Ask Dr. Drew - Jeff Dye: California Wildfires Were Caused By “Government Corruption & Negligence” w/ Joel Pollak of Breitbart News – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 445

Episode Date: January 18, 2025

“If you thought I was annoyingly political before these fires destroyed LA you’re really gonna be annoyed by me now,” writes comedian Jeff Dye. “This is why Californians pay the highest taxes: So that their government can completely fail them in their time of need.” Jeff Dye is a nationally touring comedian, actor, and host who has appeared on NBC’s “Better Late Than Never” and multiple episodes of “The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon.” His comedy special “The Last Cowboy in LA” was filmed at Nashville’s Electric Jane. Dye hosted over 130 episodes of FOX’s “Who the Bleep is That?” and starred in shows including “The Masked Singer,” “Girl Code,” and NBC’s “I Can Do That.” His albums “Dumb is Gooder” and “Live from Madison” reached Billboard’s top 10 comedy charts. Find more at https://jeffdye.com and follow him at https://x.com/jeffdye Joel Pollak is Senior Editor-at-Large and In-house Counsel at Breitbart News. Born in South Africa and educated at Harvard, he holds degrees in Social Studies, Environmental Science, and Law. Pollak served as chief speechwriter for the Leader of the Opposition in South Africa’s Parliament and completed an MA in Jewish Studies at the University of Cape Town. He’s the author of “The Agenda: What Trump Should Do in His First 100 Days“. Follow him at https://x.com/joelpollak 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

and welcome back everybody we have an outstanding show planned for you today the great jeff die is sitting next to me you'll see him in mere moments he's a nationally touring comedian actor appeared on a million television shows comedy special the last cowboy in la filmed in nashville uh also he was a host on the mass singer he's been a girl code oh there he is uh joel cup joel pollack is going to stop by, senior editor at large and in-house counsel at Breitbart News. He's a South African, which I didn't know, Harvard educated, social

study degree, environmental studies, law. Pollack served as chief speechwriter for leader of the opposition party in South Africa parliament. So he will be with us to report on some of the shortcomings here in the California and local governments as it pertains to the fires. Jeff and I live here locally, so we both have a ringside seat and all this.

We'll have a lot to talk. We have a lot to get into today. We'll watch you over on the restream and also on the Rumble Rant. So we'll be back right after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. he was an alcoholic. Because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous.

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slash fatty15. Please welcome Jeff Dye. I didn't realize he and I had been swimming in the same waters for a long time, but you mentioned that we were both on MTV back in the, you know, I quietly was continuously on MTV, continuously until this year, since 1996. What? Wait, until this year? 1996 wait till this year till this year because a teen mom teen mom went 13 years they were saying i aged out at like 28 i don't know how i saw it on email literally there's a reason i'm gone but i i think i i outlasted kurt loder just not quite as consistently on the air forget sometimes that i was on those like big group emails

and they would be like hey we look we've got this new show that's kind of a spinoff of the same kind of prank idea. We're looking for a host that's Jeff Dye-like. And then one of the people was like, just get Jeff Dye. Not knowing I'm still on the thing, they go, Jeff's aging out. I was like, I'm 28. It was hard on the old ego. I felt like a running back in the NFL. They're calling me old and I'm not even 30.

Just get those NFL salaries it'd be great MTV was not good money oh my gosh so so let's talk about your special yeah

Last Cow by an L.A. yeah where, when, why shot it in Nashville where? the Electric Jane which is a really cool music venue

and I love cigars and it's like a cigar place so I sent I sent one to Vanderbilt so we spent a lot of time in Nashville yeah I love Nashville it's the best it's like a cigar place too. So I sent one to Vanderbilt. We spent a lot of time in Nashville. Yeah, I love Nashville. It's the best. It's becoming a little bit

of a weird Vegas-y thing on Broadway. It was not like that when he started at Nashville. Well, he's never regretted giving up drinking. Oh, that is funny. Yeah, that's the true poster. Very Clint Eastwood.

Yes, very good. And also, if you notice on that cigar, I'm going through my cowboy phase, but that cigar has a red pill my cowboy phase but that that cigar has a red pill on it and oliver barrett who made the poster design the poster came up with the poster he was like i think this is a perfect way of you sitting back and observing what's going on since covid and black lives matter and all that like you're really you're really getting into your cowboy phase brilliant uh my next tour is calledendetta Ride, which is also a tip of the hat

to Tombstone. V for Vendetta. Well, you know about Tombstone, like when Wyatt Earp decided, you know, screw all this, I'm burning it all up. Oh, yeah.

I'm going to shot all those cowboys. That's the next one. When's that coming? That'll be in the next year, yeah. Can we invite us, please? I want to go see that live. That'd be so fun. Would that be in Nashville also?

You don't know yet. No, that'll be all over the country, but I'm not sure where we're, probably in Austin. Okay. Yeah, I'm fun. Would that be in Nashville also? You don't know yet. No, that'll be all over the country, but I'm not sure where we're probably in Austin because I'm moseying that way. We were on your mom's house platform for, I did a show called Doctor After Dark there for

four years, five years, something like that. We spent a lot of time in Austin, so we know that town well. It's turning into something even more fun. Well, the center of gravity of comedy kind of moved down there. That's probably the only reason I'm so interested in it. But it doesn't feel as exciting. Comedy doesn't feel as exciting in other places as it does in Austin right now.

Well, that's Joe. That's Joe and Tom and Christina. And they have that big festival, the Moonlight Festival or something? Moon Tower. Moon Tower, yeah. Which has always been good. Oh, my God. Is that a great festival?

So where'd you grow up? I grew up in Kent, Washington, just south of Seattle. and so that's thus the seahawk fan oh yeah seattle mariners seattle seahawks and then rest in peace my sonics did you go to school up there i went to school in kent washington yep so you know mckale's from up there yeah i love joel joel's great and and he played football for washington i don't know if joel sold his soul or if he's aging in reverse or something, but when you look at how long he's been doing it, he was on Almost Live. I used to watch him. If me and Joel were hanging

out at the Grove or something, he'd go, look at those two guys of the same age and probably went to school together. No, he's done everything. I used to watch him when I was young on Almost Live. It's funny to me because I have the same relationship with him that you have with him. In other words, he used to come on Loveline, and he said to us the early times he was on, early in his career, he goes, because I used to sit and watch and think to myself, if I could just get on this show, then I will have made it.

Then I know I'm done. That's great. And he obviously went on way beyond that so good for you John so he's in that new show about the animal and so Susan's recording he's on a new show about an animal oh no yeah it's a sitcom

yeah it's scripted again it seems like the community people are distributed all over NBC right now he's so good at that single camera stuff too and he's such a good actor and as TV is dying he seems stuff too. And he's such a good actor. And as TV is dying, he seems to still survive it.

He's doing great. He's doing great. And I have nothing but kudos to Joel and the nicest guy in the world. He's the best. Truly, truly nice guy in the world. Really good guy. Good dad, good husband. Everything.

Just a great person. Another great comedic actor, I wanted you to think about Andrew Santino we just ran into him last week and Andrew I think is quietly one of the best comedic actors I've ever seen for me

he just so quietly nails it every time he walks on a scene I think he's a genius and he's being recognized in spades it's starting to get there for him are you doing more acting coming up? I'm not interested in acting I think he's a genius, and he's being recognized in spades. It's starting to get there for him. And are you doing more acting coming up? I'm not interested in acting.

But you did reality, spoofing. I love hosting. Hosting, okay. And I loved, when I was younger, I loved the prank stuff. I've always kind of just liked to be me, and that's not very good acting. When they're just like, this guy's just playing himself the whole time. Well, that's the hardest thing in acting, don't you know? Yeah this guy's just playing himself the whole time. So, I think. Well, that's the hardest thing in acting, don't you know?

Yeah, that's a myth. That is bullshit. I agree with you. But the people that do play themselves all the time in movies, it's because we like that person. So,

they put them as them person. Exactly. But I think that unless I just get to completely be me, I'm not that interested. How did you get involved in the sort of prank stuff? How did you get interested in that?

I've always liked that type of humor. But I want to know, is it Jamie Kennedy? No, let's go way farther. Okay. Is it Candid Camera? Jonathan Winters used to brag about all of his prank calls and things at a very young age. I don't know. I won't give my parents credit for it because they just weren't into that kind of stuff.

But I think maybe a friend or somebody gave me like Jerky Boys. Okay. And I was obsessed with Jerky Boys. Okay, so there it is. And then my sister, who I had a lot of sisters, but one of my sisters that we were always bumping heads because we were closest in age, when we did bond on something, I was like, I felt like I've unlocked something.

And so me and my sister, that sister, we would sit and put these cassette tapes in this machine. And we would kind of like just come up with little characters we would do back and forth. She would always play kind of the straight man, not knowing even what that was. And I would always be this absurd kind of character saying inappropriate things or things our parents would think we'd get in trouble for. And then my sister, we would be making each other laugh. And then I'd be like, let me hear it. It always ended with, let me hear it now.

