Ask Dr. Drew - James Corbett on Gell-Mann Amnesia: Why We Trust Dishonest Media Even When They’re Constantly Wrong w/ Jordan Schachtel – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 309

Episode Date: January 13, 2024

Why do we continue to trust the media even after they’ve been proven wrong so frequently? Michael Crichton called it “Gell-Mann Amnesia.” “In short: when we actually possess expertise in the subject under examination, we almost invariably find media representations of that subject are lacking at best and outright lies at worst,” summarizes James Corbett. “But, for some reason, once we turn the page or flip the channel, we go right back to believing that the other journalists and authors out there actually know what they’re talking about.” 「 SPONSORED BY 」• CBDISTILLERY – Targeted CBD formulations made from the highest quality CLEAN ingredients. No fluff, no fillers – just pure, effective CBD solutions. Use code DREW for 20% off at https://CBDistillery.com James Corbett is an award-winning investigative journalist who founded The Corbett Report in 2007 as an outlet for news and information from an independent perspective. He has lectured on geopolitics and journalism at the University of Groningen, the French Institute for research in Computer Science and Automation, and Kyoto’s Ritsumeikan University. Find him online at https://corbettreport.com Jordan Schachtel is an independent investigative journalist and publisher of The Dossier on Substack at https://dossier.substack.com. Follow him at https://twitter.com/jordanschachtel 「 SPONSORED BY 」 Find out more about the companies that make this show possible and get special discounts on amazing products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • PROVIA - Dreading premature hair thinning or hair loss? Provia uses a safe, natural ingredient (Procapil) to effectively target the three main causes of premature hair thinning and hair loss. Susan loves it! Get an extra discount at https://proviahair.com/drew • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • GENUCEL - Using a proprietary base formulated by a pharmacist, Genucel has created skincare that can dramatically improve the appearance of facial redness and under-eye puffiness. Get an extra discount with promo code DREW at https://genucel.com/drew • COZY EARTH - Susan and Drew love Cozy Earth's sheets & clothing made with super-soft viscose from bamboo! Use code DREW for a huge discount at https://drdrew.com/cozy • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your personal physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. 「 ABOUT DR. DREW 」 Dr. Drew is a board-certified physician with over 35 years of national radio, NYT bestselling books, and countless TV shows bearing his name. He's known for Celebrity Rehab (VH1), Teen Mom OG (MTV), The Masked Singer (FOX), multiple hit podcasts, and the iconic Loveline radio show. Dr. Drew Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine. Read more at https://drdrew.com/about Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

uh for those of you that were watching the little uh intro i think that was on rumble uh shout out to salty cracker thank you for the uh this is the re cup uh there we go check it out uh so uh it was fun talking to him today will be no exception james corbett joins me uh and then jordan shaktel uh james corbett is an award-winning investigative journalist. He founded the Corbett Report in 2007, a news and information outlet from an independent perspective, which these days is highly valued and welcomed. He has lectured on geopolitics and journalism in institutes throughout the world.

I'm looking at here, I don't know how you can pronounce some of these institutions. And we'll get into that with James, including a deep dive on Gell-Mann amnesia. If you've never heard of that, we have a tendency to believe the media and that is a terrible mistake. And when Jordan comes in in about 45 minutes or so,

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So stay with us. And our crack producer that books these great guests, Emily Varsh, just notified us that Rumble apparently is in the crosshairs of the regulators. Of course. Could it be otherwise? All right. Let's welcome our guests. We're going to talk about Gelman Amnesiaia james corbett award-winning investigative journalist the corbett reports you are bett report.com as we can get his materials uh um james welcome to the program

he's actually calling us or visiting us from japan which we really appreciate the effort so it is roughly 8 a.m. Japan time. I appreciate you having me on. Thanks for having me. So first tell me, before we get into the specific topic, how did you get into this role of independent journalist? And did you ever imagine that that function would have such tremendous value in a world where people cannot find reliable sources on anything uh to answer the question succinctly no i never in my mind

wildest imagination um thought that i would ever end up here doing this talking to you on a platform like this it's so bizarre to me. But I guess we're all a product of the age that we grow up in, and I'm no exception of that. So my story really starts around 2006, where I was an English major. I got my bachelor's degree in English, and then I jetted off to Ireland for a year to get my master's degree in Anglo-Irish literature. What do you do with a degree like that? Well, I always said, I'm going to frame it because I couldn't think of anything better to do with it. Other than that,

what are you going to do? Are you going to be a journalist or a teacher? Because that was generally what people assumed I was going to be. You could read Sir Gawain. You could read Sir Gawain in The Green Knight and Beowulf in The Gaelic Tongue, which I have tremendous, tremendous demand for. Actually, I never quite got into that.

I was more of a Joycean myself. But at any rate, yeah, so I ended up in Japan just basically killing a year, seeing another part of the world and earning enough money to pay off my student loan debt. And lo and behold, I stumbled down the internet rabbit hole, which was coming around at that time, specifically these Incredible new platforms like YouTube you remember 2006 time person of the year you and me and everyone else You are the person of the year because of YouTube and oh wow this new this new media platform is coming along and it's gonna Completely up in the world and And I kind of scoffed. I rolled my eyes a little bit.

But actually, I started down the internet rabbit hole myself, finding all sorts of information that, hey, I never learned that in my history books. But I can go to the National Security Archives and I can actually look at the actual document of Operation Northwood. What? The U.S. government was the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to commit terror attacks in the United States, potentially killing Americans in order to justify war in Cuba? That's crazy conspiracy hog. Oh, there's the actual document from Lyman

Lemnitzer himself addressed to Robert McNamara, and I can go read it for myself. So in that experience, I suddenly found everything was topsy turvy up was down and what what is going on. And just it being 2006. At that time, I thought, well, I got to do something. So I thought, okay, it's the internet age, I'm going to start a website and a website became a podcast and podcast became videos and videos became articles and articles became interviews. And suddenly, I'm a media personality

of sorts at any rate i've been doing this what 16 17 years now and uh yeah i never ever would have imagined we have a lot of you have a lot of fans we were getting a lot of traction on social media with people talking about the quality of the work you do which i think is a that's a that's a great testimony to what you're doing so i that my next question is something I've been trying to understand. I mean, it's easy descriptively to understand what is happening, but I sort of need some sort of, I'm not emotionally satisfied with these descriptive historical observations about what happened to journalism.

