Ask Dr. Drew - Ivor Cummins: Resisting The Great Reset, Agenda 2030 & Pandemic Propaganda w/ Dr. Kelly Victory – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 252

Episode Date: August 21, 2023

Ivor Cummins joins Dr. Kelly Victory to discuss The Great Reset, health censorship, and resisting the effects of pandemic propaganda. Ivor Cummins completed a Biochemical Engineering degree in 1990. He has since spent 30 years in corporate technical leadership positions. Since 2012, Ivor has been intensively researching the root causes of modern chronic disease. Ivor lives in Dublin, Ireland, with his wife and five children. Find more at https://thefatemperor.com/ and follow him at https://twitter.com/fatemperor. Read Ivor Cummins’ book “Eat Rich, Live Long” at Amazon.com 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • COZY EARTH - Say goodbye to hot, restless nights with soft, temperature-regulating bedding from Cozy Earth. Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW at checkout to save 40% at https://drdrew.com/cozy • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Genucel uses clinical levels of botanical extracts in their cruelty-free, natural, made-in-the-USA line of products. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • PRIMAL LIFE - Dr. Drew recommends Primal Life's 100% natural dental products to improve your mouth. Get a sparkling smile by using natural teeth whitener without harsh chemicals. For a limited time, get 60% off at https://drdrew.com/primal • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 The CDC states that COVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective, and reduce your risk of severe illness. You should always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health.  「 ABOUT the SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 WITH DR. KELLY VICTORY 」 Dr. Kelly Victory MD is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 30 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina. Follow her at https://earlycovidcare.org and https://twitter.com/DrKellyVictory. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 For over 30 years, Dr. Drew has answered questions and offered guidance to millions through popular shows like Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Dr. Drew On Call (HLN), Teen Mom OG (MTV), and the iconic radio show Loveline. Now, Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio. Watch all of Dr. Drew's latest shows at https://drdrew.tv Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome, everyone. Today, Ivor Cummins is in here with us. It should be a very interesting conversation. Ivor is, of course, a biochemical engineer. He got interested in, amongst other things, the Great Reset agenda and sort of pushing back on that. He also was watching some old videos where he got very interested in diabetes and the sort of engineering mishaps.

I don't know how to describe it. In other words, if engineers were involved in how we practice medicine, it would be massive failures. So I thought that was sort of interesting. He has spent 30 years in corporate technical leadership positions, and since 2012, he has been researching root causes of chronic disease. And so this should be very interesting. He's got a lot of interesting ideas about some of the

stuff Kelly and I talk about regularly of course dr. Kelly Victor would be here with us as well we did get Twitter spaces up and running today so perhaps we even have a chance for some questions as well stay with us we'll be right with it after this our laws as it pertained to substances are draconian and bizarre psychopaths start this right he was an alcoholic because of social media and Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake.

Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

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Again, you can follow him on YouTube. Ivor Cummins, I V O R C U M M I N S science. Ivor Cummins science. And on Facebook, it is the fat emperor. And please welcome. Ivor Cummins, I-V-O-R-C-U-M-M-I-N-S, Science, Ivor Cummins Science. And on Facebook, it is The Fat Emperor. And please welcome Ivor.

Let's see what The Fat Emperor is all about. The Fat Emperor, where did that come from? Ivor Cummins, Ivor Cummins, Science, Ivor Cummins, Science, and on Facebook, it is The Fat Emperor. Yeah, The Fat Emperor was after I did some intense research after I got poor blood tests. I had discovered all about insulin resistance and how cholesterol and the lipoprotein system was not what we were told. And it just occurred to me with the wife one evening, a triple layer metaphor. So the emperor, the fat emperor, obviously from Hans Christian Andersen, the emperor's new clothes. And I knew many researchers understood that cholesterol was not a major problem, but they

get their mouth shut because, you know, it was the narrative. And then there was the emperor signifying corporate power that helped keep the paradigm alive. And then the poor fat emperor, the diabetic, you know, person in their 50s, obese, who was being told to eat healthy whole grains and juices uh to to get better and of course they were being put right in the fire yeah you said in your bio that you were very interested in the source of chronic disease um you know it's a topic that i i feel a little mixed about because there are a lot of people that claim we can eliminate chronic disease.

And the way humans are constructed, you'd have to really, there's so many different chronic diseases and not all of them have a cause that we can put our finger on. We can certainly mitigate so many of the problems. There's no doubt about that. And I too, I'm a big fan of the insulin resistance story. That's my story personally. That's my family's story. My lipids have lined up since removing carbohydrates from my usual, my usual dietary intake, but, but in terms of your pursuit of sort

of studying chronic disease, I mean, you're an engineer, what did you come up with? Right, Dr. Drew, well, you use the magic word I was just about to reply with mitigation. Yes, there is intractable kind of diabetes type two, that you can mitigate greatly. And some people by all means can go on the low carb, healthy high fats diet, and they can effectively resolve it. But if they go back in the old diet, it's going to be right back. So it's all about mitigation and management. And that's very important in engineering. But I discovered basically, I had very high cholesterol, I had

high serum ferritin, and I had high GGT, gamma glutamyl transferase, a liver enzyme. And the doctors I went to, three of them, including a professor of medicine in Ireland connected through the family, they couldn't give me the two key answers. And the questions I ask when I'm leading big teams internationally on complex problem solving, the questions I ask are, what are the implications of what's happening? And what are the potential root causes we can address to mitigate? And the doctors simply couldn't answer, even though they were standard blood tests. And I thought, wow, there's something huge here. How can three specialists in this standard blood tests are the tools that are trade,

and they can't answer my questions. So I said, there's something huge at the heart of medicine that's missing. So I hit research gate, I hit PubMed. And I spent the next few weeks, my wife thought I was crazy. evenings and weekends round the clock, I'm an obsessive when I've got a problem. And after a few weeks, I discovered insulin resistance, cardiometabolic syndrome, I had delved into cholesterol and the lipoproteins, and I'm kind of an animal for for technology. And I realized after a few weeks, I needed to greatly cut the

carbohydrates. I'd been drinking fruit juice for five a day. I'd been eating healthy whole grains, and I'd been trying to reduce my fat. So I switched to the extreme opposite. I ate meat, fish, and eggs and above ground leafy vegetables, non-starchy. And in six weeks, I'd collapsed my blood metrics that were bad. And in another three weeks, I've collapsed my blood metrics that were bad. And in another three weeks, I did a recheck and they collapse further. So my cholesterol ratios became superb. My GGT collapsed from 100 plus down to around high 20s. And my ferritin almost halved because ferritin is a

marker for metabolic syndrome. And now I knew what insulin resistance was. And all I knew what insulin resistance was. And all I did was diet, no extra exercise. I would not bring in any factor but diet because I'm an engineer. So I was not going to confound my results with a mixture of exercise and other healthy things, just diet. Yeah, I get it. And so now we have been through this extraordinary experience uh covet 19

and i'm guessing your engineering uh brain was firing off like you know roman candles on a regular basis um and we live in a moment here where our presence on youtube has been demonetized and restricted. And now we're hearing that if you're not explicitly forming or framing your opinions based on what the World Health Organization, the WHO, the Chinese mouthpiece, I talked to a woman yesterday who was in the who lab in hong kong working on covid19 she was quite clear the coziness with the chinese communist party was extraordinary that world health organization is supposed to be the determinant of all information that goes on youtube there will never be a day when i'm treating when i'm teaching physicians when I'm teaching physicians,

when I'm teaching residents, where I turn around and go, well, what's the World Health Organization say about that? What's the world, what are they saying? What does the CDC say? What's the FDA saying? That never, ever, ever, ever happens. What we say is,

show me the literature that formed your opinion. Give me that literature. Show me in the morning. If you make a mistake, have a backup plan. It's engineering type stuff. But we would never say, never. Here's what the World Health Organization said. That's just disgusting to even think about that

as these things have nothing to do with the practice of medicine. These organizations never did. But now we can't talk about anything medical. I'm worried about even talking about fats because who knows, World Health Organization may have their own sort of take on that, even though it's a highly, highly controversial topic. I would say it's not controversial anymore. Most people come down on your side of the equation. In fact, Peter Attia's book, Outlive,

has one of the best descriptions of lipid metabolism and insulin resistance, so accessible for the average person. But anyway, so we've been through this extraordinary experience. What have you taken away? It's kind of a broad, general question to start out with. What have you taken away from this experience, and what are your concerns for the future? Whoa, yeah, that's a big question, Dr. Drew.