Because I was like so excited by like, I'm being funny on her. And that was kind of the inception of me doing those kind of things. There's always a origin story in comedy. It's interesting. Yeah, I have a few that are all related to stand-up or comedy. Well, and also I've heard you talk about the sort of the deprivation of your family of origin. Now, I've not heard about a bunch of sisters. How many sisters were there? So I technically only had two older sisters, three years apart, three years apart. But there was so many girls coming in and out of like the

chapters of our lives that like I call this one woman, Tabitha Hess, my sister, because she was really close with my sister, Jen. Got it. And then there was another one, Bobby Jo, and she was like inseparable with my oldest sister, Janice. And so I'd always be like, oh, my sister. So sometimes in my act, I sound like I have five sisters. Sometimes in my act, I sound like I have two, which is the truth. I have two biological sisters.

But then sometimes I say one sister because my oldest sister passed away. Oh, what happened? So then I also don't know how to like navigate. People say, how many sisters do you have? And I don't want to bomb them out. So then I just go, oh, I got one. Or I used to have two.

I don't ever know what to say. What happened? Distracted driving. Her or not somebody else? Both her and the people that crashed into her. Oh, boy. Yeah, very tricky. Up north?

It was in Oregon. Yeah. Was she an adult then? Worst day of my life. Yeah, she was in 2015. Oh, my goodness. She was probably 40. Oh, organ. Yeah. Was she an adult then? Worst day of my life. Yeah, she was in 2015. Oh, my goodness. So she was probably 40. Oh, kids?

Yeah. I just had her first baby. Oh, my God. That was like one years old. Wow. Yeah, it was very sad. And that child doing okay now? Yeah, he's awesome.

And he gets a ton of love because of the circumstances. And so he gets a lot of attention. But I'm obsessed with that little boy. He's also the only boy. Oh, it's great. So that's kind of fun. Nothing funnier than a sister being killed in a car accident yeah, a lot to work with but the deprivation intrigued me

because I think you were talking about it on Corolla's show on Corolla's podcast maybe I'm probably talking about Tiger Belly the most, but do you not listen to that? I don't know where I saw I do listen to Tiger Belly I don't know where I saw i do let's talk about i don't know where i saw this um but it intrigued me maybe in my head i put coral in it because he also grew up deprivation oh interesting and and i've never heard this term deprivation um there's

another word let me think of it um sort of um impoverished okay like an impoverished upbringing there was not a lot of familial richness and ritual and family emotion. It's just an empty set. Parents that aren't into anything. That's a thing. Impoverishment has many different flavors to it.

But I felt like yours and Adam's sounded very familiar to me. What's interesting to me, I see what it did to him. You came out very social. He didn't want to do anything. I want to do everything. That's exactly what he got. But his was more on the sort of mechanical and all these other things. He wanted to

race cars and do all these things. It feels like it's more social. Yeah, my social motor is unmatched. Like, we could hang out. Like, if you were like, you want to have smoked cars? I'd be like, yeah. And then you'll try to leave after four hours. I'd be like, yeah, let's get dinner. You know? out. If you were like, you want to have smoked cigars? I'd be like, yeah. And then you'll try to leave after four hours. I'd be like, yeah, let's get dinner.

And then you'll be like, hey, I think we're good. I just keep going. Filling that void that they left behind. I used to try to get my friends drunk just so they'd stay the night. I was like, just crash in the guest room. We'll get up, we'll get coffee. And everyone's like, what is wrong with you? For those of you, let me look at the reason really quick.

I'm sorry, guys. Oh, my restream didn't turn on. I can't help but get into people's stories, you know? And so we'll talk politics and stuff in a minute. Yeah, thanks, Bolton Salt, pointing out that I'm old. Does the emptiness that they left you with affect you in your romantic relationships? I mean, it has to right right i don't i would you're not aware of it yeah i wouldn't know how to like communicate that

well because sometimes people go well i'm i keep hooking up with that i keep finding you know birds to fix or i keep finding sure or i become the one that tracks that or any bad pattern i have of dating has nothing to do with the parents. It's just you. It's all you. Well, I'm like every other guy. I'm going, they're beautiful. What could go wrong? And everything goes wrong, you know?

I look for none of the red flags. I look for none of the personality. I just go, gorgeous. I can have that. Well, there are theories that if you objectify too much, it's rage. Oh, interesting. It's actually a rage underneath that. Really?

I'm a pretty peaceful guy. I've only raised my voice twice in my life. It converts. You're not experiencing it. It's all way far away. Interesting. Yeah. So the way we came to know you most, though, was through Gutfeld. Yeah. Although I've seen you

everywhere and all this other stuff, but I feel like I, I don't know, I feel like we were sharing The way we came to know you most, though, was through Gutfeld. Yeah. Although I've seen you everywhere and all this other stuff, but I feel like I, I don't know, I feel like we were sharing a project with that one. Absolutely. Because I've been going on Gutfeld since he was on Red Eye.

And for me, and I saw Greg's talent early and often, and I really, and of course, Kat and Tyrus, I was like, oh my God, these guys are geniuses of a certain type.

And Kat has become a good friend and she had her wedding at our house and stuff. Oh, nice. That's a really good friend. They're all, we're close with all of them. And so I feel like- None of my friends are famous. If I named any of my friends, I'd be like, guess where I had my wedding?

They'd be like, some guy named Brian. Some guy can't, some guy- Just nobody. No one of any- We had the Puget Sound. I think I'm doing it wrong. Everyone's hanging out with all these famous people. Well, you get sort of drawn into the mutual project

as you're working on the same thing together. But I think I told you off the air that I had early said, I think this is a five-day-a-week show, and it turned out to be such. And your stuff there, I look forward to all the time. It's really good. But I was surprised to see you on the show when you first got there, I look forward to all the time. It's really good. But I was surprised to see you on the show when you first got there

because there's a certain amount of risk going on the show, right? And for me, here, let me tell you my story really quick and then you tell me yours. Mine was, I used to do all news, everything, just news. You have something to say, they needed some expert, I'd go on the news. Whether it was MSNBC or CNN,

today's show, The View, I did The View a hundred times or whatever. And you just go on these shows and you speak. Good for the brand. Jenny, if you're, you don't forget, Jenny McCarthy was one of The View panel members. I didn't know that. And she used to, she asked me on for her birthday and a few other things. But anyway, over the years, I did these things a million times.

And then all of a sudden, the Trump presidency happens and things get weird. Now, in there, my show on HLN, I was on CNN HLN every night, and my show got canceled. I made some comments on the radio that Breitbart misrepresented and ended up freaking out CNN. I was no longer welcome on CNN. It wasn't even

what I said. It just freaked them out. So I thought, all right, well, I'll just do other shows. All of a sudden, nothing. You can't say anything. And then COVID hit, and I urged caution with some of the excesses of COVID. Lockdowns, masks, vaccines,

just kind of, let's look at these things. How dare you? You want to kill people. Fuck you. Okay. So all the way along, though, Greg always welcomed me in. And I thought, that's a great show. I love being a part of it. I'm going to kind of lean into that and be a part of Greg's thing.

And then what happened somewhere about six or seven years ago, all of a sudden it is, well, if you're on Fox at all, you can't do anything else. You're not allowed to do anything else. Like, really? Why? And I sort of pushed that away a little bit for a while and um in the last like four months i thought oh that's just the way it is so if i

want to do news i'm gonna have to do hannity and lauren all these other shows maybe get on real america's voice or all these other there's all these other sort of changing though now you feel like that still kind of the same yeah but you think it's going to start swinging back right i mean do you feel that it will everything's swinging in weird directions i don't know what form it's going to take do you have a sense of it no i don't but the fact that whitney cummings feels safe enough to rear her head shows that it's swinging back well i don't think it's brave for her to come out now she did did it in the 11th hour when everything's swinging back. Similar to Mark Zuckerberg

has now got a new haircut and is hanging out with Dana White. It's almost as if these people are going, oh, things are switching, switch teams here. It's like, which is great, switch teams. I am happy about it. I'm just saying it doesn't feel as cowboy-ish as being brave enough

to speak out when it's good to speak out. There was no red pill on your cigar. Right. It's literally like going, well, yeah, now. And by the way, was that from the good, the bad, and the ugly? Is that what that pose was from? I don't know. We've got to find out. Caleb, I think

it's a demo. I'm not looking find out. Caleb, I think it's a deep cut. I do. What is it? He'll look. But I want to defend both Whitney and Greg. And Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg is just a businessman. He's doing what his business is expediting. He's responsible to

his stockholders. And so to me, he's just doing what they do. I mean, the fact that he caved to the government is reprehensible, it's disgusting, it is cowardly, and I would like to see him say something like that. Like, really express regret.

And be specific. Don't say, they were telling me, they, who? Who did? I want to know, because that is a crime. I think it is. I think it's a crime against... You see things so clear.

By the way, I'm going to defend Whitney a little bit. I don't think Whitney really felt like this before. I think things got clearer. I think she was just... I don't think she had strong feelings one way or another. Now she's like, what the fuck's going on? In Whitney's defense, I am pro-comic and I have always been in Whitney's

corner even when I was invisible to her. But Whitney is, you know, she's a climber. She'll do whatever it takes for business, you know? Good for her. I'm not criticizing her. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Okay, alright. You know, if it's going to help her relationship with somebody, she'll do it. I'm going to get you and she in here together.