What happened to journalists? Do they not, are they deluded? did they not understand what's happening to them or do they are they so uh overcome with a new calling that they abandoned all the previous or there's is there a consensus of ethics that is something anathema to anything I understood about journalism? What happened? There's a lot of ways sort of upper, if not upper class, at least certainly well-to-do young people are going through these sort of journalism graduate schools and programs and what have you in order to become journalists now, which was not a thing,

say, half a century, a century ago, when it tended to be more of a working class profession with working class sensibilities, I think. And the closer you get to establishment regime politics, the more you're going to play along with them and play into them and not want to rock the boat fundamentally. So the fundamental idea of journalism as truth to power, I think, has been subverted simply by the mollification of the journalist class essentially and uh picking people from higher economic strata i think in order to do this this job in it in and of itself but that that actually speaks to the bigger question of the big broad sweep of history and the technologies that enable journalism and the types of social relations that they bring about if people really want to deep dive into that, I did a documentary a couple of years ago called The Media Matrix, where I looked at the development of mass media from the time

of Gutenberg up until the present and into the future with the metaverse and what have you. And I think we have to understand the media paradigm as people think of it today, although it is definitely shifting, but we still tend to think of it from that dinosaur media paradigm as people think of it today, although it is definitely shifting, but we still tend to think of it from that dinosaur media paradigm of the 20th century, which came about specifically because you had all of these incredibly capital-intensive technologies for getting information out. Printing presses became well beyond the means of the average person. You had to be either a media baron who inherited millions and billions from your parents, like a Hearst or who have you, or you had to be a conglomerate. And then once you

had radio stations and then television stations and satellite networks, there's no way an individual could possibly start up their own mom and pop media outlet. So it became this industry and the industrialization of the media itself obviously reflects on the types of journalism that would be done within that system and I think speaks to that professionalization of the journalist class. So there's a lot of reasons that I think we've seen this change go on, but fundamentally, what has happened in the last 20 years has been truly a revolution and i think a revolution on the scale of the gutenberg revolution which utterly changed the course of human history we are living through that right now and not enough people really appreciate that

wow you know i've always i've been saying for quite some time i think about the film industry and it i think of it just as a technology that came around, and several people learned to master the technology, and then giant businesses were framed around it. And it required an entire movie studio to do what I'm holding in my hand. I have an iPhone in my hand. And I have the power of a complete movie studio in my hand. And that has got to make a difference. And so that, and I wrote a book called The Mirror Effect. And one of the things we chronicled in that book was some of the dismantling of the editorial, it's not even the right word anymore, of the news delivery,

I guess we'd say, or acquisition and delivery throughout the world that these television stations and newspapers had offices all over the place. And as it became more cheap to just report celebrity news, they started just reporting celebrity news. And they got better ratings. They got, oh, there's the book. They got better ratings. They got more traction.

And that was the end of sort of on the spot real news. But to be fair, I mean, there's so much going on with citizen journalists right now anyway that you can sort of get your, and who knows, you know, you get a lot of information without needing an office or a, what do they call it? You call it an outlet for a news agency in another city or another country. Oh, shoot. What's the word I'm looking for, guys?

Foreign correspondent satellite? I know what you mean. But the, no, the office. Oh, shoot. What's the word I'm looking for, guys? Correspondent satellite? I know what you mean. No, the office. I can't even think of the name because they don't have them anymore. What are you talking about? Bureau. A bureau out in another city.

Sorry, I was on rumble. I got you. So let's get into this specific topic at hand, which is Gelman amnesia. I'll let you describe what it is. I not only, let me just also add my sort of frame on it a little bit, which is not only do you read about topics you understand and know and realize how poorly they are reported, nothing is more astonishing than when somebody uh prints or tells some some reports something about you yourself because it's never close to reality so tell everyone about gelman

amnesia all right so this term comes from michael cridin yes jur Jurassic Park ER, Michael Crichton, who was delivering a speech back in 2002 in California at a leadership forum. And he coined this term and he explained it as saying, okay, look, it works like this. You open the newspaper to an article about a subject you know well, and it could be about, if you're a physicist, it's about physics. In Michael Crichton's case, it's about show business. You read the article and you see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often the article is so wrong, it actually presents the story backwards, reversing cause and effect.

I call these the wet streets cause rain stories, papers full of them. In any case, read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then you turn the page to national or international affairs and read with renewed interest as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about far-off Palestine than it was about the story you just read. You turn the page and you forget what you know. That is the Gell-Mann amnesia effect as defined by Michael Crichton. And as you say, I think we can all understand that to some extent. Now, you being a media personality, me being a sort of media personality,

we have had people write stories about us, and I certainly don't recognize the person that these stories are written about. That's that's not me. That's totally you've got everything wrong. That's right. But for the average person out there, I think everyone has experienced this. Whatever it is that you're into, whether you're in a particular profession or industry, or whether you're just a really big fan of something and you know more about it than the average person, when you read about, read some string reporter who just got assigned this as some sort of you know okay the editor is giving him this project and he'll write his

thousand words and whatever move on to the next thing they're not going to get things accurate as accurately as you would be able to with all of your knowledge and you see that you understand that and you can understand that if you're being empathetic to that journalist at that point. Because, yeah, I mean, it's just some string reporter. You just got to assign this. He's not an expert in this. But exactly as Crichton points out, we forget when we're reading about something we don't know about. We assume that the person writing about it is an expert in it.

