Ask Dr. Drew - Jillian Michaels Tears Into Gavin Newsom After Losing Home In Wildfire – But Can Spencer Pratt & Trisha Paytas Save California? w/ Elaine Culotti on Palisades Wildfire Disaster – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 577

Episode Date: January 18, 2026

As wildfires tore through California and forced over 100,000 evacuations, even Leftist celebrities began criticizing LA Mayor Karen Bass and Gov. Gavin Newsom – and some left the Left altogether. Jillian Michaels, who lost her Malibu home in the 2018 Woolsey fire, tells NewsNation the state’s response to wildfires and its COVID lockdown policies changed her views after a lifetime in deep blue California. Amidst the latest Newsom and Bass scandals, two celebrities have taken steps to fix the state: former reality star Spencer Pratt, who lost his home in the Palisades fire, and Trisha Paytas, who says becoming a mother in 2022 made her more concerned about the future of California. Can celebrities save California – and the country – from Gavin Newsom? Jillian Michaels is a fitness expert, entrepreneur, and media personality. She created The Fitness App, which won best-of awards from Google and Apple, and hosts the Apple award-winning podcast Keeping It Real. She has authored eight New York Times best-selling books and is CEO of Empowered Media LLC. Learn more at https://jillianmichaels.com and follow her at https://x.com/jillianmichaels Elaine Culotti is an entrepreneur, designer, sustainable farmer, and former star of Undercover Billionaire. A native Californian, she advocates for improved wildfire response, water infrastructure, and disaster preparedness, drawing on her background in construction and development. Follow at https://x.com/lipstickfarmer 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 • AUGUSTA PRECIOUS METALS – Thousands of Americans are moving portions of their retirement into physical gold & silver. Learn more in this 3-minute report from our friends at Augusta Precious Metals: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/gold⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or text DREW to 35052 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠• FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • VSHREDMD – Formulated by Dr. Drew: The Science of Cellular Health + World-Class Training Programs, Premium Content, and 1-1 Training with Certified V Shred Coaches! More at https://drdrew.com/vshredmd • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Executive Producers • Kaleb Nation - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ • Susan Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/firstladyoflove⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Content Producer & Booking • Emily Barsh - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/emilytvproducer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hosted By • Dr. Drew Pinsky - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/drdrew⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right. First, Gillian Michaels, but after Gillian, I've got Elaine Kulati coming back in here. She has, she's a star of undercover billionaire, and she's got some interesting project going on with mayors in California. She's got a lot to say about what is going on in California, as does Gillian Michaels. And while I always feel like Gillian does not lead any introduction, I will. She's an entrepreneur, media personality, fitness expert, and she is part of my friend group in actual friends that she and I and Sage Steel and Dave Rubin do together. I think comes out every Thursday. I have to check with Jillian on that. I might come out on Friday. And she is on fire lately. She has authored eight New York Times bestselling books, CEO of Empowered Media LLC. Find out more with Gillian Michaels.com. Gillian is J-I-L-L-I-A. J-I-L-A-N-S.

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Ah, there I am. I see you. I have to apologize for my voice. I, I, we were doing actual friends today. I'll fix my hair. You go ahead. It's all right. Fair enough.

So I have this, I've had this cough forever now, it seems like. And then my son's household got influenza A, and I'm taking Tamifluid to try to hold off the influenza. And I think, I think this is the vestige of influenza A I've got here. It's just crazy. I tested negative for everything yesterday, but maybe I'll test myself again. Any event, so when does our actual friends come out? Is it Thursday or Friday? It comes out Friday, I believe. I don't think this looks any better. I'm sorry, Doc. I try to pull myself together quick for you. But you do, you sound like crap. I'm so sorry. Thank you. I'll be praying for you.

The thing about being as well known as you are, every version of you is still Jillian Michaels. You know what I mean? So you don't have to worry about perfect hair. It's still, no, it's Jimmy Michaels. That's what we want to hear from. I appreciate that because it's far from perfect today. That's good.

This is what happens when you're amongst friends. You can show up for their show being totally disheveled. It's all good. So here's somebody I didn't realize about you. And I'm, you know, I'm always learning more about you these days. But that you were an early, I don't want to say adopter necessarily, but you were early on to the Newsome incompetencies and the fact that fires could easily consume your home.

Tell us what happened to you. Gosh, okay. I guess I woke up. You're absolutely right. in 2018 when my house burned in the Wolesley fire. And I'll put this out there. We were well insured at the time, exceptionally lucky, lost no one, not one animal, nothing. We lived on a farm.

So when I say not one animal, there were quite a few animals. Having said that, what happened after is what woke me up to what I would literally call. the corruption created by Gavin Newsom. And the bottom line is that red tape was weaponized against homeowners so that you couldn't rebuild and you would have to tap out. And after a year of trying to get a permit just to clean up the property, if you have a mortgage, you're paying your mortgage, your insurance eventually runs out on temporary housing. I was a year into it. And I didn't even have a permit to clean up the property. So long story short, myself and many other residents tapped out and you sell the property. But I realize now so much of that is by design and we can

get into it, but all of the different elements that created this disaster. And have subsequently created it for people in the Palisades fire, the Eaton fire, every fire in between those fires, I strongly now believe is by design. Well, they certainly take advantage of us when it happens. I don't know if you saw Adam Corolla's a little selfie sort of video he did, the night of the fire, or maybe it was the next night. He's on his selfie and just goes, there will be no permits for a year. If you've never done, if you've ever dealt with building and safety and the Coastal Commission,

you don't understand. There will be no. building unless somebody already was building and they have their permits in place, they burn down and they'll just pick back up again. Even those people took a year to get going again. And as you said, they took the opportunity to buy properties as people topped out, tapped out for low-income housing. So Palisades will now be a different kind of place, I guess.