That's what I'm going to do. That's my goal now. But it's just like to then go, oh, there it's like all right there she goes well she did to be to be her it's she did it on cnn and it is hard to do stuff there without them kicking you right off the air that election goes the other way she doesn't do any of that that's true yeah it's that election like there's just none of the it's be hard for us to speak honestly oh for. That's kind of what we were speaking to earlier. Like, uh, before we started, we were talking about like the things I have in common with Alex Jones is that I'm not afraid to say it if I think it well now I'm now that gets me in trouble. Nothing makes you feel like more of a psychopath than just being three months ahead of the game. Well, that's what I want to say.

Yeah. So you seem that you have a certain amount of clarity that's coming from something. Yeah. Like, why do you think you have such, it reminds me a little bit, Tyrus has, Adam has this, Corolla has some kind of clarity. You guys are sensitive, you sense stuff,

and when that thing goes off in your head or your body, whatever it is, you know it and you can rely on it. And so you can lean into it. Like Tyrus, it's an example, early and you can rely on it. And so you can lean into it. Like Tyrus is an example. Early and often said, this isn't going to be close. Stop it. Oh, interesting.

He was just like, this isn't going to be close. I'm telling you, it's not going to be close. And Adam, he, 20 years ago, was saying things like, the direction we're going is not, this isn't good. My mom was like this. This is a horrible way to go. Yeah, yeah. So what is it for you that you can lean on that tells you?

What's that barometer or that weather vane? Don't know. I can't pinpoint it, but I can smell bullshit better than other people for sure. Okay. And also, I'm a big Jordan Peterson guy. Okay. From way back? From around the same time he got popular. So during the pronoun issue, for lack of a better term,

with the Section 8 bill. So those of you who don't know where... Why is Nikki Glaser's name up there? Oh, my mistake. Sorry. Oh. No, I put Nikki Glaserff as an example of a comedian who's spoken the truth since the start.

She was on our show in 2020, just spouting out truth and making fun of both sides. Oh, interesting. Well, that's good because I've always been a, I feel like the comedians are sort of the rock star slash poets of our time. And they disappointed me during, some of them, disappointed

me during COVID. I was, where are they? We need you. We need you. And they were quiet. That was very disappointing, but they're back. Again, that's why I'm defending all of them. I think Jordan Peterson really stuck out to me in the beginning because I needed a dad in a way

and I needed a lot of clarity. I needed someone to teach me to grow up. I think I banked on my whole career. My whole childhood was about like, what's good about growing up? And what's good about being serious? And what's good about learning? What's even good about being smart? I had an old album called Dumb is Gooder.

Because the premise was every time I learned something, it just disappoints me. And the most smart people I've ever met in my life are all miserable and arguing and so dumb is gooder. And I learned through Jordan Peterson's work that you got to grow up. You can't be an old baby. You can't be Peter Pan forever. And by growing up, or by quote unquote growing up, I just dove into documentaries and books and reading and all these different things.

And the more I learned, the more I go, everyone is such a pussy. Everyone is so afraid to be honest because a lot of good reasons. They've got all these good reasons to not be honest. You want to lose your house? You want to lose your job? Yeah. I don't think that these people at CNN are as libby as they come off on camera. But is it worth losing the $4 million contract

you have to sit on the desk and get makeup put on your face? Is it worth telling your wife and kids, oh, I was honest today. And now daddy doesn't work there anymore. So they have good reasons, but it just made me realize everyone's a pussy. Everyone's playing by some sort of game. They're all playing like what's going to get me paid. And I've got no kids, no girlfriend, and no wife and nothing to lose. And so I was like, I'm just going to be honest from here. And if that gets me in a ton of trouble, then that's just what a real man would do. Amazing. So a lot packed into what you said there.

So I almost don't know where to start. So real man. Yeah. There's been a deficiency of men being men 100 yeah and do you think millennials particularly had trouble with that yes and i think millennials have an opposite problem they love an opposite they've got obsessed with an opposite so they love when a when a female punches hard and drives a big truck and does anything that isn't classified as female they go they champion her on because it's an opposite.

You know? And if it's a man... Is that from watching too many Transformer movies or something? What is that? I think they just love a contradiction. I think they love, like, if it's a big black bodyguard in front of the nightclub, but he's actually a teddy bear. He's actually a sweetheart. Or the serial killer looks like your neighbor. Wow, he didn't even look like...

Where did that come from? It's the oddest thing. It's fascinating. Oh, a man who can cry and is in touch with his feelings. That doesn't fit in a box. So we must love it and we must champion it. But we get so lost in these opposites that you forget just what is. And that is a strange thing young people do, which is weird. It is weird.

It's a new concept to me that that's what you guys were doing, and I love it. And I also think young people have been told, you know, like, it's okay to be different. It's okay to be these things. It's okay. And so then that not became okay. You must be something different. You must be softer and opposite. Be, gain power or recognition

or something. Yeah, 100%. So Jordan Peterson, I came on to him. I was trying to look for a confluence of anthropology and psychology. And lo and behold, I found Jordan Peterson. This was over 14 years ago, something like that.

And he had these podcasts or they were almost little mini lectures called Maps of Meaning. Yeah, I've read all those. Maps of Meaning is great. But he had interviews with the maps.

Thousands of lectures. Right. I got onto those early. Nice. And so i thought this guy's into something and he because part of a big part of his thing is right what's right what's wrong and knowing the difference when they started mandating speech it wasn't that it was pronouns it was mandated speech he'll say it if it's polite he's not going to say it if you force him to he

was very tuned into the gulag archipelagos and and 1980 and all the previous historians that warned us against where this goes uh and so he said you must stop it here and that's what blew everything blew up for him and that's what that's when you found it but when when i got so deep into it um he has a reading list on his website so those are the books i'm reading and i'm going oh my god like this is some of the smartest work in the world some of the most brilliant literature it's all there it's all there for us for free at libraries and on the internet and what but you go to like barnes and noble it's like a you start seeing the conspiracy you're like oh like you

would think that um frida calllo freed the slaves or something. Like her book is just everything. People don't even know why it's in there. They just go, but she's a woman. And so they encourage this. The bookstores are just full of like, you know, a fat guy with a yarmulke cookbook and like 12 queer ideas for it. Like there's not even literature.

You can't even find the literature in this. Well, there's a literature department. Why? And so I was just reading all these books and reading all these things, and I basically had a mental breakdown. And then that is, like, literally kind of what got me here. Honest. Yeah, honest.

Did you get depressed? Or did you get mental breakdown? It was very broad. Two things at once. But it was like a mental crack. Did you get anxiety disorder or panic or i was manic and treating it with uh with alcohol and pills ah yeah and a lot of mushrooms uh in between that are you sure that shit didn't cause the mania probably i mean i guarantee you yeah but

it was just too i lost a dog i lost a woman i loved i had um the covid which made a lot of a lot of bipolar mania these days from all the hallucinogens and cannabis and all this stuff it's causing it make no mistake about it well but like socially it was a lot for me yeah i get it i get it there's gotta be like to get it all kind of feeds together but the fact that it went from just being severely depressed or hypomanic to mania the drugs did that for you well thank them i was like stand-up comedy is how i get heard you know it's how i get attention it's how i get money and they took all that away and then they said and stay in your house shit and when you're in your house i hope you got angry i want

people to be angry at that it is are you angry are you pissed i was yeah various about i want millennials to be pissed i want people to be pissed at what we we did to them i literally like was stuck in a house with guns and alcohol. And they're like, don't worry about your mental health. Just stay locked up and hide yourself. You also don't have a career. You also don't have your girlfriend anymore. You also don't have a dog.

And on top of that, straight white males are pieces of trash. And there's people parading down your street who might break your windows for it. And I'm like, that's too much at once. Yeah. Yeah. And imagine you were 14 and this was all that. Oh my gosh, yeah. gosh yeah right are you gonna like this is the part when they when they started doing this shit the exactly this is what i i knew

what happened to people i was like this is not this is gonna hurt people yeah broke my brain in a lot of ways fuck you gotta you gotta i don't know how you feel about it i want to tell you what to do but you want to i don't know make, make a movie, a documentary, a book or something where this is contextualized in what they did to young people. I believe that. And now they're like, what's wrong with young people? Why can't they get their shit together? We did it. You broke them.

You broke them. And the way out, it seems to me, I'm going to add to my list with the inspiration of you. I've been saying they need to get pissed. They need to get honest and pissed. Yeah. And I think then you're in pretty good shape. And we're saying they need to get pissed. They need to get honest and pissed. And I think then you're in pretty good shape. And we're going to have to break down. They hate these systems. Everyone always talks about these systems. Well, the systems they taught people

are going to have to be broke down. These new systems of how they teach things, eventually it's going to have to be broke down. Framework. It's tricky. I've got so much more I want to talk to you about, including I want to start next time, we're going to take a little break,

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Save money and be prepared to get nutrient-dense, low-calorie products that are really, really good for you and great for me in diet management. All right, Jeff Dyes here. Jeff Pollack is going to stop by. He ain't getting fucked on the internet. Yeah, I was just saying that because you guys were discussing censorship and things. So we have a YouTube event happening to us. But I'm going to have to bring Caleb in a second to tell what happened here.

