Ask Dr. Drew - Kids & Drag Shows: Should They Be Allowed? Your Calls Answered LIVE – Ask Dr. Drew – Episode 128

Episode Date: September 24, 2022

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Hey everybody, welcome as always. We're looking forward to today's show. It's going to be essentially Ask Me Anything. We, of course, as usual, are out on Twitter spaces and we're watching you all there. And you raise your hand there, you can be asked to come up on the Twitter space to speak with us. Of course, you have to unmute your mic. We have to always remind everybody about that. And by coming up, you'll be agreeing to streaming out on multiple platforms. We are out there on Facebook, Twitch, Twitter, Rumble. Though, Mrs. Penske, I think Facebook has been encumbering us, have they not? I suspect.

So we're a little wondering what's going on over there. But YouTube is very kind to us and reinstated us. And so we hopefully can talk about whatever we wish to talk about. Now I think we're getting slowed down by Facebook. Yeah. So head on over to Rumble if you want to talk to like 1,300 people. Okay, fair enough. 500 people over on YouTube. Yeah, we watch the Rumble Rants and we watch the restreams as well. And we'll try to catch up with everything today

and whatever sort of on your guys' mind today is all about what you're thinking about. I've got no specific agenda, so let's get into it. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real.

We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want to help stop it. I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say. We'll be right back. That's a feeling you can only get with BetMGM. And no matter your team, your favorite player, or your style, there's something every NBA fan will love about BetMGM. Download the app today and discover why BetMGM is your basketball home for the season.

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I understand that there are still people dying of this, as there are people dying of many other respiratory viruses and infectious disease pathogens, particularly internationally. And if we're going to focus on equity, we should be putting all that in context. And before we start taking questions i just want to also say that i i begin thinking real lately that the public health discipline has become somewhat adulterated in some way it it seems like it has taken the the uh very noble notion of equity and converted it that notion into equity of outcome in all cases in all situations for all

humans and medicine is just not that way it's we are we are a huge tapestry of very complex differences and nowhere more so than when we approach how to treat somebody it's why we have to be you know it's why we have to have thousands of hours of clinical experience in order to come up to one person, have some sensibility, what's going on with that person relative to the context of the landscape of that illness in thousands or hundreds, at least, of other patients, which we have seen. And to then say, take that complex thing and say, everybody must end in the same place, you just can't do it. And my fear is that this equity, so we have learned that fear and safety, uber alice, became the initial policy of

our public health world. The uber alice safety was in order to get to vaccine, then it became vaccine uber alice. And very early on, the vaccine distribution was about equity uber alice and very early on the vaccine distribution was about equity uber alice meaning in all cases above all else and these three principles um are are nuanced they're not they're a little misguided in fact to consider them fiats that must be followed and cannot be considered otherwise it's what my old college professor used to call apodictic must be so and cannot be otherwise and uh it is actually different that the fact is that yes we should be doing focused isolation and doing certain kinds of things non-pharmacological not uber alice in a very in a very rational evidence-based way and yes, as we learn more about it, we should be adjusting our vaccine

policy fast. It shouldn't be just above all else, 12 and over, that's it. No, just simplify messaging the way the, uh, had the CDC said about a week ago. And then now the equity issue, which is while it's extremely important. I mean, think of the international context of infectious diseases, you're failing horribly, number one. And then number two, it's not something that is truly applicable to humanity in a medical context. Equity of resources is, of course, something we all want to try to achieve. Equity of resources is an infinite distance from equity of outcomes. And I think the public health world got very focused on equity of outcomes. And that was a misguided and hurt, which is the main problem, that it hurts lots of people to use these sort of misguided priorities.

All right, let's get some calls here. We'll do exactly that. This is Miss Kim. Miss Kim, how are get some calls here. We'll do exactly that. This is Ms. Kim. Ms. Kim, how are you doing there? What's up? Oh, she muted up again. There you are. What's going on there? We hear you. Hi, you're talking to me, Kim, right? Kim, I thought it said, but yes, I'm talking to you. So you want to know what I think about COVID or?

No, you raised your hand to ask a question. I wonder what your question is. Well, my question is, what about all these people that lost their jobs? Yes. What about all these people who lost their businesses? What about all these people that lost family members to addiction and suicide? Oh, yeah. Right.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is my point. This is my point. I could see that coming from the beginning. That's why I was telling everybody to shut up. That panic never makes things better. Panic always makes things worse.

And this weird panic and the listening to people like the New York Times editorial board was just startling to me. They should not not have a, they should not even have a place at the table in terms of medical policy. They don't know what they're talking about. They have no experience with it. And yet those are the people we listen to. And now, you know,

no one got a heavier burden than young kids in, you know, black and Brown in risk populations where they were prevented from going to school and have many of them yet to come back to school that is a profound burden that we do not know if we're going to be able to catch up uh what are we going to do about that and then as you said the businesses and jobs and everything else that went with that which is the nurses the police yeah atrocious all right okay thank you so much for your question what is this uh i had this is a emily saying i had to leave dr drew live on my space twitter what's space twitter

twitter spaces i didn't know they display our profile picture too. That's not what I want. They didn't ask for permission, but can't put you on TV without asking. Can they? I don't understand what she's saying. Wait, I announce every time. Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's silly. Somebody's saying that they, they didn't ask permission. Okay. At the beginning of the show, typically we tell you when you're on Twitter Spaces that you're going to be live on drdrew.tv as well. No, you're not, unless you raise your hand. Right, but if you're in Twitter Spaces,

your profile is going to pop up on Twitter Spaces, which you're already public, by the way. But when you come up and we pull you up to the podium, why don't you just change your put your dog in your in your uh no in your profile i will say it again if you raise your hand and you come to the podium you are agreeing to stream out on multiple platforms and by streaming out i mean this was 22 hours ago by the way but i just i wanted to show it to you drew because you know we gotta make sure people know that your question is going to be live on DrDrew.tv.

She's taking issue with the picture, the icon going up. Right, right. And that is part of what we do is we pull the icon up on the stream in addition to the voice. So, Caleb, do you want to address that? One person laughed at this post, but we're not trying to expose you if you don't want to. And it's good that you bring that to our attention, everybody's attention,

because we don't want anybody to feel violated. Yes, for sure not. For example, when people email questions to us, we don't use real names. We always anonymize it, especially if they ask us to. And if you raise your hand in Twitter spaces, that's, that's you saying that you, you want to speak, you want to be on the show. Right, right. So let's get the next speaker. That's George Clark. George, what's happening, man? Hey, can you hear me? I do. Yeah, it's been a, it's been a few months. My question is, when do you think, or if and when we'll get to a point with COVID that, you know, they'll get rid of all the isolation protocols and things like that. So like you show up to school with the sniffles, it may or may not be COVID and no one cares. I forget who I was talking to. It was one of our guests.

I think it might have been Harvey Reich. I was asking him that question about college campuses, which have taken the most draconian and bizarre excess in terms of their vaccine and mask policy. And he said he thinks that is a function of the lawyers. It made perfect sense to me that the lawyers are saying that you have to limit liability by showing you're doing everything possible. So they're literally this is what you call bad medicine. Whenever you do too much, you hurt patients. So they may end up with lawsuits for having demanded vaccines for people that may not need it.