I don't know. Good for California. Well done, everybody. Yeah. And the other thing is... The history of this is long, though, Doc. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm interrupting you.

Yes. And I... Look, I talk to Tom. What's the guy that's running for... Help me, Caleb. Guy's running for governor right now. He's a billionaire. Not Hilton.

No, no, no. Steve is great. This guy's name is Tom. Tom starts with an S, like safer or something like that. Anyway, he is the guy that pushed through... the electric car bill for California. If you remember, we have to be all electric by 2036 or something. That's his bill.

And I interviewed him on the television one night. I had a television show every night during COVID, okay? And so me and Alex Michelson, which is a reporter what was going on. And he came on to talk about his glorious victory. And I said, okay. I said, so what is it you're actually trying to achieve here by making everybody electric? Oh, global warming, blah, blah, blah. I said, what about the carbon from the forest fires every year that one of these forest fires will undo, no, that's not him, will undo literally everything you have attempted.

A decade of electric cars is undone with one of these giant fires. So what are we doing here? Why aren't you spending that money on forestry management? Why aren't we doing fire breaks? Why aren't we making sure that the underbrushes is dealt with? We used to have armies in these hills right up behind me of firefighters that would go up every day and deal with this shit. And you would see the crisscross of the fire breaks all over the hills. And guess what?

We didn't have these kinds of out of control fires then. But oh, no, no, no. There was a migratory mouse and there was some rare plants. And that was the end of it. That was the end of it. Tom Steyer. That's him. That's the guy's day.

Okay. Now I know who you're talking about. You know, this is even more diabolical. When you look at all of the factors that had to converge just so, back in 2014, there was a bill that was passed to create, I think it was like 11 or 12 more reservoirs, not one has been built. The fact that the reservoir uphill from the Palisades fire was empty for a year and a half for the repair of a cover that somehow never got repaired.

And the reason uphill matters is because when they have to turn off the power because of winds, it's downhill. Water will flow downhill. The hydrants were dry. We knew these fires were coming. Here's one that's even more nefarious. They knew that a fire had been lit, I think, several days prior. And the firefighters wanted to go back.

And they were like, we don't think we put this out. They wouldn't let them go back. And there's some policy that prevent. them from bringing in certain equipment into national parks to put out the fire, knew some vetoed bills on forestry management. Tell me, let me guess, a field mouse. No, worse, rare plant. Rare plant. There are some rare plants that would get trampled by the equipment. So how are those plants now, everybody? I was just going to say, yeah, how are the, good, Doc, great question. You know, it is so much deeper. It also comes down to the.

fact that none of these utility companies have been made to update infrastructure. So my fire was a $10 hook that was like 80-something years old. And PG&E got away with it because they're one of the top contributors to Newsom's gubernatorial campaign. I mean, this is so deep and diabolical that one could literally wrap themselves in tinfoil and go down the rabbit hole here. to wonder if this wasn't intentional when he also, last thing I'll say, has clear all of the red tape for the billionaires and the monster corporations and the foreign governments

that will buy up this land to make low-income housing subsidized by the state. Yeah. And in a different area where we have no mayor from Los Angeles, and we have a different board of supervisor, a county board of supervisors supervising over here in Altadena. which is the other fire, that was the Eaton Canyon fire, things are going okay there. You don't hear that much complaints about there from the beginning. Because from the beginning, that fire was managed, everything functioned the way it should.

Essentially, it's Pasadena over there. And that's a different, it's a whole different world over here in Pasoia. And people were like, okay, well, you know, it's an act of God, act of nature. We understand you did the best you could, and it was horrible. But it wasn't because of infrastructure failure that it was, as bad as it was. It was because the winds were so horrible. And now they're doing an okay job of rebuilding.

It's hard. It's hard for them. I thought it was a utility company issue, Doc. Was it not in Eaton? I thought it was another utility company. There was an, I think there was an SEC problem, right? What they call it? I thought that it was another.

Southern California Edison. Yeah, but, but it's, it may be, but it wasn't like there were no fire hydrants and the firemen were working hard. I see what you're saying. All the civil, you know, all the civil services were working as best they could. It just was too much.

They just couldn't handle it. But I want to switch topics for a second because as I'm talking to, I'm just, my mind is kind of spinning a little bit on something, which is you. So you start on, yeah, I don't know this. I want to understand something about you because you're, we're getting to know each other. We've been a lot of stuff together. But I'm getting to know you better as time goes on. And my admiration goes up, which is not always the case with everybody. So that's the good news for Jim.

But you start on the biggest loser, right? What were you doing then when that all happened to you? I owned a sports medicine facility, actually. And I initially thought that I was going to franchise that. At the time, there was a business called Curves. It was one of the first fitness franchise models. So I thought, oh, you know, if I do this, that'll bring visibility to, you know, my gym and my wellness spa and all of that. And long story short, I ended up becoming the brand.

