Ask Dr. Drew - Jason Ellis Returns & Mark Geragos Sues California - Ask Dr. Drew - Episode 29

Episode Date: December 16, 2020

Nationally recognized attorney Mark Geragos discusses his plans to sue the state of California over its restaurant closures and COVID-19 restrictions. And after appearing on the show in November (https://youtu.be/Gd-kRY8JSQs), Jason Ellis joins Dr. Drew to discuss the unexpected ending of his SiriusXM radio show, give an update on his upcoming projects, and reveal plans for his new shows. Dr. Drew and Jason Ellis answer viewer calls at 984-2DR-DREW (984-237-3739).  Follow Dr. Drew on Locals at http://drdrew.com/locals. Sign up at https://drdrew.tv to get an alert when Dr. Drew is taking calls. Jason Ellis is a New York Times bestselling author, athlete, and radio host. Follow Jason at https://twitter.com/EllisMate   Mark Geragos has represented some of the most prominent figures in the world. Geragos is the only lawyer besides Johnnie Cochran ever named "Lawyer of the Year" in both Criminal and Civil arenas. Follow Mark at https://twitter.com/markgeragos Get an alert when Dr. Drew is taking calls: http://drdrew.tv/  Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (@KalebNation) and Susan Pinsky (@FirstLadyOfLove). THE SHOW: For over 30 years, Dr. Drew Pinsky has taken calls from all corners of the globe, answering thousands of questions from teens and young adults. To millions, he is a beacon of truth, integrity, fairness, and common sense. Now, after decades of hosting Loveline and multiple hit TV shows – including Celebrity Rehab, Teen Mom OG, Lifechangers, and more – Dr. Drew is opening his phone lines to the world by streaming LIVE from his home studio in California. On Ask Dr. Drew, no question is too extreme or embarrassing because the Dr. has heard it all. Don’t hold in your deepest, darkest questions any longer. Ask Dr. Drew and get real answers today. This show is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. All information exchanged during participation in this program, including interactions with DrDrew.com and any affiliated websites, are intended for educational and/or entertainment purposes only. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopaths start this way. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***ing sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals, but just deal with what's real.

We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time, educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. But before Jason and I get into it, we have a special guest who agreed to stop by just for a couple of minutes. And I want to pick his brain about what happened yesterday here in Los Angeles. What is it? The gentleman who is often called the high-profile attorney. I just saw him as my friend from high school, Mark Garagos.

There you are. For those of us who don't know or those of your viewers who don't know we have known each other since high school and on rival football teams and ironically now his oldest son by two minutes and my only son jake are uh our fast friends and i was just teasing you drew off the air i've had dinner i've had more dinners with your son since quarantine than I have with you. All I can say is, first of all, that's wisdom on your part, number one, and be wisdom on his part, too. I mean, he has tremendous respect and enthusiasm for you, so he can't get enough. Sorry about that, if that's an issue yeah that kid

that kid is uh i'm going to tell you to anybody drew will be eclipsed and happily so by douglas in the near future trust me so speaking of being eclipsed uh yesterday i was texting you when i started hearing the reports out of the courtroom uh what was happening what we have here in los angeles let me just sort of frame it, and you tell me if I got the framing proper, is we have an out-of-control LA County Board of Supervisors. We have a county department of mental health,

excuse me, department of health that is led by people who are not clinicians and make capricious, arbitrary decisions, literally will say things like, we have to do something, so we just did X. And one of those X things was to close outdoor dining, for which there is an IK, you know, I do a Fox 11 program. Some of our viewers know this locally here in Los Angeles.

And every night on that show, I say, show me one publication, one. Just give me one publication that will show me the evidence basis for your decision. Just one. I'll read it. I'll turn around. If you give me that evidence. Of course, there is no such thing. In fact, quite the opposite. Well, you know what happened is so we went in. I own a number of restaurants and I frequent restaurants all the time.

I eat out all the time. And I know most restaurateurs, it's one of the toughest businesses in the world, the small margins, you're constantly having to be on premises. And it's just a tough, tough business, but it's something you love, you do it. And speaking of sons, I've got a son who's a chef as well. And so I tried mightily to talk to somebody to get them to rethink this because, as Drew says, there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Then I watched or read the Catherine Barger, who's one of our board of supervisors, and Janice Hahn, who's another one, questioning Barbara Farrar, who's our county health officer, and one other health officer. And it was astonishing to me how they

just couldn't answer simple questions like, OK, where's the data? Point me to a study. There's many of them. Well, where? Oh, it's the CDC and blah, blah, blah. Well, they vote anyway. Split vote three to two. Mark Ridley Thomas, by the way, coward that he is, votes to shut down dining, outdoor dining, and then promptly resigns from the board of supervisors because he was termed out to become a city councilman sheila kuhl who talked at the meeting this is another board of supervisor you remember if you're my vintage from dobie gillis um she should have stayed on on that show but she talked about this is an awful thing this dining is

horrific it's the transmission she votes to close down outdoor dining gets into her car is driven in a county car straight to a restaurant in santa monica to to go eat yeah um then she's based repeatedly this week to show us some of the studies. She can't show you a study. So I ended up suing the county. The California Restaurant Association also did. We had our hearings combined. Three times this judge in the Superior Court told the county, look, I don't see enough evidence. I'm going to give you until such and such a day to show me the evidence. Last Tuesday,

he told him he's got till Friday afternoon at 4.30. Show me the evidence. Well, Friday afternoon at 4.30, they filed paperwork, which on its best day was insulting to the judge and demeaning, and basically said, don't talk to us about evidence we anytime that somebody communicates with another person they're at risk of coronavirus and that's the end of that we don't want to talk about it basically wow um and cited drew the one fact that they cited was the apocryphal story that you and i have talked about the 27 year old who reported self-reported in wuhan that he had somehow contracted the virus outdoors. That was what their study was.

Right, one case. The CDC study, one case. The CDC study was, when you go to it, it was no distinction between indoor and outdoor. Right. So we go crazy. The judge yesterday afternoon issues a 53-page opinion, which he says, before the hearing, I want you to read this. This is my thinking. So he basically dismantles the county's arguments in all of these declarations. Somebody goes to Dr. Ghali, and they tell Dr. Ghali this,

some intrepid reporter. Dr. Ghali, who's the state head of health and human services, says this, quote, outdoor dining may not be that risky per se. The decision to include, among other sectors, outdoor dining and limiting that really has to do with the goal of trying to keep people at home, not a comment on the relative safety of outdoor dining right there you go that's it i mean there you go there it is all you needed so over and by the way they reversed they reversed the playground decision today too they backed off playgrounds yeah it's an insane recommendation they closed the playgrounds down these are the same incompetent let's call them what they are, they're incompetent.

They closed down beaches, closed down hiking trails, had us hiding under our sheets for two months. Let's call it what it is. It's incompetence. I'm sorry. These are not good decisions. They're incompetent decisions, and they don't seem to have a reverse gear, as your buddy

Corolla would say. And by the way, if you want to see more Mark Garagos, Reasonable Doubt, he's got gear as your buddy Corolla would say. And by the way, if you want to see more Mark Garagos reasonable doubt, he's got a pod with Adam Corolla. You can follow Mark at Mark Garagos, G E R A G O S. Is it Mark underscore Garagos or just Mark Garagos? Just Mark Garagos. And then I don't think Adam likes that.