I have a couple of gigabytes of archived material since 2020. There's a lot out there. So I'm going to cut straight to the chase, though, limited time. So I started off thinking it was stupidity with a fair dollop of pharmaceutical and WHO corruption, because I knew about swine flu 2009. And people need to understand Der Spiegel magazine, major mainstream in 2010, did a massive article showing that the WHO faked a pandemic, the WHO. They did. And they met with pharmaceutical around 30 reps in Geneva in 2008. And they agreed to redefine pandemic to take out the severity

clause. In other words, all you needed now was a new virus that was spreading in multiple countries. You didn't need it to be particularly severe to go to the category of pandemic. So the corruption was revealed, British Medical Journal articles at the time. So everyone knows in mainstream from 2010, the WHO have become utterly corrupted. That's a given. It's published. So when COVID came along and I saw what happened, I thought it was pharma and WHO corruption. But I think we want to get to the real thing. I only discovered later about the World Economic Forum and about the Rockefeller Institute and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund in the fifties and Dr. Jakob Nordengård, a professor in Sweden or assistant professor. He's been working for 15 years on the history of the Rockefellers.

And it's fascinating because in short, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund in the fifties, they brought in Kissinger. They started the League of Nations earlier, which was the precursor to the United Nations. They effectively launched the WHO indirectly. They set up the Trilateral Commission. They set up many other think tanks and bodies across the world. They were the richest people in America.

And COVID actually comes from a long line of a long game to manage the West. So again, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's not depopulation. It's not, oh, they're going to depopulate the earth. It's none of that. Put simply, as my daughter said, they want an ant farm. And I think it's a great way to put it. They want to manage the West like China, and they've been 50 years working, and they're using the UN, WHO, the Club of Rome, and all the other commissions and NGOs in a big plan. And the World Economic Forum, I'll finish with this, they brought in Kissinger, and Kissinger brought in Klaus Schwab way back in the 60s and their Harvard kind of think tank. And Klaus Schwab was brought in and sent back to Europe to start the European Management Forum,

which in 1971 became the World Economic Forum. Could have been 80, actually. And in 2019, they joined with the UN and agreed a partnership, no media covered it to fund the UN's, you know, sustainable goals. But all of what I said, and so much more, all leads to the modern system of which COVID was just a part to get universal digital IDs, and to begin to control the West in a Chinese style fashion. Well, I do know that the Italian politician who was the first to lock down in the West, Lombardi, was explicit that he was doing it for that reason. He wasn't doing it to curtail COVID-19.

He was doing it explicitly to show the West that this style of government was so desirable. And for whatever reason, we all then followed suit as though it was the thus saith the Lord solution for COVID-19, which so clearly was not. Be that as it may, there's this very strange phenomenon going on right now. And I've noticed this lately, and it's what you're putting your finger on, is that there is, whether, I'm going to step aside and let Kelly dig in with you on some of your theories. Whether the theories are accurate or not, I have no opinion. But I certainly have

noticed that there seem, the world seems to be dividing into two camps. People that think government should leave people alone, freedom should be a priority, and people should be left alone to live their life, and maybe some reinforcers or something in place to guide behavior in good directions and whatnot, fine, versus people who want these incredible centralization of authority. So they, I don't know who they is even, or what would, I watched it in California, why they would enjoy this, to tell you how to live your life. Every aspect of it. Do you have any sense of what that is?

And have there been other historical moments like this? I have found myself reading a biography of Lenin, and there's a lot of similarities there. I wonder if there are other nudniks out there like he was and his always a gang of rogues. What's going on? Why am I so confused by this yeah dr drew well it's basically a form of totalitarianism ideological in this case it's driven by ultra wealthy elites who just get to create all the organizations i mentioned and you've got to hand it to them. Of course, as resources may become scarce in coming decades,

there may be disruption in the world and conflict. They want to manage it and they don't believe that they're evil. They really think it is our right and, in fact, it's our mission and vision to manage the world properly because the politicians can't do it. Ordinary politicians are only going for the next voting cycle. Who's going to do it? So again, for people to understand, it's not like big evil people. Now, of course, what they're doing will end up being incredibly evil because of tracing track. It always does. Losing all of our freedoms. Yeah.

But they don't see it like that because they they sit above that, and they will never be affected by it. And they think it's their job to do this. But Professor Matthias Desmet I interviewed a few times now, I think he explains very well how the people fall for it. Because a lot of people in COVID, like I'm sure yourself, it was stunning to see the majority fell for what was palpably nonsensical. I mean, no one was dying around you, effectively, empirical evidence of your own eyes.

The shop workers clearly were not getting sick and dying at any notable rate. And they're exposed 20 or eight hours a day indoors with no masks in April 2020, in the middle of a pandemic, and nothing happened to them. So we had all these obvious things, but people got a form of hypnotism from 24-hour propaganda on the media. So all of the media kept pumping out. And if the media pump out 24-7 a message, after a month or two, it's kind of been proven in psychology, after a month or two, people just adjust their frame of reference to accept it must be true because our whole society is saying it.

Therefore, it becomes a fact. And that's a fundamental mechanism that kind of worked for these guys. Wow. Yes, I know you're right. I hear Mark Cianchese, a cognitive psychologist, saying something very, very similar. And I have heard Desmet say it as well. And Mark talks about also how the population and its fear and distortions are what the leaders take advantage of. They don't necessarily cause it. They take advantage of it, which makes some sense to me. But that's why I was so disturbed at the beginning of this thing, how the media was just pumping the fear. There's no way fear and panic could make things better. By the way, we have Mark Cianchese coming in on August 31st. I'm going to finally get a chance to interview him alone. I had somebody else in here last time

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Every time I hear those words, I just think of today is no exception. Dr. Victory, welcome. Hi, I were so happy to have you here. Really been looking forward to this. And thank you, particularly given the time change. I know it's a late hour where you where you here. Really been looking forward to this and thank you, particularly given the time change. I know it's a late hour where you sit. So thank you for making time to do this. And I really do want to save time to get into the weeds on some of this stuff, everything from the root cause issues with chronic disease, and even into some thoughts about the vaccines, quote unquote,

and those sorts of things. But I want to stay at a high level for a second here. Drew said he doesn't have an opinion about some of this. I have an opinion about all of it. And suffice to say, there's very little daylight between where you and I stand on this, Ivor. I think we are in lockstep. I threw the bullshit flag very early on in the pandemic and said, this is insanity. What are you talking about? In fact, I remember the first time I saw little circles on the floor at a grocery store where you're supposed to do the stand for this six foot. I thought it was a joke.