What I think now is against all odds. But that's what I was up to. And so then they just flashed up the New York Times article about you, which is how did Gillian Michaels end up here? So bring me forward. There it is. bring me forward because that's the same question I'm really kind of asking because your fund of knowledge and your facility and your judgment and the contribution you make is pretty extraordinary. So tell me how we get here.

I think we get here with some built-in desire, need, damage. I don't know what you want to call it. That feels like I have to fight bad ideas. I am compelled to take on bad ideas, especially because I think they aren't uttered naively. I think that there's malicious intent behind bad ideas. And I could give you a million different examples because I feel like Don Quixote

tilting at windmills all the time. But it's just, you know, these things do a lot of harm to the most vulnerable. And it paces me off. That is just, it makes me so angry. I just, like,

I'll give you an example that's unrelated and I'm sure you're not expecting, but I've had to talk about it in the last 24 hours. Oprah Winfrey has come out with this weight loss book that she wrote with a, weight loss doctor that works with the weight loss companies after having already made hundreds of millions of weight loss drugs and is now spreading the lie that you overeat because you're obese. And it's one thing to talk about the ways in which obesity impacts your hormonal

balance and your satiety hormones. But the reality is she's basically trying to disempower people and say and placate them and exploit their vulnerabilities to say, listen, in case you felt ashamed of this, in case you felt unworthy, it's not your fault. You need these drugs. And I'm like, you evil, you, how much money do you need? Like if somebody wants the drugs, by all means, this is America. Talk to your doctor, you may very well be a candidate. But to lie about the science and to disempower people in order to make a buck especially when you are one of the richest women in the world. I'm like, oh my God, it just makes me so angry. It's that and it's all of it, Doc. Maybe that huge estate up in Santa Barbara costs more than we imagine, but whatever.

But I heard her on the view say the following. It's the fall. I really, I sent it to a bunch of people because it was so sort of, I don't know, ridiculous, I guess. Yeah, she goes, she goes, I thought that the problem was I was overeating. But it turns out if you have obesity, the obesity gene makes you overeat. And therefore, you have to take a pill or a medicine or whatever, shot. But what's so interesting about that and really the most disturbing part about it is it reinforces this notion we have. have in our culture that, well, first of all, everything should be in a pharmacological agent. I mean, the same women, I'm sure, is complaining about the influence of big pharma on all these

things. But, okay, yeah, happiness becomes from pharmacology. No, it does not. Pharmacology is always dangerous. It'll be interesting to see if she has any serious side effects. I've seen a number. It'll be very interesting if she continues that enthusiastic call to use the drug. But it also goes, Corolla's always talking about this. It shifts us away from personal responsibility and hard work and all the things you were doing at your

sports center. And you're and I and you have seen people do great for long periods of time with hard work. It's so much darker than that though, Doc, because it also negates any trauma,

any eating disorders, the entire psychological piece, which you can speak to better than anyone, that's a huge component. You know, when, like, if we were to honestly look at Oprah, she's got a huge amount of trauma in her background. This is not a woman that was born. Sexual abuse, physical abuse, and she's talked about it. God bless her, you know, but it's bad. Exactly. So with many individuals that have a similar story, again, you know, I'm preaching to the choir here, but really, I'm talking to your audience, food becomes a defense structure, a coping mechanism.

And to give you an obvious example, somebody who may have been incested or raped might put on the way to desexualize and they're not doing it consciously. They're doing it unconsciously. But I would argue that's probably a big reason of why she struggled with this. Oh, go ahead, Doc. And not just de-sexualized. You've described it perfectly, except there is this phenomenon that some people develop after being a trauma survivor of putting on a big body to get.

keep people away from them. Right. It's literally a distancing mechanism. Yeah. Protection. Exactly. And so here we are. There's one more though. Doug, one more thing that she does. By doing this, she also completely lets big food off of the hook. Because if we wanted to indict villains, then we would go after big food. I mean, the system has been rigged. It is exceptionally harder because they have engineered the food to be hyper palatable and paying all the pleasure centers of your brain so you literally can't eat just one. But that's not what she's trying to accomplish. She's not trying to solve any problems. She's trying to make another quick buck and she's hurting people in the process. And that stuff just makes me so friggin angry and I'm like a moth to

a flame with it. Anyway. And so I saw you promoting a documentary on Fox Nation about this very issue. Can you tell us about that? Yeah. So long story short, Fox Nation had come to me and they said we want to do a documentary about our food crisis in America. Can you gather a group of experts on the subject matter and let's put a little something together? Now, of course, I would have wanted it to be a 10-part series on big pharma and big insurance and big ag and all of that, but I think you've got to start somewhere. And what this really does is help people identify those villains that I just referenced, the ones that play in. huge role in making 74% of American adults overweight or obese. And of course, the correlation

with obesity to comorbidities is staggering. So it looks at that and it helps people understand the ways in which the system is rigged and it subsequently gives them the tools to turn things around. I'm not saying it's going to be easy. It's not. It's simple, but it's not easy. At least the steps are accessible and they're affordable and knowledge is power. Yes. And I might argue, I don't know this to be true because I've not really gone into detail with it, that usually businesses are fairly, I mean, they do sinister things once in a while, but they're generally kind of neutral. They just do the best they can with the environment they're given. It's the regulations and the lobbyists and all these other influences from government. I worry that that is,

Let me just tell you, that's how the opioid crisis happened. Government did that. Well, with my profession. My profession plus government, because much like COVID, right? Back in the day, we had these enthusiast physicians who decided that pain should never be experienced in the United States. We ended up prescribing 90% of the opiates in the world of the Vicodon right here in this country. And they did that by going from state to state and getting the regulatory system, the state medical society, the state board, everything, the local, the local boards and Department of Mental Health,

all of them got in on it. Sound familiar, that's the way, that's what happened during COVID. Remember, what was the woman with the scarf's name? Help me with that, everybody. Oh my gosh, Berks. Was it Berks? Yeah. Burks.