Does he like that picture or not? I love, we love that picture. It really does capture the flavor of what goes on in that, in that pod. Except when you guys were on a live show, I saw the aftermath of that. I won't go into that right now,

but if people would like to, I need my own personal addiction specialist. I was, I was watching carefully, watching carefully. But you can support Mark's restaurants. He has Engine Company number 28 and 10E, the number 10 followed by the letter E, 10ERestaurant.com for delivery, Grubhub, DoorDash, all that. We've been running around supporting every restaurant we can support at least twice a day because we just feel horrible, not just for the the restaurant owners but all the staff that's been laid off these are they seem to make these capricious incompetent decisions

that affect hundreds of thousands of lives what's that mark and and they don't think of any there is no forward thinking the idea that somehow if you ban outdoor dining that's going to help people or keep people at home well yeah but what it's going to do is drive people to go to houses and not and be indoors as opposed to outdoors and all of the science and data on this and i've been immersed in it um in suing because i've sued the governor sued the the county we sued i mean it's all i've done during the pandemic is sue and see this idiocy. And it's I'm hoping that the tide is turning. I mean, the U.S. Supreme Court came out and said, even during the times of a pandemic, the Constitution does not go on sabbatical. That was 10 days ago. This judge wrote Judge Chalfant wrote a masterful opinion that basically said public health, by definition and by statute,

balance, you have to balance. You balance risk. That's what public health is. This isn't save a patient at all costs. Right. That's exactly right. It's balance of risk. And nobody seems seems nobody in the uh-oh you go on you're you're froze there a little bit nobody in the what froze again i said no mr sphere yeah go ahead go ahead we got you go ahead go ahead at least informed decisions and yeah and a part this is all messaging it's um a scare tactic in order to get people to do and they keep well this is going to be lies yeah they lie that's right do you want to try to bring him back in on another zoomer it's a cell phone okay it'll probably pop back once i have a question though drew once he comes back into his his space

um what the timeline is like as far as suing the government and opening up again uh well that's an interesting question but but let me ask one quick thing first just a rhetorical statement which is what where'd mark go he's rebooting okay he's rebooting is this interest you at all this this stuff's interesting to me um because so many lives are up and about i know you're real laser focused on getting your it's funny when you talk i know it makes me realize how much i um don't care about anything except the jason ellis show being successful which is good we admire that i want to help you with any of the trump or any wet like i don't know anything about anything anymore i got i got one thing on my mind but yeah hearing that because i have a co-host who i saw today who i had to get a test before we saw each other because he's really freaked out oh geez and

there's no way he would um he would but he would frown upon me if he knew that I went dining. And how old a person? He's 34. You're talking about Tully? No, Kevin's far worse. Kevin said he has a sister that works in the medical world. She's a nurse in New Jersey and said that there's new tests coming out that you get permanent brain damage from having COVID. No, very unusual. Yes, there is stuff like that happening. and said that there's new tests coming out that you get permanent brain damage from having COVID.

No, very unusual. Yes, there is stuff like that happening. It happens for any severe illness, let's be fair. I'm not a doctor and I didn't have that rebuttal. I just sort of said, but we're not going to have a job. And not only that, the people that are getting these longer term consequences, there are the long haulers and some of them are young,

but the people that are at risk are the people that are at risk. The people that are in the risk categories, elderly. And they often step down cognitively after a bad, bad illness. That happens a lot. Now, sometimes they recover, sometimes they don't. It's all over the place.

But to lay that at the feet of COVID right now is a huge mistake. 14 million people have had this goddamn thing. See, are there 14 million people, brain-damaged people out there? No, there are not. I'm just saying, I would say he's a little bit paranoid, but he's still what I would consider a level-headed human being who's come to this conclusion.

And then Michael, who I would say is a pretty well-educated person, pretty sensible, who also says, look, if they're finding out tests where there's permanent brain damage no who knows who's to say that they don't do more tests down the road saying that there's more damage to be had from it and i thought to myself is it's hard for me because i i'm a i'm a natural born white trash person like i think i was i, I live in California. I'm a bisexual man. So obviously I'm a bit of a libtard because I'm on, I got to stick up for my side and my side's a minority, but, but I am a gun toting, beer drinking, you know what I mean? Show me your boobs kind of guy.

So there's that part where, I mean, when I was in Havasu the other day, there was some people on the boat that were helping us do the event and they didn't have masks on. And I shook their hands because it's disrespectful not to do that. If someone's going to work with you and I could tell some of the other people were like, Whoa, you're going to shake their hands.

And I'm like, man, I just feel like, well, if there was a way around it, I would gladly help. But we're, we've got to exist. we can't just give up

and hide i'm the first couple you'll go crazy you can fantasize all you want about we may find out all we may find out who knows what the hell you know what i'm saying go ahead and fantasize about what we might find out about the vaccine or find out about the virus the evidence does not suggest anything anything like that nothing like that so yes i know what they're talking about in terms of these brain damage cases yeah believe me that is a million miles from i wish i could have said that but i didn't have your research what do you you must know somebody who's had this condition right you know somebody was at it brennan sharp had it how bad was that for him i think he got over it in three days right that's a typical case that's what i said to him i said there you go that my my rebuttal was does bretted sharp have permanent

brain damage and he said no he had to start with to other people oh no you know it's like yeah because he doesn't if people that's the thing is the thing i noticed is people are telling him that a lot and here's the deal if it's not true then it really sucks that people are telling well because they're scaring the shit out of innocent people out of them that's not good but they're also their narcissism is written out now when so we say one percent of people have trouble with this thing that's going to be me that's narcissism okay that's narcissism flat out because cool i i have a 90 probability of cure of my prostate cancer after surgery. I consider that cured 90% with a 10% risk.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 99%? I wouldn't even. That's 100%. Yeah. And so if you get sick, you have a 1% probability of trouble. You don't have to worry about it. Yeah.

Yeah, that's it, period. Now, I'm not saying the real problem, and this is what you have to, here's the problem. They don't even know why they're trying to scare you. The reason they're trying to scare you is they don't want you transmitting it to three other people. They don't want it going through you to a bunch of other people and eventually getting to grandma. That's the concern here. It has to be stopped somewhere.

You know, people aren't listening. You know that, right? I mean, there's people, because I have both sides. I have one person who won't come over unless he wears a gas mask and then another person who um i see her instagram and she's out of her life she will nothing has changed yeah well she's she actually got coronavirus three days ago all right and there you go and then she'll be fine right yes there's a good point she has not she would definitely text me if she was dying your grandmother no no my a friend of mine so again let's be super clear we're not i'm not

saying you should be cavalier i'm saying the reason it has to stop the transmission has to stop because we're on this parabolic curve right now and it's all of our responsibilities to stop it you know right in its tracks but not to fear fear that we're going to be a long hauler, end up on a ventilator. Those are irrational fears. It happens. It happens in a tiny percentage of cases. And the press, unfortunately,

seeks those out and throws them on the television. Everyone else is fine. I think, is it not the same for the flu and that stuff? If older people get the flu, do they not go on ventilators? Yes, that in fact happens. But they don't report. And the hospitals get full this time of year

because of seasonal infections like this. But it's worse. It's worse now, let's be fair. It's worse. And when it's bad, it's really bad. What's that, Susan? We don't have a vaccination yet, so that will help.

We have vaccination, but we have another. No, for the flu, we have it, but we don't for this. We have it for this. They just have to distribute it. And so the problem now is, I don't want to be such a downer today. They don't have enough. They're showing a similar level of incompetence in terms of their distribution plans.

Isn't that kind of like big business? Like the bigger the business, the more corporate gets involved, and then it slows down the actual business of what they were doing. Is the government not the biggest business in the world? It's kind of like a really shitty post office. And they have these weird ideological and political priorities that aren't about medicine, and it really is screwing things up. Yeah, because people make more money and we get shafted.

I today was meeting with some peers about what the rollout was going to be, who would get the vaccine. Because we're technically in 1A as healthcare. I saw a bunch of patients this morning. I should be getting the vaccine, right? And we all looked at each other. We were like, California's getting less vaccine than they thought. L.A. County supervisor wants it to be done through the schools. The hospitals don't know what they're getting.

It's just a, it's a shit show. It is a shit show. And we're all looking at each other going hey dr smith who works in the icu she should get it right away and how could how does she get it yeah and we don't even know that so you know i'm angry about it but tell me about that tell me about the jason ellis podcast i did one this morning yes the first one ever so the boys were there and we record it in a video and the studio has got finished the the last piece of art was put in the room last night wet that's how much of a rush that i have on everybody doing it looked pretty good i saw it it's the best studio i've

ever yeah in my career where is it in my house oh's good. That's awesome. I copied a guy I know. I'm looking at your YouTube. I'm looking at your YouTube right now. Yeah. Is the studio here? I don't see it on YouTube. I don't know if it would be up there. Yeah, not yet. I did a, when the studio finally got fixed last night and we had audio, I did a test run where I didn't even, I didn't tell anybody.