That is a bad assumption because, well, anytime you look into it, it turns out not to be the case, right? Well, in terms of being empathic about it, they have become evangelical and aggressive. So, if you question what they're saying, they will attack and try to destroy. And that is what is disgusting in the present moment that is absolutely unacceptable it needs to be stopped with aggressive firm hand somehow and uh this this can't go on it just cannot go on uh so that's exactly right it's one thing it's one thing for this to be about Star Wars or something you're a big Star Wars fan and someone writes some article and now they got it all wrong. Okay, that's one thing. But when we're talking about true, world-changing, life-changing, incredibly important subjects

that go to the heart of who we are as a society and what is happening in the world, and then we get gaslit by the same people who are telling us outright demonstrable lies that, no, you're crazy, you're weird, and you can't, why do you believe these things? That truly is galling. And I have to admit, my empathy does run out at a certain point when suddenly I'm being demonized for knowing more than the person who's writing about whatever subject they're writing about. I've stepped through kind of an interesting

relationship with the press and media, and I'm wondering if it's being echoed in other folks. So I slowly, I canceled the LA Times when they became like absurd and wrote some terrible lies about myself. So I was like, okay, that's done. I always loved reading the New York Times every morning. And then I saw them start to go south and I reluctantly had to stop New York Times. Then I literally stopped watching the news because it was so full of inaccuracies and excesses. So I've gone from a sort of avid consumer

to somebody who used news, or at least journalism as a thought mechanism to try to understand things and think about things. And I've, in a stepwise fashion, abandoned all of it. Now, essentially everything comes from you, social media, independent sources. It's just you cannot trust what is out there. And it's creating parallel economies because people are tired of being sold goods by companies that seem to hate them or disdain them.

How do we understand this in the context of this historical sweep that you've been talking about, this being the Gutenberg Bible moment? Are we going to come up with solutions? Is this going to result in social discord as it did with the Gutenberg Bible? How are we going to do it? I mean, that's really the question, isn't it? For people who don't really understand the significance of Gutenberg, we still really can't appreciate just how fundamentally that changed the course of Gutenberg. I mean, we still really can't appreciate just how fundamentally that changed the course of human history and how much changed as a result of it. I mean,

the Reformation probably would not have been possible without the printing press and then all of the political upheaval that came as a result of that. And so, what we saw over the course of the preceding centuries was various attempts by various kings and tyrants and what have you to try to crack down on the printing press. Because obviously this is a huge upheaval and upheaval is not good. If you are the tyrant or the dictator or the king, you want things to be at the status quo. So this technology is changing things. We have to clamp down on it. So that was what we saw, the ham-handed attempts to try to essentially censor the press by fiat. For example, in England, you had various laws that came in in the 17th century that you had to be licensed to run a printing press, etc., etc.

So there were various ways that they tried to clamp down on it, but that didn't quite work. And obviously, I think, for example, in the American Revolution, it was the pamphleteers who truly changed the course of the American Revolution and got people to understand that they were going through a revolutionary moment. No, this isn't some civil war within the British Empire. We are in a revolution. And it was Thomas Paine and common sense completely, utterly changed the American mindset. And who, just some guy with just access to a printing press. So you can put the cork on the bottle, but it's going to come off again. But I think the 20th century, the consolidation of the journalism enterprise into this industry, this multi-billion dollar industry by these mega corporate institutions. That was an even more effective way, essentially, of not controlling the press in the sense

that you need a license in order to print something, but simply making it out of the reach of the average person so you have these editorial gatekeepers. And what we have seen over the past 20 years is that quirk coming off because suddenly average people, people like me sitting in my room in Japan can suddenly start this podcast that's being heard by ultimately millions of people around the world. What on earth is going on? And that is the revolutionary side of this because what we saw 500 plus years ago with Gutenberg and the complete revolutionary change in society that took place, we are starting to see what that

could look like in the current era. That's not necessarily always an unfettered good for everyone all the time and yay happiness and Shangri-La, but at any rate, it does get us closer to actual communication and actual spreading of knowledge and ideas and actual discussion, which is anathema to the status quo. So we're starting to see the same types of things the kings of old did to try to clamp down on the printing press. We're starting to see the establishment rallying around clamping down on the internet. And so now we get, no, things aren't true or false. Now we have misinformation and disinformation and malinformation.

And what is mal information? It is true information that is upsetting to the status quo, essentially, that makes the establishment unhappy. And you have the actual Department of Homeland Security in the United States warning about mal information as terrorism. This is serious stuff. And I think the average person out there probably isn't taking it nearly as seriously as the people in positions of power are right now. And that's why we're hearing so much about this misinformation, disinformation we have to crack down, because they understand just how revolutionary a moment this can be. And you point to the fundamental question of trust. Yes, no doubt. I have seen it certainly in the work that I do, and even amongst the sort of the average

general Joe out there in the public, I think the loss of trust in the media is palpable. Most people now tend to distrust a lot of the establishment media outlets that they used to turn to. But I would hope that we don't simply fall into some sort of new trap of, okay, well, now who do I blindly put my trust in? I think the real point of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect is that we have to consciously remember that, oh yeah, whoever's writing this may not be an expert in what they're writing.