But what they have been advised by their lawyers to do is to just keep going, do the excesses. And as long as there are lawyers mandating that and liability hanging over people's head, this stuff's going to go on for a while. It's pathetic. But at least I don't feel like they're trying to do something medical. You know what I mean? It's like, that's where I get kind of upset. It's like, well, what are you doing? This makes no sense. Oh, you're making your lawyers happy. Okay. I get it. Pathetic, but okay. I get it. Does that make sense? That makes sense. And each, each, each indeed. Ish. And listen, the only people that can address it are the student body and the parents and the alumni.

Maybe one school at a time, they begin to start, you know, going after that a little bit and taking issue with it. Because it is pretty, as you say, pretty ish. Okay. Let's get. Kitty Moore Lutke on Facebook said, my town Shreveport has 38 or more killings this year. I sit on the patio and I hear the gunshots. Go inside, no one calls cops anymore

because nothing to tell them. But I heard guns, sad. Terrible. It's insane. Okay, this is Ryan. Let's see what Ryan's got to say here. And again, we're taking your questions. And if you do raise your hand to come up,

you are agreeing to stream out and your image too, as you see here with George and maybe soon with Ryan. Go ahead, Ryan. Hey, Hitler. I have a question about the future CDC director. Yes. So as Fauci is retiring, what direction are we going to see? Do you think we're going to see the CDC go in? Do you think it will be more?

He's not the CDC. He is the National Institute on Allergy and Immunology. He's a part – I don't even understand how he crosses over with the CDC. The CDC is Dr. Walensky, and she is the director of the CDC. And, again, she – what I keep hearing about her is that she's an excellent clinician. She's a very bright woman. And that she seems to be under the sway of something where she's saying things of a PR team or something where she is saying things that become, frankly, problematic, to say the least. But in terms of the in national analogy immunology i i think

what's going to happen and i and i actually loathe the day i think this is going to be sort of unpleasant but i think they're going to do a lot of uh looking under the hood figuring out who's got some conflicts of interest who funded what and it's going to be a big tangled mess and it's going to take them a while to figure out all the different motivations the distorted motivations that we want to wash out of that system but it's going to take a while it's going to take a while i'm i'm i'm really concerned about it because it is as i've said your your connection here is terrible so i'm going to pull you down um but as i've said for a long time, both Dr. Fauci and his organization, the NIH, the CDC, these are legendary organizations that have funded so much great science and have done

so much great work. It is terrible that we are in this situation where literally, you know, decades and decades of extraordinary policy and work has been undermined by essentially, you know, when you really look at the root cause, if we're going to figure out where the root cause of this, they were persuaded by their Chinese counterparts that lockdown and zero COVID was the one and only policy i would love to know how that happened i would love to hear those phone calls if there was a possibility to have done so and that that mistake was so profound and the unwillingness to kind of look at it and go back and to be fair the stakes were high and everyone was confused. I get it. But that was it.

That to me, that's what I look at as the sort of the moment that we went bad. We went south. And then defending it after that without talking about it. By the way, most recently, if you've noticed, the formal head of the NIH, I forget his name right now, Larry something. I'll look on the restream. You guys can help me. He has started to say, yeah, I should have been much more clear about when I didn't know for sure

and when I was distorting and we have a lot more to study and there's more to go, but here's our best guess as opposed to going, it's this way or the highway. Everyone else shut up. Woo. That is a terrible mistake also. Here's an interesting question on Facebook. Yeah. Steven. Steven. Woo. That is a terrible mistake. Also, uh, here's an interesting question on Facebook. Yeah.

Steven, Steven Daniels. What are your views on the sexualization of children under age 12 through school programs involving drag Queens and discussion of gender change? Yeah. Uh, it, I feel like it's complicated. Like everything.

I wish there was an evidence base for what they're doing. They literally would have to study the impact of what they're doing. Like everything, I wish there was an evidenced base for what they're doing. They literally would have to study the impact of what they're doing. I believe intuitively, it seems to me, that to worry about transgender folks who are transgender talking to kids, I think is a mistake. I think the issue is the sexualizing of everything. And that is something that pre-puberal children don't understand. It can be traumatic. But at the same time, we have kids being exposed to pornography at age eight, nine, and 10. And we don't know what that is doing. So we may need to do something proactive to mitigate the harm that has done. So we don't know yet. We just don't know. I think generally,

overwhelming a child's regulatory system with action, with activity, with sensory input that exceeds their regulatory capacity is problematic. I really don't think that kids have an issue with somebody who's transgender or drag. I think i think uh-oh my camera just went sideways susan just backed into my camera to try to get me some coffee i know i appreciate that too yeah well come sit down and talk to me do you agree with me on that that all right she's gonna get me all set up here and then we'll go to uh m i think it is marina heart i will in just a second I'll go to Marina as soon as I finish this I I really don't believe that there's any evidence that you know I I mean the kids they don't they're

not they're not doing anything sexual with it unless they do some weird sexual action or they force sexual content on them and that is a mistake I I've always i've said forever that giving kids a plumbing lesson because you feel they need to know that is a huge mistake your job is to just answer kids questions they will come they will come in their good time on their terms and to generally speaking to force things on children is a bad idea i don't believe that any kind of, I'm going to use a word that, I need a better word than this. I was going to use the word costuming, but any sort of presentation, whether it's a furry or a drag or any, I don't think that impacts kids. It's when it becomes about the sexual that it does so well like that that uh teacher in canada that is a trans dressed up rather vividly

we don't know really what that is i don't know if she's making a point i don't know what that is big huge you know fake breasts and i wish everybody could see you right now at school like i mean listen i am pro-trans i i don't have a problem i've met many and i agree with the the transformation that they've made for themselves they're awesome they're right and they're in they're doing great in their own skin this way but but to like mock it or make a try to make points with it or the excesses you'll notice that i generally try to find a middle ground it's the excesses on'll notice that i generally try to find a middle ground it's the excesses on both sides that always i mean sometimes one's right sometimes not but generally we're all

most of you out there are moderate most of you are really moderate reality is kind of maybe you don't think of yourself that way but you are and the the middle ground is is always much more likely to be the the truth it is rarely some extreme and so that's why you'll notice you know i tend to piss off both sides all the time because i do sort of find a middle ground i will be kind of sexualization in school or body shaming or body awareness should not take precedence over education when you send your kids to school, you want, you know, they're going to have their own hormonal issues, you know, especially when they hit 12, 13. But, um, but to my daughter brings this up all the time. Like if I go, Oh, you look good today. She's like, you know, you don't need to make me validate me with the way I look. You know, she wants to be known for

being intellectual and smart and a whole person. Um, we don't need to add to it you know i would just let me share a little quick story and i grew up like in newport beach where everybody had to look cute in a bathing suit and we were all skinny and but here's i get it it's here's the reality middle ground again everybody likes to be told they're attractive or that they look good case in point i followed henry kissinger into a satellite booth one one time about 15 years ago and he was about 80 at the time or close to 80 and he got out of the satellite booth and his first question was so did i look fat and so and so everybody even henry kissinger has a has a concern about how they appear on camera at other people. That's a normal human thing.

To be overly preoccupied, that's different. So there you go. Don't you have like a chapter in your book about this with Paulina? Go ahead. Hold on. I think another point is that the people who went up to the Capitol on January 6th, that's like less than 0.0001% of all Republicans and all Trump supporters. The same way with people who are transgender, the loudest and the craziest things that you see posted on the internet and on TikTok,

that's a 0.0001%. You're only seeing the extremes here that's being broadcast over on the news. So you can't judge the whole group based on all right the extremes no i agree and and since i'm in my own home environment here i will address something that i was fearful tim pool was going to bring up when i was his show before i do that though um brooke wants to know the book is it doesn't have to be um doesn't have to be awkward when i wrote with my daughter these kinds of issues are deep in that book so please do check that book out what steps can we as a society make to kick the rational revolution into high gear?