I thought it was a joke. And then I realized they actually think you're going to stand on these little circles. Oh, my God. Anyway, I mean, so dumb. It's really an embarrassment that what we did to people and what people believed. But for me, and certainly this has been a bit of an existential crisis COVID has, because I have realized that although we all have been focused on COVID, the pandemic and what's happening to people and the lack of treatment and all of these silly mitigation schemes that were put into place, and the horrific damage that they did, it is clear now that that is just the tip of the iceberg.

And this is sort of the scab on what's really underneath what's been going on globally for a while. So I was aware certainly of the fact that much of the data on statins, for example, had been falsified, that information about the opiates. Now we know that there was a lot of corruption and fraud related to the opiate crisis. Go back from your perspective, your broader purview. When did you first, if it was before COVID, come to believe that there was something else going on, that this, whatever you want to call it, the Great Reset or the powers that you're talking about, whether it's the World Economic Forum or others, were looking to reset or regain or restructure societal control? Yeah, no, it's great to be here with you, Dr. Kelly and Dr. Drew. No, appreciate that. So basically, in March, my wife came to me, she's first class honors engineer as well. But she had seen all the stuff in COVID. I had seen it. And I said, it's another swine flu. That was my casual

assessment. I'd also seen the Diamond Princess data, the cruise ship, and it was clear the fatality rate would be around 0.2% and massively skewed to people in their 80s, mostly in nursing homes. So I didn't even think about it. But she was wondering, should we buy masks? And I said, why? I said, well, you know, the COVID thing, they're all talking about it. And I said, it's nonsense.

So I'm not being arrogant, but I just said it's nonsense from Diamond Princess and the early Chinese data showing a 10x risk for diabetes, age. It was clear as day it was going to be a severe flu. And I said to her, this will not touch you or I or our five children. And it will not touch my 79-year-old mother a half a mile down the road because I know her blood tests and she doesn't have any autoimmunity. She doesn't have any insulin resistance. She's going to be fine. And she was. So that was me. But then they did lockdowns. I was in Denver at a low carb conference and I was on stage. And next minute, Trump came out, was shutting down the country. I had to change my flight. And I said, what the hell is going on? And I was hoping, as I mentioned to Dr. Drew, that it was just stupidity with a lot of WHO and pharma corruption thrown in. But I did not expect

it to go totally mental. And to your question, it was a few weeks in and I was trying not to believe that it was a much bigger thing than stupidity and basic pharma corruption. I was trying so hard. I didn't want to go there, but then I began to get sent stuff and I was sent Common Pass. So Common Pass, a digital kind of vaccine passport, that company was set up, I later found out from Rockefeller Institute in mid 2019. And there was a huge spike in searches for common past back in mid 19. And they were centered around Switzerland and Geneva. That's what the Google searches showed.

And then it went quiet and it exploded in March, 2020. And I began to look and realize, Oh, this is kind of planned in some fashion. I don't know the details. And later, to go to a long story short, just to let you back in, Dr. Jakob Nordengård in Sweden has been 15 years researching the Rockefellers, and his talk for 45 minutes explains everything about COVID and everything else. And it starts in the 50s

with the Rockefeller Special Projects Group and Fund. And it just comes all the way through to their private club, the UN, the WHO, the Trilateral Commission. It's just all clearly. And you know, the last thing I'll say, Kelly, in the late 1950s, they identified with no scientists in the room,

four things that would help them get a new managed Western kind of world order of sorts. And two of the top things were pandemic fear and climate disaster fear. They had terrorism and banking crisis, and they used those on and off the last 20 years but pandemics and climate were the stars of the show and here we are yeah so prior to the to the pandemic when you were going through your own sort of personal journey of exploration about your own health issues and your cholesterol and insulin resistance and coming to the conclusion that the low carb, and we all fell for it, that low carb thing for, excuse me, the high, the low fat thing. I remember well sitting, you know, eating boxes of snack well, you know,

fat-free cookies and all of that craze. Remember there was an entire area of the grocery store in the United States dedicated to fat-free, high-sugar snacks. Did it occur to you then when you were looking at it that there was corruption, that the things that were driving all of this ill health was really driven in large part, if not entirely, by pharma and by the fact that, as I call it, we don't have a healthcare system in the United States. We have a disease care system. We are reasonably good at disease care. Healthcare doesn't pay. Did you have any insight into it when you were going down that portion of your exploration? Right. Well, actually, I'd been through that many years before in 2012, and I had my experience with

poor blood tests, and the doctors and the professor of medicine clearly didn't know much at all. And after a few weeks, I researched it, and I realized we've been gamed for many decades. Now, I do think it didn't start as a conspiracy. It started as kind of the corruption of Ancel Keys and this belief that cholesterol drove most heart attacks and that it was driven by eating saturated fats. That was kind of an ideology. But then, of course, the food industry realized they're asking us to replace meat, fish and eggs and real foods with ultra cheap vegetable oils, sugars and starches. What's not to like?

So I think then increasingly the 70s and 80s, it's like industry just like an enormous bloated tick began to feed on the system and form nutritional research to maintain the paradigm. So I don't think industry initiated this scam, but I think they identified this amazing opportunity, and here we are and Pharma also. Of course, they feed off the chronic disease. So the food industry and Pharma, two of the most powerful lobbying industries on our planet, they're almost symbiotic on this one because Pharma are making out like bandits.

Yeah. And I think you're hitting the nail on the head. So it's the industry has everything to gain and so does pharma from people being ill. And I'm going to throw in the third piece for the trifecta. The problem that I am now aware of and that Drew and I talk a lot about is that the capture of our quote, scientific journals by pharma. So where Drew was saying, when we teach residents, we say, well, show me the literature, show me the study. The problem is that that piece isn't pure anymore. We cannot rely on quote, the scientific studies. There are no scientific studies. They are all essentially the Lancet, BMJ, JAMA. Those journals are fundamentally the marketing arm for big pharma. And so we are in a real conundrum here with regard to how we make medical decisions. When you go and research things and look at things, have you found a way to tease out,

in your mind as an engineer or somebody who is the consummate scientist, how you can distill what is actually legitimate, verifiable data versus propaganda? Yeah. That's a great question, Kelly. And that's kind of what I did back in 2012, 13. Because I'm 30 years in complex problem solving, there's a lot of politics and corporate. And when you're at a senior level,

you know, politics come in. Certain countries and regions don't want to be blamed for a problem. So I was well used to dealing with bias and, you know, experiments that were biased to give a certain answer. But in 2012, 13, when I went into ResearchGate and PubMed, I realized what you said, because I'm so used to analyzing technical data and designing experiments, DOE and all that statistics.

I lectured engineers on statistics. I realized looking at the papers, hold on a minute, half the papers on fat and cholesterol, roughly, their actual data and the data in their supplemental tables, which was a real rich vein of information, their abstract doesn't match their actual data. And I was just stunned because when you went in and you got their actual Excel files, and their supplemental

data and looked, you found what their study actually said, but it wasn't reflected in the abstract. So I came across that back in 2012 13. I realized half of the scientific literature are just junk studies, junk papers, p hacked to get p values, you know, less than point zero five. And they're just completely riddled with corruption. I want to jump in, though. I don't disagree with you. But we have a conundrum. And it's and Kelly, you and I've been sort of pointing at this issue for a while. And the conundrum is that

in this country, you have 10 years to make your your investment back. Essentially, the clock starts running the second you pull the new molecule off the shelf. It takes about five years and $1.2 billion to bring a molecule to market, and God knows how many failures you have to go through. So let's say it's $2 or $3 billion to bring a single new medication to market. And you have five years to make that three or four to $3 billion back. That's a crazy B. I was talking to the head of the HHS, uh, in Washington a couple of years ago.