Maybe they are an expert. Maybe they're not. I have to verify that information that I choose to take on board. And I think that it's uncomfortable because that puts the onus back on us. Oh my God, it's work. I have to actually look things up. I have to actually sort things out for myself. But if we don't get ourselves in that mindset, we will never really break through the paradigm

that's been established over the past century. So I have three kind of interesting reactions to that. What you just said, one is that it kind of reminds me of how patients should behave properly in the setting of navigating the medical system. They need to be informed, they need to be motivated, they need to be aware, and they need to have a trusted guide, an ombudsman that should be their primary caretaker, or it can be a lot of different things. But you need a person that you can trust, not that you follow them blindly, but they help you make sense of the buzzing, blooming mess that's out there. Number two, it's interesting to me that COVID was an example of the status quo, as you say, the people in power, the elite behaving like the kings of yore, really clamping down and destroying people, bringing out the guillotines, everything. The playbook is all there. It just has a more modern sort of application. It's just so, I mean, really,

that's very helpful to me actually to think about it that way because it's the same old thing. And I would argue back then you had an obligation not to cave to that. You also had an obligation not to, I would say, if history is any teacher,

to feed into the guillotines. Don't bring out the guillotines because everybody goes up eventually. It doesn't sort anything out. As we see now, we have guillotines now related to plagiarism. We had guillotines related

to having an opinion about COVID. Guillotines about everything. And it's still going. It's going to go for a while. And then finally, we have to remember that not only was the Lutheran revolution, you know, Martin Luther able to play out his revolution because of the printing press. One of the fundamental, and people aren't aware of this particular fact, that one of the fundamental issues

that resulted in the religious wars was that what was fundamental to Martin Luther and Protestantism was that you should read your own Bible. And they were being printed at a very high rate so you could get access to a Bible. That's thus the Gutenberg Bible is such a sentinel phenomenon in this story.

While the Catholics believe you needed the priest to interpret everything for you and the Bible is not the domain of an average person. They should stay away from it. It's dangerous. Am I stating any, does all that sort of, is that all that correct? I guess I'm asking?

There's a lot to get into there, but one thing that I will point out is that the 95 theses that Martin Luther famously nailed to the church door, that was addressed to the Archbishop of Mainz, which is the city that Gutenberg was born in. So, there's a lot of historical parallels going on in that story, But you're exactly right. There has been some back and forth about, well, how important was the printing press to what Luther was doing? But Luther himself said that the printing press was the father of the Reformation or whatever way he actually put it. Certainly, the idea of an average priest in the middle of nowhere, like, who's's this guy suddenly being able to have a

start and ignite this conversation that ultimately upends an institution that's been around for more than a millennia and has such power that that truly is a revolutionary moment and i think we can all understand what that looks like and as you say what we're experiencing now is essentially, if not the same thing, it's a very markedly similar thing that is playing out in the modern application, in the modern context. So what are the kind of the same establishment institutions that are preparing to fall in the way that, say, the Holy Roman Empire, the Roman Catholic Church? What is the parallel going on today? Well, we can see this in the reflection, for example, something that would have been absolutely laughed at out of the room. You're absolutely insane, crazy for even bringing it up a few years ago that now people go, well, yes, of course that exists. Look at something like the World Economic Forum and their great reset. Yes, we're going to use this crisis of the pandemic as an opportunity, a crisis-tunity, if you will, to reset the earth and all public relations. And we're going to start these new panic on the side of the people in the status quo who understand that the populist movement, political movement, at any rate, of the last

several years is a true threat to their power and people's trust in those institutions. But also, unfortunately, along with that crisis moment comes the possibility, I think, for people who have an agenda to consolidate control and power to move that agenda forward. And everything, everything depends on the way that we react to this and the types of things that we do to either push this forward into that revolutionary phase or to simply acquiesce and oh oh well i guess i guess we'll just have to fall back in line and and make sure that we're doing what we're told and oh i don't want to say any misinformation so i better not say anything at all make sure that we're doing what we're told. And, oh, I don't want to say any misinformation, so I better not say anything at all.

The more that we shut up and basically allow these tyrants to do what they're going to do, well, then it's game over. Then they win. I was hoping to get your opinion. I think I got it. And I have a few more minutes with you before I wrap things up. What is preoccupying you these days? What are you concerned about? I am concerned about a lot of things that people

can find on corporatereport.com, but one that in particular for this year that I think is incredibly important and is not receiving enough attention is the World Health Organization's pandemic accord, agreement, whatever they're calling it this week. I agree. They keep changing the name so that people can't find out what it means and what it is. But essentially, for people who don't know, there's a couple of processes going on in the World Health Organization right now.

One is to reform the international health regulations to put amendments forward on that. Another is to create a pandemic agreement that would essentially allow the World Health Organization Director General to declare a public health emergency over pretty much anything he feels like at any time. And with that, to trigger a number of things that will essentially make the World Health Organization able to more effectively dictate what each and every individual member state's response to that emergency is. And we saw what happened in the past few years with regard to all of that. So I think that should be sending a shiver down the spine of everyone who's listening if they're paying attention. And that is coming to a head in May at the 75th World Health Assembly, 75th, 77th, whatever it is,

the World Health Assembly in May in Geneva. They are going to try to push this through. And this truly could be the end of health sovereignty nationally, let alone individually. And I think people need to be paying attention to that. Oh, my gosh. We spoke to Michelle Bachman, who's trying to rattle the cage at Congress, getting very little traction. And it is an astonishing document that will give them fiat authority

over all sovereign elected officials. That is, the more consolidated, the more centralized, the worse the outcome in health for the individual is just how healthcare works. It needs to be distributed where a person is taking care of a person. That's why we have it that way. That's why it's been that way.

You put everything in centralized authority, untold harm gets done. And did we not just see that? Well, listen, I appreciate you spending some time with me. I hope you'll give me a chance to catch you again. I know it's hard in Japan, but as things come up, I'd love to hear your thoughts about these things. I appreciate you having me on. Thanks for the time.

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So I wanted to hear your thoughts on the testimony. I guess it was yesterday with Dr. Fauci and the subcommittee on the coronavirus. I thought it was odd for me that I was searching around for stuff and I didn't see too much other than a lot of denials and I don't know and I don't remember. Is that mostly what happened? Yeah, that's essentially what happened. Over 100 instances of Fauci not remembering, which is someone who's trained by four different lawyers. This is what he's been instructed to say. So no surprise there. It's not really, unfortunately, you know, gives us evidence of nothing.