But what's your story? Well, I think YouTube's also... My conspiracy against YouTube is like, they pretend to be like virtuous. Like, oh, you can't bully or you can't say the word suicide or death. But then they still let the video live on their thing. You just can't monetize it.

So they've put these hoops there just because those hoops are so get through that they don't have to pay you. If they really were moral and virtuous about it, they would just not let the video be up because they have some problem with those words. A million ills, a million cuts have been perpetrated in the name of doing good.

And as always, social evil is done in the name of good. And they're doing evil by censoring. They go, I get to keep the money. So it's allowed to be up there as long as I don't get paid for it. It's just a weird kind of thing. But that happens to me all the time.

Yeah, not in our case. We just got robots also hear the word trans or bully or something like that, and they just take the video down. It happens to me on Instagram all the time. They took away my Facebook. Wow. We've been downregulated on Facebook. We're going to try to get that back too.

But Caleb, tell the story about YouTube and your tale of woe there. What happened? So basically what has happened is over the weekend, YouTube went and took down two of our most recent episodes just because they didn't like the content that Drew had on the show.

We had a licensed physician on one of the episodes and an attorney on the other episode. And over the weekend, YouTube just took it down. They said it was medical misinformation. And so we actually went down through the timestamps that they specified. These are the parts that have misinformation on it and responded to each of those points,

like withdrews medical understanding and asked them, can we please speak to the physician over on your side who is censoring this licensed physician on the screen here who's been practicing medicine for 40 years, it gets me mad. I get pissed about it whenever I... It was part of that physician, Gavin Newsom, who's...

He's on Zoom with Joe Biden as people's house is on fire going, can you help us? We're getting a lot of bad press. I can't believe that. Yeah, there's a typhoon of misinformation. Yeah, it was a typhoon of misinformation. Yeah, it was not misinformation. Also, do you remember when Republicans used to say fake news? Yes. Or Donald Trump would say fake news?

Yes. And they're like, this is absurd. Yes. You can't say fake news. Yes, it's disrespectful to this. Now that's all the left does. They go, that's not real. They'll literally show a news report of firefighters or reporters going, wait, just talk to firefighters and this fire hydrant's empty. But if you then go, why was a fire hydrant empty? They go, that is misinformation. Also, they started a new word just this week. Libs are using the term disinformation.

They don't even want to use misinformation. Now it's disinformation. Disinformation, I think, is like intentionally distorting things. Oh, now they're accusing you of doing a bad thing with it. It's fucked. Go ahead, Caleb. Finish up the story here. How we ended up with 8 million views.

Drew posted over the weekend about what happened. YouTube creators accused him of spreading medical misinformation and took down two videos that had a medical doctor and a lawyer. Drew's been board certified for 40 years. So that's double how long YouTube has even existed

is how long Drew has been a physician. And by the way, it was Kelly. Kelly Victory is a, not just, she's a disaster specialist. She's an ER, consummate ER doctor. And there it's removed. You see it now. And YouTube did not know who they were messing with. And they, I guess, forgot that they've done this to us two other times before.

And we've made peace with them both of the other times. I called them up on the phone. I had phone conferences with them. Drew had a conference with them. They said they had to fix their system. And we were like, you have billions of hours of content. Of course, you're going to make some mistakes. They did it again. So we joined Rumble.

Then they just did it again this weekend and they got what was coming to them because this post now has over 7.8 million views. Elon Musk is on it. It was a trending topic all day. We're also on X though. Make sure you mention X. We love X. We love Rumble. Those are the two platforms that have

offended us this whole time. Facebook we would like to come back to. We're Rumble. Those are the two platforms that have offended us this whole time. Facebook we would like to come back to. We've been shadow banned over there. If you want to know the exact things... If you get them on the horn, what you should start with is, what if I told you Dr. Drew is a Democrat? What if I told you that?

Tell him I'm a socialist. He's back. He's back. I'm a socialist. You're a Marxist. They'll put you at the top of the page but if you want to go see the exact stuff because Drew confronts each of the points because they give you time stamps now so we went to those exact time stamps and showed this is what

you're saying is inaccurate like the two people on this screen right now they're both physicians these are licensed no one over on YouTube's side is a licensed medical doctor that has any sort of qualifications we have no idea we're fellowships we have all this stuff and and uh and the it's just and the comedy is i didn't i didn't agree with what they were saying in both cases i i'm like i don't think that's true but you're welcome to say it here. Which is the difference between, so I used to work at MTV.

I had a podcast on ESPN with Russell Wilson for a very quick thing. That must have been so fun. I liked it. I had a good time. Russell was wildly unprofessional and just ghosted us. Oh, no. ESPN was like, we can't get a hold of Russ.

I was like, well, I can't get a hold of him either i was like well i can't get a hold of him either and then he hasn't spoke to me since i but one thing that i found strange well he left the seahawks i was just insane i was going what it would like i thought we had a thing going here it just doesn't like it didn't just hurt my feelings personally but it's also like pretty unprofessional so uh what i was gonna say was the um like example, I made a joke to Candace Parker in one of the episodes, basically implying that I didn't know the difference between her and Candace Owens. But I love Candace Owens. And the joke was I had these note cards like, all right, Candace, I'm excited to talk to you. First question, what's your problem?

And then they both kind of looked at me like, oh, I'm sorry for candace owens and i threw it behind my head so i kind of sold out my politics to make a silly joke towards candace parker so then there was this long phone call with espn like hey man we don't do politics on this show that joke was like a little risky we don't do politics russ doesn't want to touch politics um you know here here at ESPN, we don't do politics. So I go, okay. I took my little tongue lashing. And then the next episode, we talked for over two hours with

Chris Paul, the race baiter, about Black Lives Matter. But we don't do politics? This is the most political episode I've ever been a part of in my life. So basically what I got from that is like, no, we don't do your politics. We will decide the politics you will say. Now, when I go to Gutfeld, which just circling back, they let me say anything.

Anything. I'm allowed to go out and if I wanted to, I don't know what world I would, but if I wanted to defend Hillary Clinton or if I wanted to make a good point that was like, hey, guys, let's- I have done stuff like that before. They're fine with it. I don't think Joe Biden is- I think he's getting into- that was like, Hey, I have done stuff like that before. They're fine with it. I don't think Joe Biden is, I think he's getting into whenever I would do that.

I'm allowed to, they might tease me and whatever, but I'm fully allowed to say it. That's the freedom of saying it. Not the producers going, we don't know. You can't say that. It's like,

what is freedom of speech? Definitely on this side, I've experienced it more than that side. Yeah. Well, there, there's a movement in this country that believes freedom of speech is and this is in europe in spades that that it's dangerous and it's it's uh something that uh hates speech it's the oddest thing you've

made someone feel a thing with your words like that's it's all nonsense it is yeah because you you if you had said that a year ago you would have gotten endless shit for it oh i've gotten tons of crap for saying i actually defend people's right look at that put that up again put that up again that is i remember that essay was crazy when i saw it's insane well i defend people's right like when i see a trans person yeah i go usa baby yeah the fact that that person is allowed to be like that, I love this country. I love this country. Good for them. Now, the guy that goes, look at this dumb six-foot-four bearded bitch, I defend that guy.

That's his right to also do that. I think racism and sexism is deplorable, but it's not against the law. You can be whatever you'd like to be in our country but people would then go well you two are on a platform it's not the government it's run by youtube which is a private business like yeah yes of course of course but the the ethical social standing of the conceit of free speech should be in every American soul. 100%. And it should, of course, be ensconced in the law, but it should be defended in all aspects of our life.

And that's what people seem to miss, that when it gets infringed upon, particularly when private businesses are being muscled by the government, that's how it goes goofy, everybody. That's how it goes goofy, everybody. That's how it goes sideways. Read your history. Did Peterson have any history books in the mix there? Yeah, because I see history repeating itself all the time.

I used to hear that cliche. I thought it was over. I thought we got mass formation and all that nonsense. I thought, well, it happened in the 20th century in such a high scale. It's like, we're not going to do that again. Do it again. Here we are.

People are self-segregating. They're going, oh, well, I only hang out with black people, or I only hang out with Asians, or I only hang out with this religion, or I only hang out with this political party. It's slowly segregating itself into what will be, it's not even a melting pot. It's just a bunch of pots. Well, she got a history degree from UCLA.

I'm pointing at my wife, Susan. And at the commencement speech the professor got up and said and is and just and excoriated a melting pot model and said there must be all separate everything separate that's insane and that that it's that it is um sort of uh anti xenophobic essentially to to want a pot. That's crazy to me. And he said that with conviction. And what was that season? 1992? Think about that.

