getting it through your head that an American system can do that, usually when it happens, it's when it becomes too centralized.

And maybe we've become overly centralized and we really should be more states, right oriented. Do you think that's a possibility? Agreed. Very much so. And like I said, it was just, it was just the willingness of our government, like denying Ivermectin,

the whole, you know, emergency youth authorization, use authorization, even though there were, there were, there were treatments that could work, and they ignored that, and they silenced it. You must not have been listening to too many of the interviews I've been doing, but I've

been interviewing all the people that have been silenced to try to put the pieces together, and it's rather extraordinary when you hear what had actually happened. I've not taken a position on the early treatment stuff. In fact, we've avoided talking about it because YouTube will de-platform us if we do. But I haven't needed to. I haven't needed to talk about that because what we found is

they invented things out of whole cloth. They were self-righteous and incompetent and made decisions that begged no alternative and could not change position or turn back or take a risk-reward analysis and crushed all dissent. It was, it's wild what went on. But I think we can at least talk about it now. And I feel like people are beginning to wake up to what happened and they don't, they don't like it as much like you. Now, Meredith, my question is though, if it is a spiritual problem,

how do we solve it? That's a really tough one. Cause I, I feel like, and again, I don't, I don't want to sound like a kooky, crazy, like, you know, crazy person. This is where I'm coming to. And this is how I'm able to remain grounded and stable. And so I really feel like we're kind of coming to this place of like truly a good versus evil in our society. I mean, how else can you explain what people are doing to our children? Well, it's interesting to me that I'm having trouble telling who the good guys and the bad

guys are anymore. It seems like the excesses everywhere are the problem. That when people take extreme positions, whichever direction, that's how we get into trouble. And it's then hubris around those positions that are particularly concerning so i my my my based on what you're saying my suggestion would be to remain humble that's good advice right erineth absolutely so humility number one that we don't we don't know what the big plan is and we don't know what we don't know, and we don't get carried away with one opinion or another, so stay humble. And the other is to re-entrench in important relationships, which is what you did, which I find so fascinating.

You took all these relationships across your lifespan, and you rekindled them, and there's something in that. I've seen a lot of that happening lately, a lot of that. Well, because I just, I just feel like, I mean, all these friends are reaching out to me and they're like, I'm so lost. Like, am I crazy? Like, and so I'm like, I just kept adding them one at a time as they were reaching out to me. And I'm like, Oh, you know what? Let me, let me add you to my little support group. How many did you, did you end up with just out of curiosity? There are five of us.

So I added four people. And do they feel less crazy? They do. Yeah. Absolutely. And so two are in the Chicago area and two are from California. And I was feeling crazy too. I was really, I, and I, I'm still, unfortunately the way my, um, the way my internal defense strategies work, I, I experienced confusion before I experienced anger or rage.

So I'm still, I'm confused about a lot of things. Uh, but that confusion is, is becoming less broad. I'm starting to understand things. But one of the things I saw early, uh, was the was the centralization. I think we've got to fight against that, that over-centralized governments have an uncanny ability to do harm. They just do. 100%. All right, Meredith, thank you so much.

Thank you. You bet. You have a super chat. Not only that, Susan, I saw somebody saying that Dr. John Campbell is on fire right now. Oh, really? Are we competing with him right now? No, Susan, I saw somebody saying that Dr. John Campbell's on fire right now. Oh, really? Are we competing with him right now? No, no, no.

He says he stares into the camera. So important. It's so important. He has been on fire lately, guys. You should watch the last three or four of them. He has been very concerned. And it's interesting, this cardiologist i spoke to from the uk um was was mentioning many of the things that he has been bringing up in his uh in his uh quick streams

susan what is the super chat it's from my tube okay can you see it nope go ahead read it what are you seeing with cannabis addiction schizophrenic reactions psychosis type symptoms well you should say that happened to me 20 years ago but the doctors thought I was a bipolar. Heard it's more common now. Insight? You are 100% common. Excuse me, I'm 100% correct. Both of my kids have had it. Yeah. So it is exceedingly common. What we're seeing is multiple things that we really only saw unusually before. So addiction used to be really quite uncommon. It happened, but only people like me would see it. Now it is common. If you are dabbing, if you are using these ultra concentrated versions of weed that's out there, take a look at it. You will have withdrawal. The withdrawal is substantial. People are developing hypomania and psychotic symptoms. They get very grandiose.

They get kind of delusional. Then they can sometimes, I just, Susan, you had dinner next to a kid that had a Frank psychosis member. Right. So we were talking over though. We were at a retreat.

