Ask Dr. Drew - Jenny McCarthy: After Son’s Near-Death Reaction & Autism Diagnosis, Star Fights For Safer Childhood Vaccines w/ Alison Morrow – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 509

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Jenny McCarthy is a model, actress, bestselling author, and star in The Masked Singer. But to the media, she’s been called “the nation’s most prominent purveyor of anti-vaxxer ideology” and ��the face of the anti-vaxx movement.” Jenny became a lightning rod for the childhood vaccine controversy after publicly revealing her son’s 2005 autism diagnosis and near-death experience, which led her to explore alternative treatments and push for safer childhood vaccine schedules. McCarthy says labeling her an “anti-vaxxer” is inaccurate: she is simply a mother fighting for a safer childhood vaccine schedule. Jenny McCarthy is an actor, author, and former president of Operation Rescue. She stars on Masked Singer and wrote Louder Than Words and Healing and Preventing Autism. Her clean beauty brand is available at https://FormlessBeauty.com. More at https://x.com/JennyMcCarthy Alison Morrow is a journalist, podcaster, and former TV reporter. She hosts a podcast on Southern Resident killer whales and a YouTube channel on media analysis. She earned two Emmy Awards and a Sigma Delta Chi Award. More at https://x.com/alisonmorrowtv 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, we are getting right into it here. We appreciate you all being here. Thank you Rumble for putting us up there on the homepage. I love guests that need no introduction. Like if I were to say share, you would know who I was talking about. Today's guest, not different, Jenny McCarthy. You know who I'm talking about.

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And Jenny, when she gets in here, I just want to say she and I started on MTV back in the 90s and we have remained friends ever since and I am so, so pleased and so grateful that she's joining us today. We'll get right to it after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic.

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or just go to our website, drdrew.com slash fatty15. I'm very excited to get right to my guest, Jenny McCarthy, everybody. Jenny, thank you for being here. I love you, Dr. Drew. We do go way back. We go way back and you've always had a special place in my heart.

And you likewise, in fact, when you were on The View, didn't I come visit you on your birthday or something? Yeah, you know, The View, Remember that? One of the only nice things the view does is give the hosts a present for their birthday. So they say, pick your guest host and then pick your anybody else

who wanted the show to interview. So I will have to have Dr. Drew. I love Dr. Drew. We have to have Dr. Drew. So you kind of made my birthday come true, my birthday wish. That's how much I love and respect you. I was so appreciative.

You're very, so sweet and so kind. And the last time we saw each other, here there's some comedy embedded in what our catch up is going to require here. Number one, last time I saw you was on your radio show when you were on Serious and we were both like, it's COVID thing, give me a break. People are panicking about it.

I'm not really that worried about it. And we were both right and wrong. We were both right. We were both. And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah. But I want you to know something. Yeah, we were right and wrong. I didn't get the infectivity quite so much.

I didn't, you know, I got a brutal, I was sick just after I was with you. And it was brutal. It was a brutal illness, but it didn't deserve the whole world to be shut down for two years. That was insane. That was just nutty, cuckoo stuff.

Oh, this is my reaction to the vaccine where I took the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and I woke up with a spontaneous black eye, which is the presenting feature of transverse sinus thrombosis in the skull, which is a manifestation of the dreaded complication of that vaccine. And Iosis in the skull, which is a manifestation of the dreaded complication of that vaccine. And I looked at the mirror that morning going,

oh my God, am I gonna be the only male to get thrombotic thrombocytopenia purpura? Well, anyway, I made it through. And I took it only, I didn't even need it. I'd had COVID at that point. And I took it only because we were traveling, we were going to Europe and we couldn't get on a plane, we couldn't travel, couldn't do anything

unless we had a passport with us. So there you go. I understand the amount of people, I understand the amount of people that had to do it. You know, the people that were forced to put food on their table, so they had to do it. Or for me, obviously because of the history that I went through with my son,

which I'm sure we'll get into, it felt very draconian. It felt very like Twilight Zone for me because me shouting this from the rooftops 20 years ago and then to have this all happen in my lifetime, it was very, very scary, freaky. Fortunately, there was something good that came out of it, which is a lot of people woke up to not have blind faith into what people are telling you, especially government officials that have no right to be telling you what to do, forcing you to do that. Yes, ma'am, a thousand percent.

And I'm one of those people that was sort of, so many things were laid bare for me that I did not know, I did not appreciate. And one of the things I'm getting a little emotional when I'm saying this, because I want to say this to you, my hubris as a physician was in my way a lot. I've had, and I'm trying to make apologies wherever I can

where that was excessive. And you are one of the people I was looking forward to apologize to because I did not support you when you were, I'm getting emotional because it's not right. And it was sexist too. And it was sexist because for two reasons. One was I was overlooking a mom's instinct and you should never, ever, ever do that, ever. One was I was overlooking a mom's instinct

and you should never ever, ever do that, ever. Mom may or may not be right, but you've got to listen and you've got to pay attention and support it. Number one. And number two, Jenny McCarthy is very, very, very smart and you argue with her at your peril. So both things, it was my hubris you argue with her at your peril. So both things, it was my hubris and I should have been more supportive

and I was not supportive. Thankfully I was not also not, I didn't ever speak ill of you or your position or anything else, but I feel very bad that I was not supported and I just want to apologize. So there you go. First of all, that was unnecessary, but also very nice, thank you.

I'm sure my mom appreciates hearing that because you don't usually get them, you know? And I don't even expect them because I'm such empathy for people going through their own journeys. What you learned in your own medical school, your own practice, you know, we're locked into these belief systems.

And I did too. My son was fully vaccinated because I trusted science. I trusted my doctors. And it's not until you go through something that wakes you up. And that's why a lot of times when I meet people, I will stop and give them, I probably mentor probably five to 10 women a week, whether newly diagnosed children or pregnant women, just to give them, I don't tell them what to do, I just educate them in a nutshell,

in an elevator pitch, if you will, and then I encourage them to go do their own research. That's the key, and that's what we learned from COVID, you guys, right? Do your own research. Don't have blind faith. Do your own research. Don't have blind faith. Yeah.

And as far as apologies go, you know, these people that brought mandates down upon people and made them sick as a result of those mandates, particularly young males who didn't even fricking need it, clearly didn't need it. They need to apologize. So my own enthusiasm with apologies wherever I can is to model what I'm expecting from people

that really engage in very egregious behavior during COVID. I would like people, I'm not one interested in retribution, I'm interested in the truth, and I'm interested in people that were excessive acknowledging that so it doesn't happen again. It cannot happen again. We can't go through this again.

Amen. We can't go through. So thank you for saying that. And to tell you the truth, there are like at least a couple times a week, I'll get a tweet or a post that says, I was a nurse, I was a doctor, and you were on the middle of my bullseye in my office,

and I have to apologize. So they are coming out and saying so, but again, I don't need it. I just don't want to ever see it happen again. Yeah, you and I as usual are like mind locked on that. But we're going to find out more. A lot of people didn't watch the little tape that rolled in for this episode.

I was, Jay Bhattacharya is kind of my hero. When I first interviewed him in the dark hours of COVID, I was like, oh my God, this is the guy that they had to do a devastating takedown of. This guy is a wonderful human being and a brilliant doctor and a great researcher. Like that's the guy. And so when he became NIH director,

I thought this is like some sort of Shakespearean play I'm in now, this is poetic. And so he is doing good as I would expect. And a lot is yet to come out. There'll be a lot of interesting and probably controversial and difficult to figure out. You know, but really I think for me, and you tell me if this is,

you've mentioned the forcing stuff on people that don't need it. That's the part that really is off the rail. You know, if a doctor and a patient, a mom wants to make a decision, great. I want them to have a full range of what that mom and what that doctor wants to offer, but to say you must do so, crazy to me.