Because if he was culpable in something or not, he would say the same thing in order not to, you know, he feels that there, his lawyers probably feel that there's some type of partisan attack on him. And in order to not perhaps incriminate himself, he's just going to say, you know, he's going to err on the side of caution and say he doesn't know. What I found interesting was that not only does he have two private lawyers, but he has two government, aka taxpayer funded lawyers. And I'm trying to figure out why that is because it's a man who supposedly retired at the end of 2022. So he's been apparently a private citizen for over a year. But nonetheless, I'm not sure if your viewers and listeners are aware of this, but Fauci has full time private security that is funded by the U.S. taxpayer as well.

The U.S. Marshal Service has a chauffeur who drives him around wherever he goes. And he also has a security team that follows him around in two, you know, or two or three or four, you know, big suburbans. So it's very strange, you know, there's no transparency at all in the Biden administration. This is a guy who's supposed to be off the payroll, and yet he has all of these, you endless government services and yet you have a guy like rfk jr who's you know some in some polls 20 running a third party uh is as an independent and he can't get secret service protection so it's just very strange where the priorities lie um but if you want to go back to fauci uh the new thing now is that um I think that a lot of the Republicans in Congress are also culpable in what happened with you know endorsing multiple rounds of you know these these injections

that were you know there was really no proof that they were you know life-saving cures for 25 year olds yet they planned that and you know many even endorsed shots for the kids. So they really want to sweep this under the rug. You know, they want to make Fauci their boogeyman. They want to distract people. But, you know, they're also culpable. So they're just, you know, there's this new narrative that's emerging, basically, that's saying that Fauci didn't really know about the funding that was going on through his agency, although he signed off on it. Like, imagine if a CEO of a company had signed off on illegal activity. You think the feds wouldn't go after him?

But that's that's an aside. Like, I think the whole thing, unfortunately, is an unserious investigation. You know, they don't plan on pushing forward any prosecutions. I hope that I would be pleasantly surprised and proven wrong but i don't think that's the case well i i thought i mean i interviewed ran paul and i was following his uh social media for the days leading up to the interview and he seemed to be doing a lot of prep work he seemed very intent on really getting to the bottom of things was he cut off in some way ran paul's one of the few guys that is taking this thing seriously so my comments

are not at all directed towards him but you know the the republican establishment um that was telling people to double mask and get a booster and you know know, shoot up their kids with experimental genetic serums. Those are the people that I think that want this issue to go away as soon as possible. You know, people like Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, and the like, they're heroes of this past era. But I don't think that the majority of Republicans will ever agree with them or, you know, hold themselves accountable for what they did. Well, if indeed that's their motivation, why do they not object to what the CDC is doing in terms of doubling down on their imperatives for vaccinating children and young people? Why not somebody raise their hand and go, two things, by the way, two things. A, this is a much milder illness, not clear that the risk is

worth the benefit. Just a simple question like that. And B, oh, by the way, there's been excess deaths since the pandemic. How about we look into that? I can't imagine those two things do not get raised going forward. I just can't even like, I can't get my head around, at least some country will do that, if not us. I hope so. I mean, the U.S. big health organizations were extremely radical in the promotion of specifically so-called vaccines for children, COVID vaccines for children, this was like, and babies and infants, it was unprecedented really throughout the world. So we really put ourselves in, you know, the furthest of the extremes and endorsing, you know, in our legislators and our presidents endorsing this madness.

So I think a lot of people got caught up in that. And it's very difficult to get them to actually investigate themselves, really. So I, you know, we see all this crazy guidance from the CDC that they're still, you know, posting on X and Instagram and all this. And yeah, you don't really see our elected officials pushing back. In fact, most of them, a lot of them were just reelected last year. So it doesn't seem like when so many people are caught up by this hysteria, and I think it was the vast majority of the country that got this horribly wrong and their legislators represent them

nobody really wants to talk about it anymore and you know i i admire the fact that you're you're sticking to this and really looking out for the people who were both physically and you know emotionally and psychologically harmed by this era you know there needs to be accountability so you know i appreciate what you're doing on this front well to be careful of my position i accountability is a rough term uh i i want to get to the bottom i want to understand what we're doing and i understand we made mistakes i want to understand i so we don't make those mistakes again i i think by too overly focusing and my my audience isn't going to like this overly focusing on nuremberg 2.0 and all this stuff.

Of course, if you start threatening people with their liberty, like they're going to be imprisoned or harmed in some way just by virtue of looking into this, they're going to fight like maniacs against looking into things or getting to the bottom. I just want to get to the bottom. So it seems to me we need everybody in on this and give people a pass for making a mistake.

There was a hysteria. I don't care. Let's though get to the bottom of this and let's not let it happen again. And it might mean sort of legislative interventions against, on the other side of this, it empowers people not to listen to the bullshit on misinformation and malinformation and disinformation. I think

that should be the target, not the people that led us astray, but the fact that they are still trying to silence people for having an opinion. That's the real problem in all this. Not, in my opinion, putting people in prison for mistakes. I don't have any interest in that. I'd like to get to the bottom of it, and then I'd like to address the people that continue to slander people if they have an opinion. That should be done asunder in some way. I agree with you on that front, but I think that there also needs to be, I think at least we need to remember forever what these people did. They committed horrific human rights crimes against the entire citizenry of the

United States. They locked us down without due process um i don't know if it was a fomented hysteria or you know just a naturally occurring hysteria i guess we can still continue to investigate that but what these lawmakers and bureaucrats did um they i think that there's there's some lines that were crossed that are unforgivable and, you know, remove them from any kind of, you know, in a civil, polite society, they should not still be in positions of power. So I think that's the grievance that a lot of Americans, I think, who agree with me have with, you know, what's going on in Washington, D.C., that there's just this amazing lack of accountability. And we have to

remember that, you know, these people did horrific things, whether it was the corporate media, acting as the enforcers of, you know, the CDC, the WHO, the FDA, these corrupt pharmaceutical organizations. I mean, they committed horrific crimes against people, you know, compelling all of our armed service members to take the shot that resulted in a lot of sickness and injury, an unnecessary, totally, entirely unnecessary shot for people, you know, in the prime of their lives. So there's just so many, so many factors here where these people haven't been held accountable at all. So I know that it's, you know, it's kind of out there, but I think that a lot of people are just expressing their righteous anger and frustration with what happened that, you know, for those of us, there were, there were, it was a minority of us who I think saw this picture very clearly in 2020 and 2021 when, you know, the city of New York was forcing unvaccinated people to eat outside in the middle of the winter, or when, you know, California's governor was, you know, bulldozing, you know,