Dr. Berks was running from state to state in demanding, they locked down and that they have mandates. And she was the physicians that are enthusiastic. Be very careful. They are extremely dangerous. Everything in medicine should be done with equanimity and uncertainty and care. Not it must be this way, thus say it the Lord. It's the worst thing in the world. You know, I'm working on a book that looks at the ways in which the four big lobbyists of big ag, big food, big pharma, big insurance. have rigged the game, as I kind of just alluded to. Having said that, the section that I've been working on that is absolutely astounding is the ways in which

Washington has been captured. And Doc, it is so deep. So basically, there are levers. There are mechanisms of power. For example, monopolies. When you look at subsidies, procurements, and contracts, that's capturing the economics. You have to capture the regulators.

You have to capture the narrative. You have to capture the procedure. Procedure being ghostwriting of studies. It is absolutely diabolical campaign finance. I mean, it starts with things like Citizens United, and then it moves into the ways in which doors have been opened for billionaires and monster corporations to control your politicians. primarying them. So don't play along. You're going to put forward policy we don't like. Well,

you're done. There's no chance of ever getting these laws passed because they'll just primary you. They not only won't fund you or finance you, they'll fund and finance your competitor and put you out of the game. It is so deep and so dark and so dirty. I literally was on the phone with my editor before, you know, I came on with you. And I was like, Eric, this is a separate book. Like it is, and Doc, it is the same playbook that you're exactly right, that your industry uses, that my industry uses, that the military industrial complex uses, it is filthy dirty.

There are things we can do, obviously, and we can take agency. What do? What do we do? Let's talk about the personal part of it. You know, I call that escape. If you can take agency, you can escape the system. There are ways to kind of overcome for all and ways that you can be,

active and work to reverse these things or fight against them over time for your community, your global community. Having said that, I like to help people focus on the big rocks. Little things, stop. Get an air purifier. Get a water purifier. Get a walking pad for your home. Get a sleep mask and practice sleep hygiene so you sleep better.

Eat less calories. eat whole foods, give up sugary drinks, give up drinks with calories. Like little things like this, these big rocks are going to help you. But if we talked about what we do, even just what do you do about your insurance,

like you get a high deductible health care plan. I mean, Doc, it is like, it is just that I literally am working on an entire book about what you do, how it's rigged and what you do. But you do have to take control. and you have to do it in ways that you're not conditioned to do. Like, even with insurance, people think, well, I have insurance, so they pay for stuff, but you end up paying more. You end up paying more.

The best way. Having insurance. Yeah. And not only paying more, you have control of the pricing if you come in with cash. So the way to do it is have a high deductible insurance against catastrophe. That was the original intent of insurance. and then a health savings plan, health saving plan to let it grow tax-free to use as you wish.

And physicians believe me, they will respond to pricing pressures. They will. Julian, I got to take a break. When we get back before I let you go, I'm going to do a little bit on Spencer Pratt running for mayor and Tricia Pitas running for governor and what your thought is about celebrities getting into the mix here, okay?

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household cannot get enough and as jillian just said source your food that's why we love these guys they're very very careful with the food that they're sourcing all right jillian jillian michael's everyone and julian uh susan just ran in here and said how did how does jillian find the actual friends podcast and how does she get involved with it? Oh, Dave. I got involved with it through Dave, which I think is kind of how we all got involved with it. Dave was one of the individuals who red-pilled me from the beginning. I remember back in 2020 when the world started inverting itself, I just thought none of this makes sense. And I began to find voices like his.

that resonated with me. And over time, we ended up becoming friends. And he invited me to the platform. And as you know, it's just, it's so nice. You could just show up with your hair looking like, you know, whatever. In your sweatshirt. And you could, I don't know, just be yourself. It's fantastic.

You don't have to be perfectly articulate and on point. And it just, I love it. But to be fair, we cover a lot of ground. I'm always amazed at the minute. I come away and learn a little something every single time. And so I appreciate what you guys bring to the table. We missed Sage this week. And sometimes one of us is out doing whatever.

But do check it out. It's a pretty interesting show this time. But let's talk now about these celebrities running for California office. I personally welcome it. I first of all remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger ran and there was outrage and what does he know? And he was excellent. And by the way, same thing with Ronald Reagan. Oh, it's an actor.

You don't know what these people are capable of. Tricia, they both have long careers. They're both very interesting people. Tricia, I've known for quite some time. She's, there's no one quite like Tricia. Actually, she was running for Congress, not governor. Is that right, Caleb? Yes, Tricia's going for Congress.