Yes, 1991. Graduated college. Unbelievable. All those things are like, but I see history repeating itself even in weird small ways. Remember cigarettes were like, at the beginning, everyone cool smoked cigarettes. And then cigarettes were like, at the beginning, it was like, everyone cool smokes cigarettes.

And then they were like, even physicians were going, oh, it's actually good for your nerves. You know, it calms your nerves. You know, like, don't go crazy, but we think this is probably fine. You know, it probably helps. And then it was like,

all right, this is killing people. Maybe we should put some Surgeon General. Then it became government, like make sure they know that it'll kill. And then vapes came out by the same men who were selling cigarettes the same companies the same family names they do it with food they did with everything it's like once you start seeing that you go oh man this is tougher than we thought it's worse

than we thought well it's all just playing on our biology in terms of what we respond to in terms of persuasion, hypnosis, commercials, and addictions. Our appetites, we are easily taken advantage of and there needs to be some... Again, I don't want government to tell us what to eat necessarily. When Bloomberg tried to do that in New York, I was very against it. Remember he put all... Do you remember this whole point? I don't know about this. He put calorie counts on everything and he was trying to outlaw sodas in uh in new york city and i was like no no no there's got to be a better way to we got to be much more realistic about human motivation yeah and what you know carrots and stick you can put in place to get us to do what what's bad i wish we would make it more cool socially i don't know about government I wish they would make it more cool socially. I don't know about government-wise, but we should make it more cool to be good.

Like it should be- Well, there was a thing that did that. They called it religion, I think. I know, yeah. The church or something. You're making a great point. About eight years ago said, I think we need a great awakening in this country.

We need something spiritual, something. I agree. I don't want to prescribe what it is, but it's something is needed. When you start having a diet, my buddy this morning, he's at coffee. He doesn't want to eat this lemon loaf. And everyone was like,

just have it. Oh my God. Oh, your stupid diet. And even he seceded. Next month, I'll crush that. But this month, I have to be good. It's like we're so fine with bad behavior, we've just accepted it. You know, like we're just like...

Well, again, where does your moral compass come from? Where does yours come from? You have a lot of clarity. It seems to me you have a lot of clarity. I want to be a good boy. Is it because you went through a little crucible of shit? I don't know. I just think it's better to be like...

Have you always been this way? Yeah. Okay. I just think it's better to be like... Have you always been this way? Yeah. Okay. I just think like, you know, like I... When I drank forever and drinking is so fun and I think, you know, alcohol is great. There's so many positives to alcohol. But then I was like, once I got clean and like my life started coming together and my relationships were better and I wasn't making decisions that I would later regret or later like hold myself hostage emotionally for, I was like, oh, why isn't this

encouraged? Why aren't we making sobriety cool? Like this is a really good thing to have your shit together. Like it's a very positive thing to what, why is it so cool to drink? Why is it so cool to smoke pot and do mushrooms and all this stuff? Like why is that so popular? Which it should be because those are good. There's good things about it. But why can't also making the right choices be popular? Well, and again, I worked in this field for a long, long, long, long time. And so I'm very interested in all those sort of aspects of sobriety.

Are you comfortable talking about it? Oh, for sure. When you say sobriety, what is that for you? I don't do anything. You have a program? Well, what is that for you? I don't do anything. You have a program? How do you not do anything? Do you have a program or are you just-

I do AA once a week, yeah. And that's become like a little community, like a little church. Of course. That's the positive of that. Sponsor steps, yeah. And do you,

has that been your spiritual zone? No, I've always been a Jesus guy my whole life. Always been spiritual. Yeah, my parents were agnostic, so I took to it a Jesus guy my whole life. Always been spiritual. Yeah, my parents were agnostic, so I took to it because it was almost like rebellion. Anything they were. It was almost like rebellion to find Jesus, you know?

So I have always looked at mutual aid, 12-step, as a model for what should be going on. It doesn't have to be called that. It can be called anything you want. But the process of that, and it's interesting that honesty is at the forefront for you because that is the key ingredient

in maintaining sobriety. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. You know, when you're drinking, you tend to deny and minimize and do all kinds of stuff. I lied for a long time.

I was a liar for a big part of my life, which actually helps with jokes. It helps in comedy. It helps with girls. It helps you, you know, with girls. It helps you. You know, it's a great shortcut line. You know, you learn early, like, oh, I could just manipulate these words and then I get a thing, you know?

Like you learn it so young. But then I read a book by Sam Harris, like in 2000, probably pre, I just, I only know it was before 2015, but I'm not sure how much before. But the book's just called Lying. And it's so simple that like, there's not a single lie that will benefit you more than the truth in the

longterm. And he, and the book is like a basically opens it up to people like, give me a scenario. You think or line would be better. And they're like, how about if a murderer is chasing a kid and then the kid runs into your house and you close the door and then the murderers at the door going,

give me, Hey, is that kid in there? Is it okay to lie then? He goes, no no because if you say the kid isn't here now you've sent a murderer to your neighbor's house you know so what would be better is you don't have to give information but just be honest i wouldn't tell you if there was a kid in here and if you keep banging on my door i'm going to shoot you or yeah i've already called the police get lost like those aren't lies that's truth but like you't. There's never a lie is never better.

A lie is never better than the truth. Yeah. And it pulls you in a certain direction that you're now compensating for. Oh, yeah. And people can count on me. They go, oh, that guy's always honest with me. He said my script sucked. You know?

He said I'm an asshole. Yeah, he just said that. Oh, man, you know how many girls have turned around with that? I find you socially repulsive. You have only been a brat tonight. You are demanding people around, and you are beautiful. And I earlier would have loved to have gotten to know you, but you're socially repulsive.

And then watch, they turn it around. They'll be like, hey, you know, I was just drunk, I think. Or I was nervous, or, you know, hey, I have anxiety. And they turn it around. But it's back to something that I never thought I'd be talking about at this stage of my life. But you talked about being a man, but really what's out of that is courage.

And this is a moment for courage in this country, it feels like. I've been saying that for a while. It is, I see it lighting up all over the place. That's good. And it takes courage to be honest. It takes courage to talk about these topics and take whatever YouTube does to me and whatever.

And it was very... Back when Susan set this thing up and the dark hours of COVID, that was sort of the conceit was we're kind of the French underground. And guess what? The French underground required a lot of courage. Yeah, 100%.

Those guys got consequences. Yeah. And my consequences were no near as lofty, but it still took a bit of courage. The good thing about being- Well, it didn't even feel like courage at the time. It just felt like doing what was right. Right.

That's how it should start. And then you can also learn from it. Yes. You can go, oh, I might have been wrong on that. Or like, oh, I thought one thing on that thing and it wasn't true necessarily. But by being courage, you can learn that. That's the beauty of trying to have the conflict.

Because with the conflict comes some resolution. And one of two things are happening. You either get to be right, which feels good, or you get to learn, which is just as good. So at some point, I want to circle back to the books. And I'll just say it while I'm thinking of it right now. It's like,

if you read Dostoevsky or Tolstoy, you've got it all. It's all there. It's all there. And also buckle up. Man, it's depressing. Like I sat there and cried. I never thought I'd cry

listening to a book. Which one? I'm trying to think of the... Brothers Karamazov or something? No. Ivan Illich? Ivan Illich. Yeah, yeah.

That's rough. And you just sit there going, oh, no. I'm sitting here feeling sorry for myself because some female comics are mean to me. But that's how humans die. That was how they died in the old days. And our history has been brutal. And that's not America. Earth.

Yep. So I want to go to the fires a little bit here because Joe Pollard will be in a minute. And I was, Susan, I want you to listen to this too. I was listening to a lot of, I was trying to get my French language perfected. And so I listened to a lot of French media. And there's a French radio outlet I listen to almost every day

that is a talk radio, a little right-leaning talk radio, which in France is odd. And so I got intrigued by it. And I heard them today telling the story of Adam Carolla applying for be a fireman.

I was... I was like, oh my god. I kept listening to hear my story came on about YouTube. I think tomorrow they may be talking about this YouTube story. Because they're clearly watching us over here. And do you know Adam's story? Yes, seven years to just basically be able to apply

and then a young lady behind him applied Wednesday. He told me that story 20 years ago. This is not like a new story. 20 years ago I heard that story, maybe 30 years ago. Now it has more meaning in the shadows of what has happened here.

What is your take on what went on here in uh southern california during the fires i have no prediction of what happened um do you don't tell me what happened what what was your takeaway did you have any kind of experience i i i took some things away i thought that every politician man, every woman has a great opportunity when things go wrong to say, hey, we're doing our best. We screwed up. Or here's something we could have done different. Or, you know, we're with you. I agree.

Not defending what we can very clearly see where missteps or mismanagement or these things. The internet lives. The internet is a living thing. We can go back and watch when you were criticized or when you were whatever or things you've said. There's a record of it. It's unbelievable that people, they behave, the politicians behave as though they never said anything on a microphone or there's no way people could find these things. We find them like that now.