And I said, look, what are we doing here with, with our research protocols? Why aren't we bringing things to market more quickly? And why aren't we creating a more efficient way of doing phase three clinical trials? And he said, phase three trials are too expensive. And by the way, I work with an organization called the Prostate Cancer Foundation. We're doing novel research of bringing new ideas to life. We have to go to pharma when it comes time for the phase three trial because they are so expensive. And even with their deep pockets, we still can't find enough patients to do the studies you want to do. So how do we solve this conundrum where we kind of need them, but we're angry with them? Kelly, what do you think? Well, I will tell you, I think the problem

with pharma in my perspective is much of it has become a solution looking for a problem. They find a molecule they want to develop, and then they are hell bent on finding something to apply it to. Take remdesivir. Remdesivir, they spent a fortune developing it. It was an abject failure with Ebola. Okay. It failed. It was miserable. Now, I said, damn it, we've spent a lot of money on this. We got to find someplace to stick this pig. We got to get rid of this thing, so we'll stick it on, oh, I know, COVID. It wasn't any more successful for COVID than it was for Ebola. It killed people. Big pharma, rather than looking at all of the things,

rather than doing what Ivor said was, wow, here's a way to just say dietary change. The issue is that a dietary change that changed his health parameters 100% didn't make anybody any money. It saved his life. Yeah, but that's our profession's mistake for not, I agree with you, but it's our mistake for not advising him properly and supporting the propaganda. But you see how it's a conundrum, though? We need them, but we are mad at them, and we're making mistakes because we sort of buy into the cult a little bit. We get culty as doctors in what we do and opening our pads and just kind of doing things automatically. We had a big problem to solve here.

It's not all somebody's fault. We have to work at solving it, it seems to me. No, I agree. So I would go back to this whole, because I assume that this is an area that I know a lot about. It's near and dear to my heart, the issue of chronic illness. It certainly drives the bulk of our healthcare spend. I've said for 25 years, you cannot manage healthcare costs if you don't manage health. heart the issue of chronic illness it certainly drives the bulk of our health care spend i've

said for 25 years you cannot manage health care costs if you don't manage health uh costs are a result of the last three months of life expense that in in this country especially what we spent on the last three to six months of life which is totally insane and and only causes suffering like severe suffering right that's it for everybody. Agreed. So Ivor, so go back, other than your own personal journey with regard to high cholesterol or lipid issues and insulin resistance, have you looked at other, quote, chronic illnesses, which there are quite a few, and done the same thing with those, even though it wasn't your own personal issue? Have you looked into the root causes for other illnesses? Oh, yeah, for sure. The last 10 years, and I now run metabolicduo.com with Gabor Ordoşi, a biologist in Hungary, and we go through scientific papers. We both have a few thousand papers on our archives that we've gone through and we feature those every two

weeks. So I've been through a ton of it, but I'll give an example. There's a beautiful paper, Metabolic Syndrome is Broader Than You Think. And I think it's around seven or eight years ago. And it just talks about insulin resistance as a phenomenon. But what they did was really good. They took hundreds of papers and studies on metabolic syndrome, which is insulin resistance syndrome, which is hyperinsulinemic syndrome, cardiometabolic syndrome, loads of words. It's the same thing. So they went through hundreds of papers and they said,

how many of them measured insulin rather than just glucose and triglyceride HDL? And they found around 58 papers, I think, from memory that did measure insulin. And 95% of these studies linked insulin directly to the maladies. But the list of maladies was cardiac disease, Alzheimer's, neurodegenerative disease, a whole list of modern chronic diseases. And every one of them was 11 out of 12 linked insulin, another disease PCOS four out of five or five out of five, ultimately out of 58 95% insulin track directly. So insulin is not the one ring to rule them all. But it's such a huge Pareto problem that if everyone only lowered their insulin, you'd be way ahead

of everyone else and you'd be 90% there. Now there is autoimmunity. There's the toxicity of vegetable oils. There's omega-3, omega-6 ratio. America is up around, I think, 10 and Japan is around four and you should be down at four in the blood test, the omega-3 index. So there's many other things to watch out for. And of course, autoimmunity to plant world proteins, celiac is a classic,

but there are also many other plant world proteins for minorities that cause major issues and a SIBO small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, another driver of high liver enzymes. So there's lots of causes, but insulin resistance is so connected. It's the first one to fix. And then if you still have a problem, you move on to all the others and then it can get a little more tricky because you're into all the other lower level prevalence issues. But I mean, insulin resistance is the one, you just fix that first. You get your fasting insulin down three or four micro units. You know, you get your triglyceride over HDL in the proper range. And then you can go and look at one to control. It's far harder to control the amount of ozone in the air,

despite what they want you to think. It's far harder to control the particulate matter or the amount of sunshine that you get or whatever else, air quality. Food is the easiest for us to control. But so let's talk a little bit about what we have seen, certainly in this country, this massive increase in autism over the past several decades. It is really, for us here in the United States, we have an epidemic of it. And people are looking very hard at trying to find out what is it that is causing that. I think it's surely or likely something related in environmental, in the same reason we've seen a huge uptick in autoimmune diseases, kids with peanut allergies and asthma,

skin conditions, those sorts of things. Do you have a thought about whether or not these problems, and I assume you're seeing them in the UK as well, whether all of these autoimmune issues and perhaps autism are related simply to things that we are eating, or is it, many people in this country, there's a lot of talk about whether it's the frequency of vaccinations or vaccination schedules. Do you have thoughts about that particular issue? Yeah, this is one you have to be careful on. Obviously, I saw your warning on the screen. So I'll say first that I traditionally did not think about the mass medication that you

mentioned. I thought that that was maybe not so likely, and I had always assumed that they were safe and effective. You know, I don't know why. And I, I assume because we've got this enormous explosion on obesity, and in women, we have PCOS, which is insulin resistance driven overwhelmingly. And in fact, prostate enlargement, again, to do with the reproductive system, prostate is now being called the PCOS of the male, and again, insulin resistance. So then we have very obese mothers who are having children and feeding them juice and grains,

and they start off with high insulin from the mother. So I thought that this whole explosion of chronic disease over the last 60 years was possibly having neurological effects or reproductive effects and leading to this autism explosion. Now, since the last three years, I have a raised eyebrow. I revisiting the whole topic because the last three years showed us that the corruption is an order of magnitude greater than even I, steeped in knowledge of corruption for decades, realized. So we've been shown that in the last three years. So now I have to revisit and say, well, hold on a minute. What I thought was probably maybe misinformation. I'd better look again. So I won't stay here. I've got to be careful now with censorship. But let's just say I'm looking into it again.

And I think I can say a mainstream or publicly available book, Turtles All the Way Down. Now, there's one about music or something. You need to search carefully. I was stunned, to be quite honest. My whole life has been the scientific method, especially in complex problem solving with hundreds of millions at stake, sometimes corporate money. The control is crucial. I've lived my life by the control. So many times engineers pushed

an agenda on what they thought the cause was and avoided putting proper controls in to get data that would support their belief system. So control to me is everything. And when I read Turtles all the way down and found out that we effectively didn't have a control in the last 30 or 40 years of this technology, I was shocked. Because without a control, there is no science. That's it. That's not me being hyperbolic or hyperbole.