On a side note, I'd love to see more rational revolution merch on your website. Susan, Caleb, get on that. Rational revolution needs to happen. Brooke. Hey, that's Christina P's thing. No, no, we can go do it. No, no, no, no, we can do it too.

We can have t-shirts, we can do whatever. Look, Brooke is my new favorite person. So, Brooke, I think go do we can. No, no, no, no, we can do it too. We can have t shirts, we can do whatever I look, I Brooke is my new favorite person. So Brooke, I think the reason we haven't done that is because we've assumed it was your mom's house doing that. And when I go out there, I'm going out there next week. And I'll try to remember to ask them if it's okay if we start to make t shirts and other things. So thank you for that. So I was afraid that Tim pool was going to bring up his notion that this topic of transgender in school and whatnot is grooming. He keeps using the word grooming and that it's grooming, grooming, grooming. And I'm here to tell you it is not. Grooming is a very specific process. It's one-on-one. Oftentimes, the person that's doing the grooming doesn't even understand that that's what they're doing and it's sort of bringing somebody into a power imbalance uh i guess a situation it's almost like hypnosis it's also related to the the stockholm syndrome and grooming is a very very specific process that takes, I understand why he would use that term. I think it's an inaccurate use of the term. I think it is attempt to normalize the

culture to make this normal. And they're going excessively, they've gone too far with it, as we often do with things. And it starts to look like that to people like Tim. That's why he gets upset about it. I don't believe that's what it is. However, I do believe that people that are throwing sexual content at children are engaging behavior. It's not grooming behavior. It gets close to abuse. It's exceeding their regulatory capacity. And that's what trauma is. They just need to be kids.

Kids need to be kids. And they also need to get viruses. Yeah, that's true. We've gone all the way. We've done the full. Oh, where did Marina go? I had her sitting there, and then she ran away. I know.

Sorry, Marina. They're all still alive, too. Let's see if you're in the queue somewhere. I can bring you back here. I apologize. She just absolutely just left just i think some people know they're they're trans when they're children and they need to be of course approached you know in a safe way and given the opportunity but to like make all their friends have to decide if they're trans too is no no no no like i just i just think that kids need to not think about sex until they're a lot older everybody

we the the problem with everything we all talk about these days is the emotions attached to it you need to sit and dispassionately listen and think about things very like a rational revolution like very carefully people get all screwed up about men and women and what's this, what's that. No, you've got to think very carefully, very clearly. Biology is a real thing. Biology exists. But gender is influenced by biology, but it may be something somewhat separate. And people get very messed up thinking about these things. And I understand.

It's hard people to think about. Dr. Fauci, are you concerned that royalties paid to NIH scientists are not disclosed? Absolutely, I am, Stephen. And that's what we talked about a little bit earlier. That is, if you noticed yesterday in an interview, I think it was, yesterday with Rand Paul and Dr. Fauci, he essentially said he doesn't have to tell anybody what the conflicts of interest are, which is anathema to medicine, anathema to everybody everybody else in medicine so that was sort of startling to me uh let me look

at you again on uh what you guys are talking about um jay wiggler says facebook is killing it with the questions today oh good what do they got well you keep answering them. Go ahead. You got another one? No. Okay. All right. Let's go to questions here. Let's see what Thomas has to say here. Thomas. We have lots of hands up, so I'll try to get you guys the best I can. Your friend was in here for a second. Caleb, what's the guy's name uh that um which one oh shoot the guy we talked to the other day yes yes chris was in here chris sanchez

he was in here a second ago um kitty more loot k remember her but then years ago at a cast party we're watching rocky horror picture show and my 10 year old walked in the room wearing a dress and heels and singing. He's now married with two kids. Just thought it would be fun. Scared me. LOL. That was 30 years ago.

I remember that, that show. That was like, you know, we were all kind of confused by that. Kitty Moore, Luke key on Facebook. She,

she asked a question yesterday too. That's pretty cute though. I'm going to bring Nadine up here. Nadine, go ahead. It's interesting, Caleb, how... There's a little lag. Well, the speaker comes up and the mic is unmuted and then it mutes itself.

I think they get excited. And that's what confuses people. No, no, it does it to me too when I start the show. That's weird. You have to unmute the mic in the lower left hand corner buddy uh nadine you're up and you'll be streaming out on multiple platforms including your image possibly uh if caleb chooses to put that up there uh i'll look while we're trying to get nadine back there uh velviva everybody velveta versus cheddar this off of twitch. I don't think we have to ask that question, do we? Velveeta versus Cheddar.

Okay, Donna says, okay, this is something. They're pushing in schools, four-year-olds being told to masturbate. This is in Britain. As young as 12, questions like, have you had anal sex? Okay, that is problematic. That is how you traumatize kids. That is exactly what I'm telling you as parents not to do to your kids as you educate them about their sexuality. To talk even about masturbation to a four-year-old is, they can't understand it. They're not going to be able to make sense of it.

And it's not going to be particularly fruitful. Nadine, go ahead. You got to unmute that mic in the lower left-hand corner there. I see. There you are. Yes. Yes. I think it was still loading when you first asked and I didn't hear any of it.

Got it. So I was on your show or this thing last week, I believe. I'm the one in Canada's schedule. My husband's a physician. I do have a question. Have you heard about Sensible Medicine and Dr. Vinay Prasad and ZDogg and what they're doing? And are you involved? And if not, what are your thoughts on it? Okay.

So we have interviewed Vinay twice on this show and z dog twice also they are both i would say hopefully again soon z dog once venae venae twice i had him once too oh yeah susan touched him once yeah and uh so twice and twice and uh i would consider them friends um i amplify particularly venae on twitter as best I can because some of the things, some of the, he, I found Vinay before COVID, before anybody had ever heard of him. He had this podcast called Plenary Sessions where he essentially talked about oncological research and he was such an astute reader of medical literature. I just enjoyed it. It's so funny.

I really, a lot of my podcasting is listening to people who are better readers than me. I listen to philosophy podcasts from people who read philosophy and can penetrate it. For now, it's the same thing. He can read complex literature and penetrate it. And I appreciate his interpretation. So now here we are years later, and he's looking at the literature on vaccines and COVID, and he's using that same eye he has, that same analytic capacity, and he's beside himself. He's mortified by what we are accepting as science or appropriate clinical standards. And so, yeah,

I've been amplifying him all over the place wherever I can. I think he's the best. And ZDogg is just a bright, excellent physician with an excellent point of view. I mean, and the two of them together to me is like sort of a dream come true. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I like they kind of bring it back to the middle ground. I find it's been so polarizing. You have one extreme and the other. And I don't agree with everything they say, but I like that they bring it back to the middle. And I think it's a testament on how we can move forward.