Or Dr. Drew to be shamed, to go back to that very moment that pushed Evan over the limit, I should say, in terms of toxic thresholds, immune dysregulation. I was in the grocery store and I saw the cover of Time Magazine that year and it said in the corner, like, moms are saying that there's a connection between MMR and autism and I had this weird pit in my stomach going oh my god Evan is due for

his MMR I wonder if this is a sign so when I went to the doctor's appointment I said you know what I'd like to talk more about this I'd like to maybe wait because I'm just having a mom intuition moment right now that is telling me not to do it right now. That pediatrician shamed me so bad in that office, so poorly that it, I didn't know what to do except leave the room because my husband at the time, and he apologizes now, but he was like, I'm gonna stay in here, you get out of the room,

she doesn't know what she's talking about, because the doctor made me feel so little and so dumb. We left that office and it wasn't not far along before Evan had a seizure that resulted in cardiac arrest. Multiple, multiple times. So that just led me on my journey of I cannot let this happen to other parents. And my son, of course, didn't ask to be a poster child for this.

In fact, by the time he was old enough to Google his name, he said, I think we need to sit down and have a conversation. And then I had to literally have that conversation with him. I'm like, I promise I know this is all new to you. And you're like, why am I all over the Internet for Huttism? You know, I was like, so so I fortunately saved a bunch of thank you emails from parents over the years and had him sit down and read them so he can have a better understanding.

But to get back to the point, it's a shame that doctors shame you into making decisions that you don't want to do. Always listen to your gut. Always do the research and always know that you have the freedom to walk out of the office. I know. Listen, I've seen now videos of people in doctor's offices where they're being shamed and stuff.

It is so far from the practice of medicine, so far from the profession that I loved so much. And there's so much now that has been laid bare that is either confusing at best or disgusting at worst. And this is one of those things. You know, I had a family member raise an issue about the hepatitis B vaccine. And I said, look, I was involved.

I was actually involved in the research on that vaccine. And we were concerned in the early 80s about vertical transmission, mother to child transmission of hepatitis B in China, in China. We had no concerns here. None. We w we wanted it for healthcare workers, adults here and some moms and kids in China. Guess what? You, your baby emerges from the womb. They're given an hepatitis B vaccine. Why? Why?

Why is that happening? Well, guess what? World Health Organization decided that everyone has to have that in the name of something, equity, I don't know what. And there's absolutely no reason for it. And when this family member brought it up, the doctor said, well, they could get a needle stick.

And he's like, this baby doesn't lift his head up yet. It's not, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? And by the way, and there's like 3000 cases of hepatitis B positive women, pregnant women in this country and we know about all of them. And that child will get the B vaccine, I promise. But that's the ones that need it, nobody else.

It's so true. And let me ask you this as a doctor yourself. It's finally being uncovered, something I've known for many, many years, which is doctors getting kickbacks for their vaccination percentage. So pediatricians, yes. So pediatricians get a enormous amount of money.

That's astonishing. I know it's astonishing to me. I really didn't believe that was true because I didn't see how it was possible. There are laws in this state in California, you're not even allowed to refer to anything astonishing to me. I really didn't believe that was true because I didn't see how it was possible. There are laws in this state, in California, you're not even allowed to refer to anything related to you. You can't refer labs that you participate in, you can't do radio, you just can't do anything.

So I think it must be through the insurance companies. The insurance companies want to mandate that everybody's fully vaccinated. So they're saying, oh, if you get this many kids vaccinated, we'll give you X number of extra dollars at the end of the year. I suspect that's what happens. Exactly that.

And think about this. If you're a pediatrician, and if you're a pediatrician and want to put your own son, let's say through private school or whatever, now you're incentivized even more to get that 100% mark. Because the higher percentage you have in your pediatrician office, the more money you get. And by the way, people, this goes up to about $80,000

in some cases. And by the way, those are big, big, big practices. But even that, though, that's about what a pediatrician's salary is now. It's hard to make a living in pediatrics. So you're talking about high levels of motivation, right? And so I'm getting like the creepiest feeling when I think about this.

It's just, there's so many adulterated influences in medicine right now. It just, my skin crawls. The fact that, listen, during COVID, one of the things that was exposed is 70% of doctors are employed, they're employees. And so when these mandates come down from their employer, they're required to follow them or they lose their job.

It's the opposite of professionalism, it's the opposite. So everyone needs to be really, really careful. That's why I got involved with certain companies that sort of help people get stuff into the hands of the patients. The doctor patient unit has been completely blown apart. It's just adulterated by all kinds of things. Let me get off that.

I'm getting weird. Let me talk about something. Because I'm getting, I'm getting, I'm getting. Look at this. Look at what I have. This is better. I want to get something positive going. So you very kindly sent us some of your product

and this is an unrehearsed, unmotivated, I'm just going to throw it over to my wife who I hear about your products in the background all the time because, go ahead, what do you think of them? I love them. See? Formless is the company and she has skincare and brushes and makeup. I love the lip and cheek tint skin care and brushes and makeup.

I love the lip and cheek tint. I use it every day. Her lip glosses are phenomenal. Polina has stolen most of them and the eye shadows are great. But more than that. Wait, wait, stop, stop. More than that, I've never, oh, there it is.

I've never heard, had the thought, no, no, the topic of eyelashes in my head as much as since you said, Susan, your products. So yeah, I have almond eyes and it's really hard for me to put on eyelashes without them popping up on the side and this was the first time I was able to put on lashes. Jenny, we've been married for 34 years.

Yeah, I'm not very good at it. And I just learned about the eyelash phenomenon. So it took me this long. Yeah, Drew. Because of you, thank you for that. We should have put them on you today, Drew. That would have been fun. So.

Those words mean so much to me because I've worked so hard. I didn't go into this going, I want to create a brand. I went into it going, let me find a brand. Let me find one that's truly clean, clean, clean. Because a lot of times people say, oh, we're clean, but the FDA doesn't really regulate makeup. The very first time they did a big one was 1918. So I have an MTHF for a gene mutation. I've got autoimmune conditions. I've got leaky gut. I have Celiac disease. So I knew I needed clean

So I said well if no one's gonna make it According to what I think is clean then I'm gonna do it myself. The problem was I don't know what's freaking clean So I kind of called the environmental working group. I know I'm sure you know who they are true EWG you guys dot org they are what the FDA should be doing. They have doctors and scientists that do the work on ingredients that you should be using and that you shouldn't. So when I met with them and I told them, I want to create a beauty brand, skincare makeup that is clean. They said, we love that you're doing this.

And here is a binder of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients. And I was like, oh my God, how am I going to do this? How am I going to make a company? Because it's, plus I want to meet in the USA, because I don't trust anybody. I wanted to meet those restrictions. And it has to be gluten free, telp free, all these things, vegan, cruelty free.

And it's taken us a while to take out, to take, to launch each, you know, to launch each one of them because they go through such rigorous testing. Like our, our mascara is one of the only few without hormone disruptors. They put endocrine disruptors inside mascara and telc, which we know is not good. So many different things. So that's why I said, you know what, I'm making this for me and I'm going to bring some people along the way that they care about ingredients and their health, especially at this age we're in now,

I had to decide, am I gonna go the route of chasing a cure or in the route of prevention? And that is the road that I am focused on. I'm in the road of prevention and prevention. Cause you know, all these genes get activated and I don't want any more autoimmune conditions that I already have. get activated and I don't want any more autoimmune conditions that I already have.