I just went on there and people started sending me money. I did not know that you could do that. I was unaware that you could. You became a cam performer. I felt like a cam girl because I did watch my wife once do camming when she did it. And it makes a sound. It's like a ba-ding.

And you know that you got, they sent you a donation. So I was talking, doing, you know, selling people that the new show is going to get filmed tomorrow and don't forget to subscribe and all that stuff. And then all of a sudden, ba-ding. I'm like, wait, what's going on here? And then people, I think people thought it was weird. I thought it was weird.

So then they started sending me money to make it even weirder. And then I got out of there because I felt like I should show them my undercarriage you know i mean it was it was escalating i was getting up to some proper money and i'm like man i'm not actually doing anything i'm just gonna get off what was the i did it again didn't i what was the what was the parable in the movie series on netflix make the uh organ grinder monkey the parable of the organ grinder monkey it's what i felt like yeah no i felt like i was being used like some kind of piece of meat yeah there you go

and you were and you were happy to do so but apparently that's like being in the podcast world so i guess i better get used to it so i'm getting a little confused um you should because i had an old podcast when you type in awesome world it shows alistronics or high and dry it's a complete mess yeah so what do we do here well that is my side thing where that's my show by myself the jason ellis awesome world yeah okay so that's still going awesome world still going i invented awesome world i think the day i came here yeah because someone said don't you have to talk to people and i was like i don't have a show and they're like just make a new one and tell people what's going on. I bet you were.

I see that it's on Stitcher. They'll get some action there, I bet. It made it into the top 50 or something like that. Well done. Well done. All right. That's Awesome World. That's one part. What's the other?

Awesome World. And then there's, I'm doing Wolf in the Hawk. We haven't had the name yet, but it's either Wolfhawk or Wolf and the Hawk. It's Tony Hawk and I are doing a podcast. I'll be driving down there once a week to do a show with him. And then there's the Jason Ellis show, which we filmed today. The first time we've ever filmed one from start to finish. The first time ever the board goes through the audio, through the video where I can be Bindi and you can see my face live at the same time. All these things that I've been asking for for 15 years

happened this morning. And then it goes to these podcast people, the people that I'm in business with, the people that deliver the podcast are the same people that deliver Fighter and The kid and all that stuff and no people are asking me about uh oh make sure you own it i appreciate i do i i'm working with these guys they are the the the podcast company that's going to bring my stuff to you guys but i it's still i own it so i appreciate everybody's concerns. I made sure I got that. So I've got, I don't know

if you know this, Dr. Drew, but I have maybe 20 to 35 attorneys that are working for me around the clock right now on Instagram. I hope not. I've got, no, I'm just saying that the amount of people that have tried to help me. I see. I see. You mean they would volunteer to help you. Everybody's trying to help. That's good. That's's great but there's a real put do you know who kevin undergaro is i know the name yeah because he is why do we know kevin kevin's from uh what's her name after buzz yeah he's um with them maria maria maria he's maria's husband he reached out to me when i think he knows what he's doing he knows what he's doing he I he said fly this guy out and he'll build your studio and I flew a guy out and he's been at my house for the last five days

oh my gosh and my studio is completely built I'm so happy for you and it looks amazing and the audio and video the guy that's here Steve taught my wife had my wife is now like behind the in the other room like she's doing what you guys are doing what just i'm saying we're doing what you guys are doing it's the best it's the best i love it so so um a couple questions i very specifically where do people go to subscribe right so the podcast isn't out yet okay where will people go to subscribe everywhere no, no. Give them like subscribe at Caleb.

What do we need here? Is it going to your YouTube channel? It'll be on YouTube and it'll be in everything that cast does. So it'll just go out. When can we look for it? I can't give that. Normal podcast. They said they're going to in two weeks.

So keep an eye out for the next two weeks for it. Yeah. For now, we're going to do Awesome World. No, no. It's not. Awesome World is now. Awesome World is now. The Jason Ellis Show is coming in a couple of weeks. The Jason Ellis Show is coming in a couple of weeks.

But the Jason Ellis Show Patreon is going to open up tomorrow. And because we did a show today that's like a podcast show, which is half a show to us. Yes. So I have much more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were like, instead of waiting for next week, we're just going to do the Patreon this week. So we're going to do three recorded podcasts

for when the Jason and I show comes out to podcast world in the next couple of weeks. Don't worry. Oh, you're going to know when it drops. I'm going to, I'm going to have everybody in anybody that I've ever known. Okay. Push this onto you all.

So, and follow Jason at, at Wolf made on, on Instagram and Ellis may on Twitter. Uh, Greg is asking here as I'm looking at the restream, all the chats out there, something about you arguing with Robin on stern and they're blaming

what happened you too i always thought we both in the shitter with robin well i always thought well you know what i mean no no no disrespect but fuck her for trying to say on this don't she try to say that i was a bad parent when there was no fucking sarcasm in it she was like like i think howard asked me if I thought I was a good father. And I was like, yeah. And she's like, well,

how can you really be a good father if you've, you know, used all these drugs and alcohol and lived a life that you've lived? And I, it was sort of out of left field. And I was like, wow. And I remember thinking,

you're not triggering me, but I am going to put you in check a little bit. So I made a couple of jokes as to, you know, at least because, you know, her dad. Yes. Diddle her. Yeah. Diddle their pussy and all that sort of stuff.

And I was like, you know, I don't, I'm not, I'm not your father, Robin. I haven't done anything to you. So I don't know why you're doing it to me. And then a lot of people reached out. How did that go over? First of all, she shut the fuck up. I put her in check hard, and I laughed it off like it wasn't an actual argument. But at the same time, I am a father, and you just did tell me I'm a bad father.

Anybody out there a dad, get somebody to yell at you that you're a bad parent on the Howard Stern show in front of millions of people. Am I? Am I perfect? No. Let's talk about it. I've seen you with your kids and i've seen how they love and admire you uh and what i would say to her if i were talking to her i'd say yeah probably made him not a great husband but oh yeah but yeah and and it got in the way and

it ruptured that a little bit but he always put the kids he kept all that from the kids as far as I could tell, right? Yeah. I mean, I'm good friends with my kid's mother. So how crazy am I if we're all good? Because a lot of people can't say that when they get divorced. Not only that. Because we care about the kids before us. Yeah, you did do that. And I would say that the person that suffered the most during that whole period was you.

You were very depressed during all that. Yes. Yeah. Very tough times. Yeah. And maybe that affected your performance as a father. And I question that too. I definitely question that.

But listen, if you had- Getting divorced is not good for your kids. Not great for them. We're already- Yeah, it's okay. But you're paying attention to that. But a bad parent is a different thing. It a very different thing and again listen let me finish the thought though about the depression millions of people have depression while they're parenting you know

saying and millions of people have all kinds of medical conditions we shouldn't think about the brain ones differently necessarily it all affects our ability to be high performance parents we want to be it's the way it goes. It's life, man. That's it. The biggest tell for me is my ex-wife is a really nice person. We're not the same people at all. And I put her through a lot with my penis and all that kind of stuff. And you have to deal with it.

My father and my brother died when we were together. I was not there., my father and my brother died when we were together. I was not there. I didn't know that. Like I was, you know what I mean? I was, I was coping with addictions and all kinds of stuff. And that's not a time to have kids, which yes, once again, you can imply not the greatest parent, but like actual, when the baby popped out, like what my mindset, what my,

what my work is, what my track record is. You can go and ask my ex-wife who should hate me she loves me because she knows that i'll die like everything revolves around the children yeah and i've seen your kids and they are phenomenal phenomenal people they are great people yeah they are very proud yeah you should be and so but yeah that that And yes, I, I did make a remark back in a friendly manner, but I definitely felt the social media thing of people attacking her and telling me, which means she would have felt that after the show.

And I thought that was, cause that was the last time I was on. I thought maybe that was the reason. The reason you got fired. No, the reason that I didn't go back on the Stern show. When I had a new book and they were like, yeah, nah. And I'm like, wait, yeah, nah?