Yeah, and we've got plenty of time while we're homeless at some weird friend's house. So what is curious to me is like, what a great opportunity to just, like when Trump was during the debates and they brought up the Brooklyn Five or the Brooklyn Seven or whatever that was. The only reason we know about that, by the way,

we're not that smart. We saw it on a Netflix documentary. And like all Trump had known at that point with the brooklyn um gentleman is that they had admitted to beating up and raping a woman and so donald trump was like i would have killed him i would have given because all he knows at that time is that they admitted to a crime that's so heinous that he wanted people to like him and he said i would have done. Now we're going years back and saying, you said you would have killed those boys. That was a great opportunity for Trump that he missed

where he said, I was wrong. I didn't even know the information. I only had the information you guys had and I said what I thought was right for that moment and turns out in hindsight, now that we have all this new information, I was wrong. I think we're going to see he has trouble with stuff like that. He has real trouble adjusting course. I agree wrong. I think we're going to see he has trouble with stuff like that. Yeah. He has real trouble

adjusting course. I agree. Karen Bass. I said, I know exactly what I would have said. You know what? I took my eye off the ball.

I should never have left town. It was a big mistake. It will never happen again. This whole situation is as catastrophic as you think it was and it will never happen again. That's all you need.

That's it. And say, I'm with you. Yeah. And let's try to figure this out and then later we can talk about where i screwed up uh but she just ignored people while they're talking to her right by her face she's not on a headset she's not looking at her phone she's just like a like a political robot staring off into space while people like miss bass miss bass and she's just staring there like some weird- It's like she's dissociating or something. It makes no sense.

To me, it looked like, I can't read her mind, but my fantasy was that she's like, I'm the cool kid. I'm the good guy. I know. I went to Africa. I know. You should like me. I'm doing good things. Thank God that seems to be over.

Right. That bullshit that people can hide behind. That has got- Hopefully. I've been saying this for about seven years. You must govern. We need governing. The roads don't work.

And by the way, here's the interesting thing about the fires. You don't hear complaints about Pasadena, right? We had a huge disaster here. You don't hear complaints because this is the video of her looking at the crowd. Oh, yeah. Wow. They're literally asking her questions. So you didn't see this, Susan?

You didn't see this susan you didn't see this video yeah she only internalizes that as they're being mean to me because my genitals and race that's the most crazy part of all of like what's happened in the last 20 years is that no one can just be an asshole it must have been an asshole to you because you're jewish or because you're black or because you're a woman like it makes you then you then go, well, what are we even doing then? Like, why put anyone in these positions? Why have female refs if every time the NBA player yells at the female ref, she's going to go, it's because I'm a girl.

Like, it just makes you want to go forget all of it. It does. And I'm grateful for the progress we have made. It seems like we've had some good things happen as a result of these efforts, but they have also just done horrible damage at the same time. Not because of anything other than taking their eye off the ball of being a governing,

governing when people need government. Speaking of government, Joel Pollack is here. Let me give Joel's particulars. It says Jared, but it's Joel Pollack here. Senior editor at large and in-house counsel at Breitbart. He's from South Africa, educated at Harvard. Multiple degrees, law.

And you can follow him, Joel Pollack, on X. There he is outdoors there in the fire zone. And by the way, Jeff Dye is, of course, Jeff Dye, D-Y-E, on X as well. Joel, thanks for stopping by. We were just talking about the shortcomings of our government and how, in particular, can you hear me okay, first of all?

Oh, I don't think he hears me. That's a problem. Joel, can you hear us now? Yes, I got you now. Okay, good. So we were talking, just, I know you're in the fire zone there, I can tell, that one of the things that's jumped out at me was you don't hear a lot of complaints about Pasadena because in this town, we're like a separate country and things kind of function here.

This was an act of God. Everyone understands that there was only so much could be done, but what they did, they did well. And then what happened on the other side of town was exactly the opposite. Well, which was which? I don't know. Where did they do well? Pasadena.

Well, Pasadena, we had fire. We had water pressure. We had a great fire department. The police did their job. I mean, it didn't stop anything because this was an act of God. This was an act of nature that really couldn't be. I mean, I'm sure they did a little bit because all we had was water. You couldn't do the airdrops

because the wind was too high and things. But out in California, all you got out in the West was just defensiveness and it's not our problem. And would you tell me what your thoughts are? Well, I don't know enough about the fire in Pasadena to say, but what I do know is that here in Palisades, where I'm standing about half mile down the road was a massive traffic jam and people could not

evacuate. There were not enough police officers directing traffic safely so people could leave. And so they simply left their cars at the side of the road, which made it harder to evacuate. And eventually the fire department had to bulldoze the cars out of the way. And people were panicking because smoke was coming to the vehicles. And then in the hydrants, there was barely any pressure. I did see a few hydrants that had pressure during the fire, but they tended to be in certain areas, often lower down, where the water, I guess, that wasn't being used higher up was able to settle further down. And the evacuation notice came rather late in the game. My wife and I packed up our house in about 15 minutes when we saw the fire coming. We were already on the road before

the evacuation notice came. So it's a real problem. It's created a lot of questions for city authorities. Firefighters and police are certainly doing the best they can. But what I've heard when I've talked to police officers and firefighters is that they did not have support from above. They could not pre-deploy ahead of the storm because they did not have a city leadership that had a budget for overtime. So rather than pay a few million dollars in overtime, you've now got billions of dollars in damage behind me. And yeah, I wasn't aware that it was so different in Pasadena because we've been so focused on the problems here. But you're right. The of los angeles did a terrible job the governor came here and said well locals will figure it out when it comes to the water let me tell you

how we figured it out at my house when i came in as a journalist to cover the fire i stopped by my house to see if it was still there and the street was on fire on two sides of me. And I went to my house and it was still standing and there was no water. So I had to pick up a bucket and dip it into the gutter and throw water on the fire on my fence and my neighbor's fence and my neighbor's tree and outside my fence. And together with a couple of guys who just happened to drive up, we managed to put it out. But I've had to go back several times and put out little spot fires around the property and neighbors' homes. That's how we figured it out. We found water in the gutter. That was the state of California's solution to our water problem.

It is such an indictment of the lack of governance. The mayor is in Africa. She doesn't understand what's going on. It's not her fault. The governor is focused on everything, $50 million to Trump-proof the state, millions of dollars for sanctuary, billions for sanctuary cities and homeless that goes nowhere, tens of billions for trains that go nowhere. This is total breakdown of governance. And by the way, one of the questions I have is,

is one of the reasons that people is, is one of the reasons that people couldn't get out of your region was the so-called effing road diets that we've been on, where they put bike lanes into everything and they reduced the number of streets and they narrow the streets out in the West side where they can't be used anymore by cars in an attempt to force us out of our cars. Guess what? They did it in the middle of a fire. Well done. Yeah, that's wild. Joel?

Well, we don't have bike lanes here, but we do have a road problem, and I'll explain it to you. Behind me, you probably see a hill, and then even further behind, out of view, is a neighborhood called the Highlands. The Highlands is a very beautiful neighborhood. It's got some large housing complexes,

so it's middle-class housing, not just wealthy people live up there. And I took my mom up there a week ago before the fire, and she said, this is very nice. Why didn't you guys move up here? And I said, because it only has one road in and one road out. And I will never live in a place that has one road in and one road out, because what if there's a fire?

Literally two days later, that's exactly what happened, but they won't build additional roads to create access to these communities or to give people an exit, and that's got to change in the future. We cannot have communities that only have one entry and exit point because it's a really dangerous situation when there's an emergency. So what's going to happen to get governing individuals? I mean, we've got to hold the city council, the county board of supervisors sort of did okay,

but these are all people that have had their eye off governing. How do we get people to govern this state, this county, this city? Again, what measures should people be looking at or participating in to get things going? So before I give you what I think the answer is, and it's actually a familiar answer to you because you have suggested getting FEMA into Los Angeles to deal with the homeless problem. I'm going to give you a similar answer, but before I do, I want to just note that the city has a real revenue problem and it had to cut budgets last year. That's why they cut the fire budget. And they're going to have to cut even more because they're making the city unlivable for people who pay taxes. You can't do that and still maintain budgets to run all the departments

that have to make a city livable for the people who live here, rich and poor. So there's not going to be enough money in the city alone to do what needs to be done. And he should invoke whatever federal authority he has, whether it's the Stafford Act or whatever other act, to essentially take over key government functions in California and redesign the state. Because California's formula does not work. You cannot have high taxes and no law enforcement. You can't have maximum welfare benefits for illegal aliens or undocumented immigrants whatever and at the same time have better schools better fire services it doesn't work the money doesn't grow on trees here even though there's a grapefruit tree near me that's fruit survived the fruit survived the fire it's kind of incredible um but we have lots of beautiful things that grow on trees money's not

one of them and we have to have basically a federal intervention to reorganize California with the help of helpful people in California. We want California to govern itself. But we want an intervention, and we need one from the federal government under the Trump administration to rebuild. Trump is a builder. This needs rebuilding. You need someone who knows how to cut through the red tape and get this done. Yeah. And why can't that red tape

be taken away for good? The CEQA and all that nonsense, it's got to stop for a while and we have to just do what needs to be done in terms of forestry management, in terms of rebuilding, in terms of just doing what's good for people. It's so ridiculous that no one gets treated worse than the citizens,