That is fundamental. No control, no science. Might as well go down and talk to the local guy in the bar and ask him what he thinks. And apparently, and they've referenced this to the Hilt, the control used in these products is so far back and so gray, it essentially doesn't really exist. And that just stuns me. It stuns me. So who knows? How can you possibly say it doesn't result in any things relating to autoimmunity,

like the one you mentioned or anything else? You've no control. You can't say. Now, that is exactly where when I said, you know, I am in an existential crisis, I really meant it. Prior to this, I have been referred to as a vaccine zealot. I was a very strong promoter of vaccines. I believe very strongly in them and wrote and spoke prolifically about that. I now have had to do a deep reanalysis myself, and I agree that particular book is a brilliant compilation of the actual data, and it is highly referenced, as you said, and it points out amongst many, many other flaws, the fact that there isn't a single study on any of the previous vaccines that used a true control group, without which, as you rightly point out, there is no science.

So I am doing, I have not said that, yes, these cause X, you know, vaccines cause Y. I'm simply saying that I am doing a very, very serious reanalysis and the data is sorely lacking. So I think we really need as the entire medical industry needs to redo this. In the UK, what is the atmosphere, the state of things in terms of vaccine requirements, for example, for children or to attend school? Yeah, I'm not sure the UK and Ireland, if you choose not to bother with them, largely you can currently get away with it. Huge peer pressure, letters sent to you. But legally, in Ireland, we have a very powerful constitution and fundamental rights of autonomy stop them mandating hardcore for schools.

So if you just want to get the old ones from 30 years ago that are relatively might be perceived as benign and not go for all the new ones, I think you can just do that. But in America, I believe there are 72 individual shops might be perceived as benign and not go for all the new ones. I think you can just do that. Um, but in America, I believe there are 72 individual shots across it's, it's gone from eight to 72 over the last 25 years, it that's insane Ireland and England, it's more voluntary and there's far fewer, but they're trying to add tongues more obviously, like, cause pharma has their hand in their butt.

And yeah, it's a problem. Now, just to your point about being, I was never pro-vaccine because I didn't even care about the topic. But in around 15 or 16, 2015 or 16, I was going to Shenzhen in China on business with my corporation, and they recommended I get a couple of vaccines. They were probably yellow fever. But just to tell you, Kerry or Kelly, I went down to the local doctor and I was chatting to them about chronic disease. And during our chat, she slapped in two of the vaccines. I didn't even ask her what they were.

I didn't even, that's just proof. I couldn't care less. But since March 2020, that's different now, because now I've been flagged to corruption orders of magnitude higher than even I was understanding. And when I look, and it's very telling. Here's one, Kelly, about statins. I've debated people on statin effectiveness many times. And I go by the published literature and the randomized control

trials from pharma. I look through their data. I pointed out how the effect size or benefit is actually kind of risable, very small, but I don't actually say they falsified the data because I don't know that. So I use their data to point out how they're kind of useless. Fine. But I can go out and find hundreds of papers with data on statins with controls. And I have for a decade. I was shocked. I think this is the central point. I cannot find controlled RCTs for this other class of drugs. And that is just stunning. I'm even shocked as I say it now. No, you are hitting the nail on the head. And in fact, you know, Robert Kennedy Jr. asked specifically and said, you know, if

anyone can produce for him a randomized control trial for a vaccine with a true placebo, you know, a true control, that please bring it to him. And it has not been produced. It does not exist. And I was shocked as well. One of the things I want to truly ask you about is the difference in it. We have very, very different healthcare systems between the United States and Ireland, the national health system.

You would think that in a system that is more what we call here a socialized system or a universal health system that you have, that the motivation what we call here a socialized system or a universal health system that you have, that the motivation really would be to keep people healthy because that's what pays. Where in the United States, there's a disincentive. Really, the incentive is to keep people sick. It feeds the beast. Hospitals don't make money if people aren't in them. There's a huge incentive for people to be hospitalized and to be sick and to be coming back to see you over and over again, to have repeated blood work and to be on lots of medications. That's quite different, or my perception of it is that it's quite different in the UK

or in Ireland. Do you see it that way? Do you see that part of the problem is the structure of the healthcare system itself that's causing perverse incentives? Yeah, I'd say the USA is extreme and it's utterly taken over. The revolving door between the FDA and Pfizer and Merck is just comical at this stage. So US is extreme.

I had a biceps tenodesis after a bike accident years ago, and it was around two and a half grand in Ireland, and it was 25,000 in the US. That's an example of the insanity in the US. However, the UK and Ireland now have been so taken over by pharma and the medical industry that the fact that it's socialized almost doesn't matter anymore.

Because I give an example in the UK, I have lots of friends who are NHS, UK system doctors, and they were telling me, and I looked it up and it's true, they've got new metrics in the last 10 years, where basically if they treat targets, blood test targets with drugs, they get paid more. And if they go with food, they don't get paid. So they're paid by prescription. So you can see there, the metrics now are largely doing what the USA is. Shower people with drugs, move the deck

chairs on the Titanic, you get paid a lot. Go and help them actually get better or dress through cause you're screwed. And in the NHS, the doctors don't get paid huge money like America. They get paid like a normal kind of corporate factory manager salary, but it's nothing amazing like in America. So they need the money and the money is driven by the metrics and the metrics are owned by the NICE organization in England who sets all these things and NICE is a bedfellow of big pharma. I mean it's clear as day. Yeah, well the pharmaceutical industry is huge in Ireland in particular no question. Many of them based there's that's a huge issue um interestingly here in the united states

uh the health insurers were paying incentivizing physicians per patient who got vaccinated for covet if you met certain metrics you know 60 of your population or 80 i mean hundreds of thousands of dollars of incentives per physician so you you take your average, you know, pediatrician or family practitioner who might be making, you know, $180,000, $200,000 a year, and you offer that, you know, 50% additional bonus to get your patients vaccinated. What do you think they're going to do? So, Drew, I'm watching the clock wind down here, and I want to make sure that I give you a chance to jump in here with Ivor.

So what else? Where have I not gone? So much. Thank you. Well, just so much of this is for me frustrating. I immediately my head wants to go into solution mode because it's just so overwhelming and disturbing, you know, that we're in this circumstance. And I just don't know the way out yet. I guess, you know, two things sort of I've been thinking about while you guys were talking.

One was how RFK Jr., both were thoughts related to RFK Jr., how he really helped us understand the capture of these companies. And that capture is international. I've seen John Campbell talking about that in England, and I'm aware that it is in the UK rather, but it is an international problem of the coziness of real, the coziness of government officials with big business. That is,

and Vivek Ramaswamy has been talking about it too, about unraveling some of that. The other thing, and this is, I'm not quite sure what to do with this, but RFK Jr. was talking about how this country was founded and fought and struggled during all sorts of pandemics, whether it was cholera or yellow fever or malaria.

This was the words that kept ringing in my head during the early days of COVID. My father, who was an old family practitioner from the early part of the 20th century, I could hear his voice going, wait a minute, they shut the world down for a respiratory virus? We had yellow fever and polio and smallpox, and a respiratory virus shut the, I don't know. You must, no, no, he would have died again. It would have been a second death or a third death. He would not have been able to survive it because of his outrage at this whole thing.