Okay, I want you to know the phenomena, my behavior that I was apologizing for, I have corrected it because just now when you were talking, I was like, yes, listen carefully, listen carefully to what she's saying. She's always ahead of the curve. And so, and right now, I'm just barely catching up to be fair.

If you look at what the sort of philosophy is now at the HHS, that's the team that's in charge. That is becoming a philosophy that I think that Americans understand we're not doing a great job with our health and we need to do a better job. And when you start thinking about all the stuff we're exposed to, mitigating probably 20, 30% of it, might end up having a really significant impact

on our health overall. A hundred percent. And I was horrified when I saw other beauty brands say that they're verified by a certain company. And I go, let me go the next step. Who is verifying them to be clean? And when I did the research, you know who's verifying them?

Themselves. Some of these cosmetic brands make their own, like I'll say, Sara's makeup. She's S-verified. She made up her own criteria within her own world of what's clean, and that's how she verifies herself. So just got to be careful. I'm having a little mic problem today.

Sorry for the buzzing, but remember we've changed mics the other day. That's what I did. So it really interestingly, that reminds me of what I've been dealing with with insurance companies for years, because whether or not somebody gets a treatment or stays in the hospital,

for what the doctor that's treating the individual feels that patient needs is determined by criteria set by the insurance company. And people don't understand that. The game is when I'd be seeing these patients on my addiction unit were needed, just needed so much treatment. And the insurance companies would always kick in

after a day or two and go get them out of there. I'm like, what do you get? This patient is suicidal, they're still detoxing. What do you want me to do? Well, do a doctor to doctor review, which is a peer review is code for, we're not going to listen to anything you say. So I have to tell the patient, listen,

your insurance company is going to run out here. We got to figure something out because it's expensive. I don't want you to be stuck with this. And she goes, I'm going to call my insurance company, which they always would do. And the insurance company always would say the same thing. Mrs. Smith, of course, if Dr. Pinsky would just tell us what you need,

we'll go over the criteria. And of course we'll get you. They don't tell the patient, we've been over it. You didn't meet our criteria. That's why we're kicking you out. So then it gets even worse. I got to tell the story. So then I will complain, complain, complain. Then if I make a complaint

to the insurance commissioner, right, for the, then the insurance company will come back around and go, oh, Dr. Pinsky, I understand you don't like our business practices. I'll tell you what, we're gonna decertify you. You'll no longer be working for this insurance company. And then if I make more complaints, we're going to decertify you. You'll no longer be working for this insurance company. And then if I make more complaints, they go back to the hospital and threaten to decertify

the entire hospital. That is the amount of leverage that these insurance companies apply. That was on the psychiatric side. It's a little different on the medical, but it's disgusting. It's disgusting. So I'm very sympathetic to people's- Wait, can that be changed at all? Is it being changed?

Is it being worked on to being changed? You know, if we could just change it to empowering the doctor's opinion in some way, both in tort law, like why did you do that, Dr. Smith? It was my opinion, it was in the best interest of the patient. That should be a defense in a court of law. It also should be a criteria for continued care.

But I don't know if you saw that video flying around of the surgeon trying to get a surgery approved for I think it was a breast cancer case and she couldn't get it approved. And she videotaped herself doing one of these peer to peer reviewed. And I actually, Caleb, I want to get her in here. Emily, if you're listening, I want to get that doctor in.

It's crazy, it's crazy. Anyway, you're making me, you're stirring me up in ways I did not expect. I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm upset with, I'm upset with a lot. Let's also talk about The Masked Singer, okay? Yes. I'm of the opinion, I know it probably doesn't feel

quite this way to you, but I think that's one of the best produced shows on television. They are contending with so much so much and and and you might not even see a lot of it because a lot of it is you know getting the songs cleared and song selection oh here's me talking to you can you see this I love it yeah I love it. Yeah. You're so much fun.

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. You were so awesome. You, you, you. Oh my gosh. Reveal. I was like, no way. Look at your face. And I was looking at you.

I was like, Howard Stern, Adam Carolla, really? Really? You get that close and don't get all the way to me. You know, I'm a great judge, but even I have blonde moments, but that show is So well produced but that's what I wanted to say the the you are a great judge because the the the Clues you guys get are truly obscure and I don't know how you get there not tipping them the judges off everybody this is all coming out of their own heads this is a true story it happened right here in my town one night 17 kids woke up got out of bed

walked into the dark and they never came back from the director of barbarian a lot of people died in a lot of weird ways. We're not gonna find it in the news because the police covered everything all up. On August 8th... This is where the story really starts. You know, and what's really helpful for me, this is my cheat code, was that I, you know, I had a radio show for seven years.

I interviewed people most of my career So I'm kind of a little bit more knowledgeable with what people's backstories are Whereas, you know, Robin Thicke and Nicole and Ken were only googling themselves their whole lives So this way I had a little bit more of an edge Knowing about people I get it I get it And so one of one of my motivations to going in there was because of you and Ken. I know Ken very well too.

And I don't know if you know this, but when Ken was still practicing medicine, I used to have him fill in for me on the radio in the very early days. You aware of that? Isn't that funny? Because he, I don't know if you know this, he was an excellent doctor.

He really was an excellent doctor. He's a very, I'm sure you can see how bright he is, but he was a very, very skilled doctor with great judgment. And I thought, I can put that, I can trust this guy. He was great. Hey Drew. Yeah. I love Ken, you know, in fact every time

that he's got with the boo boo. I'm like, hey Ken, what's this? What's this? He'll know, He's very good. He's very good. So somebody ask a question, Susan, there's a question about- Was it hard to do the Mouse Singer?

I mean, tell everybody what you had to go through to do it. So this is the part that you don't get to see, Jenny, is so they, you know, I called, I should be on that show, you know, can't enter, we should do this thing. And they call you and they audition you, okay, you're good. Then they start giving you song ideas, right?

And they start putting together a costume. Like, what do you think you should be? And I, weirdly, both I and the producer said, Eagle, I don't know why, but we both said that. Yeah, and that odd. And then they start building the costume and you're going in for costume fitting. But the hardest part was song selection.

They have a real difficult, at least I had a difficult time getting to the song I wanted and then getting it cleared. I wanted to do, what's the Queen song that's so famous? I'm a dance, I'm a dance. Yeah, I wanted to do that Queen side, I forget what it's called. And I worked on, Jenny, I worked on 30 songs before they finally got to the one. I wanted to do Eurythmics. Yep, she wanted to be Eurythmics. But what got screwed up for me is they kept, they tell you,

lean into the character, the character should be guiding, lean into the character. And when the costume was getting done, I was like, oh shit, this is a rock eagle. I was thinking more ballads and I'm trained in opera back in the day, I was an opera singer. And so it's like, this is hard for me. But by the way, you were phenomenal. Like I could not, I did not know that you could sing like, and I was just like, that's why I wouldn't have guessed

it was you. Like I didn't know there was a voice like that. Well, it was not my best vocal moment to be fair. And what's that? Well also, tell everybody how you had to keep it secret and you had to have an NDA. They made you sign an NDA, they made Susan sign an NDA, and I had been, I was singing at a bar in New York,

Phantom of the Opera, and I suddenly had some problems with my voice. So they sent me into an ENT. Lo and behold, I bled into my vocal cords. And so I had to go to vocal rehab and they had this vocal rehab person come to my house three days a week. And then my son was living with us at the time

and he goes, what are you doing? I go, oh, I go I'm gonna sing that we just made up I'm gonna sing the national anthem at Dodger Stadium that's all we're just preparing for it and after she kept coming goes three days a week why is there somebody who's three days we find we were like sign this we had him sign it too that funny it's so funny it's brilliant it funny. It's during the pandemic, right? It's such a fun show. It's brilliant. It is genius. And the producers do that. I mean, clearing the songs,

dancing and the pyrotechnics and you guys, and there's the lighting and there's just so, people don't know you. So you sing the song, you get it together, you rehearse once with the dancers, you come in and you do a dress rehearsal, and then an hour later you perform. That's it.