I'm the dick M&M guy. What the fuck? You guys flew me out for George to touch my wiener. Now no? I thought we were wiener buddies for life. You know what I mean? When I pull your dick out like three to four times on someone's show, and then you get a new book yeah you have me back in i heard that episode as a matter of fact and uh george decay was uh you so you listen to susan george decay was uh not playing

he was not playing he was into it yeah everybody else was ha ha we're doing funny radio. George was jerking me off. Let's get a couple questions in here if you don't mind, Jason. This is from another Jason. Jason, go ahead there. Hello? Jason? Uh-oh. Is he on Zoom? Weird the way we're getting

the Mark Geragos effect all over the place. Try again, Jason. There you go. Are you there? It's probably on here. Well, this is David. Oh, well. This is David.

All right, David, go ahead. Maybe it's a question for Jason, but go ahead. That's what I thought. David, I see you. Go ahead. Oh, okay. Nice to hear you go ahead. Oh, okay. Hi. Nice to hear you drew.

Um, one question is with this, this vaccine coming out and I heard you're going to take it as soon as you can get it. Yeah. Um, it, it basically boosts your antibody response in order to let you fight this, um,

thing off. I mean, the reality is your immune system is very complicated. The cartoon version is you send in this strip of RNA. It goes into the cytoplasm, not the nucleus of the cell. It binds to ribosomes. It starts building viral proteins that they then release out into the blood.

And those proteins are what your immune system sees, creates a bunch of antibodies against, then takes those proteins back to the lymph nodes and builds an army of memory cells left behind to respond next time it sees that protein. Man, we're good. Yeah, that's how it works. The human body. So based on that, they have these antibody tests for IgM, IgG. Would that, if you had a vaccine, would that be activated if you, by taking one of those tests? It is. I've been talking about this Adatex team I'm working for for a while, and I went there and had a more comprehensive antibody screen. You actually produce antibodies against a number of different proteins on the virus, including a nuclear capsid protein.

And it turned out I was producing antibodies to one of the coronavirus proteins, and it might have turned my general antibody screen positive. However, the more sophisticated screen showed I did not have immunity. I don't have immunity. So yes, antibody tests will go positive, but they go up and they go down. That's just the way it works. That's the way all antibody sort of reactions work. And the question is, once it goes back down, is there what's called cellular immunity left behind with adequate memory and adequate power

to respond if you're re-exposed? I think I can say with pretty good certainty, if you've had the illness, you're good for a year. If you had the vaccine, you're good for a year. If you had the vaccine, you're good for a year. And some data on the SARS coronavirus one suggests if you had the infection, you may be good for 17 years. So there's a lot of evidence that there's a sustained immunity. We'll see. We don't know for sure yet. And this is for you, Jason. This is for you, Jason. This is what that last one was not for me. Just say TJ, TJ. This this is for you this is for you jason this is i do what that last one

was not for me just say tj tj this is what is for you tj hey how you doing drew ellis mate how you doing hey man good thanks hey um first of all your set looks amazing i was excited to see your test show last night um i just wanted to say that uh jason uh you've become such an inspiration. I do a lot of ultra running. So, you know, I'm stupid and I run long distances out in the desert. Yeah, it's awesome. So I went on a run and I usually don't listen to things when I run. But yesterday I was so excited about For Your Awesome World that I put it on. And I ran the best training run I ever ran.

So the inspiration that you provided was awesome. When you were talking about hardening the F up and tell people you love them and everything like that, it really got me going. So I appreciate that. And all you've done

for the past 10 years. Let's talk about that. I appreciate you listening to me. I hear a lot more men particularly responding to, you tell me if this is a thing that's happening. And TJ, I want you to help us too.

Yeah. This, a lot of Navy seal, you know, inspirational stuff and don't be a pussy. And, you know, a friend of mine,

a friend of mine is an army Ranger. And he said, but before we jumped into Fallujah, the first thing he said to himself before he jumped out of the plane was don't be a pussy. It's like, there seems to be a more of a, like we've become so, I don't recognize this anymore.

And in a response that there seems to be a very strong reaction the other way. No? Yeah. To me, it's- No, well- Oh, go ahead, DJ. I was going to say, in my case, I'm actually a pretty sensitive guy, but- But I'm not saying don't be, I'm not saying being insensitive or being hyper-masculine or toxic masculine. It's just live with purpose, live with intention. You know what I mean?

I sort of feel like that's what it means. You can make it mean anything you want, but what do you say, Jason? Oh, well, I think initially you could be doing it for the wrong reasons, but in the end to stay in it for a long time and be good at things that are dangerous. When you were, when you were doing the pod, what were you thinking?

What were you thinking about? Well, I, I, I can't lose. I can't. Okay. So that's what I'm thinking.

So you're thinking, I can't get sad. You're thinking just suck up. I had a cry. So I think maybe two or three days where I could cry a couple of times. I went downstairs, had a cry by myself. So my wife didn't hear me. And then I went to the beach and I do what I do.

Like when it's all over and there's no tomorrow, I build a new one. And I told myself, I expect the worst. I expect everything to be terrible and a lot it's probably I expect the worst I expect everything to be terrible and a lot of work to be done and I'm ready to do I'm ready to go to war

I'm ready to do anything I'll do a thousand shows I'll not sleep I'll do whatever I'll do everybody if anybody wants me to be on the show I'll do that

if you want me to be a co-host got any other ideas I'll do it I just beg for the funny to come out like please be entertaining please have enough people to give a shit so that I can win again. But let's drill into what TJ was saying, though.

He says you were an inspiration to him by talking about that suck it up kind of feeling. You know what? I know what he's referring to, but it's suck it up. But it's not always harden the fuck up. And I know I said that in there as well. Because there is certain times where it's just hard. To me, the motto of hardening the fuck up and I know I said that in there as well because there is there is certain times where you just to me the motto of hardening the fuck up is perfect there's certain times where the answer is that it's a perfect answer to when you're knocked down and things are tough but there are like you said TJ you're an emotional guy so am I so there's times where you have to, you have to know who you are and you can't just hit

the harden the fuck up button all the time. It's, you become, it's over the top. It's hard. You mean like if I'm just a maniac all the time and I'm fearless all the time and get out of the way, I'm going to jump at first. It's, it's, it's, it's, you're an unbearable human to be around. Right. So I need both, you know, when the time's right, turn it up. If you want to go to war, I'll show you one, man. I'll show you, like, serious shit. But for the rest of my day, I'd like to be approachable, you know, and fun-loving and love my friends and family.

That one is, like, even more important to me. I think that's why TJ responded to it. Is that true, TJ? Yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. I think that's why TJ responded to it. Is that true, TJ? Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. I think you nailed it. Yeah, yeah, I think because he's the same kind of guy and that's his point. And, but that's kind of my point.

A lot of tough people are emotional. But it's kind of my point is that, that we have to balance these things. You know, we become all this or all that. Now, I think there's a little, you know, the famous philosopher Hegel had a theory that we go one direction, then another, and then make a synthesis.

And that's what I'm kind of liking about this is that we got so hysterical and emotional, I almost didn't recognize this. And then a part of us need just to harden the fuck up. Not all of us, not in the absence of everything else, but occasionally just we need to. No, it applies more than ever. What I'm going through right now, absence of any, everything else, but occasionally just, we need to. No, it applies more than ever. What I'm going through right now.

First of all, there's so is a lot of the other, the rest of us, a lot of us lost their jobs. So you're all in the same pocket as me. And as a guy that's been down and, and done both, I've used both.

I've been really, really sad and I've done it in skateboarding where I lost it all, and I was into grunge, and I was doing heroin, and I was like, it's all over. I may as well die. And I tried that angle, and that didn't work out. That was a bad angle. Note to self, don't go down that road again. Whenever I've done well in life, I've been high-spirited

and knew that I was impossible to defeat at whatever it is I was doing. I knew it. Not, I think I can get, nah, I know, I know I'm there. I'm already there. It just, you didn't, you haven't got the memo yet, but I'm already on top. That's the only way to look at it. And now that I've done both, which one you get. You should talk about that more. That kind of knowing thing is kind of an interesting thing yeah that's an interesting thing chills i start to like get teary-eyed like i'll go to the beach and i talk to the you know i mean to the my brother the cosmos whatever it is everybody out there everything all energies and i beg for the power to do the right thing like to the point where I'm fired up and

that doesn't happen when you've got a job it's it's it's true I had the first time I experienced something like that I was I was playing high school football and we'd come back from this great deficit on a football game and there was like five minutes left in the game and we kept this team back in their own territory and it was time to punt and i just knew i was going to go block that pot i just i it was already a four guy i just it already happened in my head i didn't know i was also going to make a touchdown with the balls up but i knew for sure i was going to block that punch it was going to happen and all of a sudden i was it happened but my thought was and i don't think it's a distortion because my thought was so clear

yeah like i'm it's gonna happen now you know it could have been some 350 pound guy there that got in the way of it it could have happened also but it's those moments where you're just sort of knowing what you can do you're seeing it ahead of time those are pretty powerful moments yeah no there you should talk about those more because i think people benefit more. It's kind of on the nose. It's hard to not talk about that right now. Brady. Hi. Hey.