And one of the things you said, Ivor, early on, is how they've taken severity out of the equation for pandemic and how we respond to it. And if you take that out, well, what are we doing then? Then everything's an epidemic. Everything's a pandemic. Everything is fear. We should be afraid of life because it means we have to die one day. So here we go.

Let's just start with that. And I'm just, this whole thing, I'm just glad we're having these conversations. I'm hoping that just by having them will raise people's consciousness about these things. I'm wondering if Kelly, you want to take some calls. It's one of the reasons you called me in here. I'm going to reach under the table here and grab my phone. Does that sound like a reasonable thing?

Yeah, Ivor, it's late where you are. Do you have another 10 minutes? Oh, yeah. Go for it, guys. Special occasion. All right. So let me. Okay.

Just hope we get up on that quickly. All right. So those of you at your hand up that are in the Twitter space, as you put your hand up, I'll see you there and I'll bring you up to the podium where you'll be streaming on multiple platforms. I don't know if it's still YouTube as one of those platforms, but we will be on at least Rumble Twitter,

Twitch, Facebook, and other places as well. I usually get a off. But before you do that, Drew, you have to turn the volume down entirely on your phone or plug in that dongle to mute it. It is. I'm hearing feedback on your side for some reason. I know.

It has this little thing. Plug in the dongle. What's it? Yeah. Plug in the dongle. The dongle. I don't have it here. I don't have it here, Susan.

Yeah. I have it muted anyways. Why would I? Just plug it in. You mean unplug the phone and put the, or how about unplug the phone? It tricks it. Yeah. It's still making noise.

Put the dongle in it. I don't have it. I don't have it i don't have it give it for me i will i will have professional all right uh let's bring up bring up a question uh josh has a question for some of us here someone amongst us here at least hey dr drew hey josh hi so um ke Kelly mentioned something, and this has been talked about, oh, God. I remember 20 years ago, people talking about the connection between autism and vaccines. And for me, it just doesn't make immediate sense.

I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a psychologist. But I want to know what she thinks is the cause. Because otherwise, my mind just goes to, unfortunately, she was using the word propaganda. And I'd have to put the word back to her because it just it really is very strange. It's a very strange connection. I want to know what the root of that argument has been over the years. Yeah, thank you for the question. And I don't want to get too deep into it. But what I'll tell you, the theory is this, and what people said, and I refuted, by the way, I freely acknowledge that.

I was the one out there saying, well, that's insanity. There isn't a verified, you know, a shred of credible evidence that vaccines are related to autism. Here's why I'm rethinking it. I think it is, the argument is that it's actually the adjuvants, the other things that are in traditional vaccines, aluminum, for a long time, mercury, the preservatives. I have a hard time with that.

I have a hard time with that. I'm just telling you with the theory. I understand people are thinking that way. Okay. Go ahead. That there are very few, Go ahead. Other than lead, aluminum is one of the most neurotoxic substances known to man, and it crosses the blood-brain barrier. The reason it's added to many vaccines is because it helps the vaccine get into places

it wouldn't otherwise get. So start with that. Then on top of it, much of it came from the experience of mothers who said, my child was neurologically normal, totally normal, walking, talking, meeting milestones. And then within 12 to 24 hours after getting this shot, became profoundly ill and everything changed. They had what appeared to be an encephalitis, inflammation of the brain, and then it went forward. That has been the theory. I said, no way, no how. But when I went back to prove it to myself, as we get back to the conversation with Ivor, I went back to look at the studies. Surely, there are studies proving that these are safe and effective. I mean, I was giving them-

This is the problem. Okay, so surely, I went back simply to pat myself on the back and say, you're not crazy, Kelly. You were right. There isn't any credible evidence. Just go get the study. Until lo and behold,

I found that the study was crap. There wasn't a control group. So the conclusion that this thing was safe and effective and didn't have any side effects isn't there because rather than having a placebo group where somebody just got saline, for example, in the shot, the quote unquote control group was people who got another vaccine, a different vaccine, not the vaccine they were studying, not the mumps vaccine, but they were getting rubella or tetanus or a different vaccine. That's not a control. That's not a control group. Two things. And they didn't do this in COVID

either, which is it would have been so simple to just match controls who aren't vaccinated with anything, just randomly match them. That's fine. And then go forward and see who has. It's not a randomized control study with good controls, but it's a control, it's a way of doing a suboptimal kind of a control experiment. And we haven't even done that, which is just extraordinary. That's number one.

Number two, though, again, this is some of what I admire RFK Jr. for. He alerted us to this. He said there's more studies need to be done, but merely by asking for more studies and for sort of removing some of the excess protection that the pharmaceutical companies have gotten since the Reagan era, by just saying that, you are an anti-vaxxer. You're an anti-vaxxer for just asking for more studies. And that is very, very, very disturbing. Right. And then the last thing I'll say, just to wrap that particular question up, which was a good one, but for a whole show, then if you look interestingly at populations

that aren't vaccinated, for example, the Amish, if you look at populations that don't get any vaccines, the incidence of these things- But they do. They do get vaccines, apparently. Some do. Apparently, they do. Some do. But Drew, what I'm saying is if you look at a community that doesn't, and there are Mennonite communities that don't do it at all. There are areas in Sub-Saharan Africa that don't vaccinate at all. And you look at the incidence of autism, asthma, autoimmune illnesses, allergies, food allergies. We should be able to just go into Santa Monica and Brentwood here in Los Angeles because there's

the similar rate of vaccines in those parts of our city as Sub-Saharan Africa. It's actually true. I used to say that. I was very, very, very, very concerned about it. Now I'm thinking we should use them as a... Jolanta, I'm bringing you up here, another question. And Ivor, while she's coming up, maybe you have a comment to what Kelly was just saying. Yes, hello.

For me, I think it's really simple. As I mentioned, the control. Yes, hello. For me, I think it's really simple. As I mentioned, the control. Anyone who even hints or moves or biases in the slightest towards not wanting a control, I assume charlatan until proven otherwise. Just as a general rule, because the control is the center of science. It's a good rule. Now, if you've got a drug class

for decades that's given to a handful of people with serious disease and you avoid a control say um okay but if you have one that's given to hundreds of millions of people and it's exempt from liability and you have studiously avoided a control for decades since almost the early part of the explosion of that drug class and the industry, I assume there's a massive problem until proven otherwise. And as Kelly said, the problem is there is no proven otherwise because the associational data hints at a problem, but they've eliminated the control.

Now, who eliminates a control? I mean, they should be desperate to do control trials back 20 years ago when the Wakefield thing came up. They should have said, well, we're going to do a control trial with true placebo. We're going to pick three or four vaccines. I'm going to do large numbers and we're going to end this question forever. Did they do that? Could I ask a question?

No. Well, let me, before you do, Caleb, let me just say. It sounded like you told me no. Remember, no, no, I'm going to say no. But you got to remember the hypothesis, at least the sort of ethical cry has been, it's unethical to withhold a vaccine from a kid because this is such an important intervention it's so preventative so i but that's the but that has been the argument

for quite some time but caleb go ahead drew that that's literally just a second that was literally what i was about to ask is is what's the response to that because i i kind of went down this this journey here after uh uh robert f kennedy jr was on the Joe Rogan podcast, and I started digging and doing more research and understanding, I guess, just the basics of how vaccines, the vaccine science, how those work in particular. And going down that rabbit hole, I started seeing, well, what are the arguments for not doing these double-blind, placebo-controlled trials? And it was something about medical ethics, when if you need to do a trial, that's going to have a million kids on one side that receive it.