Yes. Yeah. She'd be great. Oh, my God, was she mixing up in there. She would create real hell for everybody in there. But he has been spot on in terms of the videos he's been doing about the reconstruction of his neighborhood. It's just been a travesty.

And he's been laying at the feet of the people that are responsible in this state. And they don't do shit. You know what? I think, Doc, I think at this point, what matters most is intention. Because you can have all the experience in the world and wreck everything. And Newsom is a perfect example because he has bad intentions. If you have good intentions, then you surround yourself with experts and you do what's right for the city. I think Spencer has really good intentions.

I heard, and I could be wrong, somebody fact-checked me, that he graduated from USC with a degree in political science? I'm not, right? So I don't know how ignorant he is to all of this, actually. it seems as though he's pretty erudite on the subject matter. Trisha, I don't know. But I'll say again, if she's well-intentioned and she can't be bought and she knows how to surround herself with really intelligent, capable people, I'm all for it.

100%. Very interesting. It's going to be very interesting. But it really, when Gray Davis was booted out of office and we brought Schwarzenegger in, I remember the feeling then was give us anybody, give us Mickey Mouse, we don't care. These assholes have got to go. And we've got to have the same feeling about these people. I don't know what's happened to the California voter.

Well, you left. You got out of here wisely. And many of my friends have, and I totally understand why. But it's such a great state. You lived here for a while. You know how wonderful it is. And it's just being destroyed and sacrificed to. Nothing for no good reason and probably just grift and, you know, like we've learned.

I'm sure we're going to find lots and lots of fraud and when things, they start pulling back the curtain. I think the California voter, well, first of all, 38% of California ended up voting for Trump. And then Newsom passed Prop 50 to basically give Republicans zero representation in California. Now I don't want to just jump down his throat. The gerrymandering game is played by Republicans and Democrats. and I think it sucks across the board. But I don't know that California is as blue through and through as people think. Having said that, the blue team does still have the majority.

And I think that they are the, not to bring up an exceptionally sensitive subject, but I think they are kind of the Renee Goods here. And what I mean by that is they're basically being told Trump is evil, Republicans are evil. They're racists. They're Nazis. They're fascists. They're here to take your abortions. And honestly, the people in, Larry Elder, for example, was pro-life, not pro-choice. It's never going to fly in California. Never, no chance. No way. Conversation kind of ends there for the vast majority of Californians, you know, whether it should or whether it shouldn't separate conversation. But I think that most of the people I know that will vote for Newsom over Larry Elder, despite hating him. It's all of that. It's the never-Trumpers.

It's, you know, the Republicans are the devil. And we're in an existential crisis here in the country with a rogue regime. We must resist at all costs. And yeah, I think it was those 100-mile-an-hour wins. I'm going to give it a pass because I need to put blinders on. I think that's what's happening. It's interesting that we're looking at Trump talking about good there. it's such a horrible tragedy and we don't need to be doing this. It's really, the fact that people foment this is, and Jillian, I worry that we're not teaching women about violence, frankly, as they grow up. Men are, we're taught about violence all the way through our childhood.

We have rough and tumble. All mammals have rough and tumble play, all male mammals. and that rough and double play translates into regulation of our aggressions. And we get punched in the face a few times. We learned what that is. And then young women are raised with, you can't be touched, especially a man can't touch you. And now you're in front of an anxious 24-year-old with a couple of weapons in a 5,000-pound vehicle. And you're spitting in that guy's face.

That is, I mean, that's wild for a man to think about something like that. You know exactly what's going to happen. You know, not only that, though, they're told by, honestly, actors, politicians, pundits, resist. And if you thought, if you told me, hey, this is the secret police. And they're grabbing up Jews and they're sending them to Auschwitz. I mean, if it was 1939, I'd probably be in there. I mean, I'd probably be in that fight. And I just, I have another question for you, though, Doc, because truthfully, I think both the officer and good are pawns in a much bigger power.

Oh, for sure. For sure. What I find hard to understand, and I've been wrestling with this, is why so many of us need to assign blame immediately. It's got to be black and white. It's her fault. Yeah. No, you. It's his fault.

They're both cold-blooded killers. And it's clear that's not the case. They're both victims of a circumstance that is so much bigger than themselves. Yeah. I'm so glad we're having this conversation because this is, I want everyone to make note. This is Jillian Michaels. She is even-handed. She is compassionate.

She doesn't jump to conclusion. She wants us all to think about things before we figure out where we are. When there's a tragedy, we need to understand it as a trap. that we can speak of as a tragedy that we wish to hell it hadn't happened, but that we should, we don't know shit, the, the, the, the citizens. I mean, should we be in Iran, should we not be around? I have no idea. How would I possibly know?

It's just, I don't have the information. I don't have the training. I don't know what the, I should have no way of knowing that kind of thing. So to have an immediate, very strong opinion about it is dumb. It's dumb. And so I agree with you. I don't like the way everybody reacted to this thing. I'm not surprised.

You were the one person that when it happened, you were like, here, but just wait. Somebody is dead. This is horrible. We should be thinking about this. And we should, yeah, there might be some blame, but there's probably blame on both. It's not all black and white.

And people want things to be just all, you know, all black, all white these days. And that is pathological thinking. That's how people with personality disorders think. That's a personality disorder. Is it? That's narcissism. You have to. Okay, right.