We were at a presentation on drug addiction in Florida. And the, the, the dinner, the chair next to Susan was this young kid that regaled her. But I think like kids think that or people, not just kids, think that pot's okay and then they just keep using and using and then at a certain point,

it's a breaking point, right? Not only that, it has a really rapid onset anosognosia. So it blocks the insight into what it's doing to you. So you may start having trouble where you're not functioning as effectively as you used to, and you will not be aware of it because you'll feel inflated and big and sort of bigger than life because of the weed. Also, cannabis hyperemesis, exceedingly common. If you know somebody who's vomiting and hasn't been explained, ask if they're smoking a lot of weed it is every time and i've seen these people

getting multi-million dollar workups and no one asked them are you smoking pot smoking weed so hyperemesis addiction what's that also because so many so many people recommend marijuana for nausea well that's the symptoms so you might just make it worse it does work and uh look and a lot of people right that's very true caleb and a lot of people use this drug without any trouble i'm not saying that it's a bad drug there's no such thing as a bad drug in my humble opinion but there are problems and we need to be realistic about it and the fact that we can't have realistic conversation is what bothers me so you know we're going to probably you know most states have legalized it now. And the discussion that has been had over the years that, oh my God, it's not nearly as bad as alcohol.

Correct. It's not nearly as bad as tobacco. Correct. But now we're going to bring another chemical into that lineup. We're going to have a third. It's going to be owned by Big Tobacco, everybody. They're the ones that are going to take over. They've been rapidly taking the product over.

Sorry, I'm having a weird allergic reaction. You get psychosis from cigarettes? No, but you get lung. You get other things. I mean, we're going to have a trilogy. We're going to have weed, alcohol, and tobacco. It also stays in your system when you're trying to get off of it. It stays in your fat cells. It takes a while, but it doesn't affect you in the fat cells. Look, I go out of my way to be exquisitely accurate with this drug. Everything I'm telling you is 100% accurate. I've seen a lot of it. I've been practicing addiction medicine since 1991.

So what is that, 30-plus years? I've seen it all, and I've seen what this drug has done over time, and it's super, super clear what's happening. And yes, alcohol in terms of impact on days of work lost, it's a carcinogen, it's the only drug that is commonly fatal in withdrawal, it has more per capita effect than any other drug, car accidents, it's alcohol.

Boy, that's the king. Alcohol is the king of adverse health effect. Tobacco was close behind in its own little way. We're doing better with that now. And again, we're going to add a third in here. And just as long as we can talk rationally about it and deal with it, I'll be fine with it. I mean, if you have a little bit here and there or whatever, but if you're waking up and having a bong hit for breakfast, you might end up kind of stoned by nighttime. You might want to look into it.

You might. That's all I'm saying. And you might get a little psychotic. Particularly with the potent, super potent stuff. Yeah, it's more potent. I couldn't believe when I went to New York and there was a pot truck right in front of our building on the Upper

West Side. And I was like, why don't we have a martini truck there too? Because that's bad. I mean, look at this. Everybody at the at&t was sitting there we were all like yeah that would be better we all decided you guys everyone wants yeah so i am not the buzzkill guy i am not interested really they can sell cannabis wherever they want to i don't have a problem with it i really don't as long as you'll listen to me when i tell you what it you know what the deleterious effects are and what you gotta worry well there were these guys like sitting in a car like just on the corner

kind of car was kind of catty corner like on 95th there's not a lot of room there and they were all just laying there like like dead in the eyes i think they were all really wasted sure and they weren't yeah it was weird and look in california effectively all drugs are legal effectively everything is legal here and you see what happens on the streets because of legalization i mean that's what happens and so you know i i don't like that happening to people that's kind of sad but i don't make the laws so let me uh i mean new york had a tough time during covid so i guess that's a good way to eliminate the anxiety and getting high and whatever oh my god susan this is jay fro

stop this is jenny jenny stop stop susan now hi jenny hi hi dr drew hi um caleb and um susan Caleb and Susan. And Susan. Talking. Actually, that last Super Chat question was really informative. My daughter got off, what do you call it? I think you referred to it. It's one of the, they're super concentrated. The dabs. The dabs, yes. The dabs or the wax. The shatter.

The shatter, yes. The dabs, the wax. The shatter. The shatter, yeah. And it was like, I was on the phone with her every night for nights because she was having insomnia. And, oh, it was just awful to get off of that stuff. It was terrible. But she had her one-year anniversary of being clean last month. Oh, congratulations. Our daughter's in the program, too. Same thing.