That's exactly right. And so, yeah, it's pretty crazy. I can't even barely sing happy birthday. I'm usually mouthing happy birthday because my voice is so bad. And sometimes they'll want the whole cast to sing like an opening number and cry to the producers.

And I'm like, you guys, I can't sing. And I'll have to come out and sing a line. And they call me and after the Shrek one, and they said, we're all laughing so hard in the control room because you sound so bad. You sound so bad. So I had to go in and loop my voice. Yeah, they're very kind with the auto-tune

and the looping stuff, so I'm sure they want your best foot out there. So that's nice. Even though they humiliated you, how dare they? I'll speak to those people. Listen, I have to take a little break here. Do you want to maybe, I wanted to bring your son by to get a little sort of promotion for his YouTube page.

I hear he's doing some interesting stuff. So let me go on break for about three minutes and then when I come back, bring him on in and we'll chat with him a little bit too, okay? Done. You're welcome. Jennifer Carth here buddy. Okay.

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Yes, here is this is Evan Asher. That's dr. Drew. How's? There he is. Yes, here he is. This is Evan Hasher. That's Dr. Drew. How's it going, Dr. Drew? Pleasure to meet you. Hey, Howard. It's a pleasure to meet you too, sir. So I wanted to give you a chance to promote your page your mom was telling me about.

I thought bring him in here. Let's let him talk about it. Why should we be the first? Well, here I am. Hey, so yeah. My channel on YouTube is called Gaming USA at underscore gamingUSA. We do all different kinds of content genres on there.

So like live action, adventures, movies, gaming, et cetera. Like if you are like on YouTube digging for all kinds of content, you found the channel, GamingUSA. That's it right there. It looks great. We see it alongside of you. You see we have put it up there.

And give us the address again and who is using it? Is it people your age primarily or do you want old farts like me in there? It can be all ages. Like it's just friendly for all of the living community. It's friendly for everybody. So yeah, basically it's at gaming underscore USA. At gaming underscore USA. Are you on social media also? I am. I'm on Instagram. I'm on TikTok and YouTube mainly.

Same, same tag, same, same. Oh, he's at gaming underscore USA. Oh, you're talking about the tags. So on Instagram, it's EvanJAsher. And then TikTok is EAsher98. But he's really trying to get to that 30,000 subscribers right now, so you gotta go subscribe on YouTube. Yeah, I'm so close. He's close. Less than 700 away.

Gaming on YouTube. All right, everybody. We've got the whole Rumble army there. Go support him, do it. Go do it. I know you'll be listening on X. Please, please, thank you. Why not? Thanks, buddy. We've got the whole rumble army there. Go support him. Do it. Go do it. I know you'll be listening to that next. Why not? Thanks, Dr. Drew.

Let's see if we can get him over the threshold. All right. Thank you, Dr. Drew. Pleasure to meet you, man. Pleasure. Pleasure meeting you too. Good job. Thank you.

Thanks, Dr. Drew. And then Jenny, have we left anything out of our conversation? Was there anything more to sort of get at you wanted to sort of get at you wanted to promote or get to? Well, that's nice that you just say, I just want to remind you that the foremost beauty skincare

is for men too. So I'm going to send you your whole own basket as well. Man, you can see I need it. And let's, I know about you, but I've become as a result of the COVID thing, I've become sort of a speech, free speech absolutist, and a more of a freedom fighter than I ever knew I was. I'm guessing you're in the same camp.

And I just think those of us that we said earlier, oh, we can't let this happen again, mandates, lockdowns, these things, no more. No, no, no, no, we need to get back to the basics of what the principles upon which this government was founded. How many? That's absolutely right.

And I told Bobby, I said, Bobby Kennedy, of course, I said, whatever you need, I'm here. You need anyone on a soapbox again to help out, spread the word, I'm here. So I'm still actively trying to fight and all that. All right, well, I'm out there with those guys quite a bit, particularly with, as I said, Jay Bhattacharya and Macri and these guys.

So if there's some thing, stand by, you might be, they don't, they're very, I know, but they're very, they'll be like, it'll be on a Tuesday, you'll hear from me and say, can you get to Washington by Thursday? They do stuff like that a lot, so prepare yourself. That's the tough part. That's the tough part. That's the tough part.

But my heart is in it and I do where I can. So I'm here to serve, service to others I think is what we should all live by, the motto we should all live by. And that's what I plan on doing the rest of my life. So call on me. Me, meaning making, listen to your mama this one, meaning making is important ingredient

in a life well lived and most meaning is found by serving others, that's it. All right, you're absolutely right. Hope to see you again soon, maybe see you in person. I am- We're developing a game platform. Yeah, yeah. That's good for others.

That's community, are you kidding? Yeah, makes people feel good. That's good for others. That's your true high house. the Dr. Drew Hype House. What's that Caleb? Thanks you guys. Next up is the Dr. Drew Hype House. Thank you. I don't even know what that is. All right.

So it's like a collection whenever you get like a group of like seven, you know, up and coming YouTubers and they all put in money to go live at some fancy mansion and film all their videos on a mansion. Usually like young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people, young people of like seven, you know, up and coming YouTubers and they all put in money to go live at some fancy mansion and film all their videos on a mansion.

Usually like young twenties and under twenties. Yeah, yeah. They all get together and bad things tend to happen, but yeah. Yes, of course. Okay, so is Alison standing by? Is she available? She there yet or I get going too soon?

She's here. Cause I've got other I get going too soon? She's here. Cause I've got other things I can do here. She's here, okay. Alison, Alison, journalist, podcaster, TV reporter. She's got a lot of, she's been with us before. We appreciate you coming back. And we particularly caught my attention was that she's canceled yet again.

And this time for standing next to a weed. I thought I was finally done with being censored on YouTube, but I have a pasture. We are farmers now and we let one weed grow nine feet. So we could take a picture with it and a little short video and we posted on YouTube, world's tallest weed. And they said by manual review, they've confirmed it's not suitable for most advertisers, which obviously shows they don't actually manually review unless maybe their advertisers Bayer Monsanto

and that's why they don't like it because we didn't spray it with Roundup. I don't know. So, I'm not sure why, but they just, they just love to take me off no matter what I'm doing. And you know what's funny? This is on my farming channel and I was really specific about how I set it up.

I made it my husband's like whatever they, you know, IP address or whatever they asked you for. So I put it under my husband's name. I put it, you know, he, it, you know, it all goes to him. So it should all look like it's him. Cause I just wanted to have this shadow channel where they wouldn't follow me. But unfortunately, I guess my cover has been spoiled.