And a million kids on the other who don't then. To me, I understand the reason why they need to do those trials, but they're saying it's unethical. You could figure out a way. You could figure out a way to find a control group of kids that are already not being vaccinated, that you're not recommending no vaccine. They're already non-vaccinated and that and that's what that's

sort of what kelly's tilting at with some of the mennonites right joelanta unmute yourself well right i'm actually i'm curious to hear what so i'm sorry i'm curious to hear what kelly has to say to that that argument because that seems to be the big argument they push back is well we're not going to do these trials because that's unethical. No. Well, first of all, I would say exactly that that isn't an excuse. You cannot, particularly as Ivor said, when you're talking about something that is being given to millions of people and God forbid being mandated or required in order to do something as simple as attend school, then you are obligated to first do no harm. You cannot force it.

Okay. But then on top of it, we have been led to believe, and again, another part of this lie is that we've been led to believe that it was the vaccination programs that led to the decrease in incidence of things like polio. It is the vaccination program when in fact it does that's not the case right so you see i've already every time you see if i if i pull out a thread then like 10 other parts of the rug start unraveling around me whenever i look into each detail of that and that's why it's i'm just trying to understand well what are the rebuttals that are coming from this

side of well why are we not why were those tests not done but it makes sense why before something is mandated before my kid can go to school i would want to be absolutely 100 sure this has been tested no matter what it is if you're going to force it on us then you need to do these types of tests and figure it out you're the people making billions of dollars talking to pharma a couple things i've got a i've got a i've got a physician on the phone i've got a physician on the phone. I've got poor Ivor at midnight out there in Ireland. Go ahead, Kelly, if you want to finish up. No, I want Ivor to jump in here. Go ahead. Let's get Jolanta in here first.

Okay, go ahead. Oh, yeah. I've lost control of my show. So Dr. Martin Kendrick told me something I didn't know, which doesn't happen too often because I've been so of my show. So Dr. Marvin Kendrick told me something I didn't know, which doesn't happen too often because I've been so long in this. Anti-hypertensive meds, for decades, they've done many different types. And they've never shown a life extension. They've moved the blood pressure down.

They've shown other subjective measures improving, yada, yada, yada. And in 2001, the European Heart Journal, which is a big pharma kind of magazine, they admitted in a summary of the history of antihypertensives, they made that statement. There has never been a life extension demonstrated with antihypertensives against placebo. They put it in print. He read it out twice. A year or two after that, they decided from now on, there won't be antihypertensive placebo trials. They'll be tested against another antihypertensive for ethical reasons. So this ethical thing, come on, the antihypertensive, they did the same with chemo and cancer treatment 30 years ago based on the trial that I read.

And I said, are you serious? I mean, the chemo trial did impact the cancer growth rate. But by four months, there was no mortality benefit because, you know, the body was impacted. And then the people deteriorated kind of faster, slower at first, then faster. At the end, there was no result. That trial was used to say it was unethical to use placebo from now on. I mean, I'm an engineer of a corporate guy. Go on, go on.

Yeah, no, I agree. You got to remember, some of the things we do pushes back by attacking these illnesses where we are not showing benefit, if a patient is properly informed, we ultimately do get enough experience with these things that we can extend life. That has certainly been my experience. I mean, again, you could have the same argument with AZT. I was there, we started using AZT. Yeah, it only gave us a couple extra months, but those couple extra months and what only gave us a couple extra months, but those couple extra months and what caused it was not a great medicine, but those couple extra months

gave us time. We learned not only how to push HIV back and just suppress it further. We learned how to treat pneumocystis. We learned how to treat Kaposi's. We learned how to deal with CMV retinitis. We had no idea what to do with those things when it was all starting out so there's it's a complicated issue and also with with hypertension yeah i mean lowering the blood pressure may have other risks associated with it and you know dying of other causes maybe or may not related to the hypertension you're ultimately yes you should have some some mortality data also jolanta go ahead thank you Thank you very much for letting me say anything on this space. I was just listening to most of your recent talks with

different people and I'm just thinking, can you just mention that one of the adjuvants in these vaccines is aluminium, which is highly toxic and neurotoxic i'm a doctor i have this yeah you you might not you might not have heard but dr kelly did a whole disquisition on that about 10 minutes ago well you were trying to get on actually so yes no that's okay but But my other thought, you know, during all this COVID pseudo God knows what, I am an anesthetist.

I have been working here in Oxford since 96. I retired last year because I, you know, I just couldn't put up with all this bogs that were going on. We died early. And when Boris asked us to, by 1st of April 2022, to all health workers get vaccinated, I said, well, thank you very much. I'm just done with it. Anyway,

what I was thinking about, there's another point that we know that we have been poisoned for many, many decades now. And during this COVID debacle, I have started to think aluminum being neurotoxic and we are using it as a kitchen foil. As I say it again, as a kitchen foil. Right? As a, say it again, as a what? This is aluminum foil. Yeah, that's what I'm using.

Not only that, I drink sugar-free soft drinks out of aluminum cans. I think about that all the time. I had a patient once, but let me tell you two reactions I had. One, I had a patient who was drinking two cases of Diet Coke a day. She had a patient once, but let me tell you, two reactions I had. One, I had a patient who was drinking two cases of Diet Coke a day. She had a psychiatric problem, and her aluminum levels did go up,

and we gave her phosphate binding for aluminum levels. And if you remember back in the day, if you've been practicing medicine long enough, back in dialysis, early days of dialysis, you ever heard of the Denver Dialysis Syndrome? That was aluminum intoxication. The levels were so high they got intoxicated. No increased incidence of neurological problems. You just gave them the phosphate binders and it came down.

And so, you know, I don't know. I don't know what to make of this. Well, I guess the only point I would make with regard to, again, environmental exposure to aluminum, one concern I had very early on was the change that many people made to aluminum cooking pans, for example, as a brand, Calphalon, but there are many that when I was growing up, it's in deodorants too. But aluminum. So I don't know, just because it doesn't affect you as an adult, what does it do to the neurologic development of a child? I mean, autism generally doesn't, you know, come on in your thirties and

forties, you know, autism is something that happens during childhood. So, you know, if, if you are using, you know, whether it's aluminum foil or aluminum cooking pans, I don't know. It's what I'm saying. I'm not here to say that vaccines cause autism. We know the answer. I'm simply saying that my eyes have been opened that the science, quote unquote, as I understood it- Is inadequate. Is inadequate. It is impure.

And I happen to agree with Ivor that I don't think it was simply an oversight. I smell a rat because I think this has been brought to their attention. They could have solved this problem. They could easily have done something about it if they haven't. Ivor, I don't know if you're resetting or if you've finally gotten too frustrated with us. He fell asleep. Yeah, it is. Let's see. What time is this? Nine hours later in Ireland, so it's almost 1130. I wanted to thank him for his generosity with his time. So hopefully he will come back and we can let him go.

Thank you to everybody on Rumble who's donating money. I just want to thank you. That is Dropkick Mickey. What I think is really awesome about Ivor, and I actually would love to go back and spend some more time talking with him. I think he's got a great handle on the historical basis for this and understanding. I think it's really too simple to say, as many of us have, that this is big pharma and the WHO. It's more than that.

It's the connection, as he said, with rockefellers with the bundaberg uh with with uh you know the world economic forum it's a much more but i like the way he framed it as people who thought they were doing good because politicians couldn't be trusted to serve the interests of the of the public and i thought boy that's an interesting and viable way of looking at all this caleb is he gone and that's that because i had a i'm trying to get him back he's not uh there was a question on on rumble with so many culturally diverse nations in the eu has the covet experience strengthened or weakened the eu overall i i that is uh was for him yeah iv was for Ivor. What do you think?