Hi, sorry. Can you guys hear me? Gotcha. Yep. Okay. First of all, Jason, I'm so happy to hear you back on the air again. I watched all your live streams so far. You guys practiced with the guys. Everything sounds so good.

Awesome. Thanks. I was so devastated. My wife actually got me flowers when she broke down the news to me because I don't have social media. Oh, no. I had no idea where you guys were. Oh, no.

And I actually work operating heavy equipment. I'm not allowed to have a cell phone or anything like that with me at work. I used to record all your serious shows and transfer them to a data stick so I could listen to them on the largest truck in the world. And I always thought it was so cool that I get to listen to you and operate this giant piece of machinery. But I was wondering, I do that for 12 hours a day and hopefully if everything goes well i was wondering if you're if you're considering doing a longer format again

an hour and a half a day from 12 hours i i can listen to you all fucking day so so sort of more rogan rogan-esque long formy stuff you should maybe turn the awesome show out of that it's easy for me to to do that it's just a matter of i live in a i live in a podcast world where they said they right now they do one and it goes for an hour and a half but they said if everybody asked for it then we that's what we give them so in a perfect world if everybody's like you and they want uh like hours of content five days a week well then that means i have sponsors for five shows a week and that means that we make tons of money and then i know the guy i go if i go hey guys

did you know that if you know maybe we we could just do this and everybody'd be happy then we'll do it but on the other side dude even if we don, if we do Patreon shows and we do that show and Telly has a show and I have my own separate show and I do another one with Tony and Kevin has a show. If you have a smartphone, you have a lot of content and that's worst case scenario. But I'm with you. I think that SiriusXM people that have come to see us would rather that we did more shows and we are self-sufficient as of this morning. It's great. Brady, thanks for that call. Two quick comments and we're going to take a little break here.

Dunn 9977 on the stream. You've got into the Janssen Johnson & Johnson vaccine trial, which is an excellent vaccine. I signed Susan up for it because I figured that's the only way she's going to get the vaccine sooner than later. I signed up for it myself. I may actually go ahead with it because the vaccine rollout is so incompetently managed in Southern California. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to get access to the vaccine before February or March. Everything I see, yeah, it looks bad. It looks bad. So I may just risk getting the placebo

and get on that Johnson & Johnson vaccine trial myself. The J&J vaccine is a more traditional vaccine. It's more like other vaccines that we're accustomed to. The mRNA is sort of a new technology. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is sort of an old-fashioned vaccine, and it looks quite good. It looks quite good. The other comment, I seem to have forgotten it was for you uh-oh

i have to get tested every week do you have a hookup on that no i don't you can buy the stuff at walmart though now you can buy the you can do a rapid test no yeah yeah wait shove it up your nose and then it tells you the answer essentially not quite that simple but let's look up walmart covid tests you can just buy it online there's some pop-up place in my house and it's like 200 bucks. I'm like, man, I don't want to do this every week. Uh,

Walmart COVID test. Walmart. COVID testing kits. Walmart.com. There it is. Just look right online at home. COVID tests. How much are they?

Uh, shop now. I'm just going to buy a bag of those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wait,

it's instant. It's fast. Yeah. You don't send it in. I think to my knowledge, or maybe you do, maybe, maybe send it in. I don't know. That's I need to do that. Shop now. Shop now. Why didn't it come up? It's fast, yeah. You don't send it in, I think, to my knowledge. Or maybe you do. Maybe you have to send it in. I don't know.

I need to do that. Shop now, shop now. Why didn't it come out? Oh, here it is. They're different tests. Standard Express. They go between $100 and $135. All right.

First, I'll have to look into this, see what we got here. This looks good to me, though. That'll work. It'll work out. Yeah, well, during the break, we'll look at it. Uh, and then, um, I'll think of it during the break. It was something to do with, um, you and where it's going to show up or something. I'll think about it. All right, here's the deal. We're taking more calls. Uh, the number is still 9 8 4 2 3 7 3 7 3 9. Uh, I see you guys on the thread here. I'm

watching the screen as we go. I have people sending in super chats just to make the ding sound for you. Wait, yes. That's what it's called? It's called a super chat? Yes, yes. They're supposed to say their name, right? Yes.

Flipping birdies. Flipping birdies is very… Show them your nipples, dude. Give them what they want. It'll have to be my nipples. Okay, so… Whoa. There we go. Now we're're talking it looks like 24 to 48

turnaround is that what they're saying yeah well good so we can do that for the for the garagos christmas okay right very garagos christmas yeah so maybe we should get a few of those they have two elderly people living in yeah we should really seriously do it i'm not kidding what about hazmat suits what about it you want to do that in christmas well i gave kevin one to wear on the show today and a big skull gas mask the big the big yeah yeah and then make him wear a mask underneath and yeah he said it was very hot in there yeah i didn't feel sorry for him uh again i'll watch you guys on the thread we'll get your calls and we'll get the great the say it again, the great Jason Ellison here. The great.

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You see Mark Garagos' picture up there. We have a little cliffhanger with him. He's going to come back Friday, Susan, is that correct? And he's going to tell us what it is he plans to do in terms of his suit towards the state. Within the next 48 hours. Okay, so he apparently, and we'll have more information about what it is he's doing. It's like a COVID test, you know.

You've got to wait 48 hours. But he really is going to town with this. He is not stopping. He feels the state has become rapacious and unconstitutional and capricious. And they've said it themselves that they have no basis upon which to make their decisions. None. It's the most ridiculous. Listen, the scariest thing somebody can say in medicine is, I have to do something.

Because that's how people kill patients. That's how they make medication errors. That's how they do things. I did many years of teaching, and that's the one thing I would kill the residents about. If they said, I just had to do something. If you do anything, show me the literature that substantiates what you did. And I'll look at it and I'll read it and we'll talk about it. But if you just do something, I'll kill you.

I'll crucify you because that kills patients. Well, one of the things that they were correlating in the court thing, when we found that thing on Twitter, was that they were trying to figure out how outdoor dining was related to ICU beds. So it's not correlating. Correct. That is very true. The county was making that case.

And the judge was saying, those are nonsensical. There's no logical association there. So anyway. I mean, there's a lot of bars in place that were spreading COVID, clearly. But it's probably a younger group of people. It's not, you know, those that are in the ICU. I don't know. I'm just going to say.

We're going to get Kristen in here and talk to Jason. Kristen, go ahead. Oh, sorry. Hold on one second, Kristen. One second. Mrs. Pinsky made a technical error yes of course I did there you are it was all me go ahead we muted you for

a minute there sorry Kristen wait she was here I heard her for a second and now she's gone again all right Kristen you should be on now hi there we are Kristen from Wisconsin hey Chris how are you guys All right, Kristen, you should be on now. Hi there. There you are.

It's Kristen from Wisconsin. Hey, Chris. How are you guys? We're good. I'm so glad to hear that. Hello, hello. I'm so happy to be on the phone with adults. Jason, it's really nice to hear your voice.

Oh. And I've asked this question more than once, and I apologize for the repetition. But I know that you have kids and that this time has obviously been difficult for adults and for kids. And when you mentioned before that you were having a good cry, I understand that. I was crying in my basement next to my radio soft the other day just because I was so frustrated. And I guess my question for you is, how do you manage, you know, the feelings that you're feeling as an adult, but also like balancing that out with trying to be mindful of the feelings of those around you and the kids around you i i'm asking just because i'm looking for any advice i can get because i have three kids myself and i'm not perfect but any advice let me refine what i think we know i understand what

she's saying but let me just i think let me just, if I can bring in a frame here, because we know Kristen, she has been struggling with, she wants to be a perfect parent. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Right. And being stuck at home with your kids, I mean. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah. So how do you balance all that? How do you do the best you can?