I'm blown yet again. I guess so. So what is occupying you these days? What's coming up for Alison? I am focusing on trying to milk a cow. Well, first I have to impregnate her, but that's what we're doing now. I went from a TV reporter who was covering the environment

and covering agriculture as part of the environment. I started to get really interested in food and health and all the stuff you just talked about with Jenny. And I just decided I wanted to try it for myself. So my current project is we got a dairy cow and I just thought you just grab the dairy cow and you know, you've got someone to come artificially inseminate, which is a little bit of a graphic process

if anybody knows how you do it. And then you just have a calf and then you milk her. Like I just thought every cow just comes up to you and like, come on and milk me. And that's not how it works. Apparently they're very scared of people. If you haven't trained them, they don't like it. So literally for months, I have just been with my daughter

standing there trying to hand feed this cow so that we can get her to then let, you know, an AI tech put her entire arm basically up her back end. And then after 10 months, we'll be able to hopefully touch her teats and get some milk out of it. And I'm spending thousands of dollars doing this. Meanwhile, I go to the grocery store and it's like, milk, $4.

I'm like, what am I doing? This is crazy. But I just, I don't know. I'm fascinated by the whole process. I will get milk out of this cow. That is my next project. I'll come back for an update in like a year and see if we're actually drinking any of that. You've learned more about a cloaca than you

ever wanted to know it sounds like. I'm not sure I know what a cloaca is what is do I want to know? That's what the guy was sticking his hand up in. I wasn't sure if that was from Love Line. So there you go. So as it pertains to health of the country, are you satisfied with the direction HHS is taking things? And is it too slow for you? Or do you have notes? Are you paying attention to all that? Oh man, I am.

I'm paying attention to it. Probably not as closely as a lot of people because I'm actually trying to do it here on my property. I'm trying to just overturn the system. I had a friend I was talking to the other day. She was in from LA. And I said how I just kind of decided to pick up my ball off of the court that I was in as a reporter, like in that system in television news and just leave.

I just didn't want to play the game anymore. I realized you weren't going to change it. It was just not it was not something that I was going to be able to rearrange. To feel like I was comfortable as a journalist with what I was going on TV reporting. And now I look at the larger system in which broadcast news or mainstream journalism works. And I have a very hard time believing

we're going to actually fully change that. Though I appreciate the efforts that I'm seeing. And she said, well, I guess you could just run away. And I said, well, I didn't run away. I just started farming because I want to start a new system. There's a chance that someday I'll be carted off to jail over raw milk.

I have no idea. Here I am, I want to drink out of my own cow. Is that going to be something you're allowed to do in five years? I don't know. But I look at the efforts and I, yes, I think we're talking about stuff. At the very least, we're talking about stuff that would have been totally anathema even seven,

ten years ago. And that's wonderful. The fact that people like you and I can have a conversation publicly about these topics without, you know, being banished off into some forest somewhere where no one's willing to talk to us anymore, though that's kind of the life that I want to have at some point. But you know, you couldn't bring up vaccines 10 years ago, you couldn't talk about some of the chemicals that are in our foods. People would have told you you were completely crazy. And I lived that as a TV reporter.

I think one of the reasons that I was put on the environmental beat was because my boss thought I was a little weird. I brewed my own kombucha and I went to farmers markets. I like to hike on the weekends and he was like, okay, this girl, maybe she can handle the environmental beat. But the problem is when you hire somebody who starts to look into that stuff and is interested in it, then you have to say, well, whatever she finds, we're going to listen to what she has to say, but that was not the case in TV news. And so now looking at where we are,

it's incredible to me that we're having these conversations. And that the mainstream news, even if they're not necessarily giving it fair coverage, that they are covering some of the topics that I think when I was in the business, they just never would have. So I do give credit to this administration for at least making those conversations more quotidian

so that the rest of us can start moving it into a direction where you do have some change. Yeah, there's a lot that interests me what you're just saying there in that people, you know, your sort of expectation is that you're going to be silenced or edited or controlled in terms of what you're able to talk about and report on. That is not the country I grew up in.

The country I grew up in, you said whatever you wanted. You said whatever you understood to be your truth and you defended it. And you tried to ascend to the truth. There was no narratives. There was no sort of a crucible that had to be carried. That is a new phenomenon of the last 20 years. And it is, as you said, anathema

to the principles of this country. And it's sort of interesting to me that your expectation is it would be that way and that now something new is happening This is we're returning back to the basics. I got news for you. This is how it was always supposed to be There was not supposed to be censorship. There was not supposed to be people telling you What you could or could not say or do or believe and there were certainly not hoaxes all over the place And speaking of hoaxes

What do you make of climate change now? Oh my God, you've really had to go there, didn't you? All of my old peers are gonna look at me and say, that's it, I'm done, I'm unfriending Allison. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus, IKEA has hundreds

of design ideas and affordable options to complement any budget. After all, you're in your small space era. It's time to own it. Shop now at IKEA.ca. I don't know. I don't know what to think of it anymore. I have to say that one of the topics that I am very interested in now is geoengineering.

I'm very skeptical of what our own government has done to the environment and our weather patterns through geoengineering. Like that's another topic. If you had told me when I was a reporter five years, seven years ago, that people sprayed the skies with, I would have just been like, these people are crazy. And now this is just something

that even ABC News talks about openly. So I've had some very smart people on my show who think climate change is just, it's completely made up. And those people are very smart. They're far smarter than I am. They've done far more research than I have. And I have to listen to what they're saying as a viable possibility, right?

I have not dug into it deeply enough to have come up with like a firm, this is what I know is happening. I know that there are farmers who can't water their hay fields right now. I know there are wildfires and places like, okay, I realize there's forest health problems and stuff like that.

And that's a huge issue. We haven't had fires, we've been stopping them. So then we have all this underbrush and everything. But I think farmers will tell you, honest farmers will tell you like it's drier. There are issues with hot temperatures and people have issues with that. What's causing it?

I don't know, I don't know. And I just don't buy the narrative that I used to push for a long time, that like it just is manmade carbon dioxide in the air and that we have to all drive electric vehicles. I just don't, I don't buy that anymore, but I don't have a solution. What do you think about it now?

Well, I think being confused about it and not knowing what to think is a very honest sort of position to take because climate changes. It just does, it always changes. And whether or not humans have a significant impact, probably have an impact, right? That'd be sensible. Can we do anything about it measurably to make it different? I don't know about that. That's a gigantic leap from climate goes up,

climate goes down. Humans probably have some impact on it to, oh, we're going to fix it. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That's a whole different matter. And if you really, and the people that are so concerned about it, right? Look at California, right? So they're going to make everybody drive electric vehicles in the meantime the the emissions the emissions saved across 10 years of eliminating gas powered vehicles are Completely undone by any one of our fires last year, completely.

Now, if you were really concerned about the environment, your first order of business would be to control those fires. And I will tell you, as somebody who's lived in Southern California my whole life, they used to be working on, they used to have giant departments of forestry management. And you'd look up in our foothills

here and they would always have tractors up there and be cutting fire breaks and they stopped all of that. Why? Because it was disrupting the, initially it was because a mouse couldn't migrate properly across the fire breaks. That's why they abandoned the whole thing. But there were literally year-round forest management. So when the fires broke out, there was not much fuel there and there were giant fire breaks and there were strategies and there were teams in place. That's all gone. That's all gone. Now, if you were really concerned about the environment, then you would do that. You would correct that because that in one year undos 30 years of everybody driving electric vehicles. And the other thing for me is I was big

in the ecology movement back in the seventies. This all started in the seventies. And then we were convinced there was gonna be worldwide famine, that acid rain was gonna destroy agriculture, particularly in the eastern part of the country, and there would be an ice age. We were 100% sure. This was not something, this was science, man. And you were not listening to us. You were anti-science. That was 1977. So it gave me a little bit of perspective

in all this. Okay, so you said though that we're in this new era of Don't question the science, but you're saying that back in the 70s. It was exactly the same way So is it different now? I mean, I think the same thing we attempted the same thing We we would we were loud like that and we were very I mean we're reinforced There were movements and things the ecology movement you ever seen the ecology flag? Put the ecology flag up, Caleb. But it didn't have the same, the same extreme influence on people's lives that today it seems to. I don't know if it's social media

or media capture or whatever. But yeah, all that stuff. But back in the day, we were groups of scientists that were yelling loudly, and Time Magazine ran articles about it. And you can find, and it's another thing you'll find, Caleb, Time Magazine, front of the Time Magazine, or maybe it's Newsweek, upcoming Ice Age, coming Ice Age.