Same exact thing. She's in her. She's thing. She's in her, she's like, she's about 10 months now. Yeah. Almost December, it'll be a full year. Crazy.

Well, that's awesome. So that wasn't my question, but my question was actually, I was listening to the stream with Dr. Prasad yesterday and I had to, I had to leave halfway through it. I'm going to finish it, but he did touch on

something and I'm really curious what your opinion is on it. And he mentioned that the national health professionals sharing this what if data, like what if we didn't do anything? What if there was no vaccines? Here's how many deaths we would have. How is it that they're blocking scientists and professionals and professors from saying just simple questions about what's actually happening, yet they're allowed to spread what-if data that didn't happen, wouldn't have happened? It's just, why is that not being talked about more? It's really hard to understand. It's really, I don't get it.

I don't even understand the impulse to push that material. Like why do you want to scare people and bully them and force them? Let them and their doctors decide what they're going to do. You should not be involved. Why are we doing this? It's very weird, very concerning to me. I do think people are waking up and are starting to think for themselves and are realizing they've been had. Not had, they've been manipulated. They've been manipulated through the use of fear and panic, and now they want more information, and they should get it. Prasad is really good.

He's great. Yeah, he's excellent. And he was really taking on, I thought one of the things he said that was different than other people was taking on the excess death sort of data. So we talked to Ed Dowd, who was very hot on that data. And Vinay had a very interesting sort of insight, which is the expected death is already a model that we can't rely on. So how do we- That's a medical point of view too. But I get it.

His point is well said. What a lot of the excess death is based on is that following pandemics, nearly always deaths go down for a while, but no one's ever locked the world down before so we don't know what that's going to do to the death rate i know so i can't wait to see 10 years from now how we're looking back at this god i hope your mouth to god's ears won't be kind i hope so i hope it's not kind it should not be kind to this i knew it i knew it before what do you what did you know it would not be kind and it's not even historical yet when did you know that i've said it like 14 times and i was

like history would not be kind on what we're doing like and we'll we'll look back and go holy crap that was not an idea i would just like to just say one one more thing and and i'm curious if you've thought about this as well i would love to see the correlation between people who had like myocarditis or like other kind of health outcomes from taking the vaccine and those who didn't have family doctors. People who didn't have some- People who had no access to healthcare? Exactly.

Who didn't have an ongoing family doctor who knew their like conditions. Yeah, there is, I think you can extrapolate to something like that when you look at the data on people in underserved communities, because they almost never have a primary caretaker. And they definitely did worse. They definitely did worse. I don't know if they did worse with the vaccine or not,

but they've generally been doing worse throughout this pandemic in all respects. So worth looking at. I'll take a look at that. Thank you. Thanks very much. You bet take a look at that. Thank you. Thanks very much. You bet. And what does that say, Susan? Another super chat. Thank you. I think it's my tube.

Thank you. You and Adam made me feel less alone when I was in the thick of it. Silver lining, I'm now a practicing Buddhist and much better for it. Wow. I think he means during the pandemic. That's interesting. Very interesting. I'm not means during the pandemic. Yeah. Very interesting. I'm not sure if it's a male or a female.

I'm not sure. But thank you. We appreciate the super chats. We will shout out to you. And here is Dirk. We're going to get Dirk up here. I'm trying to get to everybody. I know I'm not going to make it,

but I'm trying. Dirk. Susan, don't you have an appointment you got to run out no I got pushed it's okay I'll go I can stay okay waiting for Dirk to unmute our daughter is still here hi hey hey man how's it going with you today sir pretty good pretty pretty good to quote uh David uh oh man what's his my my you, I have diverticulitis right now. I'm always antibiotics. It is affecting my brain for sure.

Oh, shut up. It is. You know, Dr. Drew, I'm one of your biggest fans, sir. Thanks, sir. Because I watched you on Loveline on MTV. Very great show. And I always like listening to you, sir. Thank you, buddy.

The Loveline MTV was a lot of fun. That was an interesting thing to be a part of. And it's hard for people to understand how different things were back then. Oh, definitely. I got two questions for you. One is, where do you see this election and who do you think will win? And my second thing is, do you see us pretty much over with the pandemic or do you think it's going to continue?

By this election, which particular election are you talking about? The midterms. What do you think? I don't know. I just look at the polls like everybody else. I worry about my friend Mehmet Oz. I hope he succeeds. He's a

really competent person. I know where his heart's at. He would be amazing on behalf of the Pennsylvania people and the federal government. I'm glad to hear from you. That's what I think about. Any other ones around here we're thinking about? I want Gavin Newsom to be gone.