outdoor facilities, or when they were, you know, taking the hoops off of basketball courts, or, or when the, you know, the administration of Harvard was firing all employees who refused to get boosted, that they were basically just creating this class of, you know, lesser people, those who did not accommodate the demands of the regime. And none of it, we know that none of it was about our health. And that's the most disturbing part that, like, you know, whether it was Pfizer gaming these studies to make a massive profit or the Biden administration using it, you know, using immigration policy as a weapon prior to this crazy border madness. people from entering the country unless it was Mexicans crossing the border and they didn't need, you know, any type of vaccine certificate. So it was just like this bizarre discriminatory time in

our lives. And I wish, you know, I agree with you. I wish we had the answers on accountability. But at the very least, you know, we need to keep talking about this stuff because what they did is so unforgivable. It's so against, you know, every semblance of what it means to be an American and, you know, protect and defend our rights and our founding liberties that are supposed to be enshrined upon us by you know the sovereign uh deity these rights were historically violated and you know i just unfortunately i don't believe that the people in power are ever going to hold themselves accountable for it and i don't disagree really with anything you just said maybe a couple of nuances i would disagree with but a couple of things. I'm seeing stuff fly around these days where people are starting to push back on the pushback by saying we should have had more lockdown. We should have been more like China. California governor didn't go long enough, which I just can't

even believe those words are spoken. They need to be mocked when people say you need to make fun of people for being so detached from reality. You should not let them get away with that. So my first policy is mocking. Mock the hell out of them for their insane ideas, number one. But number two, and back to your accountability thing, I do think that the courts are the answer for this stuff in the sense that if you were in the military or you were forced to get a vaccine to go to school and you were injured, you should sue the hell out of those institutions. And that will get heard. I'm not sure that anything else will. And it seems like there should be a lot of that one of these days soon.

Yeah, I just read a report about a multimillion dollar successful lawsuit against the university. So that was definitely encouraging. But I totally agree with you. we should have locked down harder, the Fauci's of the world, you know, I either mentally ill or perhaps both that. So power hungry that they are a danger to every single person around them. Don't ever give them power ever again. Please do not do that. I agree with you. I agree. However, however, there, there's one thing, there's one little wrinkle in my head when I sit there and I try to think what is wrong?

Is there something wrong with me? What am I not seeing here? Is there some, what is wrong with him for saying stuff like that? How could it be so far off? And then you mentioned at the beginning of our conversation that he has these government lawyers and between the government appointed lawyers

and this bizarre unthinkable relation to how we should be responding to this virus, both make me worry that there is some sort of classified something that we don't know that he's worried about that would explain some of the insane excesses and also explain why he has all these lawyers that are from the government. That he may be able to talk about classified material with them and no one else.

Yeah, it was an interesting strategy that the Republicans decided to do this behind closed doors. I was still hoping, because I've already given up on accountability. I was hoping for one more series of Rand Paul and Fauci back and forth. Yes, that would be nice. That was some epic content, and I appreciate him having his feet held to the fire very publicly. of life has surrounded himself with yes men who, you know, just throw themselves all over him in order to either get grants or to, you know, get some type of product moved somewhere or to get, you know, some type of employment in the government. The man is a total joke. And I think that, you know, in order for our country to heal, he needs to be made into a public laughingstock.

And I think a lot of the country now sees that he absolutely is. It's such a shame. He was so helpful during HIV. I know that RFK Jr. does not feel that way. But I was there. I lived through that whole thing. I was deep in it serving patients. And he was helpful.

And as compared to the present moment, I mean, trust deep in it, serving patients. And he was helpful. And as compared to the present moment, I mean, trust me, it's totally different. His behavior was so shocking. I kept hoping, I kept saying it publicly, I hope it reverts to the mean where the old, the guy I knew before comes out. He never showed up. He never showed up. As you are probably aware, when you give people power, everyone reacts in a different way. And you don't really know how they'll react until they're delivered with a heaping scoop of power and then you kind of see what they do with it.

With Fauci, it was the worst possible thing to put him on the cover of every magazine in America. He basically ended up giving up his faith because he considers himself a god now. So it was crazy what happened you couldn't empower a more um unqualified person for that moment what do you have to say about my classified theory or there's some something happening that we they're not telling us that would make start to make sense of his crazy behavior. Is that just a completely untenable theory? No, I think there's something to that. In my view, I'm undecided about whether a genetically

modified virus is the culprit or whether this is more of just a hysteria that was the culprit. I lean heavily on the hysteria. I guess it could be both. But I think that, you know, when you read these emails, at least the redacted emails, you find that there was a real sense of panic in the top levels of the NIH and the NIAID and Fauci's agency. And I think that maybe they did, like my theory is that maybe they did believe

that they had unleashed a virus and that it was a killer virus. But of course, you know, the statistics don't bear that out. Thanks to, you know, we have the work of like John Ioannidis and, you know, countless additional great scientists. But I think that it was possible that they they totally freaked out and they engaged in some type of they did engage in a cover up. That's what the emails show, in my opinion. So, you know, that's entirely legitimate, but I don't think that they actually unleashed a killer virus because there was, there was no killer virus. So it's, I still find it very interesting to, you know,

think about that. Well, back to your original sort of observance about their behavior. It was absolutely hysterical. It was excessive and it trampled on sacred privileges. And the fact that we are still

in a situation where it just, why couldn't it happen again? In fact, the World Health Organization would like to be the organization delivering the boot on the neck of your civil liberties. What do you suggest we do? You know, this time really challenged, the 2020 to 2023, challenged the way I think about how humans react to mass

hysteria. I mean, I was living in Washington, D.C. when this first started and I was going just, you know, for runs outside, people were yelling at me to put a mask on. And I never thought in my life that anything like that would ever happen. So I wish I had some type of solution to make sure that this thing doesn't happen again i guess we can just try to build awareness that there's a lot of bad people out there that are easily fooled by the corporate media and all these lunatics and government and when they decide to label someone as an enemy you know they really mean it and some of these people might you know take act and take all these crazy action against them. So I think the solution is a more distributed media and channels like this.