But people didn't panic about this shit. They didn't go into panic. They weren't so easily manipulated by the media. They would just listen and go, I'm not sure maybe we'll do something about that. Now people fly into these panics. And if you're not with them in the panics, it's because you don't care.

You don't care enough, which is bullshit. There is the ecology flag. That's a department of ecology. There it is. Really? No, no, that was much like you have the ecology flag. That's a department of ecology? It is. Really? No, no, that was, much like you have the rainbow flag now, we had the ecology flag back in the 70s. Oh, okay, I see, I see.

You're too young for all that, see? I see, I see. Okay. And they get the Time Magazine, if you can, with the globe on the front of it and the coming ice age, I think is the title on the Time Magazine. I was an enthusiast for all this. And when it didn't come true, I thought,

hmm, hubris, not a good thing. Panic, not a good thing. Humans have a way of solving problems. We reflexively deal with what comes our way. But go ahead, guys, Allison, I interrupt you. Well, no, I was just thinking about how there has been so much focus on climate change in the media and so little focus on so many really persistent and bad, imminent threats to the

environment that we just don't talk about. And I think one of the things that I started to question was this, first off, climate change is a political lightning rod. It splits people who would otherwise maybe be able to agree on like, I don't want to spray Roundup on my weeds. I don't want polysorbate in my foods. Like, well, you don't believe in climate change. Well, we're not going to work together.

We hate people like you. Well, we hate people like you because you believe in climate change. You know, so it's a very divisive politically topic. And I think it keeps people who might otherwise actually work on some of these really serious problems. I mean, like the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, for instance, people would maybe care about this,

but it turned into this badge of honor for one side and badge of honor for one side and badge of rebellion for another to the point where it was hard for people like me who were not a Republican or a Democrat, like didn't really fit into either party to have like conversations with people or even like fine folks who were like-minded, who wanted, you know, 100% grass-fed beef, for instance,

and didn't want chemicals in their food to like, say I had also conservative values as well, well, they would always look at you kind of with a side eye because really because of climate change, because it got sort of put into this, like if you cared about the environment, you must be somebody who's like forcing people to drive an electric vehicle. And so I really think it's had perhaps intentionally, I don't know, it has had that effect of really, I think being politically divisive and keeping folks who might otherwise work on serious environmental issues

from working together. And I wonder about that sometimes about that focus. Yeah, we weren't like that then in the seventies. It wasn't that kind of thing at all. It was a sort of spirited debate, really, what you would say. But I bring this up because you have a first amendment lawsuit underway, yes.

And I'm interested in free speech. I'm interested in being able to say these things and not being canceled, whether it's your weed on your field or whether it's climate change or whether it's any of these issues or inseminating cows, you need to be able to speak about it.

So what's happening? Yeah. Well, unfortunately, the judge dismissed the case over the statute of limitations. So it's gone. Yeah. And it's gone. Yeah. And it was a two day interpretation.

Your producer reminded me of the interpretation over the statute of limitations with Trump's recent trial and how like if you want to see something go to trial, you'll be like, oh yeah, there's a rule that'll allow you to have 25 years to file. But if you don't want something to go to trial, you're like, oh, you missed it by 16 minutes. Sorry. And so my attorneys had one interpretation of the expiration date, essentially, and the

state had a different interpretation. And it was literally a matter of like a day and a half. And the judge went with the state, which I guess, guess you know was not surprising that she sided with them so yeah I asked my attorneys if I should appeal they said that I would never win the state was asking for for attorney's fees for me to pay their attorney's fees and I was in a position yeah I just did not have the right really just it didn't seem like it was the right thing to do to, to appeal it.

Yeah, it was really tough. It was very shocking, silly shocking. There's the Time Magazine's. Kayla's putting the Time Magazine's up now. The big freeze is coming. There it is. Yep. And then the acid rain one.

There you go. Acid rain, acid rain, everybody. The silent plague. And then it becomes Arctic Meltdown. Which is it? Is it the Arctic Meltdown or is it the big freeze everybody? Which is it? Come on now.

But what were you, what was the, let's put the case to the court of public opinion. What were you alleging? The Washington department of natural resources for which I was shooting videos about wildfire and forest health. I was working on the communications team after losing my job.

Well, sorry, I quit television news. I lost my job at DNR over my podcast. So when I quit TV news, I took a job as a communication specialist at DNR. I was doing these wildfire videos. They knew I had a podcast on the side. They encouraged me to continue it. Everything was fine until I started interviewing doctors

and scientists during COVID who were censored. They said that they had a vaccine mandate and as a communications department official, I was not allowed to talk to people who were quote, undermining their mandate. I said it was on my personal time using my personal gear. They couldn't tell me who I could associate with or what they could say on my free time.

They're the government. I have a first amendment right. They disagreed and fired me. So we filed the lawsuit. And unfortunately I'll never know what would have been decided. free time, they're the government, I have a First Amendment right, they disagreed and fired me, so we filed a lawsuit. And unfortunately, I'll never know what would have been decided. I was fascinated to be able to go through the process and see how this whole thing worked. I was probably more interested in that, to be able to show people what it was like. So it's, you know, it was shocking to me that it came down to just a statute of limitations

issue. But like I said, I mean, I think the real fight honestly, Dr. Drew is that people will just keep talking. I really believe that protecting the first amendment, if we just keep talking and we're not quiet, will not require attorneys anymore to sue in a corrupt judicial system. So if we had all kept talking

and refused to have been silenced during COVID, I don't think people like me would have lost our jobs. It would have been impossible to come after everybody. But because so many people were scared, there were more consequences. You know, it was kind of ironic in that regard. People were quiet because they were afraid of the consequences, but because they were quiet, there were more consequences. And so if we just keep talking, we will protect the First Amendment. If we quiet down and think that attorneys and lawsuits are going to save the day for

the Constitution, I think we are wrong. So keep talking. That's my message for everybody. That is the best way. I agree. But the people were, I guess I'll use the word legitimately scared. They had reason to be scared. I think the other thing to keep an eye on

is how far government is able to go. And that we have to figure out ways to not let that happen again, because people didn't want to lose their job. People didn't want to lose their reputation. I understand that. You're going to have to be courageous next time. I didn't expect to be using the word courage

at this point in my life, but the courage was required and it's gonna be even more required next time because we all know what this is. We all know what they do to us. And if enough of us, it's like Corolla always says, if we'd all just gone to the beach, they couldn't have closed the beach. We'd all just shown up that day,

as opposed to them getting that once, what is he, not a surfer, he was on some kind of board and he was arrested. If we'd all been there lying on the beach, there would have been no arrest. I mean, it's just, it's beyond. And I would love the individuals to be held accountable that told you that we have a mandate

and you're undermining our mandate. Those people, I'd very minimum want an apology from them, but those people need to be held accountable. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, the commissioner of public lands, Hillary Franz, who was the chief, you know, I had a manager under her, but she was ultimately my boss. She ran for governor during this whole process,

like right around the time we were filing lawsuits. So when you're dealing with, she's very high up in the Democrat party, she was running for governor. And you think that the judge in my case doesn't, she was appointed by Biden, she doesn't know these people, they don't all know each other from the, I mean, how do you have justice, I guess,