Whatever. That's not going to happen. Come on, everybody. Vote Republican. Though there are no, nobody's. I do worry about the city, the city of Los Angeles, because I just am afraid Karen Bass will be more of the same. But that's about all my thoughts right now. Kamala's behind her. Well, be that as it may.

We can't vote for that, unfortunately. We're in Pasadena. Dirk, what was the other thing you asked about? About about the pandemic so i i am earlier on if you've been listening to the stream i was saying avoid hubris don't don't be too sure of yourself so one of my lessons in this is to always respect the virus that this virus could come back at us hard in some way that we don't anticipate. It could. Do I expect it? I do not.

I do not expect it. Do I think it's over? I do not. I think that it's endemic and it's going to be around and causing nuisances for a long time, but that we've got to get much more rational in our relationship with the virus and our deployment of vaccines and our use of therapeutics, much more evidence-based.

That's all I'm looking for here. Let's talk to Lisa here. See what she wants to say. Thank you, Dirk and Lisa. You're muted. So if you unmute that mic, where I still have 12 requests,

I'm trying to, and he said, Susan. Wow. I'm here. Hello. Hello Somebody said Susan. Wow. I'm here. Hello. Hello. One second.

Yeah. Sorry. One second, Lisa. That's not me. That's Susan. I am the independent guy. No. I just want Gavin out at all costs.

I don't care who you just vote for. Lisa, go ahead. Oh, I'm kind of changing the subject here. I'm getting a shingle shot next week. A second shot. And I have, that's my daughter. And I'm, well, it's already in me, but I mean, what are your thoughts about, I'm 55 now and I just want to know if I'm doing the right thing. Oh, a hundred percent.

We are good. A hundred percent is the right thing. I've had it. It's a nasty vaccine. You said you did take it? How did you feel after the first one? Because I need one and I keep putting it off. Yeah, I keep telling her to get it.

I heard a lot of bad things and I was really scared. And you know how you kind of hype yourself up and go, but I was fine. I think I had more of a sore arm after the COVID shot. Really? Yeah. I took the Johnson & Johnson COVID. I had a significantly worse reaction to that than I did to the shingles vaccine. Oh, wow.

I did not like the shingles vaccine. I'm sorry about it. Oh, there's my eye. The second one can be worse, though, so now I'm worried. It can be, but not always. It can be, but not always. What are the symptoms? I mean, just kind of like a flu shot, just kind of a sore arm?

No, it's a malaise, like weakness and malaise. How I feel every day. I never would notice it. Wow. Okay, so I'm glad I did the right thing because my sister, she had shingles a few years back, and she said, yeah. You do not want shingles trust me it is terrible good for you for getting it at 55 i've been putting it off for seven years yeah yeah and i mean that's it then i won't ever have to do it again or is this a one-time thing for shingles

we think it's a one-timer it seems to be a one-timer as far as we know but it's a two-part vaccine right you gotta take both parts right well. Well, I'm glad that you brought that up before I hang up. I know I'm yakking away here. But I did take it in January. And I think they said, I mean, it's not too far out, is it? It's already October. Yes, it's too far out. You might have to repeat.

Let me double check. Let me look it up. Let's look it up. I thought I heard six months. And for some reason, the summer went by so quick and i was like oh no i mean the doctor would have told me right well great i know hold on let me see if you can see i brought that up yeah i'm glad you did too uh six months uh oh really So I'm past that mark? Does it matter?

If you were my patient, I would look it up. I'm not doing an extensive little research right now. I'm just kind of glancing at stuff. I would look through the literature more carefully, which I have not done because no one has asked me this question. I'm looking

here. But in all probability, I would tell you to get the whole series over again oh my goodness you're kidding oh well i'm so happy that i brought that because i kept you know how you're like oh i've got to make that appointment i've got to make that appointment i mean if it was more important yeah you got to get that in there though so now you know too but oh so even well let me say it would only be i should have did it in aug no august you should have done it in eight months in june yeah at the latest at the latest i usually tell patients three months um really yeah because they forget for exactly what happened

yeah well here we go here we go here Well, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Oh, here we go. Oh, he found something. Wait, I'm wrong. I am wrong. It sounds good. It sounds good.

What should I do? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The doctor called me and said, hey, you got to get. Well, then I suppose they don't do that with everybody. Here it is. What should I do if a patient waits? This is for the doctors.

What should I do if a patient waits longer than six months to get the second dose? You should give the second dose as soon as possible. You do not need to restart the series. So there you go. Well, they told me to wait six months now. You know what I mean? Three to six. But here it is.