We need to hold our government officials accountable for what they did. And we just need to find a way to preserve our liberties, essentially. I want you to sit and think for a second. I've got to remind somebody. I'm going to have to talk about some friends of ours that are supplying a CBD distillery to us. But while I'm sort of telling people about this, the group,

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me um you know you read about these atrocities in history and how that can they happen yes in rwanda cambodia germany all these places um yeah where you know those were mass slaughters, but this was mass antagonistic behavior. I think mass formation psychosis is what Dr. Robert Malone calls it. And I don't know if that is his theory, but he's been putting it back out in the press. It's an interesting question that sometimes we think of ourselves as, I guess, very far removed from the animal kingdom when, where we have all this information at our fingertips, sometimes people still act like savages, unintelligent, or just not thoughtful. There's interesting studies about independent thought and actually how difficult it is to think independently because all the incentives structure in our civilization is just kind of to go along with the crowds. You don't really want to stand out. It's,

it's actually very unusual for people to stand out. I guess like that's in kind of, so I, you know, you put all these pieces together and, and you could start to kind of paint a picture of how things could possibly go very wrong. But let's hope it doesn't happen.

At least, you know, give us until 2030, give us a little bit of a break before the next mass hysteria. Yeah. Yeah. It's Desmond Matias, who was studying mass formation long before this particular mass formation. And he announced that here it is. Malone is the one that added psychosis to the term mass formation. And he's

not wrong. It looked delusional to me. I think that's what it was. But as we talk about these things, I'm having a memory that I shall never forget. I actually went to get the vaccine from the hospital where I'd been attending for 40 years, nearly half a century we're closing in on here. And did my training there and taught there and was not let in first by a security guard who was standing across a window sort of making signs at me like I didn't know what he wanted or needed. Finally, he let me in and he started screaming at me,

where are your papers? Where are your papers? Screaming, the 27-year-old screaming at a six-year-old attending that had been a leader there for decades. Where are your papers? Screaming. And I thought, oh, wow. I always wondered how this happened to people, how people became prison guards and how it's possible for that to happen. I witnessed it. I saw it happen right there, right in front of my eyes. I thought, here it is. Here it is. This is how it happens. People are in a hysteria. They believe. And again, always in the name of good, everybody, this is the part that cannot be forgotten.

They're doing good. They're going to save people from the evil virus and bad people that spread the virus, unvaccinated. Mind you, I was coming to get the vaccine. Where are your papers? Screaming. I couldn't get my, I didn't have the right papers, it turned out. Couldn't get the vaccine. Probably a good thing. Had to run around the hospital to all the medical staff offices.

Two days later, I got COVID. So undoubtedly, I got picked it up in the hospital. They're running around because I didn't have my papers. So give me a fucking break, everybody. This is what hysteria does. This is what we, you got to check yourself. That guy should do a deep dive on his behavior. Everybody who did anything like that, you should do a deep, everybody.

Look, we all made mistakes the whole way through the pandemic and we all, I'm sure, did stuff that we are not particularly proud of. Look at it, look at it hard and don't do that next time. Don't cave into this stuff. Couldn't agree more. You know, everyone wants to be,

everyone says they would have been that German citizen in 1937 who was disgusted and appalled by the Nazi party's behavior. But, you know, most people either joined in or cowered away. So, you know, there's a lesson there. And, you know, even with your example of people that literally have to say papers, please. They think they're doing it for a good reason.

So they need education. Yes, always. They definitely need education. But there are some principles that once you cross the line, like there's no way you're the good guy. There's just no chance. The people that have done silencing of speech throughout certainly American history have never been the good guys.

So if you are trying to silence speech, explain to me how you're the good guys. So if you are trying to silence speech, explain to me how you're the good guy or how you're different than the previous excesses of those who have trampled on our civil liberties and privileges. Jordan, always good to talk to you. I guess you're a weirdo, which is why you were able to see things differently. I love the fact, I guess I'm a weirdo too. And that's really by definition we are because we saw this thing a little bit for what it was early on I had a similar experience running outside where I was running I and I was very um very deferential to people and I I went along with things more than I knew I should but I did it just to be a nice guy and I ended up I was running

and I ran into the street because there was an old man with a mask on, walking up the sidewalk. And as I ran by without a mask, I was probably eight feet away from him. He jumped away from me like I was on fire. That's another thing I'll never forget from the pandemic. Like, what did we do to that poor guy?

Everybody, if air is moving, this fire, COVID does not transmit. That's it, period. So outdoor transmission is exceedingly uncommon, if not, approaching never. So don't, if you're wearing a mask outside, we've done something to you. And I just feel sorry. These days, I feel sorry for those people. Yeah, it was crazy. I have so many stories from my time in DC. And then when I was freed to the free state of Florida, I didn't have any other incidents. But there was this one other time

where this story is probably even crazier, where I was going to my apartment gym in arlington virginia and this um this um overweight couple walks in you know both masks to the nines and they of course you know i'm working out like i'm i'm just minding my business and then his wife gets really upset with me because you know this is like peak covid hysteria and the guy's like uh the guy walks over to me he's like will you he was asking me if i you know if i was willing to wear a mask and you know i'm thinking for a bit i've always been a guy you know i'm a very diplomatic person but that was like the first time where i realized that like there was no more i was no longer welcome in the in the city so i said no i was like i'm not going to do that and you know if you have a problem with that you can