You've been over there a couple times, Susan. I think it has fragmented things a bit. I think it has. I don't know. I didn't see a bunch of people walking around with masks on. No, but the European Union. In other words, I remember five years ago there was tremendous acrimony around the Greek debt and this kind of stuff that seemed to kind of go away. And yet, I don't know that it's actually strength of the union.

I thought everything looked fine. Okay. Everybody was like, thank God it's over. Well. That was sort of the attitude. I'm sort of treading water here to see if Ivor comes back. And there were a lot of businesses that were rebuilding. I mean, there's a lot of sadness about the loss of the businesses.

You think it's gone? I businesses that we're rebuilding. There's a lot of sadness about the loss of the businesses. You think it's gone? I suspect that. Yeah, I think it's laid. And I think, yeah, I think it was tough. You know, we were running into each other. He's coming back. There he is. Oh, he's coming back.

He's coming back. I'm in. Don't take it personally. We're a trooper. Listen, we are a trooper. I know it's 1130 there. We want to thank you for having been so generous with your time. We're going to let you go. We've been abusive with your time, actually, but it's been a very interesting conversation. And Kelly was just saying, I'll let you say it to him, that you wanted to hear more even of some of the material we were going over. Yeah. I really appreciate your insights, Ivor, with regard to the historical background for this. This way predated, I think we can all acknowledge now, the pandemic and the involvement of, as you said, not just the WHO and the big pharma,

but also the World Economic Forum, people like George Soros and the Rockefellers and Bundabergs, whatever else. I think that that historical component, I think, is critical for people to understand and that it wasn't necessarily nefarious, that it was perhaps people who, for whatever reason, are paternalistic and believe that they just know better than the rest of us. But I think that that piece of it is something I'd like to talk with you more about. Maybe, you know, not just focusing on the on the big pharma component, but really on these bigger, really bigger forces and perhaps more critical forces to driving this reset. Yeah, absolutely, Kelly, and that's the skeleton key for me. And that's why I promoted

Dr. Jakob Nordengard's work so much. And it basically, once someone watches that and realizes, and it's all from the published Rockefeller archives and newspapers, there isn't a single shred of misinformation in there. It'll still get banned, though, maybe on YouTube, because it's very damaging to what's been going on and the people driving it. Once you understand the history and realize all of this was whiteboarded, pandemics and climate disaster in the 50s with no scientists present, and you see the full documented history, once you see that, you can't unsee it and you'll never fall for media nonsense again it's over do you have it can what is the link

can you make sure that we have a link to that just caleb let's make sure we have the information so that folks can look this up yes send it to me and I will post it up on the website. In fact, people, if you're listening to the podcast, they can go and find that at drdrew.com slash 8162023. So it's drdrew.com slash 8162023. And one quick last thing. We had a question. Go ahead, finish your thought. Oh, yeah, because it was so important. Actually, I put a download link to e-transfer. So I'll send you the video streaming, but also the download link, because I think this should be downloaded by people. It's around a gigabyte. No big deal. It should be downloaded by people and kept. It's gold, pure gold.

Right. Right. And one last quick question one of our users brought to us was, do you see the EU as strengthened or weakened by the experience of COVID? Any sense of that? Oh, the EU has gone down the toilet, I'm afraid, because the EU and the European Commission, and people don't understand this,

the European Commission runs Europe. It's unelected. The European Parliament is only a talking shop. They can't create laws. That comes from the EU Commission. The EU Commission is unelected the european parliament is only a talking shop they can't create laws that comes from the eu commission the eu commission is unelected and i interviewed professor richard verner recently who created the quantitative easing concepts in 95 he's a professor of finance amazing guy but he explained that the stalinist system the same. They had a parliament, but it couldn't make laws.

And the party basically decided. It's a direct analogy with the European Commission, the European Parliament. So we've kind of let Europe go into a kind of a communist type system. And COVID, things have just gone absolutely nuts. I mean, Europe lockdown, Europe, just one last thing I'll say. And this was my darkest day in COVID in three years easily. I actually nearly gave up because in the middle of the summer, when the hospitals were empty, the ICUs were empty of COVID.

There was nothing going on and they knew it. What did they do when nothing was going on with covet they brought in mandatory masks all across europe with prison sentences and fines they didn't bring them in and say hey guys i think you should wear them for no reason because the summer and nothing's going on they didn't say that they brought them in with an iron fist and then i knew if people follow this we are in serious trouble in europe and people people bought it so yeah europe europe has massive problems and the european commission is now going after twitter they're trying to bring in laws that social media will have to block websites so germany is doing that at the moment, I think, in France.

They want the government to tell service providers what websites are, in their mind, misinformation, way beyond medical. And they want to try and get in right at the heart of the code to block websites. That's totalitarianism, by definition.

The government decides. Yeah yeah look we we have that we have that on youtube have that on youtube and rumble is out of france for having that uh mandate so it's it's because they tried to tell them to not use certain uh information on all right let's uh end here uh we'll let ivor go to, but hope we'll have you back again soon. Yes, we do. Susan's singing about Rumble in the meantime, and I just was not communicating with Dave Rubin and thanking him for Rumble.

And I thank Ivor for the interesting conversation today. And we will look for your podcast. Tell people where they can find you, Ivor, and then we'll wrap this up. Well, currently you can still search Ivor Cummins, not too common a name and you'll quickly hit my YouTube and my Twitter, of course, so Twitter, YouTube are my big ones. I got Facebook as well, fat emperor and LinkedIn, but Twitter and YouTube

are probably the big ones. And I have, uh, of course, Odyssey rumble. I automatically all YouTube videos automatically load to rumble uh bit shoot and a odyssey uh for obvious reasons you want to have redundancy and we want to thank our friends this is uh this is our 250 000 uh follower paperweight or whatever it is it's like a it's like a we should send it to kelly to put on our shelf yeah fine and it's exactly the reason we're on rumble and put the word out we'd love to see 500 000 that one when that one should arrive would be amazing uh okay guys say your last thoughts there kelly and then we'll wrap it up i was just going to ask i've already remind us also you have your website for your lifestyle and die the one you're doing the uh dietary issue

of it um that website yeah it's myself and gabriel doshi at the adipocyte warrior the lower insulin expert and it's metabolic duo.com so metabolic duo.com all one word, D U O.com. All one word, no hyphens. We do a subscription. Okay. Terrific. Thank you. And thanks again for joining us.

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Yes. Yeah, Tom, this is the show with Tom Renz. And we've had him on. He's a good friend of the show. He's been doing pivotal work in terms of exposing things with regard to how the pandemic came down and that it was really quite premeditated. Tomorrow, the goal is to show what I call the timeline. He is going to lay out the evidence that, you know, people have sort of danced around it, that this stuff was whiteboarded beforehand. But Tom Renz is going to lay out all the evidence of what they knew when they knew it, meaning the CDC, the FDA, the federal government, DOD, when they knew it with regard to this pandemic.

And I think it's going to be an eye opener. And then, as you said, Ed Dowd, another good friend of the show, is going to stop by and talk about what's going on in Hawaii, his take on these. Yeah, which is where he lives. And I think that's going to be a great insight as well. So huge, huge day tomorrow. Big day tomorrow. We'll see you tomorrow at three o'clock Pacific time for that show.

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