I think this is the CDC. Whose website am I on? I'm on the CDC. Well, I mean, I'm out 10 months now. Everybody loves the CDC. No, but they're saying you don't need to. Look, this is the CDC. the cdc was whose website am i on i'm on the well i mean i'm out 10 months now everybody loves this scene no but they're saying you don't need to look they're there this is cdc i i think for me i might make you do the whole thing again i might um but uh but here's the cdc saying you don't have to i don't want to get shingles i mean whatever i mean i know i guess i could ask my doctor too yeah

cdc says just take that second vaccine as fast as possible. Okay? Okay. Well, I'm going to. So do that. It's this Wednesday. Yeah. And call your doctor and ask.

Make sure that he or she agrees with that, and off you go. Well, that's what I said today, because I made the appointment today, and she said, how's Wednesday? And I said, and I told her exactly, but this was the person taking the. Yeah, yeah. Just make sure that the information gets to your doctor and that he or she is cool with that. Otherwise, you really think Dr. Drew that I probably have to do the whole thing again?

No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm not... I did not say that. I did not. Be very careful. You got to listen. I choose my words very, very carefully. Yes, no, I understand.

So what I'm saying is you need to get the vaccine as soon as possible if your doctor agrees. All right, which I'll be doing. That's what I'm saying. I also said if i were taking care of you we would sit down and go hmm oh god how much do you really not want to get shingles and let's call and we would probably call the pharmacist together and go what do you

guys recommend do you think we should restart this we would think about doing the whole series again and my bet would be you and I working together would end up taking that series again, but that is not the recommendation and you should follow whatever your doctor says. Okay. Right. Okay.

Okay. And now before I hang up, usually I hang up and go, Oh, I should have asked him this, but it was coming to mind. I don't want to do a double whammy and do a flu shot the same day. Don't do that.

No, never do that. I think, I think I have done, I think I did that. One of the things I did it, but I, but don't do it. Don't do that. No, never do that. I think I have done, I think I did that one of the things. I don't remember how I did it,

but don't do it. Just spread them out. There's no point. How long do you think I should spread that out? I mean, even, it depends how miserable you are with the shingles.

I mean, a week or two is fine. Okay. Okay, well, thank you guys for your help. I appreciate that. Have a good one. Thank you.

Bye-bye. Okay. Everything cool, Susan? You're good still? Yeah. We're going to wrap up soon, guys. I'm trying to get to all this stuff here. There's still so many people on the line. I know.

I feel guilty. Winston, we're going to get you up here. Hey, what's up? I'm Dr. Drew. Just kind of wanted to bring up kind of what's going on as I see it. See if I can shed some light onto the CDC decision today. Please. So, again, this is as I understand it.

But what this all boils down to is the 1986 Vaccine Childhood Injury Act. So, basically what had happened in the early 80s, you kind of even mentioned it earlier about funding and whatnot. Vaccine manufacturers were just getting hammered with lawsuits, be it from real or not real. Injuries were happening and they said, you know what? All right, screw it. We're not going to make vaccines anymore. Washington immediately pulled the handbrake. I think it was the, uh, the, the DPT vaccine. But at any rate, they, they put through that, the, the act in 1986. And what it did is

basically created the no fault system for vaccine manufacturers, gave us the VAERS system, and then also the vaccine injury court. So if you get a flu shot, you get injured, you don't sue the manufacturer. It goes to this court, which is a federal court. And now this basically, again, this is just as I understand it, but what it does is once they get a vaccine onto the childhood recommended schedule is when they fall under this umbrella. Now, that's for adult or childhood vaccines. Oh, I didn't know it was adult also. That makes sense. Yes.

Exactly. Exactly. And I think that's been kind of childhood vaccines. Oh, I didn't know it was adult also. That makes sense. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And I think that's been kind of the fly in the ointment. And I've edited it out through the bill itself. So why don't they go for just adult approval? Why do they have to have – Because in order to get the protection, they have to be on the childhood schedule.

They can't be on the adult schedule alone and get the same protection. Exactly. The whole bill, the 86 bill was based and predicated on, well, you know, save the children, save the children. Okay. Got it. Yeah. No, I knew that was what was moving things in that direction. It was quite clear that was happening. It was very, go ahead. Here's the thing that really kind of gets me on it. You know, you've, I tend to really lean on Hanlon's razor. Don't blame nefariousness where you can blame incompetence. The mismanagement of this whole thing top to bottom. But when I see something like this that has always kind of been the end game,

and it's been so methodical in its approach to it, it just gets that kind of conspiracy hackles up. It's like some people have been moving the ball this way allowing for everyone else to fall for the whether it be the appeal to uh authority fallacy kind of left and right and this has been their end state so to most oh oops sorry gosh darn it sorry go finish winston i really struggle i've tried to steal man in every way that i can and what's the name of the razor hamlin's razor you heard of occam's razor oh yeah but hamlin's it's the law the law of parsimony versus the law of which we call this one yeah hamlin's razor is don't blame nefariousness where you can blame incompetence god knows this pandemic has been a grotesque example

of that law we have opened up a vein with that razor. How do you spell his name? Law of Hamlin? Hamlin. H-A-N-L-O-N. Hamlin. Okay. I'm so glad to know that.