If we can just both extremes come to the middle and then we can find solutions that work best for everyone i know uh i i totally agree with you and uh i i you it makes me sad when you know by the way do you know they both are attacked by our peers are you aware of that yeah yeah it seems like if you don't follow that first narrative that that's kind of pushed everywhere and i'm sure you felt it too if you don't follow that first narrative you're right away labeled as extreme yeah no you're extreme you're an anti-vax you're a something denier and you're a trumper these are all the things you get labeled with if you have any diversion from the, whatever the standard is that's being pushed. And yeah, it's too much. What does your

husband feel about this? Well, he kind of agrees with most of what they're saying. And even like I said before, last week's episode, he's been labeled extreme as well. And when we look at things, we're very much middle ground. We just really, truly believe in informed consent. Of course. And unfortunately, informed consent has been kind of thrown out the window in the medical community. And we're heartbroken about it. And that's why we spoke out and have been speaking out.

Yeah, it's crazy to think that informed consent would be something that would be so, uh, well, here's what I've learned. I had no idea that when there's a public health emergency, they can do whatever they want. I mean, that's what I've learned. I think it's looks about the same in Canada to me. They just do whatever. And so the idea of informed consent is just, that's for normal times. We're in an emergency. That's the disgusting part of this. There has to be some protection against fiat, against these things being thrown out arbitrarily

because they're just kind of a nuisance. We don't want to deal with it right now. And I've been obsessing about this today. I opened with this, that these public health officials that are making medical decisions for hundreds of millions of people aren't trained to do that. They just aren't trained to do that. And that's where things went really nuts. All right. You've all upset me now, Nadine, but thank you for calling back. Oh, I have one more question for you. You ready?

Go ahead. What's wrong with Trudeau? Okay, I will speak to what's happening because I was very much involved from the get-go with that Trudeau must go trend. But I mean, do you see where he sang the queen song the other day you know easy come easy go it's like wait a minute that's the queen's funeral dickwad it's like what was he doing what was he doing following him for the last eight years this is this is usual trudeau. Just embarrassing Canada nonstop at everything he goes to.

It's so interesting. But to be fair, I mean, Trump did that to us too. He embarrassed us all the time too. But it was very different. It was a very different kind of embarrassment, right? Yeah, Trump just doesn't think before he speaks. See, Trudeau just never thinks before he does anything. Well, I guess maybe that's what it looked to me that you tell me if this is possibly true,

that he considers himself so enlightened and so, um, you know, uh, I don't even have a good word for it, but that he lives in some sort of bubble or that that sense of himself is so protected he doesn't change course is that accurate like he doesn't the word I have to worry well he's clearly narcissistic clearly that but buddy but this is this is that uh without any you know without any rails you know narcissists come up against guardrails and their behavior is sort of causes reactions i'm not sure he sees the reactions that's kind of what i've been thinking liberal party that and even when he does things wrong, and not just the Liberal Party, the mainstream media in Canada just adores him.

They go all the way. All right. It's what I thought. And so he doesn't really, nothing ever gets to him. He never really sees what happened to, what he's been doing, the consequence of what he's doing. Very interesting. Thank you, Nadine, for calling back.

We appreciate you being here. Susan, you're distracting me is something wrong uh youtube's live but i can't see it on the restream we can't see your comments on restream can't see who's oh the youtube yeah like it it just stopped like it was there at the beginning and it says x on the restream but i went to the live chat on youtube and they're still on live so it's just not coming over lots of twitch we see you guys on twitch i see facebook but i don't see youtube is not coming through since the beginning of the show caleb maybe you can figure it's there i'm interacting with people there i can't it might just be somebody yeah Yeah. Somebody shout out on YouTube because I'm not seeing it on my restream.

I'm only seeing it on the YouTube channel. Okay. I'll read, I'll read something over here from the YouTube channel. Yeah. Okay. If you give us a super chat, I'll read it first.

All right. Do you want to read something now? Do you want to read something now? Kayla's mad if I do that. I know. All right. I'm bringing another person up. I'll keep an eye on it for you.

Katelyn. Katelyaitlyn i guess it is uh and this takes so i apologize that what we're learning from nadine is it takes a minute for this stuff to load up here before they can come to the podium and talk uh what i see is just mute on the microphone but that also means that they may not be fully loaded up here so uh brooke again my new favorite person. Thank you for bringing up the rational revolution. Thank you. Yes, Brooke is talking about the extremism. Do you believe the general public currently has the capacity

to take a step back from perceived biases and move forward through rational revolution? Brooke, I think so, but I'm an optimist. I have an optimistic bias.'s it's truly a bias and uh you know um i expect a lot of people and all all we really have to do is calm down and listen and just think about things it doesn't take a lot of time for people to sort of now whether or not they'll be able to overcome their own cognitive dissonance that will be interesting that's the part that keeps us sort of stuck okay uh caleb while i'm waiting for cately to come on up to their caitlyn to come up to the podium here why don't we go

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That's right. Save up to 60% on my favorite GenuCell products today. Just go to GenuCell.com slash Drew to see what's in our bundles and receive an extra 10% off at checkout when you enroll in their personal concierge at checkout. That again is genucel.com slash drew G-E-N-U-C-E-L.com slash D-R-E-W. Sorry, so welcome back. What I'm going to do is because we're not seeing the YouTube questions on my restream here in front of me, Susan has kindly handed me her phone,

so I'm trying to go through the YouTube scroll to look at your guys' questions to see if there's anything in here. I apologize if this is boring, but I do want to get you guys have a chance to be seen here maggie disagrees with me i don't know what she disagrees about and yeah go to rumble although yeah i'll see you there uh okay well might as well look on the phone as well on the computer because i can insane mandates in australia yep uh aaronronic. The same way I've been able to act. I'm not sure what that means. IQA. Do you hear us? We do not hear you. We are now just getting to see your questions. Somebody has a question about Suboxone. Let me see where that was. Shakespeare.

Okay. I don't know what you mean, but Shakespeare. Yes, all roles were played by men. That's true. Chuck E. Cheese, I'm not sure what that comment means. All right, does Suboxone affect teeth or gums in a negative way that could eventually lead to dental issues? Mark, I've not seen that, but I would be, I think you might want to talk to your dentist about that, because anything that causes dry mouth can cause dental caries. So it might be something that is prone to causing dryness in the mouth. I could see that particularly in the higher doses.

And I lost Caitlin. She ran away. Let's try Lori. Lori, go ahead. It's funny. I don't know where people run off to when I lose them. I don't know how that run off to when I when I lose them I don't know how that works hey Lori hi hey now so I was just wondering if you had seen in the New York Times a couple weeks ago the story about

marriage equality for inter-able couples and people with disabilities. That story was largely based on the fight that my fiance, Mark, and I are in with Lori's Law in California and the federal bill, H.R. 6405. Tell us about it. I didn't see the article. Tell us all about it. Okay. So Mark and I fell in love. We got engaged to be married. And a few months later, found out if you are on DAC, SSDI. So if your disability starts before the age of 22 and you are on a parent's work record for Social Security Disability Insurance, SSDI, known as a DAC. You can only marry another disabled person. A loophole is someone retired receiving Social Security. That is bizarre. What was the intent of that? As usual, bureaucracy, everybody, it's the enemy, but go ahead. What's the intent? Well, so what we understand, and this is going to be uncomfortable for some people, but if you Google eugenics or ugly laws and you look back to when these disability policies were actually written and the time period back in the 1950s, it all makes a little bit of sense. And the attorneys we are working with at DREDF,

so Claudia Center is the legal director, Aisha Lewis is our lead attorney there as well, let us know that there's a lot of eugenics and a lot of history to this as the actual first anti-marriage laws were actually eugenics law. So I'm looking at between 1867 and 1974, many, many so-called ugly laws. So I'm guessing the intent was if somebody has an early disability, they must be genetically flawed and we don't want them reproducing. Is that the craziness? Well, yeah. I think that that is a large part of the craziness. It's a large part of the craziness? Well, yeah. I think that that is a large part of the craziness.