leave like i was just like so fed up because we were in such a small minority group surrounded by all these crazies and they're looking at us like we're crazy and of course history should have proved us correct but it was just you know so many incidents like that um where everything went just so nuts and for those of us and i'm sure there are many of you that are watching listening who had similar experiences like we don't want this to be swept under the rug so again like it goes back to the scouchy hearing and it's just like you know it's deeply upsetting that there's just no accountability and for people who went along i don't think that they share our perspective because for them they're like oh you know it was like a weird time

and everyone was doing this and like we were all just like being weird but like for us we were just being viciously attacked online and in person and uh you know depending on where you live maybe that wasn't the case you know if you lived kind of um say in a in a more accommodating area but for those of us who were in blue states especially at the beginning like it was just it was just so insane like it's hard to even like you think about those times and like wow that really that really happened like over a span of like a year and a half, just constant craziness, relentless craziness. And the fact that it was the blue states, I always thought these were the folks most concerned with civil liberties. That, that, that is, that was shocking to me.

And then, and then no sympathy for the trampling on civil liberties. Yeah. Well, you know, the modern democratic party i have a lot of thoughts on that but they've become really that you know the republican party isn't great either but you know the democratic party is in a weird place where they've transformed from the you know the party that fought against vietnam to the the party that's for all the wars and all of you know the corporate interests in america for for the fbi for the for the uh you know the investigative state for trampling on civil liberties for stamping out misinformation or anybody that dares to

address the elite oh and their and their narratives. This is wild. Again, people, look at yourself. If that's you, look at yourself. That's the current hysteria. It's a low-level mass formation where they can't see how much they've changed their values. And it's not good. It is not good. All right, Jordan, I'm going to kind of wrap things up. Maybe we'll have a deeper dive into that particular topic next time, all right?

Yeah, for sure. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it. All right, you got it. The dossier is the Substack. Substack, whoop, dossier.substack.com. Susan, I know you're busy with the Rumble Ranchers over there. What's happening?

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Okay, use the code Drew at cbdistillery.com. Okay, I was Googling it because somehow on the iPad it looked like drew. Oh, code Drew, I see. That's the end of a sentence, code Drew, period. That's code cbdistillery.com's code CBDistillery.com code Drew. Okay, so if you use CBD head on over there and support the Rumble people because they're helping us out

over there. So let's look at the upcoming guests one more time. I think it's Rob Schneider tomorrow if I'm correct on that. This new mic is weird. It's good. It sounds good. I like it. Caleb, I'm going to put the upcoming guest up there real quick. Do you have that?

Or did I bum rush you with that one? There they are. Paul Alexander on Thursday. Michael Nils on the following Tuesday. Peter McCullough on Wednesday. Steve Van Fleet. Lots of really interesting guests coming. So again, we are open to suggestions.

If you guys want me to interview people, I'll be happy to do so. If there are things about the show that you like, don't like, contact at drdrew.com. She's sitting right over there. Roseanne had to reschedule. Yeah, Roseanne had to reschedule. She went to the IACOC.

Let me just address this very quickly. There's a lot of weird shit going on because of Dr. Who After Dark over at your mom's house. Look, stop it. I have nothing but affection for everybody over there. It was a gift. That show was unexpected. Susan and Tom invented it out of whole cloth. It was a gift that went on for about five years. And Christina. Well, really it was you and Tom, but Christina sat in a dinner with us that one night. And then Christina jumped in and helped the show really a long, great deal right in the middle of its run. And then Christina jumped in and helped the show really a long, great deal,

right in the middle of its run. And then it wasn't supporting us. Well, then they moved to Austin. It just, things are- Yeah, it just, it was time. It was a great experience. I'll go back and do cameos over there. I'm communicating with everybody over there

on a regular basis. You will no doubt see me over there again. And if they want to start it up again, or we might start it up here, we're looking at things. We've got other ideas. There's some Loveline stuff percolating around. I was talking to Adam about that this morning.

So there's things to be done, but stop it with all the negativity on your mom's side. Stop it. Well, they're not really negative. They've been really nice, but everybody's just questioning. Why? What happened?

Whose fault was it? What happened? It's the normal course of things. I don't have, my cancer's not back. I wasn't, I didn't storm out because some criteria, it was the end of a contract and we were looking at things and there was just no way to keep it going.

That was that. Didn't pencil in. It didn't pencil. It's exactly right. And it was a lot of travel, a lot of work, and I enjoyed every minute of it, but I will miss those guys. And they worked so hard on that show.

They put so much blood, sweat, and tears into that show that's the other thing those guys do super high quality stuff they have an army of people was there doing the editing doing the social media and that gets expensive and the show's got to support itself in order to do that so there we are yep all right everybody uh we'll be back tomorrow three o'clock pacific what oh yes oh real real quick because i was just curious about this i uh on youtube i posted a poll because of the conversation that we were on i was curious about what the audience was thinking about i was offered them two different choices first choice is dr fauci goes to prison but the truth about covid is sealed for 100 years or vice versa. The entire truth about COVID is made public

but nobody ends up being punished. Now, this is the interesting thing. Okay, don't tell me the answer yet. I don't tell you the answer. I would vote for the latter, the second. That is my vote. Susan, what's your vote? You want to see him go to prison

and we don't find out what happened or we move on, we don't punish him. I'm apolitical. I don't vote she didn't vote so how did the audience look at this feeling the audience wanted it's almost it was close to 50 50 before i brought attention to it so it's about 40 60 63 of the people that are watching on youtube would prefer the truth to be released even if nobody ends up being punished 35 still want to see fauci in jail even if we don't know the full truth. So it's an interesting split there. I thought it was going to lean way more to Fauci

being jailed, but a lot of people are a bit more rational. But that 60% is my, it's almost 70% guys. It's too soon. And that's a significant majority. And I will continue to fight for the truth on your behalf. Let it be known. We're going to keep at it. Thank you. We'll see you tomorrow at three o'clock. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis,

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