H-A-N-L-O-N. H-A-N-L-O-N. Hamlin. Yep. L-O-N. Boy, I've never felt more strongly about a law than that one. It's pretty fantastic. Again, I try to use Occam's razor for most things, but I always keep that one in my back pocket because it definitely cuts through. It certainly has been, even though I agree with you, there has been sort of an uncanny march on this one.

It's been nonstop, and it's always been the end state. But now when I read the bill, this is something that's very interesting to me. So it talks about payouts. And in the bill, I've actually got it here in front of me. It says, so this was additional remedies provides that no vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in civil action damaging arising from vaccine-related injury or death, resulting from unavoidable side effects solely due to the manufacturer's failure to provide direct warnings, provide that the manufacturer may be held liable there, or such manufacturer engaged in fraudulent or intentional withholding of information. Such manufacturer failed to exercise due care,

permits punitive damage against them. So basically, if you can prove fraud, which, again, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a lawyer. I am, in fact, an idiot. But as I read that, looking at all the data that I've gone through on this, again, through the aperture of a moron, there's some very fishy stuff there to where i imagine that if they will be able to prove fraud that will open them up for everything i i i that gives

me inspiration on one hand also the withholding that withholding of 75 years drew withholding yeah withholding of warning also is is really i i bet you could find a smoking gun on that one and um yeah i think um and by the way you calling yourself a dummy that's uh imposter effect uh which is which is always the smart people that claim themselves to be dumb and the dumb people are it's it's the opposite of dunning krueger dunning krueger has the the dumb people saying they're smart and the smart people playing that saying they're dumb. Alright, my friend. Thank you, Winston. One last thing I wanted to bring up on the sorrow of kind of everything.

Yes. It's kind of been the through line throughout this whole conversation. And I just turned 42 on Monday. So coming from the age of you know, the 80s and through today, I've noticed that there was a time we speak about news. You got your news at a half an hour.

But I think more important than that was we all agreed on it. You know, you could have a debate with somebody and I could say, well, Drew, according to the New York Times, we all kind of agreed that that was a viable source. Yes. Yes, we did. So now we're at a point where not only do we have news 24 hours a day, nobody knows who to trust. I know. And it's just it's completely gone. I look around and I'm having, again, not being the sharpest tool, I'm having to default to everybody's trying to screw me when it comes to any matter of fact.

Because it's the only safe thing I can do. Yeah. You know? And that's what, was it, oh, I'm blanking on his name. We talked to a young man nearly your age, 37-year-old, who was saying the loss of trust was the major source of this and then powerlessness. So loss of trust and powerlessness and then spiritual vacuum. Those seem to be the sort of elements that are coming together here. Well, it's not the powerlessness because, if anything, I felt more empowered because, again, from the jump with this whole vaccine thing, I was reading.

I got my bullshit detector went off. And I'm like, okay, I need to take this on myself. I read every Pfizer BioNTech press release, every one of their studies, again, knowing that I'm not a doctor or statistician or anything. But at least knowing that I'm going to have to do this myself was empowering. And you could, too. That's the other thing. You can now. This stuff's available.

So that's good news. It's all there. And, I mean i mean again i've got the vaccine bill up in front of me and this is stuff that i wouldn't have ever done before so as opposed to being told that oh this is what it is i'm like you know the trust but verify in overdrive good excellent i like this guy i did want to thank you because you've been kind of you've been so cautious about this and you've been kind of the just a good counterweight but again the reason i called in is just because everything flying around on the internet today is they're going to mandate it in schools maybe they will maybe they won't but we have to stick to the facts and what we know now is this is again my presumption this is why they did it it might need to lead to mandates but you can't go around

spouting out mandates because that's easy to disprove and then people will disprove everything right well the states can mandate it now they can absolutely but but hopefully they won't hopefully they won't and in the meantime colleges are mandating it anyway you know it's crazy yeah it's absolute insanity but when you when you're coming from a point of like i don't know what the term i'm looking for but just the fringe i guess like if you're fighting the mainstream anybody i talk to about this type of stuff i have to make sure all my t's are crossed lowercase j's are dotted because you punch a hole in one thing they instantly try to discredit everything yes yes true so when i and with what with what the CDC just pulled the last two days,

just anybody out there who's listening that is talking about this, make sure you're framing it the correct way because you're probably telling people that don't know and you want to give them the real truth because that'll kind of blow their mind. And by the way, for me, it was RFK Jr. that alerted me to this.