It's a large part of the craziness. Give me, what states are particularly egregious when it pertains to these ugly laws? Do you know? Well, actually, I think San Francisco was one of the- I'm going to bet it's places that would- That's crazy. Oh, my God. What is wrong with us?

That's the thing. I thought, oh my God, are you kidding me? Here I am. I've met a wonderful man, fell in love, normal stuff. Dr. Drew, I got to tell you, I think that so many people think that the ADA, Americans for Disabilities Act, which is now like 32 years old. Give me a little grace if I'm a year or two off. But 30 plus years old now. That it was all about doorways and ramps. And believe me. It seemed to be.

It seemed to be about that. It's part of it. It's part of it. It is. But what it was truly about at the heart of it was inclusion and community and society. Yes. And to be a part of societal norms. Of course.

So if you leave love and marriage out of the conversation, you really miss the big picture. What is the delay? Why isn't somebody in some legislator raising their hand and going, uh, we have an emergency here. We need to correct this quick. Let's just get it over with. Why is that not happening? Why hasn't that happened? Why hasn't there been, I mean, I hate to bring it up. Well, you know, you know what I like about this executive order.

Why isn't there somebody saying hello? Yeah. Uh, what I, what I would love would make me super happy. And this is not for you, I just think this is a fantasy, is if we found four or five of these crazy laws or bureaucratic misconducts that we can all come together to create. There's things we can all come together on. There's a lot of this stuff. It's the media that's focusing on the stuff that we can't come together on. There's a lot of this stuff. It's the media that's focusing on the stuff that we can't come together on. There's a lot of stuff we can come together on.

I am delighted to hear about this. I'm excited there's something we can do here that really could affect people's lives. Why they're not doing it, I don't understand. But you have to figure that out. Well, we have fought tooth and nail to get to this point. So our state legislation is SJR 8. It just passed. What state?

Stoke, California. We are in California. So they jammed through AB 2098, but you guys can't get this one passed. Fantastic. So now it's our sixth. California state legislator. We're stuck in committee. Why?

What's the problem? We hear that. Look, this is just what we're hearing. But we're hearing from the Republican side that they're looking at this as like a disincentive to engage in like full time work or to keep benefits. And I said, you know, the disincentive to engage for me in full-time work is that I have a severe spinal disorder. I work a regular part-time job. Are you the disabled person or is she?

Yes, I am. Yeah. And so, um, they then fine, they should look into it and then they should quickly, uh, respond. Cause clearly that's going to be bullshit and clearly, and so, uh, off we go. Uh, so fine. Look into it.

If that's what you feel you need to do for your due diligence and off you go. I am so happy you, uh, alerted us all to this. I'm sure everybody can stand behind you. Is there a website or something you'd like people to go to? Absolutely. D R E D F disability rights, Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund. They have put up an entire page about how to share your story if you are also unable to marry due to these archaic rules and policies

that have been built into the Social Security Administration policies so that there's not inter-abled marriage or you know disabled people marrying each other share your story the website is on it dreaded and I'm on frame it yeah frame it the way it's supposed to be frame which is this is the eugenic this is eugenics everybody anybody want to understand they think we might want to undo things that support eugenic notions. I think I think we can all agree on social security. It's too much. I'm sorry. Too much. Social Security Administration first told me, oh, honey, of course you can get married. You're on SSDI. You can get married. It's not a problem.

It was only about a few months after that we we found out they, uh, we called again, asked for a marriage, uh, penalty specialist. And they said, Oh, I'm sorry, because you were disabled before the age of 22. Um, you will lose your Medicare, any kind of DAC Medicaid and your DAC SSDI. I have paid into the social security system myself. All right. Don't bewilder us with the weeds. Just let's stay with the headline. The headline is this is pathetic. It needs to be corrected. And again, the website is one more time.

So you're going to look at Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund, known as DREDF. They're based out of San Francisco, California. Beautiful. They are our lead attorneys and advocates there. And yes, we are in a limited retainer with them. Beautiful. And one, it is just, it's important for people to know that there are a lot of people out there like myself with disabilities or people who are disabled very young in life and who work part-time um i also have uh i the advocacy work that i do takes up a lot of time my physical therapy all those other things it's crucial so i

do what i can do pay into the system but just one i know that a lot of people are hearing this for the first time including me so just yes so just look up uh the if you look up Lori Law, L-O-R-I-L-A-W on Facebook, we're there on Facebook. We're at Lori's Law, L-O-R-I-E-S-L-A-W on Twitter, Instagram. And we would just love to hear from anybody who have any questions. If you want to know more, contact us. I don't want to get get like you said too much into the weeds but basically this is marriage is a fundamental right that many with disabilities are being denied in 2022 for you based on eugenic principles of the remote past so laurie thank you for bringing our attention to all that um somebody in the restream uh and again i'm following laurie myself right now

laurie at laurie's law uh he said uh who is this ah zz fly says eugenics a lot of americans supported eugenics including president teddy roosevelt yes yes there were a lot of assholish ideas flying around in the past you do not do not have the sufficient narcissistic hubris to think that if you lived in 1890, you definitely wouldn't have been one of those people. Just look at the data. If most people had an opinion and you lived in 1890, you would hold that opinion. It is a fool's errand to judge the past through the prism of the parent of the present it's like an ableism of its own it's like a historical historicism uh it needs a name it needs a name all right let me look at rumble see how people

are reacting to it there uh oh wait somebody wants me to stop beating around the brush tell us why there's never been a successful vaccine for influenza B. There are lots of good A and B flu vaccines out there. They're never 100% effective because we can't predict what the virus is going to look like genetically exactly year to year. And by the way, the vaccine is set up on the mice, which doesn't make us feel great. The problem is those mice vaccines with the flu platforms are the same platforms we've been using for years and years and years. The reason people are concerned about

the mice model in the mRNA vaccines, because it is such a new platform. And by the way, there is some data that just came out that the new bivalent vaccine did not do that great in humans in terms of protecting from infection or severe disease. So that data is starting to come in. We'll see what that looks like. Why do I continue to call the flu shot? This is IED. Why do you continue to call the flu shot the flu vaccine? A vaccine is anything that stimulates your immune system to fight off a future infection period period margaret sanger yes she would be proud yes she was a horrible eugenicist yeah and and she did some good things too people people are not i i can't wait to see what how we're judged for some of the shit we're

doing that we think is so good but if somebody will judge us in the future as being completely distorted and how we're approaching things all right i'm going to take some more calls in a second uh lifespan of european male and let's say okay let me see what i'm i'm over on rumble now just trying to see most people supported eugenics even the genetically inferior. They had just discovered DNA. So you'll forgive them for failing, falling for pseudoscience.