in a system like that? If you think about my situation just as its own little microcosm here I am, you know, I'm suing someone who's very popular who has you know because Washington's a left-leaning state and has has a lot of connections in the Democrat Party shows running for governor and You know, I have a judge on my case that was appointed by Biden. How can you? I mean, I'm not saying people shouldn't. If you feel called to like sue over the constitution, look, I did it. I'm just saying that that can't be our only play. We have to be willing to just do the thing,

to just say no when your doctor tells you you have to have this, to speak out when the government says you have to shut up. At some point, me, okay, they tell you that raw milk can't be sold, it has to be pet food. Well, you know what, then I'm gonna get my own cow. I guess I just, I'm one of those people who just doesn't learn her lesson

when it comes to being told to sit in time out. So that's what I'm doing now. And I just encourage other people, whatever that is for you, yeah, there may come a time where you're gonna sue and change a law, but just the action itself, it does make a difference. And like you said, yeah, the beach analogy

or that moment where Adam said that, that's exactly the point. If there are more of us that are willing to do it, there will be far less consequences and there'll be less to be afraid of. But the more we're afraid and the less we do, there will be a lot more to be afraid of, but the more we're afraid and the less we do, there will be a lot more to be afraid of. Yeah, and I also, I think the tribes

need to examine themselves. You know, when did the Democratic Party become totalitarian and corrupt and inclusive? You know, it's the opposite of a Democratic Party I used to be a member of and used to admire some of the stuff that was going on. And it's just now it's everything bad. I mean, it's all the most sinister sort of impulses

all in the name of good. But as Mark Chiengkize always teaches me, it's a social ill is always done in the name of good, always. And this is that, this is, you know, and if you're, and by the way, if you're signaling virtue that you're establishing yourself as better than other people because you care more, you have more virtue, you know better, dangerous,

dangerous, dangerous place to be. Well, I'm sorry that happened, but I agree with you. You. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I've learned so much and I know that the best is yet to come. I get to be a mom and farm, which is not something that I thought

I would be doing 10 or 15 years ago. And I love my life. So, what I said when I announced that my lawsuit was over was that one of my biggest takeaways was that you can choose the path of righteousness at great cost and you will get through it. I really believe that. Maybe that's at the end of the day, my faith that this isn't the end anyway. This is just the beginning, this life that we're living right now.

I mean, maybe that's a huge part of it, I guess. But even here, if you were just to look at it, the support, like just being on your show, for instance, you're the only person, by the way, who I've ever been on their podcast that sent me a handwritten note in the mail. So I have to tell everybody that Dr. Drew's the real deal. He sends you a real handwritten note in the mail. I just think that, you know,

you can choose the path of courage and righteousness. And I did, in that moment, I decided to say no to what I knew was wrong of them to ask me to stop doing these interviews. They said I could keep my job if I, I wasn't just fired right away. I had the chance to comply with them. I could still have that job and it was a good job.

We had our health insurance through that. It paid a decent salary, but the generosity of others around me, the blessings that God has poured on our life and the fact that I can look out my window and see goats now and my kids playing around in the grass, I'm okay. I'm okay and I would do it all over again. I would do it all over again.

I have no regrets. I just think, yeah, there is a life after that. We appreciate what you've done also. And it is odd how these experiences, it builds resilience, it builds creativity. You find ways to make better from what you thought you had. But one last thing, although it's frustrating to deal with the stuff that we all are dealing with,

it's nowhere near as frustrating of what chickens have to deal with from the male counterparts. Yes, do you have that video? Yes, I do. Tell me about that. I recently learned that, okay, well I didn't even know how roosters and chickens,

and hens, sorry, roosters are chickens. I didn't even know how roosters and hens had sex. I didn't know how that happened until I became a farmer. And then, you know, one day I saw my rooster jump on my hen and so I'm like, okay, that's how it works. As my neighbor who's 88 says, it's just a hop and a pop. It's just really fast. Ducks, they take a little bit longer. They're a lot more romantic than chickens So unfortunately roosters they'll pick a few that are their favorite

Hera members and then the other ladies are kind of like left to do whatever and They'll ride them so hard and so many times that they will literally just Wipe the the feathers off of their backs. So I started coming into the coupon, like I'm noticing. It looks very irritated. We don't have the video. You'll have to look it up everybody if you want to see the video, but it looks very irritated.

It's on YouTube. Sex Saddles for Chicken, I think is the name of the YouTube. Yes, that's what I learned. So like you can put a saddle on your chicken and then the rooster will ride on the saddle and then the feathers will grow back and everything will be fine. Now people have been like,

why don't you just get rid of the rooster? And that's fair. And I was actually get rid of this particular rooster, but he chased the hawk away one day. He was like close on the chopping block. And I walked out and I saw this hawk land right next to my chickens and he charged ahead like a knight in shining armor and he chased the hawk away

and all my hens are alive. And so I'm like, okay, this is why you have a rooster. I mean, yeah, there it is. And I have to give them a shout out that's down under is the saddle. They make them, I guess they're in Australia, down under. That's what my chicken looked like. They make amazing chicken saddles and they have,

they've, they've, they've, they've, they're not. God. See, that's how, and it hasn't even had shoulder pads. I didn't expect, I didn't expect to hear those words spoken today. They make amazing chicken saddles, but they do, I guess. The YouTube comments, the YouTube comments are hilarious. There were like people, they're like, it's 2 a.m. exactly what I expected to find on YouTube,

be DSM for chickens, sex saddles for chickens, you know? So yeah, that has almost 2 million views now. I mean, that one for some reason was not censored, but my like nine foot weed in my pasture, that was too much. So who knows what's going on over there at YouTube. You'll never be censored here. We appreciate you coming in and keep fighting the fight.

And let's all keep, as you say, talking, talking, talking loud, wherever we have a chance. Thanks, Allison. Where do you want people to go to find you? I guess locals, allisonmorrow.locals.com. That's probably where I'm the most active, but I'm on all the platforms, Facebook, Instagram. And then my farming channel is Off Griddish Living.

Off Griddish Living. So go there if you like farm stuff. Nice. All right, my friend, talk to you soon. Thank you. Off Griddish. Bye. You got it.

And I want to talk about what's coming up. Do you have the guest list up there where our next up can you guys, I know Emily's been hard at work. There it is. Philip Eichmann, David Cahate, Mama June and Pumpkin coming in. Dr. Ben Watson's coming in

and talk a little bit update on the longevity. Kennedy on the 29th, very kindly is going to join us. She and I've had some interesting talks lately when we finish up the Gutfeld show, because we have been together as long longer than Jenny and I have been together. Kennedy I've known since the late eighties, I think, or maybe early, early nineties.

What's that Susan? You have to say it louder. Cannot hear what you're saying. She's gonna have to come over here and whisper it to me, I guess. Yes, yes, that's what we're going to do. I'm going to do that. She goes, do the V-strap, talk about the product. All right, I'm going to do it.

So here it is. I've spoken. Listen, this is stuff that I have created. I really have waited until now because I have the opportunity to do so and the products are so good, I want to tell you about them. So I spent most of my life trying to prevent illnesses that shorten life.