And then we discussed it again yesterday. And now you, the third day in a row. I would not have, if people had been critical of us talking to RFK, I would not have really been aware of any of this if he hadn't just kind of shined a light on it for me. I wouldn't have been aware of him as a whole because frankly, I dismissed him like I was told to do.

Me too. As just an anti-vax crank. I had no idea about the work he did with the EPA and all that. Like he's a national treasure. He's a smart a smart guy i mean he's a smart dude he's over his skis a bit and he thinks like an attorney you know they're very narrow narrow focus but litigious yeah but but uh you know again i'm looking for bits of information i'm i'm scrapped we all anybody who considered you know like scrapped you were afraid of him too though drew yeah we were the

champ we all anybody who considered you know like what what you were told like oh you know vaccines cause autism and and like that's the guy you know my wife is a you know occupational therapist that's kind of her stock and trade and she's like that's absurd x y and z and kind of goes through it um but i'm convinced that if he had like a pleasant baritone we'd be out of this mess because i mean again it's hard to listen to him but his the information is just golden all right thanks and he's a falconer i like this guy i know that but so winston you and caleb need to meet i think yeah Yeah, I like this guy. Caleb drinks on me, my man. How old are you?

Are you in your 30s? 42. Just turned 42 on Monday. Isn't it so interesting how you just feel like you were so naive just a few years ago? I'm at 30, what, 34 now technically. I feel like, wow, I was so naive just two years ago.

This is the other thing about Robert F. Kennedy Jr. because I got really hyped about this part of it. This is an actual quote from him that I was going to put up during his show that was in the New York Times in 2019 where he's saying, I am not anti-vaccine. I want safe vaccines with robust safety testing. However, if you go to Google

and you look up Robert F. Kennedy Jr., almost every single thing at the top first page of Google has anti-vaccine, zealot anti-vaccine, idol in the headlines. It's almost like they're constantly trying to slander him in this way when that's not what he's saying at all. But maybe he is a favored sort of figurehead in that world. True.

Like Michael Malice has said and i think it's great the the you know the media is is uh factual but not accurate not truthful and you can cherry pick stuff that he says and yeah you can make him sound like whatever but it's like a story that i heard not to take too much time but it's a good analogy you know when uh some band from the 70s called black sabb. They would go and they would ask for... I'm spitballing here. This guy, Ozzy Osbourne? I don't know. Anyway, keep going.

We'll go with Foghat to keep things current. But they would ask for a brandy glass full of seven brown M&Ms when they got to their venue. And it might sound insane, but the reason that they did that is because you could walk in there and instantly be like,

well, there's seven brown M&Ms in that glass. glass that tells us everything else is here kind of a good litmus test for it they green did i always heard they were green sure and i heard those are also aphrodisiac i don't know i'm not a doctor so the red ones are poison okay here we go but again it just seems like when i see i'm having to default on that, everybody's trying to screw me. Because when I see Google and any mainstream thing, to Caleb's point, like Google the guy and look at it. It's wild. And now if you tell me not to read somebody, that's kind of exactly what I want to do now and decide for myself. Yep, I agree.

But at any rate, I can't thank you enough, Drew. You've been just phenomenal throughout this whole thing, man. A voice of reason. I appreciate you. Trying to make sense of things, buddy. been just phenomenal throughout this whole thing, man. A voice of reason. I appreciate you. Trying to make sense of things, buddy. Thank you so much. So sweet. Caleb, any more questions from your front?

When you were saying you felt naive two years ago, what do you mean? You know, look, it reminds me whenever I first moved to California and I was in a parking lot of a Ralph's grocery store and my car had a scratch. And some guys came up with like a magnet on the side of their truck. And they said, oh, we can repair that scratch. Just hand us $200 right now. We'll go get the part, and we'll come back. Well, I trusted whatever these people said. They looked like they were an authority.

Oh, my god. And I stood in my garage. They looked at you and went, that kid is homeschooled. We're going to get him. Oh, yes. But once it happens, it does not happen again. They pull this thing one time and they cannot they can't make they can't fool me now. Now it's like now that it's you can't you can't pull that over me.