particularly the taxpaying citizens in the state. It's the weirdest thing. But anyway, but Joel, appreciate it. I wonder, one last thought. Do you think there'd be any benefit in sort of privatizing some of FEMA's efforts? Well, you certainly would think so after driving around here i was told by a firefighter today a public firefighter that there are 15 private firefighting companies in the palisades right now and most of them are employed by insurance companies protecting high value

property that they cover here but rick caruso ran for mayor in 2022 protected his village mall which is the center of the community here with a private firefighting company and they're very secretive about it they don't want to talk to me they're private you know they don't have to talk to me but you can see the result the mall mall has survived. Everything around it was destroyed. So there is certainly going to be renewed interest in privatizing some of these services. Joel, thank you for being here. I'm glad your house is still standing. Yes, you've saved it. Yes, I saved it with the help of some neighbors. It's about 400 yards over to my right, to your left as you sit looking at me. And it is still standing with some smoke damage, but we can't live in it until it's safe to come back

here. And it's very hard, very hard for my kids. And we keep expecting to wake up from this nightmare. And yet we're the lucky ones, but there are challenges even for people whose homes survive. I understand. Well, if anything we do to help you, please're the lucky ones, but there are challenges even for people whose homes survive. I understand. Well, if anything we do to help you, please reach out. Joel, we appreciate you being here. Thanks so much for what you do, Dr. Drew. All right, man. Take care.

You know, Caleb, can you look for the video of the woman in the Palisades who runs after Governor newsom and asks him why there were no water in the i don't know if we had water in altadena either because the pumps were hey can you guys hear me no that was all palisades who's that now that woman that woman is my neighbor that that woman is my neighbor well is she and and what what's her last name like polshak or something what is it uh i can look it up. Let me see on the phone here. Hold on one second. But she, it's such an incredible interaction.

He goes, I'm literally on the phone with the president. Which he was not. He goes, let me see. I said, what does he not know how literally works? You don't know what the word literally means. And she's an attorney. She's actually an attorney. But you get a sense of how desperate her interaction is with him.

Let me talk to the president. He goes, oh, well, I'm trying to get through to him. No, he goes, I have no cell service. But second thing you said, you're literally on the phone with him. It's just so politician-y. He's trying to slick back his jail hair and get a Starbucks. Her name is Rachel Darvish. That's it. Rachel Darvish. That's it.

Rachel Darvish. Thank you, Joel. Appreciate it. She seemed like a lovely lady, but Adam was making fun of her today a little bit. I mean, she was asking all the right questions. Well, but here's the thing. Caleb, if you could play the thing. She says something. I think it's just because she was so

desperate. She says something that was really kind of high comedy. Is it something we can play? I'll see you guys. Please tell me what you're going to do. I'm not going to hurt him, I promise. I'm literally talking to the president to specifically answer the question.

We can't play too much of this, I guess, right? Well, she goes, why is there no water in the fire hydrants? And he goes, well, I'm looking at it. She goes, I'll put the water in. I'll do it. And he goes, will you do it? Will you put the water

in the hydrants? And Adam goes, it's like she thinks it's like a coffee maker or something. More water. It did feel strange, too. I think she was just desperate and out of her mind. Like, why can't I hear you? It's like, well, why would you? I don't understand. Who's filming her?

That's another part that's confusing. Fires multiplied. Being criticized by some for water mismanagement as hydrants ran dry while fires multiplied. It's okay. Let's leave it be. Leave it be. I'm going to get a strike on you. Yeah, it's all right.

It's enough. I don't want more strikes. So there we are. That's the craziness of our state. It's the patheticness of everything that's going on here. It's, you know, I kind of feel like California is worth fighting for. I've sort of stayed here because it's such a wonderful place. I have a special called The Last Cowboy in L.A.

I don't think it's heroic to leave. I don't think you go, oh, I don't like so-and-so has voted. I'm moving to Spain. Wow, how brave. You're just going to leave the whole city. Now you can't vote? But I understand the desperation. We have lots of fans of Florida and stuff and they're thriving and they don't have to deal with this

shit. Some things are worth fighting for though, right? I think I've a couple times thought to myself it was and then found myself going, I'm wrong. It's too much. It's not going to get better. The thing about the hurricanes though is they know how to clean it up right away.

They're so experienced. That is DeSantis. DeSantis built a bridge that was supposed to take five years to build in like three months or something. Because he said, he went in, what's it going to take? Let's just do it. Let's talk about how great Elon Musk has been through this entire thing.

The only reason we're getting coverage and things is because of Starlink. Tons of his money was going towards helping, it was with the fire department, doing these things, donating all these things, loading armies of cyber trucks full of materials, and yet these morons that I live by in Los Angeles are going,

Elon Musk is in. You have no idea how the world works. You just picked a team and hate whoever isn't on your team. Yeah, and I'm not really on any team. And I was reading this book called, I've referenced it a number of times now, it's called The True Believer. You might check it out. It's kind of interesting.

Just observations about these mass formations and who gets sucked into them and why and he said you know in that book he says you know the opposite of the the fanatic believer is not the the other extreme you know so the the opposite of a woke person is not a very conservative person it's the moderate it's the ones who sees the ones on both sides that are extreme and is in the middle going all you guys need to calm down people think they're the moderates everybody goes i'm really reasonable and then you really you start to learn like oh they're not really that reasonable like it's just it's uh i've noticed a very balanced circular kind of thing with just the way the universe works of like you start out trying to be anti-sexism you know you want so

hardly yes you want so hard for things to not be sexist that then when you learn your history and you do the homework you start to hate men because you go i hate sexism so much and i might fight sexism so much that i hate men but then now you are the sexist towards men because it's this perfect and same thing with race you go i want to learn about this i need to figure out what's going on but then you become the racist who hates the white man and who hates so it's this weird kind of circular balance and it it is if you let hatred and objectification of people or greed or envy envy's been alive and well for the last few years. If you let that stuff creep in, it doesn't go well. It always ends in bad places for humans. Who's the philosopher?

Somebody's going to have to help me. Essentially, he did an analysis of the French Revolution in the early 19th century, and he just said things are the way they are because there's a reason the way they are. They can be changed and morphed and moved and improved upon, but you don't want to destroy, you don't want to

end policing, which is really where that was going during BLM. It was like, we're going to end policing. We're going to reimagine policing. It's like, no, there's a reason people need certain kinds of containment. There's certain things. Well, listen, before we wrap up, books. What's that?

Was that Voltaire? I mean, no, before we wrap up, books. What's that? Was that Voltaire? I mean, no, Voltaire is actually the one that said, I'm willing to, I may hate what a man says, but I'm willing to fight for his right to say it. Voltaire is the only person to say that. No, this is way after Voltaire. There are a lot of French philosophers. Oh, British.

No, no, he's not French. He's not French. He's British. I'm going to look if I see it on the ramp. And what about Colson Aviation? We all need to cheer for them. Yes, they were the... The fleets of all the helicopters and planes that came over.

They're friends of ours. They're from British Columbia. Well, I got to say, the first responders have been amazing. All the people that are helping are amazing. Like, my local neighbors have been very great about it. Everyone wants to help. This is a government problem, not a fire department problem, not a police

problem, not a first responder problem. The top dogs could have avoided this or could have made it a lot less. Look at these aircraft that do that. They come from Canada and they rent them from Canada. And a shout out to the wellness company because their family owns that company. But it just brought such peace of mind.

And just the feeling of being protected by something was just so overwhelming. I mean, Jeff said when he came in today that he feels bad when one person loses their home. I feel like that too. It's just so overwhelming just to know that all these people are displaced and their families can't, their kids can't go to school, their families can't go to dinner. It's a lot. And also you might say, well, this is an act of God. That's really like giving an excuse to like the things. It's like, we know it's a fire area. We We know it's a fire area. We've known it's a fire area. And the brush is high.

It's not up to me and Dr. Drew to know how to fix that. We just live our lives. There are committees with people who get paid tons of money to do these things. And instead they take $500,000 a year to make sure there's more cultures involved. the thing.

And as I say, when the effing door blows off a Boeing plane, the CEO loses his job. Yeah. And they put somebody in better who knows engineering who will not let that happen. Yeah. Why can't we do the same thing here? Let's do the same thing. Boeing, that took a month before they got rid of that guy. And I've only learned about it for like, what, the the last six days because now fires is all i'm thinking about so i

have only wait till we get to earthquakes i have six days of information about fires and i've already learned that like when you see this on a palm tree oh yeah this is just dead kinder yeah tinder in florida they take care of that. How many of these have you seen on the ground, in between parking spots? And we pay a lot in taxes. I imagine you make good money. You pay the tax money to take care of those things.

Very simple thing that I can just see on my drive to coffee that should be fixed. Look up eucalyptus trees and how dangerous those are. We have multiple different kinds here. And so you go, well, I pay this much in taxes, and I can see the things not being done, and they're more interested in giving cell phones to people who aren't even like citizens here.