You got to realize if you have kids that your kid has to learn that nobody's perfect and you're the so when you fuck up nobody's perfect it's different it's to be different if you're maliciously fuck up who got yourself a real problem and yeah maybe you should check yourself but if you make an act if you if you have an accident in it but your your intentions were pure she she thinks she thinks she she thinks she yells too much i think okay look okay that i can relate i have a temper i also if i yell it's worse than most people's yell because i big i mean i i my temper yeah i worked hard that's right so what that makes me feel so good. But I have noticed when you just, you made me realize that when it comes to tough times, you know, to me, this time, my kids are old enough to know that I got fired.

You know, so I've had conversations with both of them about it and it's it's definitely sad and it's definitely an emotional thing to know that they know i don't want them to worry about me i mean or worry about themselves like are they worried about like uh you know how they're going to be later on am i going to have any money for them and stuff like that no i don't want them to worry about any of that but it's it they're watching they're looking at me to what what do you do when tough times show up so to me this is it's a blessing i'm in a position to show my kids resilience that yeah you don't like when shit gets bad like i get happier i get happier and more motivated and they can they already know that i know that this podcast is going to be gigantic

so they're not worried you didn't hide your fears and and they both know that I know that this podcast is going to be gigantic. So they're not worried. You didn't hide your fears and this. And they both know that I'm terrified too. Yeah. Fears and grief were present for a while. And then you, you adjusted, you're resilient. And I find it now ironic.

Kristen complains a lot that she needs adult contact. And yet when she had a job in the world, it was, it was costuming all the Ronald McDonald's on the planet. I can't believe you remember that. Wow. That is a weird job. That is an amazing job.

And strangely, not in Australia. Not at all. Very nice guys. Good to know. Maybe that's what happens if the podcast fails. All right, Kristen,

we'll talk later. Be honest. Almost. We'll talk about that later. Thank you guys so much for taking my call. Wait, Kristen, we'll talk later. To be honest, almost. We'll talk about that later. Thank you guys so much for taking my call. Wait, wait, we both hung on that. To be honest, finish that thought. Yeah, what happened?

Oh, I was going to say, to be honest, every single guy I worked with who played Ronald McDonald, they go by Tom's, and they all lost their jobs after it came out. But they were all really, really wonderful, wonderful guys, except for the lead guy. He was one of the biggest assholes I've ever met in my life. So if you're, if the McDonald thing runs out, cause it's huge. Couldn't you just jump from McDonald to it?

Oh, could you imagine Pennywise showing up at kids' birthday parties? I think it's hysterical. Sorry, I thought you should have wanted that. She should flip to ICP is what she should flip to. Don't do that. So let's talk to Leopold real quick. Leopold. Hey, Dr.

J this Leopold Prosky and, um, wanted to point out something earlier that, uh, you had talked about with, uh, Mark Arrigo. Um, and I'm going to take it from a different angle. I just posted something on local regarding Governor Newsom. He got $3 million in PPP loans. And how can Californians take anything this man says seriously when he's getting paid off $3 million in PPP loans and telling the whole state to quarantine when he's out feasting with friends and violating all the rules. And that goes to yet another point. And I'm going to kind of out you, Drew. You know, we want you for governor. So how do I get on your,

how do we get you on the, how do I get on your election committee? You're going to have to make a strong appeal to Mrs. Penske because that's the main threshold. I'm in now. I'm just like, fuck this guy. Okay? You, sorry. That may not get him in, but I'm finally falling into line. Well, let's see what Jason said because Jason gave it a big sigh here, Leopold. Let's hear his point. First of all, what's see what Jason said, because Jason gave it a big sigh here, Leo Pultz. Let's hear his point of view. Oh, God. First of all, what's that money?

What's that mean again, PP? It's a personal protection loan. It's a loan to keep the businesses afloat. What's so bad about him doing that? They technically can be forgiven. What I don't know if he's asking for the loan to be forgiven or not, but here's the trouble. It a one percent loan and you can only get 50 000 forgiven but the rest is one percent loan if anybody's smart enough they'll take a one percent loan for the next 20 years it's taking advantage of let's put it this way he's sitting pretty while all the restaurant servers have no opportunities for any resources

other than some unemployment so it's it's so this is what i've been troubled with from the beginning if the la county board of supervisors and the leaders in the state are going to make these draconian moves that destroy people they should forego their salaries forget take a one percent loan they should just forego their salaries for the duration that what about other people that don't have restaurants? I heard that motorcycle companies are selling more than ever right now. Yeah, there are people that are… Should they not take their money?

No, no, no. I think people should… So why can't he take the money that… He can. He has a job. If someone else has a job and I don't have a job, you should still be able to keep your job. If you get a raise, good for you.

If you figure out a way to make more money from your job while I get fired, good for you. I don't disagree with any of that, except what if you're the one creating the circumstances seemingly capriciously to affect hundreds of thousands of citizens in ways that you're not participating? Look, if it's malicious, then yeah. Not malicious.

If he thinks that this is for the common good of everybody, which I don't know, I don't pay attention to, because I feel like they're all liars in some way. They've all at least lied to you a couple of times. That's true. So it's hard for me to take any of them serious, but I don't. My thing is when somebody brings up, the only thing I even cared about in that conversation was

that he went to dinner as well and i keep oh i went to the french laundry who cares everybody keeps bringing up that somebody gives you a rule and then they go out and break that rule right i don't care about that i just want to know what is the thing that i'm supposed to really do not donald trump thing i want to know what you really have to do to keep everybody safe. I don't care if you went to a restaurant and you took your mask off. It's kind of like if everybody keeps showing videos of their side doing the right thing and the other side doing the wrong thing, then you guys can just keep fighting and not get to the real problem.

So I agree with you. So listen to it this way. So I was going to bring So listen to it this way. So I was going to bring this up to Garagos when he was here. They keep using a sledgehammer because they don't, they keep using sledgehammers where they close things down. They lock people indoors, things that have never been done before in the history of medicine.

And we have no idea if they work and they do it without seemingly any concern for the effect it has on the many, many hundreds of thousands of lives. That's what I take issue with, as opposed to going in with a scalpel, as we've always done in public health. I brought this up to Susan yesterday. I said, when typhoid broke out in New York City, on Manhattan Island, in the year 1900, what did the public health officials do? I said, I don't know. They found the source, typhoid Mary, and they cut out the

source and they ended the spread. They found typhoid Mary and they ended the outbreak of typhoid fever. And by the way, they tried to isolate her. They had trouble doing it. Another outbreak occurred. They chased it and they couldn't isolate her. They had trouble doing it. Another outbreak occurred. They chased it. And they couldn't take her drug. You're saying they could have done that with this? I'm saying that in the African-American community in Los Angeles, that population is doing better than any African-American group in the country. They're 9% of the population and 7% of the COVID cases. Tell me why it's going so well.

And let's reproduce that over for the hispanic community for them as in recovery no they're not getting much covet and when they get it they were getting more that's the that's the problem everyone's believing the press it's not true they are wait hold on everywhere wait a minute wait a minute everywhere i barely pay attention and i have to hear just like hold on there's lies I know. Well, everywhere else they are. We're worried about being fired. It's more enjoyable. Hang on just a second.