It can happen one time. And I feel like the same thing is happening here is people feel like guys like it sure seemed like maybe they can go back and not find it. But it sure did seem like they were making it sound like if you didn't get these mRNA vaccines, then your kids were going to take the virus home and kill grandma, that if you get it, you're going to stop transmission. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, they're saying, oh, well, wait, we didn't actually study if it stopped the transmission at all. And it's these little changing stories where it's people like me who even from the beginning was like, look, we're going to go get the vaccine once we

can get it. Once we're on the waiting list, we'll go get it. We were all on board with this thing. We live in California and now we feel like we're lied to and they will never get us back. That's what they don't understand. They're not going to get us trusted again. Yeah. There's that. And look, we are not saying, and I want to be super clear about this. None of the people I've interviewed, well, some people have been a little extreme, but let me tell you my position at least. Not saying if you take this vaccine, you're going to be injured. That is not the point. Now, Kelly gets close to saying things like that when she's talking about the excess cancers and

the excess heart disease. And even she's worried about there's something happening to our bodies, our immune system, because of this vaccine that maybe is accelerating something. But even that is pretty unusual. She doesn't worry about it. I am saying I am not really worried about that. I am worried that we're making young, healthy people sick for no reason. Not in a large large scale if it's one in 7 500 and the risk of of the covet itself is one in 10 000 that's insane we're making young healthy people sick for no reason that's what i'm worried about that's are they not afraid it may turn out to are they not afraid of this backfiring like that's my worry is that well five years from now from now, how many people and how many, like, it's, you can literally create, because I know how my extended family are

and how they became, like, extreme anti-vaxxers and anti-doctors. Like, they're so far on the anti side. This is from, you know, 20 years of stuff because there were, they had stuff and everyone was acting as if, oh, it's not real. It didn't happen. And they felt like they were being diminished by their own physicians that were supposed to be taking care of them. Well, then they passed this on to a next generation of all of us kids that there's going to be a whole generation of people now that don't trust any medicine at all because their parents saw something. They don't trust it.

They're just going to keep passing it down. How about their feeling about the government? Oh, exactly. Oh, yeah. How about their feeling? I mean, that's what worries me. The government has lost its credibility. And by the way, I meant to ask Winston. He mentioned Michael Malice. I did a two-part interview with Michael Malice. Part two is up right now, the Dr. Drew podcast. Do we have that up on the website? Yeah, I think it's actually up there. Yeah, so Winston, go visit me

and Michael Malice. It was a really interesting romp through Michael's brain. And that's some of the things that he's very concerned about, is how do governments have, achieve, restore, determine, literacy, goddammit, my brain, legitimacy, legitimacy. I better stop. I better stop. I know, I got a hair appointment. Yeah.

I don't know. I think I get more mad about these topics now that I have a son and so all of a sudden I'm just like it's not just me it's I have this little innocent baby that I have to think about all this stuff and I'm just shocked whenever I you know it's I'm I got the mRNA stuff I got the vaccines and I was fine he's fine my wife is fine

but that doesn't mean it's totally fine for every single person on the planet and I was fine. He's fine. My wife is fine. But that doesn't mean it's totally fine for every single person on the planet. And why is it so controversial for someone like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to... Play Drew's vaccine rant. Well, why is it so controversial for him to demand a higher standard of testing for vaccines that we're going to be giving to our toddlers and infants? Why is that such a controversial thought? And I would even argue that this shouldn't even be getting to the American public. Why is it that a guy like Jay Bhattacharya raises his hand and goes, hey, guys, let's think about this. And they crush him. And they don't.

That's when it gets out to the public, these excesses. It's going to backfire. It's going to keep going. It's like you look at the generation of people. My whole, my parents' generation was so affected by what happened in Waco that it's just trickled down to a complete distrust of the government ever since then. And it's going to do the same thing with this. It may take a few years, but it's going to keep going. And it's pretty, I wish it didn't happen. We don't have a few years to wait. We're going to leave and we're going to be back on Monday. And on monday i think we

have pierre cory if i remember right on tuesday we have a few special guests that are trying to get into that slot so kelly will join us on monday and we have a few people trying to get in on the tuesday that you're aware of that right uh caleb yes we're still working out the details on a super special guest that might be coming that day yeah Yeah. I can't wait for that. If that indeed turns out to be the case. So we have some, a lot of stuff coming. So stay with us.

I have to travel a bit next week. So I'll be out of town from Wednesday on. And then gone till the following Wednesday. Right. So Thursday, we're going to be out. We'll be gone from Thursday to Wednesday. But we'll be back.

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