Right. Well, that's the part. The fact that it's all going to non-citizens and citizens are literally dying and burning up as a result, that says it all. That says everything you need to say. And there is no backing away from that. Even if it's just optics, it's enough.

And also, California, you just lost a ton of people who put a lot of bread into this city. Those celebrities, all those rich people that everyone wants to scoff at, they pay the most taxes. And now they're going to say, no, let's go to Texas. Let's go to Nevada.

2% of the taxes. 2% of the population pays like 70% of the taxes in the state. Now, if they leave, you know what you do, pal? You just make it another homeless encampment that you love so much. Because, I mean, you've lost all these hardworking, rich people who are providing for the entire

state. So, good job. Edmund Burke. Edmund Burke is who I was thinking of. I'm going to say my usual. It's probably going to be all bought up by China. So get ready for that. Susan's very worried about China stepping in. Jeff, it's been a privilege.

I wanted to ask one more thing. Books. What were the books? What books would you recommend for people your age struggling, trying to make a narrative of their life as Jordan Peterson would say? Jordan Peterson is good. Anything with Sam Harris is very good. I'm a big, big advocate of those two.

But if you want to like more about modern stuff, Tim Urban has a good book called What Is Our Problem? You said the literature you read. I'm interested in that. I'm looking for, this is my audible. By the way, anytime I talk about books. You've heard them. I've never read a book in my life.

But I listen to- You should take it up. It's pretty good. I listen to about four books a week. I'm in airplanes. Yeah, I get it. I'm on, a book in my life. You should take it up. It's pretty good. I listen to about four books a week. I'm in airplanes. Yeah, I get it. I'm in terminals. But it affects you differently when you read it.

It just does. That's true. But people listen to podcasts. They're listening to your show now. Oh, I don't want you to listen to less. I want you to also read. That's me. I get it.

It would take me seven months to finish one of these books. Then listen. Keep listening. You know the book, though. Yeah. I get it. It would take me seven months to finish one of these books. Keep listening. I'm looking through all of them right now. Put his book up here since we're talking about books that people wrote. Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Yeah, but that's kind of a classic recommend. Well, but you could read that every day

to get a little inspirations. Marcus Aurelius. Oh, David Goggins is great. A lot of guy-heavy stuff in here. Last Cowboy in L.A. That's your special, right? The Power of Intention by Dr. Wayne Dyer. Hold on a second.

Oh, there's a special. Okay. What's your book? What is your book title? You wrote a book? I've never written a book in my life. Oh, Susan said you wrote a book. No.

No, it's Joel Pollard. Okay, let's read Joel's book. It shows the agenda, what Trump should do in his first... I'm sorry, this is the top of the show. Okay, agenda, what Trump should do in his first 100 days. Interesting to see if it's... There it is. We put it up when Joel was up there.

Real shelf life on that book. So you said you read Ivan Illich. Three years from now, you'll go, ah, maybe. You read War and Peace or anything? Yeah, War and Peace is great. You read War and Peace? Some of them now, you'll go, ah, maybe. You read War and Peace or anything? Yeah, War and Peace is great. You read War and Peace? Some of them are so long. Yeah, I know.

I'm like literally like 20 hours of listening. Oh, at least. Yeah. I'm trying to think. So they're all kind of mixed in with all these other Christian books too. So I'm doing the thing. The Addiction Formula, 12 Rules for Life, The Power of Positive Thinking. And then I pipe her in.

This was the same week. Ted Turner's Call Me Ted. So Power of Positive Thinking, and then I pipe her in. This was the same week, Ted Turner's Call Me Ted. So, The Power of Positive Thinking is a really interesting one. I think Trump advocated that, too. There's something like that. Who wrote that? It says Norman Vincent Peale. Yes, Norman Vincent Peale had a huge influence on Trump.

Interesting. Yeah. All those type of books are funny, because my friends are like, you're very positive. What are you talking about? You don't even need this. I was like, no, but it... Does it require a regular practice like you have to of i don't know meditation or something where you think to yourself i have to stay positive you just keep it top of mind or how do you i've always done it naturally that's what comes naturally to me positive yeah well just because i think as a bored neglected kid you have to kind of keep

yourself going yes big part of me, like earlier you asked, what does this virtue come from or your pursuit of trying to be good? I think it's because selfishly, when you're good, you feel the best. So it's almost selfish to be nice to people because, oh, if I'm nice to the person then they'll be nice to me. So you get

a reward back from it. It's a golden rule. Yeah, and it works. Plain old golden rule. I'd like more friends. I'd like more stuff.. That's all it is. I'd like more friends. I'd like more stuff. I'd like more positive interactions. I'd like more laughter. And the way to get that is by having a good attitude.

Let us all participate in that with Jeff Dye. Follow him on X. Do they have to buy the special or do they look for it? No, it's on YouTube for free. And then also, I'm touring,

so just go to jeffdye.com. You can get tickets to see me anywhere you want. Where's your next show? I am in Burbank on Thursday, but it's sold out, and then I go to Sacramento Punchline for two shows on Sunday. Nice.

And Rancho Murrieta on Saturday at a really cool resort. And then when you film the new one, we're going to... But I'm headlining Mothership in Austin, July 11th, 12th, and 13th, which will be awesome. It'll be fun. A lot of cool things coming up, so just go to jeffdott.com. For you. Congratulations. Thanks. Keep doing what you're doing. Thanks for coming in 13th, which will be awesome. It'll be fun. A lot of cool things coming up. So just go to jeff.com. For you.

Congratulations. Thanks. Keep doing what you're doing. Thanks for coming in. Yeah, thanks for coming on. It's always fun to have somebody in the studio. It's nice to- Oh, I love it.

Yeah, we missed a couple times. We've got a grandchild coming any minute. Oh, really? And so it's had everything on hold. Yeah. And then the fires hit. I'm surprised you haven't done stand-up yet. Stand-up?

You wear so many hats. I've asked him to. He does a skank fest. Oh, you're i do oh you're kidding no most aggressive of all the festivals but but but i fish out of water somebody make fun of i'm your guy you know i mean so you could have done like a love line like thing because those people are animals they'd be like telling you about all this sort of what they asked me to do but but i've done the legion of skanks a number of times in New York. And so I've been the straight guy for Corolla for so many years.

I know how to kind of keep up with comics, and I appreciate what they're doing. I love Dave Smith. Do you know Dave Smith? Yeah, I love Dave. I don't know him. I'm a fan. He's so great.

But stand-up is not my thing. Right. But I like speaking. Okay. And so if I can speak to an audience about a topic that I think is important, then I'm all in. I love it.

Yeah, I feel like you do everything. I feel like I'm always seeing your name. I've been around a little bit. It's like craziness. That's how you're supposed to do it. So weird. My career has been so weird to me. Yeah.

I thought I'd be just in my doctor's office down in South Pasadena. Right, that's what doctors do. Yeah, yeah. That'd be it. You're part of the modern invention of like, you can't just sell cupcakes. You have to be like the TV cupcake guy.

You can't be a housewife. You have to be the real housewife of Atlanta. So you're like the famous doctor. It's just odd. But it's been a great experience and it's been humbling and it's been, I'm so grateful for it. And my only goal has been to do good.

Make good. Well, what a responsibility you have, to be honest. Like only goal has been to do good. Make good. Well, what a responsibility you have, to be honest. Like we were talking about it right here. So good on you. So my friend, thank you. Good to see you. I'm glad you came in. And for everyone else, we have, let's put the schedule up here, guys.

Tomorrow, I think, are we skipping tomorrow? We're on tomorrow. Tomorrow is, oh, Viva Fry. No, you have a show at 12 o'clock. That'll be at noon. Dave Rubin is coming by. No, tomorrow's at. Hold have a show at 12 o'clock. That'll be at noon. Dave Rubin is coming by. No, tomorrow's at... Yes, that's the 15th.

That's at 3, everybody. The Viva Fry is at 3, correct? Yes, 3. And then Thursday with Dave Rubin is at noon. And then the following week you see what's coming up. And I have a show at 3 o'clock. We're going to do predictions with our psychic mediums at Calling Out with Susan Pinsky.

That is 3 o'clock on Thursday. Unless I'm in the hospital watching my granddaughter come into the world. Get in the way of all this stuff. All right, everybody. Thank you much for being here. I can't predict it, though. You're wrong every time. Yes.

You guys are great on the rants. You're great over on the restream. We love seeing the comments. Follow along during the show. If those of you who are out on X want to come on in on the restream, I see Jennifer Lynn, you're there from X. Restream is something I keep an eye on during the show. So if something, if you

really want me to see something, just put it in there. If I don't catch it, Susan will. I know we talk about Rumble a lot here, but we were happy when Rumble gave us the opportunity to free ourselves from YouTube. But in the meanwhile, X has really stepped it up. We are able to go live,

and we appreciate your viewership there, too. And we are happy to bring Facebook and YouTube back on, gaff them back on the team here. It would be a delight to have all those outlets. We appreciate it. I have nothing against any of it. So. Stop.

We will see. We'll see you all tomorrow at three o'clock with, with, hold on a second. I'm sorry. I'm so discombobulated with Viva Fry. Yes. There we go.

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