Yeah, no, listen. Go watch the show. One of the greatest shows about medicine was a show called The Nick about a hospital at the turn of the 20th century. The lead surgeon develops a severe addiction. It's a great story, but there is a eugenicist doctor amongst the group, and he is an unapologetic,

and there's a black physician that he treats horribly, and it's very interesting. It's just really, and they did not pull off, they pulled the gloves off. They did it however they it accurately happened yeah let me just say uh craft biscuit is craft table biscuit is putting some data up about the history of eugenics here is something that is true about genetics the more the the more there's admixturing of genetic material from farther afield genetic. One of the great mysteries to me is our tribalism. Because as you all know, we've been thinking about the royal families lately,

the more you interbreed, the weaker the genetics of the individual offspring. So if you are limited just to a tribe, you're going to end up with some problematic genetic loads. It's why, historically, men have come into tribes and stolen females. That is sort of what has happened. But the reality is, the further we are, the more afield we are genetically from one another, the healthier the kids we produce.

So somebody who has some genetic evolutionary history that is vastly different than your own on a different continent is likely to give you healthy offspring. What do we got here? Red tea. I'm feeling like there is no point of me being in the world anymore. And the pain of physical and emotional is too much i do not know what to do so tam uh i would like everyone on youtube to reach out to tam right now uh he i don't know if to hear a she but he's feeling a lot of psychic pain, is having trouble finding meaning. Meaning comes from other people. And if you would reach out your hand to this person in some fashion, particularly if you felt the same way,

knowing that people get through this, you will help this person a great deal. So the other thing I will tell you, Tam, is that the worst feelings pass. They always pass. And I know, I understand if you're in psychic pain, one of the aspects of it is it's tolerating it. It seems so endless, but it does get better. It really does. Okay. Aaron's reaching out. Thank you, Aaron. Please. Here is Sandy who wants Tam to message her. So do message Sandy. Good, I knew I could rely on you guys. So Tam, I want you to look at the responses below here.

You're going to see a lot of people. People are, I know we live in a time when it seems like people are no good. That's what it seems like. I'm here to tell you they are. And you watch what reaches out to Tam. And I think everyone will be impressed. So there you go. It's about other people.

It's about relations. It's about connecting with one another. That is how we make meaning. That is how we regulate our emotions. That is how we get through the intolerable, frankly. I mean, it's why we have a sponsor in 12 step. You need that other person. That's why you have a coach in your corner. When you're a fighter, you need that person. They're supporting you. And, uh, Anthony Brown wants you

to reach out to Tam. Uh, Anthony Brown's over on Twitch right now. Anthony, go over to YouTube maybe and give him a way to reach you. All right. Uh, I'm sorry. I'm going to look quickly at you guys on Restream. I know molten salt. I do love the neck. What is a suicidal hotline? Like it's on your phone. What is that? I put it up on the screen.

It's 988 now. It's 988. 988. You can call 988. And that is our new number for psychic distress and suicidality, 988. So thank you for putting that up there. Let me see what you guys are saying.

By the way, the rumble rants have been less abusive today, Susan, if you've noticed that. Okay, here's an interesting question. Pundit, what is your opinion how big should fake boobs be on a teacher right which is what that teacher is essentially it begs that question doesn't it um again i always look at things through a medical prism i i'm gonna well you know what i don't want to take my position yet i'm gonna talk about it today on gut felt show and they're gonna pick me up in like 10 minutes oh yeah check them out on the gut? I don't want to take my position yet. I'm going to talk about it today on Gutfeld's show. And they're going to pick me up in like 10 minutes. Oh, yeah.

Check them out on the Gutfeld show. So I don't really want to give you that opinion just yet. But I will say I do look at it through a medical prism. That's pretty much everything. Also, Moulton Salt said something about, or not Moulton Salt, Pundit said something about Bill Maher's rant on W rant on woke yeah it was a good one i tried i showed it to you that's what i wanted you to listen to uh let's talk to alexa alexa alexa when was that september 14th friday you said friday this last friday which would have been the 14th yeah yeah i think i remember oh no no i'm sorry that would have been the 15th. Yeah, I think I remember you saying. Oh, no, no. I'm sorry. That would have been the 15th.

I flew. 16th. Oh, 16th. Sorry. Yeah. I was looking at October 14th. Interestingly, October 14th. Friday. That was on Bill Maher's television show, though. Not his podcast. Correct. His TV show. It was the new rules at the end kind of thing.

He closed the show with it. It was interesting. He has all I know Bill. Susan, I know Bill. I've known Bill for many years. He is the new rules at the end kind of thing he closed the show with it it was interesting he's as all oh no bill susan i know bill i've known bill for many years he is he is never what's that caleb somebody must have bumped your camera cable oh camera froze can you yeah you can hear me otherwise uh i think it's down on the ground there maybe susan something connecting us can you hear me though in the meantime caleb yes we can hear you okay so we'll just keep talking yeah there's nothing uh nothing changed we were just sitting at our desks here there it is all right i know it's it's uh it's messed up again some there's like it's it's a

loose cable. There you go. Yeah, you're there. No, we're good for a second, and then it goes away. I'd say it's something on the floor, Susan, something you stepped on. Because when you walked over there, it's – Is it going now? No. It's like a –

Okay. Give us a second here, guys. Appreciate you waiting. But let me finish my rant about bill maher as i um was saying is that his logic his uh analysis of things has as long as i've known him been precisely the same i've known him for sheesh 30 years and uh he has always he is part of the rational revolution he has thought very rationally about things, very carefully. We may not agree.

We may not end up at the same place. But it's hard to argue with his argumentation. Susan, something happen in there? Can we come back? Yeah, we're back. There you go. There we are. We're back.

Sorry. Casey Gates says Bill is pandering to the right. No, no, no. Look, it's always been the way he is. I know it sometimes seems like he's going to one has it's always been the way he is i know it sometimes seems like he's going to one side or the other that is just him all right oh he was totally to the left before lexa he's right in the middle now he really is going in both directions i'm going to tell you he he had some uh trump derangement so to speak he really didn't like

trump and so that colored what he was saying for a few years, but I don't know if that was right or left. Alexa, you've got to unmute your mic in the lower left-hand corner. I like what Caleb put up. Tech problems expected. Hi! Thank you so much for making me a speaker. I was not planning on

speaking, but I tuned in when Lori was speaking, and you were talking about eugenics, and she's absolutely right about what's happening in the U.S. where I am as it regards getting married as a disabled person who depends on benefits. And just in that vein, I wanted to bring up in case anybody wasn't aware what's going on in Canada. I have a disability and the medical assistance in dying program is what they're calling it. It's definitely a eugenicist program. They're expanding it. I'm not the expert on the matter by any means, but it's really terrible what's happening in Canada. And I think anybody who's concerned with just health in general should pay attention to what's going on there. It's being kind of marketed as a quote-unquote solution for poverty for disabled people who are living in poverty.

What? Yeah. Assisted suicide is a solution? Oh, my God. I live in the upside down. Just when I think I've heard everything. It's a solution for Oh my God, I live in the upside down. Just when I think I've heard everything, it's a solution for poverty and misery. Wow. That's kind of like the new angle that's being taken. And a lot of the people I talk to on this subject have kind of like a centrist,

like, oh, in some cases. And I don't agree with that at all. I think it's a really bad idea. I think if the majority of us are centrist on this issue, what it does is moves the, sorry, I have a really bad brain damage. What happened to you? Wait a minute. You sound quite with it. What was the brain damage? Sorry. I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. I've had a migraine for a year and three months now. Not multiple migraines. One long. So Ehlers-Danlos is this connective tissue disease where your joints are extremely lax

and move all over the place and can be quite painful. And it can affect connective tissue in the arteries and things like that too. And that's what she's talking about, I with the migraine so okay so uh alexa i appreciate you calling i oh you have an unstable spine too from all this oh yes so with the eds it affects the joints just like you're saying and then it also affects the spine so that's where it's coming from for me but yeah i just if if people are interested in health, just looking into what's going on in Canada and disabled people there

are really under attack. But thank you so much for letting me speak and having this space. Well done, Lexi. Well done. You were quite clear and don't worry about your, you know, not sounding clearly,

clearly clear. But it is the upside down we're living in, folks. The utopia that is Canada, everybody. There you go. Utopia, I tell you. we're living in, folks. The utopia that is Canada, everybody. There you go. Utopia, I tell you. I don't know, man. The more you leave it to small communities, individuals, and practitioners, the more you bureaucratize things, the more pathetic things get.