It's like you have to be all right. You can't accept that there are some flaws in your thinking, that there are some holes in the argument that maybe you could make some concessions. I don't know. Rational uncertainty. Certitude is irrational, especially with science. This is what Joe Fryman. was framing for us when he did the big, the reaccessed the Pfizer data and guess what,

discovered big, big problems with it. He said, of course, we're just having irrational uncertainty as we open-mindedly evaluate the data and think about these things. It applies to just about everything. And the fact that we run from narrative to ideology to,

oh, it's just, it has got to stop. It has got to stop. It's taking sick people. And like you said, using them, I don't know that these two people were sick, but we are certainly encouraging sick people to act in a sick fashion.

I think that I really do think they're both victims of this situation. I really do. Both of their life is over and I think his life is ruined. And I just see so many different extenuating circumstances that built this powder keg. And I don't know, Doc, it's heartbreaking. And I just, I see these Democrats and they're still doing it. And I'm not trying to just blame the left. I wish Trump would, it's like, listen, I think, you know, listen, is there a way to, you know, people don't want to see good people leave?

One last thing I'll say to you, Doc, I don't know if you have seen this woman. She's a congressman out of Florida. I have to send this to you. She put forward a policy. I think it's called the dignity bill. And she basically said, listen, if you've been in the country for five years, you haven't broken any laws. Oh. You come out of hiding. Yes, I talked to her.

Did you talk to her? I talked to she's a Hispanic. She's a Hispanic woman. Yes. She's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, she's great. And I looked at the comments.

She's like, you have to pay a penalty. You have to give like 1% of your income for the rest of your life to the government. You know, all of these different things, you have to, you know, you have to have been paying taxes. You have to be working. You can't be on any government programs. And in the comments, all of the people were like, I'm conservative and I'll get on board with this. I'm a conservative and this makes sense to me. I also.

think, like, Trump, at times, he digs in harder. And part of me is just thinking, in the court of public opinion here, I think you're losing. I know the law. But I just, I don't know, Doc. I can see ways to de-escalate this. I loved, I love Scott Adams so much we've now lost. But Scott would always help me make sense of what Trump was doing. I'm like, why is he doing that? I don't know. I don't, please stop, stop. And Scott always had a way of examining the behavior and understanding what he was up to. But we don't have that filter right now,

that interpreter for us. So yeah, her name was Elvira Salazar. My Elvira? What's her first answer? Representative Maria Elvira Salazar. She was on the show a few weeks ago. She was very good. Yeah.

Of course you were on top of that. She's hard fighting too, hard fighting. Well, listen, I want to bring in my next guest to show you something, and then I'm going to let you go. But A, she says you have lots of mutual friends in common, so I wanted to get you guys a chance to meet. And then I want her to talk about this billionaire tax that we have coming our way in California. She has some really interesting insights in that. Elaine Kalati is an entrepreneur, designer, a sustainable farmer. She's formerly from the undercover billionaire series, Native California.

and she's doing a whole documentary on representatives and local cities. There's Elaine. So Elaine, before I let Gillian go, I want to give you guys a chance to meet each other. I don't know if you want to share any particular friends in common or just to say you do have a bunch of friends in common. Sure, mutual friends list offline because they're not, you know, I mean, that would be kind of. I mean, I'll say hi to Lori Ann Stevenson. How about that? It's nice to meet you.

and I'm watching closely what you're doing. And I hope that with the new administration coming into California, that maybe you'll take an interest politically here and consider some of the health commission positions that are going to come up because there's going to be a lot. There's five times. You're going to get her back to California in order to have that, I think, right? She has to live in California for that to happen, right?

Wild horses could drag me back. Well, we could back. Having said that, there's really nothing like California. I know a lot of people, you know, know, feel like they've made homes elsewhere. But if we can take back Sacramento, I think most people will come back. So, gosh, do you, if you think that's possible.

So tell Jillian about this billionaire tax and who's leaving as a result of it heading our way? Well, so I wrote a paper called the Great American Credit Union, which is kind of the opposite of it, basically to turn the tax into a loan, a low interest loan, to try to complete, you know, to convince people that leaving costs 5% anyway. So if you go, if they leave, they're staying gone. So hopefully I'll be able to keep a few here. But we've already lost about 18% of the total of the total they're going after. I'm calling them the top 200.

So here's the math that's really crazy and it's almost unbelievable. So California has approximately 40 million people. Only 17 and a half million pay taxes. So less than half pay taxes. And those taxes go into the general fund. The general fund is how we pay our payroll and, you know, road repair, whatever we have to pay. The general fund used to be about $300 billion a year. Now it's already down because of all the people that left already to $265 billion.

So hold on to your bucket. $265 billion a year. 47% of that is from the top $200, which is $122,000 a year. And this tax that they're trying to get, it's only $100 billion. Because this is how Gavin Newsom likes to do things. He's like, okay, what's the problem? How much money do we need? Let's untangle the spaghetti backwards.

Come up with the number. Oh, we need $100 billion. Where can we get it? 5%. These guys have $2 trillion in assets. Let's just stick to that number. The same way they did mansion tax, exactly the same, but even more detrimental. Because in one year, they're going to lose all the money they could get,

but they lose that money in perpetuity. $122 billion a year goes bye-bye, for the $100 billion they're hoping to claw back. And they're not going to get the $100 billion. I would guess they probably already lost the $100 billion. It's insane. Never mind that it's non-transactional. In order to tax people in our country,

we have this law, you know, taxation without representation. Our taxes are transactional. So like you go to a store and you buy a ring and you pay the tax on the ring, you go to the gas pump, there's lots of gas taxes, because that's kind of a free-for-all. You, you know, you pay 3% on, you know, I don't know, food, but you pay a higher percentage on alcohol. They're transactional.