Jason, they are getting it worse most places in the country, but in Los Angeles, for some reason, not. So somebody needs to go in and go, what's going on? Why are things going so good? And then go to the Hispanic communities where it's going terribly and ask, why is it going terribly here? And see if we can figure this out and go in with our scalpel and freaking make a difference as opposed to taking a sledgehammer, closing down

millions of lives for, I can't know. I don't see why. I don't know why. There's no reason. There's no justification for it. And if you'd like to us to sort of say, if your position is, hey, we don't know what to do. We're going to do the best we can we're going to get in here with you and forego our salaries too well then it's like okay i mean it's like all right we're all in this together as opposed to i'm going to take a ppp loan i'm going to go to the french laundry and you guys need to say politician i i know i don't understand why you guys are surprised you're right yeah. Yeah. Listen, I just, I honestly, I do. You didn't know how long it was going to go. He had to get a loan to pay all his business. He has,

he has wineries and stuff. So he has employees. We think, we think that's what he used it for. But I mean, I, I mean, I used it for my employees and ourselves to pay the rent and I have to pay

back anything over 50,000 or whatever. Okay. But I mean, I'm not saying that we're, but I'm also not telling people to close their businesses okay i am right we're telling the opposite we're trying to be away i just don't know how point and fingers saves anybody anything it doesn't but you get my point about you're a doctor and you know other doctors and you have a lot more information that you

that you know is sound yeah i mean you've made a mistake before. Absolutely. So the rest of us, when I see basically almost everything I look at on the news is a lie from one side or the other. So it makes me think. It's true. I lost my job. I'm not in the restaurant business, but pretty sure if the pandemic didn't come,

I'd still be fucking stoked. Probably. I'd be fine. They loved me. So I lost mine. And that might've come from some corporate dude might've made a decision that just made me lose my job. Yes. I got kids.

Yep. So, but I, where's that guy? Just did. What's his nipples look like? What restaurant did he go to? Or I could, I hate to say it,

suck it up. You know what? And create like, try to get okay pandemic man podcasts are free everyone's pretty stressed i could do that you know if i can't i'm gonna invent a new burger so i don't know i'm good i'm not gonna stop i'm gonna keep thinking that that that's what americans should be thinking about the news and the bad information and all the other stuff you care about your friends and your bad information and all the other stuff you care about your friends and your family and you work hard if things are bad think of a new thing keep thinking of ways to get out of it because the strong will survive the ones that crack in under all this shit the ones that listen to the news and go oh my god brain damage those guys are

hanging in there by a thread right now. Yeah. Everybody else that is a little, maybe even being a little clueless kind of helps right now. Because you're not going to live in a bubble. You're going to have to go to the supermarket to get food. Yep. Somebody touched something in there, dude. Exactly. We can all go to Costco,

but we can't sit outside and have somebody serve us lunch. It's funny because I'm gullible. Like I see that thing where they close the restaurants down and i was like oh i'm like wait i can't even go to the boardwalk now without wearing a mask i'm like oh but i do it you could do it but i just i just went along with it i didn't get angry about it at all like some of the other people. I get it. And I would not quarrel with approaching it that way. I just have this, there's so many hundreds of thousands of lives that are not going to be able to pick up.

I know. That's the part that's troubling me. I'm there. True. It doesn't, I might be done. No, no, no, no, no. You don't know that? You don't know that.

Everybody thinks they do. You know that knowing thing you talked about? I'm just saying it can go one way or the other we can all get in big trouble yes everybody should just really still stay positive oh that's i agree with you on that completely gibbering i hold on it's just that the the people that are making it so desperate for so many are doing it capriciously without evidence and then living their life, their best life. So you're right. We shouldn't expect anything else. Because Kim Kardashian's not doing a lot of political decisions, but she's living her best life right now, I can assure you.

They're having restaurants. Maybe the restaurant's closed and it's open just for them, but they're living it too. All right. Let me see if I can get a couple quick questions in here. Lauren, go ahead. Hi there, Dr. Drew. Hey, Lauren. Hi, I wanted to get your opinion, although I kind of already know what it's going to be, um methadone for chronic pain yeah well it that is a prison from which people do not uh come out they do not emerge if you need some sort of chronic medication

well if it's between kratom and methadone i i definitely put cannabis kratom cannabis and kratom against methadone any day but but, but if you're having bad enough pain that they need to think about methadone, use Suboxone. Uh, the, the pain community is finally using lots of that and it's working rather well.

So do you mind if I give you a little bit of background? Sure. Um, so it's my mother-in-law and she's finishing her treatment for pancreatic cancer. Oh boy. And she has, that's not, treatment for pancreatic cancer. Oh boy. That's not chronic pain. That is acute cancer pain. That's very different.

Very different. That's a very different situation and that situation, methadone does become a potential. So does fentanyl. That's what fentanyl was designed for because pancreatic cancer is bad times. She was very early though. She was stage 1A and she only has

one chemo left. She's already had the Whipple. Now it's this sort of pain that's just kind of sticking around and she's ending up with sort of pain that's just kind of sticking around, and she's ending up with sort of depression as well. Well, it sounds like that pain is mostly surgical, and it's not cancer, right? The cancer pain is what the methadone is okay for. So we're talking about surgical pain.

So again, we're back to, you know, I wouldn't be enthusiastic about methadone. There's so many other things that you could put in place of that. And again, Suboxone is worth a try. It's still worth a try in a situation like that. Again, not for cancer pain, but for post-surgical pain, it doesn't seem to resolve that. That seems like a reasonable thing to consider. Alice, go ahead. Hey, how are you? Good talking to you. I was going to diverge a little from my questions.

I have another show-worthy thing. I know a lot of people are getting really sick of the isolation and all that kind of stuff. I've basically been a little less careful. I mean, I still wash my hands, which I did anyway, and do that, but I'm really looking for people who are willing to break that so we can get together.

I share your frustration, and I feel the same way about the need for in-person contact. I feel very strongly that you guys have some of that. Yeah, and these Zoom meetings are just a nightmare. They just don't hold up. They've been great. They got us through, but they only go so far. I mean, I'm just telling you, spending time with people I'm finding to be exceedingly important. You can do it safely.

You can sit outside. You can sit a few feet apart. You can wear a mask if you want. I mean, there's ways to... I know. It's just getting colder here, and a lot of people aren't as hardy as I am. But it's just horrible, and it's going to mess up people for decades to come.

What if you hire me to go to your house and I'll bring, like, bug assault guns and you can shoot me in the spade? If you want me to hire you, you can hire me. I need a job desperately. I should be enjoying retirement, but I'd hire you for something. Hell yeah. I'm available.

You've got a job. You've got a job. I don't know what. No, I need a job and I'm so upset about it. I'm sorry. Yeah, well, your show's been great. It's been nice to have this web surf and then also listen to something. Yeah, it's about building community.

It's about us getting together. It's us being sharing together. We did a Zoom meeting on Locals last night and I swear to God, we just chatted with a group of people for an hour and a half or something. And I had a— I wanted to get on that, but my Zoom messed up. It did a radio job I had messed that up, and it messed the Zoom up for Locals. And I'm sick of this because I really need to get on Zoom again. Well, I've got to tell tell you that's a great idea I had a really super busy morning with patients that was

very depleting and at the end of the day I thought wow I was very effective and I felt really good about it so what's different I said oh I was refueled by hanging out with people yesterday what's this thing you're doing well we'll tell you about it. You need to do it, too. You need to do it. Locals, it's another thing. I think if it wasn't for the internet, I mean, luckily, if this had to happen in my lifetime, I'm so glad there was the internet. Well, give it a little plug. Well, what's my

drdrew.locals.com, is that it? Yeah, drdrew.com slash locals. Or drdrew.locals.com. Dr. Drew. You sign up. And you become a subscriber. And then you get behind the scenes stuff.

And then. Yeah. You can have differing. It's. It's. It's a community. Some of it is subscribed. And some of it is just people that follow.

And some of it. What do you do on there? I do Zoom meetings. And chats. And follow people. Zoom meetings with other people. Yeah. We post things that when you put it on Twitter.

You get shit from it. From all the trolls. So we just put it there and then we do other things that i opinion things i want to think about and talk to other people about i share ideas there that on twitter i'd be like they don't censor your content and also like the casey gates is one of the people on there and he has zoom meetings for the other people that are in our group so they all sit down it starts it starts building its own little community it's really it's really kind of interesting thing it's very cool once a week we have all the locals on our show on the ask dr drew and let them come on the zoom and just chit chat with you so we we bring the zoom put them on the screen everybody and then stream our conversation oh yeah it's a

lot of cool stuff you can do it's really fun i could do that yeah yeah you could i mean this is this is this is what i this is what I remember a half hour ago. And now I remember what I wanted to ask you about, which is, isn't it incredibly freeing to use digital platforms where you're not worrying about an engineer, a radio tower, an administration, a sales force, all that infrastructure is due directly to the people you want to communicate to. It all seems like the greatest gift I've ever been given.