Logan, I'm putting you up here. You unmute that mic. We're going to wrap up pretty soon. Yeah, Logan, go ahead. First of all, I'm such a huge fan, Dr. Drew, since your Loveland days. You and Adam Carolla, massive. Okay, let's get on. So we're in the midst of the biggest UFO, UAP disclosure in history, right?

We're passing bills in Congress and whatnot. And I just wanted to know, what do you think the mental health effect is going to be on the population, on the religious side side the scientific side you know if it's disclosed aliens are here they've been here for a number of years and so on i don't know uh i will have to give that some thought uh i think it it could maybe that's the problem maybe the aliens are beaming us these thoughts into us they're making us go upside down like this. But I think it could. I don't think it's necessarily obvious how it's going to go.

In other words, it could increase the sense of awe and mystery in the world, in the universe, right? It doesn't have to say, oh, we're in a simulation uh, simulation because aliens are here. It could, it could go the other way, you know? Um, so I don't know. What do you think? I think, um, God, for so many of people like me, it's, it already has like, um, done that. I think, um, for a lot of people, especially on UFO Twitter, it's, uh, we don't really need disclosure so to, because we already know it's here. But it's for the people that are most skeptical-minded that really need the scientific evidence to back up certain claims.

I am one of those skeptics, but I'm open. And it'll be interesting if there really is something kind of wild that they're disclosing. I understand that world. I've seen it. Joe Rogan obviously is fascinated by it and is letting you guys talk about it all the time. And what's his name? Bob. Caleb, help me.

The guy that was supposedly doing research on the cesium. Bob. What is it? No, no. Bob. No, no. George. That's a different. This was the guy that allegedly from Las Vegas and he was swept into the New Mexico thing.

Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar. And the one thing I will say about that that I would take issue with, and maybe this is me to Logan, and you can explain this to me. If this is the most significant finding in the history of the world with the most extraordinary physics ever contemplated by humanity, why do you select

just some guy named Bob off the street in Las Vegas to analyze it? Why Bob? Why Bob? Why didn't you go to Caltech? Why didn't you go to Princeton where they had these could could really dismantle this stuff why Bob and this other guy because I think I think that was a human experiment that they did on Bob where they wanted to look at how perhaps other intelligent sources meaning like other countries, might dismantle our technologies. So they give Bob, who sort of must have met some average physics ability of, say, people in China or something, or of the intelligence agencies in China, and see how they would manage a monumental, impenetrable technological task.

I think it might have been that. Now, you could also look at me and go, oh, you're not going to believe anything. You're going to make an excuse for it. It's cognitive dissonance. Yeah, no, no, I'm really not having cognitive dissonance. I just try to figure out what might that, if it wasn't an alien craft what what else might bob have been exposed to and the main question is why bob why just some guy some guy with a physics background off the street of las vegas and you who might experience some cognitive dissonance might say because they

needed it to be secret and they needed not to expose academia to it yeah but yeah but i'm not sure that's a good argument i'm not sure uh let's see here um when am i getting picked up do you know susan yeah why bob that's my question why bob uh let's see i think pete has been on hold here for quite a while let's see what pete wants to do uh and then i've got a uh hustle out of here susan do i not is that i'm just trying to figure out what time i'm i'm getting picked up do you know i'm not really seeing that yet have i i know you did get your mic on to talk to me i can't quite hear you though i sent all these things to you you're supposed to read them when i sent them to you did but

i didn't see anything about a pickup hey pete hey dr drew yeah man what's up Didn't see anything about a pickup. Hey, Pete. Hey, Dr. Drew. Yeah, man. What's up? I'm with you with getting rid of all this COVID talk, and it's just been so long, and it just needs to be done. It's just crazy. Yeah, I know. I have one question for you how do you feel about over the how do you feel

about over-the-counter like testosterone boosters so um you know i don't have a strong opinion uh i i don't believe young males should be using them right you should be not be needing supplements as a young male if you're an older male and you have lower testosterone you should see a doctor and maybe get some testosterone replacement i am a big fan of that i i just don't believe the, I, you know, there are boosters out there under food, and so they don't go through the same rigor as medication, and God only knows what that might be doing to people. I worry about, really, I worry about the risk of prostate cancer, and we just don't know. So as it pertains, you know, why not go get the real thing if you need it? And let's say you want to monitor that has lots of potential adverse effects associated, including hypertension,

vascular shear forces, and be all things like that. Let me quickly look at what you guys are Here on the restream. Hang on, guys. Pickup is 515. Okay, thank you. What are we doing here? Timcast is up. Tom Cigar, I'm not quite sure where that guy is that you uh yes bc uh bob lazar did go to mit he did not graduate from it again he took some classes at mit and that's exactly my point uh why they choose that guy and when they and i believe at the time this was all going down i think i think einstein was still alive or if not i said you could go talk to a lot of other guys

from that school uh you know that that that same uh vintage they were all around still let's see what you're talking about here i'm sorry he's also still alive i'm i would know he just talks about it listen joe joe brogan did the most fascinating interview with him i was absolutely riveted by the interview don't get me wrong he is fascinating wow yeah it's a fascinating thing and it could end up being something i don't know maybe it's something there i i i'm not i think people think that individuals are going to be afraid of this i don't think fear will necessarily be the reaction. All right, let me just, I'm looking now at the rumble to see what's going on. The CERN creates the chaos. So the accelerator is creating the chaos because we are, we're

splitting things at too high. We're going into too many subatomic particles we're putting wrinkles in the space-time continuum i don't think so but who knows who knows internet stranger says drew is gaslighting us uh what am i gaslighting you about please let me know what does that mean distorting or misleading essentially it's it's a way grossly overused term it was originally a result of a movie that was about a guy who convinced his wife that reality wasn't reality and that she was going crazy essentially um okay maybe we are maybe we are being get yeah what am i distorting what am i gaslighting them about i don't know just agree drew just yes i'm gaslighting somebody i must be so if you say it is so it must be so tom cigars tells us there's some troll on there the other day it's like i'm so sorry you brought that to my attention you might be right oh no i was on a twitter exchange with somebody as i

so maybe you are gaslighting no i no no, no, no, no. I glanced at an article and it was about some of the potential benefits of the vaccine. I thought, good, it looks like it's coming out. Like the vaccine's going to have a little more benefit than we thought. So I retweeted it with a comment, I think. And somebody just attacked me. You're an asshole. You're part of the problem, blah, blah, blah. And he pointed out to me that it was built on a model rather than actual data. And I thought, oh, man, I looked at it again. I said, nope, he's right. And I said, thank you.

You're right. Got it. And then he went, oh, man, I'm sorry. I overreacted. I said, no, on me. That's on me. I should have read it carefully. It's on me.