Even when you sell your house, it's transactional. This isn't. This is non-transactional tax. This is like, look in your underwear drawer, count how many panties you have from Victoria's Secret and charge a 5% tax on what their value is. Yeah. And you have to get, you have to get assessors and you have to get accounting and you have to, it's so crazy. And believe me, that $100, that $100 billion that they're going to lose of people leaving the state.

They're going to come after the, they're going to come up. Only 5% of the people in California will pay 90% of the taxes. So they're going to come after the next layer as soon as the trillion, the billionaires are gone. So they're coming for everybody. They're coming for all of us. Don't you worry about it. Once they get that in place, of course. It's the way that's when government works.

Always rolls downhill. Well, I just wanted to expose you to that, Jillian. Hold on, Elaine. Hold on. I'm going to bring you back here. Your Wi-Fi is really shitty. But, Jillian, I will see you back. I'll see you back on actual friends or maybe somewhere else.

In the meantime, we're always crossing paths. So where would you like people to go to find you? Gilliammichols.com. That's home to anything and everything that I do. But check out actual friends every Friday with myself, Dr. Drew, Dave Ruman, and Sage Steel. And it was lovely to meet you, by the way. Because we lost you. See you.

All right, Doc. Bye. You, Jill. Take care. Bye-bye. Right. Elaine, here's what I want to do. I want to give Caleb a chance to work on your Wi-Fi or whatever's going on there.

It seems to be different. Something's happening. Right now, it's like, well, hold on. So Caleb, how about I take a break now for the ads and you guys work on the Wi-Fi and we'll move from there? How's that sound? All right. We'll take a little break. Right back with Elaine Kulati.

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We just finished talking about the billionaire tax that it just seems very un-American, that somebody can take away your things. And yet we have a mayor in New York whose staff is talking explicitly about exactly doing that, whatever they feel like it. So that seems to be in the ethos. And my expectation is people are going to fight back hard against that, but we will see. So what, tell us about the project you're working on with mayors.

How's the connection now? Has it gotten any better? Much, much better, much better, significantly better. Awesome. So, Mayors Matter is a documentary on the mayors in California. I started filming it a couple of months ago. I've been up to Humboldt County and all the way down to Chula Vista. I've interviewed about 25 mayors.

and wow, that's what I have to say about that. They're not at all what you might expect. Most of the mayors are very bipartisan, even though they're deep blue Democrats in certain states. They expect more from Sacramento than they're getting. And Sacramento has this thing called unfunded mandates, which demand things of cities that they don't have money for. And if they don't implement them,

then Sacramento comes over and does it for them, which is part of what SB 79 is, which is the high-density housing business. And where is that high-density housing bill applied? Is that something that's going on in the Palisades? No, it's statewide. And the high-density housing bill SB 7-9, which was passed in July, I think, of the last year,

was meant to be high-density housing near transit districts. So it was sold to Californians as we can put apartment buildings by a train station, bus station, or an airport. So most Californians kind of said, well, you know, that's okay. Okay. And what they're doing now is they're putting in transit districts where they want to put high density housing, which is typical California rip the rug, you know, slide of hand. What's that game with the little buckets that you move around? And that's what they're doing. So they are going to put a transit district where they have already actually at sunset and PCH where Wolfgang Puck and Frank Geh spent years and years trying to get their development approved, which they did through Palisades, but then the fires happened. and by dark of night on October 8th, they called a crazy coastal commission hearing meeting where they installed a transit district.

Yeah. Of course. You're talking about a shell game, the shell game that they do here. Yeah. That's creating a land grabbing the palisades. That is all real. That's not fake news.

It's real. And so what do we do? What's the plan? And what do you, I guess, I sort of have two questions. One is, what do you hope people take away from the mayor's documentary that can help us do something. And what do we need to do?

So Mayors Matter is an awesome learning tool for anybody running for government in California, because it's an eye and a window into the people that are going to vote for you. Whether it's a small town like Brea, Cerritos, or a big town like LA, Los Angeles is 4 million people. And Palisades is 35,000. And that's with all the kids. Voters, I think it's really like 18,000. So people have to understand that a town like, Los Angeles, there's a big disconnect between what people in, you know, downtown need versus what the Pacific

Palisades needs. And the math is the problem because voters that vote generally are on entitlements. So those are not people living in the Palisades. So Spencer's got his work cut out for him and California has its work cut out for itself. It needs to vote. We need to vote. You need to register to vote. It doesn't even matter if you vote as a Democrat or an independent or you need to register and go to the polls. And remember that historically during what's called a midterm or a runoff race, which is what we're having here in June, independence don't vote. So a lot of times you'll see a Democrat in office just because there was nobody else that was, there was no one for anybody else.

So we've got to really be cognizant of how the voting is going to work so that we can get somebody new into office, number one. Number two. And we have a lot of independence, don't we, in California? Well, are they independent or are they not registered? It's a big leap to say that they're independent when they're not registered. We have about 25% of the population doesn't even vote. They're not even registered. Crazy.