There's just one last piece. Uh-oh, what's that? Is everybody going to listen? That's the end of it. Well, I'll tell you. One part of me that I can, I'm not at this guru state yet where i'm like oh you know money what is that right you have to make a business out of it you have to yeah right so

to be successful is that that's a big piece of this working to me yep you know yes it looks like it's because yeah the freedom already i can tell i. I mean, for once, like for one, I got a studio that has all my stuff in it. Nobody else's, nobody else is allowed to go in it. It's mine. It's in my house. That's crazy, right? That we're already off to a better start than we've ever been. Right. Good for you, man. Joe. Hey, man.

Perfect timing, Dr. Drew. I was going to talk about locals since you did. Okay. Fair enough. perfect timing dr drew i was going to talk about locals since you did okay fair enough and um you know uh we we have our we have our zoom uh we had our zoom party last night when uh you were on and it was great yeah it was really fun and i tell you it made it made just sharing with people for a while, it helped me emotionally the next day. Next day. I was more effective in my… You're an emotional guy too, huh?

Oh, bad. Wow. That makes me feel better. You didn't know that? It's hard. You're pretty… I noticed you even killed when you were around. I heard Stern talk about this morning.

He was like, I'm fragile. I'm fragile. I kept thinking to myself, yeah, that's an interesting way to describe yourself it's because it i get fragility i get that i get that i think knowing you're fragile makes stronger yeah yeah you can you can manage it you can deal with it it's like being an anxious person too i i know i have anxiety it's like i always used to go with the i do better if you're mean to me when you're teaching me stuff so i've always been under the impression that when I can't do something athletical, I get angry.

And then I start bashing myself to get it done. And then from years of noticing that other people, when I would do that to them, reacted in a negative way. And I was like, wow, what a pussy that guy must be. And then 20 years down the road, I realized that you didn't actually want to hear that either. Like, encouragement goes a long way. It's actually kind of good, and you can get the job done even better. Joe, I'm trying to get through a couple of calls here, so I'm going to put you back on hold, okay?

Yeah, absolutely. All right, man. Thank you. Joe is a meteorologist. We know Joe, too. Oh, shit. There was somebody else here that was asking. I'm sorry, you guys, if I don't get to everyone's questions. I feel, and I'm moving rather quickly through this. Okay,, I hope I could talk just and ask a couple questions freely. I really appreciate your honesty on Fox News recently,

but as a doctor, you took an oath, and does it really make sense if you test a vaccine on 300,000 people, that doesn't prove it's safe for seniors who are frail and taking a lot of drugs. So hold on. So it does. They were required to study all different populations and they have to design the such a way that the numbers in which they study statistically bear out safety. So the fact is that's how all medical studies are done. That's just how they're done in terms of testing products like medical equipment,

drugs, medication, and or vaccines. They didn't test on seniors that are sick in nursing homes? I believe they had, I don't know about sick in nursing homes. That's an interesting question. I don't know if the sick in nursing home would get it or if they might withhold it

from extra frail because people do get sick from this vaccine. Here's the thing about nursing home patients, Chris, the life expectancy is six to 18 months, right? That's, that's the average life expectancy in a nursing home. So if you're trying to, to push past that, um, you have to, the doctors who are caring for those patients have to assess that risk. Okay. Well, um, I've got a video of Joe Biden in which he said 10 years ago that 10 million seniors are taking 10 or more medications right now. That's true. Poisoning them.

Not only is that true, not only is that true, there's not, is that true, but, but in terms of healthcare dollars, $7 for every $1 is spent in the last couple of years of life. And so the,

the $7 is spent $1 spent on a 10 yearold for every $7 spent on the last year or two. Does that make sense? I appreciate you allowing me to say that, Dr. Drew, because you could be a real hero. That five-minute video with President Obama and Senator Kent Conrad, that's from 10 years ago. All right, we'll take a look at it. He said, you're getting poisoned. Well, we'll take a look at it. Well, we'll take a look at it. Listen, polypharmacy is a major, major, major problem. Listen, man, I'm

sympathetic to your point. Trust me. All right, my friend, we got to kind of wrap things up here. Let's give a review again of where you're going to be, what's happening. My head's swimming a little bit in terms of where I'm going to find you. I don't know. I see the Awesome World Podcast has three different names.

People are like, if you go on Spotify, if you have an Android, you can only watch it on Spotify. So if it was on iTunes, people can't do a five-star review unless they have an iPhone. So I didn't know that. And Patreon, it's Awesome World Patreon. And then there's going to be a Jason Ellis Show Patreon. And now there's going to be a jason ellis show patreon and now there's going to be jason ellis on locals now i'm thinking i don't i don't think locals is coming this week i i don't even understand maybe we can get caleb to hook up your website so there can just be a place to go and find everything carol bowman is happening carol bowman is asking i forgot to mention this product was uh mentioning will my iwan kill dust

mites not that I am aware of. It is bacteria and viruses. Hold it near your face. Ten seconds near my face. Don't put it near your face. So people can see it. Not on your face, not on your eyes. No, I don't mean on your face. This is it. It's a UVC light. It kills, I mean, really

good for your computer. I'm holding it over the computer right now. He's always holding it like away from his body. Don't point it at me, Drew. That's assault. like away from his body i'm pointing at me there it is i'm not putting it away from you see that you guys i just get assaulted by a freaking doctor but what i like about this thing it's a change my behavior i think forever i mean i carry this thing all the time and it's like it's like durable i can put it in my pocket and you really love that thing huh i do love this can i do it it over my food? It's not for organic material. I'll look into that. But your fork maybe.

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I'm a big advocate of UVC light. As long as you use it safely, safely, safely. All right. So I'm going to look for you at Awesome. The Awesome Show. Awesome World. Awesome World. On all podcast thingams.

I'm going to predict that awesome world is gonna possibly be a longer podcast i have this feeling that that's gonna be the one where people that would just want to hang out with you are gonna hang out with you for long periods of time when they're allowed to i'm looking forward to that yeah uh and then the jason ellis show really i'm gonna listen to that the way i listen to the jason ellis show that's how we're trying to deliver yeah yeah i think that's going to be great. In time, everybody. I'm going as fast as I can.

I just appreciate everybody's support. And when it all goes up, that's when I really need everybody. So in the meantime, just know I'm working my ass off to getting you some content. And you will see me pushing it the hell out on Twitter and everywhere else.

So happily do so. Uh, Cathwood can help you out with this too. Yeah, he's going to be on. We love him. Yeah. It's a Jason Ellis show.

Always has my Cathwood. We have to. Great. And, those are your callers. I, sorry, I didn't get to everybody.

I can't do it. I always feel bad leaving somebody behind. I think we're going to do zoom with the locals on Friday. So it, uh, anybody who missed it, sign up on locals, and we'll have the Zoom link available behind the subscriber wall for at Dr. Drew.

And then you can also find it on my – follow me. I'm Dr. Drew's crew. Or Dr. Drew's crew, however that comes out for you. Dr. Drew's crew. Drew's crew. Joe Giannotti, who we were talking to a minute ago, wants to know where he can get one of those hazmat suits. Where he can buy the hazmat suits.

Jeff Bezos has them. Amazon. Oh, yeah. You should get them with your logo all over it, Jason. I don't think it's going to be. I don't have the money for that right now, but he did not do very well in that suit. your logo all over it, Jason. I don't think it's going to be, I don't have the money for that right now, but he did not do very well in that suit.

He got real sweaty and he started to regret it. So then we took him out of that and I got him on all fours on the table and pulled his pants off and shot him in the balls with a bug assault gun. Because I bring the entertainment, Drew. Entertainment, man.

Machine. Pitsky Steve Ellis. Bringing you the entertainment. You can't get enough of this. We're in your fucking face all day. And I want to put that on our Locals account. Send me that clip. I'm going to be on Locals as well.

I'm going to be on Locals talking to him on Locals and on Twitter simulcast. Like he said, we'll see you guys tomorrow around the same time for a dose. Fucking going for it, you guys. The great Jason

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