And that's that. So gaslighting is like just making shit up. No, gaslighting is to make you doubt yourself, essentially. Makes you doubt yourself. To doubt yourself. Making shit up to doubt yourself. Oh, Psychic in a Slow Boat says, I miss their sarcasm. I'm not sure.

Okay. Restream again and we'll wrap this up. I feel like gaslighting is like a millennial word. Gaslight is a 1938 thriller play set in the Victorian era, written by a British novelist and a playwright, Patrick Hamilton. And then it was made into a movie, if I'm correct. Testimony, Ali, tell us about that. The movie was what made the term gaslighting so famous.

What's that, Caleb? Do you have anything to say about the new warning from the FDA that says that people should stop following TikTok and marinating their chicken with NyQuil? Your face says it all. Yes, do not marinate your chicken in NyQuil. I see, doesn't sound like a good idea to me. That's just primarily alcohol, but there's also some other chemicals in there. I don't know what that might do.

That's gotta be carcinogenic if you cook it. I don't know, but I don't know what that might do that's gotta be carcinogenic if you cook it i don't know but i don't know um okay and stanley tells us that the gas lighting was appropriated by ronald rawl doll and his novel the twits i didn't i'm not sure about that this is so gas lighting has a literary and cinematic history i used to drink nyquil and smoke cigarettes yeah nyquil is uh intoxicating people my patients uh i've seen patients get going with that. In terms of not watching TikTok, I don't think that, that seems like a fool's errand to me. I don't think you're going to get people to not watch TikTok. A man wanted to get his wife committed and would do things to make the gaslight flicker,

but tell her they weren't. Oh. So that's the actual mechanism. Oh, to make her doubt herself. Yes think she's crazy yes the gas light was flickering but it but it wasn't but she was was flickering but he told her that it wasn't okay all right guys i think that's it uh here's the the official definition i put up on the screen. Oh, and right as you froze. NyQuil marinated chicken is disgusting and dangerous. It's disgusting and probably, yeah, I just see it now. What's on the screen now is about gaslighting,

which means to manipulate someone by psychological means into questioning their own sanity. Right, right, that's what we've been saying. So I don't know what I was gaslighting. Molten Salt said, if you don't like someone gaslighting,lighting don't watch you tell them they're a liar and never speak with them again okay problem solved gaslighters are narcissistic behavior often go hand in hand that's true narcissists will will do that it's part of manipulation all right guys thank you for being here tomorrow we have a very special show we're bringing um dowd dr kelly's back tomorrow kelly is back to stir things up we have dr we have edward

dowd coming in tomorrow i know he's a source of uh interesting ideas and then we have dr mark mcdonald who wrote a book uh about let me find the name of that book maybe you can find it dr mark mcdonald which was essentially about the uh mass formation psychosis uh let's see book and uh i talked to him once already here it is united states of of Fear, How America Fell Victim to Mass Delusional Psychosis. And he wrote a book about it, and it's doing rather well. And he's a psychiatrist, and he's a smart guy, and he's a reasonable guy, and I like talking to reasonable people. And he and I were talking about this very early on, that there seemed to be some sort

of hysteria that took hold. And now he's thought about it a little more. We have that Belgian psychologist, who I also will talk to soon, who graded the notion of the criteria for mass formation psychosis and what's required for that to develop. And so I think we'll be talking about that on Thursday. That's just he and I.

But tomorrow, Kelly and I will be stirring it up with Edward Dowd. So YouTube is back on the restream at the very end of the show. So something clicked back in. If you have any questions over there really quickly. Isn't that weird? All right.

I will look at the restream for a second. We give those YouTubers one last chance. Okay. I'm looking at you guys. I'm sorry to just be staring at a screen. Well, it takes a minute because they're in a delay. I know. But in the meantime, it's just silence here. And I'm trying to. I'm looking to just be staring at a screen. Well, it takes a minute because they're in a delay. I know, but in the meantime, it's just silence here. I'm looking at the question.

You can see him now. Do you see any questions? Chuck E. Cheese, the movie Gaslight. The husband created a false reality in which he claimed his wife was insane because she had a hereditary condition. He convinced her of a complete alternative reality. Chuck E. Cheese tells us that. Thank you, Kathleen, for thanking us.

I loved all the Twitch today. Twitch, you guys have been very alive. They were busy. Yeah, Billy Clinton, if that's really you. Ed Dowd should be an interesting interview. But again, Kelly knows him and has some interesting ideas about his interesting ideas. I saw Rami Yogen over on Facebook,

but I don't know if it's him or not. It might have been. He needs to come on our Twitter spaces and talk to us. Okay. We miss him. Sandy, doctor, do you take time for mourning or just push through work? Sandy. And what you can't do with mourning is you can't delay it.

You can't defer it. You can't try to can't do with morning is you can't delay it you can't defer it you can't try to extinguish it it happens and when the waves come let them come but keeping busy sometimes is not a bad idea sometimes a pro surfer friend died yesterday too young that's what sandy yeah i saw that i saw the story and i i wondered what that was there's no autopsy out yet so whenever somebody dies suddenly it's such an odd thing that we're seeing so much of now I know it's easy to run to conclusions about covid and vaccines or God knows what but we really don't know yet we just don't know okay that will do that uh thank you all for being here today and we will see you tomorrow we'll be at our usual time tomorrow which is three o'clock Pacific six o'clock Eastern so again later tomorrow three o'clock pacific six o'clock eastern so again later tomorrow three o'clock

pacific six o'clock eastern i always have to think about these time zones we're we're living in you have one more mention here from youtube testimoniali okay um would you can would you please ask ed dow tomorrow about darpa yeah yeah yeah that's what we're talking about don't worry well uh why are munchausen centered by proxy cases so hard to get taken seriously and prosecute um because i think you have to i i don't know the answer that we'd have to ask an attorney that i i think because sometimes people assume good faith when parents are dragging kids in thinking they're sick um the idea of munchausen's by proxy is so bizarre to some people that it's it and by the way sometimes the child is sort of bought into it with the adult or oftentimes they're you know

obviously it's the adults the problem but the child gets into it and so these visits become sort of mutually um supportive it's about the boundary more than the than the munchausen so a long story it's a complicated story uh Not something I have expertise in. Maybe I can ask Mark McDonald about that or you can too. Again, that will be Thursday, 3 o'clock Pacific, 6 o'clock Eastern and we will see you tomorrow. Last comment from Al Bundy. Gaslighting is when you get a

lighter and some beans. Gaslighting. Gaslighting. Thank you, Ed Bundy. Midge, yeah, the adult I don't know if the adult knows, but the adult is in the situation of caretaker, and so it's a violation of that basic privilege slash sacred responsibility. And as such, the adult is responsible.

They may not know what they're doing because it is a deeply psychological process, but they are still responsible, particularly if somebody raises it to them and they reject it. That's when it starts to become, I think you may have to actually have that happen to have a legal issue where people go, Hey, I think there's a problem here. Let's bring you in. Cause at first you would not blame the adult.

You'd go, Hey, there's a problem here between the two of you. We got to take a good look at this psychiatrically. And if the adult runs, it's much like if an alcoholic refuses treatment and then goes out drunk and kills somebody, that's too late now. Now it's the legal system. All right, everybody, thank you so much. We will see you tomorrow at 3 o'clock Pacific. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky. As a reminder, the discussions here are not a substitute for medical care, diagnosis or treatment.

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