So, you know, you have 40, 40 for sure, 45% Democrat, 28% Republican. It has always felt weird to me that this state, always end up 60-40. When the polls are closed, 60% of the Democratic sort of agenda is wins, and 60% of Democratic voting supports it, and then 40% of people just shit out of luck. It's so consistent. It makes me wonder how accurate our voting system is. Well, without voter ID, you'll never know.

you know, that's just the basics, just the basics. But there are, understandably, when you have 17 and a half million people paying taxes on a half of 40 million people, there are understandably a lot of people that are voting that don't work. And they depend on entitlements. And very few of the more than, you know, half of the state that doesn't vote are going to vote to get rid of their entitlements. And obviously, conservative leaders will get rid of entitlements.

So you have to, if you're running, think about how you're going to rebuild California by job programs and economic development. Because if I hear one more time, someone tell me that California doesn't have a revenue problem, that has a capital problem. We have such a huge revenue problem because we have no business coming in the state. We've no economic development. All of the mayors that I talked to either didn't know who Eleni Kuna Lakis was or had not met her. She is the leader of the state in economic development, which is the lieutenant governor's position.

So she doesn't go around to the governors and say, hey, how can I bring business into your town? Because they would know her. We don't have economic development. So California's revenue is 100% derived from taxpayers, not new business coming into the state. And as you can see, the fleeing businesses The last few weeks The very example. Yeah, we're chasing them out.

What are you talking about? Forget new business coming in. We're chasing them out and doing nothing to develop with the people that are here. Well, listen, when will we get to see the mayor's documentary? Oh, gosh. I'm still 20 mayors away. I'm going to do sizzle reels and first cuts and some early episodes maybe by end of February.

But I'm going to use it throughout. the campaigning so that people can understand what's really going on in California. I mean, for me, we can as Californians, we have some control, okay? We cannot vote for anything that Gavin Newsom is offering. This is number one. Right. I don't care what the bill is. It is an exit strategy.

It is a full on smash and grab. What's going on? Gavin Newsom leaving our state to become president is going to take so much money. And the only place he has to get it is Californians. To remember that, we are in the middle of the biggest smash and grab in history. And it's Gavin Newsom. Well, your Wi-Fi started, yeah, there you're with RFK. Your Wi-Fi is starting to chop up a little bit again.

So I'm going to let you go. But where should people go? I assume we're going to see more of you in California politics. So where should people go to keep an eye on what you're doing next? You can find me on Marismatter.com, which is great. And you can donate to maresmatter.com. If you want a mayor in your town or you know a mayor, send us a note and we'll come. Perfect.

Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much. Bye. You got it. Let me give you her particulars where you can find her on X and various outlets such as Lipstick Farmer is her X outlet. And Facebook.com slash lipstick farmer is also the Facebook page. And as she said, mayors matter is the documentary.

And mayors matter.com is where you can find out more about that. Caleb, we have tomorrow, we're packed with guests again tomorrow. I know Michael Gates, who is in the DOJ, is coming in. And now he's looking at California also as a place to maybe make a difference. You're laughing. So many guests tomorrow, it barely fits on the screen. It has to go very tiny font. Some of them have long names like Finkel-Starts.

She's Mark Mitchell, Devon, Seale. And I think we're mostly talking California tomorrow. Is that right? Yes. And listen, if those are you also? Devlin is the expert on precious metals. He's been an expert a long time. So he's going to be coming in to talk about that and IRAs and gold and silver.

What's going on with silver right now? Okay, good. Which is crazy. Crazy. Crazy. And Kara Davis is going to sit in for me next week when we are gone. And then we kick back in again. You see all the people coming up.

We've got lots of really great guests coming. our way. Oh, we have, on the 29th, will be just dedicated to Fatty 15 in Palo Valley. That's interesting. Zeevan Fleet coming back, Dr. Paul Alexander coming back. Salty's back in. Chef Gruel will be here. J.P. Spears. Sears, rather. Too much. Too many guests. We're doing a great job. And Emily Barsh is doing an amazing job booking these folks. As was today, no exception. So, we are going to be back here tomorrow at 2 o'clock with that action-packed, uh, show with all the guests. We'll see if my cough and congestion is cleared by then.

It's actually mysterious for me what this is going, what this is doing because I don't feel that bad. I don't feel bad at all. But it's just this weird cough and weird congestion. And maybe it's influenza A trying to take hold and that my Tamiflu is keeping it off. But the Tamiflua worked really well for my family members that got, that tested positive for influenza A. They're all better just having gone on Tamifu for a couple of days.

that in mind if you get that influenza A, which the vaccine did not cover this year, you can get better quicker with the Tamiflu. And it's pretty nasty to this virus. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for me here. Thank you, Gillian. Thank you, Elaine, for joining us. And I don't think there's anything else, Caleb, or anything else you wanted to discuss? All good. I'm excited to prepare a banner design for tomorrow that has four guests. That will be very, very entertaining for me to try. How we're going to do it. You got to give me a bunch of time Q's so I do it properly. And I'm looking at your guys' comments.

All right. Thank you guys. And the restream, everyone is there. Yeah, I'm using a zinc. I'm using the TWC zinc immune boost spray, both for my nose and the back of the throat. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for being here.

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