We now have new ways to extend it and extend wellness. I've been working with the V-Shred team to come up with these products. Everything I wanted in longevity and wellness supplements. So in our boost has nicotinamide riboside. You can, you know, metal can rust and oxid supplements. So in our boost has nicotinamide riboside. You know, metal can rust and oxidizes. Well, the biological system behave in a similar way. And it's in a molecule called NAD is what fights that back,

but NAD falls as we age. And we are less able to fight off the process of oxidation. Taking NAD doesn't work. You have to take nicotinamide riboside to raise the NAD. You could take INAD IV, but that costs thousands of dollars. But you got to push back the oxidative processes, improves health, longevity. And I added PQQ to enhance mitochondrial function,

again, antioxidant and growth, particularly in skeletal muscles, because loss of muscle mass, sarcopenia as we age, is the other big problem. The other product I have is Senesync. I put in this, I put resveratrol, try to enhance amongst other things, and oxidative stressors,

but also fight off zombie cells with Fisetin and improve killer T cell function, which has been down in the days of post-COVID, post-COVID vaccine. All right, so with that, I would just want to, we can kind of go up there further, sir. Keep going. Keep going. All right, so with that, I would just want to, we can kind of go up there further, sir. Keep going.

Keep going. There we are. I want you to go to dr.com slash vshred for 10% off. That is dr.com slash vshred MD. These, it's the Senescent. So what I think we do, what we should all be doing is taking, Susan, what are you taking?

Fatty, right? Centisynx, two tablets, and our booze. What I take every day. Every day, every day, every day. And if I look younger than my age, this would probably be why. It shouldn't happen otherwise, that's for sure. My poor body's been through a lot.

Not the least is the workaholism. Speaking of workaholism, again, dr.com slash vshredmd. Let's talk quickly about President Trump and his Venus insufficiency. Everyone's all, oh my God, Venus insufficiency. All right. I thought that the way Carolyn, is it Carolyn Levitt? That's her name? The press secretary. Yeah. Pres presented this condition was extremely well done. So what she described was that he'd had a venous Doppler, which is what you do when you look at any,

when leg swells, particularly asymmetrical, the bruise in the hand is from his aspirin therapy, which is I'm glad he's on mini dose aspirin. You should see my forearms, they look way worse from taking chronic aspirin, which is a good idea. But when you get swelling in your legs, particularly if it's asymmetrical, you get a Doppler of the veins to see

if there's a clot in them. And what they found in his case was that they were open. Then they did an echocardiogram to make sure that his heart wasn't failing and fluid wasn't backing up behind the heart and going down to the legs. Lo and behold, everything was clean, everything was normal. And what he has is something that most 80 year olds get at some point, especially if you're overweight,

President Trump, you gotta lose some weight. It is all a function of gravity. As we age, veins, Caleb, I may have to have you throw this up here. Look up Venus deep vein valves. Veins have valves in them. People don't know that. Of every few inches, there are these valves

so that the full effect of a column of blood is not felt by the legs. But as we age and we live so long now, those valves start breaking apart and you end up with a solid column of blood in the deep Venus system. And that produces tremendous pressure out around the feet. And so fluid exudes out into the soft tissue

from that column of blood. And it's called venous insufficiency. Leg edema secondary to venous insufficiency. And the treatment is weight loss. Treatment is leg elevation, tight stockings, and leg elevation, and maybe walking. Walking can sometimes be helpful because the contraction of the calf muscles helps move the blood back up into the inferior vena cava.

But it's so common and women get it more than men, probably because of pregnancy that that already causes that problem. There's things like that start happening in pregnancy. So I would say 90% of my 80 year old patients have it. Let's remind ourselves. I believe President Trump is 78 now Is that his age Susan? Can you look that up for me? 79 but he's getting towards that age when he is particularly is overweight and here's Caleb putting the Formal definite the definition of a damaged valve. You can be all veins, the walls sort of expand. What's that Caleb?

It's 79. 79, okay. Particularly adults over 50, though, if you're 50 and getting this, I'm a little more concerned, there's other stuff, but at 80 you're getting it, that's pretty much normative. You know, there's a lot of things that happen when you age that people don't know about it, don't think about.

That's why I'm promoting things to help reduce some of the consequences of all that. Should we send Trump some of that NR? Yeah, I know, it's too late. You gotta take it for a while. You gotta take it for a long time to have the full effects. That's the other thing, plan to take these things forever. Yeah, also.

I'm taking them from now on, that's it. Isn't NR good for trying to get pregnant too? Isn't that a... If you remember, we had Dr. Amy in here and we gave the NR to our friend Kat Timp and she got pregnant immediately. After freezing eggs. After having frozen eggs

and going through fertility treatment, we gave her the NR, she got pregnant. And Dr. Amy confirmed that that was happening a lot. So it's not just for old people. She was giving between 500 milligrams and a thousand milligrams of NR for pregnancy. So two pills, which is two pills. Correct. So that's my, that's my presentation

for this afternoon. Excuse me. Somebody on Rumble said, someone find me a woman to impregnate. Well, that sounds like a rant. Get your NR out. There it is. Elijah fire.

Yeah. So we're, we're he writes in all caps and kind of annoys some people, but he's okay. We, so we're we're he writes in all caps and kind of annoys some people but he's okay. We got the step one. Sir step one to findings come on to impregnate is to stop typing in all caps that annoys women a lot. Just just some advice. Yes, it's annoying.

Well, we welcome all over the ranch. Anyway you come. Just don't say mean things. We've got a bunch of comedians on the Rumble, on the free streams today. Mahalo Lurking Feds. Just looking through what you guys are saying. You talked about chickens and now you've got everybody in a good mood. I was efforting a joke when I said cow cloaca

and I was corrected immediately. Cows have vaginas, they're mammals. I guess, yes, I know, I know. It was not a joke when I said cow cloaca and I was corrected immediately. Cows have vaginas, they're mammals. I guess, yes, I know, I know. It was not a good joke. But I always rely on the internet to correct me or cancel me depending on how it goes. I guess it's a cap thing over on salty nation, salty whatever.

They use a lot of caps. Like when they go re, it's always all caps. Yeah, so don't forget our friend, Salty Cracker. This is a re cup. This is, that is, I guess somebody's rendition of what Salty Cracker looks like. Did you have fun today, Drew? I did have fun.

It was good to see Jenny again. It was fun dealing with her son. He seems like a great kid. I like Allison. Allison is always good and always welcome. It's just her, her fortitude and her patience always impresses me. She just keeps moving.

And that's that resiliency. Hey, look, everybody, if you want to do, there are like three or four things you can really do today to improve your life and your mental health. A, find meaning. B, most of that meaning is through service, so find service, lean in, lean things.

You know, we've been talking to you and I about anxiety lately, and I had a little bit of anxiety this afternoon, I thought, oh, I've been through so much anxiety in my life and had to lean into it, that anxiety just doesn't bother me anymore. And resiliency and self-efficacy comes through leaning in, lean into discomfort, lean into challenges.

Take me when you're younger, you go for a safe space, you are impaired, you're going to abort any future growth. So it look, and where you can make a difference for other people by all means do that. And what is most important is one, having something to offer and offering it to one other person. Not saving the world. That tends to be a fool's error in terms of fulfilling that human need for meaning making. It's a good impulse to want to save the world, but it doesn't fill

that same meaning making necessity that humans have. So lean in, resilience, just like Alison is what prompted me to say that. She's got canceled, so she leaned into another project. She got, you know, first amendment was impinged upon, she did went after it to learn more, to lean in, didn't go the way she wanted. Now we're gonna do free speech. Keep leaning, keep moving, keep working towards what you value and have your compass straight

and try to develop values that are in line with your compass, let's put it that way. And we probably should get Rob Henderson back in here to talk about values and luxury beliefs and all this stuff again. So, all right, I've rambled on enough. We got lots of good guests coming. We appreciate Jenny and Alison being here with us today.

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